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Welcome to Off the Console, the hottest podcast where we talk about gaming, tech news, and
much, much more.

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~ we have

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special guest here.

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Sadly it's Bradley, ~ Valve Leak Extraordinaire and VR person that lives in VR.

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How are you doing?

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I'm great.

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Thanks for having me.

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Thank you.

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Thanks for coming, man.

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And of course we

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have ~ I'm your host, High Tech Low Life, and we have Gardner Bryant and Games Revealed as
our co-hosts for today.

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So how are y'all doing too?

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Doing well.

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Awesome.

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Awesome, awesome.

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Today we're gonna be talking about the steam frame, the biggest news of the week, and then
Tokyo Game Show and some other tech stuff.

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You know how it is.

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I feel like most of our discussion's gonna be the steam frame today.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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But you

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know what that is.

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I don't think it's real.

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Not real.

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Not with that attitude.

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So, ~ we usually start the episodes off by talking about what we've done this week, and
since you're the guest, we'll start with you, Bradley.

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~ yeah.

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~ so I've been working okay, other than like obviously coping off of Steam Frame, like
launching and reading all the reviews and the interesting comments online.

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~ I like to build apps in XR and I've just been continually building that.

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So if I can talk like a little bit about that, ~ I'd love to talk about it.

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So so the one I'll I'll get into this later, but the one thing I love about ~ XR devices
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at once in your space.

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And I've been kinda like diving into that.

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I I've already built an an emulator for Game Boy games, mostly Pokemon right now, but it
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emulator and it actually turns it into an entire ~ mixed reality.

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~ I call it four D, but it's really just like a three D voxelized space.

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And then like if you if if you use ~ like a flash effect in the game, it'll like flash
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has color pass through and everything.

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You earn a badge, like from beating a gym, it'll like ~ specialize sprite will be
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put in your inventory.

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Like it's just like a way to play games differently.

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And that all runs in your space.

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on the headset I'm development before.

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I've been also been building an app where ~ well I I won't talk about this right now, but
I've I've I threw I've three apps basically I'm building.

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And there's another app where ~ you can control your 3D printer if you have one ~ with a
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~ the the the emulator app I've been building a new feature where if you have ever heard
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actually like if you plug in your Game Boy, certain games would like

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automatically print a little cute black and white monochrome prints and you know you just
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But I've built it so you can have a 3D model of the like a recreation of the Game Boy
printer alongside the emulator, place in your space, and then whenever the Game Boy game

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would normally print to the printer, that printer will then also print out a 3D print of
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But it'd be different because it would add depth

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To the monochrome thing so like you kinda like pop out little bit.

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And then you can save that as a 3D model file, and then you can drag that 3D model file to
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You drag that little re like little 3D printed thing to the printer app and then it should
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So you have like the completely I know, it's just like a crazy thing, but I've just been
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I keep building that because I like to

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build stuff that show people like, Yeah, one day when this technology is ~ comfortable,
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So that's just my week still.

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That's awesome.

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That sounds really cool.

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really cool.

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It's a really cool project.

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I saw I saw s some stuff on this and I was really excited.

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I was like, Gotta get that color passed through now on the steam ~ frame.

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that camera too, I think,

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if I'm not mistaken, right?

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The Arctic or something like that?

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Arcter's vision.

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is Color Pasture has been kind of like I'll just say it, it's been very gimmicky so far in
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~ but all the stuff you've seen for Color Pasture is like the same thing that i it's
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this stuff and doing it and like the first wave

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Of VR games were all like mostly wave shooters where you just stand in one place and you
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gamies, which was fine back then for the time because it was just like a new medium.

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It was exciting to do that.

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But you would have like almost like three years in a row of like only games coming out
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most games coming out for the color pasture stuff would just be like, yeah, you look at a
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open and they would come in, which you know, just like VR, that that's fun the first time
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But when every game using that po color pasture is just that same concept, it's not very
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I again that's why I'm excited for Steam Frame, 'cause it's gonna be mostly quite open.

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You'll see a lot more stuff and I have a lot of ideas of how that could be tapped into.

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So Arcturus Vision making this accessory, I would say is super important.

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Some of the AR stuff I've seen with VR headsets ~ reminds me of ~ the AR cards on the 3DS.

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I'm curious to see what the community does with this kind of tech.

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I think we've seen some developments already.

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Apparently someone made a side loading app, which I mean I thought you know, I thought it
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I didn't think we needed a side loading app for the Steam Frame specifically.

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I think it was called a frame drop.

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There it is.

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Yeah, I think I think the idea of that is to like kind of simplify the process.

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Like, yeah, you can load anything

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you want onto it.

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~ I think this app's trying to like simplify it by like having it just pop up in your
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I think ~ all the reviews as well show that the OS and the software around Steam Frame is
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There's so much going on ~ with this product software wise that it's probably even less ~
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That makes sense, yeah.

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Yeah, so I mean well I guess we'll talk more about the steam frame in a little bit, but
Gardner, what have you been doing this week?

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~ This week I was filming like on location for one of my clients.

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So I haven't had like I've I've had no time to do anything else ~ Except I have been ~
like adding puzzles to my daily puzzle game that I just created last week called the

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uppercase and It's like a it's like a trivia word game kind of thing.

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It's a lot of fun and people have really responded to it.

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~ People are like DMing me like their solutions to puzzles and it's been it's been really
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Yeah and the high tech is playing today's puzzle it looks like.

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So if you click hint up there it'll give you an additional hint.

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Or you're probably going to figure it out but yeah.

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So this is between this and doing the season shoot.

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And it has been, I'm exhausted, but like, feel very accomplished.

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So that's what I've been up to.

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What about you, James?

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What have you been up to?

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still working on some creator software, just get some more ~ making it easier to get maybe
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Playing around with that type of stuff.

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It's it's fun.

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~ then also been playing The Blood of Don Walker, I believe is how it's pronounced.

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How the whole thing I always mix it all up, but that is

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is it the blood of Donwalker?

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The Blood of Dawnwalker, I believe, is how it is.

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And it is very fun game.

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It is like Witcher with Vampires.

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I really like it a lot.

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And I like the ~ it's in the the during the plague, Dark Ages.

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It's f it's fun.

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I really I I definitely recommend it for anyone that likes open world.

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~ Assassin's Creed, because you find towers to reveal areas and not everything.

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Definitely recommend it.

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I've been playing it on the Steam Machine.

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Plays great on the Steam Machine.

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A little bit of slowdowns in more intense areas, but for the most part, it does really
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I play it between media ~ medium or high.

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the performance sometimes, but loving it.

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And I've been playing Elden Ring, 'cause ~ fun fact, I have to confess, I it came out at a
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And so I figured I'd start over and start over again and ~ I'm doing pretty good there.

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~ also passed my comp T exam, the first of many.

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Congratulations.

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Thank you, thank you.

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I'm surprised at how easy some of the questions were.

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Like some of them were like, ~ if you wanted to build a gaming PC, what should you put in
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And it's like gaming GPU.

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Hahaha.

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because all the components are too expensive right now.

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Yeah, I just built a DIY steam machine and ~ if I had bought all the parts new it would
have been almost two grand which like I mean the last gaming PC I built two three years

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ago was I it was like four times the specs in most respects and it was like two thousand
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~ we live in an unaffordable economy.

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But before we get started though, if you happen to like our ~ podcast and whatnot, be sure
to like and subscribe to us on YouTube.

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You can check out all of our channels and whatnot on YouTube as well.

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I b I believe you have a channel too, right, Bradley?

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~ yeah, I don't really post on it off often honestly.

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I just go mostly on Twitter.

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That's fair enough.

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That's where we that's where we get

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all of our new all of our like Steam Decker news from anyways.

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I miss the deckard.

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~ boy, don't get me sorry about that one.

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Five years of my

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life.

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Well, on the topic of the decord, let's talk about the steam frame.

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Who here got their who here got on the reservation list?

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Show of hands.

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yeah, and me too gardener, me too.

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We didn't g we didn't get ours either.

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I'm so sad.

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Yeah, I looked up when I got my like, Q, whatever it's not right.

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I don't know which what the words they're using are, but I'm not in their reservation.

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I'm in the waiting list.

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And I got mine at 9am on Friday.

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So I think you got yours later than me high tech, right?

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~ nine AM on Friday.

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I think I got mine like at eight something AM Yeah, eight forty five.

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So you.

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Right.

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That's right.

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So I got mine later than you.

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So I suspect that's like the order in which we're going to be able to actually place our
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I'm going to be after you.

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And I'm heartbroken because I really want the steam frame like really badly.

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I think this was like the one piece of harb well, no, the Steam controller was and then it
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was a Steam Machine last 'cause you and you didn't even get one.

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I didn't get a steam frame, no.

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I mean a machine.

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I did get the

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controller though, it's awesome.

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yeah, controller's awesome.

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well I mean shit man.

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I mean, a steam machine and a steam controller in a timely fashion.

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Yeah, hopefully it won't take very long for the people who weren't lucky to get one.

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I'm not jealous at all.

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I'm really hoping that the time to email is not the same as the queue.

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So I'm hoping that you end up in the queue soon.

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Yeah.

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'cause I was like cheesing out like yes I was cheesing out the day before 'cause everyone
was getting their fucking emails and then like I and then like I didn't get my email when

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everyone else did.

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Like Bob Wolf got his wait list email like yesterday too.

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Dude,

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that's, it's brutal.

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it it's brutal man.

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Let's l let's look at ~ Retro Game Corps managed to get his ~ pretty cool to Yeah, Bob
Wolf.

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That was spelled two Fs.

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Don't tell him that.

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The fucking

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AV bro

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no.

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Dude, everyone's gonna get their Steam Frames so late.

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Except for ~ except for you two of course.

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The people that are blessed.

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Let's just say Valve

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loves us.

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~ I'm I'm I'm just gonna I'm gonna be going to Vegas soon.

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I think my luck's going pretty good 'cause Steam Machina was up pretty high on the list
and now the steam frame, so Steam c let's not talk about the

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steam controller.

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That was a little bit of a debacle.

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Yes, for the the Shallum?

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Alright,

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so for those that don't for those that don't know, James missed his email for the steam
controller.

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And yeah to to buy it.

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It was right at the worst time to get the I was checking it every day, every day, and then
on the weekend it came r

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like I don't know, on the weekend.

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And they forgot.

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Dude, Valve sent me the Steam Controller to review the week I was going on vacation to
Florida.

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So I took it with me ~ and reviewed it while I was on vacation.

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Yeah.

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but getting it from

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Valve themselves is like a vacation of itself.

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Like you are very privileged.

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They gave you a sending off package, so ~

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I'm jealous.

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I wish they would've done that for me, but

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Yeah.

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But

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so the steam frame, though, like, look, this is this is what I'm really curious about.

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Because Valve was saying that this the steam frame was going to be less than the index.

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And like, I'm actually quite

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surprised at these prices.

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And I'm curious what you guys think they would have been without the rampocalypse and the
price of everything going up.

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Because I mean, 1099.

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or I mean, would be, it would be 1100 bucks, right?

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For the one gigabyte, the 256 gigabyte.

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And I'm curious what the starting price would have been.

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While technically, if you take inflation into account, it's still cheaper than the index.

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That is true.

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That is true.

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like, I mean, even this the CPU, right, like the price of that went up too.

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So I'm like, I'm thinking it might have been seven, 700 bucks, 799 maybe.

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I think that's what the estimates are going for.

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What do you think, Bradley?

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I was told ~ months back from a good source that it was originally planned to be seven
ninety nine.

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Yeah.

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Damn, that would have been a good price.

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That would have been a pretty good price, yeah.

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been awesome.

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Yeah, I mean

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the wort the worst thing about this too is that this is one of those ~ this is an SOC, so
the r the memory is on the package.

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Like and you know, Qualcomm also recently jacked up the prices of their ~ processors as
well.

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I think I don't know if we covered that in the podcast or not, but that was I think that

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was like a few months ago at this point now.

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Man, Valve is getting screwed by everyone.

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Holy shit.

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I mean, everybody's getting screwed, but yeah.

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I don't wanna put a little bit more negativity out there, but gas prices are going up,
diesel's going up quite a bit, so shipping getting e this stuff to us

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gonna be might increase the price.

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Yeah.

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That is also true.

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That is also true.

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yeah, let's get what you can get, I guess,

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and hold on.

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Okay, so now the question is are we happy with with the specifications now that we like
know what they are and they're completely solid

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~ well I wish I knew.

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if I had a frame I'd tell ya.

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Okay, fair enough.

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I've I've been told that it's apparently a little stronger than the Quest III, but like I
don't have a Quest III, so I don't know how that performs, truth be told.

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Yeah, I don't either.

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~ yeah, it seems like a good part for me to jump in.

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~ yeah, it's it's a little bit stronger.

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~ the difference as well is the quest re uses so so in the ~ VR sphere, ~ Snapdragon
actually makes XR focused chips for stuff like Quest and Pico and some other headsets.

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~ they are usually the difference between the XR chips and the chip in this is the CPU.

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has less cores.

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the GPU, as you guys said, it just because of how much older, a little bit older that is
from this ~ SOC, it's a little bit weaker.

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But it ~ the reason why they they have those sacrifices is they usually have silicon on
board that can handle like the XR stuff ~ on its own quite better.

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But in this case Valve one wanted something that was ~ if I if I had to speculate ~

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Qualcomm was probably more fine with them taking this older ~ H Gen 3 chip for when they
want to put it all in the kernel, the Linux kernel open source and everything, build all

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the drivers for that.

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And also, they wanted to have all that CPU and GPU to focus on running games first and
foremost, because even though I I always talked about the crazy use cases of VR, Valve is

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a gaming company fourth and foremost.

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And ~ I think it's also

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I I I see you guys have talked about this in the past, but like this is the only SteamOS
running on ARM.

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that is pretty significant in the long term.

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We're not gonna see it right away, I think.

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~ even though some I've seen some like software take advantage of all the work that's was
put into like FEX and everything to allow people to play Steam games on these ARM devices.

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But it's also smart from Val's perspective to use a chip that is

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not XR focused in case they do want to do anything ARM later down the line.

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Cause they're not going to ever put like an XR chip in like who knows what type of form
factor that is not XR if they want to do an ARM device.

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So it makes sense.

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as far as like the power, yeah, I think you've like the even the targets they have for
like the verified program for both flat and VR kind of show that it's like, yeah, it's not

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going to be a huge amazing chip in it, but it'll run a lot of games okay.

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~ it was cool they kind of went into detail of like when they first got what was it like I
want to say like Dark Souls 3 or something running on this thing and that was like a

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magical moment and stuff like that.

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But it's still a mobile chip.

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It still has to run the VR actual the VR environment and all the tracking and stuff.

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So the the lead room for it is it's just okay, sort of if you're a gamer.

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fair enough.

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Now,

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if I recall, they mentioned that it would be running like flat screen games on par with
the Steam Deck.

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And I mean, I'm okay with the Steam Deck as it is.

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I mean th I think we all are, right?

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I am, yeah.

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I am not.

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They need a new Steam Deck.

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It's

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more like I want a new one, but no, the Steam Deck's still great.

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Yeah, ~ I'm excited about the way that Valve is like, mean, the Steam Deck, you've seen
some really cool things that people have done with the Steam Deck.

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And that's what I'm most excited about with the Steam Frame.

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It's an open platform.

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These drivers are open source, right?

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They're going to be part of the kernel.

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Valve is going to be managing them themselves, which is really exciting.

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And so the idea that there's going to be this ~ open hardware.

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That and it's probably that's the first of its kind as far as I understand it right that
has full inside out tracking open source drivers, a Linux operating system that's going to

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open the door to so much cool stuff.

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~ And so yes, this is primarily a gaming focused device, but it's going to be a lot more
than that.

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It's community focused and that's where I'm very excited.

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Yeah, I I made a big deal about this because ~ anyone who knows how Valve works, like they
don't hire people.

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They're a very small company, right?

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So whenever they do hire people, it's kinda like a big deal.

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especially when you find out like why they were hired and what they say publicly or non
publicly about what they're gonna do when they do Valve.

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And it's a pretty positive sort of

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Tone because the last couple people I know that they hired full-time are just gonna be
dedicated entirely on Steam Frame, the Steam Frame platform hardware framework.

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~ so this thing it's going to evolve, I think, quite interesting interesting,
interestingly and quickly ~ as people get it.

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And also Val's

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hiring people to work on it still.

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That's man, great.

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That is pretty cool.

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So

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I do want to talk about the official valve accessories that we have here.

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We have the ~

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can we have the charger, which by the way, it doesn't come with the charger in case you
didn't know, ~ audience.

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it doesn't come with the charger, but it is a 45 watt charger.

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~ same spec as the official Steam ~ Steam Deck charger that it that comes with it.

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we've also got this ergonomic accessory kit and

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Some reviews, like Linus Tech Tips mentioned talked about how this makes it a lot more
comfortable and that it really should be mandatory to buy.

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~

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but you know, people have different shaped heads and whatnot.

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I have a huge head, so like I had to buy a Halo strap from my old Quest II 'cause the
default one straight up didn't fit my head.

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It it was too sm the the the s the default strap was too small.

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Hmm.

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And then we have the steam frame accessory replacement kit.

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I guess these are just the like gaskets in case they like grow mold or some shit.

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Hmm.

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it's also for people that don't want to share too.

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I know a lot of people like having

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multiple f 'cause that's where the sweat will go is these ~ these areas and so they like
to swap them out on the

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index.

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~ yeah.

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I have an index and I love it.

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But the first thing I realized was sharing a facial interface with someone else meant
breaking out in like, just breaking out in pimples, all where the facial gasket touched my

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face.

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And I was like, I can't do that.

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So I ended up buying three different ~ replacement interfaces so that.

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other people could try it.

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And then I ended up being like, I can't, I just can't share my index anymore.

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It makes it kind of skews me out sharing that thing.

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But also, on that note, I can't imagine going from the index where I can open my hands
freely and do whatever to not being able to do that.

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So for me, the comfort, the ergonomic packet.

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is going to be a not like I can't start I can't go without buying that like I have to have
the hand straps at the very least.

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This is where it feels very profit oriented to me.

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if they buy in supply like in in bulk, these aren't very expensive for them to make.

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And like the Steam

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Hardware Power S unit is looks pretty much just like the Steam Deck one.

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So I'm a little this this upsets me a little bit of the w direction they went instead of
packing these in.

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These are I think these are necessities for a thousand dollar device.

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So I'd

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definitely knock it.

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Like if I'm doing a review in the future, I'm knocking it for not including these.

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They're both should be in there.

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~

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The index had the index ha index had a lot of stuff.

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And I don't get me wrong, the index doesn't have a built-in ~ com you know, a built-in
essentially phone or you know, computer in it.

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But it still is very sad to not see these.

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It's very bare bones coming in and then they just

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upsell it.

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So ~

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so they do have third party like controller straps.

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So like in case you don't need the little top head strap, you could just buy one of those

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instead.

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~ Spiegan apparently sells one right here.

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~ which I mean is pretty cool.

427
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I think another thing though that people mentioned was the battery life, because the
battery is in the like back of the strap, right?

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Mm-hmm.

429
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Yeah.

430
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So what I'd like to see like I've I'm pretty sure I've read somewhere, I think it might
have been your Twitter, Bradley, that they like there was supposed to like a

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kit where you could like swap out the batteries, hot swap and stuff like that.

432
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Is that still a thing?

433
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they're they're working on well yeah, so I I do want to first touch on the the straps
thing because you know they're bundling Half Life Alex with this thing.

434
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~ which make I I don't think that's a big deal personally, but what drives me nuts about
they did do it, but

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And so it's it's one of those things where they've made I think they've made their money
with it, but

436
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yeah.

437
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~ but the the thing that I find ironic about it, and it goes too with the straps thing, is
if you've ever played through that game, it is so obviously designed for the index

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controllers and the fact that you can let go of

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the controllers that if people buy this headset, they play the included game, whether
standalone that th they also built for this or from streamed from a PC, there's gonna be

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those moments where you're just like, That's weird, I'm throwing a grenade and

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What what is happening?

442
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Why is it like that?

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It's because

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well it was designed with the index controllers mostly in mind first.

445
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So I I I find that very strange that they didn't include it even for that reason.

446
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But ~ yeah, what was I gonna say before that?

447
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What were we talking about?

448
00:27:28,750 --> 00:27:29,720
Sorry.

449
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Throwing throwing your controller through the wall is pretty much what it sounds like.

450
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Ha

451
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well

452
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well also before the ~ the yeah the enthusiast kit.

453
00:27:37,664 --> 00:27:47,847
Yeah, so they are they did confirm work that they're working on a head strap that will ~
not only have hostloppable batteries, but also have index like speakers.

454
00:27:47,847 --> 00:27:48,478
That was one of my

455
00:27:48,478 --> 00:27:50,518
favorite favorite features

456
00:27:50,518 --> 00:27:51,269
of the index.

457
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:53,790
It had amazing audio.

458
00:27:53,790 --> 00:27:55,030
~

459
00:27:56,011 --> 00:27:56,441
it sounds

460
00:27:56,441 --> 00:28:01,813
like the audio in this is not quite near that level.

461
00:28:01,813 --> 00:28:03,053
So it's like

462
00:28:03,065 --> 00:28:09,283
Another thing that like if people are gonna be using this thing a lot, they're probably
gonna have to buy that too.

463
00:28:09,283 --> 00:28:10,218
Mm-hmm.

464
00:28:10,370 --> 00:28:21,198
and that's gonna be I I I would assume something like that, just because one, if it's hot
swappable, you have to design the entire things to where when you take the back battery

465
00:28:21,198 --> 00:28:25,390
out, you have to have a little battery inside that can still keep the thing powered.

466
00:28:25,390 --> 00:28:28,102
That's what hot swap swappable usually means.

467
00:28:28,102 --> 00:28:32,163
That sounds quite complex of a design, and then you add the speakers.

468
00:28:32,163 --> 00:28:39,384
I imagine whatever accessory this is, it's gonna be at least two hundred dollars that
you're gonna have to add on top of this headset.

469
00:28:39,384 --> 00:28:40,885
yeah.

470
00:28:40,886 --> 00:28:42,417
Yeah, totally.

471
00:28:42,417 --> 00:28:42,696
~

472
00:28:42,696 --> 00:28:42,936
will

473
00:28:42,936 --> 00:28:48,722
say, I do like the idea that additional accessories and additional support comes in the
future.

474
00:28:48,722 --> 00:28:53,185
I mean, obviously, we'd all wish that this to be an all-in-one, have everything, all the
bells and whistles.

475
00:28:53,185 --> 00:28:57,780
I'm actually okay with like the over-the-head ~ earphone.

476
00:28:57,780 --> 00:28:59,341
like as long as they didn't sell it at the same time.

477
00:28:59,341 --> 00:29:08,309
If they would have put that out there, hey, you could also get the ~ better speakers or
you know, headphones almost the better like the hot swappable, that yeah, that's gonna get

478
00:29:08,309 --> 00:29:08,969
a pricier.

479
00:29:08,969 --> 00:29:09,632
I would be okay.

480
00:29:09,632 --> 00:29:11,795
Like I'd be more upset if they were selling it at the same time.

481
00:29:11,795 --> 00:29:14,599
If they need more time for the the bake, sure.

482
00:29:14,599 --> 00:29:22,491
And if it's s makes the the headset itself last longer and they can you can maybe come out
in a year and they'll have ~ more accessories, I'm all down

483
00:29:22,491 --> 00:29:23,072
for that.

484
00:29:23,072 --> 00:29:23,865
So

485
00:29:23,865 --> 00:29:24,693
Hmm.

486
00:29:24,759 --> 00:29:33,175
So, I will say, ~ so it does have a p if I'm not mistaken, the little interface like under
your nose, that's supposed to be PCIe based, right?

487
00:29:33,296 --> 00:29:40,241
So I am curious as to what that what they could add, besides, you know, this camera that
we talked about earlier.

488
00:29:40,738 --> 00:29:43,841
I mean, they could add anything if it's PCIe based, right?

489
00:29:43,841 --> 00:29:47,064
Like, the sky's the limit, basically.

490
00:29:47,872 --> 00:29:49,293
Now what would you like to see?

491
00:29:49,293 --> 00:29:54,369
~ I can't I can't input 'cause I have no idea what would be cool for VR, but Bradley,
let's start with you.

492
00:29:54,369 --> 00:29:57,312
What do you think would be cool as like a PCIe accessory?

493
00:29:58,692 --> 00:30:01,140
it's kind of interesting.

494
00:30:01,140 --> 00:30:09,829
I I guess so obviously they have the camera coming out, which I I have a strong opinion
that actually should have been built into.

495
00:30:09,829 --> 00:30:10,609
Not not even

496
00:30:10,609 --> 00:30:18,555
I know I know it's cool that it's like you know an accessory or whatever, but even the
valve index had color paster, even if it wasn't the it was far from the best.

497
00:30:18,555 --> 00:30:20,746
~ and yeah,

498
00:30:20,746 --> 00:30:22,273
it was not very good, but you know.

499
00:30:22,273 --> 00:30:29,036
Having it in is what kind of keeps people interested and wanting to do it and adding it, ~
developing for it.

500
00:30:29,036 --> 00:30:35,539
But you'll probably see the what the first thing after the color pass through, you'll see
people build a face tracker.

501
00:30:35,539 --> 00:30:43,082
So the eye the the headset has eye tracking, obviously, for the phobia streaming, some
phobia rendering and certain things.

502
00:30:44,052 --> 00:30:50,175
and also use you can use it for social use cases, like people who do VR chat, they like
to.

503
00:30:50,231 --> 00:30:57,466
When you move your eyes around or you blink or whatever, you can recreate that in like an
avatar like like you have high tech, like completely.

504
00:30:57,466 --> 00:30:58,847
They like to do that in VR.

505
00:30:58,847 --> 00:31:06,833
And you'll probably see a face tracker that ~ not only just allows you to since you
already have the eye up here, you'll be able to track your mouth, tongue, cheeks, whatever

506
00:31:06,833 --> 00:31:07,813
when you

507
00:31:07,853 --> 00:31:08,834
do stuff in VR.

508
00:31:08,834 --> 00:31:10,281
That'll probably be the first thing.

509
00:31:10,281 --> 00:31:13,527
~ I also here was an here's an interesting thing.

510
00:31:13,527 --> 00:31:17,380
I I watch all sides of the VR sector, not just consumer.

511
00:31:18,763 --> 00:31:27,716
I s I watch industrial and sometimes military and there's a lot of interest in this device
even from those sectors because of the openness or whatever.

512
00:31:27,716 --> 00:31:37,100
You know, I it's weird to talk about, but you you you've seen probably seen pictures of
people using Steam Deck in Ukraine for like controlling drones and everything.

513
00:31:37,220 --> 00:31:40,211
Well, you're probably gonna see some of that for this too.

514
00:31:40,211 --> 00:31:47,308
And like I've seen ~ some of the military sectors say, we can like put can we can put like
thermal cameras on this thing and like

515
00:31:47,308 --> 00:31:49,323
you know, trained for that and all that stuff.

516
00:31:49,323 --> 00:31:55,097
So I think you'll mostly see cameras be placed in that port if

517
00:31:55,097 --> 00:31:57,355
it's not a face tracker is my prediction.

518
00:31:57,355 --> 00:31:59,113
Yeah, I mean the infrared.

519
00:31:59,113 --> 00:32:03,801
the sub all are you saying all the supply is going to the military now for the that's

520
00:32:03,801 --> 00:32:05,374
w that's why we didn't get the steam frame?

521
00:32:05,374 --> 00:32:06,154
No

522
00:32:06,220 --> 00:32:06,811
it's very

523
00:32:06,811 --> 00:32:07,352
possible.

524
00:32:07,352 --> 00:32:12,952
I honestly I I do think like you will have yeah, I

525
00:32:13,049 --> 00:32:14,030
so

526
00:32:14,167 --> 00:32:15,318
Yeah, I mean

527
00:32:15,318 --> 00:32:28,369
that got me thinking too where like I've seen the Steam Deck being used to control like ~
Mars rovers like locally, know, when they're debugging them and stuff on Earth.

528
00:32:28,369 --> 00:32:37,296
And I've also seen them, Steam Decks be used to like control autonomous droid robots at
Disney World, right?

529
00:32:37,317 --> 00:32:38,728
So the application

530
00:32:38,728 --> 00:32:42,677
for consumer hardware now,

531
00:32:42,777 --> 00:32:56,164
~ is so broad and especially when it's open and you can put whatever software you want on
it Valve isn't I mean they're targeting gamers but like this stuff could be used anywhere

532
00:32:56,164 --> 00:32:57,776
for any application

533
00:32:58,026 --> 00:33:03,521
Let me tell you, yeah, you you almost yeah, there's one thing you might not know unless
you're like really deep in the VR thing.

534
00:33:04,463 --> 00:33:13,051
One of the biggest use cases for VR headsets that it's not consumer is training humanoid
robots.

535
00:33:13,051 --> 00:33:13,662
If you've ever seen

536
00:33:13,662 --> 00:33:20,776
like videos on Twitter, like the whole humanoid where you maybe there there's a humanoid
robot like giving drinks at a bar or whatever,

537
00:33:20,776 --> 00:33:22,195
a lot of them

538
00:33:22,195 --> 00:33:30,171
Are either being teleoperated by someone wearing a VR headset with controllers because
one, you can see what the robot sees, you can control the hands with the controllers or

539
00:33:30,171 --> 00:33:31,643
the hand tracking if it has it.

540
00:33:31,643 --> 00:33:34,665
~ huge applications for that.

541
00:33:34,826 --> 00:33:45,345
And they also, when I mean training, they also literally this this is where we get in the
weird dystopian things because I I had I posted a picture on my ex like a week ago of a

542
00:33:45,345 --> 00:33:50,719
factory in China who had a whole table of people wearing ~

543
00:33:50,719 --> 00:33:59,182
VR headsets and using hand tracking, no no controllers, to constantly build the same
object and unbuild it many, many times.

544
00:33:59,182 --> 00:34:02,983
And it wasn't that they were learning how to build the item with the headset.

545
00:34:02,983 --> 00:34:09,645
They were pur purely using that data to train actual robots to b basically replace them in
the future.

546
00:34:09,645 --> 00:34:10,665
So

547
00:34:10,705 --> 00:34:12,656
that is a huge thing that you see with VR

548
00:34:12,656 --> 00:34:14,146
headsets right now.

549
00:34:15,684 --> 00:34:16,442
Ugh.

550
00:34:16,526 --> 00:34:23,384
Well, I think if the government wants to make use of these steam frames, they should
subsidize it for us a little bit, you know what I'm saying?

551
00:34:23,700 --> 00:34:24,690
Ha ha.

552
00:34:24,753 --> 00:34:26,968
you know, speaking of dystopian.

553
00:34:27,183 --> 00:34:33,716
I've heard a bunch of people excitedly talk about how like the foveated rendering is
imperceptible.

554
00:34:33,716 --> 00:34:43,191
Like they quickly dart their eyes left and right to try and like catch the foveated
renderings or foveated streaming, like, you know, catch any percent.

555
00:34:43,191 --> 00:34:46,352
And I'm sitting here like, yeah, that's cool.

556
00:34:46,472 --> 00:34:49,764
But also absolutely terrifying, right?

557
00:34:49,764 --> 00:34:53,743
Like, I mean, just I'm thinking like clockwork orange shit, right?

558
00:34:53,743 --> 00:34:54,316
I don't know.

559
00:34:54,316 --> 00:34:56,057
I it's cool.

560
00:34:56,057 --> 00:34:56,817
Don't get me wrong.

561
00:34:56,817 --> 00:35:00,081
I'm not criticizing it, but also like yikes.

562
00:35:01,933 --> 00:35:04,730
Yeah, it it's it's ~ go ahead.

563
00:35:04,730 --> 00:35:13,644
No, I was gonna say imagine a game that does that, but like instead of phovated rendering
it's foveated like you can't see like they're like slightly out of your like view like

564
00:35:13,644 --> 00:35:14,535
area.

565
00:35:14,866 --> 00:35:20,692
Yeah, like a horror game that's like flashing disturbing images in your periphery all the
time.

566
00:35:20,692 --> 00:35:21,374
You know what I'm saying?

567
00:35:21,374 --> 00:35:24,050
Like there's just crazy applications for that.

568
00:35:24,081 --> 00:35:24,871
Mm.

569
00:35:25,121 --> 00:35:27,021
If you want to go down a deeper rabbit hole,

570
00:35:27,021 --> 00:35:27,999
~

571
00:35:28,249 --> 00:35:32,573
So I use eye tracking in this headset for input a lot.

572
00:35:32,573 --> 00:35:34,738
And it's very interesting because

573
00:35:34,988 --> 00:35:43,401
When you do something like that, because the eyes are like the first, I guess, signal to
your brain that we really re receive, right?

574
00:35:43,401 --> 00:35:54,246
And when you when you to accurately do the ability to look at what you're pointing at,
whether it be super precise or whatever, and then also click, it's a very difficult thing

575
00:35:54,246 --> 00:35:54,516
to do.

576
00:35:54,516 --> 00:36:04,710
And I remember reading ~ this whole kind of someone who developed the Vision Pro in that
whole system talked about how one of the things that they were able to

577
00:36:05,055 --> 00:36:16,934
improve the accuracy of that whole input system was right before that they wanted to click
something, their eyes would kind of dilate just a little bit because their brain knew that

578
00:36:16,934 --> 00:36:17,680
is what I wanted.

579
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,016
I wanted that.

580
00:36:19,036 --> 00:36:25,811
So when we talk about eye tracking, it's actually kind of the first steps to something
crazier called

581
00:36:25,811 --> 00:36:27,683
brain computer interfaces.

582
00:36:27,683 --> 00:36:34,560
Because at that point, if you're able to just track the dilation, the the excitement level
or something just from the eyes,

583
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:41,720
You're basically already giving a pathway directly to your brain without even controlling
stuff or pressing stuff on a keyboard.

584
00:36:41,720 --> 00:36:47,060
~ even Valve's done a lot of experiments in the past with brain computer interfaces.

585
00:36:47,060 --> 00:36:47,541
they have a whole

586
00:36:47,541 --> 00:36:57,339
patent I love to bring up of like early 2010s where they were exploring the usage of brain
like not not like drill in your brain or anything, but have like a little bit of suite of

587
00:36:57,339 --> 00:37:00,602
sensors, something like Apple Watch on your head or whatever, where

588
00:37:00,602 --> 00:37:03,784
they could they can calculate your.

589
00:37:04,064 --> 00:37:09,047
your l your your fear level, they can calculate your attentiveness level, they can
calculate all these things.

590
00:37:09,047 --> 00:37:16,991
~ and like they're given examples where they can adjust game difficulty if they felt that
you're were if they could sense that you're mentally overloaded.

591
00:37:16,991 --> 00:37:26,718
So it is scary, but it's also like eye tracking is if you're a privacy first or privacy
oriented companies, which there's not a lot, unfortunately, in XR,

592
00:37:26,718 --> 00:37:27,569
Yeah.

593
00:37:28,238 --> 00:37:32,780
it's like a very huge value add for this technology that like is basically

594
00:37:32,780 --> 00:37:36,680
first steps to ~ this crazy stuff I'm talking about.

595
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:37,234
So

596
00:37:37,234 --> 00:37:45,618
I remember like when I was reading something about the original steam controller when they
were developing that they thought about adding like a heart rate sensor to it and they

597
00:37:45,618 --> 00:37:56,743
were going to use it for like and the the first application they tried with it was
adjusting the difficulty of Left 4 Dead 2 and yeah, it's like they've been thinking about

598
00:37:56,743 --> 00:38:06,258
this for years and Valve is like one of the only companies where I'm like even remotely
okay with this level of intimate data, right?

599
00:38:06,258 --> 00:38:07,028
But ~

600
00:38:07,028 --> 00:38:07,980
Yeah, it is.

601
00:38:07,980 --> 00:38:12,566
It's kind of scary in in certain other people's hands, I would say.

602
00:38:12,566 --> 00:38:14,116
~

603
00:38:14,116 --> 00:38:17,290
think your health insurance really wants to know what that information is.

604
00:38:17,290 --> 00:38:18,139
They wanna know

605
00:38:18,139 --> 00:38:18,560
for sure.

606
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,330
And I mean

607
00:38:20,351 --> 00:38:27,685
on the topic on that front, V I mean Valve has proven demonstrably that they don't wanna
deal with like sensitive data.

608
00:38:27,685 --> 00:38:32,437
That's why they wanna that's why in like Europe and all those other countries that they've
introduced

609
00:38:32,437 --> 00:38:34,588
age verification stuff, they just

610
00:38:34,588 --> 00:38:38,280
kind of like assume you're an adult if you have a credit card, right?

611
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:39,494
I mean like they l

612
00:38:39,494 --> 00:38:43,485
they f they pawn off the they pawn all the information off on like a

613
00:38:43,583 --> 00:38:52,842
credit card on like a financial institution which is probably a little safer than like I
don't know whatever whatever it is that's with Palantir was it persona or whatever?

614
00:38:52,842 --> 00:38:53,696
Mm-hmm.

615
00:38:53,768 --> 00:38:54,709
Yeah.

616
00:38:54,849 --> 00:38:55,469
I don't know man.

617
00:38:55,469 --> 00:39:05,378
But there's also the quest three which is six hundred dollars and I a lot of people are
saying why not just buy a quest three and like yeah if you but you have to remember you're

618
00:39:05,378 --> 00:39:06,915
selling your soul to Facebook.

619
00:39:07,316 --> 00:39:13,829
Yeah, literally, literally the data we were just talking about, but going directly to
Facebook servers.

620
00:39:14,342 --> 00:39:14,853
I

621
00:39:14,853 --> 00:39:17,445
yeah, Meta is I I just can't.

622
00:39:17,445 --> 00:39:24,866
I I I I'm so close last year ~ I was gonna get one actually for Christmas for the family,
and then Valve announced it.

623
00:39:24,866 --> 00:39:26,152
I was like, okay, well, okay.

624
00:39:26,152 --> 00:39:27,532
I can hold off a little longer.

625
00:39:27,532 --> 00:39:38,172
'Cause I there's a reason I still have my Valve or my Steam my Valve index is that it's
doesn't feel like I'm selling a part of me to a company.

626
00:39:38,332 --> 00:39:38,662
Like

627
00:39:38,662 --> 00:39:40,414
Meta feels very much like that.

628
00:39:40,414 --> 00:39:42,055
And I d I really just

629
00:39:42,353 --> 00:39:50,555
As an engineer, I really don't like a lot of their practices, but both engineering and
also from a privacy standpoint.

630
00:39:51,305 --> 00:39:51,669
So

631
00:39:51,669 --> 00:40:05,181
know, before we move on, I'm kind of curious, like, how cool would it be now that the
Snapdragon CPU is going to have open source drivers to see, like, laptops coming out

632
00:40:05,181 --> 00:40:08,824
running Linux that have that CPU in there?

633
00:40:08,824 --> 00:40:11,186
Like, I don't know if there are any right now.

634
00:40:11,186 --> 00:40:13,887
I haven't, I just was, that just kind of dawned on me.

635
00:40:14,137 --> 00:40:16,410
Well, I'm sure there will be now.

636
00:40:16,410 --> 00:40:17,163
Mm.

637
00:40:17,163 --> 00:40:22,041
But I mean, the only Snapdragon laptops I can really think of are like the Microsoft ones.

638
00:40:22,041 --> 00:40:22,863
Yeah.

639
00:40:23,422 --> 00:40:23,912
I actually

640
00:40:23,912 --> 00:40:25,203
bought so this is crazy.

641
00:40:25,203 --> 00:40:32,267
I ~ when I found out that the Steam frame was going to have this ship around two years
ago, I found a laptop that has this.

642
00:40:32,267 --> 00:40:32,917
~

643
00:40:32,917 --> 00:40:36,549
it's like an old Lenovo workstation type thing.

644
00:40:36,649 --> 00:40:46,195
So I have one that could actually literally right now I can load all the valve drivers and
everything and see how it games now and probably get a pretty good idea.

645
00:40:46,195 --> 00:40:47,965
So there are stuff out there even already.

646
00:40:47,965 --> 00:40:50,925
~ they just had they were terrible for gaming because you know.

647
00:40:50,925 --> 00:40:51,444
Yeah.

648
00:40:51,444 --> 00:40:55,880
They were not focused on that, but you could now load up all the stuff.

649
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:55,960
it.

650
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:57,391
I wanna see what happens.

651
00:40:58,032 --> 00:40:58,222
You

652
00:40:58,222 --> 00:41:09,660
know, speaking of gaming though, Steam Deck two, the real creme de la creme of Valves ~
hardware, I think the the biggest breakout success I would say, right?

653
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,322
Like by far.

654
00:41:11,322 --> 00:41:12,178
Yeah.

655
00:41:12,428 --> 00:41:13,830
They're still working on it.

656
00:41:13,991 --> 00:41:22,573
And they said that the Rampocalypse hasn't affected their plans for the Steam Deck too,
which probably means it's not gonna be for a while, truth be told.

657
00:41:22,573 --> 00:41:23,388
Yeah.

658
00:41:24,166 --> 00:41:30,166
Or it's gonna launch the same price that they increased all the ~ theme deck prices at,
right?

659
00:41:31,410 --> 00:41:33,691
Don't do that to me.

660
00:41:34,617 --> 00:41:35,232
Ugh.

661
00:41:35,232 --> 00:41:41,774
think a lar I feel like a large part of the Steam Deck success has to do with the fact
that it was like four hundred dollars starting.

662
00:41:41,874 --> 00:41:52,039
Whereas like back in the day, I mean we talked about this with the Fox, but like back in
the day, like the I the Aya Neo one was like s eight hundred, nine hundred to a thousand

663
00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:54,740
dollars, and it was like half as fast.

664
00:41:54,740 --> 00:41:55,860
So like

665
00:41:56,110 --> 00:42:01,442
I really think Valve should can s figure out a way to get it down to four hundred again,
if possible.

666
00:42:01,442 --> 00:42:02,844
Or, you know, g make it five hundred.

667
00:42:02,844 --> 00:42:05,749
Make it start like five hundred the OLED starting price.

668
00:42:05,999 --> 00:42:07,009
You want to hear a hot take?

669
00:42:07,009 --> 00:42:12,010
Because I I actually work in ~ hardware as my full-time job and like supply chain stuff.

670
00:42:12,951 --> 00:42:22,102
I think actually if you're if you're in the rampokalypse right now and you're a company
like Valve, you actually I don't want to say you wanna rush into Steam Deck too, but you

671
00:42:22,102 --> 00:42:33,846
are actually more incentivized to do this than the opposite because you released Steam
frame that uses what LP ~ LPR D D R5X, right?

672
00:42:34,308 --> 00:42:37,359
the next Steam Deck will probably also use the same memory type.

673
00:42:37,359 --> 00:42:42,872
And if you're a company who is low volume hardware in the grand scheme of things, RAM
companies don't want to look at you.

674
00:42:42,872 --> 00:42:44,652
They don't want to offer you better deals.

675
00:42:44,652 --> 00:42:51,675
But if you have multitude of products that are all using the same RAM type, then you're a
little bit more serious in the eyes of these people.

676
00:42:51,675 --> 00:42:52,595
So

677
00:42:52,796 --> 00:42:58,718
I actually feel during a RAM popular situation, you're having trouble grabbing all these
types of RAM.

678
00:42:59,238 --> 00:43:03,460
You want you want to diversify and have this all this

679
00:43:04,066 --> 00:43:05,148
volumes up better.

680
00:43:05,148 --> 00:43:08,663
So yeah, even if it'll be expensive still.

681
00:43:08,664 --> 00:43:09,325
I agree

682
00:43:09,325 --> 00:43:23,656
~ the they're still waiting on like a generational leap in performance though and Like
when I hear that nowadays, I'm like ten years, know I'm saying like I look at like the

683
00:43:23,656 --> 00:43:33,474
jump between PlayStation 4 and PlayStation 5 in terms of just graphics as Negligible
almost indistinguishable like for me.

684
00:43:33,474 --> 00:43:34,805
I mean I grew up

685
00:43:34,887 --> 00:43:36,718
in the early 90s, right?

686
00:43:36,718 --> 00:43:37,748
Like I was born in 88.

687
00:43:37,748 --> 00:43:45,561
So I'm like looking at Nintendo to NES or SNES or, you know, SNES to N64.

688
00:43:45,561 --> 00:43:51,864
So when I hear generational leap, I'm Xbox to, you know, 360.

689
00:43:51,864 --> 00:43:55,265
That's that's probably not what they mean when they say that.

690
00:43:55,265 --> 00:44:02,508
But like, I just don't see consumer hardware going that direction now.

691
00:44:02,748 --> 00:44:04,209
Does that make any sense?

692
00:44:04,340 --> 00:44:09,022
Yeah, I don't think we'll ever see a jump as big as Xbox to Xbox three sixty or like PS

693
00:44:09,022 --> 00:44:10,886
two to PS three ever again.

694
00:44:11,123 --> 00:44:12,313
No, I don't either.

695
00:44:12,313 --> 00:44:12,994
not

696
00:44:12,994 --> 00:44:23,623
kinda how it works in the in the sense of like we had very big jumps through the decades,
but it's going you're you're hitting these finite limits where it's gonna get s smaller

697
00:44:23,623 --> 00:44:24,234
and smaller.

698
00:44:24,234 --> 00:44:28,438
I know people don't like to see that, it's just that's how it is.

699
00:44:28,438 --> 00:44:33,482
Is we we we don't have ~ Moore's Law anymore kind of thing, I don't think.

700
00:44:33,482 --> 00:44:36,455
And so at least not the same way, at least graphically.

701
00:44:36,455 --> 00:44:37,862
But there's

702
00:44:37,862 --> 00:44:42,593
Still some pretty good improvements that can come from like a Steam Deck too if they wait
long enough.

703
00:44:42,593 --> 00:44:50,795
~ where you'd see pretty big improvements, but you're not gonna get Xbox Xbox three sixty.

704
00:44:51,156 --> 00:44:53,692
maybe if they do wait until like two thousand thirty though.

705
00:44:53,692 --> 00:44:55,837
If they wait another four more years,

706
00:44:55,837 --> 00:45:04,469
you'll probably see a pretty good big jump because already from the Steam Deck to the
Legion Go to, it's pretty big actually.

707
00:45:04,469 --> 00:45:07,710
I can play all the games that I wanna play on there, fine.

708
00:45:07,710 --> 00:45:09,351
Where with the Steam Deck, it will

709
00:45:09,351 --> 00:45:17,846
struggle with some of them if or if not play not play them, unless you use like a lot some
type of frame gen ~ add on for it.

710
00:45:17,846 --> 00:45:20,047
So yeah, I yeah.

711
00:45:20,842 --> 00:45:26,185
I feel like frame gen's just gonna be the standard in PS six and above, truth be told.

712
00:45:26,185 --> 00:45:27,545
I I don't like the idea.

713
00:45:27,545 --> 00:45:34,629
I don't like the idea of that, but it seems like that's just gonna be what's the standard
for like future like games.

714
00:45:35,710 --> 00:45:43,794
That said, I if I'm not mistaken, some of the rumors suggested twenty twenty eight, for
the Steam Deck too.

715
00:45:43,794 --> 00:45:48,338
I don't know if you guys still I it sounds reasonable, what's that like?

716
00:45:48,338 --> 00:45:49,574
Six years?

717
00:45:51,029 --> 00:45:53,115
Seems pretty reasonable, I feel.

718
00:45:53,115 --> 00:45:54,786
years from the original Steam Dex release.

719
00:45:54,786 --> 00:46:04,192
~ the big question of course is the price, and I'm really hoping So let's just say this
rampse collapses today.

720
00:46:04,192 --> 00:46:07,414
Let's just say AI bubble pops today.

721
00:46:07,654 --> 00:46:10,896
Do you see Valve ever reducing the price of everything?

722
00:46:11,146 --> 00:46:15,016
I think a little bit at max, but not to where it was.

723
00:46:15,219 --> 00:46:17,050
Yeah, probably not to where it was, but I agree.

724
00:46:17,050 --> 00:46:31,651
Yeah, it's like, I think they're incentivized to reduce prices, but probably not for the
Steam Deck because that's, I think that there are other, like other pieces of hardware

725
00:46:31,651 --> 00:46:37,966
that, I don't know, but Valve also stands to make a ton of money from software sales after
the fact, right?

726
00:46:37,966 --> 00:46:42,199
So maybe for the Steam, for the Deck as well, yeah.

727
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:53,103
I don't understand their I I I think they need to get some more analysts and ~ some better
analysts, not like the big company analysts for on making profit because they could be

728
00:46:53,103 --> 00:47:03,776
doing a little bit more of hitting their mar ~ like lower margins on their hardware and
and picking it up in in the software, in my opinion.

729
00:47:03,776 --> 00:47:09,513
I think th I definitely I feel like looking at the the prices and everything, they're
definitely shooting for

730
00:47:09,513 --> 00:47:11,314
having profit, which is fine, which is fine.

731
00:47:11,314 --> 00:47:15,137
But they also they're like the most profitable company in the world.

732
00:47:15,137 --> 00:47:24,995
So I I I from a consumer side it would be nice gesture to make it a little bit lower, but
they are supply constrained from Steam Deck to everything.

733
00:47:24,995 --> 00:47:26,226
They are supply constrained.

734
00:47:26,226 --> 00:47:34,502
That's and so when you're supply constrained, ~ how it all works in the business world is
then the price has to go up, right?

735
00:47:34,763 --> 00:47:35,723
Yeah.

736
00:47:36,987 --> 00:47:42,820
I'd like them to hire more people, more full time people, because I don't I don't know,
you guys have been covering Steam Deck stuff for a while.

737
00:47:42,820 --> 00:47:44,681
And I've been covering the VR side.

738
00:47:44,681 --> 00:47:53,336
You probably guys have noticed that when they're working on the VR thing, the updates for
Steam Deck are like it was very similar for

739
00:47:53,336 --> 00:48:02,521
on my end when they're working on the Steam Deck, the VR updates go like I would like to
have both sides just like level out constantly.

740
00:48:02,541 --> 00:48:06,226
That's what drives me nuts about Val more than anything, honestly, is that.

741
00:48:06,226 --> 00:48:08,968
And it was and yeah.

742
00:48:08,968 --> 00:48:14,712
Well, it's the same thing with like, if they're working on Dota, they stopped working on
TF2.

743
00:48:14,712 --> 00:48:16,313
Like that's just Valve.

744
00:48:16,313 --> 00:48:19,435
And I think you're you're absolutely right, though.

745
00:48:19,435 --> 00:48:24,879
It would be great if the company had dedicated teams working on

746
00:48:25,243 --> 00:48:28,349
all ventures, all avenues of the company.

747
00:48:28,349 --> 00:48:35,682
And I don't know if that culture or the momentum of the culture of the company can change
that significantly.

748
00:48:36,496 --> 00:48:40,369
They have to find a way to evolve or else they will kill themselves.

749
00:48:40,369 --> 00:48:43,271
Like as a company, they will eventually fatigue out.

750
00:48:43,271 --> 00:48:45,543
They're passion driven, which is good.

751
00:48:45,543 --> 00:48:48,515
It's but they're one of last companies to be passion driven.

752
00:48:48,515 --> 00:48:57,141
But with the way that they work is that teams, you have to essentially coerce someone to
come onto your team to work on your project.

753
00:48:57,141 --> 00:48:58,312
If you want, let's say Half-Life 3.

754
00:48:58,312 --> 00:49:03,946
That's why Half-Life 3 has had so many struggles that people don't want to create a
Half-Life 3 that bombs.

755
00:49:04,315 --> 00:49:06,146
I'm sure Gabin's gonna lynch them or something.

756
00:49:06,146 --> 00:49:06,817
I who knows.

757
00:49:06,817 --> 00:49:10,379
But I they got they gotta figure this out.

758
00:49:10,379 --> 00:49:23,128
They gotta get someone in that's an ~ like a more ethical person that aligns with their
values as like team building and how to build out studios and groups better.

759
00:49:23,128 --> 00:49:28,491
They they just got to two to to figure this out because then they could do a lot more.

760
00:49:28,491 --> 00:49:33,254
Because like like you guys have mentioned, like once they start working on one thing.

761
00:49:33,254 --> 00:49:34,996
Other things suffer, that's not good.

762
00:49:34,996 --> 00:49:37,588
That will eventually corrupt the company, anyways.

763
00:49:37,588 --> 00:49:42,902
As they keep on wanting to build more and more, it they're gonna have to figure that out.

764
00:49:42,902 --> 00:49:46,746
I will say though, they've been working on VR nonstop.

765
00:49:46,746 --> 00:49:55,453
I because I used to live in Redmond and I'd drive I'd go to We work at the same office
that Valve was, and I could always just see them.

766
00:49:55,453 --> 00:49:59,366
You could see little silhouettes using the VR, you could see the little VRs up in the
windows.

767
00:49:59,366 --> 00:50:00,077
It was really cool.

768
00:50:00,077 --> 00:50:01,638
I was like, man, they've been.

769
00:50:02,174 --> 00:50:04,806
They've been pushing for a VR for so long.

770
00:50:06,739 --> 00:50:07,458
Yeah.

771
00:50:07,458 --> 00:50:08,949
~ man, it's it's

772
00:50:08,949 --> 00:50:10,159
been one heck of a time though.

773
00:50:10,159 --> 00:50:14,441
~ Valve Harbor, I've got I've almost got all.

774
00:50:14,441 --> 00:50:17,202
Except for the frame and I mean

775
00:50:17,462 --> 00:50:18,233
shoot, I don't know.

776
00:50:18,233 --> 00:50:25,846
I don't hopefully I don't forget hopefully Valve constantly reminds us of our emails,
otherwise we're gonna we're gonna forget about it and like lose our place in the wait

777
00:50:25,846 --> 00:50:26,666
list.

778
00:50:26,697 --> 00:50:27,371
haha

779
00:50:27,371 --> 00:50:28,622
I I I

780
00:50:28,622 --> 00:50:36,237
do wanna I wanna harp on this just a little bit more because ~ I think it kinda goes back
to what we were talking about the price and like the reactions to it and people comparing

781
00:50:36,237 --> 00:50:47,195
it to Quest three, because in reality the I mean, yeah, we talked about the chip being
stronger, but the displays, the optics, all that stuff are very comparable to Quest Three,

782
00:50:47,195 --> 00:50:49,686
which is like a three year old product and

783
00:50:50,304 --> 00:50:51,415
You can kind of do that.

784
00:50:51,415 --> 00:50:56,416
~ I I think you're better off doing something like that in like the handheld space, the
console space.

785
00:50:56,416 --> 00:51:03,383
Like you can get away with that more, I just feel, because of how long the stretches of
technology and upgrades in those spaces are.

786
00:51:03,383 --> 00:51:10,718
But I can tell you from someone in VR, XR, whatever, it's a lot more difficult to to run
it that way.

787
00:51:10,718 --> 00:51:14,870
~ going from index to frame took them seven years.

788
00:51:15,051 --> 00:51:18,283
And the index was made a lot of people happy in that time.

789
00:51:18,283 --> 00:51:19,916
And most people are okay with.

790
00:51:19,916 --> 00:51:29,934
being on an index, but we're getting some huge like like VR is such a fast moving,
changing industry, especially even on the hardware.

791
00:51:29,934 --> 00:51:34,718
Like it's going here's here's what I fear.

792
00:51:34,718 --> 00:51:37,761
Could you look something up just real quick, high tech?

793
00:51:37,761 --> 00:51:43,285
~ there's something I know again we talked about meta, but this is where the hardware is
going.

794
00:51:43,285 --> 00:51:49,930
If you search ~ something called Meta Phoenix and show what that's going to look like

795
00:51:50,048 --> 00:51:52,099
That's where like this technology is heading.

796
00:51:52,099 --> 00:51:58,280
~ Steam Frame did really well by focusing on trying to make it as light and possible.

797
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,301
But yeah, the very first picture is pretty much what you want.

798
00:52:01,301 --> 00:52:03,121
This is Meta's next.

799
00:52:03,342 --> 00:52:06,422
This is a VR headset, actually, with color pass-through.

800
00:52:06,422 --> 00:52:08,243
And they're building in a pair of glasses.

801
00:52:08,243 --> 00:52:09,583
~ they moved

802
00:52:09,583 --> 00:52:16,065
the compute to a like an actual puck that would be in your pocket, similar to like Vision
Pro, but this is just a battery.

803
00:52:16,065 --> 00:52:19,827
~ this is where it's going.

804
00:52:19,827 --> 00:52:20,498
Is worth heading.

805
00:52:20,498 --> 00:52:25,362
They're probably gonna show it off literally next week and show off that it can do VR, it
can do AR.

806
00:52:25,362 --> 00:52:37,591
So when you have a company like Valve, who I again, I'm not criticizing them for how they
run things completely, but for consumers, they look at the advances of something like this

807
00:52:37,591 --> 00:52:47,439
coming out and they compare it to also that probably at least released this week that is
much larger, bulky, doesn't have color pass through built in, all this stuff.

808
00:52:47,439 --> 00:52:48,920
~

809
00:52:49,824 --> 00:52:53,955
It's very difficult to do VR in this this way of just taking breaks.

810
00:52:53,955 --> 00:53:02,118
~ also them splitting their ~ focuses on three hardware launches at once throughout the
year was also crazy for a small team like them.

811
00:53:02,118 --> 00:53:03,969
Like all these things.

812
00:53:03,969 --> 00:53:09,350
~ yeah, I just I just wish they would hire more people because it it's very difficult.

813
00:53:09,350 --> 00:53:10,011
Very difficult.

814
00:53:10,011 --> 00:53:12,931
Hardware is very different than software, very different.

815
00:53:13,198 --> 00:53:14,225
I'd like I'd like to think

816
00:53:14,225 --> 00:53:15,025
we're

817
00:53:15,064 --> 00:53:17,165
They do contract hard ~ like

818
00:53:17,165 --> 00:53:17,515
certain

819
00:53:17,515 --> 00:53:21,367
companies to help fulfill stuff and for design.

820
00:53:21,367 --> 00:53:22,907
They they they're not doing

821
00:53:22,907 --> 00:53:24,238
every single bit

822
00:53:24,238 --> 00:53:27,129
and delivering it to your home themselves.

823
00:53:27,129 --> 00:53:29,810
But yeah, they definitely need more people.

824
00:53:29,876 --> 00:53:34,904
So now for the quick question, when do you think they'll release a steam frame OLED?

825
00:53:35,154 --> 00:53:35,857
It won't be a while.

826
00:53:35,857 --> 00:53:36,954
It'll be a while.

827
00:53:36,954 --> 00:53:37,793
while.

828
00:53:37,793 --> 00:53:37,990
Be

829
00:53:37,990 --> 00:53:38,527
a while.

830
00:53:38,527 --> 00:53:47,923
I mean y I mean, honestly, I would think so too, but then if you remember they released
the ~ Steam Deck OLED like was it two one or two years afterwards?

831
00:53:48,165 --> 00:53:51,603
Steam Deck OLED release date.

832
00:53:51,603 --> 00:53:52,146
yeah.

833
00:53:52,146 --> 00:53:54,289
theorized

834
00:53:54,289 --> 00:54:01,785
that the OLED was what they originally intended the Steam Deck to be and I think they had
done the work but couldn't source the panels.

835
00:54:01,785 --> 00:54:06,869
~ And so I think that's why we got that quick turnaround with the deck.

836
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:14,795
I don't think that that was in the cards for the frame or at least I haven't seen evidence
of that.

837
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:17,877
well, well, who knows?

838
00:54:17,877 --> 00:54:21,489
into my so yeah, this is my nerd, I'm gonna go into Nerdge feel.

839
00:54:21,489 --> 00:54:29,393
~ it's very different upgrading a display for a handheld than a headset because you just
do the display, you're done.

840
00:54:29,434 --> 00:54:44,192
For a headset, especially a headset that uses what's called pancake optics, those optics
in front of the display are basically cutting out in some cases 10%, but around 25% of the

841
00:54:44,192 --> 00:54:46,323
light being emitted from a display.

842
00:54:46,395 --> 00:54:55,199
Now for L C D that's actually not a problem because ~ they can pulse the backlight of the
L C D to be very bright to compensate for that light loss.

843
00:54:55,199 --> 00:55:02,722
But OLED has a lot of problems with like standard OLED has a lot of problems with ~ with
pancake

844
00:55:02,722 --> 00:55:03,742
lenses.

845
00:55:03,783 --> 00:55:14,447
So to switch from L C D to OLED is basically a non factor right now, unless they switch to
what's called micro OLED, which is they build OLED on

846
00:55:14,629 --> 00:55:18,102
Silicon back lanes, basically chips that are displays as well.

847
00:55:18,102 --> 00:55:21,344
Those get way brighter, but the even those are not.

848
00:55:22,085 --> 00:55:30,010
So there's a pro so another thing that VR headsets do is they actually flash the entire
display 10% of each frame.

849
00:55:30,321 --> 00:55:33,373
so you're actually only seeing 10% of each frame when you're putting on a headset.

850
00:55:33,373 --> 00:55:40,098
And they do that because when you move your head, if it's a hundred percent, it just looks
like a motion blur fest that makes you sick.

851
00:55:40,098 --> 00:55:41,679
So they they flash 10%.

852
00:55:41,775 --> 00:55:45,857
And your brain kind of connects the dots automatically and actually looks more smoother
doing that way.

853
00:55:45,857 --> 00:55:51,670
Now the problem is when you do ten percent of each frame, that also makes the display ten
percent of the brightness going out.

854
00:55:51,670 --> 00:55:56,652
So you have ten percent of the display, twenty percent of the optics, all these things.

855
00:55:56,973 --> 00:56:01,035
It's very hard to switch to OLED unless you do micro OLED, and that's super expensive.

856
00:56:01,035 --> 00:56:09,369
You'll have a much more expensive product, like many factors which make it very difficult
for them to do the whole Steam Deck L T D, the Steam Deck OLED thing.

857
00:56:09,369 --> 00:56:11,342
So yeah.

858
00:56:11,373 --> 00:56:12,715
is Apple's product?

859
00:56:12,715 --> 00:56:14,198
I can never even remember what it is.

860
00:56:14,198 --> 00:56:15,621
What is what does theirs use?

861
00:56:15,621 --> 00:56:17,664
Because theirs is so expensive.

862
00:56:18,446 --> 00:56:19,093
Okay.

863
00:56:19,093 --> 00:56:22,715
the the chip thing and they're using very expensive ones.

864
00:56:23,156 --> 00:56:31,099
they're using the resolution on this thing is like thirty six hundred by thirty two
hundred per eye, up to one twenty hertz and everything.

865
00:56:31,099 --> 00:56:31,943
~ and they're

866
00:56:31,943 --> 00:56:32,023
it?

867
00:56:32,023 --> 00:56:34,619
Because I am thinking about I've been wanting to get one.

868
00:56:34,619 --> 00:56:39,007
I have most other Apple products because I kind of just went in on it for business.

869
00:56:39,319 --> 00:56:39,951
how are you liking

870
00:56:39,951 --> 00:56:40,571
it?

871
00:56:41,390 --> 00:56:43,212
This is my main device actually.

872
00:56:43,212 --> 00:56:52,259
~ I I don't it I always say if people are like wanting to dip their toes, buy definitely
buy it like aftermarket because most people who will buy this will not use it much,

873
00:56:52,259 --> 00:56:52,800
frankly.

874
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:58,024
Like it's it's still like I think has many barriers for like daily usage.

875
00:56:58,024 --> 00:57:02,688
But for me, like I said, I'm a crazy before the show, I was explaining I'm a crazy person.

876
00:57:02,729 --> 00:57:06,212
I don't I don't do physical monitors, I don't do physical TVs.

877
00:57:06,212 --> 00:57:07,172
I I

878
00:57:07,673 --> 00:57:12,997
Force myself to live like a zoo animal who makes everything digital in my life and what
did that be?

879
00:57:12,997 --> 00:57:16,529
3D models, ~ Gossian splatting.

880
00:57:17,129 --> 00:57:18,856
Arcturus Vision Camera showed up a feature.

881
00:57:18,856 --> 00:57:19,921
I don't know if you guys saw it.

882
00:57:19,921 --> 00:57:21,372
It's called Gaussian splating.

883
00:57:21,372 --> 00:57:23,574
I'm very obsessed with that technology.

884
00:57:23,574 --> 00:57:27,146
It's basically like 3D models, but like way higher fidelity.

885
00:57:27,146 --> 00:57:36,226
And I even I even did stuff like my daughter was born last year, and I captured her in her
like little incubation chamber when she first came out.

886
00:57:36,226 --> 00:57:45,511
And I have a full three D model that day of her just being born in the incubation changer
~ chamber that I can put in my room and I when she gets old enough I can show her the full

887
00:57:45,511 --> 00:57:48,793
three D recreation of when she was born and all that stuff.

888
00:57:48,793 --> 00:57:50,534
So it can do stuff like that.

889
00:57:50,914 --> 00:57:51,225
thank you.

890
00:57:51,225 --> 00:57:53,006
Yeah, I I know I'm

891
00:57:53,006 --> 00:58:02,541
crazy when I explain it, but like I I am very passionate about that stuff and I that's why
I'm also passionate about like the Archer's vision camera, what they're doing for

892
00:58:02,541 --> 00:58:04,470
steam frame and all that stuff because I

893
00:58:04,470 --> 00:58:09,376
I believe once we get to one day I I believe more people will be doing this.

894
00:58:09,376 --> 00:58:12,899
It's just there's a lot of things that have to happen to get there.

895
00:58:12,899 --> 00:58:16,038
There's a lot of friction and ~

896
00:58:16,038 --> 00:58:18,053
at least the technology's getting better though.

897
00:58:18,186 --> 00:58:18,759
Yeah.

898
00:58:18,759 --> 00:58:23,741
my interest in VR is like kinda passing, but it is primarily gaming focused.

899
00:58:23,741 --> 00:58:28,883
Like I haven't played Alex, so like, you know, getting one of these and a free copy of
Alex is pretty sick.

900
00:58:29,003 --> 00:58:29,819
But

901
00:58:29,819 --> 00:58:39,067
I do have to question where VR game dev is right now, because I mean Alex is like still
considered the best VR game period, right?

902
00:58:39,379 --> 00:58:40,623
in my opinion.

903
00:58:41,905 --> 00:58:43,456
It's there's

904
00:58:43,456 --> 00:58:46,479
I think there's no arguing which is the best VR game.

905
00:58:46,479 --> 00:58:51,142
I be the only way you could argue is if you just don't like the type of game Half Life
Alex is.

906
00:58:51,142 --> 00:59:05,453
But like, even if you don't, the details, the the way that you have to ~ the interface
with the VR and w how you interact with the world is so in my opinion, crisp, so

907
00:59:05,453 --> 00:59:06,235
easy.

908
00:59:06,235 --> 00:59:08,375
I just I've played

909
00:59:08,742 --> 00:59:15,436
I I wouldn't say I've played a hundreds of VR games, but I've played I haven't played any
of the new ones the past few years because a lot of them have been on meta.

910
00:59:15,497 --> 00:59:16,057
But if

911
00:59:16,057 --> 00:59:20,620
it's index oriented, like I've played most of them to some extent.

912
00:59:20,820 --> 00:59:21,821
I tried living

913
00:59:21,821 --> 00:59:25,303
in the the index too and it I couldn't do it.

914
00:59:25,303 --> 00:59:26,684
Because it was too heavy.

915
00:59:26,684 --> 00:59:28,275
So I'm kinda curious about the the Apple

916
00:59:28,275 --> 00:59:28,355
one.

917
00:59:28,355 --> 00:59:28,986
That's why I ask.

918
00:59:28,986 --> 00:59:31,087
But yeah, sorry, Gardner.

919
00:59:31,179 --> 00:59:45,135
I think the way I think about Alex is like if you think about like Pac-Man or you think
about like centipede and then you compare it to Half-Life that's that's like what I mean

920
00:59:45,135 --> 00:59:55,510
most VR games that I've ever played are like Pac-Man or centipede and then Alex is like
Half-Life right there's just almost no comparison right ~

921
00:59:55,510 --> 00:59:57,821
there's simple games like

922
00:59:57,821 --> 01:00:04,515
I mean, the games that have stuck out to me besides Alex are like Walkabout Golf and ~
Beat Saber.

923
01:00:05,697 --> 01:00:19,987
But they're still like pretty rudimentary and arcadey feeling versus a cinematic triple A
modern gaming experience that is like the deepest immersion I've ever experienced.

924
01:00:19,987 --> 01:00:23,990
yeah, Alex is far and away the best game I've ever played in VR.

925
01:00:23,990 --> 01:00:25,765
~

926
01:00:25,765 --> 01:00:28,190
I don't know, Bradley, you might have...

927
01:00:29,170 --> 01:00:30,471
No, I'm I'm with you.

928
01:00:30,471 --> 01:00:31,782
I played all of them, even on

929
01:00:31,782 --> 01:00:36,384
Quest, and I still think ~ yeah, Alex just hits it hits all the things.

930
01:00:36,384 --> 01:00:39,576
Like and also I think the big thing I'll spiel don't talk about.

931
01:00:39,636 --> 01:00:44,409
I'm gonna go into a little spiel here, kinda answer low high techs thing earlier.

932
01:00:44,409 --> 01:00:55,495
~ it's a game that is super complex, but a lot of people, not everyone, but they designed
it to where it's not overwhelming and won't make people sick in VR, which is

933
01:00:55,495 --> 01:00:57,836
also pretty valuable ~ while also

934
01:00:57,836 --> 01:01:03,897
being so fleshed out and amazing, which is very those mixture of things are so hard to do
in VR.

935
01:01:05,828 --> 01:01:11,790
something you're seeing a lot right now in VR is the studios have been closing down.

936
01:01:11,790 --> 01:01:13,330
Like a lot of them.

937
01:01:13,470 --> 01:01:23,413
A lot of it is to the fact that ~ some of these studios were owned by Meta and Meta has
kind of deprioritized gaming as what they want to do in VR right now.

938
01:01:23,413 --> 01:01:24,473
They still

939
01:01:24,787 --> 01:01:30,902
Do a little bit, but for the most part, I think they're trying to kind of chase the Apple
Vision Pro way of ARBR.

940
01:01:30,902 --> 01:01:32,109
~

941
01:01:32,109 --> 01:01:33,182
I think it was.

942
01:01:33,244 --> 01:01:35,966
sp yeah, space spatial computing,

943
01:01:35,966 --> 01:01:44,974
which is why the glasses like I was put putting up earlier, that will be literally like a
Vision Pro with a smaller FOV, but it'll have the same input scheme.

944
01:01:44,974 --> 01:01:48,977
No controllers in the box, it'll have eye tracking and new pinch to select things.

945
01:01:48,977 --> 01:01:49,797
And

946
01:01:51,059 --> 01:01:52,800
this is where Meta's going.

947
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:53,901
So they

948
01:01:54,173 --> 01:01:55,964
are deprioritizing gaming.

949
01:01:55,964 --> 01:01:58,085
They are not, they don't want to keep studios around.

950
01:01:58,085 --> 01:02:00,166
They don't want to fund studios as much anymore.

951
01:02:00,166 --> 01:02:06,938
And we also ~ we had the mean you guys probably remember how weird and crazy the metaverse
thing was.

952
01:02:06,938 --> 01:02:09,940
Like the the whole industry going metaverse, metaverse, metaverse.

953
01:02:09,940 --> 01:02:15,632
Not even just meta, but just how it was like AI, but everything was metaverse and it was
insane.

954
01:02:16,743 --> 01:02:16,913
a

955
01:02:16,913 --> 01:02:22,125
lot of those VR studios and companies took a ton of investor money during that time.

956
01:02:22,125 --> 01:02:22,945
And

957
01:02:23,078 --> 01:02:25,749
When you do that, you gotta pay it back.

958
01:02:25,749 --> 01:02:30,430
There's no just taking money and you just, you know, you get to do whatever you want.

959
01:02:30,430 --> 01:02:35,931
So a lot of companies took too much money, they they expand their teams to two hundred
people teams.

960
01:02:35,931 --> 01:02:42,213
These teams are bigger than even what flat game some of these flat game studio or T D game
studios have.

961
01:02:42,213 --> 01:02:50,235
When you're in a nascent industry like VR that hasn't really proven itself to be a
mainstream or whatever medium.

962
01:02:50,235 --> 01:02:52,443
So all these factors have made

963
01:02:52,443 --> 01:02:53,884
VR studios coming in.

964
01:02:53,884 --> 01:03:03,529
Now there is one silver lining, ~ other than the spatial computing stuff, which I I
personally have the belief that, like PCs, there are PCs being built out with all these

965
01:03:03,529 --> 01:03:06,330
sort of aspects and and reasons to buy them.

966
01:03:06,330 --> 01:03:10,293
And then gaming kind of grew alongside it and became its own sort of force.

967
01:03:10,293 --> 01:03:13,795
I kind of believe that's how XR will develop over the long term too.

968
01:03:13,795 --> 01:03:21,228
But ~ recently, there has been a huge surge in mods for VR, for VR.

969
01:03:21,228 --> 01:03:22,629
Like they've been taking

970
01:03:23,473 --> 01:03:30,869
Pretty much any game you can think of, whether it be older or recent, and they've just
been putting pretty high quality VR mods in them.

971
01:03:31,990 --> 01:03:38,375
a few months ago I finally got to play Halo 3 and Halo 3 ODST completely in VR.

972
01:03:38,375 --> 01:03:42,138
Like full on hands, controllers, like everything.

973
01:03:42,138 --> 01:03:44,440
Like it's not like a it was a pretty good mod.

974
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:45,801
It was amazing.

975
01:03:45,801 --> 01:03:53,387
And that's kind of like the silver lining of people who are I think buying VR for gaming
now is you have a ton of that being made by

976
01:03:53,464 --> 01:03:59,196
Enthusiasts all for free as well, because these mods are just, you know, mods for games
you own.

977
01:04:00,157 --> 01:04:09,840
and the people who are still developing for VR today are actually I don't want to be mean
to the people that are working on VR before, but a lot of those titles from these large

978
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:15,874
studios, you could tell that they actually barely put on the headset when they were
testing these games.

979
01:04:15,874 --> 01:04:17,563
Like you just tell.

980
01:04:18,083 --> 01:04:23,105
whereas now all these mods and stuff that people are d still developing at like a smaller
scale.

981
01:04:23,511 --> 01:04:26,002
are way higher quality.

982
01:04:26,002 --> 01:04:34,137
So I think anyone who gets in the Steam Frame, you should not expect this triple A, you
know, studio thing.

983
01:04:34,137 --> 01:04:41,681
Even Valve's not releasing a new game with it, but you're gonna see a lot of this
enthusiast grassroots modding and everything that's like exploding right now.

984
01:04:41,681 --> 01:04:44,577
And that's what a lot of people are going to be able to do.

985
01:04:44,577 --> 01:04:45,627
Yeah.

986
01:04:45,659 --> 01:04:48,297
Yeah, I'd lo mm I'd like to see that.

987
01:04:48,631 --> 01:04:52,284
Gardner, I think it's close to your time to go to the wedding, right?

988
01:04:52,284 --> 01:04:53,707
Yeah, I gotta get rolling here.

989
01:04:53,707 --> 01:04:58,608
~ But this has been a great discussion and Bradley, it's great to meet you finally.

990
01:04:58,608 --> 01:05:03,187
Yeah, I'm really glad we get to do this.

991
01:05:03,865 --> 01:05:04,857
Yeah, no, thank you.

992
01:05:04,857 --> 01:05:09,578
~ I hope I hope the wedding goes great that you're going to and everything and fun.

993
01:05:09,578 --> 01:05:10,410
Thank you.

994
01:05:10,410 --> 01:05:11,200
Thank you.

995
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:12,596
All right, I'll see you guys.

996
01:05:13,503 --> 01:05:14,821
All right, see you later.

997
01:05:15,158 --> 01:05:19,111
So with that said, there are games being announced.

998
01:05:19,111 --> 01:05:27,763
Tokyo Game I put this on the topic list because I thought there'd be more games announced,
but they're really just showing off a bunch of games that that I mean we've already seen ~

999
01:05:27,763 --> 01:05:31,390
announced, so we can kinda gloss over Tokyo Game Show.

1000
01:05:31,390 --> 01:05:35,383
~ but let's talk about the use of generative AI in game development.

1001
01:05:35,383 --> 01:05:40,116
Apparently over 85% of Japanese game devs say they use generative AI.

1002
01:05:40,701 --> 01:05:46,625
As per the as per a survey from the Japanese games industry CISA report.

1003
01:05:48,007 --> 01:05:50,849
And this is up from fifty one percent last year.

1004
01:05:51,359 --> 01:05:53,192
Yeah, that's not surprising, honestly.

1005
01:05:53,192 --> 01:05:53,951
I I think

1006
01:05:53,951 --> 01:05:59,866
in and I bet you a lot of people who ~ answer this survey were also lying too.

1007
01:06:00,126 --> 01:06:00,795
Like

1008
01:06:00,795 --> 01:06:04,176
that that they don't use VR, they don't use ~ AI.

1009
01:06:04,176 --> 01:06:05,895
they don't use it and they probably do.

1010
01:06:05,895 --> 01:06:06,550
I bet you.

1011
01:06:06,550 --> 01:06:09,123
Yeah.

1012
01:06:09,162 --> 01:06:10,133
yeah, I I could see it.

1013
01:06:10,133 --> 01:06:18,905
Especially with code, like there's a lot of supposed to be there's supposed to be a r
really a lot of really good ~ auto auto complete functionality that is powered by AI, so

1014
01:06:18,905 --> 01:06:22,019
in a sense in a sense everyone's using AI.

1015
01:06:22,019 --> 01:06:23,300
I mean like heck

1016
01:06:24,093 --> 01:06:34,899
To to to to butt in a little bit, you're not going to from na here on out you're not gonna
see any software games not not built with some type of support with AI.

1017
01:06:34,932 --> 01:06:40,943
~ the problem is is like we have a very divisive way of of handling all this.

1018
01:06:40,943 --> 01:06:50,122
One we're replacing talent with generative AI that's really heavily generated, so it's
just it's it's killing jobs there and it doesn't honestly like

1019
01:06:50,122 --> 01:06:53,203
AI is still not as good as like a human being when it comes to that.

1020
01:06:53,203 --> 01:06:57,834
Like, so first off, you're gonna s make your games look like AI.

1021
01:06:57,834 --> 01:07:10,238
And then second, like for at least for engineers, the generative AI on that side is a
little different as the and I we talked about this last week with the Fox, but I I really

1022
01:07:10,238 --> 01:07:16,780
think like a lot of the the code that's being generated is just stuff that it's
boilerplate stuff oftentimes, and so it's really

1023
01:07:16,875 --> 01:07:21,841
Stuff I personally hate writing now that I've written f I've done coding for f fifteen
years.

1024
01:07:21,841 --> 01:07:25,234
I just would rather have a idea for me, at least the hard the easy parts.

1025
01:07:25,234 --> 01:07:27,396
I wanna enjoy the hard parts, so.

1026
01:07:27,998 --> 01:07:29,519
Gaming's similar.

1027
01:07:29,519 --> 01:07:30,087
Yeah.

1028
01:07:30,087 --> 01:07:32,369
I think that's a great I think you yeah.

1029
01:07:32,369 --> 01:07:43,438
I ~ I think anyone who has never really done coding or even using AI for coding, it's all
it's all because it's like a there's there's so much crazy I would like to call it

1030
01:07:43,438 --> 01:07:49,823
marketing where it's like, I just typed in a prompt and it just built this whole game for
me, which is all bull crap.

1031
01:07:49,823 --> 01:07:51,705
It's like mostly bull crap.

1032
01:07:51,705 --> 01:07:57,241
Because any even if you use the frontier AI stuff ~ for this stuff, like you have to

1033
01:07:57,241 --> 01:08:02,635
literally babysit it every step of the way, ~ to build something functional.

1034
01:08:02,635 --> 01:08:08,129
seen we've seen some crazy shit happen with AI and I think we'll talk more about that in
the bonus episode.

1035
01:08:08,129 --> 01:08:10,334
Will you be joining us for the bonus episode?

1036
01:08:11,053 --> 01:08:11,454
Yeah, sure.

1037
01:08:11,454 --> 01:08:14,091
If we're talking about this stuff, it's it's a little interesting.

1038
01:08:14,092 --> 01:08:18,705
Yeah, well yeah, y yeah, we we're talking about more interesting a lot of interesting
stuff.

1039
01:08:18,705 --> 01:08:22,875
Some stuff that might be a little too spicy for the YouTubes.

1040
01:08:23,532 --> 01:08:23,833
I see.

1041
01:08:23,833 --> 01:08:25,286
Yeah, sure.

1042
01:08:25,344 --> 01:08:26,244
Yes.

1043
01:08:26,645 --> 01:08:37,815
on the topic of ~ you know, Japanese game devs, apparently Masahiro Sakurai, developer of
Kirby and Smash, has to abandon the quote Game Designers Award after sixteen years as he

1044
01:08:37,815 --> 01:08:39,556
can't find a successor.

1045
01:08:39,806 --> 01:08:40,847
Which is interesting.

1046
01:08:40,847 --> 01:08:51,674
Essentially it's a award that talks that talks about like innovative gameplay that's not
like essentially like nothing else, I guess he was looking for, but no one Stepped up.

1047
01:08:51,674 --> 01:08:52,674
I don't know.

1048
01:08:52,735 --> 01:08:53,395
Just whatever.

1049
01:08:53,395 --> 01:08:57,398
~ but this one's super interesting though.

1050
01:09:00,543 --> 01:09:02,063
Microsoft exec.

1051
01:09:03,264 --> 01:09:04,164
Yes.

1052
01:09:04,164 --> 01:09:06,985
Damn Gardner Gardner would have liked this topic.

1053
01:09:07,546 --> 01:09:08,526
But anyways.

1054
01:09:08,526 --> 01:09:15,088
So AI scraping, the largest theft of labor in human history, says Microsoft Exec.

1055
01:09:15,389 --> 01:09:21,331
And this is a this this was brought up in a lawsuit from the New York Times against OpenAI
and Microsoft.

1056
01:09:22,872 --> 01:09:29,354
Essentially they're suing because ~ they claim that AI scraping is theft, more or less.

1057
01:09:29,524 --> 01:09:33,659
And that it pro and then that it poses a major threat to publications.

1058
01:09:34,181 --> 01:09:42,262
And as per some unveiled documents, apparently unsealed materials that it says that a
Microsoft exec said that it was the largest theft in human history.

1059
01:09:42,262 --> 01:09:43,874
This is an actual quote, by the way.

1060
01:09:46,027 --> 01:09:48,679
And it also

1061
01:09:48,679 --> 01:09:53,015
this like something they said internally to each other and it got like leaked in this
lawsuit?

1062
01:09:53,015 --> 01:09:54,436
Is that what's going on here?

1063
01:09:55,432 --> 01:09:57,402
Yeah, this was said internally.

1064
01:09:57,522 --> 01:09:58,023
I see.

1065
01:09:58,023 --> 01:10:02,524
and this was un and this ~ had to be unsealed, I guess, in a in a way.

1066
01:10:02,964 --> 01:10:09,386
Another yeah, and it's it's crazy that ~ they they see what's happening and they just go
with it too.

1067
01:10:09,386 --> 01:10:21,970
~ another thing they mentioned was that ~ open AI leadership also said that their AI
models pose an existential threat to publishers and journalists too.

1068
01:10:21,970 --> 01:10:23,440
Their words, not mine.

1069
01:10:25,858 --> 01:10:26,527
Well, you know what?

1070
01:10:26,527 --> 01:10:37,349
I I I I'm very like I don't want to like take AI aside here, but like ~ journalists are
kind of already going on their way out, even just because of social media.

1071
01:10:37,349 --> 01:10:45,155
So like this was like the the smoking gun that further I think killed the idea of like
established journalism for the most part.

1072
01:10:45,155 --> 01:10:45,976
So

1073
01:10:46,587 --> 01:10:48,509
Journalism is important.

1074
01:10:48,509 --> 01:10:53,122
I don't think the problem with journalism is that people don't want to hear what they come
up with.

1075
01:10:53,122 --> 01:10:58,356
They have like real journalism is boots on the ground, getting into places.

1076
01:10:58,356 --> 01:10:59,556
AI can't do that very well.

1077
01:10:59,556 --> 01:11:00,937
It's gonna make a lot of mistakes.

1078
01:11:00,937 --> 01:11:07,602
~ so I think it'd be a big mistake to completely have journalists completely replaced.

1079
01:11:07,602 --> 01:11:12,686
Like even playing games, forming certain opinions, AI's just not gonna be there for a long
time.

1080
01:11:12,686 --> 01:11:13,546
Plus

1081
01:11:13,619 --> 01:11:19,530
It's just gonna depend on if you want to really follow that type of an AI person.

1082
01:11:19,530 --> 01:11:27,452
Like it can be interesting if they create a persona for the AI to then create these
things, but part of the reason too for like let's say game journalism is that you also

1083
01:11:27,452 --> 01:11:30,359
want their personality kind of a part of it.

1084
01:11:30,359 --> 01:11:33,404
~ 'cause everyone has different takes on different games.

1085
01:11:33,404 --> 01:11:42,344
Journalism as in like news and in the politics and stuff like that, that really comes down
to like you you gotta get

1086
01:11:42,344 --> 01:11:52,127
deep into things and the only way AI could maybe do it is like backdoor their way into
governments and other things and figure out information that way, but still a lot of

1087
01:11:52,127 --> 01:11:54,438
things still pass through voice and and chatting.

1088
01:11:54,438 --> 01:11:59,860
And so ~ I think AI is very disruptive technology.

1089
01:11:59,860 --> 01:12:02,780
Saying that it's gonna kill journalists, I think it's not quite there.

1090
01:12:02,780 --> 01:12:03,601
I think you're right though.

1091
01:12:03,601 --> 01:12:08,114
I think social media is, unfortunately, because a lot of them are not

1092
01:12:08,114 --> 01:12:12,798
journalists and they don't know what they're they don't they say they do the research and
then they don't actually ever read the paper.

1093
01:12:12,798 --> 01:12:14,900
They're like, their research is I Googled it

1094
01:12:14,900 --> 01:12:19,123
and the Google AI told me like not to worry, you know?

1095
01:12:19,124 --> 01:12:20,004
Or

1096
01:12:20,325 --> 01:12:21,420
the opposite.

1097
01:12:21,420 --> 01:12:22,610
this true?

1098
01:12:24,549 --> 01:12:25,704
It's the worst part about

1099
01:12:25,704 --> 01:12:29,090
media for sure is the the sure killer of journalism.

1100
01:12:29,090 --> 01:12:29,862
Anything else?

1101
01:12:29,862 --> 01:12:30,874
Yeah, I agree.

1102
01:12:30,874 --> 01:12:31,896
not a good thing.

1103
01:12:31,896 --> 01:12:37,238
It can be a good thing, but it's not a good thing because they don't they're not
journalists themselves.

1104
01:12:37,238 --> 01:12:41,246
So and journalism takes a lot of work.

1105
01:12:41,289 --> 01:12:44,871
People are so comfortable with like outsourcing their thinking to Grok.

1106
01:12:44,871 --> 01:12:47,243
They don't even think critically on social media.

1107
01:12:47,243 --> 01:12:50,836
We I know you've seen this a couple of times too.

1108
01:12:50,836 --> 01:12:53,688
Yeah, it's it's some real shit out there, man.

1109
01:12:54,322 --> 01:12:54,883
Yeah.

1110
01:12:54,883 --> 01:12:55,784
Facebook.

1111
01:12:55,784 --> 01:12:57,586
At least I don't know which one's worse.

1112
01:12:57,586 --> 01:13:01,410
Is X or Facebook, but Facebook's so bad.

1113
01:13:01,912 --> 01:13:02,832
That's

1114
01:13:03,071 --> 01:13:04,132
Facebook is

1115
01:13:04,132 --> 01:13:06,834
left to all the boomers out there in the world, dude.

1116
01:13:06,834 --> 01:13:07,514
And like quite

1117
01:13:07,514 --> 01:13:10,003
frankly, y th there's no saving them.

1118
01:13:10,003 --> 01:13:11,843
I I hate to say it.

1119
01:13:11,843 --> 01:13:12,404
boomers

1120
01:13:12,404 --> 01:13:15,025
and the people that aren't technically savvy are there.

1121
01:13:15,025 --> 01:13:20,227
And then everyone else that's more edgy or more tech savvy are on X, I find.

1122
01:13:20,227 --> 01:13:24,189
And so it's rough.

1123
01:13:24,569 --> 01:13:25,120
Or bots.

1124
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:27,161
There's so many bots on both.

1125
01:13:27,161 --> 01:13:28,541
Like I I

1126
01:13:28,541 --> 01:13:34,154
swear half of the posts that you see where you're like, this is an as nine take is
probably a bot.

1127
01:13:34,758 --> 01:13:35,669
Yeah.

1128
01:13:36,158 --> 01:13:36,959
The the wor

1129
01:13:36,959 --> 01:13:38,040
yeah, that's the worst part.

1130
01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:51,054
You can't even tell well you can y like so many people are just AI's make made them more
like human like though like they'll insult you and heck I think one of them's even said

1131
01:13:51,054 --> 01:13:54,517
the N word on X as well, which is kinda crazy to me.

1132
01:13:55,299 --> 01:13:58,312
The Grok will just insult you by calling you the N word too.

1133
01:13:58,312 --> 01:13:58,641
they put

1134
01:13:58,641 --> 01:14:12,720
a they've put a lot Elon Musk doesn't like he he doesn't like ~ a lot of stuff being
limited and everything with his AI, but he they put a lot of guardrails on Grok lately.

1135
01:14:12,820 --> 01:14:14,001
Good it's a good thing.

1136
01:14:14,001 --> 01:14:16,422
It's a good thing, but ~ jeez.

1137
01:14:16,552 --> 01:14:23,211
Yeah, of course, 'cause like we've had like cases like the ~ I don't wanna I can't say it
on YouTube.

1138
01:14:23,813 --> 01:14:26,257
But you I'm sure you get what I'm getting at, right?

1139
01:14:26,257 --> 01:14:26,788
The AI

1140
01:14:26,788 --> 01:14:29,482
generated ~ content.

1141
01:14:29,482 --> 01:14:32,205
~ yeah, it

1142
01:14:32,231 --> 01:14:35,337
more for our bonus episode.

1143
01:14:35,432 --> 01:14:39,124
Yeah, but it's it's essentially I mean shit man.

1144
01:14:39,124 --> 01:14:45,637
I wonder what's gonna happen in like ten years down the line, 'cause I mean AI is still a
very, a very young industry at this point, right?

1145
01:14:45,637 --> 01:14:46,517
Like it's only been

1146
01:14:46,517 --> 01:14:52,420
like When did Ch when did Chat G when did Chat GPT come out?

1147
01:14:52,888 --> 01:14:57,000
nearly Yeah, in the bonus episode, like we'll probably talk about this a lot more in the
bonus episode.

1148
01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:10,635
~ while you're figuring that out, I will just to cut back to into this a little bit more,
that it I don't think you're gonna pr be able to prevent fully like this type of theft of

1149
01:15:10,635 --> 01:15:17,058
the labor market or like of human history over like the more the entertainment

1150
01:15:17,337 --> 01:15:18,928
literature, all this type.

1151
01:15:18,928 --> 01:15:20,788
I don't think you're gonna be able to prevent that fully.

1152
01:15:20,788 --> 01:15:26,390
What you're gonna have to do is you're gonna have to go on the the flip side and and I've
said this multiple times, you're gonna have to have regulations, but you're also gonna

1153
01:15:26,390 --> 01:15:38,954
have to make it so that there you you tax the output of AI eventually to say, hey, you've
hurt the industries over here, you pay for like and you tax it and you pay for

1154
01:15:39,056 --> 01:15:43,078
the the met the the missed labor opportunities so people don't go homeless and everything.

1155
01:15:43,078 --> 01:15:44,410
You're you're gonna have to do that.

1156
01:15:44,410 --> 01:15:45,838
I don't think there's any other way.

1157
01:15:45,838 --> 01:15:48,574
I don't think you're gonna be able to shut down these companies.

1158
01:15:48,574 --> 01:15:51,836
~ you're gonna have to hurt them in a different way.

1159
01:15:51,836 --> 01:15:54,318
So that's just my opinion on it.

1160
01:15:54,408 --> 01:15:55,459
Yeah.

1161
01:15:55,620 --> 01:15:56,131
Yeah.

1162
01:15:56,131 --> 01:16:00,407
And you know what powers all of this, ~ AI shenanigans stuff?

1163
01:16:00,709 --> 01:16:01,800
Memory.

1164
01:16:01,862 --> 01:16:04,835
My GPU memory that I don't have now.

1165
01:16:04,835 --> 01:16:10,324
memory, but also your CPU memory too, your regular old ~ mod DDR5

1166
01:16:10,324 --> 01:16:11,334
modules here.

1167
01:16:11,334 --> 01:16:12,307
You guys ever see

1168
01:16:12,307 --> 01:16:14,600
a five hundred and twelve gig stick before?

1169
01:16:14,850 --> 01:16:16,172
And I never will.

1170
01:16:16,513 --> 01:16:19,026
Yeah, y yeah, like shit man.

1171
01:16:19,026 --> 01:16:26,686
Imag imagine the AI bubble pops and then we s we're still stuck with like eight gig sticks
at maximum.

1172
01:16:26,686 --> 01:16:28,237
Like that would suck.

1173
01:16:28,487 --> 01:16:32,062
No, we'll be all buying decommissioned server parts if that happens.

1174
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:37,983
Dude, I'm hawking my local data centers 'cause I have like thirty something data centers
in my area apparently.

1175
01:16:37,983 --> 01:16:40,074
Yeah,

1176
01:16:40,074 --> 01:16:45,297
so it's it's apparently my like state has the most data centers in the fucking state
somehow.

1177
01:16:45,297 --> 01:16:46,418
Virginia.

1178
01:16:46,639 --> 01:16:49,532
Yeah, Virgil, it's it's ~ they've

1179
01:16:50,428 --> 01:16:52,667
I don't know why this is the case.

1180
01:16:52,667 --> 01:16:55,066
data centers than you have Costco's nearby.

1181
01:16:55,805 --> 01:16:57,495
It yeah, it's bullshit too.

1182
01:16:57,495 --> 01:16:58,086
I only

1183
01:16:58,086 --> 01:17:01,786
have like w like my god, don't even get me started man.

1184
01:17:01,786 --> 01:17:03,477
But anyways.

1185
01:17:04,337 --> 01:17:09,538
Micron unveiled their five hundred and twelve gig module.

1186
01:17:09,538 --> 01:17:12,399
runs at ninety two hundred megahertz I believe it is.

1187
01:17:12,799 --> 01:17:16,620
Yeah, it like it's all on one stick.

1188
01:17:16,620 --> 01:17:22,651
One of these sticks has more memory than like my steam my my launch LCD Steam Deck.

1189
01:17:22,651 --> 01:17:24,171
That's crazy to me.

1190
01:17:24,985 --> 01:17:29,175
Of like storage b like MVME compared to like RAM.

1191
01:17:29,175 --> 01:17:29,967
~

1192
01:17:29,967 --> 01:17:30,848
at this.

1193
01:17:30,950 --> 01:17:34,878
They would have never made this had we just lived in the same economy.

1194
01:17:35,687 --> 01:17:36,528
No, they probably would've.

1195
01:17:36,528 --> 01:17:39,750
Like, naturally we would have kept on going up and up.

1196
01:17:39,750 --> 01:17:41,372
I mean, I don't know when they would have made it.

1197
01:17:41,372 --> 01:17:51,020
This is obviously more well, you wanna I don't know, like I'd say this is obviously for
for ~ AI, but I don't know.

1198
01:17:51,582 --> 01:17:52,427
Maybe.

1199
01:17:52,427 --> 01:17:53,033
The

1200
01:17:53,033 --> 01:17:53,874
Could you

1201
01:17:53,874 --> 01:17:55,072
go back up to the picture?

1202
01:17:55,072 --> 01:17:58,301
I was I want to count the little chips on the ~

1203
01:17:58,301 --> 01:17:59,366
yeah, here.

1204
01:17:59,616 --> 01:18:02,920
So it's ten packages.

1205
01:18:03,041 --> 01:18:05,603
So yeah, twenty packages, yeah.

1206
01:18:05,945 --> 01:18:12,444
And then you have the controller here, I presume, and then I mean there's probably more in
the back too, truth be told.

1207
01:18:12,444 --> 01:18:14,696
It's probably one of those double sided dims.

1208
01:18:15,137 --> 01:18:16,018
Yeah, so

1209
01:18:16,018 --> 01:18:17,359
let's say forty.

1210
01:18:17,990 --> 01:18:19,553
~ Lord.

1211
01:18:19,970 --> 01:18:20,833
So it

1212
01:18:20,833 --> 01:18:21,880
I want it.

1213
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:22,640
No.

1214
01:18:23,064 --> 01:18:23,785
So one of

1215
01:18:23,785 --> 01:18:26,678
these takes up sixteen watts.

1216
01:18:26,879 --> 01:18:28,866
Which is a lot.

1217
01:18:28,866 --> 01:18:29,256
wow.

1218
01:18:29,256 --> 01:18:29,457
lot.

1219
01:18:29,457 --> 01:18:30,183
Yeah.

1220
01:18:30,183 --> 01:18:32,015
A lot for like a single stick of memory.

1221
01:18:32,015 --> 01:18:33,537
Like

1222
01:18:33,537 --> 01:18:35,960
how much is a like how much does a normal stick of memory take?

1223
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:37,632
I don't remember that off the top off the top my head.

1224
01:18:37,632 --> 01:18:40,596
Like a standard 16 gig stick.

1225
01:18:40,596 --> 01:18:41,147
Let's find out.

1226
01:18:41,147 --> 01:18:42,607
Hold on, let me look it up.

1227
01:18:42,607 --> 01:18:45,539
a little above the target of what the steam deck.

1228
01:18:45,539 --> 01:18:46,473
Ha ha.

1229
01:18:46,630 --> 01:18:49,212
~ no fifteen it

1230
01:18:49,212 --> 01:18:50,732
runs at fifteen watts.

1231
01:18:50,732 --> 01:18:51,874
That's crazy.

1232
01:18:51,874 --> 01:18:54,735
See DDR5

1233
01:18:54,735 --> 01:18:56,817
power use watts.

1234
01:18:56,947 --> 01:18:57,905
let's find out.

1235
01:18:57,905 --> 01:19:00,400
than a steam deck, power wise, literally.

1236
01:19:01,592 --> 01:19:04,568
Pff ~ I can't find the value in watts.

1237
01:19:04,568 --> 01:19:11,790
~ perhaps I'm just let's see it says three watts of power for every eight gigs of DDR
three or four.

1238
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:14,233
I don't know if that's accurate for D R five.

1239
01:19:14,533 --> 01:19:17,097
I don't know if that's up to date.

1240
01:19:17,392 --> 01:19:22,014
but I'm sure it's a lot less than like Yeah, way less.

1241
01:19:22,014 --> 01:19:25,746
Yeah, so that's a lot of frickin' power for memory, man.

1242
01:19:25,746 --> 01:19:32,579
I mean realistically, you could get two of these, stick in your PC, you'd have a terabyte
of memory.

1243
01:19:34,804 --> 01:19:38,260
Yeah you can steal you can steal one of these sticks, you can desolder

1244
01:19:38,260 --> 01:19:43,452
the RAM, and then you can sell each desoldered RAM back to the data centers for way more
probably.

1245
01:19:43,452 --> 01:19:45,072
Dude, that would be awesome.

1246
01:19:45,313 --> 01:19:47,555
if it's data centers, they can just use this whole cell.

1247
01:19:47,555 --> 01:19:51,328
Like this is very useful for data centers 'cause it's all VM based.

1248
01:19:51,328 --> 01:19:56,402
So it Yeah.

1249
01:19:57,023 --> 01:19:57,804
I wonder how much this

1250
01:19:57,804 --> 01:19:59,175
how much would this cost though?

1251
01:19:59,175 --> 01:20:02,927
Is this like a twenty thousand dollar RAM stick or something?

1252
01:20:03,458 --> 01:20:10,976
well the two hundred and fifty six gig modules, like half of this, costs I believe like
sixteen thousand.

1253
01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:12,320
Show

1254
01:20:12,824 --> 01:20:14,137
I think it's set out of the bottom.

1255
01:20:14,137 --> 01:20:14,367
it wrong.

1256
01:20:14,367 --> 01:20:16,539
It was nineteen thousand.

1257
01:20:20,223 --> 01:20:21,764
Yeah, so like

1258
01:20:22,145 --> 01:20:24,366
I can imagine more than double the price.

1259
01:20:24,827 --> 01:20:27,008
A lot more than double the price I would imagine.

1260
01:20:27,258 --> 01:20:31,161
So like shit man, that that man.

1261
01:20:32,123 --> 01:20:33,984
Twelve terabytes of fast memory.

1262
01:20:33,984 --> 01:20:38,238
Imagine having that much like I don't even have that much storage in my computer.

1263
01:20:38,238 --> 01:20:42,333
Or or across all of my Naz or across all of my computers in my house.

1264
01:20:42,854 --> 01:20:45,176
Even though like realistically I should.

1265
01:20:45,317 --> 01:20:50,643
Stupid stupid bubble preventing me from building out my Naz of my dreams.

1266
01:20:51,254 --> 01:20:53,345
I had so many projects planned.

1267
01:20:53,605 --> 01:20:54,656
So many projects planned.

1268
01:20:54,656 --> 01:20:57,598
I just didn't have the quite have the money saved up for yet.

1269
01:20:57,598 --> 01:21:00,239
And then Ramp Hop Club started.

1270
01:21:00,239 --> 01:21:02,310
And I was like, okay, cool.

1271
01:21:02,310 --> 01:21:04,651
I guess yeah, 'cause I same thing, NAS.

1272
01:21:04,651 --> 01:21:11,775
I w I want to get all I have all this media that I need to put onto it, and I just I'm not
gonna spend

1273
01:21:11,775 --> 01:21:12,710
that much money to do it.

1274
01:21:12,710 --> 01:21:14,857
I know eventually things are gonna go down.

1275
01:21:14,857 --> 01:21:16,578
They they're gonna have to.

1276
01:21:17,119 --> 01:21:18,339
People can't

1277
01:21:18,783 --> 01:21:19,964
afford these prices for that long.

1278
01:21:19,964 --> 01:21:29,554
It's gonna just either the companies are gonna collapse and we're gonna get some like
Phoenix companies that come out from the graves or it's just gonna be really rough, so

1279
01:21:29,683 --> 01:21:30,701
yeah.

1280
01:21:30,701 --> 01:21:31,602
Yeah.

1281
01:21:31,644 --> 01:21:32,285
You can't be

1282
01:21:32,285 --> 01:21:34,896
you can't have a B to B co economy forever.

1283
01:21:34,896 --> 01:21:36,556
It's just unsustainable.

1284
01:21:36,556 --> 01:21:37,315
So

1285
01:21:37,315 --> 01:21:46,920
Yeah, eventually 'cause like well, maybe you can 'cause and this is more for the the bonus
episode kind of stuff, but like ~ capital.

1286
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:58,106
We are at a level where the Great Depression of capital being in in corporations and
businesses and and individuals are s are so lopsided compared to consumers that it's

1287
01:21:58,106 --> 01:22:00,567
that's why I think B B to B is so big now.

1288
01:22:00,688 --> 01:22:05,110
Consumers are just royally, royally screwed over right now.

1289
01:22:05,110 --> 01:22:06,711
And so we'll see.

1290
01:22:06,795 --> 01:22:08,565
We'll see how it handles.

1291
01:22:08,565 --> 01:22:09,829
So yeah.

1292
01:22:09,829 --> 01:22:13,982
speaking of being defeated, have you guys seen this?

1293
01:22:14,232 --> 01:22:19,968
So they open AI had Chat GPT six, Astra, play Minecraft.

1294
01:22:20,330 --> 01:22:29,481
It spent hours playing the game but then it got blown up by a creeper and then it just
spent the remaining the remainder of its time just being wildly paranoid of monsters and

1295
01:22:29,481 --> 01:22:30,902
farming potatoes.

1296
01:22:31,843 --> 01:22:33,906
The A AGI right here.

1297
01:22:33,906 --> 01:22:35,489
This is this is me in

1298
01:22:35,489 --> 01:22:36,409
a game.

1299
01:22:36,450 --> 01:22:39,234
Once I die, then I'm paranoid.

1300
01:22:40,197 --> 01:22:40,938
It gave it

1301
01:22:40,938 --> 01:22:45,685
essentially gave it anxiety, like extreme anxiety.

1302
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:50,590
Man now I feel bad for the AI.

1303
01:22:50,590 --> 01:22:55,145
Is this We wow we really have an AGI, haven't we?

1304
01:22:55,395 --> 01:22:57,436
Astra's pretty good if you haven't used it yet.

1305
01:22:57,436 --> 01:22:58,197
I've used it.

1306
01:22:58,197 --> 01:23:07,978
~ I'm part of the problem, but you know, I I'll I'll t I'll guess I'll just suffer the
consequences one day, but ~ Astra's pretty good.

1307
01:23:07,978 --> 01:23:10,172
that's gotta be expensive though, isn't it?

1308
01:23:10,172 --> 01:23:11,339
I'm sure it's not cheap.

1309
01:23:11,339 --> 01:23:12,316
expensive.

1310
01:23:12,316 --> 01:23:14,258
Like how expensive are we talking?

1311
01:23:14,974 --> 01:23:17,335
Let's just say I'm writing it off on my business taxes.

1312
01:23:17,335 --> 01:23:18,026
Expensive.

1313
01:23:18,026 --> 01:23:27,761
So ~ no, it is r like so you can get the two hundred dollar plan, which is the max plan,
and then you have to just eat into the API usage.

1314
01:23:27,761 --> 01:23:30,053
~ and the API usage is really expensive.

1315
01:23:30,053 --> 01:23:32,404
So in comparison,

1316
01:23:32,404 --> 01:23:34,935
Fable is probably a c a good comparison.

1317
01:23:34,935 --> 01:23:36,116
Fable is just as expensive.

1318
01:23:36,116 --> 01:23:43,380
So if let's say I just worked on my projects on Fable or Astra for a week, it would ca ~

1319
01:23:43,380 --> 01:23:46,916
I would eat the usage in like two or three days of the two hundred dollar plan.

1320
01:23:46,916 --> 01:23:48,458
It's really expensive.

1321
01:23:48,708 --> 01:23:55,361
Dude, my company just gave us access to Synthrio and I have no idea what I'm supposed to
do with it, truth be told.

1322
01:23:55,416 --> 01:23:56,844
I don't even know what it is.

1323
01:23:56,844 --> 01:23:58,008
Me neither.

1324
01:23:58,008 --> 01:23:59,340
So it's like

1325
01:23:59,590 --> 01:24:02,737
Wow, there's no about page in this there it is.

1326
01:24:02,987 --> 01:24:04,670
So it's like an enterprise like AI.

1327
01:24:04,670 --> 01:24:07,876
It gives us access to a bunch of different models at once and like

1328
01:24:07,876 --> 01:24:08,477
Yeah.

1329
01:24:08,477 --> 01:24:17,246
It's a r it's like a AI router, so it has you you pay for the the the axis and then they
have models that you can then utilize.

1330
01:24:17,246 --> 01:24:18,415
Like yeah.

1331
01:24:18,421 --> 01:24:21,716
Yeah, I mean I don't pay for it, thank God.

1332
01:24:21,716 --> 01:24:25,922
I would never I don't think I'd ever pay for it or something like that, but like my
company pays for it, so like why not, right?

1333
01:24:25,922 --> 01:24:29,473
I figured I'd mess around with AI for a little bit.

1334
01:24:29,473 --> 01:24:31,095
it how it can replace your job.

1335
01:24:31,095 --> 01:24:33,337
Like, hey, can you replace my job more?

1336
01:24:33,337 --> 01:24:35,739
So I can just get paid without doing anything.

1337
01:24:35,739 --> 01:24:39,702
But you're like an on site technician, so that's that's harder.

1338
01:24:39,702 --> 01:24:40,447
more difficult.

1339
01:24:40,447 --> 01:24:42,697
Yeah, I've got that job security.

1340
01:24:43,199 --> 01:24:51,273
Maybe you could have it drive you to the place, get it a self driving kit, and then you
can have it

1341
01:24:51,495 --> 01:24:53,810
I could like I could like let my car drive

1342
01:24:53,810 --> 01:24:56,475
itself while I play like my video games in the backseat.

1343
01:24:56,475 --> 01:24:57,806
That'd be awesome.

1344
01:24:58,208 --> 01:25:00,192
Yeah, well if it's anything like Astra

1345
01:25:00,192 --> 01:25:00,933
one?

1346
01:25:01,451 --> 01:25:02,292
sorry.

1347
01:25:02,454 --> 01:25:03,029
Well what's it?

1348
01:25:03,029 --> 01:25:06,774
was I was gonna ask have you ever rode a Waymo, any of you?

1349
01:25:07,101 --> 01:25:07,939
I don't

1350
01:25:07,939 --> 01:25:09,569
no, I don't think I have.

1351
01:25:10,185 --> 01:25:11,377
I'm I'm in Utah,

1352
01:25:11,377 --> 01:25:12,910
so I'm pretty close to California.

1353
01:25:12,910 --> 01:25:15,445
Maybe next time I'm in California without my family.

1354
01:25:15,445 --> 01:25:18,631
I didn't want to I didn't want to do it with my family 'cause I was there not too long
ago,

1355
01:25:18,631 --> 01:25:20,618
but maybe.

1356
01:25:20,618 --> 01:25:22,943
family in a way too, to be honest.

1357
01:25:24,209 --> 01:25:24,929
I'd try it out.

1358
01:25:24,929 --> 01:25:27,251
the Waymo more than most Uber drivers.

1359
01:25:27,251 --> 01:25:27,596
I

1360
01:25:27,596 --> 01:25:27,937
think

1361
01:25:27,937 --> 01:25:35,133
I trust a Waymo more than an Uber driver in in California, probably.

1362
01:25:35,197 --> 01:25:36,039
That's fair enough.

1363
01:25:36,039 --> 01:25:37,321
That's fair enough.

1364
01:25:37,484 --> 01:25:38,246
Are they in other

1365
01:25:38,246 --> 01:25:40,500
states besides California?

1366
01:25:40,750 --> 01:25:43,493
starting to pop up here in Florida, central Florida.

1367
01:25:43,493 --> 01:25:50,026
are they well, yeah, places where they they're ~ I think the laws kind of allow for or
they get a little loose or they put in.

1368
01:25:50,026 --> 01:25:51,367
I could see Florida.

1369
01:25:51,367 --> 01:25:54,918
I could see potentially Texas, but Texas is also kind of weird with that type of stuff.

1370
01:25:54,918 --> 01:26:02,812
But California's for sure where like all the tech companies are, and I think Waymo is
themselves, and so I don't

1371
01:26:02,972 --> 01:26:04,433
actually I should look it up.

1372
01:26:04,433 --> 01:26:05,208
Now I'm kinda curious.

1373
01:26:05,208 --> 01:26:09,915
You got me curious because like Utah is getting more and more that way too.

1374
01:26:10,136 --> 01:26:10,966
Yeah.

1375
01:26:11,347 --> 01:26:13,569
No, it it was I was quite impressed with it.

1376
01:26:13,569 --> 01:26:18,634
~ I went for a work thing and I was recording footage for it.

1377
01:26:18,634 --> 01:26:28,052
And I took the Waymo back to my hotel and I got to put my headset on the backseat, work on
my laptop, edit the video while a self driving car is just driving me.

1378
01:26:28,052 --> 01:26:29,734
Like it felt so futuristic.

1379
01:26:29,734 --> 01:26:31,609
It was quite crazy.

1380
01:26:31,609 --> 01:26:31,810
you

1381
01:26:31,810 --> 01:26:36,315
don't have to worry about like the driver shanking you or anything or taking you somewhere
Like if they takes

1382
01:26:36,315 --> 01:26:39,890
you somewhere bad it's because it either got hacked or it just made a mistake.

1383
01:26:39,890 --> 01:26:41,951
It's not gonna do something nefarious.

1384
01:26:42,173 --> 01:26:43,014
I need to stop

1385
01:26:43,014 --> 01:26:50,883
watching and listening to stories on like Uber drivers and all that other stuff, like
horror stories, so Yeah, way more all the way.

1386
01:26:50,883 --> 01:26:51,815
Don't worry.

1387
01:26:51,815 --> 01:26:55,840
They're gonna replace Uber drivers with Uber AI drivers.

1388
01:26:56,090 --> 01:26:57,487
They're they're all trained on Uber

1389
01:26:57,487 --> 01:26:59,460
drivers, so like

1390
01:26:59,460 --> 01:27:10,376
No, that's actually funny enough, I think that's where a lot of the data goes for Uber
driving, for any data that's being collected, it's obviously being sold.

1391
01:27:10,797 --> 01:27:14,029
There data is key, especially that type of data is key.

1392
01:27:14,029 --> 01:27:16,740
It is really expensive data to get.

1393
01:27:16,850 --> 01:27:25,956
~ and I even think like Tesla data, who knows what like I'm sure Elon wants to like hoard
that type of data.

1394
01:27:26,298 --> 01:27:30,061
But I'm sure even that he's probably even maybe outsourced a little bit.

1395
01:27:30,061 --> 01:27:42,952
But you're the thing that pisses me off about the Tesla one is that th I've th they put a
paywall on it now where I he's g you have to pay for the self driving and I guarantee you

1396
01:27:42,952 --> 01:27:45,263
he benefits so much more from that.

1397
01:27:45,263 --> 01:27:45,901
So

1398
01:27:45,901 --> 01:27:47,082
Yeah, that's true.

1399
01:27:47,082 --> 01:27:48,003
Yeah.

1400
01:27:48,253 --> 01:27:49,473
well, whatever.

1401
01:27:49,473 --> 01:27:50,638
He it's Elon.

1402
01:27:50,638 --> 01:27:51,460
What can you expect?

1403
01:27:51,460 --> 01:27:53,556
He cheats at Path of Exile too.

1404
01:27:53,556 --> 01:27:55,064
What more can you expect from him?

1405
01:27:55,064 --> 01:27:57,468
You're really bitter about him cheating at that.

1406
01:27:58,360 --> 01:27:58,814
~

1407
01:27:58,814 --> 01:27:59,901
~ Lord.

1408
01:27:59,901 --> 01:28:01,206
I don't know.

1409
01:28:01,874 --> 01:28:08,328
I think that should be like a litmus test to like get executed if you just say you you
frickin' cheat at a video game like that.

1410
01:28:08,328 --> 01:28:09,099
I don't know, man.

1411
01:28:09,099 --> 01:28:13,922
I mean that's a very harsh take, but like how narcissistic do you have to be?

1412
01:28:13,922 --> 01:28:17,785
Like, no, I don't I don't pay anyone to to like dude, you're a billionaire, that's

1413
01:28:17,785 --> 01:28:18,719
fine if you pay for someone.

1414
01:28:18,719 --> 01:28:20,866
Just don't wi like why lie about it.

1415
01:28:21,487 --> 01:28:22,288
You don't have time.

1416
01:28:22,288 --> 01:28:23,008
Either you don't

1417
01:28:23,008 --> 01:28:28,112
like if you have that much time, you shouldn't be a CEO or

1418
01:28:28,112 --> 01:28:29,373
or we shouldn't have CEOs.

1419
01:28:29,373 --> 01:28:29,873
I don't know.

1420
01:28:29,873 --> 01:28:31,914
I I think there's a a cause

1421
01:28:32,137 --> 01:28:33,369
he of I don't know, man.

1422
01:28:33,369 --> 01:28:40,900
Apparently he's good enough to where he can attend like a ~ a government function and play
Path of Exile too at the same time.

1423
01:28:41,787 --> 01:28:44,848
Yeah, don't he's making the case and I joke.

1424
01:28:44,848 --> 01:28:47,759
I don't think it I don't think anyone should get executed, by the way.

1425
01:28:47,759 --> 01:28:56,251
But like he does not make a good case for CEOs because he he's a CEO of like three or four
companies, and then he was doing the Doge thing.

1426
01:28:56,251 --> 01:28:57,531
Like I don't know.

1427
01:28:57,531 --> 01:29:06,903
I don't know if he does much in those companies, so he's he he's made me super bitter
against him, especially because like he hit the software world a couple years ago and he

1428
01:29:06,903 --> 01:29:10,474
made it like standardized for like layoffs, and I was a part of one of those, so

1429
01:29:11,066 --> 01:29:12,346
I have a beef, so don't worry.

1430
01:29:12,346 --> 01:29:13,372
Don't worry.

1431
01:29:13,372 --> 01:29:19,626
If anyone's listening or anyone here, like I have a little bit of a beef against him
against just on that principle alone.

1432
01:29:19,626 --> 01:29:20,386
But

1433
01:29:20,678 --> 01:29:21,459
Yes.

1434
01:29:21,459 --> 01:29:25,681
And for our final topic of the day, the EU.

1435
01:29:25,982 --> 01:29:32,038
Child ~ social media child protection rules requires all social media accounts to produce
state ID.

1436
01:29:32,306 --> 01:29:35,528
And ~ from what I've read, this is how it's gonna work.

1437
01:29:35,729 --> 01:29:40,351
So the EU has a little like authenticator app that you use.

1438
01:29:40,992 --> 01:29:49,638
And then you use that app to authenticate with ~ whatever social media platforms and then
apparently they never see your ID, but like, you know.

1439
01:29:49,888 --> 01:29:59,427
There needs to be a if they're if if all these governments are never gonna do it, they
need to do it like have a secure device authentication version of this, not put your stuff

1440
01:29:59,427 --> 01:29:59,968
on servers.

1441
01:29:59,968 --> 01:30:01,509
It's really really stupid.

1442
01:30:01,509 --> 01:30:05,763
Like we know governments have like the worst websites and like safety protocols for this
crap.

1443
01:30:05,763 --> 01:30:06,883
Like, come on.

1444
01:30:07,144 --> 01:30:08,085
So insane.

1445
01:30:08,085 --> 01:30:08,985
Whatever.

1446
01:30:09,793 --> 01:30:10,070
Yeah,

1447
01:30:10,070 --> 01:30:10,870
I mean

1448
01:30:10,870 --> 01:30:13,921
have some of the best and worst security, it's kinda funny.

1449
01:30:14,184 --> 01:30:15,157
Yeah.

1450
01:30:15,310 --> 01:30:22,012
Well I'm sure for anything military based they have the best security, but like for like
citizens, well they used to, but like

1451
01:30:22,012 --> 01:30:22,752
used to.

1452
01:30:22,752 --> 01:30:30,075
Introducing AI the way they did, I think I think we've royally just fucked up the whole
American security system.

1453
01:30:30,075 --> 01:30:30,928
bonus episode.

1454
01:30:30,928 --> 01:30:33,224
We'll talk more about that in the bonus episode.

1455
01:30:33,299 --> 01:30:34,630
yeah, yeah, yeah.

1456
01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:43,497
I think this was born out of a necessity, ~ of how much youth is getting just r ruined.

1457
01:30:43,497 --> 01:30:50,002
They're l they're being r it's just ruined by social media and there's not enough
regulation, but I don't know if this is the right answer.

1458
01:30:50,002 --> 01:30:53,085
It's just this is what's gonna happen when we don't properly

1459
01:30:53,085 --> 01:30:53,415
do it.

1460
01:30:53,415 --> 01:30:58,549
I don't yeah, we'll be interested to see actually if this actually helps anything, but

1461
01:30:58,799 --> 01:31:09,129
Yeah, I mean it would g I mean the problem is kids will probably start flocking away like
kids that want social media but you know they can't get on like Twitter or Facebook or

1462
01:31:09,129 --> 01:31:18,348
whatever or TikTok even I feel like they're gonna start going to other places that, you
know, maybe aren't under the protection of the EU and maybe don't really care all that

1463
01:31:18,348 --> 01:31:20,530
much about legality.

1464
01:31:20,780 --> 01:31:21,590
I mean that I feel like

1465
01:31:21,590 --> 01:31:22,481
that's what's

1466
01:31:22,610 --> 01:31:25,409
Yeah, as being once a youth back in my day.

1467
01:31:25,409 --> 01:31:27,923
~ you know, you'll find a way d if you want

1468
01:31:27,923 --> 01:31:28,443
to do something.

1469
01:31:28,443 --> 01:31:29,753
You'll find a way.

1470
01:31:29,974 --> 01:31:37,097
Putting it making some of this friction though could help ~ with it, but it's just it'll
be interesting.

1471
01:31:37,418 --> 01:31:47,883
I think both sides on this have good takes on why or why not, but at the end of the day we
need I I do think we need something.

1472
01:31:47,883 --> 01:31:49,364
I just don't know.

1473
01:31:49,614 --> 01:31:50,386
I don't know.

1474
01:31:50,386 --> 01:31:50,919
We'll see.

1475
01:31:50,919 --> 01:31:55,323
problem is that it also it doesn't just affect kids though, it affects us as well.

1476
01:31:56,044 --> 01:31:57,402
Well, I guess not us 'cause

1477
01:31:57,402 --> 01:32:06,276
we don't live in the EU, but like if this were to happen in the US, it would definitely
affect us too, and the the last place and yeah, knowing the government, the last place the

1478
01:32:06,276 --> 01:32:09,739
last place I trust my ID with is with fucking Facebook.

1479
01:32:09,740 --> 01:32:12,122
I'd rather just close my account down.

1480
01:32:12,804 --> 01:32:13,293
So,

1481
01:32:13,293 --> 01:32:14,066
they did

1482
01:32:15,135 --> 01:32:16,165
yeah, sorry.

1483
01:32:16,165 --> 01:32:19,507
~ just a little like it's going to propagate out to here.

1484
01:32:19,507 --> 01:32:25,419
Anytime that California or the EU is affected, it usually propagates out to other people
just because it's easier to put that on.

1485
01:32:25,419 --> 01:32:27,560
That the just implement everything.

1486
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:29,361
Like, this is usually how goes.

1487
01:32:31,202 --> 01:32:34,843
For this, I'm not against putting my ID.

1488
01:32:34,843 --> 01:32:40,066
I don't want it to be tied to my free speech, is the problem.

1489
01:32:40,066 --> 01:32:40,977
And so

1490
01:32:40,977 --> 01:32:52,926
They want to do a verification step for my and I don't know how you disconnect both of
them, but there are ID systems that work with the government that you they don't have to

1491
01:32:52,926 --> 01:32:55,738
keep your ID that they can verify who you are.

1492
01:32:55,738 --> 01:32:56,699
Maybe that could work.

1493
01:32:56,699 --> 01:32:58,099
I don't know how well.

1494
01:32:58,320 --> 01:33:06,886
But it it does hurt free speech, but at the same time, I I think free speech on the
internet is kind of

1495
01:33:07,270 --> 01:33:10,022
killed itself by being so frickin' horrible.

1496
01:33:10,022 --> 01:33:11,072
So I don't know.

1497
01:33:11,072 --> 01:33:20,177
I I have such a hard take on both these sides where I'm just like, I wanna be open, but at
the same time I think we've kind of lost the right to be open.

1498
01:33:20,537 --> 01:33:21,552
So I don't know.

1499
01:33:21,552 --> 01:33:27,968
free like free speech in America, not to be all political and all, but free speech in
America did come with a bunch of caveats.

1500
01:33:28,159 --> 01:33:34,522
you can't run to a you can't run into a public place and yell fire and then, you know and
then expect to get away with it.

1501
01:33:34,522 --> 01:33:39,140
But on the internet, you can do the equivalent of that multiple times over.

1502
01:33:39,341 --> 01:33:40,100
And because

1503
01:33:40,100 --> 01:33:40,851
with it sometimes.

1504
01:33:40,851 --> 01:33:43,052
Like you ca there's certain things you cannot say.

1505
01:33:43,052 --> 01:33:51,567
And if you do it a little bit too much, there's multiple ti people that have gotten
arrested and put in jail because they've threatened you know, president's life and stuff

1506
01:33:51,567 --> 01:33:51,868
like that.

1507
01:33:51,868 --> 01:33:54,689
Like there you there are consequences still on the internet.

1508
01:33:54,689 --> 01:33:56,220
People don't understand that.

1509
01:33:56,220 --> 01:33:58,842
Swatting is another one of those, is a huge consequence.

1510
01:33:58,842 --> 01:34:01,023
It there needs and honestly, it needs to be more of a consequence.

1511
01:34:01,023 --> 01:34:03,925
But yeah, it's there are consequences.

1512
01:34:03,985 --> 01:34:05,768
People just don't realize it.

1513
01:34:05,771 --> 01:34:09,554
they have the tech to figure out who like calls all these peop like swatters too.

1514
01:34:09,554 --> 01:34:16,039
I mean it shouldn't take the death of someone to for there to be justice for like against
swatting people.

1515
01:34:16,039 --> 01:34:20,302
And like that's that's also the scarier part about like being doxxed and everything too.

1516
01:34:20,302 --> 01:34:23,984
It's the fact that A, your personal information's out there, not a great sign.

1517
01:34:23,984 --> 01:34:30,228
B someone could make a false claim and get you swatted and like you may die.

1518
01:34:31,009 --> 01:34:32,410
People have died.

1519
01:34:32,605 --> 01:34:33,345
Yeah, yeah.

1520
01:34:33,345 --> 01:34:38,926
'Cause if you made like if if you're getting broken into, you don't know if it and if s
like, I don't know, I'd probably end up

1521
01:34:38,926 --> 01:34:41,717
dying if someone broken in broke in with a a gun.

1522
01:34:41,717 --> 01:34:49,299
But y some people are gonna have a gun and they're gonna react quickly and they're gonna
get shot and killed thinking it's just an intruder unless they really announce themselves

1523
01:34:49,299 --> 01:34:49,610
well.

1524
01:34:49,610 --> 01:34:52,440
But we've noticed that like police don't do that very well sometimes.

1525
01:34:52,440 --> 01:34:59,002
So once again we're getting polit like it's not necessarily political, but it's getting a
little more more political, but

1526
01:35:00,304 --> 01:35:01,496
Yeah.

1527
01:35:01,699 --> 01:35:05,650
Well, with that said, I don't ha I don't have it mu I don't have much more to say on this
~ topic.

1528
01:35:05,650 --> 01:35:07,273
Do you have anything to say, guys?

1529
01:35:08,218 --> 01:35:10,916
I think w we're gonna have to pick this up in the bonus episode.

1530
01:35:11,413 --> 01:35:12,092
Yeah.

1531
01:35:12,092 --> 01:35:12,614
Fair enough.

1532
01:35:12,614 --> 01:35:14,149
~ how about y

1533
01:35:14,149 --> 01:35:19,165
any last words for our viewers before we move on to the ~ bonus episode?

1534
01:35:22,431 --> 01:35:27,936
I probably should have been ~ banned from saying the Valve Decker is real for five years,
to be honest.

1535
01:35:27,936 --> 01:35:30,178
That free speech was a little too far, so

1536
01:35:30,178 --> 01:35:30,936
Whoa.

1537
01:35:30,936 --> 01:35:32,547
You know what, I agree with you.

1538
01:35:32,547 --> 01:35:33,566
You should get banned.

1539
01:35:33,566 --> 01:35:34,889
~ no.

1540
01:35:34,889 --> 01:35:36,230
I don't care about that type of stuff.

1541
01:35:36,230 --> 01:35:39,182
I don't like I want f I want free speech

1542
01:35:39,182 --> 01:35:45,816
to an extent, but there's ~ there's l some limitations, at least on the internet, like
platforms wise.

1543
01:35:45,976 --> 01:35:51,173
Either have a platform be completely free or have it be mon like actually, I don't know.

1544
01:35:51,173 --> 01:35:55,002
That's there's a lot of laws on this, but yeah, that's my take.

1545
01:35:55,002 --> 01:35:57,845
~ a anything

1546
01:35:57,845 --> 01:36:00,536
you wanna ~ I guess we are you already promoted it.

1547
01:36:00,786 --> 01:36:01,357
on Twitter.

1548
01:36:01,357 --> 01:36:05,083
We'll we'll we'll add your stuff into the description.

1549
01:36:05,083 --> 01:36:15,012
So if you want to come ~ follow Sadly with Bradley's ~ Twitter or X not to not to

1550
01:36:15,012 --> 01:36:17,364
just talking about this.

1551
01:36:17,665 --> 01:36:19,447
That's funny.

1552
01:36:19,655 --> 01:36:22,210
That was pr that's a perfect segue actually.

1553
01:36:22,314 --> 01:36:23,104
Yeah.

1554
01:36:23,354 --> 01:36:24,147
Yep.

1555
01:36:24,154 --> 01:36:25,526
Sally's Bradley X.

1556
01:36:25,526 --> 01:36:25,937
stuff.

1557
01:36:25,937 --> 01:36:28,138
Yep, so much good stuff over there.

1558
01:36:28,138 --> 01:36:37,294
I've seen so much of your stuff on VR, on Twit I don't even get on Twitter an X that much,
but I get on it enough to where I see it 'cause I like VR.

1559
01:36:37,294 --> 01:36:42,357
Like so yeah, it's good wealth of information if you ~ follow over there.

1560
01:36:42,854 --> 01:36:43,673
Thank you.

1561
01:36:43,673 --> 01:36:46,269
Alright, you guys all right, you guys take care now.

1562
01:36:46,269 --> 01:36:47,521
You have a good day.

1563
01:36:47,929 --> 01:36:49,252
Pizza Leder.

1564
01:36:49,252 --> 01:36:50,193
Later.