Welcome to Off the Console, the hottest podcast where we talk about
gaming, tech news, and much, much more.
I'm HighTechLowLife, your host for the day, and I'm joined by our co-hosts,
Gardiner Bryant and Games Revealed.
Welcome,
What's up?
How are you guys doing?
Doing well.
How are you?
Legion Go
fine.
Doing, doing fine, doing fine.
So today we've got the Steam Frame again, but then we've also got the Game Awards.
We've got Xbox Game Pass coming to Linux, Epic Games Store coming
to Linux, and much, much more.
So we usually start the episode with, uh, what we've been doing.
So let's start with you, Gardiner.
What have you been doing this week?
Oh man, I have been up to a whole bunch of things.
Uh, I've been doing some work for clients of course, been playing a
bunch of games, uh, because I have put together my own DIY Steam machine
you've, you've, you've, you're, you're playing games now?
I know.
It's been, it's been fun.
I, y- dude, I, I started my YouTube channel back in 2014 because I was like,
"I've been so busy with work, I just need to have an excuse to play video games."
And I know that if I don't do something productive with my time, uh, while playing
games, then I won't, I won't ever do it.
And now I'm back to that square one, so, uh, yeah.
So now, like, I put, I, I built a Steam Machine and it's really awesome.
It's got a, a Ryzen 8000 series, uh, CPU.
Right.
Wait, wait
You mean 9,000, right?
Or 7,000
It, it's a Ryzen 9 8945HX CPU.
It has 32 gigs of RAM, and it has a, an Asus Prime Radeon 9070 XT 16 gigabyte.
Uh, it's, it's a good machine, man, and I've been putting it through its paces.
Hell yeah.
Hell
I, I played, uh, Doom: The Dark Ages on it.
Surprisingly, uh, still a bad game.
Uh, I did not… I don't like that game.
I'm sorry.
But, uh, one thing, one thing that I-- we were talking off, off camera
about was, um, that I was actually surprised by how poorly the game ran.
Uh, it's only around 50 frames a second, uh, at 1440p with ultra settings, which
is, like, the, what it defaulted to when it b- booted up for the first time.
So, um, and I'm not the kind of guy to go in and tweak settings.
I, I, I want the game to figure that out automatically.
Um, so yeah.
It's been, it's been interesting.
I've been, I've played a bunch of other fun games, though.
Like, Forza Horizon 6 works great.
Um, gonna try Cyberpunk.
Everybody's telling me to try Cyberpunk on it, so that's
gonna be the next game I try.
Yeah, try Cyberpunk on it
Yeah.
Yep.
Man, it's, it… Yeah, I'm glad you have a Steam Machine that you built your own.
Now we have the full trifecta.
Yeah
two Steam Machines and, like, a big, like, bigger, more powerful
Steam Machine in the room too.
Now how much did that all cost you?
Uh, so like I don't know exactly how much I paid for it because a lot of the stuff
like the motherboard and the CPU and the RAM I scrounged from like review samples.
Um, I
Damn
so the only things I actually bought for this build wa- was
the, the 9070, which was like 800 bucks, which is slightly over MSRP.
And then, um, I b- I bought the case, which is the Lian Li A3 M-ATX WD,
and then I, I, I got a couple fans.
So like that's all I bought for this.
So it was around maybe just under $1,000 what I purchased myself.
The rest came from review samples
Couldn't imagine how expensive it would've been if you had to pay for everything,
Oh, I know how much it would've been if I paid for all of it.
It would've been eight, uh, $1,856.
Damn.
Yeah
Would you have paid that much
No.
No
No, I'm saving, I'm saving money this way so that I can buy a
Steam Frame when that comes out.
Yes, and we
And,
about the Steam Frame soon
and I'll be able to stream games from this to the Steam Frame too, so it'll be cool.
Yeah.
Yeah
Now, how about you, James?
What if… Ooh, what is that, James?
That f- the Franken Phoenix that I built, kind of similar to Gardiner's
except for it's got… I have a PC that I've been using forever that
has that 3090 in it, and it's,
Mm-hmm.
yeah, it's got, it's got the 9060 XT.
I want- I, I went a little cheaper.
It has DDR4 RAM in it, and it's got a little bit older j- uh, CPU and
motherboard, but it's runs really well.
Here's the kicker.
kids use it right now.
I actually the Steam Machine so I, I kind of went the high… Like, Gardiner
yours is much more powerful than mine.
I went the mid-range route.
Um, it is more powerful than the Steam Machine.
I don't have the CEC, uh, adapter yet for it.
Um, I'm gonna be
Mm-hmm.
on it.
But it is still noisy, whereas the Steam Machine doesn't make noise.
I
Mm-hmm.
I'm, I'm ha- I'm struggling 'cause in the day I didn't care as, if it
created as much noise or whatever.
I had like… When I was younger, I had an AC unit in my room just to make
sure it was cool enough when I was running har- uh, like high-end hardware.
Now I've flipped where I kinda like the simplicity of the Steam Machine.
I can
Mm-hmm
down, I can play whatever I want.
I've beaten a few games.
I finally finished the DLC for Alan Wake 2.
I've put almost 50 hours into Bal- Baldur's Gate 3.
Um, I've played the hell out of that, and it's actually made me very lazy.
I still need to come out with my full official review video for it.
I figured more time on it's, yeah, more time on it is
better than less, I guess, so.
But
So you said you don't have a CEC, uh, adapter for it?
How'd
not yet.
I'm gonna buy one
Yeah.
I, I bought one and, uh, setting it up was surprisingly… Like, it, it
didn't work out of the box, but it was relatively straightforward to get
it working, and that's all I'll say.
I'll, I'll save the rest for my review.
Interesting.
sick
Yeah.
eye on a CEC that's designed to just work out of the box for Linux, but we'll see.
Which one is it?
It's some random one.
I have to look
Is it, is it the Pulse-Eight?
Um, I don't think so.
No.
That
Okay
Yeah, no, it's, um, I haven't got that part hooked up yet, but my son, the, he,
I, I don't know why, but he li- he loves his Steam, the, the Steam controller.
I'm like, "Hey, you have…" I put, um, Goat Simulator 3 on here.
He loves playing through that.
Mm.
I put it on the, uh, bigger one, the n- like the Steam Machine killer, the
s- the s- the Franken Phoenix as I like to call it, and he's like, "Well, I
don't wanna play it w- unless I have the Steam controller on." And so,
build
yeah
g- get him one of those dongles.
Well, actually, no.
Well, actually, you can't buy another Steam controller, can you?
Nope, I'm still in the… I'll have to see if Suzie has, um, I, I swear I put
her in for a bid for it, but mine's set to 2027 for a Steam Controller.
So honestly, at this point, I really do want a second one, and it's
not because of Steam Controller itself, it's 'cause the interface.
It is, it's feels like a console.
I don't have to… It's very quick.
It, it has very low latency um, like my PlayStation one, just, I haven't hooked
it up to the Steam Machine yet, but I don't know if you can even start the Steam
Machine by pressing the middle button on the PlayStation, where with Steam
Machine or the Steam Controller you can.
It's just, it feels like a console.
I really like it right now.
I go through phases like this, but yeah
can wake the Steam Controller with a Bluetooth controller.
Okay.
I haven't tried it.
you do that, but you have to
Yeah, yeah
you can do that, but you can do it.
Guys, spoiler alert, I got my Steam, my DIY Steam machine to start with
an external, like a USB Bluetooth, uh, device that was paired with the,
um, with the, with the DualSense
external, external… Wait, what?
So there's a, I have a Bluetooth USB adapter 'cause my, my board
doesn't have Bluetooth on it, right?
What?
I, yeah, so I plug in a YouTube, U- uh, USB Bluetooth adapter, right?
And I paired my DualSense with that adapter, and I was able to get the Steam
Machine that I built to turn on just by turning on the PlayStation controller
There you go.
I have not tried anything like that yet.
My, my Pl- Pl- my PlayStation… So I have one for PC.
It's right now paired with my Mac, and every time I turn it,
even if I plug it into the it turns on the Mac's game s- system.
So there's like sync to both.
It's really weird.
So I
Hmm.
un-sync it from the pl- uh, the Mac.
'Cause what I'll do is I'll stream from my other computers to the,
my Mac while I'm working, w- uh, while I'm doing some other stuff.
and so yeah.
I'll play games sometimes, uh, on my Mac.
I just gotta, I don't know.
Ah.
Man, I've been, I've been playing the hell out of my Steam Machine.
I've been doing a lot of experimentation with it.
I've been, I've been working on my Steam Machine masterclass and reviewing it, so I
guess in a sense I haven't been doing too much actual, actual, like, deep gaming.
I've been doing a lot with my Steam Machine.
I enjoy it, and soon it's about time to make a review on it,
Mm-hmm
and it's gonna be one glorious time Uh, that said, uh, there are some new games
that are on the horizon that I'm really looking forward to that hopefully are
on the Steam Machine, like, uh, Phantom Blade Zero and, uh, Kingdom Hearts IV
actually got a trailer very recently.
And, uh, I got… I kind of have a soft spot for Kingdom Hearts.
Can't wait for it to come out.
So n- so I'm sure you guys aren't familiar with, like, Kingdom Hearts
as a whole, but I'm sure you know the, like, basic concept, right?
Yeah
Yeah, you explore.
we're gonna do a fun little experiment.
What Disney worlds, excluding Marvel and… excluding Marvel,
s- 20th Century Fox, and, uh, Star Wars, what Disney worlds do you
think they'll put in this game?
Besides Coco, since that's been confirmed
Hmm.
Emperor's New Groove.
Oh, that would be a good one.
Hmm
That would be a good one.
Surprised they haven't done that yet.
Uh, yeah, that's, that's a hard one 'cause I don't even-- they don't
even do original IP as much anymore
I mean, they have some.
They have, uh, Moana.
That's over 10 years old at this point.
Moana's over 10 years… No, no fucking way, Gardiner.
Uh, pretty sure, my dude.
It was like 2016
hold on, hold on.
Let me look this shit up.
There's no way.
Yeah, 2016, man.
That's 10 years old
Oh my, Moana's 10 years old at this point?
I just shattered his entire world, dude.
Oh my God.
I generally try to stay good with knowing what's old and what isn't old.
'Cause like some people will still say like Super Mario Bros. is
like years old at this point, when it's actually closer to like 40.
It's over 40, yeah
Yeah.
But like, oh no, Moana's 40 years old at this
Hi-Tech, can I, I, I need to let you know, you're, you're the youngest by a, a bit
here, and it only gets worse for you.
This is, it's just gonna keep getting worse.
Yeah.
the start
Dude
Oh
Oh, no.
But anyways, from that though, Moana's… Oh, Zootopia's
probably gonna be in there too
I could see Zootopia, yeah.
I can see Zootopia.
All right.
What non-Disney IP would you wanna see in Kingdom Hearts?
Like,
Doom.
You know what I was thinking?
The Naked Gun
Yo, they
Gun.
The Naked
What?
Yeah.
Disney owns a lot of stuff, though.
You'd, you'd be surprised at how
Yeah
owns.
yeah
there's a very solid chance that Disney or some studio under Disney… Oh,
they could put, like, Predator in there
Hmm.
Roger Rabbit
They own Alien and Predator.
Did
Mm-hmm.
Disney
Yeah.
The
Yep
Dude, they can
would be pretty cool
put Alien and Predator in Kingdom Hearts.
Dude, and The Simpsons.
That'd be kinda crazy.
Yeah, that would be wild
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But
man.
Props to James for this.
He really kicked ass.
Dude, I love that thumbnail
With
Ja,
the, uh
Yeah, esports.
This is the game.
Ugh
Yeah.
Yeah, it's pretty good.
Oh,
we
yeah
address the comment or not,
Was there a comment?
No, the, the comment I showed you, Gardiner, remember?
Oh, yeah
Well, he knows who he is.
He's probably
I think,
but
think you need to rewatch the last episode fully and maybe you'll
understand better to the commentator.
Okay.
All right, but enough about that though.
Let's talk about this episode, the Steam Frame, deja vu again.
We talked about this last episode too, to be honest.
This is our… But essentially, the Steam Frame, it's nearing a pr- it's
nearing release, and with the s- 30th anniversary of Valve being next week,
but the following week on the 24th,
Hmm.
What?
I think tomorrow is a good day to do it, or Monday.
They don't need to wait
after we, after we record this fucking podcast,
I just, I just, I, I just want it released
So this is the boot animation for the, uh, Frame.
That's pretty fucking… That's pretty cool
Wow.
Is that gonna be in 3D?
I wonder if that cube will have, like, depth to it
Oh, it, that would be pretty cool.
But not right now though, 'cause,
That would be pretty cool actually
none of us have a Steam Frame.
There have been some potential leaks suggesting that the Steam Frame's
coming out a lot sooner than we expect
Yeah.
We all thought it was gonna be last Monday, honestly.
Yeah.
D- like right after the episode releases.
Yeah
Hey, hey, it might be this Monday too
Yeah.
Let us know in the comments if we're, if we're right or if we're wrong
The, uh, we'll just move, we'll just move the Monday to the latest episode.
That, that's how it works.
Yeah
Unless they like release it in the middle of our podcast today.
That would be, that would be fucking sick, wouldn't it?
Yeah,
uh, that unprecedented major news happening during Off The
Console episode r- recording sesh
it's more like Valve doesn't do it that way.
It's like Friday or Monday
Yeah
Yeah, Val- Valve will just release shit on like some random
Wednesday where nothing happens.
That too.
I mean, well, work-life balance
documentary.
Oh, wait, are they gonna do Half-Life documentaries for like the
episodes or a Portal documentary?
That'd be kinda sick
I don't… I mean, I would be down for a Portal episode
What did, what'd you say?
Wait,
I,
Gardiner?
I said I would be down for a Portal documentary
I'd be down for more documentaries for Valve games.
Left 4 Dead 1 and 2,
Oh yeah
Um, don't really care that much about Dota,
No.
but they can do classic CS
Yeah.
Success.
Classic CS.
Ricochet
of that stuff
Team Fortress 2.
You get Team Fortress 2 for free on the day they release that documentary
Guys, Ricochet.
Ricochet is their best game.
You didn't, you don't remember Ricochet?
Dude, Ricochet, I own at Ricochet.
I remember I
it too
No, I, like, owned at it.
Like, I, my friend, I'd play with my friends and I'd just destroy them.
It's stupid, but I don't even think Ricochet had, like,
up, um, up-down movement.
It's just side by side and you'd jump between, um, you'd, you'd
jump up and down on platforms.
That's all.
And shoot disks.
It was like Tron rails almost.
So yeah.
It was weird
Dude, don't worry, man.
They'll get a Ricochet 2.
I don't know if I need a Ricochet
maybe
too
maybe they'll, maybe they'll make it VR
See, I'm waiting for Ricochet 3
Uh, I just want… Yeah
Ricochet 2?
If you do, then you're not, you're not actually counting to three at that point.
So that, that's the likeliest scenario here.
Damn, you got a point there, Gardiner.
Want a Ricochet Series X. what I want
Yeah.
Oh, yeah
360
Then that way they don't have to do it.
They could be their stubborn selves and not have to count to three But
I just want, honestly, I just-- Ricochet, cool, that'd be nice.
I think I'd cry a little if I, if they came out with a Ricochet two
or three, thinking like, "You've put your energy to this and not
to something I really care about."
Even though Ricochet was fun, zero substance to that, uh, high tech.
You gotta go watch some gameplay on it or pull it up, 'cause if you have
it, like I think everyone might, if they've… Actually, I don't know
how you buy that game, but yeah
It's on Steam.
It's $4.99
It's costs, money is crazy.
That game is not worth a dollar in the sense of like it is
Hmm.
a map of bo- jumping up and down.
There's not a lot of depth to it, literally
Yeah, well, I think they're gonna unveil Ricochet Two at the Game Awards
my gosh
So the Game Awards, they announced the date, December 10th, a Thursday.
And as per, as per OTC tradition, we always live stream this episode,
Yes.
to see how the fucking Game Awards are rigged
Yeah.
Rigged?
I don't know.
I think Miss, Miss Piggy gets it every time.
She, she knows what's going on there
is true.
That is true.
won last year?
I need to remember.
Uh, wait, what?
Start
That's
is there
UL category Scroll up.
Click, click that.
Click.
Go down.
Click that.
View now.
Click View All Categories.
Game of the Year.
Ah,
Yeah
it's like Clair Obscur.
Clair Obscur is so good.
Clair Obscur's g- like Expedition's so good
Clair Obscur.
It was not rigged for cl- like, you guys didn't play it.
Obs- uh, Expedition 33 was really good
I'm not saying it was rigged this year, but I'm saying it's usually rigged.
I think,
Obscur.
I, I don't know I go fully like, I- is it influenced every year?
Probably.
Is it rigged?
I think all the game of the years that I've seen I've agreed with, at
least in the last like five, six years
Best ongoing, No Man's Sky.
I agree with that.
Best community support, Baldur's Gate 3.
Cl- all right, this is bullshit.
I know this is But it has such a good almost indie s- uh, story.
It's just not quite indie.
That's the unfortunate part
like this is like categorically bullshit.
Honestly, I think the whole idea of having a publisher at all
Yeah
the purpose of it being indie.
That doesn't mean they're
I agree
Like Blue Prince I've heard is a great game.
I've heard BALL x PIT is a good game too.
I've also heard Absolum a good game too.
like realistically, the only two games here that are indie
are either Hades II or Silksong
Yeah
Some of these wouldn't have become games unless they would've gotten
picked up by a publisher though, so we gotta remember, sometimes it's
Right.
But,
a video game
but the difference be- we, we had this debate last year, but, like, the, the
difference is you have indie games, which are games like what I did or
what Hades or s- you know, Hollow Knight does, where they, y- the, the
studio themselves are independent.
They are putting up the money to develop the game up front themselves.
Then you have double A, which is, like, what Clair Obscur and these
other games that have, like, an indie feel maybe, but they're just,
they're, like, lower budget, right?
That's the difference, right?
And then triple A
I mean, but a l- I think a lot of games start out as indie and then they get
picked up by a publisher to finish.
so it's not like they didn't have a lot of, um, they didn't…
They took on a lot of risk.
Like I think Expedition 33 started indie, then they were able to pick up a publisher
to finish it and to, um, to get, I don't know at what point during the whole thing.
Um, I don't know about the, the other games in that list.
I, yeah, we've had the debate.
I, I, I want to agree, but, like, I wouldn't put… With v- with some of that,
I don't even know if I'd go as far as Hades II and S- uh, Silksong being indie
because made so much money off their first games that they're, like, easy to fund.
It's easy to fund those.
Yeah, I, I think there is some nuance
realm of developers
there's a world where we could say Supergiant Games is no longer an
indie dev in the traditional sense
They're self-pub
a triple A budget.
Like they have
Yeah.
they have a huge budget
Right
I think they could move out of the indie category by their next… Well,
I feel like they should have already moved out of the indie category
Dude, I mean, Bastion was an absolute banger.
Uh, and it sold super well, and so did, um, what was the follow-up?
Uh,
Transitor?
no, there was another one before Transistor.
Um,
Oh, I don't know
I don't remember.
But yeah, like they had, um, yeah.
Anyway, they… You're right.
Best
debut i-
in
indie game is a bad, it's a bad one.
I think they could've renamed that
Yeah, I mean, how do you d- how, how do you disambiguate between like
a person that's making their game for the very first time and like
a studio full, a brand new studio full of industry vets, like with
Right.
Like, how do
Yeah
Like, Dispatch is also the same way too.
Hon- I think all of these are… Well,
probably all… Like, that's the, that, that's the thing.
It's not their first, because that's, that's a really weird way to, like,
distinguish it, but it's just, it's, it's for their studio, right?
It's their debut studio.
Like, that would be probably a better way to say best debut game and have
it attached to a studio, but that's, I guess, the same thing for them.
They don't consider… They consider Indie to be, like, a upstart, which
that's the hard part about all this.
I'd like to split out some of these into multiple categories, but then the
Game Awards show would go so much longer
SC
Well, even if they removed like all, like a third of the advertisements,
we'd, it'd clear up like two hours worth of the of the show.
Well,
these show, so these shows are so expensive to run, guys.
Like game award shows, all those things are so expensive.
Unless you, like, f- find a way to fund it, I don't know, it,
They don't have to be expensive.
That's the thing.
They don't need to be
All
broadcasting, they have to be expensive just for
Yeah
Now you could trim it down quite a bit, but that's, I don't know.
I'm not trying to defend it, but I've seen more and more behind the scenes on some
of these things and they're so expensive
you couldn't make a show like this without having significant amounts
of money or sponsorships or the, the, uh… Like, if we were to do our
own Off The Console award show, it'd have, we'd have to be, like, we'd have
to get, like, a pretty big sponsor.
But, uh, that's besides the point though.
Mus- best mobile game, Uma Musume Let's see.
Best VR game.
I don't know any of these games, but Midnight Walk won.
Best action game, Hades II Hmm.
I mean, it, I mean, it's a pretty good action game.
Best action-adventure game.
Silksong, wow.
That's pretty cool, I can agree with that.
Best RPG, Clair Obscur.
I could agree with that too.
What I don't agree with is Monster Hunter Wilds being categorized as an
RPG, but that's besides the point.
Best, best fighting game.
it crazy, like, that, like, three of these are just re-releases of old games?
At
It's kind of sad
at least Fatal Fury won.
I can respect that
Yeah, the,
Yeah.
the… Oh, mate
They… What really bothers me is that they don't have
a best Linux games category
What you talk about with Valve, they're all Linux games now
I don't see any Valve games on here
No, because of… Well, because of, um, what I'm saying is the Steam OS.
Proton.
and Proton.
Uh, yeah,
Yeah
See, best family game, Donkey Kong.
Best sim strategy, Final Fantasy Tactics: The Ivalice Chronicles.
Hell yes, I can agree with this even if it is a re-release, a, a
re-release and re-enhancement of an old PS1, AKA the best Final Fantasy.
I feel like Two Point Museum might, might
like
the cake
being on here.
Alters is original, and I really did like Alters.
I still-- I haven't finished it, but
Well, my question now is what if it's like a rebalance of the game with like
new … Like, 'cause it does, like the original game didn't have voice
acting, and this one does, and they also rebalanced the game and I, I don't know.
I, I don't know
or just a remaster with the voice acting?
Well, it's a remaster with rebalanced gameplay, reworked UI, voice acting.
Got the hard one.
yeah, it is
The,
I don't know.
I
that's…
it's quite a remake,
I think if it's a remake you could throw it into there, and that
there's still debate there, but yeah
Let's see.
game, Mario Kart World.
It w- it was fun, but I don't think it's $80 fun.
No
Bes- best multiplayer, Arc Raiders.
guess, yeah, that won.
Whatever, I guess.
Best adaptation, The Last of Us
Yeah
Which isn't even a video game.
It's, it's a TV show at the Game Awards.
Love it.
Well, it's based on a-- The, its best adaptation is a video game,
yeah, r- based media, right?
So
Yeah, it is based on a video game.
Most anticipated game, Grand Theft Auto.
We all knew that was gonna win.
And oh, Lord, I c- oh, God, it's supposed to release this year, and it's supposed
to be at the Game Awards this year?
Oh, my fucking God, man
It's gonna be game of the year, unfortunately
MoistCr1TiKaL won.
Who cares?
Content creator.
I don't care if, unless we're on there.
Wow, is that
I…
of me to say?
No, not at all.
A little bit.
See CS2 esports game, whatever man.
esports, uh, athlete
We don't need to go through all these.
These are the, the, the point where
Sees
asleep
Player's Voice.
This one's important.
Wuthering Waves.
It's always interesting how these gacha games win
Yeah, well, if you give a- uh, addicts the choice, uh, to,
uh, pick their favorite game
Shade
Yes, but in the meantime though, speaking of addicts, may be coming
to Linux through the Exodus project.
So for those
addicts are gonna enjoy it
so for those who don't know, Linguin is the principal guy behind the
Heroic Games Launcher, and now he's working on bringing Xbox PC
games and Game Pass games to Linux.
Mm-hmm.
It's good stuff.
So he's gotten all the authentication and all that stuff done.
He hasn't quite gotten games to work, but at this point though, I think
that's small potatoes compared to just getting everything else working, right?
Y- uh, yeah, the authentication and making sure there's no DRM or anything that's
blocking it, that's the biggest step.
If he's co- crossed that and the games just need Proton and some
other stuff and, um, stuff applied to it, that's the easier stuff.
So that's good.
That's a good sign.
This is a very good sign
Yeah, so as you can see here, you can see all the games available, and, uh
It looks like he's either installed them or is installing them right now.
Like, truth be told, if you have them on Steam, there's no reason to switch over.
But if you have them on Game Pass, I mean, it's a g- it's a good value to be able
to play your Game Pass games on Linux, where, because traditionally, like if
I'm not mistaken, you couldn't use Pass on Linux without like streaming, right?
Ja
Yep.
Oh, and furthermore, OG Xbox/360 backwards compatibility.
You guys remember that
Hmm?
Interesting.
so
is this backwards compatibility through like the official emulators?
So, um, I, I don't know.
I, I mean, I haven't tested that myself.
The games are available right now if anyone wants to try them out,
but I don't know for certain.
someone was able to in- I think some people have been able to inject
other Xbox games into the official emulator But it's not a huge priority
right now since Linguin has to get the other games working first.
Yeah.
But it,
he,
is something on the table
is he like bringing like, uh, uh, Xbox APIs to Proton?
Is that how he's doing this?
Well, I'm, I'm not certain.
Exodus is supposed to handle the authentication, game
package download, and licenses.
It can also download and decrypt MSIXVC packages.
Uh, let's see, authorization and game downloads are working.
He's focusing on getting the game SDK to actually run the games,
apparently he's got his own fork of Wine set up for this purpose
Oh yeah, yeah.
Uh, scroll up really quick.
Right there.
The, the remaining work involves recreating th- uh, enough of the Xbox
gaming runtime and related services for games to function through Wine.
Yeah.
Neat.
I mean, dude, I'm all in favor of this, dude.
Linguin's the man.
Linguin is the guy.
We had him on our podcast once too, actually, if you
did.
Yeah
Uh, we should probably link that in the description down… We
should probably look up that video.
Uh, but
Yeah
he's the GOAT.
He made Heroic Games Launcher, he made Epic Games Lau- He made the
Epic Games Store palatable on Linux.
Mm-hmm
It's good stuff.
Uh, uh, uh, what is MSIXVC?
Alan Wake 2, so that was really nice
Oh, it's the new packaging format for games built with the Microsoft GDK.
I don't actually know what the he- major differences are since I'm not
familiar with it, but You're supposed to be able to play Minecr- wait,
Mm-hmm.
Bedrock?
That could be huge
I'm trying to get that working right now.
And so that's my whole, like, for my kids to get Bedrock running.
I have Java edition, which, which isn't too bad, but I'm making it easier with…
'Cause I, I do have a launcher I've worked with on and off on my own stuff.
Mm-hmm.
it so that it's launching Minecraft without having to go through,
like, some of the archaic, uh, UIs.
But yeah, I don't have-- I'm
a- is it like the Android version of, uh, Minecraft Bedrock that
you're using or something like that?
No, I'm not using Be- Like, that is one way you could go is through Android.
I don't wanna do that though.
I want native PC Bedrock, partially 'cause I own it.
I don't wanna buy, uh, the Android or have my kids use the Android.
They have all their stuff tied to PC, and so for them to use Steam OS, that's a big
part of it is to get Bedrock working on it 'cause they're big into Minecraft Bedrock.
They have Java, and we'd run Java, but, like, Bedrock would be a great step
Right.
So there's a whole FAQ here.
What is Exodus?
When can I play Minecraft Bedrock?
TLDR, soon TM.
How do I get involved?
Uh, what games are, will be supported?
of the catalog, the limitation has to be, the game has to be GDK and an MSIXVC.
far, Gears of War 4 is the prominent unsupported title.
That might be…
I, I don't know what might be… I don't know what's necessarily going
on with, uh, Gears of War 4, uh, since I haven't played that, but yeah,
I mean, it looks like good stuff.
He's ready to get, he's ready to get… He's ready to bring Xbox over to PC
just in time for the new console to
Or else
Yeah
Bring, bringing it to Linux.
It's
Right.
So currently there's no downloadable executable for this 'cause
it's very work in progress,
Yeah
but you could build it from the source if you'd like
Yeah.
I don't know.
I think it's cool, man.
Exodus.
I'm,
I think
I'm gonna read-
too.
yeah.
I'll have to look into it also for my launcher
Also, that is a pretty cool title, uh, for your project, Project Exodus.
Agreed.
Sick.
really good
Now, the Epic Games Store is a little less sick, but I think it's
good that they're supporting Linux even if we all, even if some of us
aren't the biggest fans of Epic Games
Supporting.
I-- Once again, I don't have too many issues personally, like supporting
is very loose there, by the way
Now, some people have gone on record saying that, "Oh, this means Fortnite's
coming to Linux." But like, no, that doesn't necessarily mean that.
I,
It'd be
I think it's gonna come to Linux.
I think they have a lull in their subs- like and they're gonna…
They'll do anything to make sure that they keep that high going.
And s- I think it's gonna come to Linux.
He's
Mm.
his and it's, it's gonna come to Linux eventually.
I don't think this is necessarily the catalyst for that, but yeah
I mean, this is like kind of the prerequisite, right?
Like this has to happen before, uh,
Fortnite
Linux
could come to Linux, but like, yeah
But this came around… This was confirmed 'cause they were-- It was at a conference
where there was someone asked, "Are you going to put this on Linux?" And
then they asked, "It's on our plans." That's what, from my understanding,
what essentially was announced, so
Yeah
so the Epic Games Store is coming to Linux.
I think I would much
Y- when?
Like two years?
Like, it's, uh, like the last time they did stuff like that with a Trello board,
like, it, they didn't get everything done and went past their, due date.
So I'd be more hopeful if they said, "Hey, it's coming out in the
next month," because I want this.
I want more support for Linux for this, for the Epic Games
Store, 'cause I do development and stuff between Godot and this.
It'd be awesome for me to tinker more
right.
without having to go through the loopholes
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm
Sweeney, if you're watching this podcast, I think the smartest thing you could do
is hire Linguin A- and the guys behind
Well,
CLI
I'm pretty sure that,
have
Ep- that Heroic has received at least one, uh, Epic grant, right?
Like the Epic MegaGrants, I'm pretty sure they've done at least one.
I wouldn't be shocked.
Dad
I feel like it's been two even, but I don't know for sure
If it was… Okay, guys, I know we like, like you guys like to shit on Epic.
I'm not, and I'm not gonna be here to defend it, but if it was Rockstar,
they would've just sued them.
Yes
I'm just saying, at least, at least Epic gave them a gr- if they did
give them a grant, that's awesome, and they're trying to support that
Yeah
of things.
And I know it helps them.
I, I know that it can make, you know.
But there's other companies out there, and this is a sad bar.
This is a, this is a very bad, sad bar, but like
So I don't think, I don't s- I don't really shit on Epic
so much as, uh, Tim Sweeney.
Like Epic, I, I mean Epic, and, and they're in bed with Disney,
which is like, you know, one of the worst companies in the world, but
Yeah, you can log on, you can log on to, uh, Epic Store with your Disney account.
Oh, you can?
Oh
I did that yesterday 'cause I needed, I wanted to get a skin
on Fortnite so I could just have something to show off instead of
being just Jonesy from Fortnite.
It's
Okay.
the skin?
You wanna see the skin I got?
Oh my God, is it Disney?
Is it,
it
is it, is it Mickey Mouse?
It's not Mickey Mouse.
It's Perlica from Arknights Endfield.
You get a free skin if you, uh, buy something in Arknights.
So that way I didn't give Epic money.
Yeah,
Oh my gosh.
Games Store, so you gave them a little bit of money, but
Buying Epic is not like… Oh, okay
just, I'm, we… All right, so I, I will, I will admit a lot of my Epic hate is
performative, except for the part where the Epic Games Store kinda runs like ass.
Yeah.
it still, it still runs like ass
it's… The, the, the issues that I have with Epic is that the game store sucks.
They are so far behind in terms of features compared to Steam.
Uh, but really the biggest thing is that Epic, just like pretty much
every other major corporation in the games industry, are like s- at
the crossroads of enshittification.
Like, everything about what they do is about maximizing shareholder
profits and not about, like, actually making good games.
It's about making addictive shit and ruining the gaming industry.
That's, that's the real critique I have of, uh, of Epic if you
w- if you were interested.
it's hard because I agree, but they give back the game community better than most.
I just wish they would… That, that's what is so hard.
Like, Fortnite might be addicting, but it is, uh, in, in, in, in some
of its mechanics and all that it is, but it is, it is not as bad, and I, I
know this is a horrible way to put it, but, like, it's not as bad as a lot
of the more addictive games out there.
They're on the cusp of the enshittification.
They're not… I would not put them as the biggest contributor to it.
They're v- they're on, they're a blip on it
know, for what it's worth, the Epic Games Store is technic- the
Epic Games, uh, company is still technically privately owned.
Yeah, that's true.
So it's
And I mean,
open
But--
shareholders.
I
and I do give them credit
have, it does have sh- um, essentially shares though.
It's got ownerships.
Like,
So there's a lot of owners in it.
a significant amount of them
Tencent, Disney,
I will give them credit because they do do things like the Epic MegaGrants.
The, and it, it hasn't just been, um, uh, heroic.
They gave, uh, one to Lutris, I believe, right?
Like, they've given a bunch of grants to open source.
That's pretty cool.
They also m- uh, when after they delisted Unreal Tournament, uh, the
Unreal Tournament games, they made them freely available on archive.org, right?
And gave the license o- over to archive to be able to distribute those games.
That's cool, right?
Like, they do do cool things, but also, like, they fucking
abandoned Unreal Tournament, and that is unforgivable to me.
So I don't know, dude.
It just makes-
yeah
from, is from a place where
It's a,
them to do better
it's a place of pain.
I, I've personally been wronged by Tim Sweeney, dude.
I think Tim Sweeney's the, is the, is the big problem, but also the…
If they put in a new CEO, like if he like, "Oh, I'm gonna step down,
put a, we'll put a CEO in," 'cause
Yeah, it would be even worse.
he owns 51%.
But,
Yeah
what would happen then?
Would it get worse or better?
I don't like T- Tim Sweeney.
I think he's kind of weird, but he's also been part of the reason why
some of these things have gone okay.
I agree.
Unreal Tournament is… You can still go in there, and you can
tweak it, and you can play with it.
Like, they have their, like, uh, of version of the newest
Unreal, which is interesting.
I found it very fascinating.
But,
Yeah
he's also gone on to shit on Steam.
Like, he has this vendetta.
If he… And I think if he didn't have the vendetta against Valve, Steam, and
all this other, uh, crap like Linux, even though he has supported stuff with
Linux, but he's like, "Well, Fortnite's not gonna be on Linux," and, or whatever.
He's
That's the type of stu-
Valve's position
Yeah, that's the part where I'm like, billionaires just doing fricking
dick-measuring is kind of what it feels
Ja.
I just hate that.
So that's the
Ja.
where I'm like, I'm like, "Okay, whatever, Tim Sweeney." And, and then he does
stuff like that, and I'm like, "Okay, awesome, cool." you have to get into
this whole battle where the other side doesn't even acknowledge you, and you're
just fighting even though Gabe Newell's just chilling on his fricking boat.
I think, I feel like if he actually focused his efforts on making
the Epic Games Store a little better instead of trying to like
spite Valve for no reason, I feel
agree
been a little further along.
Like, we're not criticizing Epic because we outright hate, hate Epic, not like
some people or some subreddits, but we want, we want, we, we're doing it from
a place of we want them to do better.
'Cause
There's
g- ultimately, we want all game companies to do better, even Valve, right?
Yeah
has gotten better, their UI has gotten better.
They just started out, I don't know what tech they were using, but they
should've just copied Valve and using React and using, um, they use a PHP
backend, which I don't know if I for.
But, like, Epic could have gotten much better, and they chose not to.
If they wanted to, l- they, they could give it to me and I could
get them something in a year that would be better than what they have.
Um, but build a… And I, I could guarantee that.
That's a guarantee from me, um, if they gave me the money to do it full time.
But, uh, it's, it's systems that go with it that Steam includes, right?
So, uh, matchmaking and a, a bunch of those different systems that we don't
talk about, the community systems.
Those are… Those take a lot of work to get right.
Valve spent a lot of years working on that.
You can't expect Epic Games to have that overnight, but they definitely
could be working towards stuff faster, and I don't feel like they are So
they could hire more engineers.
There's plenty of engineers that need work now, and they could real- and they
have the money instead of… Like, it's cool that they give away free games, but
they could, you know, maybe redirect that into jobs for engineers and just really
pump out some really good, uh, stuff for Epic, but for the Epic Games Store.
But w- we're gonna go more and more into just me bitching about it.
Yeah.
Yeah, which is why we need to talk about something else.
The gacha games industry going bankrupt, record pace in 2026.
Now, some may consider this to be a good thing because they dislike gacha games,
but I think bankruptcy is bad in general
At first,
guys are, a
yeah
like, lot of these companies used to be like actual game developers that
were essentially forced to make these, uh, because there's basically no
room for like mid-range games, right?
So to speak, right?
It's what the market demanded
Yeah, it's kinda like how, um, there's no middle class anymore.
There's no middle-range PC anymore.
There's no middle-range car anymore
They're not raw.
It's either, like, expensive or you have to get the cheapest thing possible.
There's no middle class
yeah, like developers don't make double A games, and that's why a lot of these
gacha companies ended up making gacha games to survive Now, now on one hand
it means there's less gacha games, but like truth be told, they live and die.
It's a super competitive market in Asia.
To who I wouldn't wa- it sucks.
It really sucks, but I would never wanna work on a gacha game, just
'cause I- that's gotta be so stressful.
Mm-hmm.
Absolutely.
Plus
the trends, and you have to be, uh
You have to be… Yeah, and plus you have to, like, design a game that's
easy enough to play on your phone too, 'cause, like, this is g- this is gonna,
this is gonna sound like a bit of a hot take from me, but, like, a lot of
gacha games are veering too closely to, like, being actual games with stupid
monetary systems, and I kinda just like it when gacha games just let me play
on my phone for like 10 minutes, do my dailies, and then just call it a day.
They don't, they don't expect too much out of me, the player That
the time economy.
I, yeah, I, I think the best way to put it is with a lot of games and a lot of
these gacha games and a lot of these live services, it's the time economy,
and people just don't have time anymore.
Um, they're too busy trying to survive at this point or they can't afford anything.
And so that's also, I think, another reason why these places are
failing more and more is because the time economy is so expensive.
Everything's expensive, including your time
Right.
Like I, on, on the face of it sounds like I would like a game like Zenless
Zone Zero, but like, you need so much fucking time to play that game.
It's a lot
Steam Deck
Like gacha games are made to like play on the like commute,
on like a train or some shit like that, for like five minutes or so
That's what they used to be, wasn't it?
But I don't
That's what they kind of still are.
Okay.
like,
I feel like
the fuck wants to play a game like that on a bus or a train?
True.
The people I know that play gacha games, like in m- in like some friends I, I know,
they, they spend so much time with it.
Um, don't know.
Everyone I've heard that do- does gacha games, they spend too much time on
it as opposed to… Uh, that's why I equate it to it takes a lot of time.
But
Well, I mean, it's one thing if you're sitting on a train doing
nothing, you need something to, and you want something to do.
That's not what they're doing
if you're… Yeah, that's not what they're doing.
Like, what they're doing is they're taking their, their u-
it's their hobby, so to speak.
Which, I mean, I'm not
Which is,
them for that
yeah, which is fine, but yeah.
It gets, it gets… It's an addicting behavior because what… A hobby can be
dropped and you're like, "Oh, okay, I'm gonna go do something else." when it
becomes like a life, life service and uses these dark patterns the, to then
addict you to where like, "I'm gonna miss out on something," they, they want
this r- this feeling of if you leave, missing something, then they've got you.
And they, I, if they did that like once a year, that's a different story.
I think having, um, events where it's like, "This is, you never wanna miss
this event. This is gonna be awesome," it can be very like fun, like a release
of a new console, stuff like that.
They try to replicate that every week with some of these games.
So I don't know.
I don't like it
there has been an interesting trend where a lot of them are being preserved
in a way, where they're releasing like, sometimes they're releasing
offline versions of them as like a full game, and they're pretty fun.
Uh, I think Mega Man X Dive is one.
Maybe some games aren't-- don't deserve to live.
They should just be lost to the sands of time.
No, I, I, I even think with some of these gacha games, yeah, converting
them into offline is a great way to go
Yeah, Capcom did this.
They, they made it a
Ja
play.
wouldn't buy it for 30 bucks, but if it's on sale for like bucks,
you can s- it's pretty good
Well, you must not be a big enough Mega Man fan.
If it was Half-Life and a Half-Life gacha game and it was offline, I
would've bought it for 50 bucks
All right, well, like, okay then.
I'm just, I'm just, I'm just
right, well could be worse though.
could be Nvidia
Hmm.
Do you guys
Ja, wollen sie die
Yeah, this is crazy
So they're embedded in missiles now.
Uh, I thought they'd be, I thought they would be embedded in, like,
missile targeting systems, not fucking the missiles themselves
I have a lot of questions when it comes to this.
I have not read this article because you posted it, I think,
was it last night or, or today?
What does this entail?
'Cause I don't know if it n- yeah, like if-- They can be self-guided.
I don't know if it needs an NVIDIA chip, if they're just reaching out
to stuff because they can't get what these are normally designed with.
Um, I don't know if it needs full AI.
These, these missiles are designed to, uh, in their own form and fashion.
They don't need a specialized, really expensive chip.
It's weird, unless they're adapting
So the, so Russia's S-71 Monochrome cruise missiles use the Jetson Orin
NX, uh, this little thing here or whatever's in this little thing here, for
Mmm.
So they're effectively putting in a super-powered Raspberry Pi in
these co- in these, uh, missiles.
Yeah.
And, uh,
Superpowered is very under… It's very much completely
different than a Raspberry Pi.
This is so powerful with the Tensor Core.
Sorry, continue
Right, but essentially it comes with a bunch of, uh, NVIDIA's own AI
engines, CUDA cores, all that stuff.
Makes it great for things like targeting systems.
Like honestly, I'm surprised they put them in the fucking missiles and not
like in the targeting systems for these
If they're self-guided.
It depends on if they're self-guided or if the targeting s- if
they're using a targeting system.
I agree with you.
Like, I don't know, like, 'cause jammers, other things, that's why they
usually like to do self-guided missiles.
I just don't know how… I don't know the ins and outs of the Ukraine-Russia war
that when it comes to this type of attack
been going on for like a couple years at this point,
It, it's been going on for a long time, so I'm not shocked that they're reaching out
and trying to figure out ways to create their tech in unorthodox or ways, right?
And so this
Hmm.
interesting
the U- the US I believe still has pretty heavy san- very heavy sanctions on Russia,
Yeah
being among them.
So Nvidia claims they have no idea how they end up in Russia.
And, you know, they're, these aren't supposed to be
designed for military purposes.
They're supposed to be designed for students and developers and stuff,
Yeah.
startups
These, these are like AI ASIC boards, if I r- understand it correctly.
Like, these are less Raspberry Pi and more, um, Cyclone, um, development boards.
What, Cyclone, what, what's the term that I'm looking for?
What gamers use to, like, make, uh, um, like hardware-based emulators?
FPGAs
FPGA.
It's, it's m- it's closer to that than it is a Raspberry Pi,
if I understand it correctly.
Yeah, I mean, uh, fuck man, I don't know.
They, they
It should be plenty of power for what they're needing to, to do.
Um, if they've adapted this, this is, this is much m- this is probably a lot
cheaper to make that type of system with this type of chip than it would be through
a contractor that charges so much more.
Um, they're probably just third party.
They're probably just buying it from multiple places and just
getting it shipped in, uh, through grounds means, uh, into Russia.
Like, the… I don't think NVIDIA's directly doing it, but, uh, it
doesn't look good for NVIDIA either
Right.
Did this have an effect on their stock price?
Uh, well, this
Follow in
yesterday Let's find out.
Probably not as much as we expected, to be honest
Umph
But sh- let's see.
Oh, NVIDIA scales back funding guarantee for Ohio OpenAI data center.
Interesting.
not the topic we're talking about today, but interesting to see.
Um, essentially, but like how can NVIDIA really regulate this?
'Cause fucking their chips get smuggled out to China somehow, and
probably smuggled out to Russia too.
It's hard to com- like, uh, we're fighting a, a different battle.
It should be sanctioned and, and we should be closing it down on another
f- the whole Ukraine-Russia thing.
But, like, it's really telling that they're able to adapt to this type
of technology, and it's gonna make warfare cheaper if they keep on
doing this type of thing, 'cause this has gotta be dr- like I said,
drastically cheaper than going through, like a military industrial, uh, uh,
Contractor.
contractor.
Those th- those
The…
They way overcharge for things, but that's not a
Yeah
to make sure war is expensive 'cause we don't want it,
Right.
The, the, I think the real question here is, like, NVIDIA didn't know this
was happening, but, like, if these, uh, chips, these, you know, NUCs, I
don't even know what you wanna call them, are included in missiles, then
they must be being purchased at scale.
Like, I mean, they're, they must have thousands of these coming into
the country, either being smuggled in or being, in some way, like,
on their b- on NVIDIA's books.
Like, there, there has to be some kind of statistical analysis that they could do
to be like, "These are the vendors that are very clearly buying and smuggling
these into Russia." Like, I, uh, it seems very… I, I mean, dude, it's wild
This is more of a fail on the sanct- sanctions.
Do you really think with all the th- the crap that's going on with America
that we're actually even adher- adhering to those sanctions very well?
Yeah.
Well, I mean, it's not just the US, right?
It's like a lot of Western countries, so…
No,
too.
but y- yes.
You're not wrong, but we're the, we're the leaders when it comes to
that type of, like, the sanctions.
We, we're the ones that are f- are forcing it more.
I mean, so is Europe, don't get me wrong.
if one f- with one side falls and falters, then it doesn't matter at that point.
If Europe was the one that was faltering, then they could
just smuggle through Europe.
If r- if America falters and Japan all, like that's the other side, they could
just smuggle it, or Br- or, or China.
if you don't have enough countries adhering to sanctions,
then it doesn't matter.
And it, NVIDIA's a American company too, so, um,
Yeah
comes back to us to regulate our country or our
Yeah
an, it's an interesting conundrum too.
Uh, now that said, if you guys… It kinda reminds me of the whole Palmer Luckey
situation with the mod, uh, Retro 64.
You guys hear about
Ja.
Ja
And I mean, I don't know, I don't know if it's as direct 'cause, you know,
Nvidia doesn't have a… Well, is it?
I don't think it's fair to say Nvidia doesn't have military con- like
some- something like investing in military given how prominent AI is.
But like, do you see Nvidia being affected the same way in the sort of like, I w-
I don't wanna say culture war, but like culture war that like the Mod Retro 64 is?
No, they're not being swept up like the same way
Yeah, 'cause a lot, I mean, 'cause a lot of people don't like the
mod Retro 64 primarily because of Palmer Luckey's involvement
Yeah.
Uh, and also 'cause there's also a pretty good alternative too, uh,
either playing on original hardware or playing on the Analogue 64.
Nvidia, in theory they have alternatives like AMD, but in practice
there's nothing quite like Nvidia.
Yeah,
Right
that's the hard situation.
That's the hard little situation too.
Plus, can you really trust gamers to be principled like that if AM-
if Nvidia turned out to… No?
I didn't think so either Yeah.
So this is the little thing.
It costs about 1,500 for your average user to buy it, AKA us They, they don't,
they probably don't buy these NUCs though.
They pr- they definitely buy some sort of module instead
Ja
Look, see?
There's our little
Probably buy whatever they can… Yeah, they probably buy whatever they can get,
they
and then desolder it if they need to.
Yeah
Yeah.
But,
I mean, Russia's infamous for their software developers.
not like they're not capable of, of
They're
creating something like this, yeah, and adapting it.
But it's also probably telling too, like they just don't have
the equipment to do-- to keep up their war, but they're finding ways
Well, when you wanna kill someone, all you really need is a rock.
They can figure out ways to do it, unfortunately.
Ja
but speaking of killing things, Google.
You guys hear about this?
No
So Google removed someone's digital copy of the Lord of the
Rings trilogy They bought it on like Google Movies or some shit.
They've
Yeah
from their library
I've-- So Google Movies or whatever it is, they went away from that.
I think it's been moved into YouTube or something like that.
Like,
Mm-hmm
I honestly, I fucking have just dropped Google all fucking together
because they keep on doing this stuff where they're like, they had like
software that I liked using, podcasting software, some other soft-- like movies.
I was buying some of my movies through that, and then they like closed it down.
I'm like, "Okay, cool." used to that.
It was working fine.
You didn't even have to push any updates really.
Um, and then you folded it into s- another service, which I like YouTube,
but I don't want YouTube and my movies mixed together 'cause then it just makes
it harder for me to distinguish them.
And they-- This is so indicative of them to just… It probably
got lost along the way too 'cause they're just so incompetent now.
For developers, they're so incompetent
Yep
Well, and then there's also been a bit of an update too since this happened.
So they gave him … So they did give him a refund, and they
Which is good
watch it again, but apparently this video requires payment to watch again
I- I'm just-- The way that they've treated their users and not have
really good… don't, I just, I don't like, I, I just hate it.
As a, as a, uh, engineer and someone that develops software and using
Google products has just pissed me off.
That's why I don't use Google anymore.
Apple has its own issues, but I don't have near…
Like, they've been so consistent over the past few decades that
I just, yeah, stick to those
a favor, get Blu-ray.
Hmm.
Blu-ray, watch it.
I promise you it'll be a
Yeah
better experience
Yep
much better experiences though, I mean, you guys have… When's the last time
you guys have seen Lord of the Rings?
I'm sure you guys have seen it, right?
Never
Never?
Hey Gardiner, have you never seen Lord of the Rings?
No.
I saw, I, I once went with my youth group, uh, when I was, like, a church
guy to see the last one in the movie theater, and I wasn't paying attention.
I, I'm not a big, uh … I don't like p- well, history … Not history.
Um, fantasy really.
I'm a sci-fi guy
I'm a bigger sci-fi guy, but like of the Rings was so iconic growing up.
Oh my gosh.
I- it's one that I'd watch the extended edition with my,
with my dad, and I could get--
Oh, really?
Oh yeah, and yeah
of the Rings is so good, Gardiner.
You need to watch it from the very
It really is good
can skip The Hobbit movies, to be honest.
But the original trilogy, mwah
Yeah, I've been in a, uh, I've been in a weird place emotionally where, like,
watching old movies regardless of if I would've liked them when I was younger or
not, it just… There's something about old movies that are just comforting,
so I probably will give it a shot
Yeah.
You know, you know The Lord of the Rings, uh, Return of the King,
the last one, won every Oscar
Oh, yeah.
Every
So it was like Clair Obscura
Well, no, Clair Obscur didn't win every Oscar, I mean every game award
Oh, okay.
Well, it should have.
It should have won everything
Best fighting game?
Okay, I see where you're
Best
Yeah.
Yeah, that's funny
But yeah, Lord of the Rings is one of those seminal movies, man.
It's, it's
Mm-hmm.
Nice
That Matrix… Yeah
also like the books too, Gardiner
Maybe,
very, very long and very s- um,
Dense,
intense, yeah.
intense, dense.
Yeah
The Silmarillion too.
I tried reading it, like, when I was in high school.
It was a lot, let's just say.
Uh, but I could probably read it now since I'm a grown-up and not a stupid
high schooler Ah, but you know, you know what has good writing though?
Hmm
game apparently.
Apparently the write- apparently a writer for, um, this game
right here, Rideshare Simulator, quote-unquote, stri- uh, Rideshare
Oh my God
replaced with AI, ChatGPT allegedly, so she said.
But
This whole story is a ride, like it's a ride-along.
Like it's crazy dr- uh, ride.
Sorry, continue.
No pun intended?
Well, it was intended.
Uh, well, here's my question though.
Who the fuck wants to play a game about you being an Uber driver?
Dude, yeah
play it
Oh, l- uh, I, I, I don't fucking know, man.
anyways, the CEO fired back.
He said that it wasn't written by AI, but I would happily I would've done so in
retrospect, basically, is what he's saying
Dude, he goes back and forth.
He's like, "I don't know this person and everything, but she's
horrible." And it's like, "O- okay."
I've got
S-
I've got the quote, I've got the quote right here.
Uh
like Trump to me, but Uh, the way he acts, yeah
Dude, th-
What?
This is fucking stupid, man.
You didn't have to blow up your game over this And yeah, now they put…
When I put the, when I put the Steam page in, they didn't have this AI
dis- they didn't have this AI, uh, disclaimer, but now they do And
that's…
the
you go
story, campaign written by a team of human writers, AI tools used for
voice generation, some localization.
Free ride mode includes AI-generated passenger missions and localized dialogue.
Free rider mission, free ride mode is separate from the
main campaign, can be skipped.
Who prefer to experience only human… Do you know how stupid
this sounds on the face of it?
Just don't play a
Mhm.
Ja
Like, if I buy a game, I wanna pl- I wanna play all the modes.
Unless it's Rush from, uh, Battlefield 6 But fuck, man.
I, I don't, I don't know, man.
also shout outs to this extension right here, AI Warning for Steam
Oh, yeah
They updated it to where, uh, they updated it to where if it shows games that are
AI con- generated, it does this too.
That's awesome
Yeah,
Like fully AI generated or just uses some AI?
Well, it has AI, it has a disclosure basically
Yeah, that's my-- This is my only problem with some of this where I'm
like, I think future there's gonna be little bits of AI touching everything.
Not we think it is though.
Like to replace the writer with AI is crazy.
That's, that's one where I'm like, yeah, I wanna-- I don't--
I wanna avoid games like that.
But the, like I've mentioned before in the past, I've used quote unquote
"AI" for a decade for writing a, um, for writing code partially 'cause it,
it will give you, um, uh, predictive analysis and stuff like that.
Um,
here's an interesting use
yeah
here, though.
It says here, "The AI generates responses to the player's interrogations," for
That's also one that I think would be very interesting is
Yeah
uh, reactions and having playthroughs be very different
Right.
And I, I can see a use for that.
I mean, I mean, you c- I mean, you still have acc- It's not
like it hides the games entirely.
You can still hover to see what it looks like.
Like game certifli- this game certified looks like AI-generated ass
Yes
it doesn't look very fun either, to be honest.
And when you click on the page, it tells you immediately what's been AI generated.
See live AI gaming companion, what your sidekick says is generated on the fly.
It's not pre-scripted.
Some AI, some artwork marketing was created with AI assistance.
kinda dumb, to be honest
sound that bad though
Well, I mean, not the AI.
I mean, if, if it's like a real AI companion, it's whatever, I guess.
But
Yeah.
Even the marketing not… Is like AI assistance different than AI generated?
But yeah.
Sorry, I know I'm getting like very much in the like minutia of things,
but it's… This is my problem with a lot of this stuff, 'cause people
will hear AI and they're like, "Okay, completely shut down," even though
there's a lot of tools that will help.
Heck, even uh, well, I, I don't really like it, but in Canva has AI assistance
where you could s- maybe set up the scenes and stuff like that more easily.
That's not the same though.
Like I, it… I don't know.
Making thumbnails in Canva is how I do it, but if I relied on the
AI tools it'd look like garbage.
But if you use it to like set up certain things or maybe cut certain
things up, a different thing than just having the whole thing generated
Ah, this is the one where they replaced the writers with ChatGPT.
To replace the what?
the writers.
Oh yeah
is the trail- this is the, this is the YouTube section.
AI writing and voices, voice work.
AI slop.
Confirmed with the head writer they were working on it, replaced
with ChatGPT mid-development.
How much AI did you use for this one?
All right.
I think they do deserve the flak in this case.
They
Okay.
replaced some- re- they replaced people's jobs
Yeah
Like if, if they're ma- not making money and they need to
cut corners, uh, who knows?
Whatever.
But like, there is no need and there's no way, in my opinion,
that ChatGPT is gonna do a better job than an actual game writer.
the only way I see ChatGPT, and I'd hopefully use a different model and use a
different system to include like real AI interactions, like so there's like real…
Like it feels like you're interacting with an AI, but fully scripted.
But that's a different type of game.
That's not this type of game
Right.
This, like, yeah, there's no ins- there's n- there's nothing like that
in the game from what I understand.
I mean, obviously we haven't played it 'cause it's not out yet, but
nothing in the description suggests that it's, like, actually, like,
randomly generated on the fly and not just… Yeah, whatever, whatever.
I don't really care anymore.
we can, we can, we can m- we can memory hole this game.
let's talk about lawyers
Oh, fun.
My other favorite topic
So this lawyer right here, uh, Haley McLean, is an IP lawyer for a bunch
of different studios and whatnot, and essentially, w- uh, essentially
almost every, like, modern contract nowadays includes a clause about
AI, namely anti-AI, whether it's small indie devs to big publishers.
And, uh, she's noted that these sorts of clauses and these sorts of legal
contracts have increased their prevalence in the past couple of years due to AI
Wait, so what, what is she s- what's…
She's an A- she's an, uh, she's an IP lawyer for, uh, Voyer Law,
Yes
basically talking about how essentially more of these, like, contracts with,
like, game developers and publishers are including anti-AI clauses
So the, the studios are including anti-AI clauses in the contracts with publishers?
Stu- yeah, and publishers also including them too
Oh, interesting.
end too,
Oh, cool
so they want like developers to not use AI so it doesn't like shitify their game.
But vice versa, the publishers can't be like, "Hey, you gotta put AI in this
as a marketing technique or something."
Here's, uh, here's an example that they gave us here, a, uh, anonymized one.
Re- redacted to avoid the use of generative AI systems and
software whenever possible.
Redacted shall not, A, use any generative AI technologies or tools in the creation
of the game product, and B, insert any game product into A- into any AI
system libraries or databases without prior written consent from redacted.
This, a violation of this section redacted is a material breach of this agreement.
Interesting.
I like that
so it's both not using AI systems in the game, and B, not, uh, not putting
said game into an AI system afterwards, which makes perfect sense to me
Also sounds like a stick control how they wanna do it too, though
Yeah, it does sound like they wanna control it too, which, I mean, it is their
So if they, if they will, if they wanna put it in their own AI systems
or whatever, so they can choose.
I don't know.
It's interesting
Yeah, so essentially a lot of publishers, a lot of bigger publishers have been
putting this in now, and as such, a lot of smaller publishers have been
following suit 'cause that's just what the big companies do nowadays And they've
noted that AI g- gen AI use has a major business effect, uh, because of how
anti-AI their current perception is.
Let's see.
I don't wanna use gen AI in my my community would hate it.
guys seen the Stellar Blade AI-generated music video?
Oh my God, it's so fucking awful
Amazing.
I haven't-- I don't think I've seen it though
Dude, they have a fucking talent… They have a pretty fucking good team
making games, and now they used AI for a whole fucking music video.
What the f- like, fuck, man
That's the part where I really get tired of AI is the, is the companies
that have the money to do it, uh, to, to actually pay talent and
they're not even-- They're using AI.
That's the part that gets me
Yeah, like it really calls into question whether or not the game's
gonna u- is using AI in part of its development at some point.
'Cause, you know, their willingness to put out a, what is essentially an ad
that's AI generated for a game, like why?
Let's see.
There's also some things Let's, let's see.
also mentioned that, uh, you know, Legacy of Atlant- Tomb Raider: Legacy of the
Masque, been criticized for use of AI.
Legacy of the Masque gets sloppy with it and uses a bunch of assets
that are not humanly transformed into the original works of IP, she
could argue that anyone could claim that they can lift those assets, too.
That's, that, that's the thing too,
Mm.
you could… Like, if this is, like, entirely AI generated, you could legally
lift these assets and use them in your own game without legal recompense
Hmm.
Interesting
Like if, let's see, for example, if Legacy of Atlantis had an outdoor level and all
the trees are AI generated, I could, I would argue someone could go and use every
tree in the Lara Croft game and, and that they know is AI generated and put those
in their games, and I don't think the devs could turn around and say, "Those are our
trees." So that's also another thing to consider too, especially since you don't
have copyright over, uh, AI-generated assets too, like fully AI generated.
Of course, what counts as human transformation, I don't know.
Maybe you could change like a pixel on like the textures and that counts?
Probably
The
A single pixel?
Probably not
I mean, this is where copyright, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Like, I've always kind of been a copyright skeptic.
Um, but like when it comes to, you know, protecting the author's
integrity, like the integrity of the author's vision, that's where
copyright starts to make sense to me.
So it's like if there is no author, if it's generated by an AI, then it
shouldn't have any copyright protection.
Um, so I don't know.
It's very, it's a very messy, messy business.
Right.
So it's, it's the entire, the whole contract situation is very pragmatic, for
protecting their own assets and whatnot, as well as ensuring that… Yeah, I mean,
they also s- you know, they also like to mention that the community would hate it
too, which I mean, is perfectly fair, and I think it's a valid point to have You
know what, you know what company isn't listening to their community though?
Take a wild guess, Gardiner and James
Um, Google
That's right.
So YouTube
You have the notes.
You cheated, Gardiner.
That's right.
YouTube has doubled the, uh, requirements to join their partner program
Yeah, this is… Oh, man.
Didn't they lower it not too long ago?
A
They did.
they, like, doubled it.
So
Yeah
those who don't know, the YouTube Partner Program is how you can get
paid to make videos through ad revenue.
And let me tell you, the ad revenue is kinda shit
Oh my God.
I, just to, just to touch on that, Hi Tech, I went and looked.
I've been doing YouTube for 12 years.
I went and looked at my CPM, my average CPM for my YouTube channel in
2016 when I first became a partner.
My CPM back then was, I think it was $12.34 or something to that effect, and
my most recent, like in the last two or three years, my average CPM is $2.50.
So just, just to put that into perspective, in 10 years it's
dropped, like, I don't even know what the percentage is, like 80%.
I mean, that's what it seems.
So yeah, if you wanna join the partner program, that's what you
can look forward to, getting screwed
So the req- the current requirements are that you have to have 1,000
subscribers, which we're not, that which the podcast isn't h- isn't
is not 1,000 subscribers yet.
also need 8,000 qualified watch hours over the last 12 months, or
20 million qualified view shorts in under, in the last 90 days.
That, that, okay, that, like, all right.
The 8,000 is reasonable, but, like, the 20 million in fucking three months is insane
Actually, I think the current requirements are 4,000 watch hours and 10 million
Yeah.
views.
Yeah, they
And the, the upgrade.
Yeah
I think the 10 million things is kind of insane too.
I don't think I've ever gotten anywhere near 10 million.
No
form
That's…
way easier.
I
Yeah,
way better
Yeah.
It's not like… Well, the thing is with shorts, they don't even pay almost at all.
Right
Yeah, they
They're good for growth, but they're really garbage
I mean, I'll still make shorts for, um, things I don't feel
like making a full video on.
I mean, that's what they're for
Yeah, it, it's, uh, there, there's nothing wrong with that.
It's just if someone's trying to be a shorts channel, go to TikTok or Instagram.
Um, they make money off of that.
They… I don't know.
I don't think they have to hit those types of, uh, metrics to make money, so
I don't know what it is with YouTube, but
Dude, it's wild
I don't know.
I don't, I don't know, um, about the, those companies.
But what we do know is if you wanna make long form content,
YouTube is the place to go.
It's almost the only place to go, truth be told.
And, uh, because Twitch isn't doing much better either They introduced
this training… They introduced this right here, this, uh, gen- training
for generative AI, and it's opt-out, meaning everyone by default has opted in.
have to go into the settings and disable it, and I've read reports about how
people have disabled it, and then when they go back into the menu, it just
re-enables itself, like immediately
Wow
do they reload the whole-- Like, do they disable it then re- like reload the whole
page and then go back and then try it?
Or do they just close it and bring it back up?
I believe they saved the settings.
I,
Or- I don't know.
I don't know, but it's stupid.
Yeah.
Sorry, I'm-- Just as an engineer, I, I am gonna ask that because sometimes
will save to the back end and the UI will save in that one spot,
but it's not, um, uh, retroactive, so it won't go to other places.
Or if you bring it back up, it might be loading an old state.
I only say that just so that we have the full picture, but yeah.
So we
Yeah
stream, uh, because I don't feel like managing a Twitch
account as well, to be honest.
Let's be perfectly frank.
Hmm
I think
some Twitch streaming in the past, but yeah, sorry, continue with that
I think Y- I mean, I think YouTube's perfectly fine
for your one channel, right?
Like, you can stream and put down long-form videos too.
Yeah, but over the years it really depends.
It can hurt your channel though.
So it's not always a good idea to be streaming on your ma- on channels.
Sometimes it's good to split that up.
So there's a lot of different tactics to do.
And so there, there… I mean, you also have different audience
in Twitch, over at Twitch.
It's, it is different.
They had, they had much better streaming tools.
I'm not trying to be, like, defensive.
I… Twitch isn't, know, it, it is interesting.
But
Right.
another thing too is, uh, they also admitted on a li- a Twitch live stream
that they made it opt out because if they made it opt in, no one would ever opt
Yeah.
Yeah
of course.
Who's gonna opt into that?
They have to do it in action, and then on top of that they have to
be like, "Yeah, why you can use it." Like, what, what benefit
do… This is my problem with this.
What benefit do the Twitch streamers get from this?
Are they gonna get cut backs if you start using that to make money?
Like, that's the problem ultimately with AI, I think ul- uh, with
training and generative and all that.
Are the people that you're essentially taking advantage of, are they
making money from what you're doing?
The answer is no, and I'm willing to bet in the future they may make
it so that you… 'Cause, like, YouTube, you cannot opt out of it.
Like, all, like our,
Yeah
podcast, our videos, we're feeding the Google algorithm, and
there's no way to opt out of it.
Yeah
see it in the future where they just make it a requirement.
They make it mandatory.
if
yeah
they'll make it so that you don't get paid on Twitch.
They could easily do a lot of those things.
They like tying-- Like, when it comes to the partner program there,
they really like tying certain weird incentives to it to keep getting paid.
I've, I've, I've been partnered over there, not partner-partnered, but
I've, I've gotten to where I make money off of Twitch a few years ago.
But
I was streaming on Twitch in like 20- 2016, 2017, something like that,
and I was making money from it.
Um, and then they did a bunch of stuff that screwed over Linux users, and
I was like, "Well, this sucks." So I can't remember exactly, um, but there
was some big hullabaloo about it.
Um, but I just went in and tried to shut it off, and it, it did, it…
I shut off the training generat- generative AI button, and when I
refreshed the page, it did stay off.
So that's progress.
I just
Dude
they're gonna do with it.
I, I don't know what they're gonna do with the generative stuff.
They're gonna make-- replace, like, content creators with this.
It is expensive.
That type of tech to run a content creator that's completely
generated would be expensive.
And then I don't think they could re- they could only do it, like, one or two at a
ti- like, I don't think people want that.
I don't think it's gonna be a very great… It, it just seems expensive.
It seems expensive.
In fact, I would push back on this.
If they wanna do that on their own dime, they should start paying,
uh, Twitch streamers more they're taking the profits and stuff.
Instead of giv- like, giving them 50% like YouTube, they could start splitting.
Okay, well, if you can do that and spend all that money on the generative
side, then that means you have tons more money you could be splitting.
You could be doing, like, a f- 30 fi- uh, 70 split or something like
that where the, uh, creator gets 70%.
where it's calling out to me is more that they have way too much
money to, than what th- they know what to do with Sorry, tangent over.
sorry.
I, I, there is a website, uh, that lets you, like, calculate how much
money Twitch loses for every, um… Because, uh, my understanding is that
T- Twitch is not profitable and, and for every additional viewer that you have
on, like, watching your stream, they lose a, a, an, a calculatable number,
and I can't fin- seem to find it, but
say that, but they own AWS.
The-- It's, it's all Hollywood accounting stuff where they make you want to think
they're losing, so they're not getting taxed, they're not having to do what they
Okay.
They're not.
They're not make-- they're not losing money.
They're making plenty of money from it
All right, fair enough
I'm sorry, I'm, I'm pretty adamant with YouTube and Twitch and
some of these companies that say that they're not making money.
They're, uh, th- it's, it's the most abhorrent type of lying to me.
It's so that they don't have to pay people more, and that they can, uh, make it
look like that they're… I don't know.
It, it's a whole accounting thing.
It really, ticks me off when they do this.
Sorry, I'm not saying that
No, no
y- you definitely could be right, Gardiner.
It's just, it's one of those things where I, I just don't like it
Yeah.
Well, I, my understanding, like, that, that's fair.
I think that that's definitely probably true to some degree, that
it's like Hollywood accounting.
But also, like, s- live streaming in particular is extremely expensive.
Like, uh, even just streaming video is extremely expensive.
And, um, and so I wouldn't be surprised if it is true that they are losing
money for every person that watches, but they also, uh, you know, are, they're
backed by Daddy Bezos, and so they're not actually losing money, right?
Like, I don't know.
Someone
It could be
systems that have had to handle streaming thousands of
Yeah
built systems for one of the companies I worked for in
the, uh, almost a decade ago.
not as expensive as they say they are.
Hmm, okay
but with-- if you're, if, if you incorporate how many ad drops
that they have, no, they're making so much more money off of it.
Every stream, every person that gets an ad delivered to them
pays easily for that stream
Hmm.
Yeah, what… Honestly, man, what is one to do if you don't like AI?
Just build your own website where you, uh, pay, where you force people to pay a
monthly subscription to watch our stuff?
It's
Patreon?
I'm
All right.
Like, there's a lot of different ways to do all this.
know if completely abandoning everything that says AI is the right
way to go, but I definitely think we need more grassroots systems, right?
It's just really hard to do that It's kind of
Ja
take on it
enough.
But, uh, there is some good news though.
You guys ever see this?
What is that?
That is a Steam Deck
Oh
The GabeBoy.
Someone the entire Steam Deck took out a lot of the internal components
and shoved it in what is essentially a little 3D-printed, uh, DMG
That's cool
You might wanna, you might wanna watch the video feed for this one since, uh, it's
significantly smaller than the Steam Deck.
Mm-hmm.
uh, what's the aspect ratio?
It looks like it's 4:3.
Yeah
know, retro games, stuff like that.
have a custom display board.
It's AMOLED.
They had to get a custom fan.
And admittedly, they're missing some of the controls.
Like, they're missing, uh, the triggers, and triggers.
They're missing a whole set of sticks.
They're missing another… They're missing a D-pad.
Well, no, they have the D-pad.
No, they're missing one analog stick and one trackpad.
Yeah
So I mean, it's still cool that it functions though.
Uh, so there is a video of it in motion though.
That's not the video, but you can also dock it too, by the way.
I should mention that
Oh, cool.
or worse
That m- must be heavy.
Mm, probably, probably is heavy, but I
Yeah.
it being much more heavy than the original DMG
Right
That fan being outside, though, is kinda scary though.
Yeah
But that, this is genuinely really cool
Have we seen it with the screen, like the built-in screen working?
Um, unfortunately we have not seen it with it.
I think he's still trying to get the screen working.
Uh, but yeah, there's a whole subreddit dedicated to modding your Steam Deck.
this case, it's the Steam Deck modded, uh, subreddit here.
Now, he had to build a custom… He had to build a bunch of custom PCBs to get, uh,
the display working by co- So you look at all these custom PCBs he had to build too.
This is insane
Wow
He… Oh, that's the original battery.
Holy shit I don't even know where you
Crazy
Dude, what the fuck?
This is cr- this is insane He built a custom heat sink sy- uh, heat sink
setup He put volume buttons and then another… Oh, this is a, this is the
original DAC that the, uh, Steam Deck has.
cool that you can repurpose a lot of parts
Mm-hmm.
but it sounds like I might be something in- interested in something like this.
Uh, but I mean, the only caveat for me is I need bumpers and triggers.
Yeah
live with, I could live without the sticks or the track pad, but
the bumpers, triggers, I need them
You could easily put those into it.
Just make it jet out a little bit more.
But there, there's a Game Boy-esque or, you know, Game
Boy-like, um, that have them But it
Yeah, I have, I have the, uh, Retroflag GPi case here, which is like a, a
Raspberry Pi, uh, compute module thing.
And, um, it has like… It's kinda hard to see, but there are, there
are at least bumpers here that you can push, but… And they're, they're
very well integrated into the device
He should do that
Yeah
Now, yeah, right there, five days ago, he said the screen's not yet connected.
It's a large task getting it working and all that stuff.
It's a higher resolution than the original Steam Deck screen, I should mention
Oh, interesting
I believe it's, uh 1200 by 1080, so it's a 1080p panel.
hertz AMOLED display.
Originally intended for VR.
Hmm
What, wait, what VR, what VR is using this screen right here?
I don't know, but it's pretty cool regardless Now, realistically, I
don't think we could have expected him to put everything in here, but
the fact that he put in so much of it as is, is genuinely impressive.
There are some mission critical pieces that are still missing though,
like I said, the, the triggers.
There are quite a few games that use triggers But yeah, I mean,
you, would you build one of these?
No, probably not
I think it's fascinating.
I wouldn't build one partially 'cause I just don't-- I would not
use that form factor like that
Yeah
But it's cool.
I love seeing modding.
I love s- modding, um, different devices or modding from a one
device to a different device
Wow, look at this.
He made an, he made a whole Avatar Legends arcade cabinet with a Steam
Mach- with presumably a Steam Deck.
See what else we have here.
Uh, oh yeah, that's the SteamBoy.
There's the Evangelion themed Steam Deck There's the Steam Boy again.
This is a pretty interesting thread.
This is a pretty interesting subreddit.
I'm gonna keep an eye out on this.
I
Hmm.
Yeah,
see
I agree with that
Uh, yeah, but I don't really have much more.
Uh, you guys have anything?
No
No, I don't think so
All right.
Well, uh, it's a pretty good video.
We got a lot, we got a lot of topics done.
It was a little depressing, uh, towards the beginning, mainly
with the bonus episode, I mean,
Yeah, the bonus episode was…
Yeah
Yeah.
But, but we made up for it here, so if you wanna feel depressed,
go watch the bonus episode.
about EDP445
Oh, it's too, it's too much for YouTube.
Too much for YouTube
I'm surprised YouTube let that documentary on there too
Yeah.
That's wild
Mm-hmm.
All right.
You guys have any further questions or concerns before we go?
No.
I just, I just want Steam Frame to come out in a couple weeks.
That's it
Yeah
worry, it'll come out with Half-Life 3
That would be, that'd be sick
The copium The copium
you guys take care now.
Yes.
We'll see you next time
Peace out.
Later, guys
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