Welcome back to Off the Console, the
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nerdy, geeky, whatever you want to talk
about or we talk about.
And with me today, I
have Gardner and Hi-Tech.
And we have a couple of topics that we're
going to be talking about, including
Grand Theft Auto 6 not coming out for a
little while longer.
A little bit of union busting, maybe if
it's affecting that, exactly.
Soja boy is back to his old tricks.
And then we have a bunch of other good
news, including Monopoly.
It looks like Steam is playing the
McDonald's Monopoly game.
So yeah, let's jump into this.
Gardner, what have you been playing?
Hmm Oh
It was a game cube exclusive for like a
year or two and then it went to ps2 I'll
tell you what it was really hard to play
it on the ps2 even though It was the
controls are much better than I think the
gamecube controls But like I don't know I
got so used to the gamecube controls with
that game So it's still the only way I
can play Resident Evil 4.
I just don't feel like it's aged well
except for on the gamecube
The remake does but like picking it up.
Yeah, no I tried picking up a couple
years ago before the remake and Just like
I did beat it, but it
was it was a little rough
Even though is genre defining be like it
pretty much every action based game.
That's like Over their shoulder off to
the left or right whatever is Based on
those on Resident Evil 4
I think like it defined
Yeah, no the controls like if you want to
talk about progressive games Resident
Evil 4 is one of those ones that help
progress that type of thing and They
didn't patent doing that, you know,
that's back when we didn't patent just
having a little mechanic Did they now
I Really hate pads software I yell about
that every day or every week.
Um, okay anything else you've been doing
gardener anything
else you want to mention
You Kind of got that author
face going on now, so works.
Yeah, we're gonna we're expecting like a
Like this distinguish
a little bit of stress.
We're expecting a book soon
Yeah
Oh Yeah, hi tech what have you been up to
You
Are you so is this like the original DS X
or is this like the really master I
Thought there was multiple
No, so that's just I think that's the
original they have to they have a
remastered one on there
too, so you're doing the
Is it not out yeah, okay,
but it's on the store, okay
The original looks pretty ugly honestly
our Day one I played that game I loved it
but I would remember like not quite
understanding who what characters were
because I was like I can't tell what this
is this is a blob character, but
I Know the acting and some of the
character designs weren't great, but the
open world Mechanics and that were still
to this day Legendary, I think
I Think they ported it to Xbox I believe
Hmm yeah I'm just gonna say steaming push
should do a pretty good job of that
Oh
Oh Oh mods There's so I I wanted so much
shit and broke so much
shit my back in the day
Really oh Interesting
You
Okay
I Have not what is that?
You
That actually sounds kind of fun what
they need is like a doom mod where I can
play as doom guy Actually play as a good
main character I'm just kidding.
I'm gonna get some shape for that but
Sorry And I want
specifically the doom guy from Dark Ages
Have you beaten that game
have you finished it yeah
You
Well, yeah, but it's been out forever
like there's games that that well Most
games have come out
since I've been alive, but
There's games that came out that when I
was young I still be
later on I Know you're good.
You're just I think you put more time
into modding it than you did Then it
would have taken to
beat the game You're true.
You're you're a true modder.
You're true Tinker which is it is great.
It's funny I've done similar
Yeah, so well I so bring it back to me I
I Have been playing and finished Chronos.
So it's like the fifth game I
think I've beaten this year.
I'm actually on a roll of actually
beating but these are been longer like
Expedition 33 was I put like I think a
hundred hours almost into that thing
Chronos took more like 25
Around 25 to 30 hours and the worst part
about so Chronos is good I definitely
recommend anyone that like survival
horror if you do not like survival horror
or if you didn't like It's kind of like
Resident Evil meets some other type of
Silent Hill and stuff like that So if you
don't like those types of games
It's not to say dead space but the more
more I played it the more and more like
the mechanics felt like dead space but
And there was some kind of like almost
Gravity defying parts to it But it was
more supernatural in a lot of ways and so
it felt a little bit like Silent Hill and
a little bit like Resident Evil because
it's like they're goopy monsters
They're you know, there's on there
essentially zombies, but they're like
It's a virus, but they all kind of morph
into big glumps, which I guess actually
is more like dead space now I think about
it Yeah, we don't need
to go into all that lore.
I've done podcast episodes on the past on
another podcast on the lore of dead space
Love the game definitely recommend it to
people that like it It's annoying It's
one of those games where you finish it
and to get the true ending you have to
play it one through one more time Through
on the new game plus which I can respect
To a point, but I'm
still a little frustrated
And that's when I learned also I Be Alan
Wake 2 2 years ago and I realized that
The good ending is also another
playthrough and I need to go back and
play through that now So when I did some
research so frustrations all around It's
you delaying your video high-tech where
we talk about again because I feel like
it ever come out?
Yeah, they've said a lot of things
I Bleaking the game I yeah There's all
sorts of speculation.
It's a fucking nightmare with this
honestly, it's They must their project
managers for this game must be like
essentially the AI version of me Because
I I'm over ambitious and it takes me a
lot longer to get stuff done
I Can already tell that I can essentially
either be or beat up Florida man That
intrigues me on its own.
I hate to say it.
I don't want to support it And so maybe
I'll find a different way to play it But
because I really like the more and more I
get into this the union busting thing
which we'll get into it a little bit I
don't want to support them, but
It's interest
You It's streaming this will
be yeah, you're not wrong.
That's actually an interesting take is
Will streaming this be less popular
because you'll be demonetized more but
that's on YouTube I don't think twitch is
like that and twitch tends to be the
bigger the biggest streaming platform for
these types of years
Yeah
It could open up to a competitor more so
People like it could just make it so the
people go to more like tick-tock Just
take but I don't know does
tick-tock have the same violence
Policies
That's right
You
It's interesting it is very much like and
with how realistic it's gonna be and I'm
gonna throw a trailer on while we're
chatting About it cuz it's it's it's a it
really is just a next-level kind of game
But how realistic it's gonna be I think
it's gonna cause it even
more censorship on YouTube
Probably not twitch cuz twitch is
competing with kick and kick is already
like About as uncensored as you can get
which a lot of the kick streamers are
just like breaking the law and don't get
in trouble but Yeah, I love it
They should do know that they should have
been And not from kick but they should
have like It's what's his face.
He's an idiot, but he streamed porn live
and most of his viewers are under 18 like
that's not legal and And so at least get
a slap on the wrist, but I don't think he
got anything And so that was on kick on
twitch that would
probably be a pretty long ban
So
Yeah, this will probably be streamed a
lot and you'll probably get oh boy You'll
probably get a lot of stuff on twitch and
twitch clip twitch is actually moving
towards Clips and trying to compete with
both tick-tock and YouTube I haven't I
started streaming on twitch a little bit
more again In the past few weeks just
because I like to do every once while
it's fun and they have changed a lot.
So Twitch could be gearing up into the um
Compete with maybe Instagram tick-tock
Kind of con clipped content.
So we'll be
interested to see how that goes
Oh I the stuff video
stuff is kind of fun.
There's some stuff there's some stuff
that's kind of fun that I've watched in
the past on previous GTAs, but I could
also see YouTube just complete
Completely reworking their
policy again for this game.
I mean Rockstar has how much money they
could probably just convince
YouTube to change their mind
because it Then game companies oftentimes
complain about their games being played
and mainly they guess Japanese games
being played on YouTube but At the end of
the day, it really does help drive cells
To have people continually talk about it
and play games and show what's going on
on YouTube and twitch
and stuff like that.
It literally is free marketing
I I'll change my mind on this one a
little bit I think it really depends on
what type of game is coming out along
with GTA 6 because for me if let's say
I'm very different person though.
So half-life 3 or something like that
something that's just a different type of
game I would I would pick up because I
don't plan on picking up Grand Theft Auto
6 and For two reasons one it's gonna be
just for the consoles and I have a
console But I don't play these types of
games on the console because I like the
mod stuff really just have the ability to
but I Just don't want to
support it, you know day one
So I think some games should I the
problem is how many games how similar are
they to Grand Theft Auto?
I think some games might be able to get
away with it and actually maybe do well
Yeah
I Did that 1.0 release actually do much
because I I I feel like that game Hades I
I still need to play it.
I still haven't beat the first one.
That's why I haven't
played the second one is
For me when you release it in a mostly
complete state as early access That's the
release date for me.
And then if you shadow release it like
later on it kind of loses
some of its excitement Yeah
With with silk song you wouldn't want to
release another indie game in my opinion
around that time Grand Theft Auto, it's
probably more like you wouldn't want to
release like another triple-a Big game
around that time that's
especially similar to it.
Maybe more violent.
Maybe that's gonna be, you know
in the same genre same type, but I do
think maybe some indie games and some
other games would actually fare really
well releasing it around that time
because then it would Get
like I would probably buy it
But that's just uh,
that's just my take on it.
Um
so We hinted at a couple
things with the rock star
Laying off like 30 employees
That are on the GTA Like the GT
developers like right here more than 30
employees at GTA developer were fired for
sharing confidential information in
public form the Union says they were just
talking to labor organizers, which is
Pretty on like it's
It's tell as old as unions are old
Union busting do you have any more
information on this high tech?
I I I I think that's any time.
Okay, so how Union busting happens with
these companies they will throw as much
blame onto this type
of stuff as possible.
This is I
Any type of delays are gonna become
because be because of over In my opinion
if you saw that trailer is
because it's over ambitious.
They have a lot that they have to work
out I'm sure there's a lot of areas that
are super unoptimized because you you see
the realism there There's
reasons why this is delayed.
I Highly doubt unionizing had anything to
do with it it could maybe make a delay
because maybe they've been doing crunch
on and off for a couple of years now
because That's another thing why I bet
you they're unionizing.
I've seen it time and time again where
with development if they Like even in my
own development will have a set date We
push really hard and then the top brass
says, you know, we're not ready to
release this yet So, okay, we're gonna
push the date off Relax a little bit and
then we have to then push hard again.
We have to crunch and so you have
multiple crunch periods and then you get
kind of tired after the third time and it
happens all the time though sometimes the
higher-ups will put a little bit more
into the into the project like they'll
add another feature of with feature creep
like this is indicative of the software
development industry, so I'm just gonna
say fuck them like saying that it's it's
Union is I mean
unionization issues in my opinion
Sorry, we're on a little tender there
Yeah, I hope there's a lot
of discovery in that because
Yeah
All they probably have a lot of receipts
if they're starting to unionize they have
to write it down on paper And if pretty
much everyone that was that was signed up
for that union to unionize is on that
Paper that was oh, they also leaked
information I think
they're gonna have a strong case
To you need to either be rehired or
Rockstar gets heavily fine for union
busting, but it's crazy you Rockstar
alone is so successful and honestly
unions and gaming make more sense than
any other probably industry because
Unions tend to be equal power for the for
the Employees, right and so and they're
the ones making the game They're gonna
know what's best for the game typically
and higher-ups usually fuck it up.
So
We could go I could go
on all day about this but
Sorry, you guys have
anything else on this Union stuff
Well Golden parachutes for the higher-ups
so if they they royally fuck it up and
You know the script the game like dead
space is kind of just like this is where
really I go back to I know
all The time but it happened.
They a third of their
budget was in marketing
You don't do that with that type of game.
They have a cult following You don't need
to do much marketing
But you know the execs made it out fine
either if they got laid off they got laid
off with like if the exec got laid off
they had a golden parachute typically
where anyone else gets just royally
fucked and so I don't think I honestly
don't think I think unions would the only
thing you need to do would make games
better in my opinion hundred percent
Like and I
Unions is a weird one to like other
industries I could you know, you could
argue maybe like would it be that much
better for the End of product.
I don't know but like in this the end
product would be drastically better with
unions That's my final take on that
so I Think gamers need to start showing
their support if you want good games,
which everyone complains about we don't
we're not getting big games Then start
pushing for these triple for support for
unionization for these trip triple-a
title triple-a game companies
Bare-minem they can do it.
So that's my final take on it.
If you want good games
actually use your voice you know
you know who else is using their voice to
Again to promote stuff something that is
not his though this time or
every time So boy he's back
So Jaboy is back to his old tricks.
He's so interesting
I That's not here yep
The hustle probably
It might be the money it probably could
just be he wants his name
on something he wants to be
Known as something I guess maybe in
gaming maybe I don't I don't get it
Yeah, oh The 50 cent game
No
Well
The handheld is listed for four hundred
and thirty six dollars.
Holy shit, isn't this the
Isn't the flip right here, isn't that
only worth like a hundred
to two hundred around there?
I Can't share audio
No, I Can't do audio like it's unless I
break the whole thing that's
Just do you have to have audio for this?
Okay
I can share audio.
It just breaks up everything so I'd have
to break up the videos a bunch So if you
want me to I can do it
I Future
Nice being this
That's That's They were
having fun I can respect that but
I
Can have fun, but oh no, no, I couldn't
that was 16 years ago, that's crazy
I Yeah, I knew I Being sold without any
official licensing deal and he's done
this multiple times and he's gotten in
trouble multiple times.
I'm Shocked he keeps on trying it.
He could probably partner with one of
these companies and do it the right way.
He just doesn't
That's what that's it, right?
Yeah
Yeah stick a little card on here
I
Have a
bitter clap I'll go visit
Gardner and eat some lobster
I Don't he's mentioned this before it
doesn't it would make me cry I think not
cry but sad Because it sounds like the
puppy pound kind of thing No, they used
to Walmart I remember being a kid at
Walmart and they used to
have lobsters in the tanks
I Do it I Totally do it.
It's on my list to do one of these days.
I just have to get
through all my other shit Oh
Yeah, that would that would be fun
You could we could try like the cheapest
lobster and then go try one of the more I
don't know if I want to try
the most expensive but yeah
And then try catching
our own and eating that one
I
That would actually be
really cool if you sold me already
You've sold me already, okay
what hasn't sold me though is I Ease are
not yet, but square Enix is planned to
implement AI in their QA process
So high-tech, what's
the low down on this one?
I They could do it my thing is with AI
and QA like it actually is very natural
for like in my like in my field I hate
writing Unit tests and then tests tests
that are more oriented like server and
front-end code I hate writing that type
of tests But AI is really good at saying
hey your codes like this.
Let me try to break it with a test that
being said in the gaming world It's a
little bit more complicated if they like
the hell the logic on a lot of these
games can sometimes like mold into the
the actual like design layer the the
graphical layer and so it's hard to I'm
curious how they'd get around it
is
Very curious to see how they can get past
this QA process because play testing wise
like What do they know it like the AI is
not gonna know what a good
state of the game is in right?
It's not gonna be like oh, it's doing all
sorts of weird stuff right here They
don't know the you the AI is not gonna
know that's a typical or an untypical
behavior of the game, so It's not gonna
go well for play testing But yeah
You
Yeah, well so in the development process
so debugging and QA and like Testing all
like all of its under testing
quality assurance can stem from just a
whole quality assurance like a
Group of people that are just it's a
there's black box QAing There's also some
quality assurance that are on the
developers which I was kind of mentioning
which can be in maybe the debugging field
But debugging period is while you're
building the game You're testing it out
and running tests to make sure that or if
something's broken You need to debug it
typically is where debugging goes is
trying to figure what it's going on.
That's wrong Yeah, it's
gonna be great at that.
It probably won't finish or it sorry not
finished But it probably won't replace
any jobs there, but the QA team it could
royally just f of that whole process and
and removal a lot of jobs in QA and play
testing if it if it works if it doesn't I
think they're gonna be I have to do a lot
of apologies, so Yeah, we'll see
I
Decides they're gonna
pump it until they're done
They
Get away with a lot yeah, well and here's
one thing that people don't realize
So Nvidia and I think we said this last
week Nvidia hit five
trillion dollars valuation.
That's what they're
worth on the stock market
They five five did I say five thousand
five trillion dollars
They are worth more than all from my
understanding all the other American
companies on the stock market combined
That's American not you don't count Sony
or Samsung in there But they're worth
than worth more than all the other
American companies combined
That is what's crazy about that they are
not worth that there is There like if AI
was to be turned off today the amount of
we would still have our food We still
have all the other stuff going on in our
lives that matter if
everything else was turned off
And this was and we only had Nvidia
It would be the end of the world So
that's how I kind of see it is how I
balance how the stock market is just
completely fucked now Oh
It's created it's definitely created and
it is trickled up so I didn't know
I
Didn't finish that video or I
started it I needed the Yeah
I mean Robin Hood now has
you can make sports bets
And I have a confession guys I made my
first sports bet the other day
But I had to do it and it was on BYU So
if you don't know Mormons don't gamble
and you can't pay
tithing and all other shit.
I had to do it It's my dad's favorite.
This is just a complete
Unveiling of who I of me, but I it's the
only time I've done it.
It was it was a stupid bet It was funny.
It was like you won
50 cents kind of thing.
I wouldn't like 50 cents.
I think You know, I'll go step further I
don't think it's worth watching sports
playing sports playing
sports, that's a different one
I Know that my neither's my dad
No, hmm, I think this it's become
probably the new norm now high tech
It's very problematic it wasn't ten years
ago big technology and Laxed gambling
laws online have allowed sports betting
to become out of control Dude if that's
how it was that'd be so much better
Need a leveling
system for for our rights.
I could be down for that a little bit
This not Jyta You know what, okay, okay a
little another little tangent I'm so
sorry Gardner and I feel like I cut you
off Social credit is this is what we have
already With credit scores.
It's the same thing Almost except for
social credit can be tied to more like
how you act or certain like If you if you
act like an asshole online, I think it
can be tied to that a little bit, but We
already have some forms of that.
So
Yeah, and they're dictated by all the big
companies they're really not managed by
anyone else so you
don't really get a say in it
I
Yeah, cuz uh three remake stirs up
backlash with new trailer starring actor
who admitted to assault I mean, that's
just where we're at today.
You almost had a mayor in New York.
That was Like sexually
assaulted how many people?
You
Mm-hmm, I've seen parts of it.
Yeah No.
I think sexual assaults and some assaults
are viewed less infractions than drug
charges, and marijuana is about as mild
as it gets when it comes to drugs.
It has similar effects as alcohol does in
a lot of ways, so it's very interesting.
It's like a lot of Asian countries saw
what America was like or how hard they
went on the war on drugs and
were like, "Oh, you know what?
We're going to go a step further."
Oh, I – yeah, I think technically I
think alcohol is worse than weed in the
sense of on society, but – No.
You can – I'm also
for forgiveness arcs too.
I think if someone does a lot of shit,
they need – sexual assault is a hard
one to go back from.
You have to do a lot of reparations
essentially or like
rep impends, but yeah.
Yeah, and like once you get like the
forgiveness, you've paid your
repremedance, and that's why it's a good
idea to have it go through courts to make
sure that it is
finalized when you're done.
I think, yeah, you should
give people redemption arcs,
but it is crazy that this – that
they're not even being punished for this.
That's so weird, where someone that might
be caught with marijuana is going to be
punished and
potentially can never work again.
That's very weird.
Interesting.
Right.
Yeah,
cocaine is another one.
It's a waste of
money, and there's – no.
Pharmaceuticals, and if you need to be on
the medication, drugs,
maybe not, but illegal drugs,
yeah.
Whether it – I mean to be fair,
recreational, alcohol, marijuana, all
that stuff is
technically a waste of money.
I – they are like me.
They are.
It sounds like you need to mellow out.
They are.
Really?
Was it like edible?
Really.
Back then, you could make – you'd have
to make it kind of – yeah.
Yeah, no.
So there are – sorry, just real quick.
There are a small amount of people that
will have very heavy
psychoactive effects from it.
I have – and I'll disclose too.
I have tried marijuana in Vegas a few
years ago, and so – and that's it.
Like really.
It was very similar for me.
It was very similar to alcohol except for
longer – well, I tried
edible, but longer effects.
I didn't like it, but yeah.
I definitely recommend to be very careful
if you do go that route, because there
are a small amount of people
that will be heavily affected.
Exactly.
Ugh.
I – Monopolies.
Yeah.
No.
this guys.
I'm gonna add my two cents.
I'm gonna be a little more on the not
opposite but a little bit
more towards the middle.
I think they're verging on being a
monopoly in that they if they wanted to
let's say if ownership changes over to
someone from Gabe Newell and he does an
edict of hey we only require all
exclusivity and stuff like that.
They in my opinion become a monopoly as
no Fortnite had a big backing already.
Epic Games was massive already by the
time they released Fortnite technically.
Roblox grew out of the indie sphere but
is not very common for a lot of other
games to get promoted especially nowadays
and so if Steam really went a more
monopolistic route they would be a
monopoly but they're not and I think it's
there's a lot of other companies that
they need to go after for monopolistic
practices like preventing games from
going to other stores.
They're not doing that.
Epic Games is.
So it's one of those ones where it's in I
think a little bit of a dangerous zone to
have one launcher and who knows in 10
years what will happen but it's also we
have so many more monopolies that have to
be dealt with before
this is even a thing.
Yeah.
Now it doesn't make sense.
Yeah it doesn't make sense to call them
that now like yeah there's and I think
what I would want to do is maybe add some
like hey some maybe safety laws and stuff
like that like hey you can't just sell to
a company and then have them change all
the rules when I've invested hundreds and
thousands of dollars into steam over the
years like that's what I'm a little
worried about is that I have invested so
much money into a platform and then I'm
gonna get royally fucked down the road it
is a little bit of a
concern for me as a consumer.
I like it.
I loved it.
No also playing Counter Strike through it
was a lot easier than did you try playing
multiplayer games for like Half-Lives
built-in stuff they sucked it was nice to
have multiplayer at
least tied to a platform.
Yeah.
None of it.
I wouldn't tell me what storefront back
then was anywhere even
good like it was all garbage.
Yeah.
You're always gonna have lock-in when
you're using platform specific stuff
that's not what's
considered a monopoly in my opinion.
I think right now it's set up to be
inherited by like by a son isn't it
we're like it's it's it's like an air
kind of thing I think it's because
like like the social like a social
company social a socialist company
because that's what that is I'm not
against that I have
100% I agree with that.
Interesting because I agree with that.
They for sure know that.
Well if I ever stop this podcast you'll
know why you're just sold
me on working for Valve.
Hey I'll tell them hey I know two other
people that can mop floors with me.
Nah.
I'm mopping after hours I'll be trying
all the the new gear that they have after
hours they'll never know.
Yes just get on there.
Yeah
I think it's a prediction.
Agreed.
You're gonna.
I think if we don't hear anything in the
next two weeks it's
not happening this year.
That's just how they work.
They might shadow drop and they've done
it in the past like this at times.
They might shadow drop it to be released
later like at the end of the month but if
you don't hear it in the next week or two
I think two weeks maximum.
No way anything's coming out for the next
six months from them.
I just don't see them announced or
releasing anything in December.
That's such a bad
month release something.
Oh announcements.
Yeah that's that is
different I guess you're right.
You're right.
November tends to be their favorite time
to announce release stuff though.
Um.
AMD AMD.
Oh they could be competitive honestly if
if AMD what I mean that's I really
weirded out by that it's gotta be a cost
thing or something I don't know.
Well and they know that we're all hooked
to it now so that will will kind of eat
the increase but I think that's I think
that's coming to a close by the way.
I really don't think it's sustainable and
something like this if Intel and Nvidia partner up and become a new company.
Or honestly and video haven't they tried
buying Intel multiple times or maybe his
arm one or the other if.
Well I think Nvidia also wants to buy
Intel potentially too.
Um.
Yeah yeah and it's interesting because
we're also as Americans
owners of Intel now are we.
Uh it was just so funny.
But yeah this becomes a thing a
partnership it could definitely lead into
them just becoming a video buying Intel
out and becoming monopolistic.
Yeah I don't know it would be interesting.
So are they going to do we know what
exactly that partnerships
going to look like like why.
I must have missed that.
Yeah I mean Nvidia is partnered up with
arm haven't they to or they use our like.
They use arm to make Nintendo's APU so
it's interesting because they'll the only
reason to partner up with Intel was would
be to make sure to have
gaming oriented APU's right.
This this would not be helpful for AI
which is a big thing that they're into so
maybe they're trying to get serious in
the gaming industry
again too with this because.
From my understanding an arm and video
chip set mainly AI works really well with
with GPU style cores but.
Arm and Nvidia together like still work
great for APU style for AI but what would
be the benefit for Nvidia's huge.
AI steak for them to
be partnered with Intel.
This is interesting they just squashing
the rest of they just want to dominate
every field that they're in.
You think so.
I.
I can guarantee by then they'll be broken
up it's going to happen.
I yeah. I yeah.
in any form or fashion.
If this happens, AMD will still do well.
I think they have a good roadmap if they
can increase, you know, continue to
increase market share.
But if it will, here's the thing, if
Nvidia Intel starts to eat into their
console cells or anything else, like
PlayStation or Xbox, if that happens, it
will be devastating for AMD because they
are doing fairly well, in my opinion,
because of they have actually a huge
market share of
devices with APUs out there.
Much bigger than Nvidia, in my opinion.
Well, and they've kind of, they have to
for backwards compatibility.
They've kind of dug that, that hole.
Nintendo has to.
Yeah.
I think, I think they're very,
wouldn't even say competitive.
They're very Vulture like Nvidia is.
And so you could see them be very kind to
their partners early up to try to grab
that market share from
AMD and really just, no.
I don't think they're going to do that.
I think they, they fed a like open AI,
like chat GPT, like they fed open AI,
a ton of money, a ton of GPUs and stuff
like that to us to, to sucker them in.
And so I think they're willing to do
decent deals upfront
to then lock them in.
I don't think they're
going to strong arm them.
I don't think that would work.
So be interesting though.
Because they don't, they might own the AI
market in the sense of hardware, but they
do not own completely
the software portion of it.
So
I, the market has got to
have gone like pretty flat.
I still don't see like the high end cards
at Best Buy, but
they're usually sold out.
But I wonder if they even get them in.
But even though they have the skews
there, but a lot of the mid range cards
are always on stock now when a couple of
years ago, that was not the case.
I really wonder if like an
over flooding of the market.
And then also on top of that, my 3090 is
still runs everything
as good as it needs to.
And car, like a lot of
cars are actually not dying.
Are people even needing to
buy or upgrade for a while?
Like if you get a mid range in the past
few years, if you've got a mid range or
high end card, you don't need
to upgrade for like 10 years.
I don't know.
I think it's written on the,
I think it's going to be gone.
I think dedicated graphics cards are
going to be potentially done for.
I think a lot of the hurdles before, not
that I necessarily want it that way.
But I think some of the hurdles of RAM
speeds, transfers and some other stuff
like have been solved over the decades
and APUs are getting better and better
every year, even though like the heat
combination of having everything on that
one ship does still limit it.
Even the upgrade ability
is still not quite there.
It is getting, we're getting really close
to like some of the new like GBD, GBD win
five is a beast of a computer and it's an
APU and it's a portable device.
I don't know.
I'm kind of, I'm at this point where I
think about getting a
desktop, like a new graphics card.
Well, none of them are really that good.
Like I have a 30 90.
If I get like a mid range AMD, is it
going to even increase much?
Probably not.
So what's the point?
I don't, and I don't want to get a high
end Nvidia card because I don't want to
spend a thousand dollars on just a
graphics card that will give me yes,
improvements, but not
really that good of improvements.
It's crazy where we're kind of at where I
feel like a decade ago, it was exciting
every two or three
years to get a new card.
And I just don't feel
that excitement anymore.
I don't know about you guys.
Like it's my, my, I've, I've, I've
followed that stuff all the way back with
some of the oldest graphics cards in the
late nineties to 2000s.
Like it was a really fun game and they,
and Nvidia kind of just killed it all and
not even in like a competitive way.
They just like in every other way, Paul,
I guess in the competitive way too, but
like not having enough stock, the AI
uptick, the them just continually seeming
like they're just literally pissing on
the graphics card market
for like all those gamers.
It's crazy.
I'm starting to get that point where I
don't want to go console like cause I
love tinkering, but I'm kind of just
tired of dedicated
graphics card industry.
Yeah.
And it was GDDR seven.
Well, as rumor claims, three gigabyte
memory chips are now too valuable for
consumer cheap uses.
It's fucking so crazy.
Yeah.
Well, they're going to be a lot cheaper
comment a couple of years because I do
think AI is going to, I don't, I don't
know if I share you guys is, um,
I think like in the sense of like not
disdain, but like, I don't know if the
AI, I think the AI bubble will pop, but I
think we'll continue to still
be AI will still be a thing.
I just think it will be more, um,
not democratized, but it will be easier
and easier for people to localize their
LLMs and stuff like that.
And so I think it's going to potentially
die for Nvidia, but I don't know if it's
going to completely die out.
Yeah.
Well.
Yeah.
Mm hmm.
I read a news article the other day.
I wish I could remember what it was that
they're making more of a profit than we,
then they're letting on.
I don't know what
their, their play is here.
I don't know if they're trying to play
coy, but the AI marking is, is, is, it's
not going to be like the, um, uh,
internet bubble or what was it?
The, well,
the dot com bubble.
Yes.
It's not going to be like that because
they were just not making money.
They're making money right now.
Are they like, is it revenue or just
like, are they
actually making a true profit?
I've heard both.
Um, but it is going to
be a little different.
That being said, all it
really takes just real quick.
All it really takes is another person to
enter the market with an LLM that will
run on much cheaper hardware and a
different company to
just completely bust Nvidia.
Now will Nvidia allow that?
Will they like assassinate people behind
the, behind the curtains?
I don't know.
Cause they're five
trillion dollar company.
That's just crazy.
But yeah.
But how do you steer a
five trillion dollar company?
How do you steer a five
trillion dollar company?
That's what I want to know.
I don't think anyone can.
Yeah.
No, it's yeah.
Tech is always a hot potato game.
It's always an investment heavy returns
are usually not that high.
I think they can pump this
for another decade or two.
I personally think like if they really
want to pump open AI and
Nvidia, they can keep on pumping it.
I think the only way to pop this bubble
because they are making a profit is to
have someone else come
out and sweep their legs.
And there are other companies that are
not relying on open AI technology.
Anthropic is one of them.
There's a couple more.
And so, and anthropic is a developer
first one though, and just full
disclosure, I use AI every day.
A lot of it has to do with
companies that I've worked for.
But it's usually I use it for boilerplate
stuff or for debugging where I'm like, I
don't want to search through my whole.
I use it kind of like
as a search function.
It's like, hey, find this
one spot so I can debug it.
But LLMs are getting close to be able to
do that for me on my computer.
So I know from the developer and then
maybe it's naive of me to look at this
from the developer standpoint, but like
from a developer standpoint, we're
getting close to where LLMs
can just take this over locally.
Like a local LM could
replace a lot of the stuff I need.
I want it to be like ethically sourced
and ethically trained, but it's so hard
to find all that stuff right now.
And I need to work towards that.
But I don't know, like this is very
frustrating that we have this AI giants
kind of coming up and they own so much of
the market and so many
people, I just don't know.
I don't know if it's
they're going to let it die.
They own it.
They own the stock market.
I don't know if it's going to die.
It's my worry, I guess.
I guess I'm cynical on the other end
where I think a lot of people are
expecting it to bust.
I'm a little worried that it won't and
won't get competitive,
which I think is also very not good.
Like both, but an AI burst could all like
bubble burst, bust, whatever could be
could hurt a lot of the industry and the
white collar jobs, stuff like that.
But it's already like, I don't know.
I could go back and
forth on this forever.
Yeah, but in those circles, then we end
up in fights on how ethically sourced is
the training data for the LLM.
That is a big, I've seen it.
That's why I'd like to get more involved,
but I just don't know.
If you're fighting, if you have
infighting going on, on that level, how
do you then compete the
person that just doesn't care?
I know.
So I think,
I don't know.
The amount, it will be interesting to see
in the next few years to see how many of
these companies regret this decision.
I really hope that they will, but I also
don't want to be affected by it, even
though I'm not really in
the AI sphere in my job.
Microsoft,
what is it?
Amazon removed 30,000 jobs and I think
15,000 executive jobs.
They claim AI, but I think there's also
maybe some overseas outsourcing going on.
We have a negative job, jobs being
created in America right now and we're
royally fucked, I think.
The only way out of this, guys, I'm
sorry, is to either vote with your money,
buy AMD, as much as AMD also has their
skeletons in their closet,
I guess fight against it with money,
with projects, putting your time into
maybe localized LLMs, even if they have
maybe not the best trading data, but if
that's how we're going to beat these
guys, you have to go that route or you're
going to have to vote for people that are
going to actually hold some of these
companies accountable.
I think that's the only way.
I tend to be a little bit of an actiony
guy, so I don't like to sit here and
think everything's doomed.
Should we end this regular episode with a
little bit of humor?
I guess, I don't know if it's humor, but
it's Fortnite, so I figured
it has to be a little funny.
They're, of course, going to make fun of
anyone that they work with, which being
acquired by Disney and having Fox and
all, they made fun of Fox all the time,
but being a part of Disney has also made
them make fun of it.
It's kind of fun, but ...
Yeah.
Well, it's good money for them, too, so
at the end of the day,
it's like, just let it happen.
I'm honestly okay with this.
I think we talked about this last week.
I can't remember if it was on the bonus
episode, but is there
anything new on this?
I feel like these clubs always do that.
They always inject new
freshness, and so people ...
I don't know how many people
care about Simpsons or not.
I love ...
They're like a childhood classic for me,
but I don't watch them as much nowadays,
but this has even got me a little
interested in Fortnite.
Yeah.
That's what I've heard.
I think we have two directions.
I think Simpsons' days are numbered
partially just because, yeah, everyone's
going to age out of it, age
out or grave into it, but yeah.
That's a good theory, actually.
I'd be okay with that.
We've had a good run.
Agreed.
I think this ...
Yeah.
I don't know.
I know a lot of people hate Fortnite.
I think this is interesting.
I at least keep it
interesting, but also, it's Fortnite.
Nintendo's such assholes.
They can't even play
nice with anyone else.
They just, Nintendo, that was like, if
you want to play the game nowadays, just
play nice with other
companies and you'd make more money.
I don't get it.
Sometimes they're all about money and
sometimes they're
just all about their IP.
Like it's...
Man,
they're so weird.
Nintendo's such a weird company.
I'll say that right now.
What they do is so bizarre.
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