1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,885 Welcome to Off the Console, the hottest new podcast that's all about gaming tech news and anything nerdy. 2 00:00:05,885 --> 00:00:17,956 This week we're covering the biggest news, including Computex, a bunch of, ah let's just say the AMD Nvidia feud is continuing with some Intel injected in there. 3 00:00:17,956 --> 00:00:20,920 uh don't, yeah, we'll get into it. 4 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:27,800 I'm not gonna make any jokes about Nvidia yet on that, but we're also gonna be doing some Switch 2. 5 00:00:28,136 --> 00:00:35,463 leaks on it being uh maybe not as good as the Steam Deck in some ways and uh various other topics that we always like to talk about. 6 00:00:35,463 --> 00:00:37,555 With us is a special guest. 7 00:00:37,555 --> 00:00:40,768 That's uh what, your second time now, the Fox? 8 00:00:40,768 --> 00:00:41,313 Welcome. 9 00:00:41,313 --> 00:00:42,175 time I've been here, yeah. 10 00:00:42,175 --> 00:00:43,318 Thank you for having me back, guys. 11 00:00:43,318 --> 00:00:44,301 Really appreciate it. 12 00:00:44,301 --> 00:00:44,765 Welcome. 13 00:00:44,765 --> 00:00:45,702 yeah, it's... 14 00:00:45,702 --> 00:00:47,907 always welcome to join us whenever you'd like. 15 00:00:48,628 --> 00:00:50,635 I learn so much every time. 16 00:00:52,020 --> 00:00:55,889 Yeah, is truly an OG when it comes to these handhelds. 17 00:00:55,889 --> 00:00:57,734 The PC-handled world. 18 00:00:57,734 --> 00:01:00,720 Yeah, there was dozens of us in the long, long ago. 19 00:01:01,444 --> 00:01:03,888 nine years ago, there was dozens of us. 20 00:01:04,263 --> 00:01:05,404 Nice. 21 00:01:06,507 --> 00:01:12,138 Yeah, I've, man, I remember senior episodes from back then are your videos. 22 00:01:12,138 --> 00:01:13,440 So um, 23 00:01:14,955 --> 00:01:21,400 I think we all, I don't know when you all found him, but I found him when he was doing reviews on the old GPD wins. 24 00:01:21,461 --> 00:01:24,485 The really old ones are based on Intel. 25 00:01:24,485 --> 00:01:31,419 despite knowing that they weren't technically that good compared to my game piece or whatever, they looked really cool, I will say. 26 00:01:31,419 --> 00:01:33,622 I think they opened up a lot of eyes for a lot of people. 27 00:01:33,622 --> 00:01:38,509 They thought that it would not have been possible at all to do that in a handheld form factor. 28 00:01:38,509 --> 00:01:42,385 So I think that was the start of seeing the light. 29 00:01:42,385 --> 00:01:43,145 Yeah. 30 00:01:44,246 --> 00:01:52,189 Yeah, I love pushing little small, like the little things to do as big as tasks as I want it to do, like with games and stuff. 31 00:01:52,189 --> 00:01:52,850 It's always fun. 32 00:01:52,850 --> 00:01:56,811 ah Also with me is Gardner and Hi-Tech. 33 00:01:56,811 --> 00:02:00,633 And then, of course, I'm James or you can also the brink, whatever else. 34 00:02:00,633 --> 00:02:01,593 So. 35 00:02:02,354 --> 00:02:07,416 Well, let's dive into what we've been doing this week, what we've been playing, starting with the Fox. 36 00:02:07,876 --> 00:02:09,997 Anything like what have you been doing this week? 37 00:02:11,031 --> 00:02:22,096 So I've been this week was actually pretty productive for me for the amount of videos that I have uploaded this week So I got a fair amount of stuff done Video game wise it's been 38 00:02:22,096 --> 00:02:32,541 falling behind I have been wanting to play doom the dark ages for about ten days now and I haven't been able to Actually start playing it, but that's because I was playing 39 00:02:32,541 --> 00:02:34,614 blueprints and oblivion 40 00:02:34,614 --> 00:02:40,726 So I've been kind of going back and forth between those two games, and I still want to play Doom the Dark Ages right now. 41 00:02:40,726 --> 00:02:45,054 But Oblivion is where I'm kind of firmly seated. 42 00:02:45,873 --> 00:02:47,452 What is blueprints? 43 00:02:48,012 --> 00:03:02,443 Blueprints is yeah, man like the genre of blueprints is like a bunch of stuff if you could imagine like uh a card a card based board game that you are shuffling a deck of rooms and 44 00:03:02,443 --> 00:03:13,161 you are placing those rooms down in This grid like pattern the thing is that there it's it's a rogue like it There's just a bazillion things that they just tacked on to this as 45 00:03:13,161 --> 00:03:14,902 like you can go on and on for 46 00:03:15,098 --> 00:03:18,120 what it is, but essentially that's what it is. 47 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:31,187 It's a rogue-like deck builder, house builder, mansion builder, and as you are building that out, there are clues to figure out and piece out. 48 00:03:31,187 --> 00:03:40,791 It's a little bit brutal with regard to RNG, and you can't see your deck at all until you're ready to deal. 49 00:03:40,791 --> 00:03:49,333 Basically, so you go up to a door and it's like here's your three cards and you're like, well I you know Sometimes you're get like if you had the foresight to know there was like 50 00:03:49,333 --> 00:04:01,566 something some of them you need resources to be able to lay down and You may or may not like every room that you go to you start exhausting how much energy you can go to so 51 00:04:01,566 --> 00:04:07,618 there's like all these uh Points of contention that every move that you make 52 00:04:07,644 --> 00:04:11,357 to be decisive because there's a limited amount of moves that you can make. 53 00:04:11,357 --> 00:04:14,519 largely it's a roguelike puzzle game that has all these elements to it. 54 00:04:14,519 --> 00:04:26,807 It's a lot of fun and I totally recommend going in blind ah because if you go in with like reading guides and stuff you lose all of the fun of discovery like you know that you had 55 00:04:26,807 --> 00:04:37,174 from the long long ago and that's something that I most love most about video games is like when you had that sense of discovery and the euphoria figuring stuff out. 56 00:04:37,174 --> 00:04:40,894 Versus when I've done stuff where I'm just looking at a guide. 57 00:04:40,894 --> 00:04:42,578 It feels like a chore at that point. 58 00:04:42,578 --> 00:04:47,462 And I'm just doing a checklist of stuff without really engaging with it. 59 00:04:47,462 --> 00:04:50,664 And uh they Blueprints I'm a huge fan of. 60 00:04:50,664 --> 00:04:52,525 A lot of people were talking it up. 61 00:04:52,706 --> 00:04:54,507 And it's somewhere in between there. 62 00:04:54,507 --> 00:04:56,909 I still do recommend most people play it. 63 00:04:56,909 --> 00:05:03,235 uh But it's just a very interesting conceptual game that I'm glad exists. 64 00:05:03,235 --> 00:05:05,470 Yeah. 65 00:05:05,470 --> 00:05:07,103 Huh. 66 00:05:07,438 --> 00:05:16,318 You know, I don't know why, it kind of, but I know this isn't like a horror game or anything like that, but for some reason, describing like a game about houses, it kind of 67 00:05:16,318 --> 00:05:20,318 reminds me of this book called House of Leaves. 68 00:05:20,598 --> 00:05:22,638 I don't know if you guys have ever heard of it or not. 69 00:05:23,298 --> 00:05:29,058 It's a very unusual book and I can't describe it that well. 70 00:05:29,058 --> 00:05:34,778 I'm not very good at describing books, but essentially what happens is a guy and his wife moves into a house. 71 00:05:35,242 --> 00:05:40,119 And then he finds that the house is like one inch bigger on the inside than it on the outside. 72 00:05:40,119 --> 00:05:44,885 And so like the house is like continuously evolving or some shit. 73 00:05:44,885 --> 00:05:45,486 It's insane. 74 00:05:45,486 --> 00:05:47,014 You guys, you should read it. 75 00:05:47,014 --> 00:05:52,617 yeah, so exactly like that and every time the day resets the house starts brand new. 76 00:05:52,617 --> 00:05:54,328 So that's what blueprints... 77 00:05:54,509 --> 00:05:59,988 Yeah, so that's basically what it you're like, there's not like you're constantly building and you're like, good, it's like that. 78 00:05:59,988 --> 00:06:01,773 No, no, no, it changes every day. 79 00:06:01,773 --> 00:06:08,697 And you can really just get effed by RNG real hard, which is a little bit brutal about the game. 80 00:06:08,697 --> 00:06:12,931 And you really have to invest time into... 81 00:06:12,931 --> 00:06:17,814 exploring each room because there's lots of nuggets of hidden stuff to them. 82 00:06:17,814 --> 00:06:20,851 um It's really. 83 00:06:21,637 --> 00:06:30,423 No, you basically run out of it, so you either will trap yourself where there will be the last room that you could possibly put down. 84 00:06:30,423 --> 00:06:38,659 You need to make like a left and there won't be a left in your deck, so you basically made a dead end for yourself and then OK, days over. 85 00:06:38,659 --> 00:06:41,957 Just say the days over or you did have enough. 86 00:06:41,957 --> 00:06:51,140 going on but you run out of energy you have like 50 rooms that you can go through at any given day so you can increase that by like eating food inside of the house there's lots of 87 00:06:51,140 --> 00:07:02,193 different things that that happen but there's also buffs that you can do to the rooms as you go on so those buffs are permanent as after after they happen so there's lots of stuff 88 00:07:02,193 --> 00:07:10,595 like that uh it's it is a really cool game it it's what i love most about it is that you can 89 00:07:10,907 --> 00:07:13,328 compartmentalize your playthrough of it. 90 00:07:13,328 --> 00:07:15,738 So it's like, okay, day one, you played through it. 91 00:07:15,738 --> 00:07:23,531 Once day one finishes, it's about like a 20 minute amount of time to go through like each house, each time you build out the mansion. 92 00:07:23,531 --> 00:07:31,933 So you can figure that the game is kind of containerized inside of these 20 minute chunks, which makes it great for short playthroughs. 93 00:07:31,933 --> 00:07:34,374 Because like, I have like 20 minutes, let me get in another day. 94 00:07:34,374 --> 00:07:35,844 And like, okay, let's put it in another day. 95 00:07:35,844 --> 00:07:39,759 And that's like another reason why I like the game is that you don't feel 96 00:07:39,759 --> 00:07:43,906 like there is like this necessity to keep going. 97 00:07:43,906 --> 00:07:48,815 You can kind of like, OK, finish up the day or you know, like if something's coming up, you like, all right, well, let me just finish up this day. 98 00:07:48,815 --> 00:07:51,290 It's it's nice that it works like that. 99 00:07:51,290 --> 00:07:52,525 This looks really fun. 100 00:07:52,525 --> 00:07:53,861 I'm looking at it on Steam. 101 00:07:53,861 --> 00:07:55,777 I have it wishlisted already. 102 00:07:56,162 --> 00:07:57,214 I'm gonna give that. 103 00:07:57,854 --> 00:08:11,141 Isn't house of leaves like what the uh my house dot wad is based on um like that yeah Yeah, that's cool Yeah, it was super cool 104 00:08:11,141 --> 00:08:12,672 Yeah, really awesome. 105 00:08:12,672 --> 00:08:16,554 I think like that one dude that they always, YouTube keeps showing me that same video. 106 00:08:16,554 --> 00:08:17,455 So you want to watch it again? 107 00:08:17,455 --> 00:08:22,067 And I'm like, not really, but it was a good video. 108 00:08:24,049 --> 00:08:26,680 Yeah, it's fantastic. 109 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:31,633 Like the whole bit of it technically wise, like how the map was built, that WOD was built. 110 00:08:31,633 --> 00:08:32,091 Hmm. 111 00:08:32,091 --> 00:08:38,034 and going through that, it's a very fascinating uh piece of Doom stuff. 112 00:08:38,303 --> 00:08:39,855 non-Euclidean geometry. 113 00:08:39,855 --> 00:08:42,059 Yeah. 114 00:08:42,059 --> 00:08:45,050 Okay, so Hi Tech, what have you been up to? 115 00:08:45,447 --> 00:08:47,987 So I've been playing two games. 116 00:08:48,907 --> 00:08:49,827 The 100th... 117 00:08:49,827 --> 00:08:50,847 This is like... 118 00:08:50,847 --> 00:08:51,947 I'm gonna keep mentioning this. 119 00:08:51,947 --> 00:08:53,127 The 100th line. 120 00:08:53,187 --> 00:08:56,447 I'm striving to get all 100 endings to this game. 121 00:08:56,907 --> 00:09:00,647 And it's keeping me from playing Expedition 33. 122 00:09:00,828 --> 00:09:01,462 Which game is this? 123 00:09:01,462 --> 00:09:02,351 I'm sorry, I missed it. 124 00:09:02,351 --> 00:09:05,031 The 100 Line Last Defense Academy. 125 00:09:06,370 --> 00:09:09,251 Yeah, it was actually featured on one of the next Fests. 126 00:09:09,671 --> 00:09:11,291 Like, a few back then. 127 00:09:11,291 --> 00:09:12,711 It was pretty cool. 128 00:09:12,971 --> 00:09:18,581 It's hybrid turn-based RPG mixed with a visual novel mixed with tower defense. 129 00:09:18,581 --> 00:09:20,281 And it's a... 130 00:09:20,281 --> 00:09:24,721 So I've been playing that, but I've also been playing Capcom Fighting Collection 2. 131 00:09:24,801 --> 00:09:29,673 And because I have a fight stick that Canva sent me. 132 00:09:29,937 --> 00:09:36,579 I think some people say Kwon, but there's no W in it, so I don't know how to pronounce it. 133 00:09:36,579 --> 00:09:44,178 just do Q, QA for, so even the quick access menu on Steam Deck, I say QAM. 134 00:09:44,959 --> 00:09:49,559 So whatever, I get what you're saying, Q-A-M-B-A, the Arcade Stig manufacturer. 135 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,259 I'm following, I'm with you. 136 00:09:51,978 --> 00:10:02,868 yeah man I've been kicking ass as a because I'm a grappler main and so I so I I know a little bit about playing fighting games I know that's what fan in the deck and I have in 137 00:10:02,868 --> 00:10:08,583 common we play fighting games and have you guys ever built your own fight stick the Fox carry? 138 00:10:08,583 --> 00:10:25,777 no, so there's these are two things uh gyro and fight sticks are two things that I can look at from afar and grapple with the idea in my head of them being superior, but I'm so 139 00:10:25,777 --> 00:10:35,074 either set in my ways that it is literally like asking me to uh pat my head and rub my stomach at the same time when I use them, that it starts just breaking. 140 00:10:35,074 --> 00:10:38,076 Like I feel like I'm like turning left when I'm using them. 141 00:10:38,134 --> 00:10:40,946 uh It's just like one of those things. 142 00:10:40,946 --> 00:10:43,018 Like gyro, have not. 143 00:10:43,018 --> 00:10:49,083 I have seen people be super nasty with gyro to the point of like, okay, that is as good as mouse. 144 00:10:49,283 --> 00:10:51,105 And I know it, I can see it. 145 00:10:51,105 --> 00:10:54,408 But every time I use it, it's I'm doing one or the other. 146 00:10:54,408 --> 00:10:58,290 uh for the life of me, can't, can't. 147 00:10:58,811 --> 00:11:02,501 I have to just keep on pushing myself to use it is basically what it comes down to. 148 00:11:02,501 --> 00:11:03,322 It makes sense. 149 00:11:03,322 --> 00:11:07,567 know some people have more fun building fight sticks than they do actually using them. 150 00:11:07,908 --> 00:11:11,489 You know, kind of like mechanical keyboards almost, or building a PC. 151 00:11:11,489 --> 00:11:13,701 Yeah, that's how all enthusiast stuff is, right? 152 00:11:13,701 --> 00:11:24,469 Like, especially for like, there's a whole segment of like on my discord and stuff for like, uh handhelds, know, seldom do we play video games, we just run them and see how well 153 00:11:24,469 --> 00:11:25,420 they run. 154 00:11:25,780 --> 00:11:26,641 That's it. 155 00:11:26,641 --> 00:11:28,382 That's that's what you do. 156 00:11:29,029 --> 00:11:33,916 But I think it'd be fun, you should build your own fight stick. 157 00:11:34,237 --> 00:11:39,666 It's a lot cheaper than you'd expect, though I think the hardest part is finding a box to house the PCB and whatnot. 158 00:11:39,666 --> 00:11:39,979 Mm. 159 00:11:39,979 --> 00:11:51,283 Yeah, I mean, I've built a barcade and I have, you know, I bought all the parts in and put it all together and I just appreciate traditional arcade sticks. 160 00:11:51,283 --> 00:11:56,675 uh I will not say that I'm opposed to fight sticks as they are. 161 00:11:56,675 --> 00:11:58,485 I think I see the value in them. 162 00:11:58,485 --> 00:11:59,826 I just really have to start using them. 163 00:11:59,826 --> 00:12:00,646 That's all. 164 00:12:01,253 --> 00:12:02,155 Fair enough, fair enough. 165 00:12:02,155 --> 00:12:05,708 Don't worry, we're gonna train- Rich and I are gonna train you, man. 166 00:12:05,708 --> 00:12:08,069 You're gonna be the next EVO champion. 167 00:12:08,082 --> 00:12:09,043 easy. 168 00:12:10,006 --> 00:12:12,018 Evo moment 45 or whatever. 169 00:12:12,018 --> 00:12:15,004 That'll be my time to shine. 170 00:12:15,729 --> 00:12:16,608 nice. 171 00:12:17,945 --> 00:12:19,588 Gardner, what are you giving up to? 172 00:12:19,620 --> 00:12:30,515 I've been playing a lot of like uh Wii games with Emily uh We have been going we actually just beat I'm sorry 173 00:12:31,238 --> 00:12:34,878 sorry, you were saying we have been- I just had to throw that in there. 174 00:12:35,519 --> 00:12:43,099 yeah, we actually beat WarioWare Smooth Moves the other day, and that was a lot of fun. 175 00:12:43,099 --> 00:12:49,419 And I actually kicked ass at the dancing boss level where you had to like dance and tap to the music. 176 00:12:49,419 --> 00:12:51,690 I totally smashed that. 177 00:12:51,690 --> 00:12:54,950 I'm just more of a party game kind of guy. 178 00:12:54,950 --> 00:13:01,334 And then Emily was being really mean and she made a me of me and I just dropped it in the chat. 179 00:13:01,334 --> 00:13:03,637 and uh, she named me Grumpner. 180 00:13:05,302 --> 00:13:07,439 She actually kinda nailed it. 181 00:13:07,439 --> 00:13:08,734 Oh, God. 182 00:13:08,765 --> 00:13:09,495 Nice. 183 00:13:09,495 --> 00:13:11,668 It needs glasses, but... 184 00:13:11,682 --> 00:13:20,450 Yeah, well none of the glasses matched my glasses so what uh, you know, I figured go without them But yeah, we've been we've been having fun and then and then i've been uh 185 00:13:20,450 --> 00:13:27,175 installing steam os on literally every piece of hardware that it will be installable on and uh It's been fun. 186 00:13:27,175 --> 00:13:39,442 The one the one I found that doesn't actually work is the b-link gti 13 this is an intel gpu, but then it has like a 66 187 00:13:40,122 --> 00:13:46,032 Yeah, 6600 XT, and it doesn't work, at least not normally. 188 00:13:46,032 --> 00:13:47,553 what's funny about that Beelink thing? 189 00:13:47,553 --> 00:13:54,827 I sent them that idea when they asked for ideas and I put the GPU in the front and they were like, no, we're not gonna use that idea. 190 00:13:54,827 --> 00:13:56,698 And then like six minutes later they came out with that. 191 00:13:56,698 --> 00:13:58,389 And I was like, that's fine guys. 192 00:13:58,389 --> 00:14:00,540 You should have put the GPU in the front. 193 00:14:02,241 --> 00:14:03,522 you're missing out here. 194 00:14:03,522 --> 00:14:04,529 Yeah. 195 00:14:04,567 --> 00:14:07,070 Wait, so what does putting the GP in the front do for us? 196 00:14:07,070 --> 00:14:10,085 Because I'm trying to conceptualize what that would do for us. 197 00:14:10,085 --> 00:14:19,392 be you're blocking not a ton of airflow in front of it But it's just you're going to be having it I don't see the point of having the beelink in the front It's especially if 198 00:14:19,392 --> 00:14:30,151 you're going to have this on your desk having the GPU in the front just looks nicer Like I have my oculink GPU and that's like front and center So it becomes a nice desk accessory 199 00:14:30,151 --> 00:14:38,682 for lack of a better word uh and you're just kind of like hiding it and I I'm a big fan of what what they what they've done uh 200 00:14:38,682 --> 00:14:41,363 I actually have that as my living room PC. 201 00:14:41,363 --> 00:14:46,905 uh That's where I made a uh video on how, what is that, Windows failed you. 202 00:14:46,905 --> 00:14:57,032 uh basically showing you how to use an Xbox controller to wake the machine, switch over HDMI to it, uh do everything through a controller only. 203 00:14:57,032 --> 00:15:01,294 uh But yeah, I'm a big fan of uh that unit. 204 00:15:01,474 --> 00:15:03,115 Yeah, it's super nice. 205 00:15:03,556 --> 00:15:09,219 I think it's like throwing a kernel panic because it doesn't have the XT drivers or something. 206 00:15:09,420 --> 00:15:13,283 I haven't deep dived into it because I just started doing it today with this device. 207 00:15:13,283 --> 00:15:21,849 um But like it doesn't even get to like plasma loading in the installer stuff. 208 00:15:21,849 --> 00:15:24,251 yeah, but it is pretty neat. 209 00:15:24,251 --> 00:15:25,712 Like SteamOS works really well. 210 00:15:25,712 --> 00:15:28,984 I installed it on um my office. 211 00:15:28,984 --> 00:15:33,157 gaming mini PC over here, the HX100G from Minisforum. 212 00:15:33,357 --> 00:15:35,279 And it works super great. 213 00:15:35,279 --> 00:15:39,321 Doom the Dark Ages on low settings runs at 60 FPS. 214 00:15:39,321 --> 00:15:43,104 I didn't try unlocking it, but it runs at 60 solid. 215 00:15:43,104 --> 00:15:45,205 It's super, super nice. 216 00:15:45,205 --> 00:15:55,653 uh And I have the Sony Trinitron Vega over here, and I have the mini PC plugged into that. 217 00:15:55,653 --> 00:15:57,304 And so, and it looks... 218 00:15:57,304 --> 00:15:59,246 phenomenal on a CRT. 219 00:15:59,246 --> 00:16:00,393 It looks so nice. 220 00:16:00,393 --> 00:16:00,712 Yeah. 221 00:16:00,712 --> 00:16:02,967 still can't believe we got a Trinitron for free. 222 00:16:03,219 --> 00:16:03,569 Yeah. 223 00:16:03,569 --> 00:16:04,627 got it for free, man. 224 00:16:04,627 --> 00:16:05,870 It was awesome. 225 00:16:06,186 --> 00:16:08,406 Sometimes you get that. 226 00:16:08,442 --> 00:16:10,122 People don't know what they have, man. 227 00:16:10,122 --> 00:16:13,692 And they just want to get rid of it because it's a big 300 pound TV, you know? 228 00:16:13,692 --> 00:16:22,050 I, I, I, I got a CRT, a Sony CRT from someone that was supposed to be a 32 inch and it wound up being 36. 229 00:16:22,295 --> 00:16:27,177 And you wouldn't think that four more inches adds all that much weight, but it went from like 220 pounds to 360. 230 00:16:27,177 --> 00:16:36,681 Yeah, so me and my brother were going there and we lifted up and like, what the hell are we like weaker something going? 231 00:16:36,681 --> 00:16:39,004 And it's smooth. 232 00:16:39,004 --> 00:16:41,571 Right, like, it's, there's nothing to grip onto. 233 00:16:41,571 --> 00:16:46,390 It's like, who designed this thing? 234 00:16:46,390 --> 00:16:47,834 Yeah, my gosh. 235 00:16:47,834 --> 00:16:50,720 Do you have the the is it the flat like widescreen? 236 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:51,592 uh 237 00:16:51,592 --> 00:16:54,514 This is a 4x3, but yeah, it's a flat Trinitron, right? 238 00:16:54,514 --> 00:16:56,686 And it's just smooth as can be. 239 00:16:56,686 --> 00:17:01,068 And the only thing you can grip onto is the bottom base, which just eats into your hands. 240 00:17:02,329 --> 00:17:03,145 That's it. 241 00:17:03,145 --> 00:17:06,837 This one is 30 inches diagonal. 242 00:17:06,837 --> 00:17:11,791 It's a 16 by 9, and it has an HDMI port, like a HDMI 1.0 port on the back. 243 00:17:11,791 --> 00:17:13,472 It's super nice. 244 00:17:14,913 --> 00:17:25,791 I have all my retro consoles going into a receiver, like an AV receiver, and then that AV receiver goes into a retro tank, and the retro tank goes into an HDMI switcher, which then 245 00:17:25,791 --> 00:17:26,813 goes into the TV. 246 00:17:26,813 --> 00:17:27,418 I gotcha. 247 00:17:27,418 --> 00:17:34,432 And it's, Emily is just learning how to actually like switch consoles and stuff, but they're all set up and ready to play at one time. 248 00:17:34,432 --> 00:17:36,074 So it's pretty neat. 249 00:17:36,434 --> 00:17:37,158 that's awesome. 250 00:17:37,158 --> 00:17:39,573 had, yeah, I had a setup like that at one point. 251 00:17:39,573 --> 00:17:46,176 I'm going to be retrofitting it into like, think a wall mounted, like collectors kind of console thing. 252 00:17:46,176 --> 00:17:46,818 That's going to be fun. 253 00:17:46,818 --> 00:17:48,278 That's my next project, I think. 254 00:17:48,278 --> 00:17:50,551 always fun that that desire exists, right? 255 00:17:50,551 --> 00:17:57,521 It's like, there's gonna be these cubicles of all of these consoles that I will just turn on, and they will automatically go to the TV. 256 00:17:58,351 --> 00:17:59,187 Yep. 257 00:17:59,513 --> 00:18:09,916 You know, Gardener, I've been super curious since you have a CRT, what happens if you enable a CRT filter in a game and then play it with the CRT filter on a CRT? 258 00:18:09,916 --> 00:18:10,474 oh 259 00:18:10,474 --> 00:18:14,662 I, to be honest, I haven't tried that, but that's something I should look into. 260 00:18:14,662 --> 00:18:17,567 Yeah, you probably you probably gonna split earth. 261 00:18:17,567 --> 00:18:21,343 It's just like uh 262 00:18:21,343 --> 00:18:22,721 happen, that's why I asked. 263 00:18:22,721 --> 00:18:23,605 I'm gonna predict. 264 00:18:23,605 --> 00:18:26,069 would this, sorry, go ahead, James. 265 00:18:26,069 --> 00:18:28,728 I'm going to predict it's going to be like extra fuzzy. 266 00:18:29,448 --> 00:18:30,241 Yeah 267 00:18:30,328 --> 00:18:39,127 Yeah, well with this TV, it's like, it's displaying like a 720p progressive, like, image, so it's not really showing scanlines. 268 00:18:39,127 --> 00:18:48,296 So if I enable scanlines, you'll see them again, which I, and I'm kind of curious now how it, like, displays that. 269 00:18:48,917 --> 00:18:50,508 I think it'd be pretty neat. 270 00:18:51,762 --> 00:18:54,245 You can have that true feel of a CRT. 271 00:18:54,346 --> 00:18:58,013 Right now you don't have a true CRT experience yet. 272 00:18:58,013 --> 00:19:00,953 really wish that CRTs would make a comeback. 273 00:19:00,953 --> 00:19:02,813 really do. 274 00:19:03,333 --> 00:19:07,985 It's like once we lost it, we didn't know what we had. 275 00:19:07,985 --> 00:19:08,969 Yeah. 276 00:19:09,486 --> 00:19:14,089 And now we know and we can't and they don't make any CRTs anymore now, huh? 277 00:19:14,089 --> 00:19:17,412 There was that brief moment where they were called SEDs. 278 00:19:17,412 --> 00:19:24,178 uh Canon, I believe, had a patent on them and they were basically uh flat-er CRT-like. 279 00:19:24,178 --> 00:19:26,900 uh And they never got traction. 280 00:19:26,900 --> 00:19:28,561 never came out. 281 00:19:28,561 --> 00:19:36,568 And that was 25 years ago at this point that I saw those at CES 2000 or whatever. 282 00:19:36,568 --> 00:19:41,713 uh So a long time ago, this is when CRTs were obviously still around. 283 00:19:41,713 --> 00:19:42,486 And this is 284 00:19:42,486 --> 00:19:49,426 Maybe 2002 2002 because the plasma was also like a thing. 285 00:19:50,006 --> 00:19:52,186 LCDs sucked but existed. 286 00:19:52,966 --> 00:19:57,346 It's crazy to think like how long LCDs have been around and how far they've been improved. 287 00:19:57,966 --> 00:20:07,266 But yeah, when you really get down to it, the the benefits of CRT are clearly understood only now when. 288 00:20:07,689 --> 00:20:11,661 We have been like everyone I guess thought that like, well, technology will just make these better. 289 00:20:11,661 --> 00:20:13,432 And eventually they're to be better than CRTs. 290 00:20:13,432 --> 00:20:23,698 But there's like so many things about CRTs, especially with just how when you just have scanning that that foster over it that someone will what's his name? 291 00:20:23,698 --> 00:20:25,359 Oh, good. 292 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:25,940 Lots. 293 00:20:25,940 --> 00:20:27,180 I think his last name is lots. 294 00:20:27,180 --> 00:20:32,023 He's a GPU programmer. 295 00:20:32,023 --> 00:20:35,505 He made a CRT beam simulation that you can do in a shader. 296 00:20:35,726 --> 00:20:38,050 and can do it on uh OLEDs. 297 00:20:38,212 --> 00:20:42,480 And effectively, have you ever guys ever used like BFI, black frame insertion? 298 00:20:43,344 --> 00:20:43,635 So. 299 00:20:43,635 --> 00:20:46,699 your video on it once, but I think you took it down at one point, didn't you? 300 00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:57,169 For the BFI one, may have, or just temporarily, in any event, BFI inserts a black frame. 301 00:20:57,169 --> 00:21:01,329 So if you go on 120 hertz, you have a black frame that's inserted in between every other frame. 302 00:21:01,329 --> 00:21:08,169 Effectively, you have 60 FPS, but you're basically putting this black frame to simulate a CRT. 303 00:21:08,169 --> 00:21:15,604 The problem with that is that you are massively going to diminish your brightness because you're injecting this black frame into them. 304 00:21:15,604 --> 00:21:24,200 So black frame insertion, it effectively works similar to how BFI does without any of the brightness diminishing stuff. 305 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:29,264 uh And you have to witness it to see it. 306 00:21:29,264 --> 00:21:30,974 you can't take a picture of it. 307 00:21:30,974 --> 00:21:35,371 It's like taking a picture of, like, look at how good this HDR is and showing someone a picture of that. 308 00:21:35,371 --> 00:21:37,190 And you're like, well, that's not going to work. 309 00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:43,174 uh You have to witness it to experience it and the motion clarity that comes from it. 310 00:21:43,302 --> 00:21:58,448 Is stuff that you know CRT stuff we used just get for free like there's like a bunch of things that CRT do that just are Pleasing to the eye ah So yeah, we we lost a lot when 311 00:21:58,448 --> 00:22:08,512 when we left CRTs and I wish somehow uh Some way they would come back, but it looks like you know now we're just really you know OLEDs are just gonna have quad layers in them and 312 00:22:08,512 --> 00:22:11,793 just Running them in tandem and doing a whole bunch of other stuff 313 00:22:12,892 --> 00:22:14,117 Nonsense stuff. 314 00:22:14,122 --> 00:22:15,024 They have to get somewhere. 315 00:22:15,024 --> 00:22:17,106 Like, they're going to run into a... 316 00:22:17,288 --> 00:22:21,895 Well, they're going to only be able to improve so much to where they're going to be like, you know what? 317 00:22:22,097 --> 00:22:26,494 We need CRTs back in space stations, just like an alien or something. 318 00:22:26,613 --> 00:22:31,413 You know that the funny thing is, like, you, so like high tech low life, right? 319 00:22:31,413 --> 00:22:32,373 Cyberpunk. 320 00:22:33,213 --> 00:22:44,333 For me, Cyberpunk, you go back to it, when you go back in time to like the 1980s, lots of fascinating documentaries, apologies for going on a tangent here, guys. 321 00:22:45,633 --> 00:22:50,995 When you look at like the 1980s and everyone had a genuine fear that... 322 00:22:50,995 --> 00:22:57,490 Japan was going to come for the computer industry like they had come for consumer electronics, like they had come for automotive. 323 00:22:57,490 --> 00:23:03,133 They were genuinely afraid that Japan was like they had not made a presence here yet. 324 00:23:03,133 --> 00:23:07,356 But once they were GG game over, like they won. 325 00:23:07,356 --> 00:23:14,041 uh But the biggest impediment for Japan was apparently their character set. 326 00:23:14,041 --> 00:23:20,465 uh And there's a Computer Chronicles episode from a long, long ago that covered it was like a jewel of information. 327 00:23:20,566 --> 00:23:29,250 ah But basically at the time, because they were doing everything in uh Katagana, they have three different symbols that they use. 328 00:23:29,250 --> 00:23:39,954 In any event, to create one of those characters effectively on the CRTs that they had because they were so low resolution, they were doing three words per minute typing out. 329 00:23:39,954 --> 00:23:46,963 So they're just going so slow to just formulate words that they would never. 330 00:23:46,963 --> 00:23:47,493 catch up. 331 00:23:47,493 --> 00:23:51,676 So NEC and stuff that they had in Japan kind of stayed in Japan. 332 00:23:51,716 --> 00:23:53,037 And I don't know. 333 00:23:53,037 --> 00:23:55,018 I don't know where NEC is right now. 334 00:23:55,218 --> 00:23:58,840 But you look at that, especially with the golden years of Japan, right? 335 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:03,062 Because they dominated in automotive, they dominated in consumer electronics. 336 00:24:03,062 --> 00:24:07,386 You have the birth of cyberpunk and the idea of cyberpunk. 337 00:24:07,386 --> 00:24:13,041 And it was part and parcel with Japan being a dominant force in the future that 338 00:24:13,041 --> 00:24:18,664 Every part of cyberpunk has Japanese influence and CRTs everywhere. 339 00:24:18,764 --> 00:24:21,716 And it's funny because like you look at Johnny Mnemonic, right? 340 00:24:21,716 --> 00:24:23,741 Like the movie Johnny Mnemonic is very cyberpunk movie. 341 00:24:23,741 --> 00:24:33,982 There's like a cone of CRTs that are like there's like certain distinctive cyberpunk elements to me that we will never really have that cyberpunk. 342 00:24:33,982 --> 00:24:41,216 But it is something that I desperately still wish to happen uh in a way. 343 00:24:41,216 --> 00:24:42,537 Minus the dystopia. 344 00:24:42,537 --> 00:24:48,024 But there's just a lot of stuff in there that is endearing to me that I find fascinating. 345 00:24:48,024 --> 00:24:49,455 Sorry for the digression. 346 00:24:49,488 --> 00:24:50,768 It's all good man. 347 00:24:51,069 --> 00:24:51,688 It's all good man. 348 00:24:51,688 --> 00:24:57,173 You know Korea is a lot closer to this vision of cyberpunk minus the neon of course. 349 00:24:57,254 --> 00:25:00,656 You know especially with Samsung being as big as is in Korea. 350 00:25:01,161 --> 00:25:02,182 Yeah, Samsung's huge. 351 00:25:02,182 --> 00:25:05,426 I didn't realize how big Samsung was until I learned that they also made tanks. 352 00:25:05,426 --> 00:25:08,830 uh Like, here's our Samsung tank. 353 00:25:08,830 --> 00:25:11,032 Like, oh, all right, you guys are doing that. 354 00:25:11,132 --> 00:25:11,696 Geez. 355 00:25:11,696 --> 00:25:14,316 Where do I order that? 356 00:25:15,896 --> 00:25:18,856 They probably do everything. 357 00:25:19,076 --> 00:25:21,664 They're so massive. 358 00:25:21,664 --> 00:25:24,084 cyberpunk way man. 359 00:25:24,544 --> 00:25:25,928 I don't 360 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,391 get back on this track. 361 00:25:28,391 --> 00:25:30,933 I. 362 00:25:31,574 --> 00:25:36,428 Because I want to talk about myself, I have been playing Expedition 33 still. 363 00:25:36,428 --> 00:25:38,198 I never got to Doom. 364 00:25:38,198 --> 00:25:39,599 I want to get to Doom. 365 00:25:39,599 --> 00:25:49,116 Gardner scared me and now I'm taking comfort in Expedition 33 still and just enjoying this French RPG. 366 00:25:49,116 --> 00:25:50,666 It is so fun. 367 00:25:50,987 --> 00:25:51,671 And. 368 00:25:51,671 --> 00:25:52,483 Hmm. 369 00:25:53,354 --> 00:25:54,195 FRPG. 370 00:25:54,195 --> 00:26:01,499 The music is it's not JRPG, but it's like a JRPG. 371 00:26:01,499 --> 00:26:04,652 it's just it's it's fresh. 372 00:26:04,652 --> 00:26:05,632 I like it. 373 00:26:05,685 --> 00:26:09,605 Yeah, I think what sold me most like I was always looking at clerics here. 374 00:26:09,605 --> 00:26:12,585 33 Expedition 33 and I was looking at I was like, oh, this looks pretty cool. 375 00:26:12,585 --> 00:26:16,785 And then one of the not not so long ago, because we had seen it like a year or so ago. 376 00:26:16,785 --> 00:26:18,345 I like, oh, that looks kind of cool. 377 00:26:18,345 --> 00:26:27,065 And then the one the latest gameplay update that they showed like eight months ago or whatever, they showed the overworld map of them running around on it. 378 00:26:27,065 --> 00:26:30,105 And I was like, oh, snap like that. 379 00:26:30,105 --> 00:26:35,357 That felt like the proper evolution of JRPGs to me that somehow I 380 00:26:35,357 --> 00:26:43,344 missed and um that is when it really clicked for me and then I'm just glad that the game has taken off and has found an audience and people are enjoying it. 381 00:26:43,344 --> 00:26:47,517 That's another game that I really have to get to but that that's going to be further down. 382 00:26:47,517 --> 00:26:50,449 have to I have to get to Doom sooner than later. 383 00:26:51,047 --> 00:26:53,749 There's so many games coming out this year, it's crazy. 384 00:26:53,749 --> 00:26:56,889 So, Gardener, have you progressed through Doom the Dark Ages? 385 00:26:56,889 --> 00:26:58,769 Has your opinion changed on that a little bit? 386 00:26:59,218 --> 00:27:03,549 Uh, to be honest, I have played more of it, but it's really kind of... 387 00:27:03,549 --> 00:27:07,558 I'm using it to kind of benchmark games and not really... 388 00:27:07,558 --> 00:27:09,051 I mean, benchmark hardware. 389 00:27:09,051 --> 00:27:13,762 I'm not really enjoying Doom the Dark Ages like I wanted to. 390 00:27:14,063 --> 00:27:21,765 I'm a huge fan of 2016, I'm a huge fan of uh Doom Eternal, and it's just a completely different game, a completely... 391 00:27:21,765 --> 00:27:24,586 It feels like a totally different genre to me. 392 00:27:24,706 --> 00:27:25,506 And, 393 00:27:25,602 --> 00:27:29,417 I have warmed up to it a bit, but it's still just not what I want from a Doom game. 394 00:27:29,417 --> 00:27:32,000 Yeah. 395 00:27:32,008 --> 00:27:39,633 That's why I feel like with uh Legend of Zelda Tears of the Kingdom, I don't feel like that's a Zelda game in the slightest. 396 00:27:39,633 --> 00:27:41,574 That's Banjo. 397 00:27:42,075 --> 00:27:43,415 Breath of the Wild. 398 00:27:43,416 --> 00:27:48,018 So I like Breath of the Wild a whole bunch. 399 00:27:48,179 --> 00:27:51,120 The dungeons suck terribly. 400 00:27:51,161 --> 00:27:59,446 But what Breath of the Wild does versus all of the previous games is have the same 401 00:27:59,742 --> 00:28:15,157 uh They they spark the same level the same sense of wonder and curiosity that I had when I first played the original Legend of Zelda when I was like seven years old and I'll give 402 00:28:15,157 --> 00:28:20,218 you an example when you go in, know, because it's a screen based legend. 403 00:28:20,218 --> 00:28:23,129 You guys have all played Legend of Zelda the original Legend of Zelda, right? 404 00:28:23,129 --> 00:28:27,192 So when you go into like a new area, right? 405 00:28:27,192 --> 00:28:32,344 Some areas you go into will be a dead end and you'll see three rocks or like three trees. 406 00:28:32,344 --> 00:28:36,926 And it's like, well, that's an oddly specific amount of things there. 407 00:28:37,026 --> 00:28:44,410 And it's a small amount enough, a number of things that you like push into it, put a bomb on it, light it on fire. 408 00:28:44,410 --> 00:28:53,093 And something happens, something magical happens where they didn't, they didn't, you know, fill a bunch of stuff on the screen that you have to try every one of them. 409 00:28:53,093 --> 00:28:54,904 They put three there. 410 00:28:54,904 --> 00:28:58,496 And the number three comes up a lot in Legend of Zelda. 411 00:28:58,496 --> 00:29:06,500 And Breath of the Wild has that same thing where you'll just be running and off in the distance somewhere you'll see a cliff that has three trees. 412 00:29:06,500 --> 00:29:08,761 And I'm like, hang on a moment. 413 00:29:08,922 --> 00:29:10,543 I have to go over here now. 414 00:29:10,543 --> 00:29:12,624 And I would just run. 415 00:29:12,624 --> 00:29:17,886 And because you could explore anywhere in that game and nothing really stopped you outside of your own stamina bar. 416 00:29:18,287 --> 00:29:20,828 That is what I. 417 00:29:21,789 --> 00:29:24,699 I find to be the closest connection to 418 00:29:24,699 --> 00:29:28,293 A Legend of Zelda game and Tears of the Kingdom. 419 00:29:28,293 --> 00:29:32,636 Basically how it worked out was I was no longer. 420 00:29:32,929 --> 00:29:41,584 To give you an example, there's like sometimes when you play in like Zelda games, the puzzles that you figure out aren't terribly difficult if you really think about like you 421 00:29:41,584 --> 00:29:43,145 just told somebody like, that's simple. 422 00:29:43,145 --> 00:29:44,906 But when you're in the moment, right? 423 00:29:44,906 --> 00:29:47,809 Like for example, like spirit tracks, right? 424 00:29:47,809 --> 00:29:52,532 Or like a DS Zelda game, it's like press the map against your your map. 425 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,681 and you're like, press the map against my map. 426 00:29:54,681 --> 00:29:56,681 So I'm like using the stylus to draw the map. 427 00:29:56,681 --> 00:29:57,994 And I'm like, what the hell are you talking about? 428 00:29:57,994 --> 00:30:02,387 And you're like closing the lid to like press the map on your map. 429 00:30:02,387 --> 00:30:05,969 And you're like, and then you open up the DS and it's like, do, do, do, do, do. 430 00:30:05,969 --> 00:30:13,454 And you're like, oh, like that sense of euphoria that you figured that puzzle out and tears of the kingdom. 431 00:30:13,454 --> 00:30:14,705 You don't figure out puzzles. 432 00:30:14,705 --> 00:30:19,118 You just build something until you brute force your way into a solution. 433 00:30:19,118 --> 00:30:21,340 And that is not a Zelda game to me. 434 00:30:21,340 --> 00:30:22,254 That's just. 435 00:30:22,254 --> 00:30:30,368 Banjo-Kazooie Nuts and Bolts and that's not a bad game, it's not what I like to to Gardner's point. 436 00:30:30,368 --> 00:30:38,093 I'm looking if you're looking for a Doom game and it doesn't feel like that, it may take you a moment to like kick in the gear of like what's going on here. 437 00:30:38,093 --> 00:30:44,796 And for me, even when I beat the game, I was just like, all right, well, you know, I wanted to beat the game because of the story. 438 00:30:44,796 --> 00:30:51,960 But that's like I can find a relation to where Gardner might be coming from with Doom, the Dark Ages. 439 00:30:52,564 --> 00:30:54,436 Yeah, I think that's a good way to put it. 440 00:30:54,436 --> 00:31:03,253 I mean, there's just some, mechanics of like the bullet hell stuff going on, it just really just takes me out. 441 00:31:03,253 --> 00:31:07,066 Like, I know a lot of people are like praising that and it like draws them in. 442 00:31:07,066 --> 00:31:08,576 For me, it just pulls me out. 443 00:31:08,576 --> 00:31:10,569 Like, I want the glory kills back. 444 00:31:10,569 --> 00:31:18,185 I want like the constant forward momentum and it feels like there's too much defense, uh defensiveness. 445 00:31:18,185 --> 00:31:22,250 You put the shield up, you dodge the thing, you parry and it's like, that's not... 446 00:31:22,250 --> 00:31:23,470 what I want when doom. 447 00:31:23,470 --> 00:31:24,300 Right. 448 00:31:24,421 --> 00:31:25,041 I can feel that. 449 00:31:25,041 --> 00:31:26,642 Yeah, that makes sense to me. 450 00:31:26,642 --> 00:31:35,587 It's like if you're if you stray too far from the formula, you know, if you like the ship of Theseus, right, like how many parts can you remove before it's no longer the ship? 451 00:31:35,587 --> 00:31:38,248 Like, yeah, so yeah, I get it. 452 00:31:38,248 --> 00:31:38,688 Yeah. 453 00:31:38,688 --> 00:31:41,369 Yeah, some of it also feels a little incomplete. 454 00:31:41,369 --> 00:31:51,451 um the biggest thing is like, when you encounter the other, like, knights or whatever you call them, like the other slayer. 455 00:31:51,451 --> 00:31:55,212 They're not slayers, I don't know what they are, but like your team mates, essentially. 456 00:31:55,212 --> 00:32:05,835 um They literally are just sitting there, like they're kneeling at a doorway like this and holding their weapon and just repeating this, you know, idle pose and they're like 457 00:32:05,835 --> 00:32:08,716 kneeling ready to go and never actually moving. 458 00:32:08,716 --> 00:32:14,016 And every time I've encountered those enemies, they're never fighting demons. 459 00:32:14,016 --> 00:32:15,336 You're the only one doing it. 460 00:32:15,336 --> 00:32:17,556 And it's like, that pulls me out. 461 00:32:17,576 --> 00:32:21,596 And like, I don't know, there's a lot I could go on and on about this game. 462 00:32:21,596 --> 00:32:25,720 I've played a ton of it now and I... 463 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,842 I'm 100 % with you. 464 00:32:27,842 --> 00:32:32,964 Actually, I have it on Twitter a long time ago because everyone was talking up the last of us AI. 465 00:32:33,044 --> 00:32:35,866 And uh I'm playing on the hardest difficulty. 466 00:32:35,866 --> 00:32:41,949 And I'm pressed up against this stairwell that is see-through. 467 00:32:41,949 --> 00:32:44,551 uh They can clearly shoot me, but they're not. 468 00:32:44,551 --> 00:32:46,652 They're shooting my friends. 469 00:32:46,652 --> 00:32:48,393 And those friends aren't shooting back. 470 00:32:48,393 --> 00:32:49,674 And they're just screaming. 471 00:32:49,674 --> 00:32:52,685 And I'm just panning back and forth between what's going on. 472 00:32:52,685 --> 00:32:54,064 And it's like. 473 00:32:54,064 --> 00:32:59,624 a minute and it's just this is not smart AI by any stretch of the imagination. 474 00:33:00,484 --> 00:33:02,278 Yeah, sometimes that could really draw you out. 475 00:33:02,278 --> 00:33:16,447 I was playing earlier on uh my office gaming mini PC and I was like, uh there was probably, there was like a ton of like low level fodder demons and um none of them 476 00:33:16,447 --> 00:33:24,426 appeared until after like a higher level imp showed up or whatever and he threw one bolt at me and then. 477 00:33:24,426 --> 00:33:33,051 All of a sudden all these low level guys came in and then the guy, the big boss guy stopped attacking because there were too many other demons around me and I was like, that 478 00:33:33,051 --> 00:33:42,457 is so lame and I was like sitting there like staring at him, watching and waiting for him to like shoot his stupid green bolt at me so I could parry it and because there were so 479 00:33:42,457 --> 00:33:47,110 many other demons that he wasn't attacking I was like, this is totally pulling me out of the game. 480 00:33:47,450 --> 00:33:49,711 Anyway, I could go on and on. 481 00:33:51,683 --> 00:33:54,663 So, sounds like you need to play Expedition 33. 482 00:33:54,663 --> 00:33:57,443 It's very chilling, it's very relaxing. 483 00:33:58,683 --> 00:34:00,125 It's one of the reasons I've been playing is cause that. 484 00:34:00,125 --> 00:34:02,622 tells you to parry instead of dodge attacks. 485 00:34:03,313 --> 00:34:04,584 I don't care. 486 00:34:04,585 --> 00:34:07,850 I think it's a relaxing, it has very peaceful music. 487 00:34:07,850 --> 00:34:15,361 The enemies are, everything's like very French artistic kind of thing. 488 00:34:15,382 --> 00:34:18,274 And yeah, I just gotta say, even- 489 00:34:18,274 --> 00:34:23,702 told me one of the first enemies you fight in the game was like a mime or some shit and like no way that's real, right? 490 00:34:23,702 --> 00:34:25,093 Technically, yeah, actually. 491 00:34:25,093 --> 00:34:40,906 Yeah the first and if you want to fight besides the the just a uh fun sparring match with the your I'm not gonna ruin anything but with someone like a friend you do run into a mime 492 00:34:40,906 --> 00:34:48,242 Yeah, and then that's actually a collectible throughout the whole game is where uh you get uh collectible gear from them everywhere. 493 00:34:48,242 --> 00:34:53,556 They're really hard um Kudos to anyone that's beat the mime in the beginning part 494 00:34:53,556 --> 00:34:55,697 Like it wasted me. 495 00:34:55,697 --> 00:35:03,649 ah But even if you don't like turn based RPGs, there's still some real time elements to it. 496 00:35:03,649 --> 00:35:05,840 I definitely would recommend at least trying it out. 497 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:13,242 But I set up the VR also for my son and I am about to start a Half Life Alex again. 498 00:35:13,242 --> 00:35:16,102 I might be playing Half Life Alex again before Doom. 499 00:35:16,102 --> 00:35:19,863 Because ah I finally. 500 00:35:20,904 --> 00:35:21,625 What's that? 501 00:35:21,625 --> 00:35:22,647 would like to get the Deckard. 502 00:35:22,647 --> 00:35:25,913 I would like to get the Deckard too, ah if that ever comes out. 503 00:35:25,913 --> 00:35:27,014 How long has it been now? 504 00:35:27,014 --> 00:35:30,443 Like four years at this point since they announced the Deckard? 505 00:35:30,443 --> 00:35:31,383 I have no idea. 506 00:35:31,383 --> 00:35:32,644 I'm not sure. 507 00:35:32,644 --> 00:35:34,535 But I mean, I'll just keep waiting. 508 00:35:34,535 --> 00:35:41,722 I mean, I have an index, which I what I played on it initially first, I played through the first two levels and then for whatever reason. 509 00:35:41,722 --> 00:35:47,892 I know I do know what reason my area here got clustered and then I couldn't have space to actually play anymore. 510 00:35:47,892 --> 00:35:50,003 uh And then I just time went away. 511 00:35:50,003 --> 00:35:57,857 But yeah, I'm looking forward to replaying Half-Life Alex when Deckard eventually comes out. 512 00:35:58,122 --> 00:36:02,657 You know, James, when you mentioned VR, I thought you were going to say you were playing Expedition 33 in VR. 513 00:36:02,657 --> 00:36:06,410 I was like, why are you playing a JRPG in VR? 514 00:36:06,517 --> 00:36:07,519 I could, guess. 515 00:36:07,519 --> 00:36:09,722 This just would be like on a screen. 516 00:36:10,806 --> 00:36:11,882 Not, not, yeah. 517 00:36:11,882 --> 00:36:14,103 there there you know. 518 00:36:14,103 --> 00:36:14,904 Sadly it's Bradley. 519 00:36:14,904 --> 00:36:21,147 I follow him a lot and he seems like super hardcore into VR stuff and he like lives. 520 00:36:21,147 --> 00:36:25,649 He's like genuinely inside of the VR space and. 521 00:36:26,070 --> 00:36:31,232 I don't know if he genuinely is trying to do it or just doing it because. 522 00:36:31,301 --> 00:36:39,817 Of some other reason, but I know he's taking video and pictures of him existing in virtual reality often and. 523 00:36:39,833 --> 00:36:51,601 I feel like that is the level that VR more or less needs to get at um to actually make headway, make some traction. 524 00:36:51,661 --> 00:36:54,063 if it's a... 525 00:36:54,063 --> 00:36:56,024 It's kind of like Dungeons & Dragons. 526 00:36:56,024 --> 00:37:04,880 And what I mean by that is like Dungeons & Dragons is an awesome idea that you and a bunch of friends can play, but then getting all of your friends to have the exact moment of same 527 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:09,126 time to play Dungeons & Dragons, if you can't arrange that to happen, 528 00:37:09,126 --> 00:37:10,877 Well, you're not going to be in VR, right? 529 00:37:10,877 --> 00:37:17,933 Like it's like it needs to be on at all times and like, you know, just kind of on your head so you can slip back in. 530 00:37:17,933 --> 00:37:26,810 And if that means augmented reality for a computer, whatever you have, so you just have like a Bluetooth keyboard that you are now looking through and a virtual screen comes up. 531 00:37:26,810 --> 00:37:32,744 So it's in effect augmented reality, extended reality, but full on VR. 532 00:37:32,744 --> 00:37:35,090 So there's there's multiple things that are, you know. 533 00:37:35,090 --> 00:37:38,132 competing there, how long battery life is going to last and all this other stuff. 534 00:37:38,132 --> 00:37:39,049 I can see it. 535 00:37:39,049 --> 00:37:41,895 I can see the idea and appeal to it. 536 00:37:41,956 --> 00:37:44,197 And I wonder if Decker will get there. 537 00:37:44,197 --> 00:37:46,790 ah I like the Quest 3. 538 00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:48,951 I don't know what kind of your headsets you guys have. 539 00:37:49,663 --> 00:37:53,887 I have the valves index. 540 00:37:55,135 --> 00:37:55,838 Yeah. 541 00:37:55,838 --> 00:37:57,528 see you guys on after Quest 3. 542 00:37:57,528 --> 00:37:59,532 I don't have an index. 543 00:37:59,855 --> 00:38:03,525 My brother has a quest too and it's pretty cool. 544 00:38:03,525 --> 00:38:06,447 Yeah, so Quest 2 is also pretty cool. 545 00:38:06,547 --> 00:38:15,434 Quest 3 takes it up to another level within so far as uh exiting and entering into VR while keeping the goggles on. 546 00:38:15,434 --> 00:38:19,706 So you can just tap on the side and just the camera comes in and then you have the inside out tracking. 547 00:38:19,706 --> 00:38:22,809 you can see it does a lot of cool things. 548 00:38:22,809 --> 00:38:25,141 There's games that you could play. 549 00:38:25,141 --> 00:38:29,234 Like my son, he would go into our living room and you can scan the room. 550 00:38:29,234 --> 00:38:31,579 And it'd be like, OK, these are all. 551 00:38:31,579 --> 00:38:33,730 things that I'm now spatially aware of. 552 00:38:33,730 --> 00:38:42,393 So you'll have like zombies coming through the windows and you're shooting them and you can like, you know, run inside your own space, but having stuff be there. 553 00:38:42,393 --> 00:38:43,534 And that's really cool. 554 00:38:43,534 --> 00:38:48,166 um But the visuals from a Quest 3 are not good enough. 555 00:38:48,166 --> 00:38:51,977 I have not tried a Vision Pro from Apple yet, but I heard that's very good. 556 00:38:51,977 --> 00:38:59,210 But that's like to me the level that Deckard really needs to get to, to really take it to the next level. 557 00:38:59,210 --> 00:39:01,541 And I'm just hopeful that they do. 558 00:39:01,568 --> 00:39:06,351 You know, I think most people are just waiting for something like, uh, have you watched Sword Art Online? 559 00:39:06,692 --> 00:39:07,573 Fox? 560 00:39:07,573 --> 00:39:08,413 No? 561 00:39:09,054 --> 00:39:11,796 But like, but like, you get the idea, right? 562 00:39:11,796 --> 00:39:14,157 Like it's a like, it's like a... 563 00:39:15,839 --> 00:39:17,399 Or you could do The Matrix. 564 00:39:18,300 --> 00:39:19,811 Yeah, or you could do The Matrix. 565 00:39:19,811 --> 00:39:21,663 You're literally stuck in The Matrix as well. 566 00:39:21,663 --> 00:39:25,625 Where like your mind is like in VR space almost. 567 00:39:26,306 --> 00:39:29,028 Where like, you know, it's connected to your brain. 568 00:39:29,626 --> 00:39:29,946 Right. 569 00:39:29,946 --> 00:39:34,006 Yeah, that's sadly, it's probably also brought that up yesterday or today. 570 00:39:34,006 --> 00:39:39,130 It was uh Gabe's other company for neuro input. 571 00:39:39,130 --> 00:39:41,350 uh Yeah. 572 00:39:41,350 --> 00:39:49,714 So uh cool stuff like there's, you know, there's neat things and applications of like, how do we bridge that gap? 573 00:39:49,714 --> 00:39:59,301 And if you could jump into the matrix, like plug in like legit plug in, I would be interested in doing something like that. 574 00:39:59,301 --> 00:40:03,123 But it would have to have assurances that I wouldn't die. 575 00:40:03,123 --> 00:40:08,306 ah But as long as those assurances were there, I would totally jump in. 576 00:40:08,306 --> 00:40:09,187 would totally be plugged. 577 00:40:09,187 --> 00:40:11,688 I'm already plugged into the internet as is. 578 00:40:11,688 --> 00:40:13,889 So it's not that far removed. 579 00:40:13,889 --> 00:40:25,016 But yeah, I think that there's a if you could be actually inserted into a virtual world and exist in there outside, like, you know, virtual reality is just trying to make that 580 00:40:25,016 --> 00:40:27,427 happen with external stuff. 581 00:40:27,537 --> 00:40:31,605 I think it's cool, I think it's a really cool idea and who knows if we ever actually get there. 582 00:40:31,605 --> 00:40:33,974 I'd only do it if I could self-host it. 583 00:40:34,083 --> 00:40:34,953 Right. 584 00:40:35,634 --> 00:40:36,594 Yeah. 585 00:40:37,155 --> 00:40:38,296 mean, no, totally. 586 00:40:38,296 --> 00:40:38,536 Right. 587 00:40:38,536 --> 00:40:49,725 Because like, I mean, not to get all like, oh, man, it's like this whole like, kind of upsetting part of me where I feel like the need to like start, you know, I'm already there 588 00:40:49,725 --> 00:40:52,827 where I'm like, well, I'm going to have to start doing everything myself. 589 00:40:52,827 --> 00:40:57,071 I can't like I'm legitimately at the point where Google sucks. 590 00:40:57,071 --> 00:40:58,711 Search engines suck. 591 00:40:58,752 --> 00:40:59,713 I can see AI. 592 00:40:59,713 --> 00:41:00,713 uh 593 00:41:00,945 --> 00:41:18,765 Helping search for me and decrapify like I want to make my own local AI my own local LLM that would just search for me and decrapify Google That you know, it's like but I like I'm 594 00:41:18,765 --> 00:41:28,393 I'm in agreement with you like you have to be at the position where You know, even where LLMs are right like Google used to have that Golden Age, right where? 595 00:41:28,548 --> 00:41:33,082 everyone use Google and you search and it would be like, that was exactly what I was looking for. 596 00:41:33,082 --> 00:41:35,263 And that happened for years. 597 00:41:35,564 --> 00:41:43,469 And then in the past, you know, three, five years that has started to decline where it's just not been as good. 598 00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:46,522 And I feel like AI does that in some sense. 599 00:41:46,522 --> 00:41:48,174 It gives us that, whoa, look at that. 600 00:41:48,174 --> 00:41:49,235 That's awesome. 601 00:41:49,235 --> 00:41:55,469 And you have to wonder how much longer until like you type something in AI and it's like, well, have you considered buying this product? 602 00:41:55,469 --> 00:41:57,801 And it's like, no, no, no, no, no. 603 00:41:57,813 --> 00:42:01,758 I'm not looking for whatever sponsored link you have at the top here. 604 00:42:01,758 --> 00:42:02,940 Give me what I want. 605 00:42:02,940 --> 00:42:04,402 Don't give me the crap. 606 00:42:04,402 --> 00:42:09,763 have you seen that leaked internal Google video called the selfish ledger? 607 00:42:11,083 --> 00:42:27,878 Look it up because it will creep you the fuck out uh It's essentially uh Google's idea of like how we can monetize every single aspect of every human interaction and make people 608 00:42:27,878 --> 00:42:31,186 want us to do that for them and it's 609 00:42:31,186 --> 00:42:32,791 absolutely wild. 610 00:42:32,791 --> 00:42:37,243 Like, um yeah, it's crazy. 611 00:42:37,253 --> 00:42:38,864 No, I totally get it. 612 00:42:38,864 --> 00:42:49,282 mean, like, see the you can you if you just take a step back and just take a look at whatever you're doing and saying, OK, this is no longer what I'm searching for is no 613 00:42:49,282 --> 00:42:50,983 longer of concern to Google. 614 00:42:50,983 --> 00:42:53,365 What I'm looking for is no longer a concern to Google. 615 00:42:53,365 --> 00:43:04,212 Google put whatever whatever I am looking for and find something slightly adjacent that they could sell to me and or that someone could pay them to show put in front of my eyes 616 00:43:04,253 --> 00:43:05,073 and. 617 00:43:05,609 --> 00:43:15,209 You get that feeling, but the problem is is that there's a lot of people that don't get disconnected where they don't realize that isn't what they were actually looking for and 618 00:43:15,209 --> 00:43:20,269 don't also accept that Google is only showing you what they want to show you. 619 00:43:20,269 --> 00:43:24,189 And it goes in that whole vein of like, you know, for also YouTube content and stuff, right? 620 00:43:24,189 --> 00:43:28,069 Like if a tree falls in the forest, but there's no one to hear it, does it make a sound? 621 00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:33,432 And it's like if you make a video, but YouTube doesn't show it, did you actually make a video like? 622 00:43:33,432 --> 00:43:42,537 if YouTube doesn't show your stuff, know, all of that is, is, you know, gauged and, um, that, you know, 623 00:43:42,552 --> 00:43:42,912 very scary... 624 00:43:42,912 --> 00:43:44,272 I saw your post on Twitter. 625 00:43:44,272 --> 00:43:46,732 You mentioned a very scary possibility. 626 00:43:46,952 --> 00:43:48,012 You know... 627 00:43:48,012 --> 00:43:48,672 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 628 00:43:48,672 --> 00:43:49,592 So you know how like... 629 00:43:49,592 --> 00:43:51,132 Yeah, so like... 630 00:43:51,132 --> 00:43:52,292 I don't know if you guys... 631 00:43:52,292 --> 00:43:54,592 you other guys have seen it, like... 632 00:43:54,592 --> 00:43:58,592 Essentially, you know how like lot of channels are using AI to make content? 633 00:43:59,012 --> 00:44:09,524 What if Google just cuts out the content creators and just makes YouTube entirely AI-generated where you just type shit in like your quote-unquote search bar? 634 00:44:09,524 --> 00:44:14,149 and it quote unquote searches for you, but it turns out it just makes a bunch of videos. 635 00:44:14,149 --> 00:44:15,751 it's just gonna gen... 636 00:44:16,936 --> 00:44:17,481 I mean... 637 00:44:17,481 --> 00:44:22,234 don't think they can replace everyone, but they'll start doing what they can. 638 00:44:22,234 --> 00:44:27,888 look, if you look at Google Vio 3, has been someone like a lot of the Google view. 639 00:44:27,888 --> 00:44:29,560 was like, that's kind of interesting. 640 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,323 But then someone made interdimensional cable for that. 641 00:44:33,323 --> 00:44:36,205 And I don't know if you guys have ever watched Rick and Morty. 642 00:44:36,426 --> 00:44:44,933 So they just had real life characters, just like six seconds clips and then go to some other really bizarre internet. 643 00:44:44,933 --> 00:44:49,905 And it was the problem is, is that I genuinely found it slightly fascinating. 644 00:44:49,905 --> 00:44:51,925 and I was actually watching it. 645 00:44:51,925 --> 00:44:56,305 And when I started watching it, I was like, oh wait, this is AI slop. 646 00:44:56,305 --> 00:45:00,485 And it was just like, oh, this is it. 647 00:45:00,545 --> 00:45:01,345 How? 648 00:45:03,305 --> 00:45:04,325 Yeah. 649 00:45:04,456 --> 00:45:15,073 I mean, that's why I started my blog because I was like YouTube is heading for self-destruction or like social destruction or something and I just need my own outlet 650 00:45:15,073 --> 00:45:17,081 where I can communicate with people, you know 651 00:45:17,081 --> 00:45:21,581 like it's like, it's the eventual process, like where you start to like become aware of what's going on. 652 00:45:21,581 --> 00:45:29,101 You like, I just need to have a farm and I need to generate my own electricity and I need to host my own stuff and take care of my own stuff. 653 00:45:29,101 --> 00:45:31,540 don't, I don't want any of this anymore. 654 00:45:31,899 --> 00:45:38,691 you know, thankfully even in the post-YouTube era, this podcast will hopefully live on, because it's on other platforms. 655 00:45:41,010 --> 00:45:41,400 Yep. 656 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,041 And it's also like on, uh, what are the platforms? 657 00:45:44,041 --> 00:45:48,794 Apple podcasts, Spotify So should we talk about Computex now? 658 00:45:48,794 --> 00:45:53,757 I think it's about time we get into that because I know things have been very 659 00:45:53,757 --> 00:46:04,480 I was so I was looking at my LM studio, which is I can run my local LM like AI stuff and just seeing what I could do search wise See if I can already do what the Fox can do 660 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,644 uh house AI right? 661 00:46:07,346 --> 00:46:09,950 Yeah, yeah, you just say home. 662 00:46:10,317 --> 00:46:11,629 getting closer. 663 00:46:12,207 --> 00:46:14,600 Can you say, house do this for you? 664 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,481 House, make my dinner for me. 665 00:46:16,481 --> 00:46:17,753 I used to have it automated. 666 00:46:17,753 --> 00:46:19,244 need to get back into it. 667 00:46:19,865 --> 00:46:20,346 That's right. 668 00:46:20,346 --> 00:46:24,130 You have those specialty devices. 669 00:46:24,479 --> 00:46:26,082 Yeah. 670 00:46:26,082 --> 00:46:29,146 Home Assistant's pretty neat, but yeah, let's get to Computex. 671 00:46:29,345 --> 00:46:30,706 Let's let's well. 672 00:46:30,706 --> 00:46:33,316 Well, hold up guys before we do that. 673 00:46:34,457 --> 00:46:42,530 Anyone that's watching, especially watching, subscribe, you know, get a follow us, do all that good stuff if you have not done so. 674 00:46:42,530 --> 00:46:47,902 You can also if you're listening, you know, uh follow us on your favorite podcast. 675 00:46:47,902 --> 00:46:49,174 ah 676 00:46:49,174 --> 00:46:50,783 leave us some comments too. 677 00:46:50,783 --> 00:46:52,174 I want to hear what you guys think. 678 00:46:52,174 --> 00:46:52,985 to them. 679 00:46:52,985 --> 00:46:53,685 Mm-hmm. 680 00:46:53,685 --> 00:47:03,365 And then the RSS feed just I'll say that real quick the podcast podcast dot subscribe to dot me and so yeah that 681 00:47:03,365 --> 00:47:03,949 enabled. 682 00:47:03,949 --> 00:47:06,753 You can comment with your Mastodon account. 683 00:47:06,881 --> 00:47:10,380 Hmm very nice 684 00:47:11,083 --> 00:47:13,509 Okay, let's get on to the Computex stuff now. 685 00:47:13,509 --> 00:47:16,889 oh yeah, since the last time you've been here, Fox, we've started sharing screens now. 686 00:47:16,889 --> 00:47:17,830 Or at least the host has. 687 00:47:17,830 --> 00:47:20,350 In this case, it's James this week. 688 00:47:20,590 --> 00:47:25,050 But essentially, Computex happened this week, and it's wrapping up tonight. 689 00:47:25,050 --> 00:47:28,970 In fact, it might already be over in Taiwan, since it's Saturday already. 690 00:47:29,570 --> 00:47:35,745 But essentially, what's going on is Computex happened, there were a bunch of stuff. 691 00:47:35,745 --> 00:47:38,285 know, lots of stuff. 692 00:47:39,049 --> 00:47:41,201 toms hardware has so much 693 00:47:41,201 --> 00:47:52,730 like Intel unveiled a new GPU or professional GPU and they unveiled Panther Lake I'm not super sure what to do with Panther Lake I think that's more the Fox's territory 694 00:47:52,955 --> 00:48:02,262 Yeah, Panther Lake is Panther Lakes interesting They claim that it's gonna have the same type of efficiency that lunar Lake had which is really good while having the core design 695 00:48:02,262 --> 00:48:14,630 of arrow Lake H um So that's fascinating the problem for me like so insofar as the handheld game the biggest detriment that we have like CPU wise were were Cores aplenty 696 00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:22,225 frequency aplenty we have been too much CPU on the handheld side of things for nine years now uh seven years now 697 00:48:22,563 --> 00:48:23,504 We don't need more CPU. 698 00:48:23,504 --> 00:48:36,441 We need more GPU and uh There's g3 GPU uh core Potentially interesting with they are still LPDDR5 on that platform and so far as the mobile side of things which means that we're 699 00:48:36,441 --> 00:48:49,918 effectively topping off at uh 8533 megatransfers, which if it's only 128 bit wide I didn't see anything that was different for bit with differences on there uh aka like Strix Halo, 700 00:48:49,918 --> 00:48:51,239 uh so 701 00:48:51,448 --> 00:48:59,808 It remains to be seen how cool this will be for a handheld and so it with regard to the differences between lunar lake as it is like on the claw 8 right? 702 00:48:59,808 --> 00:49:01,888 So is it cool? 703 00:49:01,888 --> 00:49:05,928 It's neat, but because we are so GPU. 704 00:49:05,988 --> 00:49:17,708 If because we're so bandwidth served on less a GPU comes along that is so fundamentally better at doing more work with the same amount or less memory. 705 00:49:17,808 --> 00:49:19,488 We're pretty much stagnant. 706 00:49:19,488 --> 00:49:20,759 We're stuck in the water. 707 00:49:20,759 --> 00:49:33,242 ah So from a handheld perspective, not potentially interesting until I could learn more about it, what maybe G3 does, uh or if there's cache that they have that could facilitate 708 00:49:33,242 --> 00:49:37,255 for the GPU as well, that would be a big help. 709 00:49:37,556 --> 00:49:38,637 we have to wait and see. 710 00:49:38,637 --> 00:49:42,571 ah It's interesting, but I couldn't tell you more without actually using it. 711 00:49:42,571 --> 00:49:44,883 I couldn't really quantify anything for you. 712 00:49:45,266 --> 00:49:56,506 valid and I was looking to the new ARK pros and for one these are a lot cheaper than like the thousand dollar like graphics cards that Nvidia will sell you for professional use but 713 00:49:56,506 --> 00:50:05,786 also they won't restrict what drivers you can use with these so you can use gaming drivers with these if so desired in fact I think Maxon is selling a dual GPU variant which is like 714 00:50:05,786 --> 00:50:15,390 those old like the 50 like the 590s like the Nvidia used to make back in the day I think that was like two 5080 580s I don't know 715 00:50:15,390 --> 00:50:16,451 It's been a while though. 716 00:50:16,451 --> 00:50:25,856 And on the topic of Nvidia released the 5060 this week, and there's been lot of controversy surrounding that, especially in regards to the fact that they released it 717 00:50:25,856 --> 00:50:28,598 within the same week Computex is happening. 718 00:50:28,758 --> 00:50:42,886 As to drown out that, and a lot of reviewers, like Gamers Nexus and Linus Tech Tips, have both agreed, and they both state that Nvidia is most likely doing this, allegedly. 719 00:50:43,004 --> 00:50:55,183 to try to drown out the negative press, given that, A, these aren't great, big, well, what's the word I'm looking for, improvements over the 4060s. 720 00:50:55,224 --> 00:51:01,649 And also the fact that they're super expensive and that no one can buy them even if they wanted to. 721 00:51:01,649 --> 00:51:04,088 I mean, it's a shit show for Nvidia. 722 00:51:04,088 --> 00:51:07,408 Yeah, I have a 56 DTI right next to me right now. 723 00:51:07,848 --> 00:51:09,588 I'm still reviewing it. 724 00:51:09,588 --> 00:51:10,092 did you pay? 725 00:51:10,092 --> 00:51:12,244 How much did you- how much over did you pay? 726 00:51:12,287 --> 00:51:14,469 No, I have to send it back to ASUS by next week. 727 00:51:14,469 --> 00:51:17,011 So I don't have that much more time with it. 728 00:51:17,011 --> 00:51:22,596 uh So I'm just kind of running through it real quick and seeing where it starts to break down. 729 00:51:22,596 --> 00:51:32,764 But mostly it's just so like, it's fine for me because once I collect my data, whatever, I'll have whatever driver set and Windows version that I'm using when I have my data, it's 730 00:51:32,764 --> 00:51:36,467 still relatively in the ballpark for me to compare to like other things and stuff. 731 00:51:36,467 --> 00:51:42,031 uh But yeah, it's, know, the NVIDIA 732 00:51:42,237 --> 00:51:52,876 NVIDIA is a crazy thing to say, It's also like you could, I'm stumbling along here. 733 00:51:52,997 --> 00:51:54,558 Xbox is in third place, right? 734 00:51:54,558 --> 00:51:57,260 In a far third place and they're getting beat up by everybody. 735 00:51:57,260 --> 00:52:02,075 It's hard to feel bad for Xbox when it's Microsoft because they're a $3 trillion company. 736 00:52:02,075 --> 00:52:05,107 like, boo, that $3 trillion company is in third place. 737 00:52:05,107 --> 00:52:09,661 Likewise for NVIDIA, they find themselves to be in a bad spot. 738 00:52:09,953 --> 00:52:19,721 Perhaps there was brain drain because their stock shot up so much and all the employees that had stock options and were like, you know, peace, like I got my parachute, like pull 739 00:52:19,721 --> 00:52:20,872 the rip cord. 740 00:52:20,872 --> 00:52:25,496 And there has been, there's like driver problems that they're having. 741 00:52:25,656 --> 00:52:31,221 And the Blackwell series is not terribly captivating. 742 00:52:31,221 --> 00:52:36,165 This entire GPU generation is not very captivating, especially for like AMD's uh 9070. 743 00:52:36,165 --> 00:52:38,625 It would have been if there was enough stock. 744 00:52:38,625 --> 00:52:44,473 where you could buy the 9070 XT for 600 bucks, that's a fantastic GPU for 600 bucks. 745 00:52:44,473 --> 00:52:46,577 Likewise for the 9060 XT. 746 00:52:46,577 --> 00:52:47,399 do have a question with that. 747 00:52:47,399 --> 00:52:50,803 Didn't they have like more stock though than Nvidia when they released? 748 00:52:50,803 --> 00:52:52,474 Just not enough still. 749 00:52:52,516 --> 00:52:54,107 did, just not enough. 750 00:52:54,107 --> 00:53:06,048 Basically, they had a fantastic deal that all of their businesses, they were like, all like ACES, every company that all the AIBs that they were working with that had made 90, 751 00:53:06,048 --> 00:53:11,448 70 XTs had stock and were sitting on it for like since mid January. 752 00:53:11,448 --> 00:53:14,928 And RDNA 4 didn't go on sale until sometime in like March. 753 00:53:14,928 --> 00:53:19,903 So there was stock sitting around waiting for AMD just to talk about it. 754 00:53:19,903 --> 00:53:21,983 And AMD was like, well, what do we do? 755 00:53:21,983 --> 00:53:22,763 What do we price it at? 756 00:53:22,763 --> 00:53:24,083 And all this other stuff. 757 00:53:24,123 --> 00:53:26,103 And they priced it at $600. 758 00:53:26,103 --> 00:53:29,043 All the AIBs were expecting it to be $750. 759 00:53:29,043 --> 00:53:31,783 So AMD is like, oh, we'll give you a rebate for selling this. 760 00:53:31,783 --> 00:53:32,843 And those sold out. 761 00:53:32,843 --> 00:53:34,803 There's a big hollow blue. 762 00:53:34,803 --> 00:53:39,083 It's near impossible to find that thing for $600, the MSRP for it. 763 00:53:39,083 --> 00:53:44,883 And now you have the 9060 XT, which is supposed to be $350 the 16 gigabyte version. 764 00:53:44,883 --> 00:53:49,223 That is positioning itself to be a 5060. 765 00:53:49,951 --> 00:53:55,471 TI competitor and they're saying they're slightly better than a 5060 TI and hundreds of dollars cheaper. 766 00:53:55,471 --> 00:53:59,531 So again, you're in a situation where like, wow, AMD is looking like a really great buy. 767 00:53:59,531 --> 00:54:01,591 Can you buy it for $350? 768 00:54:01,751 --> 00:54:02,650 Who knows? 769 00:54:02,650 --> 00:54:16,530 think there's, is it because there's there's so much demand in Nvidia's, really, like, artificially limit their GPUs. 770 00:54:16,530 --> 00:54:22,170 So, they've mentioned they don't care about gamers multiple times. 771 00:54:22,170 --> 00:54:26,750 And so, I'm shocked that people still trust them, and they do piss me off. 772 00:54:26,750 --> 00:54:28,230 mean, I don't know. 773 00:54:28,230 --> 00:54:28,546 But. 774 00:54:28,546 --> 00:54:37,966 is that like people associate AMD with being shitty in terms of GPU because I mean for the longest time they have been trailing behind Nvidia for like how many years has it been 775 00:54:37,966 --> 00:54:38,674 now? 776 00:54:38,892 --> 00:54:45,556 NVIDIA always had proprietary stuff that was always better or ahead of the curve of on AMD. 777 00:54:45,556 --> 00:54:49,499 No matter what it was, when 3D was a thing, NVIDIA had a better solution. 778 00:54:49,499 --> 00:54:51,200 AMD had an open source solution. 779 00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:55,742 uh AMD's solution still works, whereas NVIDIA's thing doesn't. 780 00:54:55,742 --> 00:54:59,104 uh So there's things like that that were going on. 781 00:54:59,104 --> 00:55:02,226 And then obviously, they went into uh upscaling. 782 00:55:02,226 --> 00:55:04,032 uh 783 00:55:04,032 --> 00:55:15,592 machine learning upscaling and stuff and they had a lead on that and now the FSR for is finally good enough for that but we're you know you're at a point where Nvidia for I don't 784 00:55:15,592 --> 00:55:26,252 really blame Nvidia all that much because Nvidia was always looking for the next big thing you they were I mean like in 2010 2008 you could have bought bought their stock for like 785 00:55:26,252 --> 00:55:31,901 on a five bucks it was like five dollars shares like nothing because no one valued gaming and even gamers. 786 00:55:31,901 --> 00:55:34,412 were buying it, but then they weren't selling enough of them. 787 00:55:34,412 --> 00:55:41,276 There was set amount of PC gamers and all this stuff was in console stuff and that's a whole other bag of noodles. 788 00:55:41,637 --> 00:55:57,186 So it's a weird thing for me because you could argue the fact that Nvidia is in the position they are for machine learning because of gamers, because of enthusiasts paying 789 00:55:57,186 --> 00:55:59,871 that top dollar stuff for their stuff. 790 00:55:59,871 --> 00:56:01,471 for them to get to the point of that. 791 00:56:01,471 --> 00:56:08,551 In 2010, Nvidia got beat up really bad because they were trying to enter the mobile space and they were getting beat up. 792 00:56:08,631 --> 00:56:17,251 one was buying anything from Nvidia and everything that Nvidia was making, they were literally developing chips. 793 00:56:17,251 --> 00:56:20,751 They taped them out, got chips, were trying to sell them. 794 00:56:20,751 --> 00:56:26,951 They acquired a company that was a software-defined radio company for cellular so that they could be in mobile. 795 00:56:26,951 --> 00:56:28,915 They were legitimately trying to 796 00:56:28,915 --> 00:56:32,816 get wins in cell phones and having zero wins at all. 797 00:56:32,956 --> 00:56:35,457 And uh when they made these chips, no one was buying them. 798 00:56:35,457 --> 00:56:36,837 So what do they do with those lemons? 799 00:56:36,837 --> 00:56:37,668 They make lemonade. 800 00:56:37,668 --> 00:56:39,278 They make the Nvidia Shield. 801 00:56:39,278 --> 00:56:40,599 Nvidia Shield comes out. 802 00:56:40,599 --> 00:56:46,120 that's all the reason that that product ever existed was to make use of the garbage that no one wanted. 803 00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:50,582 And Tegra X1 was also garbage that no one wanted until Nintendo comes along. 804 00:56:50,582 --> 00:56:52,942 And that story is that. 805 00:56:52,942 --> 00:56:53,923 Nvidia is not in mobile. 806 00:56:53,923 --> 00:56:55,604 They don't care about it anymore. 807 00:56:55,604 --> 00:57:02,708 They don't technically care about gaming anymore because, I mean, they tried getting in cars with automotive and, you know, doing auto stuff for cars. 808 00:57:02,708 --> 00:57:04,768 They had no wins there. 809 00:57:05,289 --> 00:57:08,891 The reality is that Nvidia is a terrible business partner. 810 00:57:08,891 --> 00:57:13,133 And you look at all their history, look at what they did with the original Xbox. 811 00:57:13,133 --> 00:57:14,664 They were in the original Xbox. 812 00:57:14,664 --> 00:57:16,154 There was a GeForce 3. 813 00:57:16,154 --> 00:57:17,335 What did they do? 814 00:57:17,335 --> 00:57:20,727 Microsoft wanted to make a, know, like, hey, you know, the Xbox has been out for two years. 815 00:57:20,727 --> 00:57:21,897 Can we get a good deal on this? 816 00:57:21,897 --> 00:57:23,818 And Nvidia was like, no, you can pay top dollar. 817 00:57:23,818 --> 00:57:25,375 And they're like, what the hell? 818 00:57:25,375 --> 00:57:27,315 So what does Microsoft do? 819 00:57:27,315 --> 00:57:29,635 They fast track the Xbox 360. 820 00:57:29,635 --> 00:57:31,735 They're like, screw this, we're making the Xbox 360. 821 00:57:31,735 --> 00:57:33,835 Let's go to ATI and IBM. 822 00:57:33,835 --> 00:57:35,655 So they leave NVIDIA. 823 00:57:35,655 --> 00:57:37,355 The PS3 comes along. 824 00:57:37,475 --> 00:57:39,495 Cell is a monumental failure. 825 00:57:39,495 --> 00:57:41,795 11th hour, NVIDIA comes in. 826 00:57:42,255 --> 00:57:44,475 Is NVIDIA still in PlayStations? 827 00:57:44,475 --> 00:57:46,475 No, they're a terrible business partner. 828 00:57:46,575 --> 00:57:51,315 Every time NVIDIA gets involved with a business partner, it doesn't work out. 829 00:57:51,315 --> 00:57:52,767 You look at the Switch 2. 830 00:57:52,767 --> 00:57:55,887 It's $450 and $500 versus $300 now. 831 00:57:55,887 --> 00:57:57,267 Why is that? 832 00:57:57,267 --> 00:57:58,587 Nvidia wanted their money. 833 00:57:58,787 --> 00:58:01,347 Like, and Nintendo helped them out with the X1. 834 00:58:01,347 --> 00:58:02,947 You know, they bought their lemons. 835 00:58:02,947 --> 00:58:08,267 But now that Switch is a big thing, Nvidia is like, you like our stuff, right? 836 00:58:08,267 --> 00:58:10,267 And you know, now they want their money. 837 00:58:11,227 --> 00:58:18,099 you know, they're a bad business partner and you look at all the things that they've done and it just turns out that... 838 00:58:18,099 --> 00:58:23,161 with all the CUDA stuff that they developed and the machine learning stuff that everyone uses it. 839 00:58:23,161 --> 00:58:38,707 Everyone uses CUDA and a lot of, uh lots of things just, CUDA was the one thing that NVIDIA developed for GPGPUs that really solidified the foundation of a lot of GPU work. 840 00:58:38,808 --> 00:58:46,848 And because all that work was there and foundationally done, they became rigid and anyone that had to do any work for GPUs, you automatically bought NVIDIA. 841 00:58:46,848 --> 00:58:50,748 And that was like the catalyst for them to do stuff. 842 00:58:51,208 --> 00:59:00,348 So I don't know, you look at a lot of the things that Envy had done and they're selling out of their top end stuff for like $50,000 a card or some other nonsense, right? 843 00:59:00,928 --> 00:59:06,748 Like why make chips for gamers even if you charge them $3,000? 844 00:59:07,388 --> 00:59:10,488 it doesn't make sense for them. 845 00:59:10,688 --> 00:59:12,328 this entire G. 846 00:59:14,568 --> 00:59:15,052 I. 847 00:59:15,052 --> 00:59:20,439 thing is, I just, yeah, yeah. 848 00:59:21,352 --> 00:59:22,211 I guess. 849 00:59:22,244 --> 00:59:29,844 I didn't really think about Nvidia being the one with Nintendo's balls in the vice grip to be honest I love the I thought it'd be the other way around because you know Nintendo 850 00:59:29,844 --> 00:59:30,749 right but like 851 00:59:30,749 --> 00:59:32,960 Yeah, so like you look at both of those companies. 852 00:59:33,021 --> 00:59:46,475 Yeah, Yeah, when you look at the when Nintendo first came around, uh Nvidia was going to Nintendo for business 100%. 853 00:59:46,475 --> 00:59:52,357 I don't know if you guys know, but uh Nvidia was selling the switch concept before the switch even existed. 854 00:59:52,357 --> 00:59:54,479 I actually saw it at PAX. 855 00:59:54,479 --> 00:59:56,691 They were like I was Nvidia was there like hey, check this out. 856 00:59:56,691 --> 00:59:59,839 It's an Android tablet and like you can plug it in and it becomes the thing I'm like. 857 00:59:59,839 --> 01:00:02,159 Yeah, all but what was making Android games for that? 858 01:00:02,159 --> 01:00:03,559 Like, no one's doing this. 859 01:00:03,559 --> 01:00:04,639 So I just kind of like went away. 860 01:00:04,639 --> 01:00:05,479 And then I saw the switch. 861 01:00:05,479 --> 01:00:11,859 I was like, holy moly, that that's exactly so Nintendo just bought exactly what Nvidia had wholesale. 862 01:00:11,859 --> 01:00:20,439 Like the the idea of a switch like system was Nvidia's like thing that they pitched to them and they they got. 863 01:00:20,619 --> 01:00:24,159 But they were behind me. 864 01:00:24,159 --> 01:00:24,859 Who? 865 01:00:26,050 --> 01:00:28,518 needed an out of the Wii U. 866 01:00:29,518 --> 01:00:31,662 Like, the Wii U was a failure. 867 01:00:32,364 --> 01:00:47,321 Right, but the idea of Nintendo going to a platform that was portable and console together as one was, in my opinion, not Nintendo's like ultimate decision like they that might have 868 01:00:47,321 --> 01:00:50,452 been like something that was like on the wall somewhere. 869 01:00:51,112 --> 01:00:57,835 Nvidia pitched that exact idea because I saw it like I literally saw it at a convention. 870 01:00:57,835 --> 01:00:58,244 So. 871 01:00:58,244 --> 01:00:58,720 Right. 872 01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:04,220 I find it hard to believe that Nvidia is like here, look, you can have an Android tablet, but you can also have a console. 873 01:01:04,220 --> 01:01:07,140 And then like a year or so later, Nintendo has it. 874 01:01:07,140 --> 01:01:08,740 I'm like, whoa. 875 01:01:09,860 --> 01:01:17,200 Yeah, so I'm sure Nintendo saw this and they saw that their portable line is super popular. 876 01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:18,800 Their Wii U is not. 877 01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:22,120 And they're like, look, we're dividing our resources here. 878 01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:23,660 Why don't we just do both? 879 01:01:23,660 --> 01:01:26,140 Because of this thing and it works and it's cool. 880 01:01:26,411 --> 01:01:31,234 and they bought Nvidia's lemons because Nvidia was dying for someone to take it. 881 01:01:31,495 --> 01:01:44,214 I mean, it was so bad that the only company that was literally using the X1 and the K1 was a company called JXD, is a Chinese company uh that was making like, you know, handhelds, 882 01:01:44,214 --> 01:01:46,165 you know, back in the old days, right? 883 01:01:46,645 --> 01:01:48,647 JXD was using them. 884 01:01:48,647 --> 01:01:49,788 They designed the whole thing. 885 01:01:49,788 --> 01:01:50,768 They make a deal. 886 01:01:50,768 --> 01:01:52,650 Nvidia makes a deal with Nintendo. 887 01:01:52,650 --> 01:01:55,181 So sorry, JXD, you can't use this anymore. 888 01:01:55,375 --> 01:01:57,657 And JXD basically evaporated as a company. 889 01:01:57,657 --> 01:01:58,798 They stopped to exist. 890 01:01:58,798 --> 01:02:01,760 So that like demolished their entire company. 891 01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:04,563 But they're small potatoes and no one knows about them. 892 01:02:04,563 --> 01:02:08,466 But at the time, Nintendo was dominant in that business relationship. 893 01:02:08,466 --> 01:02:15,592 After the Switch became such a success and everyone wants that Nvidia juice, Nvidia came to the table. 894 01:02:15,592 --> 01:02:17,894 Nintendo still wants to make money on their hardware. 895 01:02:17,894 --> 01:02:21,336 They made money on the Switch One and Nvidia didn't. 896 01:02:21,597 --> 01:02:22,698 And now they are. 897 01:02:22,698 --> 01:02:24,639 And that's why the... 898 01:02:24,639 --> 01:02:28,421 They're on they're on Samsung 8N, so it's not like that's a super expensive node. 899 01:02:28,421 --> 01:02:29,862 They're not like on an advanced node. 900 01:02:29,862 --> 01:02:33,303 They're using a chip that was from 2021 so. 901 01:02:33,844 --> 01:02:35,535 You know it. 902 01:02:35,535 --> 01:02:37,806 It's just a business way again. 903 01:02:38,026 --> 01:02:49,543 I don't like Nvidia just business like how they do stuff, but they just I mean they're doing stuff to what's best for their business and at the detriment to everyone else and 904 01:02:49,543 --> 01:02:54,176 and like whatever fine, but Blackwell itself is not. 905 01:02:54,176 --> 01:02:56,876 terribly exciting for gamers at all. 906 01:02:56,876 --> 01:03:00,396 And the thing that they're pitching for everyone was like, we boosted. 907 01:03:00,396 --> 01:03:03,496 Like, how do you have 80 % more bandwidth? 908 01:03:03,496 --> 01:03:06,336 80 % more bandwidth. 909 01:03:06,336 --> 01:03:09,536 And you're only 20 % better than the 4090. 910 01:03:09,536 --> 01:03:13,496 Like, a 5090 is 20 % better with 80 % more bandwidth. 911 01:03:13,696 --> 01:03:15,076 The number's staggering to me. 912 01:03:15,076 --> 01:03:18,316 And it's like, oh, it's just for feeding for the AI stuff. 913 01:03:18,316 --> 01:03:20,236 That's multi-frame generation stuff. 914 01:03:20,236 --> 01:03:21,839 And it's like, ah. 915 01:03:21,839 --> 01:03:27,813 You know, and that's the other thing that soured a lot of people and Gamers Nexus was doing it because they got the the notice from them. 916 01:03:27,813 --> 01:03:32,967 They're like, you know, you show all these things and Gamers Nexus is like, well, screw that. 917 01:03:32,967 --> 01:03:35,258 If we're getting this, we know you're sending it to other people. 918 01:03:35,258 --> 01:03:41,539 So if anyone just shows like bogus data, which there were some outlets were like, look at how good the 5060 TI is. 919 01:03:41,539 --> 01:03:44,065 And it shows, you know, five times better. 920 01:03:44,065 --> 01:03:46,366 And it's like, that's multi-frame generation, right? 921 01:03:46,366 --> 01:03:48,678 Versus not like that's stupid. 922 01:03:48,678 --> 01:03:50,999 uh It's just a 923 01:03:51,239 --> 01:03:52,887 I don't know, it's a dumb thing. 924 01:03:52,887 --> 01:03:55,839 I can go on and rant about this forever and I already have gone too far. 925 01:03:55,839 --> 01:04:08,794 yeah, let's get on to this Nvidia NV link, but I will have to say I do think Nvidia shouldn't themselves in the foot and I think they're I just most companies they usually 926 01:04:08,794 --> 01:04:11,105 will have multi. 927 01:04:13,566 --> 01:04:21,149 Multi markets that they go into, especially once they get as big as a trillion dollar company, so there's no real reason why they're doing what they're doing, except for. 928 01:04:21,858 --> 01:04:22,607 Money. 929 01:04:22,607 --> 01:04:24,329 making mistakes, why stop them? 930 01:04:24,329 --> 01:04:35,282 Well, you have to understand that I'm sure Nvidia would love to make everything for everything, but the reality is that if TSMC is booked and their schedule time is all 931 01:04:35,383 --> 01:04:40,904 scheduled out, you're basically at the whim of how much TSMC can produce for you. 932 01:04:40,904 --> 01:04:45,006 So your output is only equal to whatever they can produce. 933 01:04:45,006 --> 01:04:49,402 And if that is a limited quantity, you're only going to do your biggest stuff. 934 01:04:49,402 --> 01:04:58,587 I that, but there's ways around getting new partners and stuff like that to build stuff. 935 01:05:01,049 --> 01:05:02,850 It just amazes me what's going on. 936 01:05:02,850 --> 01:05:05,931 uh I haven't seen anything on this. 937 01:05:05,931 --> 01:05:11,064 Have you, Hi-Tech or Gardner or The Fox on this Nvidia NVLink? 938 01:05:11,433 --> 01:05:14,271 This is their infrastructure for connecting stuff together. 939 01:05:14,271 --> 01:05:15,734 custom stuff. 940 01:05:15,734 --> 01:05:21,023 I mean there weren't too many announces within video I just put it there kind of just to have it and I mean 941 01:05:21,023 --> 01:05:28,824 to join GPUs so that you have a larger VRAM pool and yeah that's it's all all ultimately this comes down to just B-switching. 942 01:05:28,986 --> 01:05:38,023 I mean, to be honest, I kind of made this topic the way it is because the news was kind of light when I did the outline for this, but then we had some much bigger news come out like 943 01:05:38,023 --> 01:05:39,154 yesterday. 944 01:05:39,166 --> 01:05:44,272 As you know, SteamOS, yeah, 3.7.8. 945 01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:49,236 This is to work with other um types of hardware. 946 01:05:49,236 --> 01:06:00,552 I mean, it doesn't seem like it's big, but this is probably a pretty big deal within the AI sphere of things, especially with how chipsets are specialized anymore. 947 01:06:00,933 --> 01:06:01,319 So. 948 01:06:01,319 --> 01:06:07,882 but given how Nvidia is running it, I'm almost certain it's not gonna be as easy as it sounds. 949 01:06:07,882 --> 01:06:12,991 There's gonna be some bullshit stipulations and whatnot, because, you know, it's Nvidia, right? 950 01:06:12,991 --> 01:06:18,274 you you have you have lots of companies like Coreweave came out and they're doing gangbusters right now. 951 01:06:18,274 --> 01:06:21,396 And that's all about interconnecting a lot of these things as well. 952 01:06:21,396 --> 01:06:23,697 So Envy Link isn't terribly new. 953 01:06:23,697 --> 01:06:27,625 um But like ultimately, that's all it comes down to. 954 01:06:27,625 --> 01:06:34,913 And this is effectively just, you know, PCI, PCI over over network over copper. 955 01:06:34,913 --> 01:06:35,183 Right. 956 01:06:35,183 --> 01:06:38,925 So that's what this all basically boils down to. 957 01:06:38,925 --> 01:06:41,067 uh Yeah. 958 01:06:41,067 --> 01:06:42,127 How do you 959 01:06:42,623 --> 01:06:45,203 How do you get AI to grow? 960 01:06:45,203 --> 01:06:48,103 How do you get those inferences to do? 961 01:06:48,103 --> 01:06:49,123 How could you do more? 962 01:06:49,123 --> 01:06:54,403 And it's really just joining all of these together so that they can work on massive data sets faster. 963 01:06:54,403 --> 01:06:58,363 And that's all it really comes down to is just the scalability issue. 964 01:06:58,363 --> 01:06:59,383 And they're tackling it. 965 01:06:59,383 --> 01:07:02,963 It's really cool stuff, but it's not for us in the slightest. 966 01:07:02,963 --> 01:07:05,655 It's for feeding the AI monster right now. 967 01:07:05,810 --> 01:07:08,952 it's going to be for everyone once they don't have a job. 968 01:07:08,973 --> 01:07:11,174 This is what's coming for your jobs. 969 01:07:13,756 --> 01:07:14,276 OK. 970 01:07:14,276 --> 01:07:27,845 m This website refreshes, I think it's because it's in live mode, it refreshes every like, um I don't know, 30 seconds, so I have to keep on jumping around. 971 01:07:28,767 --> 01:07:30,127 It's really annoying. 972 01:07:30,127 --> 01:07:34,240 um Do we not? 973 01:07:35,150 --> 01:07:38,025 have the claw in here let's do claw 974 01:07:38,058 --> 01:07:42,843 MSI brings AMD-based AMD gaming handheld, updated midrange, yadda yadda yadda. 975 01:07:42,843 --> 01:07:46,678 I mean, to be honest, it's a Z2 refresh. 976 01:07:46,678 --> 01:07:49,168 I don't think it's super interesting. 977 01:07:49,549 --> 01:08:02,611 What's more interesting, I think, is a Zotac 2 zone, uh which comes with a Z2 Extreme, yes, but it also runs Manjaro, which is interesting because it's not SteamOS, but it's not 978 01:08:02,611 --> 01:08:03,682 Windows, either. 979 01:08:04,303 --> 01:08:16,111 Yeah, honestly, Manjaro is probably it's one of my favorite Linux distros and uh I know a lot of people have valid criticisms of Manjaro, but like when it comes to just setting it 980 01:08:16,111 --> 01:08:21,695 up and not having to worry about your distro and like I think Manjaro is probably one of the best out there. 981 01:08:21,695 --> 01:08:25,497 uh And so I'm really excited to see this. 982 01:08:25,758 --> 01:08:27,799 I was like really keen on the Orange Pie. 983 01:08:27,799 --> 01:08:30,161 um What was it called? 984 01:08:30,161 --> 01:08:32,242 The Orange Pie Neo? 985 01:08:33,223 --> 01:08:34,103 Yeah. 986 01:08:34,315 --> 01:08:36,712 And but like that, I don't know what's going on with that. 987 01:08:36,712 --> 01:08:43,278 I haven't heard anything about it for ages, but this uh has kind of captured my attention for sure. 988 01:08:43,310 --> 01:08:48,249 What I do find fascinating is Zotac used to be one of Valve's partners back in the Steam Machine days. 989 01:08:48,249 --> 01:08:50,924 I remember, they had that tiny little cube. 990 01:08:50,924 --> 01:08:52,737 It was a mini PC almost. 991 01:08:52,737 --> 01:08:56,200 SN, was it the SN90 or something like that? 992 01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:58,716 don't remember, but there were a lot of partners. 993 01:08:58,716 --> 01:09:02,995 mean, fuck, Falcon Northwest made a steam machine, it was like $5,000. 994 01:09:02,995 --> 01:09:05,726 Yeah. 995 01:09:05,726 --> 01:09:21,671 The interesting thing about this is that it's got the Ryzen AI uh HX370, which is what I think that's the same CPU as what's in my Minis forum AI whatever this is, AI X1 or 996 01:09:21,671 --> 01:09:22,541 whatever. 997 01:09:22,541 --> 01:09:26,882 And that CPU and GPU combo rips. 998 01:09:26,882 --> 01:09:30,723 It is so performant like 999 01:09:31,053 --> 01:09:36,890 my God, it blew the pants off the Steam Deck, it blows the pants off the Legion Go. 1000 01:09:36,890 --> 01:09:41,905 It's so fast and it can play games like nobody's business. 1001 01:09:41,905 --> 01:09:45,520 So uh that'll be cool to see in a handheld. 1002 01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:46,731 What I hate... 1003 01:09:46,821 --> 01:09:48,350 sorry, go ahead. 1004 01:09:48,875 --> 01:09:54,652 Well, I was just gonna say, I hate the naming scheme of the fuckin' Ryzen AI process. 1005 01:09:54,652 --> 01:09:57,567 It's abysmal, at best. 1006 01:09:57,567 --> 01:10:09,947 Yeah, so what's really nice, this is the same one like what the Switch 2, why the Switch 2 has a benefit on its APO arrangement, is that you have 16 CUs of RDNA 3.5 and that's 1007 01:10:09,947 --> 01:10:13,507 really again where you're going to be getting a lot of your performance. 1008 01:10:13,507 --> 01:10:16,807 It's still limited to 7500 megatransfers. 1009 01:10:16,867 --> 01:10:21,727 So you have a real hard cap into what you're going to be able to achieve. 1010 01:10:21,727 --> 01:10:22,993 You're better off... 1011 01:10:22,993 --> 01:10:28,328 leveraging lower resolutions and lower settings to achieve higher frame rates that the CPUs can help out on. 1012 01:10:28,328 --> 01:10:36,024 If you start upping resolution, you're going to find you're going to have a hard ceiling fast because you'll be just massively GPU bound and the CPUs aren't going to just do 1013 01:10:36,024 --> 01:10:37,095 nothing for you. 1014 01:10:37,095 --> 01:10:43,741 So uh HX370 is nice with 16 CUs, but it's just an expensive part. 1015 01:10:43,741 --> 01:10:50,323 uh Typically HX370 machines with like 32 GHz RAM run you around $1,300 on average. 1016 01:10:50,323 --> 01:10:51,072 uh 1017 01:10:51,072 --> 01:10:53,052 I the cheapest one I saw was like $1,200. 1018 01:10:53,212 --> 01:10:58,692 So that's definitely on the super high end for as far as handhelds are concerned. 1019 01:10:58,692 --> 01:11:05,672 And the Z2E is a variant of the HX370 with four less CPU cores, same GPU though, and faster memory. 1020 01:11:05,672 --> 01:11:08,643 So the Z2E should outperform the HX370 considerably. 1021 01:11:08,643 --> 01:11:11,756 That's, there's so many good options coming up. 1022 01:11:11,756 --> 01:11:24,991 I'm really, because I want to do what you're doing, Fox, is that I want to really replace most of my, like my uh least gaming side of things with a more portable slim down. 1023 01:11:25,053 --> 01:11:28,275 it's super freeing, especially with some of the solutions that they have there. 1024 01:11:28,275 --> 01:11:31,574 The newer stuff that's coming out uh with Thunderbolt 5. 1025 01:11:31,574 --> 01:11:34,639 Thunderbolt 5 is looking like it's going to be kind of okay. 1026 01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:39,923 But then like there's newer ones that are using MCIO, which is the successor to OcuLink. 1027 01:11:39,923 --> 01:11:43,476 So that can make use of PCIe5 uh over wire. 1028 01:11:43,476 --> 01:11:52,251 So that type of stuff is, what, you know, like that, at that point when you go MCIO, MCIO, Mini CoolEdge, you can do PCIe5 and 1029 01:11:53,104 --> 01:11:57,406 Even if it's only 4x lanes, you're going to get double the bandwidth of what the previous gen was. 1030 01:11:57,406 --> 01:12:00,727 So you're really going to be cooking at that point. 1031 01:12:00,727 --> 01:12:04,664 where I am right now, even only on 4x lanes, I have a 4090. 1032 01:12:04,664 --> 01:12:09,411 uh There is no real issue bandwidth-wise. 1033 01:12:09,411 --> 01:12:12,122 uh I can match. 1034 01:12:12,122 --> 01:12:19,395 Yeah, so if you were to design a GPU-bound scenario, one game that you can do that on real easy is Returnal. 1035 01:12:19,395 --> 01:12:21,796 It's just a heavily demanding GPU game. 1036 01:12:21,910 --> 01:12:22,804 Yeah. 1037 01:12:23,004 --> 01:12:28,744 max settings, the CPU is just going to be waiting for the GPU to just crunch all this stuff. 1038 01:12:28,744 --> 01:12:38,764 And what I found is on my system, I can match performance to a friend's desktop 4090 with a way faster CPU and a CPU can go up to 200 watts. 1039 01:12:38,764 --> 01:12:42,604 And I match performance then indicating it's a GPU bound problem. 1040 01:12:42,604 --> 01:12:48,244 But also the bandwidth that I have is also fundamentally just good enough. 1041 01:12:48,244 --> 01:12:51,443 So even right now at 4x PCIe 4, 1042 01:12:51,443 --> 01:12:55,416 That's enough for a 4090 interactively with what you need for gaming. 1043 01:12:55,416 --> 01:13:01,303 So doubling that will fit you comfortably with wherever you need to be uh in all sense and purpose. 1044 01:13:01,303 --> 01:13:03,373 So I find it freeing. 1045 01:13:03,373 --> 01:13:04,295 Go ahead. 1046 01:13:04,625 --> 01:13:05,436 no. 1047 01:13:06,338 --> 01:13:10,543 But what you're not saying is that you're using DLSS and your friend isn't right. 1048 01:13:11,085 --> 01:13:14,763 I'm just I'm just making a joke, by the way, I'm kind of referencing back to like. 1049 01:13:14,763 --> 01:13:15,663 Multi-frame generation. 1050 01:13:15,663 --> 01:13:16,024 Yeah, yeah. 1051 01:13:16,024 --> 01:13:22,800 No, uh it was fascinating to me because I was I was certain that my friend would have uh a clear advantage. 1052 01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:36,898 in a he does have a clear advantage when uh it's no longer GPU bound when you don't have it because the 4090 is is genuinely a GPU monster that seldom will you be in a GPU bound 1053 01:13:36,898 --> 01:13:40,410 scenario and you will very rapidly be in a CPU bound. 1054 01:13:40,488 --> 01:13:50,368 And because he has a desktop CPU that can ramp up all core to higher frequencies than I'll ever dare hit on a mobile platform where I'm living it by 40 watts and he's chewing up 200 1055 01:13:50,368 --> 01:14:01,288 He's gonna outpace me by a bunch, but even inside of that same thing, you know, I'll get like in Tomb Raider The Shadow of the Tomb Raider I'll hit like 150 FPS and it'll hit like 1056 01:14:01,288 --> 01:14:02,748 180 FPS. 1057 01:14:02,828 --> 01:14:10,172 So it's not Terribly, so he's like 20 % better than I am But you know, I'm using 1058 01:14:10,172 --> 01:14:12,634 five times less power than he is on the CPU side. 1059 01:14:12,634 --> 01:14:14,875 So, but that's to be expected, right? 1060 01:14:14,875 --> 01:14:20,078 With the VF curve of how that whole stuff works, you're just going to use exponentially more power to hit those higher frequencies. 1061 01:14:20,078 --> 01:14:32,178 So to be expected, but still it's a very freeing type of mentality because you can have, especially with the GPU and Macs, I'm a huge fan of this type of thing, especially if 1062 01:14:32,178 --> 01:14:35,947 you're utilitarian, is that you could have that. 1063 01:14:35,947 --> 01:14:37,449 And then when you need to go, 1064 01:14:37,449 --> 01:14:40,269 you just disconnect that and then you you have whatever. 1065 01:14:40,269 --> 01:14:45,249 So now like you have the HX 370 which is still a very performant chip like gardeners talking about. 1066 01:14:45,249 --> 01:14:51,009 But now you have that mobile when you get home you have an HX 370 CPU side but then a 4090 on GPU. 1067 01:14:51,009 --> 01:15:04,289 So it's like you can have the best of both worlds and like having this baller mobile setup you know 64 gigs of RAM on real good CPU very good GPU when you're mobile and then come 1068 01:15:04,289 --> 01:15:07,218 home and just like ramp up your GPU to like. 1069 01:15:07,218 --> 01:15:10,080 You know, have the PC switch equivalent, right? 1070 01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:14,173 Like be baller mobile and be super baller when you're desktop. 1071 01:15:14,173 --> 01:15:19,376 So I love it and I've used it tons of times when I went to Computex last year. 1072 01:15:19,388 --> 01:15:20,627 I took my WinMax with me. 1073 01:15:20,627 --> 01:15:24,239 So my entire editing suite was on that laptop. 1074 01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:26,851 You know, I didn't have to, you know, I'm not having my laptop. 1075 01:15:26,851 --> 01:15:27,792 That's not my desktop. 1076 01:15:27,792 --> 01:15:31,984 So it becomes this really cool thing. 1077 01:15:32,285 --> 01:15:34,046 I haven't had a desktop. 1078 01:15:34,046 --> 01:15:37,288 I've been on OcuLink now for over two years. 1079 01:15:38,154 --> 01:15:39,459 haven't had an issue. 1080 01:15:40,337 --> 01:15:42,302 Are you using is that the? 1081 01:15:43,228 --> 01:15:46,440 Wood Max 2 is that the? 1082 01:15:46,440 --> 01:15:49,091 am not, no, so the WinMax 2 I can... 1083 01:15:49,091 --> 01:15:50,871 this is the WinMax 2. 1084 01:15:50,871 --> 01:15:51,526 uh 1085 01:15:51,526 --> 01:15:51,889 one of those. 1086 01:15:51,889 --> 01:15:52,923 I loved it. 1087 01:15:53,443 --> 01:16:02,268 Yeah, so uh this is a thing that straddles of the apex of how big of a handheld you can go. 1088 01:16:02,268 --> 01:16:13,795 uh then this becomes like, OK, this is netbook territory with a decent enough keyboard and mouse that you can take with you. 1089 01:16:13,795 --> 01:16:17,537 Right now, I use a GPD Duo, which is their two screen thing. 1090 01:16:17,537 --> 01:16:19,838 uh And that has OcuLink on it. 1091 01:16:19,838 --> 01:16:21,219 And that's what I use. 1092 01:16:21,546 --> 01:16:22,726 Nice. 1093 01:16:22,726 --> 01:16:26,105 Yeah, no, good stuff there. 1094 01:16:26,566 --> 01:16:34,386 Anything else we want to look at here, high tech or any, I know there's so much like $50,000 cooling solution. 1095 01:16:34,386 --> 01:16:35,968 That is crazy. 1096 01:16:35,968 --> 01:16:40,952 but a lot of them are like engineering samples because you know, they're all prototypes. 1097 01:16:41,573 --> 01:16:42,698 Yeah, so I mean. 1098 01:16:42,698 --> 01:16:44,190 and Computex and a lot of these places. 1099 01:16:44,190 --> 01:16:50,528 Some of the stuff you see here won't be, might not ever come out actually, or it won't come out for a while. 1100 01:16:51,176 --> 01:16:53,438 Which is unfortunate, but you know what did come out though? 1101 01:16:53,438 --> 01:16:53,931 stimulus. 1102 01:16:53,931 --> 01:16:54,763 What? 1103 01:16:55,979 --> 01:16:56,973 Let's do it. 1104 01:16:56,973 --> 01:16:59,773 3.7.8. 1105 01:17:00,393 --> 01:17:01,750 Go country! 1106 01:17:01,750 --> 01:17:03,579 this is getting me excited. 1107 01:17:05,308 --> 01:17:06,882 It has been a long time coming, right? 1108 01:17:06,882 --> 01:17:08,842 Like a super long time coming. 1109 01:17:08,842 --> 01:17:12,023 Yeah, it's been like several months. 1110 01:17:12,304 --> 01:17:24,959 Because I remember talking about some of these updates in my Steam Deck news videos in the betas for SteamOS and like this has been quite like I think maybe since December or 1111 01:17:24,959 --> 01:17:28,430 January we haven't seen a new stable. 1112 01:17:28,793 --> 01:17:32,453 Kinda reminds me of Steam OS 3.5, remember that? 1113 01:17:32,713 --> 01:17:37,693 That took a really long time to come out to a stable, and I guess they were prepping it for the OLED release. 1114 01:17:38,013 --> 01:17:39,933 But what are we gonna get now, Steam Night 2? 1115 01:17:39,933 --> 01:17:42,654 Well, now we got a Legion Go S. 1116 01:17:42,654 --> 01:17:43,796 I haven't gone over this yet. 1117 01:17:43,796 --> 01:17:47,100 What's so profound about it besides. 1118 01:17:48,083 --> 01:17:50,628 Just so that everyone's on. 1119 01:17:50,628 --> 01:17:51,408 Yeah. 1120 01:17:51,578 --> 01:17:55,289 stuff has made it from the beta staging stuff. 1121 01:17:55,289 --> 01:18:11,283 I um don't know if you remember, but I was at January or February when the beta came out and it enabled um the LCD model of the Steam Deck to wake up from Bluetooth devices. 1122 01:18:11,323 --> 01:18:15,625 And that's been months and it's finally hit stable here. 1123 01:18:15,625 --> 01:18:17,183 um 1124 01:18:17,183 --> 01:18:18,774 That's very exciting. 1125 01:18:18,774 --> 01:18:27,820 They've also got like, ah hands-free protocol and stuff for Bluetooth, which uh people have been asking for for a while. 1126 01:18:29,662 --> 01:18:41,570 Yeah, the, yeah, they have the call, if you click on the last word of the next paragraph there, here, that this actually, they're calling out specifically that this Steam Deck 1127 01:18:41,570 --> 01:18:46,483 Recovery image now works on not just the Steam Deck, 1128 01:18:46,483 --> 01:18:54,743 and not just the Legion Go S, but also the original Legion Go and the um ROG Ally. 1129 01:18:54,743 --> 01:19:03,203 So, like, you can use this image to flash other handhelds and you can play with proper SteamOS on it. 1130 01:19:03,203 --> 01:19:04,013 Yep. 1131 01:19:04,334 --> 01:19:12,583 Yeah, I installed it earlier today on the uh ROG Ally and just made a quick how-to video because it was insanely simple. 1132 01:19:12,583 --> 01:19:13,433 Mm-hmm. 1133 01:19:14,495 --> 01:19:23,934 I found that the installation process on my Legion Go S here to be incredibly fast, like blazingly fast. 1134 01:19:23,934 --> 01:19:27,087 It only took maybe two or three minutes, like once I got it going. 1135 01:19:27,087 --> 01:19:29,809 um 1136 01:19:29,809 --> 01:19:33,394 install on my own Steam, on my own lead and go S. 1137 01:19:33,394 --> 01:19:48,382 Yeah, I mean I was playing Doom the Dark Ages on this at like around 50 FPS with low settings um And that seemed to work just fine uh Yeah, it's I haven't played anything else 1138 01:19:48,382 --> 01:19:54,319 on it yet because I've been trying to get Cmos installed on other non handhelds, but uh Yeah 1139 01:19:54,319 --> 01:19:54,830 OS? 1140 01:19:54,830 --> 01:19:56,432 Is that your new video? 1141 01:19:58,578 --> 01:20:00,100 Does it steam OS? 1142 01:20:00,302 --> 01:20:02,044 Is that gonna be your next video? 1143 01:20:02,747 --> 01:20:04,184 Just does it steam OS. 1144 01:20:04,184 --> 01:20:04,844 it. 1145 01:20:06,088 --> 01:20:08,328 Install SteamOS on all the things. 1146 01:20:08,328 --> 01:20:10,031 The fridge does the fridge. 1147 01:20:11,016 --> 01:20:13,976 you should install on your Nintendo Switch too. 1148 01:20:13,976 --> 01:20:17,416 That's definitely a bring a style video right there. 1149 01:20:19,696 --> 01:20:20,636 SteamOS. 1150 01:20:22,096 --> 01:20:23,296 You know, but here's the thing though. 1151 01:20:23,296 --> 01:20:33,376 I see a lot of people waiting for SteamOS for the desktop, but I feel like the way it is right now is it really a good fit given that it boosts directly to like, you know, the 1152 01:20:33,376 --> 01:20:35,142 game mode, like. 1153 01:20:35,142 --> 01:20:36,787 Is that really a good fit for desktop users? 1154 01:20:36,787 --> 01:20:42,607 Because I think people want to replace their entire desktop OS, not just like install on like an HTPC. 1155 01:20:42,607 --> 01:20:57,017 Yeah, I mean I like uh I made a video uh yesterday or I posted it this morning and um As like as I was getting ready to finish it uh This news broke so I had to like go and I was 1156 01:20:57,017 --> 01:21:10,606 like super exhausted But understanding like what I did like about this release I was like this is steamos is here right like and so I titled the video steamos is here and I got at 1157 01:21:10,606 --> 01:21:12,325 least two comments that were like 1158 01:21:12,325 --> 01:21:14,186 It is not here. 1159 01:21:14,427 --> 01:21:18,620 When it's ready for use on Nvidia on my desktop, then it's here. 1160 01:21:18,620 --> 01:21:22,103 And I'm like, I don't think you understand how this goes, right? 1161 01:21:22,103 --> 01:21:29,800 Like, I don't know if we're gonna see uh Nvidia support in SteamOS for years. 1162 01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:35,084 Like, honestly, I just don't see it happening anytime soon. 1163 01:21:35,084 --> 01:21:39,227 I mean, I think we'll be lucky if we get Intel support anytime soon. 1164 01:21:39,227 --> 01:21:41,593 Like, I think this is a strictly... 1165 01:21:41,593 --> 01:21:58,508 AMD based distro and uh Having focus like that means that they can like optimize things and Man, I just don't see it being like I like I said, I had trouble installing this on uh 1166 01:21:58,508 --> 01:22:06,134 my the beelink GTI here with a discrete AMD GPU and it doesn't work and That might be by design. 1167 01:22:06,134 --> 01:22:09,787 Like I think they're really trying to hyper focus and make sure that this 1168 01:22:09,795 --> 01:22:13,934 is like a beautiful experience for handhelds. 1169 01:22:14,265 --> 01:22:14,788 I don't know. 1170 01:22:14,788 --> 01:22:22,172 be how long it takes them to get through their backlog of uh all the bugs that are gonna get reported on this. 1171 01:22:22,552 --> 01:22:32,917 if once they get to the desktop and Nvidia and anything else, I'm sure it's gonna depend on how well this does on a bunch of other devices. 1172 01:22:33,518 --> 01:22:37,340 I would say SteamOS could replace the desktop operate. 1173 01:22:37,340 --> 01:22:38,740 uh 1174 01:22:39,313 --> 01:22:43,420 OS, but it would need to switch out game mode. 1175 01:22:43,420 --> 01:22:44,486 It wouldn't launch into game mode. 1176 01:22:44,486 --> 01:22:45,784 It'd launch in the desktop mode, right? 1177 01:22:45,784 --> 01:22:47,557 ah That's about it, though. 1178 01:22:47,557 --> 01:22:49,941 It's a full-fledged Linux distro, so. 1179 01:22:50,488 --> 01:22:51,270 Mm-hmm. 1180 01:22:51,270 --> 01:22:55,453 There are a number of really good improvements that they have included. 1181 01:22:55,453 --> 01:23:05,010 It's been available in their latest one for a while, but if you go into their main ah stuff and you can do into a super preview build. 1182 01:23:05,010 --> 01:23:15,658 So it's been available for a while, but the latest version of Plasma, have uh libcrypt stuff uh that is enabled now so that you can do encryption for stuff for desktop use where 1183 01:23:15,658 --> 01:23:16,958 it wasn't really there before. 1184 01:23:16,958 --> 01:23:20,140 So they're gearing up to do more stuff on desktop. 1185 01:23:20,248 --> 01:23:27,973 to gardeners point for on the AMD side their scheduler uh is moved over from what it was before to that AMD P state. 1186 01:23:27,973 --> 01:23:32,717 So I guess they've uh graduated to that where it's now at a good point. 1187 01:23:32,717 --> 01:23:40,772 And you're going to find using that, especially with like the HX 370 and their heterogeneous CPU cores going between the P and E cores and having that effectively 1188 01:23:40,772 --> 01:23:43,464 schedule on which core is best for it. 1189 01:23:43,464 --> 01:23:45,275 You're going to see it pay a huge dividends for that. 1190 01:23:45,275 --> 01:23:49,956 And that's stuff that I've covered before because cyberpunk is one game that is 1191 01:23:49,956 --> 01:23:54,599 a game that favors many CPU cores and a lot of GPU at the same time. 1192 01:23:54,599 --> 01:24:02,563 And that is outside of all of the uh Proton work that has been done to make Cyberpunk even better. 1193 01:24:03,264 --> 01:24:09,747 Cyberpunk is a clear cut example of if you want better PC gaming performance, you go to Steam OS. 1194 01:24:09,747 --> 01:24:18,084 But pretty much, if you have like an AMD system, you just go over to Steam OS and you'll have a considerably better performance and consistent frame time consistency. 1195 01:24:18,084 --> 01:24:19,945 So there's those things. 1196 01:24:19,945 --> 01:24:25,048 And then there's some other stuff, especially with regard to like uh Mesa that was updated. 1197 01:24:25,048 --> 01:24:35,554 There was, I want to say like a bug that was fixed specifically for like one type of benchmark, but it had repercussions in so far as that basically it was wasting a bunch of 1198 01:24:35,554 --> 01:24:37,776 cycles and that got fixed up. 1199 01:24:37,776 --> 01:24:44,911 So there's like lots and lots of things that you can see right there enabled the MDP state CPU frequency control uh is up a little bit. 1200 01:24:44,911 --> 01:24:45,750 Yeah. 1201 01:24:46,313 --> 01:24:47,994 Yeah, right there. 1202 01:24:47,994 --> 01:24:50,336 So that thing alone is huge. 1203 01:24:50,336 --> 01:24:59,802 if you think of it for, like the stuff that I cover on my channel is always of the mindset of like, how do we get more done on these low power stuff? 1204 01:24:59,802 --> 01:25:08,788 Because for lack of a better word, they're not, when these things are designed, they're designed from like a race to finish. 1205 01:25:08,788 --> 01:25:15,561 uh So get boost to your turbo frequencies, get that work done as fast as you can, and then try to unboost. 1206 01:25:15,561 --> 01:25:18,704 The problem is that in a gaming workload will never happen. 1207 01:25:18,704 --> 01:25:23,528 So you're just in this state of just constantly just redlining the system, wasting power. 1208 01:25:23,528 --> 01:25:31,604 So a lot of the things that I've always done, you know, it becomes counterintuitive for a lot of people and you have to kind of like walk them through it. 1209 01:25:31,604 --> 01:25:34,497 And people were like, oh, I'm on a handheld PC on Windows. 1210 01:25:34,497 --> 01:25:37,319 I go to power control and I say high performance. 1211 01:25:37,319 --> 01:25:40,402 And it's like that is the worst thing you could do in the world. 1212 01:25:40,402 --> 01:25:42,373 And people are like, that doesn't make any sense. 1213 01:25:42,373 --> 01:25:44,819 I said high performance and it said no. 1214 01:25:44,819 --> 01:25:50,454 What you are saying, you have to remember, Linux and Windows, were designed with CPUs. 1215 01:25:50,454 --> 01:25:52,275 CPUs were the only thing on there. 1216 01:25:52,275 --> 01:25:53,807 Literally, the memory controller was on. 1217 01:25:53,807 --> 01:25:56,139 The memory controller was on the north bridge of the motherboard. 1218 01:25:56,139 --> 01:25:59,181 They moved the memory controller to the CPU later on. 1219 01:25:59,181 --> 01:26:02,664 And then they moved GPUs onto the CPU later on. 1220 01:26:02,664 --> 01:26:10,000 But OSes and how they're designed is still designed from a mindset that when they talk to the CPU, they anticipate it to be the CPU only. 1221 01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:12,892 So when you say high performance, you're saying push. 1222 01:26:13,737 --> 01:26:15,758 pedal to the metal on the CPU at all times. 1223 01:26:15,758 --> 01:26:23,840 because, like I said earlier, we need so much GPU, what you actually want to do is enable power saver mode. 1224 01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:28,181 And by power saver mode, it relaxes the CPU and it gives less power to the CPU. 1225 01:26:28,181 --> 01:26:36,163 Thus, inside of the same TDP scope of how much power you can go to on the chip, you now allow more power to go to the GPU. 1226 01:26:36,163 --> 01:26:38,154 It's counterintuitive in that state. 1227 01:26:38,154 --> 01:26:43,165 So like the AMD P State CPU frequency control, all of these kind of tie in together. 1228 01:26:43,190 --> 01:26:45,890 And Linux is better than Windows is. 1229 01:26:45,890 --> 01:26:48,070 In fact, I also did a video on this. 1230 01:26:48,290 --> 01:26:58,630 Basically, you need 25, 25, 31 drivers and the latest the GSA and the latest chipset drivers for the heterogeneous cores on the HX 370 to actually function properly on 1231 01:26:58,630 --> 01:26:59,249 Windows. 1232 01:26:59,249 --> 01:27:02,170 But they've been functioning properly on Linux for a long time now. 1233 01:27:02,830 --> 01:27:07,150 So Linux side of things, kernel side, they do CPU side so much better. 1234 01:27:07,170 --> 01:27:12,837 That's where you really start to get to the nitty gritty of this stuff and really get down to like 1235 01:27:12,837 --> 01:27:22,025 only give the thing what you want it to give because most times they have no idea uh in so far as what the hell they're doing, right? 1236 01:27:22,025 --> 01:27:30,171 So, you you'd be playing a game, I'll end this really quickly, but like a clear example that I would always show is like Hades or Celeste. 1237 01:27:30,171 --> 01:27:32,113 It's like here it is running on the ally. 1238 01:27:32,113 --> 01:27:33,574 It's using 20 watts. 1239 01:27:33,574 --> 01:27:35,295 It's like, why? 1240 01:27:35,295 --> 01:27:36,597 It's a 2D game. 1241 01:27:36,597 --> 01:27:37,737 What are you doing? 1242 01:27:37,737 --> 01:27:40,278 And it's just drilling those CPU cores. 1243 01:27:40,278 --> 01:27:42,453 They're going to 4 gigahertz all the time. 1244 01:27:42,453 --> 01:27:45,094 And it's like, why in the world are you doing that? 1245 01:27:45,094 --> 01:27:49,997 And then if you just go in the TDP, right, and you just throw a wrench, you're like, no, no, you have five watts. 1246 01:27:49,997 --> 01:27:52,268 And it's like, oh, OK, I only have five watts. 1247 01:27:52,268 --> 01:27:54,200 And then CPUs go down to 600 megahertz. 1248 01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:55,620 Frame rate stays the same. 1249 01:27:55,620 --> 01:27:57,761 There's no frame time consistency problems. 1250 01:27:57,761 --> 01:27:59,182 Everything is exactly the same. 1251 01:27:59,182 --> 01:28:01,223 You're just using 15 less watts. 1252 01:28:01,223 --> 01:28:03,825 And it's like, why did I have to do that? 1253 01:28:03,825 --> 01:28:05,245 Why can't you do that? 1254 01:28:05,245 --> 01:28:07,487 Like, you should be aware of that. 1255 01:28:07,487 --> 01:28:11,989 And that's what that P state thing helps us get towards is getting to this. 1256 01:28:12,027 --> 01:28:19,510 automatic thing and getting away from the type of work that I do and giving it so that everyone can have it without even thinking. 1257 01:28:19,510 --> 01:28:22,053 And that's why it's a real big deal. 1258 01:28:22,062 --> 01:28:23,887 I mean, it's exciting. 1259 01:28:23,887 --> 01:28:26,082 That's definitely going to make things a lot easier. 1260 01:28:26,620 --> 01:28:27,954 super awesome stuff. 1261 01:28:28,881 --> 01:28:35,329 uh I just went and looked and the first SteamOS 3.7 preview was March 14th. 1262 01:28:36,251 --> 01:28:40,469 So this has been almost two months, or over two months in the making. 1263 01:28:40,469 --> 01:28:40,881 Right. 1264 01:28:40,881 --> 01:28:41,894 Not bad. 1265 01:28:43,325 --> 01:28:44,416 I am super curious. 1266 01:28:44,416 --> 01:28:53,515 What do you guys think they'll do with the Steam Deck 2 because as you know they made a whole Steam Deck compatible, Steam OS compatible tab for like games that run on Steam OS 1267 01:28:53,515 --> 01:29:01,753 and that's basically the only criteria like what's gonna happen with Starfield when that inevitably runs better on the Steam Deck 2 or at least I would hope it would run better on 1268 01:29:01,753 --> 01:29:02,764 the Steam Deck 2. 1269 01:29:02,764 --> 01:29:06,809 I mean it's considered unplayable because it doesn't run well right on the Steam Deck, right? 1270 01:29:06,809 --> 01:29:13,371 Yeah, so like the real question comes down to is will Valve make a custom hardware with AMD? 1271 01:29:13,371 --> 01:29:15,552 Will Valve pony up the money? 1272 01:29:15,552 --> 01:29:25,375 uh Because it's just sensationally expensive for them to basically go to AMD and say, hey, AMD, for lack of like the HX370, right? 1273 01:29:25,375 --> 01:29:28,735 As a perfect example, it's a very good chip. 1274 01:29:28,916 --> 01:29:32,397 It's by all accounts, a laptop chip. 1275 01:29:32,397 --> 01:29:33,559 It's not a handheld chip. 1276 01:29:33,559 --> 01:29:36,972 It's designed for laptops that are just being put into handhelds. 1277 01:29:36,972 --> 01:29:39,533 It is CPU heavy. 1278 01:29:39,634 --> 01:29:42,916 not it does have a crap ton of GPU, but it doesn't have the bandwidth. 1279 01:29:42,916 --> 01:29:44,838 That's the thing that boggles my mind about these things, right? 1280 01:29:44,838 --> 01:29:46,199 Like you have so much. 1281 01:29:46,199 --> 01:29:49,702 You have 16 CUs at 2.9 gigahertz on the HX 370. 1282 01:29:49,702 --> 01:29:51,393 That's absolutely bonkers. 1283 01:29:51,393 --> 01:29:57,808 You have something that could destroy a series S in just GPU compute on a mobile platform, but we don't have the bandwidth. 1284 01:29:57,808 --> 01:29:59,969 Series S has double the bandwidth that we have. 1285 01:30:00,087 --> 01:30:01,208 and less compute, right? 1286 01:30:01,208 --> 01:30:05,302 So like that's to give you an idea of how starved for bandwidth we are on these things. 1287 01:30:05,302 --> 01:30:11,827 But when you look at these things, Valve is not going to want to have an HX370. 1288 01:30:11,827 --> 01:30:13,709 I don't think Valve is going to want a Z2E. 1289 01:30:13,709 --> 01:30:18,973 I think Valve is going to want the best of the best, in my personal opinion. 1290 01:30:18,973 --> 01:30:21,135 But then it's a big cost. 1291 01:30:21,135 --> 01:30:23,698 And does, will they do that? 1292 01:30:23,698 --> 01:30:24,278 I don't know. 1293 01:30:24,278 --> 01:30:28,181 uh Will they use whatever AMD does with their Z series chip? 1294 01:30:28,996 --> 01:30:30,086 Maybe I don't know. 1295 01:30:30,086 --> 01:30:32,447 uh I don't know. 1296 01:30:32,748 --> 01:30:35,849 I would hope that they design their own chip. 1297 01:30:35,849 --> 01:30:50,177 like basically that's what it comes down to is that Valve, for lack of a better word, is our only hope that we would have a handheld that is worthwhile to have sometime in 2026. 1298 01:30:50,177 --> 01:30:59,021 Because the reality is that for like general handheld stuff, we won't have the next generation of GPUs until sometime in mid 1299 01:30:59,021 --> 01:31:00,762 late 2027. 1300 01:31:00,762 --> 01:31:12,224 That's when UDNA starts coming to these mobile parts because the next round of mobile APUs is RDNA 3.5 again and bet your bottom dollar it's only 128 bit wide so we're still 1301 01:31:12,265 --> 01:31:13,525 bandwidth starved. 1302 01:31:13,525 --> 01:31:16,306 RDNA 4 gets more done and less bandwidth. 1303 01:31:16,306 --> 01:31:18,486 uh UDNA is probably as well. 1304 01:31:18,486 --> 01:31:29,241 So 2027 is like a clear cut like okay that's a for sure when we have a significant this is what the next generation of handhelds are. 1305 01:31:29,241 --> 01:31:40,330 We can get there a earlier, just remains to be seen if Valve uh ponies up the dough, because lots of these things are kind of, not with any, but the tariff situation that they 1306 01:31:40,330 --> 01:31:44,053 have going on now is probably making things even worse. 1307 01:31:44,954 --> 01:31:58,225 going to AMD and saying, give us this big honking GPU, give us four small, super awesome Zen 6 CPUs, give us tons of bandwidth, and Bob's your uncle, you're gonna have this just 1308 01:31:58,225 --> 01:31:58,981 monster. 1309 01:31:58,981 --> 01:32:03,101 that will just decimate everything else on the market. 1310 01:32:03,301 --> 01:32:04,981 Same thing happened with the Steam Deck. 1311 01:32:04,981 --> 01:32:12,521 Steam Deck came out, when Van Gogh came out, there was no RDNA 2 handled at the moment, and it was 2X better than Vega. 1312 01:32:12,521 --> 01:32:20,941 So you had the current handouts on the market, and then Steam Deck comes out, and it's like $300 cheaper and two times better. 1313 01:32:20,941 --> 01:32:23,421 And it's like, well, this doesn't take a genius. 1314 01:32:23,421 --> 01:32:26,121 Like, I'm just gonna get a Steam Deck. 1315 01:32:26,341 --> 01:32:27,768 And that had... 1316 01:32:27,768 --> 01:32:33,161 Has the Steam Deck really lost its place inside of the handheld market? 1317 01:32:33,161 --> 01:32:36,303 There are better handhelds, but is it two times better than the Steam Deck? 1318 01:32:36,303 --> 01:32:37,323 No, it isn't. 1319 01:32:37,323 --> 01:32:39,484 Not by any stretch of the imagination. 1320 01:32:39,484 --> 01:32:48,209 In some weird places, you can get like 50 % better, uh but then you're paying a whole bunch more and you're using a bunch more power. 1321 01:32:48,209 --> 01:32:50,190 So it's like, well, where are you really? 1322 01:32:50,190 --> 01:32:52,011 What are you actually getting here? 1323 01:32:52,011 --> 01:32:54,032 You're not 2X better. 1324 01:32:54,032 --> 01:32:56,363 And until we get to that point... 1325 01:32:57,125 --> 01:32:58,620 They're gonna have to pay and... 1326 01:32:58,620 --> 01:33:01,308 I don't know man. 1327 01:33:01,308 --> 01:33:04,387 It's a lot. 1328 01:33:04,387 --> 01:33:05,799 I will say. 1329 01:33:06,262 --> 01:33:09,985 basically like, you're basically in the territory of where Microsoft and Sony are. 1330 01:33:09,985 --> 01:33:18,031 When they go to them and say, we need a chip for the PS5, we need a chip for the Xbox, Valve needs to go to AMD and say, we need a chip for the Steam Deck 2. 1331 01:33:18,031 --> 01:33:21,614 Please give us all the GPU and all the bandwidth. 1332 01:33:21,614 --> 01:33:23,799 Give us the best one. 1333 01:33:24,134 --> 01:33:29,334 think AMD will pull an Nvidia and be like, oh, the Steam Deck was super successful, we want more money. 1334 01:33:29,334 --> 01:33:29,834 No? 1335 01:33:29,834 --> 01:33:30,371 No? 1336 01:33:30,371 --> 01:33:31,911 They haven't done it ever. 1337 01:33:32,111 --> 01:33:39,491 They've been, AMD has never been a bad business partner in, I don't know, how long has AMD been? 1338 01:33:39,491 --> 01:33:40,471 2013? 1339 01:33:40,851 --> 01:33:45,811 They haven't been a bad business partner since Xbox One and PS4. 1340 01:33:45,811 --> 01:33:47,431 They haven't been a bad business partner. 1341 01:33:47,891 --> 01:33:52,131 It's evident that they haven't been a bad business partner because they have gone to no one else. 1342 01:33:52,131 --> 01:33:56,331 The only thing that I could see that Valve would do differently, 1343 01:33:56,853 --> 01:34:02,468 is that they could still go to AMD, but they could say, AMD, know what? 1344 01:34:02,468 --> 01:34:08,282 uh x86 stuff that you make is baller, but the sleep schedules are terrible on here. 1345 01:34:08,282 --> 01:34:11,655 And especially since they went to modern standby, it's even more junk. 1346 01:34:11,875 --> 01:34:13,457 We need stuff that powergates better. 1347 01:34:13,457 --> 01:34:15,118 We want the ARM CPU. 1348 01:34:15,118 --> 01:34:21,283 So then you could have something that's ARM CPU and just their UDNA GPU. 1349 01:34:21,283 --> 01:34:25,006 So then you have actual emulation happening that would be needed. 1350 01:34:25,006 --> 01:34:26,516 uh 1351 01:34:26,516 --> 01:34:34,156 So much of the stuff again is on the GPU side of things that we're starved for that would you guys trade? 1352 01:34:34,156 --> 01:34:34,780 I don't know. 1353 01:34:34,780 --> 01:34:41,022 Let's say it's a 20 % performance hit on emulation for actual sleep modes. 1354 01:34:41,022 --> 01:34:43,843 Like, you know, just press it and have. 1355 01:34:44,564 --> 01:34:45,924 Have a. 1356 01:34:46,585 --> 01:34:50,386 Guarantee that effectively you're going to use 1 % of your battery in 24 hours, right? 1357 01:34:50,386 --> 01:34:52,461 Like you will at the current. 1358 01:34:52,461 --> 01:34:57,035 where we are with x86, it doesn't power gate good at all on modern stand by junk. 1359 01:34:57,035 --> 01:35:00,637 Maybe if they backported S3 sleep mode to it, we could get there. 1360 01:35:00,637 --> 01:35:06,183 um But you know, what is it like time to game TGG? 1361 01:35:06,183 --> 01:35:16,192 um That's where the switch switch wins a lot of other stuff wins being able to just press a button and jump right back into it has a lot of value. 1362 01:35:16,192 --> 01:35:20,271 um So I wouldn't even discount going them going to an arm. 1363 01:35:20,271 --> 01:35:23,431 because they have been doing work on ARM CPU side as well. 1364 01:35:23,571 --> 01:35:29,751 So I could see that being a custom chip, the big part of it is they need that GPU and they need the bandwidth to it. 1365 01:35:29,751 --> 01:35:35,811 You just give us a big V12 GPU engine and give us a big honking fuel line for it. 1366 01:35:35,811 --> 01:35:44,291 And I don't really care what the CPU, like we're not starved for CPU and ARM chips are good enough for 60, 120 FPS, problem. 1367 01:35:45,271 --> 01:35:47,771 So yeah, I mean, that's also another avenue that you can do. 1368 01:35:47,771 --> 01:35:49,645 that would be a real... 1369 01:35:49,645 --> 01:35:58,024 wrench in the works for insofar as competing with other PC gaming handles, because you would be like, oh, now we have actual sleep modes. 1370 01:35:58,024 --> 01:35:59,706 Lots of interesting things that they can do still. 1371 01:35:59,706 --> 01:36:00,696 uh 1372 01:36:00,696 --> 01:36:05,608 love to see Arm as the next one, but we'll see. 1373 01:36:06,352 --> 01:36:07,413 We'll see. 1374 01:36:07,531 --> 01:36:10,157 it really is just a valve's gonna spend the money. 1375 01:36:10,157 --> 01:36:11,659 And that's all it comes down to. 1376 01:36:12,075 --> 01:36:17,935 I mean, there's evidence that they're exploring that option with, what is it? 1377 01:36:17,935 --> 01:36:20,856 86 bucks or no, it's not 86 bucks. 1378 01:36:20,856 --> 01:36:25,057 think it's a F- No, I think it's a Fexemu or something like that. 1379 01:36:25,260 --> 01:36:26,482 F-E-Xemu. 1380 01:36:26,571 --> 01:36:28,471 Yeah, there's something like that. 1381 01:36:28,471 --> 01:36:33,677 It's an ARM emulator for 86, x86 CPUs, yeah. 1382 01:36:33,677 --> 01:36:33,887 Yeah. 1383 01:36:33,887 --> 01:36:37,038 So there's going to be the overhead for that emulation. 1384 01:36:37,038 --> 01:36:43,981 We don't really have much overhead right now with the uh rappers that are happening for Volkan to uh DX stuff. 1385 01:36:43,981 --> 01:36:45,882 You lose about like 3 percent. 1386 01:36:45,882 --> 01:36:47,232 It's like negligible. 1387 01:36:47,232 --> 01:36:48,863 It's like, OK, no big deal. 1388 01:36:48,863 --> 01:36:52,444 And largely when you're playing games, it's not you know, you don't really even see it. 1389 01:36:52,444 --> 01:36:55,045 And for games like cyberpunk, we actually do a lot better. 1390 01:36:55,045 --> 01:37:00,109 uh There has been evidence that with a proton and all the other stuff fossilized and all the other things that they're doing. 1391 01:37:00,109 --> 01:37:10,302 that if a company were inclined, they could enhance proton for a game specifically, like Valve has already done for God of War, Cyberpunk, Elden Ring. 1392 01:37:10,302 --> 01:37:17,264 uh Valve has done the work themselves and showcased that they can take this to the next level for gaming. 1393 01:37:17,264 --> 01:37:19,684 like, Elden Rings has these stutter problems on PC. 1394 01:37:19,684 --> 01:37:22,785 And Valve's like, one moment. 1395 01:37:23,165 --> 01:37:26,586 And it's like, here, just down the list, latest proton, everything's cool. 1396 01:37:26,586 --> 01:37:29,967 So that was like, But they're still. 1397 01:37:30,037 --> 01:37:32,409 only five million units sold. 1398 01:37:32,409 --> 01:37:34,010 So I don't know. 1399 01:37:34,010 --> 01:37:40,035 uh Arm is fine, but it isn't. 1400 01:37:40,596 --> 01:37:43,818 Arm is not inherently better than x86. 1401 01:37:44,319 --> 01:37:55,068 Arm has the capability of being more performance single threaded in a lower power threshold, which is arguably what we need for gaming purposes. 1402 01:37:55,148 --> 01:37:58,103 But then you have the overhead of the emulation 1403 01:37:58,103 --> 01:37:59,724 That would be bringing that down. 1404 01:37:59,724 --> 01:38:04,845 So uh it's kind of like, know, six and one and half a dozen and the other. 1405 01:38:04,865 --> 01:38:06,526 You got to take whatever you can get. 1406 01:38:06,526 --> 01:38:08,206 I personally think it would be fine. 1407 01:38:08,206 --> 01:38:13,287 I would like it mostly just for uh the sleep state. 1408 01:38:13,287 --> 01:38:15,548 I think that would be the killer thing. 1409 01:38:15,548 --> 01:38:23,370 Sleep mode works relatively well as it is, but RDNA 2 Van Gogh actually does have S3 sleep mode. 1410 01:38:23,370 --> 01:38:24,991 you like you do the ACPE. 1411 01:38:24,991 --> 01:38:26,277 uh 1412 01:38:26,277 --> 01:38:28,603 If you challenge AKB against it, it S3 sleep. 1413 01:38:28,603 --> 01:38:32,573 Whereas all of the newer stuff does not support S3 at all. 1414 01:38:32,573 --> 01:38:35,008 It is SOIX only. 1415 01:38:35,008 --> 01:38:36,148 Sorry, I was getting a call. 1416 01:38:36,148 --> 01:38:39,628 But yeah, that's basically it. 1417 01:38:40,128 --> 01:38:43,198 I could muse all day, but really just comes down to. 1418 01:38:43,198 --> 01:38:46,018 You know, I I emailed Gaben. 1419 01:38:46,018 --> 01:38:50,018 I was just like, please give us a big GPU and a lot of bandwidth. 1420 01:38:50,018 --> 01:38:51,178 Signed Fox. 1421 01:38:51,298 --> 01:38:53,458 And like, he didn't reply. 1422 01:38:54,998 --> 01:38:57,718 But yeah, that's what I was like, I was like, hey, it's Fox. 1423 01:38:57,718 --> 01:38:58,689 Say hey, listen. 1424 01:38:58,689 --> 01:39:00,129 Please more GPU. 1425 01:39:00,229 --> 01:39:02,349 that's all. 1426 01:39:03,089 --> 01:39:04,049 Yeah. 1427 01:39:04,869 --> 01:39:05,709 Yeah. 1428 01:39:08,509 --> 01:39:11,193 But yeah, we get, go ahead. 1429 01:39:11,193 --> 01:39:25,385 the custom silicon for the, they're, Gabe's son has that, I don't even remember what the startup is, but we talked about earlier with the uh implants. 1430 01:39:26,026 --> 01:39:26,496 Yeah. 1431 01:39:26,496 --> 01:39:28,488 And they're doing a custom silicon for that. 1432 01:39:28,488 --> 01:39:29,288 So. 1433 01:39:29,736 --> 01:39:36,315 be interesting to see if maybe Valve's gonna start investing in more custom silicon, period. 1434 01:39:36,315 --> 01:39:38,460 Even though it's different, but. 1435 01:39:39,390 --> 01:39:45,113 you know, it really is, it's not like it's terribly difficult to do custom silicon. 1436 01:39:45,113 --> 01:39:54,897 It's just that AMD is going to charge a buttload because what you basically do is you pay for the design upfront. 1437 01:39:54,897 --> 01:40:02,040 And at that point, AMD, like for Xbox and PlayStation, they go to AMD, they say, this is the solution that we want. 1438 01:40:02,040 --> 01:40:05,261 And AMD says, well, these are the parts that we have here, the Lego pieces. 1439 01:40:05,261 --> 01:40:06,341 what Lego pieces do you want? 1440 01:40:06,341 --> 01:40:07,922 And then you put them all together. 1441 01:40:08,142 --> 01:40:11,073 You say, okay, you own this now, here you go. 1442 01:40:11,073 --> 01:40:13,202 And now you can go and it out. 1443 01:40:13,202 --> 01:40:19,285 But because you own this now and this is all of our part, you pay us this lump sum of cashola. 1444 01:40:19,385 --> 01:40:21,485 And uh that's how it works. 1445 01:40:21,485 --> 01:40:29,067 So basically Valve would be the owner of that chip uh and they would have the rights to it. 1446 01:40:29,067 --> 01:40:32,368 And then they can go to companies to get it fabbed out wherever they want. 1447 01:40:32,368 --> 01:40:34,889 And then if they want updates to it, they can go back to AMD. 1448 01:40:34,925 --> 01:40:37,027 get it updated and whatnot. 1449 01:40:37,027 --> 01:40:39,729 more or less, that's how I understand it to operate. 1450 01:40:39,729 --> 01:40:45,974 And that's why Microsoft and Sony go to AMD all the time, because they get to own the chip. 1451 01:40:45,974 --> 01:40:51,167 Whereas we go back to NVIDIA being bad business partners, they never own the chip. 1452 01:40:51,167 --> 01:40:52,029 NVIDIA own the chip. 1453 01:40:52,029 --> 01:40:55,582 And whenever they want to renegotiate, NVIDIA is like, well, pound salt. 1454 01:40:55,582 --> 01:40:57,003 How about you just pay us money? 1455 01:40:57,003 --> 01:41:03,328 And then they're like, OK, well, how about we just pull the rip cord and make a new system and just leave this old one behind? 1456 01:41:03,328 --> 01:41:04,849 uh 1457 01:41:04,993 --> 01:41:07,122 Yeah, so that's really where comes down to. 1458 01:41:07,792 --> 01:41:09,036 Okay, well. 1459 01:41:09,036 --> 01:41:20,862 Speaking of all this in the Steam Deck, the Switch 2 is supposedly weaker than the Steam Deck, getting into this next topic, I'm really curious. 1460 01:41:20,862 --> 01:41:23,323 So, Hi Tech, you're the one that introduced this. 1461 01:41:23,756 --> 01:41:24,618 Do you wanna? 1462 01:41:24,618 --> 01:41:27,950 So there was a YouTube video by the name geeker one. 1463 01:41:27,950 --> 01:41:37,216 I think the only issue here so he supposedly has a PCB that is in fact the switch 2's PCB. 1464 01:41:37,277 --> 01:41:39,718 I'm not sure how he managed to get a hold of this. 1465 01:41:40,279 --> 01:41:43,120 But he ran some preliminary benchmarks and. 1466 01:41:43,801 --> 01:41:46,483 According to his three mark tests. 1467 01:41:47,003 --> 01:41:54,218 The quote simulated switch 2 docked is faster than the steam deck, but the handheld version. 1468 01:41:54,260 --> 01:41:57,402 Supposedly is a little weaker than the steam deck. 1469 01:41:57,402 --> 01:42:05,386 I guess it's not that big of surprise given that the fox has been, you know, saying this for He's been shouting at the top of his lungs this for a while now 1470 01:42:05,386 --> 01:42:06,967 lots and lots of Twitter fights about it. 1471 01:42:06,967 --> 01:42:10,328 Like, it's got so many people just just fighting me about this thing. 1472 01:42:10,328 --> 01:42:20,170 So, yeah, I mean, I've been trying to say it for a long time, but it's not like I'm saying when you say this out loud, right, it's you could take this from two sides of the same 1473 01:42:20,170 --> 01:42:20,690 coin. 1474 01:42:20,690 --> 01:42:21,811 There's one side of it. 1475 01:42:21,811 --> 01:42:30,833 It's like, OK, the Steam Deck is going to outperform the switch to just because it's running at 15 watt, right. 1476 01:42:30,833 --> 01:42:31,409 And 1477 01:42:31,409 --> 01:42:37,929 We already know like we know the switch one right. 1478 01:42:37,929 --> 01:42:40,529 Let's just back up a little just so it gives some context. 1479 01:42:40,969 --> 01:42:45,589 The switch one total system power was basically five watt. 1480 01:42:45,589 --> 01:42:47,229 That's the original switch. 1481 01:42:47,429 --> 01:42:59,349 And then when they went over to what is that why is it the name escaping me when they went to their updated one they went from a 20 nanometer planner to 60 nanometer FinFET. 1482 01:42:59,349 --> 01:43:00,849 That was a redesigned chip. 1483 01:43:00,849 --> 01:43:09,989 that they went to and there was a because they went to 69 million FinFET obviously the design is much better but they went from using five watt total system power to three watt 1484 01:43:09,989 --> 01:43:22,149 total system power this is total system power okay so it's the APU the LCD the RAM the fan the Wi-Fi everything okay to put that in context it was running the Witcher 3 inside of 1485 01:43:22,149 --> 01:43:30,001 three watt the latest like switch OLED right the Steam Deck cannot run Witcher 3 at three watts total system power 1486 01:43:30,001 --> 01:43:35,821 It can do it at six watts total system power and pretty poorly, but it can't do it at three watt. 1487 01:43:35,821 --> 01:43:37,961 And that's where the switch one is. 1488 01:43:38,261 --> 01:43:41,021 The switch two is in the same ballpark. 1489 01:43:41,021 --> 01:43:44,681 You have to remember that, you you look at the original steam deck, right? 1490 01:43:44,681 --> 01:43:46,541 It's a 40 watt hour battery. 1491 01:43:46,761 --> 01:43:52,461 The original switch and even Swole-led is a 16 watt hour battery. 1492 01:43:52,461 --> 01:43:54,441 So less than half. 1493 01:43:54,721 --> 01:43:58,701 The switch two is a 19.3 watt hour battery. 1494 01:43:58,711 --> 01:44:10,249 And because we have that information and Nintendo cites it themselves that battery life is 2 to 6 hours, that means that the worst case them saying two hours means that total system 1495 01:44:10,249 --> 01:44:15,012 power for the Switch 2 is somewhere around 9 to 10 watts, somewhere in that area. 1496 01:44:15,012 --> 01:44:18,755 So double what it was from the original Switch 1. 1497 01:44:18,755 --> 01:44:21,557 But that's still total system power. 1498 01:44:21,557 --> 01:44:25,920 And the Steam Deck uses 25 watts total system power by default. 1499 01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:28,281 So when I'm saying this, 1500 01:44:28,281 --> 01:44:29,922 You could take this in two ways. 1501 01:44:29,922 --> 01:44:42,057 You can say, OK, the Steam Deck is going to outperform the Switch, but the Steam Switch 2 is using less than half the total system power and approaching the performance of a Steam 1502 01:44:42,057 --> 01:44:43,778 Deck, which is a big win. 1503 01:44:43,778 --> 01:44:48,119 That is me complementing the Switch 2, but no one saw it as that. 1504 01:44:48,119 --> 01:44:54,752 I just said Steam Deck better, and then they're like, like no one actually read the context of what I was saying. 1505 01:44:54,752 --> 01:44:56,793 uh Now. 1506 01:44:56,793 --> 01:45:09,257 in this thing that Giger one did he simulated the performance and how we did that is with a 2050 mobile part from a laptop which is ampere and it's a different architecture but 1507 01:45:09,257 --> 01:45:21,260 everyone gets caught up on this like it's going to be something wildly different and it isn't that simulated bench is a good approximation like it's 90 % as good as what it's 1508 01:45:21,260 --> 01:45:25,041 going to be the real sauce comes down to 1509 01:45:25,041 --> 01:45:31,921 what our game developer is able to extract more out of this in terms of specific settings that they're going to use. 1510 01:45:31,921 --> 01:45:40,741 They're going to dial things in to get as best of a possible situation as they can that they're not going to be doing that work on the generalized PC build of anything that the 1511 01:45:40,741 --> 01:45:41,841 Steam Deck's going to run. 1512 01:45:41,841 --> 01:45:51,841 So there are going to be certain examples that people are going to dangle and say, hey, look at how good this works. 1513 01:45:52,161 --> 01:45:53,965 Cyberpunk is going to be one of them. 1514 01:45:53,965 --> 01:46:03,169 Cyberpunk is going to be game that is an Nvidia title, it favors Nvidia GPUs, and it favors more physical cores. 1515 01:46:03,389 --> 01:46:13,434 And this is apparent because when I got the preview build of the Steam Deck, when you just looked into GameScope, there was a whole comment block from Valve. 1516 01:46:13,434 --> 01:46:21,837 They're like, we say to uh Cyberpunk that we actually have eight physical cores and not four core, two thread. 1517 01:46:21,906 --> 01:46:31,106 So that gave them a speed boost just to advertise via GameScope to Cyberpunk that it was actually eight cores physical and no hyperthreading. 1518 01:46:31,106 --> 01:46:33,086 And they got a speed boost that way. 1519 01:46:33,646 --> 01:46:37,766 So the Switch 2 is an eight core CPU with an Nvidia GPU. 1520 01:46:37,766 --> 01:46:43,786 This is a system that is as best as it possibly could be for Cyberpunk. 1521 01:46:44,026 --> 01:46:51,973 So on day one, we're going to see examples where people are going to be like, I told you Switch 2 is better than Steam Deck. 1522 01:46:51,973 --> 01:47:00,530 But as time goes on and you start seeing other games come out to it, you're going to see that there's developers that are not putting in the work to make a better version for 1523 01:47:00,530 --> 01:47:01,401 Switch 2. 1524 01:47:01,401 --> 01:47:03,783 And you're going to see that difference. 1525 01:47:03,783 --> 01:47:07,946 You're going to see where the Steam deck comes out ahead by a bit. 1526 01:47:08,046 --> 01:47:10,269 But it's using more than double the power. 1527 01:47:10,269 --> 01:47:16,174 So, yes, it is better insofar as it uses more power. 1528 01:47:16,174 --> 01:47:20,117 But the reality is that Switch 2 is still very performant. 1529 01:47:20,261 --> 01:47:27,227 because it has such a really good wide GPU uh and the caches on it that it has. 1530 01:47:27,227 --> 01:47:29,609 It's a really good mobile platform. 1531 01:47:29,609 --> 01:47:32,292 uh I wouldn't talk down on the Switch 2. 1532 01:47:32,292 --> 01:47:34,573 It is going to be good and it's going to be great. 1533 01:47:35,334 --> 01:47:40,619 Initially, like if Steam Deck 2 comes out in 2026, game over. 1534 01:47:40,619 --> 01:47:43,101 Like, oh, that was fun, Switch 2. 1535 01:47:43,101 --> 01:47:45,502 You had your moment in the sun. 1536 01:47:45,503 --> 01:47:47,937 It's been a year, but let's move on. 1537 01:47:47,937 --> 01:47:50,390 and the targets are a little different too. 1538 01:47:50,390 --> 01:47:59,323 Nintendo tends, well, they're actually trying to move that, but Nintendo tends to family-oriented games. 1539 01:47:59,323 --> 01:48:04,782 Now they're kind of getting into the family plus adult games. 1540 01:48:04,782 --> 01:48:09,644 yeah, like I mean, the interesting thing, right, is like the Switch 2, the Joy-Cons can be used as a mouse. 1541 01:48:09,644 --> 01:48:17,969 uh And I learned today, at least, well, someone said it was confirmed, but you can plug in any mouse into a Switch 2 and the mouse will work. 1542 01:48:17,969 --> 01:48:21,871 So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1543 01:48:21,871 --> 01:48:23,282 Well, that's what I read. 1544 01:48:23,282 --> 01:48:26,381 Yeah, someone said, confirmed, you can plug any mouse into it. 1545 01:48:26,381 --> 01:48:27,495 And I was like, that's cool. 1546 01:48:27,495 --> 01:48:31,889 um So Switch 2 is becoming a bit more PC-like. 1547 01:48:31,889 --> 01:48:35,210 uh with that uh in there. 1548 01:48:35,210 --> 01:48:47,175 So obviously there's no keyboard yet that we're aware of that can be used, but it's not hard to imagine that uh there could be that case that comes up. 1549 01:48:47,896 --> 01:48:52,407 In any event, it's going to sell like crazy. 1550 01:48:52,407 --> 01:48:53,758 It's going to be a good system. 1551 01:48:53,758 --> 01:48:57,049 I'm personally going to get one. 1552 01:48:57,049 --> 01:48:57,900 I'm going to love it. 1553 01:48:57,900 --> 01:49:01,209 uh 1554 01:49:01,209 --> 01:49:08,736 As we get closer to these digital-only ecosystems, I don't see any of the closed ecosystems working. 1555 01:49:08,736 --> 01:49:15,221 Because why would you want to have digital versions of games that are locked behind someone's platform? 1556 01:49:15,221 --> 01:49:22,788 The only thing that makes any sense is if digital ownership is the only thing that we have going forward, you want to be on the most open platform as possible. 1557 01:49:22,788 --> 01:49:24,427 uh And that's 1558 01:49:24,427 --> 01:49:27,117 have a topic on that here in a little bit. 1559 01:49:27,395 --> 01:49:32,790 Yeah, I just think that it just makes the most sense and uh you can see everyone going digital, right? 1560 01:49:32,790 --> 01:49:37,263 Like it's a foregone conclusion, but that's a whole other canworms. 1561 01:49:37,302 --> 01:49:49,146 What really chaps my ass is that Nintendo has the game key system, Like, you buy it, you get the key, you put it in, you start the download of game, right? 1562 01:49:49,146 --> 01:49:50,267 That's one thing. 1563 01:49:50,267 --> 01:49:55,012 But it's another thing for games to still have codes in the boxes as well. 1564 01:49:55,614 --> 01:49:56,585 It's ridiculous. 1565 01:49:56,585 --> 01:49:58,169 Why have both? 1566 01:49:58,169 --> 01:50:07,196 Yeah, yeah, I don't you know, maybe it's gonna be growing pains the game key key card thing is interesting in so far as that you could resell it ah And then you know, there's 1567 01:50:07,196 --> 01:50:08,537 not the actual game on there. 1568 01:50:08,537 --> 01:50:11,699 The game key cards don't Potentially interest me at all. 1569 01:50:11,699 --> 01:50:19,145 I actually have a Nintendo switch collection and I will have a switch to collection But i'm only gonna buy non game key cards. 1570 01:50:19,145 --> 01:50:19,864 I there's no 1571 01:50:19,864 --> 01:50:20,965 makes sense. 1572 01:50:21,584 --> 01:50:32,765 what just really gets me is that Nintendo introduced this system that people hate, but then game developers are still going towards this even worse system of the code in the 1573 01:50:32,765 --> 01:50:33,717 box, of course. 1574 01:50:33,717 --> 01:50:35,248 all comes back to money, right? 1575 01:50:35,248 --> 01:50:37,360 I mean, like, it probably costs... 1576 01:50:37,360 --> 01:50:45,904 It's not free to do a game key card, but it's a lot less expensive to do uh a card in a box, you know? 1577 01:50:45,985 --> 01:50:47,866 So, I don't know. 1578 01:50:47,866 --> 01:50:53,459 Like, the money factor is always gonna be the biggest consideration with that. 1579 01:50:53,516 --> 01:50:54,048 Damn it. 1580 01:50:54,048 --> 01:51:02,113 be nice for certain titles, though, to be if they want to up the price, then do I know it's going to cost more to do two skews. 1581 01:51:02,113 --> 01:51:14,539 But if you're going to do maybe collector's editions and stuff like that, maybe really maybe just up the price, because I would personally I would rather pay an extra few like 1582 01:51:14,539 --> 01:51:21,843 five, 10 bucks and get the cards than, you know, game cards instead of just a redemption, a key. 1583 01:51:21,843 --> 01:51:23,408 um 1584 01:51:23,408 --> 01:51:24,129 for sure. 1585 01:51:24,129 --> 01:51:24,906 Yeah. 1586 01:51:24,906 --> 01:51:34,172 I think most people would so I think if they just sold it that way I think it would do better so I don't but then again this is the average gamer with Nintendo so maybe people 1587 01:51:34,172 --> 01:51:37,656 are just looking for the best game price but 1588 01:51:37,656 --> 01:51:39,539 average gamer to make a good decision. 1589 01:51:40,082 --> 01:51:41,717 No, but that's who you're going to sell to. 1590 01:51:41,717 --> 01:51:44,044 You're going to market to the average ah person. 1591 01:51:44,044 --> 01:51:46,088 Typically, you're going to make more money. 1592 01:51:47,156 --> 01:51:52,006 you can't trust the average gamer to make an informed decision, and that's why we need regulation. 1593 01:51:52,512 --> 01:52:04,082 Well, I mean, that's that's true with anything though, and that's why regulation exists because you can't trust any party that yeah, we that's a whole other deal. 1594 01:52:04,082 --> 01:52:14,562 But yeah, you can't trust uh this slice of the community or a party to maybe always have everyone else's um goodwill and insight. 1595 01:52:14,562 --> 01:52:15,032 So. 1596 01:52:15,032 --> 01:52:26,732 discussion about that whole thing that I you know, you could see Microsoft going there uh If Microsoft is ahead of the curve or they're just betting on this because you take a look 1597 01:52:26,732 --> 01:52:32,937 at what they've done uh You know a lot of people could say well Microsoft has given up their third party now. 1598 01:52:32,937 --> 01:52:39,123 They're putting their games on PlayStation they're putting the games on the switch and There's a part of that where? 1599 01:52:39,123 --> 01:52:42,129 uh There they have like this mobile 1600 01:52:42,129 --> 01:52:49,672 platform that's ready to go on iOS, but they're waiting for all the epic games and other stuff stuff to like die down before they can do that. 1601 01:52:49,672 --> 01:53:01,577 So there is this overarching idea that uh Microsoft is of the belief that there is coming regulation that says it doesn't matter if you're the platform holder, you have to allow 1602 01:53:01,577 --> 01:53:10,531 third party stores to exist on your platform, which would mean that Microsoft is trying to get ahead of that by just being open on everything. 1603 01:53:10,849 --> 01:53:21,947 is what they believe and that you know if you call it go so far as like beyond on Android and Apple okay that's on mobile and it kind of makes sense but then if some weird thing 1604 01:53:21,947 --> 01:53:32,164 this whole thing comes into PlayStation and Nintendo that's gonna open up a whole can of worms where how do you allow third-party stores on those platforms because they owned it 1605 01:53:32,164 --> 01:53:40,431 right and they're like say hey you just made new rules for us but there is this overarching idea that there's regulation coming uh 1606 01:53:40,431 --> 01:53:44,534 to stipulate, hey, you guys are all digital now. 1607 01:53:44,534 --> 01:53:46,145 You're not doing physical. 1608 01:53:46,145 --> 01:53:49,447 You're screwing everyone because you have this monopoly. 1609 01:53:49,447 --> 01:53:54,651 This is no longer, like when it was physical, you had Walmart selling it, Best Buy selling it, other people can resell it. 1610 01:53:54,651 --> 01:53:56,992 But now you guys own everything. 1611 01:53:56,992 --> 01:53:58,113 This is crazy. 1612 01:53:58,113 --> 01:54:05,678 You have to let people resell their digital games, and you have to let other third party stores exist. 1613 01:54:05,678 --> 01:54:08,790 And this is what is this overarching idea. 1614 01:54:08,790 --> 01:54:10,164 And it's like, 1615 01:54:10,164 --> 01:54:18,896 OK, so is if that is what Microsoft sees and then you also look at this like Microsoft rumor to be testing steam integration within the Microsoft store. 1616 01:54:18,896 --> 01:54:24,558 This is a part of that whole idea of Microsoft saying this regulation is coming. 1617 01:54:24,558 --> 01:54:25,548 We're going to get ahead of it. 1618 01:54:25,548 --> 01:54:28,839 We're going to abide by this regulation before it even exists. 1619 01:54:28,959 --> 01:54:38,841 And oh it's interesting to think about because then that's a not so bad digital future. 1620 01:54:39,043 --> 01:54:42,656 As opposed to like what we're like barreling towards right now. 1621 01:54:42,656 --> 01:54:50,602 uh So you know, maybe the thing that gets me about this started like segue into like what you got here. 1622 01:54:50,602 --> 01:54:53,024 uh Please also jump in at any given time. 1623 01:54:53,024 --> 01:54:58,148 I'll stop speaking, but uh the the idea of Microsoft. 1624 01:54:58,309 --> 01:55:01,061 Including Steam on an Xbox, right? 1625 01:55:01,061 --> 01:55:02,232 I can see. 1626 01:55:02,412 --> 01:55:06,305 On PC side, it makes it makes sense because it's already there, right? 1627 01:55:06,305 --> 01:55:08,389 They're not losing anything because people can already do it. 1628 01:55:08,389 --> 01:55:12,010 The only thing that they're going be doing is integrating it into a front end, right? 1629 01:55:12,010 --> 01:55:15,391 Like, so the Xbox PC side is going to have a front end for Steam integration. 1630 01:55:15,391 --> 01:55:16,301 That already makes sense. 1631 01:55:16,301 --> 01:55:19,062 And people aren't like, OK, no big deal, because that was already possible. 1632 01:55:19,062 --> 01:55:20,812 They're just making it convenient. 1633 01:55:20,993 --> 01:55:30,855 But there's also this thread somewhere that people are really believing that an Xbox Series S and an Xbox Series X will have Steam integration as well. 1634 01:55:30,855 --> 01:55:34,256 And that I can't buy for a few reasons. 1635 01:55:34,256 --> 01:55:37,025 I think AMD themselves would push back on that. 1636 01:55:37,025 --> 01:55:47,009 And again, if you're going to be selling custom hardware to people, you are doing so under the guise of, well, you're only doing this on your platform and it's not even a PC. 1637 01:55:47,009 --> 01:55:48,950 So it doesn't really compete with us. 1638 01:55:48,950 --> 01:55:56,353 Like AMD making Xbox chips and PlayStation chips, that doesn't compete with PC chips that AMD sells. 1639 01:55:56,353 --> 01:56:06,297 But if all of a sudden every Xbox Series S and Xbox Series X runs PC games, that means that now AMD is competing against chips that they had made for them years ago. 1640 01:56:06,297 --> 01:56:06,537 Right? 1641 01:56:06,537 --> 01:56:13,880 And it's like, man, you guys have super awesome gaming stuff and we've been doing super crazy CPU stuff and all of our GPUs suck in these things. 1642 01:56:13,880 --> 01:56:15,881 And that's what we've been selling to people. 1643 01:56:15,921 --> 01:56:18,622 So I see AMD pushing back on that. 1644 01:56:18,622 --> 01:56:30,427 And on the opposite side, if Xbox Series S or Xbox Series X had Steam integration, that means that they have to support 60,000 games that Steam has. 1645 01:56:30,427 --> 01:56:35,033 And if whatever driver and other stuff that they have running in there starts breaking, 1646 01:56:35,033 --> 01:56:39,298 Now they have this whole support thing that they have to take care of and that's a big goddamn problem. 1647 01:56:39,298 --> 01:56:46,910 So there's a few reasons and pushback that I see it not coming on the console side of things and the PC side is kind of like whatever. 1648 01:56:46,910 --> 01:56:48,148 It's like, OK, it's a front end. 1649 01:56:48,148 --> 01:56:53,023 uh So that's my mind on this particular thing and that's the only two cents that I really have to add on. 1650 01:56:53,772 --> 01:57:03,921 So here's my thing though, you say that AMD might not like it because then all of a sudden the Xbox hardware is competing with their own CPUs they sell. 1651 01:57:04,121 --> 01:57:08,505 But could that same logic not apply to pre-builds versus custom built? 1652 01:57:08,505 --> 01:57:15,501 Because like I'm sure AMD would see more money if you bought like a CPU directly from them instead of like a pre-built. 1653 01:57:15,501 --> 01:57:16,497 You know what saying? 1654 01:57:16,497 --> 01:57:21,437 So here's the deal, Like Microsoft sells, well, used to sell them for $500. 1655 01:57:21,437 --> 01:57:25,917 But even now that the new tariff version of them, they make no sense. 1656 01:57:25,917 --> 01:57:31,457 The Xbox Series X 2TB is like $730, which is just a stupid cost. 1657 01:57:31,457 --> 01:57:34,257 No one would buy that. 1658 01:57:34,257 --> 01:57:39,697 No one was buying many Xbox Series Xs before, and no one's going to buy them at $730. 1659 01:57:39,877 --> 01:57:43,579 But if all of a sudden that same system 1660 01:57:43,579 --> 01:57:49,101 can also play PC games from Steam directly, that's actually a pretty good gaming system. 1661 01:57:49,101 --> 01:57:52,753 And $700 is like, well, that's actually not too bad. 1662 01:57:52,753 --> 01:57:56,154 And now AMD is like, crap. 1663 01:57:56,454 --> 01:58:03,657 We can't sell you the latest stuff that we have because this thing is now not so expensive gaming uh pre-built. 1664 01:58:03,657 --> 01:58:13,265 That's where you have this nice living room ready thing that AMD has no real answer for, even when it has an inflated cost of $730. 1665 01:58:13,265 --> 01:58:16,825 At the before cost when it was like $500, forget it. 1666 01:58:16,825 --> 01:58:19,705 It's a hard thing for them to compete against. 1667 01:58:19,965 --> 01:58:22,956 Like the Series X is very performant. 1668 01:58:22,956 --> 01:58:32,727 Yeah, it would be very interesting to see if they integrate and if Steam and Valve want to partner up with Microsoft. 1669 01:58:32,727 --> 01:58:43,840 know Gabe Newell is one of the, isn't he a founder or at least oh some of the originals of Microsoft back in the day and then broke off with someone and created Valve. 1670 01:58:44,005 --> 01:58:46,001 he worked on the NT kernel. 1671 01:58:46,001 --> 01:58:48,056 Yeah. 1672 01:58:48,056 --> 01:58:56,623 I mean, like he they started on Steam OS because they were afraid of Windows 8 and Windows 8 like like removing them from being able to actually have a store. 1673 01:58:56,623 --> 01:59:03,247 So Steam OS like Proton and all that stuff kind of sprung about because of Microsoft and. 1674 01:59:04,989 --> 01:59:07,770 Yeah, but then since. 1675 01:59:08,151 --> 01:59:13,765 Yeah, but then as time has gone on, Microsoft has been like super cool with Valve. 1676 01:59:13,849 --> 01:59:17,980 And like putting their games day one on there and being better business partners. 1677 01:59:17,980 --> 01:59:22,222 And since then, like those whole things have kind of simmered down a whole bunch. 1678 01:59:22,222 --> 01:59:31,644 uh So I don't know where it is, but as long as like they remain good business partners, Valve, Gabe is fine coexisting. 1679 01:59:31,644 --> 01:59:33,455 I don't think there's anything wrong there. 1680 01:59:33,455 --> 01:59:39,953 But if you said the same thing during Windows 8 days, I don't think you'd find Gabe like no, go pound salts. 1681 01:59:39,953 --> 01:59:41,350 I just, I remember that. 1682 01:59:41,350 --> 01:59:44,148 It definitely seemed like they didn't want anything to do with it. 1683 01:59:44,148 --> 01:59:46,085 But I will say, if they can... 1684 01:59:46,085 --> 01:59:50,229 Gabe said that Windows 8 was a disaster for the entire PC space. 1685 01:59:50,350 --> 01:59:51,114 Yeah 1686 01:59:51,114 --> 01:59:55,717 so uh yeah, it's just the yeah, I don't know. 1687 01:59:55,717 --> 02:00:00,951 It's it's interesting to consider at the moment. 1688 02:00:00,951 --> 02:00:06,074 I basically consider this for the PC front end space and we already had. 1689 02:00:06,074 --> 02:00:08,716 We have tons of front ends that integrate a bunch of crap already. 1690 02:00:08,716 --> 02:00:16,842 So I mean hell Armory crate on the Acer Sargi ally is a front end that integrates game pass Steam epic. 1691 02:00:16,842 --> 02:00:19,283 It already does that now so. 1692 02:00:19,623 --> 02:00:20,720 Who cares, right? 1693 02:00:20,720 --> 02:00:22,501 Like you already have it. 1694 02:00:22,501 --> 02:00:23,230 Yeah. 1695 02:00:23,230 --> 02:00:34,010 if if Xbox because they are having trouble selling and competing against PlayStation and they're putting more and more of their games onto Steam and making that a better deal. 1696 02:00:34,010 --> 02:00:43,530 And I'm sure they're making you know, they own so many game companies that the more that they can cozy up with Steam, the better. 1697 02:00:43,530 --> 02:00:48,930 And if they can get Steam onto Xbox, and yes, they wouldn't have to be every game they could do a specialty. 1698 02:00:49,222 --> 02:01:02,057 filter or maybe even like an Xbox approved badge on it for certain games or at least games that they release could really like what you mentioned like that's a really good price for 1699 02:01:02,057 --> 02:01:12,469 a steam machine is getting an Xbox so they're in a world of if and it's really hard to get all these big companies to work together sometimes but in a world like that that could be 1700 02:01:12,469 --> 02:01:16,582 a huge deal and help compete against PlayStation again 1701 02:01:17,523 --> 02:01:19,815 Yes, I'm totally in agreement. 1702 02:01:19,815 --> 02:01:34,607 I think that like there are there is no doubt in my mind that there is millions of people that will only play on console because they got burned by PC somewhere in their life and 1703 02:01:34,607 --> 02:01:46,951 they just find PC to be this inscrutable Rubik that they can't solve and consoles have been this thing that they plop in like a toaster and it just runs and 1704 02:01:46,951 --> 02:01:48,212 gives them toast. 1705 02:01:48,212 --> 02:01:58,659 So if you were to say Xbox now plays PC games and you're like wait like is it still an Xbox and like oh I just use it like an Xbox but it plays PC games. 1706 02:01:58,759 --> 02:02:09,687 I see the value for a lot of people in that and then all of a sudden the value proposition for that goes like bananas like it becomes like that $730 price for the two terabyte model 1707 02:02:09,687 --> 02:02:12,318 right now is like stupid. 1708 02:02:12,318 --> 02:02:15,971 You'd be dumb to buy that but if it all suddenly started. 1709 02:02:15,971 --> 02:02:16,911 Xbox. 1710 02:02:16,911 --> 02:02:18,010 I would buy one. 1711 02:02:18,010 --> 02:02:25,576 I don't have the newer generation, but I'd probably buy one for my uh home entertainment system. 1712 02:02:25,617 --> 02:02:26,008 Yep. 1713 02:02:26,008 --> 02:02:30,648 exactly it like what I'm saying is like $730 right now for an Xbox. 1714 02:02:30,648 --> 02:02:32,028 You'd be like, oh no, that's dumb. 1715 02:02:32,028 --> 02:02:33,848 And it's like, oh, but it also plays Steam games. 1716 02:02:33,848 --> 02:02:36,188 They go come again. 1717 02:02:36,188 --> 02:02:37,788 Say once more, please. 1718 02:02:37,788 --> 02:02:38,588 Seven hundred and thirty. 1719 02:02:38,588 --> 02:02:38,948 That's it. 1720 02:02:38,948 --> 02:02:44,588 You say like it becomes a gigantically different value proposition. 1721 02:02:44,988 --> 02:02:46,288 Not, you know, RDNA to at 12. 1722 02:02:46,288 --> 02:02:50,188 Terror flop is monstrous for for what it gets done. 1723 02:02:50,848 --> 02:02:51,788 So. 1724 02:02:51,889 --> 02:02:58,741 Yeah, I mean it's it's super compelling, but again I see a lot of competing interests saying don't do that. 1725 02:02:58,741 --> 02:03:03,882 But then again, Microsoft has so much like. 1726 02:03:04,382 --> 02:03:12,875 Sway ah that maybe people don't really see, but like you look at MPUs right all the rise in AI 9 Max thing. 1727 02:03:12,875 --> 02:03:15,245 What do know that stupid name that it has right? 1728 02:03:15,405 --> 02:03:21,499 The the reason that it has AI is because it has an NPU on it and that NPU does nothing. 1729 02:03:21,499 --> 02:03:34,306 Like effectively it's inert, but there are wasting silicon space on those mobile APUs, so they're spending top dollar and top silicon for this wasted die at the current moment 1730 02:03:34,306 --> 02:03:38,083 because Microsoft was like, hey, we need this thing because we're doing copilot. 1731 02:03:38,083 --> 02:03:39,018 We're doing all this other stuff. 1732 02:03:39,018 --> 02:03:41,700 We need an MPU on all these processors. 1733 02:03:41,700 --> 02:03:46,713 Go put it on there and then Intel and AMD and even Qualcomm are like, yes, sir. 1734 02:03:46,713 --> 02:03:48,313 And they just did it. 1735 02:03:48,314 --> 02:03:51,219 And what sucks for me is like this is at the 1736 02:03:51,219 --> 02:03:57,059 of when everyone finally sees the light of how awesome PC gaming handles were. 1737 02:03:57,059 --> 02:04:00,639 Like I was back in 2016 just like, oh, this thing's awesome. 1738 02:04:00,759 --> 02:04:04,419 And now like, know, Steam that comes out and it's like, oh, this is pretty awesome. 1739 02:04:04,419 --> 02:04:09,979 And then at the same time AI happens and we don't get bigger GPUs and we don't get more bandwidth. 1740 02:04:09,979 --> 02:04:13,299 We get these hunks of MPU blocks that do nothing. 1741 02:04:13,959 --> 02:04:14,299 I don't know. 1742 02:04:14,299 --> 02:04:17,619 It's almost like it's a cursed situation that happened. 1743 02:04:17,799 --> 02:04:18,619 I've digressed again. 1744 02:04:18,619 --> 02:04:19,519 I apologize. 1745 02:04:19,519 --> 02:04:21,355 is me just venting out love. 1746 02:04:21,683 --> 02:04:23,281 no, no, no, that's what we like to hear, man. 1747 02:04:23,281 --> 02:04:25,901 We like to hear, let the hatred flow. 1748 02:04:26,695 --> 02:04:33,423 Speaking of that, unless you want to talk about some more stuff, Gardener, on this topic, we do have some hatred coming up. 1749 02:04:33,423 --> 02:04:37,063 I have one thing that I want to add to this. 1750 02:04:37,063 --> 02:04:52,903 I'm curious if Microsoft, if they do have Steam integrated into the Xbox platform, will they do kind of a switcheroo deal where you, or like a, not a switcheroo, like a Steam 1751 02:04:52,903 --> 02:05:00,479 play deal, where it's like you install Steam and you, if you have like any Microsoft games that... 1752 02:05:00,479 --> 02:05:01,870 are available on Steam. 1753 02:05:01,870 --> 02:05:04,622 If you own them on Steam, you can play the Xbox version. 1754 02:05:04,622 --> 02:05:17,331 ah I feel like that would be a very smart move for them to do because then, you know, they could have like, they could basically pop up, look at all the Microsoft games. 1755 02:05:17,331 --> 02:05:28,008 You know, if uh you get them for free and then all the PC games that aren't Microsoft that you have through Steam, they don't perform as well as the optimized Xbox versions. 1756 02:05:28,008 --> 02:05:29,719 And that would be like, 1757 02:05:29,837 --> 02:05:37,013 And they might not even call that out specifically, but just to kind of like be like, look, Xbox gaming is so much better than PC gaming. 1758 02:05:37,013 --> 02:05:39,427 I feel like that would be something Microsoft would do. 1759 02:05:39,427 --> 02:05:43,289 I mean that that is a honestly also a very compelling thing again. 1760 02:05:43,289 --> 02:05:46,611 We still don't have game pass proper on Steam Deck. 1761 02:05:46,611 --> 02:05:55,976 How many more people would subscribe to game pass on their Steam Deck if they could just like I'm going to get game pass, but I'm going to download the Steam versions of those 1762 02:05:55,976 --> 02:05:59,618 Microsoft games that I have like not for nothing. 1763 02:05:59,618 --> 02:06:01,049 You look at Starfield right? 1764 02:06:01,049 --> 02:06:06,194 Starfield is like we had a PC update that came out and said OK can I get on Xbox PC app? 1765 02:06:06,194 --> 02:06:08,862 They're like no no it's just on Steam is like. 1766 02:06:08,862 --> 02:06:12,074 But you guys own Bethesda and you own the PC app. 1767 02:06:12,074 --> 02:06:14,444 Like how does Steam get the update first? 1768 02:06:14,444 --> 02:06:16,028 And it's like, it's still going through validation. 1769 02:06:16,028 --> 02:06:17,689 Like what the hell are you guys doing? 1770 02:06:17,689 --> 02:06:21,302 Like why is Steam moving so much faster than you guys? 1771 02:06:21,302 --> 02:06:25,955 you could literally be in a position, like you're saying, Gardner, where you could have the best of both worlds. 1772 02:06:25,955 --> 02:06:27,346 You could have your cake and eat it too. 1773 02:06:27,346 --> 02:06:34,272 You're like, no, have the I have Microsoft games, but I get them through Steams layer, which is way faster and they iterate faster on. 1774 02:06:34,272 --> 02:06:38,394 uh So, yeah, that also is super compelling. 1775 02:06:38,707 --> 02:06:40,947 For me, I would love it. 1776 02:06:40,947 --> 02:06:42,107 I think everyone would love it. 1777 02:06:42,107 --> 02:06:47,947 I just find like there'd be a lot of competing big business interests that are like, oh, slow down. 1778 02:06:47,947 --> 02:06:50,379 You're gonna screw things over for us. 1779 02:06:50,496 --> 02:06:51,366 Exactly. 1780 02:06:51,366 --> 02:06:58,964 That's why I think they'll like they might even do a uh swap on like, hey, ah let's Xbox. 1781 02:06:58,964 --> 02:07:02,317 We're going to do our uh game pass on your on the Steam deck. 1782 02:07:02,317 --> 02:07:04,779 But in return, you need to be on Xbox. 1783 02:07:04,779 --> 02:07:05,349 They might do so. 1784 02:07:05,349 --> 02:07:09,493 Maybe they'll do some type of deal where, you know, it will benefit both of them. 1785 02:07:09,493 --> 02:07:09,973 But we'll see. 1786 02:07:09,973 --> 02:07:12,355 That takes a lot of for big companies. 1787 02:07:12,355 --> 02:07:13,426 That takes a lot. 1788 02:07:13,648 --> 02:07:14,209 right. 1789 02:07:14,209 --> 02:07:24,046 Yeah, mean, Valve obviously moves faster on whatever the bureaucracy engine that they have, like there's certainly a reason like, you know, Valve can be like, well, Game Pass 1790 02:07:24,046 --> 02:07:26,552 can be allowed, but you know, we're going to need 30%. 1791 02:07:26,552 --> 02:07:29,911 And it's like, on. 1792 02:07:29,911 --> 02:07:37,797 we, Game Pass is like, we have the revenue coming in from Game Pass and that is like already distributed to like these projects, right? 1793 02:07:37,797 --> 02:07:38,387 Like we. 1794 02:07:38,387 --> 02:07:46,426 We can't just shave 30 % away and just give it to you so that we can put it on Steam Deck, even though we know it would increase subscribers and people would love it. 1795 02:07:46,426 --> 02:07:48,647 We just can't afford that. 1796 02:07:48,647 --> 02:07:57,107 So, yeah, I'm sure in the scenario that, you know, whatever is getting cooked up, it's like a little, you know, I'll scratch your back, you scratch mine and we'll just let the 1797 02:07:57,107 --> 02:07:58,867 chips lie as they may. 1798 02:07:58,867 --> 02:08:07,267 So Game Pass can exist on Steam Deck, but people can buy Steam games on Xbox and Valve gets the money from people buying it on Xbox. 1799 02:08:07,267 --> 02:08:07,833 But 1800 02:08:07,833 --> 02:08:11,499 Microsoft gets game pass on Steam Deck without having to lose 30 percent, right? 1801 02:08:11,499 --> 02:08:14,893 Like there is that possible arrangement that could happen. 1802 02:08:15,576 --> 02:08:16,476 Yeah. 1803 02:08:17,538 --> 02:08:18,018 yeah. 1804 02:08:18,018 --> 02:08:22,134 if they if they want to try to sell more Steam decks and more Steam OS, they could help that too. 1805 02:08:22,134 --> 02:08:23,306 But we'll see. 1806 02:08:23,306 --> 02:08:26,780 I'm not Valve's an interesting company when it comes to that type of thing. 1807 02:08:27,399 --> 02:08:37,443 Yeah, I mean, I think there was like a Steam deck on Reddit thread where was like, uh Game Pass is like the one thing that they, like especially because Game Pass has just been 1808 02:08:37,443 --> 02:08:41,979 baller since November, Game Pass has just been banging on all cylinders, like every month. 1809 02:08:41,979 --> 02:08:52,960 They get Indiana Jones, Blueprints is on there, Doom Dark Ages, uh Clare Obscure, like there's like every month there's been two games that have been like, wow, I really wanna 1810 02:08:52,960 --> 02:08:53,670 play those games. 1811 02:08:53,670 --> 02:08:55,711 uh So I, 1812 02:08:55,943 --> 02:09:03,852 Perhaps through happenstance, they fell into this five-month baller period of just crazy goodness. 1813 02:09:03,852 --> 02:09:10,600 uh Oblivion, the Oblivion remake coming on, it was rumored for a while, but how that came out and that was awesome. 1814 02:09:10,600 --> 02:09:14,233 So there's just lots of cool stuff that they're doing. 1815 02:09:14,233 --> 02:09:16,646 Yeah, it'll be interesting. 1816 02:09:16,646 --> 02:09:17,847 It'll be interesting. 1817 02:09:18,675 --> 02:09:22,380 This is going to be the one episode where we're actually praising Xbox. 1818 02:09:22,380 --> 02:09:23,741 Sorry, Gartner. 1819 02:09:23,741 --> 02:09:27,456 uh 1820 02:09:27,456 --> 02:09:30,670 so much comments like we're like clearly anti Xbox. 1821 02:09:30,670 --> 02:09:32,552 It's not that we're anti Xbox. 1822 02:09:32,552 --> 02:09:34,854 It's we're anti stupid decisions. 1823 02:09:35,015 --> 02:09:36,131 Yeah, yeah. 1824 02:09:36,131 --> 02:09:42,511 Well, the thing is, for me, it's like the original Xbox and the 360 are two of my favorite consoles of all time. 1825 02:09:42,511 --> 02:09:48,751 So I'm critical of Microsoft for the way they have mishandled the Xbox One and the series. 1826 02:09:48,751 --> 02:09:51,791 And it's like, you know, people say it's hate. 1827 02:09:51,791 --> 02:09:56,451 No, dude, I actually genuinely like two Microsoft products as a Linux user. 1828 02:09:56,451 --> 02:10:00,131 You should be like congratulating me on that. 1829 02:10:00,156 --> 02:10:01,976 the 360. 1830 02:10:02,276 --> 02:10:05,896 I'm like the 360 is the last console generation that I loved. 1831 02:10:05,896 --> 02:10:09,016 I moved up PC full on in 2010. 1832 02:10:09,056 --> 02:10:14,396 So the tail end of the 360 generation when it started winding down anyway and Microsoft was on cruise control. 1833 02:10:15,136 --> 02:10:20,836 But the teams that made Xbox and the 360 were gone by 2010. 1834 02:10:20,836 --> 02:10:27,759 And then you just had suits that were there and they cared zero for 1835 02:10:27,759 --> 02:10:30,860 any social capital, any cool capital. 1836 02:10:30,860 --> 02:10:34,862 They only cared about actual dollar capital. 1837 02:10:34,962 --> 02:10:49,479 And I mean, how could how in the world could you imagine if you had Fortnite before Fortnite happened and you were just like, how about we just let that just spittle out? 1838 02:10:49,479 --> 02:10:50,869 Like, how do you do that? 1839 02:10:50,869 --> 02:10:55,235 How do you have something like Halo and get it to the point where it is today? 1840 02:10:55,235 --> 02:10:58,026 and it was just fantastic mismanagement. 1841 02:10:58,026 --> 02:11:01,155 The Halo TV series was just 1842 02:11:02,265 --> 02:11:04,750 I almost threw up a little when you said that. 1843 02:11:05,144 --> 02:11:06,159 remind me. 1844 02:11:06,159 --> 02:11:12,000 it I don't know how a company could possibly like mistreat an IP. 1845 02:11:12,000 --> 02:11:19,186 had Neil Blomkamp on the hook to do an actual good Halo and they just let him go. 1846 02:11:19,186 --> 02:11:23,389 They just mismanaged him to the point where he was like, screw this, I don't wanna do it. 1847 02:11:23,389 --> 02:11:28,172 Neil fucking Blomkamp, dude, like one of the greatest directors of our time. 1848 02:11:28,693 --> 02:11:29,493 Ugh. 1849 02:11:30,635 --> 02:11:31,084 Yeah. 1850 02:11:31,084 --> 02:11:40,118 the only good news is that the Fallout TV series, I mean, you people can rag on Todd Howard all they want, but, you know, thank goodness, Tom, you know, Todd Howard was like 1851 02:11:40,118 --> 02:11:42,629 there for Fallout to like just be like, no, no, no. 1852 02:11:42,629 --> 02:11:44,710 Yeah, the Fallout TV series, that's canon. 1853 02:11:44,710 --> 02:11:50,093 That whatever happens there, that's canon with the, know, have respect for whatever the hell you're doing. 1854 02:11:50,093 --> 02:11:53,164 And then the Halo TV series comes out, it's like, no, no, they're they're blue team. 1855 02:11:53,164 --> 02:11:56,051 This is like a this is just a multiverse. 1856 02:11:56,051 --> 02:12:00,514 It's like, are you telling me that the Halo TV series is essentially fan fiction? 1857 02:12:01,075 --> 02:12:05,338 why the hell do I, what do you, how could you possibly mistreat this? 1858 02:12:05,338 --> 02:12:08,801 Imagine making like Harry Potter movies that weren't based on the books. 1859 02:12:08,801 --> 02:12:12,311 And it's like, are you, are you all there? 1860 02:12:12,311 --> 02:12:14,485 Do you even know what you're saying? 1861 02:12:14,486 --> 02:12:16,357 It just bothers me to no end. 1862 02:12:16,367 --> 02:12:20,190 I think we can all agree, hashtag bring back Peter Moore. 1863 02:12:23,673 --> 02:12:24,674 Yeah. 1864 02:12:25,455 --> 02:12:28,891 Dude, he actually gave a shit about Xbox. 1865 02:12:28,891 --> 02:12:37,883 I as a CEO, yeah, like, mean, like, yeah, I mean, there once was Don Matric once they moved to Don Matric. 1866 02:12:37,883 --> 02:12:40,486 That's when they went full suit and. 1867 02:12:40,486 --> 02:12:41,257 uh 1868 02:12:41,257 --> 02:12:42,911 never really recovered, it? 1869 02:12:42,911 --> 02:12:44,403 Not from his, uh 1870 02:12:44,403 --> 02:12:49,980 No, mean Phil, you know Phil Spencer gets a lot of shit but 1871 02:12:49,980 --> 02:12:51,413 Yeah, perhaps it just took too long. 1872 02:12:51,413 --> 02:12:51,713 don't know. 1873 02:12:51,713 --> 02:12:57,062 They just like, you you can blame a bunch of stuff and you can blame a bunch of things, but I don't know. 1874 02:12:57,745 --> 02:12:58,685 I see. 1875 02:12:58,836 --> 02:13:03,143 Microsoft just needs to put me in charge of Xbox and I'll bring it back. 1876 02:13:03,364 --> 02:13:04,433 I'll bring it back. 1877 02:13:04,433 --> 02:13:06,678 Microsoft into a Linux company, dude. 1878 02:13:06,678 --> 02:13:09,379 Dude, they already love Linux, come on. 1879 02:13:11,961 --> 02:13:16,203 They made Windows a subsystem for Linux open source. 1880 02:13:16,323 --> 02:13:20,429 like they actually, I mean, I don't want to give them too much credit, but yeah. 1881 02:13:20,429 --> 02:13:20,800 Yeah 1882 02:13:20,800 --> 02:13:22,890 hell does that- what does that entail for us though? 1883 02:13:22,890 --> 02:13:25,962 I don't know what that would actually entail to be honest. 1884 02:13:26,116 --> 02:13:27,578 actually do contribute a lot. 1885 02:13:27,578 --> 02:13:30,101 They're one of the biggest contributors to open source. 1886 02:13:30,101 --> 02:13:31,080 It's wild. 1887 02:13:31,080 --> 02:13:42,566 So yeah, it's, there's a point where, I don't know, the only thing that I would wish, like I have a small stupid wish that I wish that they would do, and this is like one of those 1888 02:13:42,566 --> 02:13:51,601 things where it's, uh you invest in your cool capital, you invest in your social capital, you don't plan on it making any money. 1889 02:13:51,601 --> 02:14:00,969 And it's just like, we bought Activision, we have Bethesda, we have all these old IPs, we have Blizzard IPs, like let's make a new rock and roll racing. 1890 02:14:00,969 --> 02:14:02,520 Let's make a new Space Quest. 1891 02:14:02,520 --> 02:14:11,045 Like, I'm not even talking about making like, you know, I'm talking about making Rock and Roll Racing 2 as if it was still on Super Nintendo. 1892 02:14:11,045 --> 02:14:15,887 I'm talking about making a new Space Quest if it was still on a 1993 PC. 1893 02:14:15,887 --> 02:14:22,091 have the same, give a $1 million, give a $2 million budget, which is nothing to them. 1894 02:14:22,091 --> 02:14:23,992 It's a rounding error. 1895 02:14:24,112 --> 02:14:25,873 And just make it. 1896 02:14:25,873 --> 02:14:27,996 Who cares if it doesn't do anything? 1897 02:14:27,996 --> 02:14:37,143 Just have, you have Game Pass, have one cool thing every month, nonstop, just to build up your social capital because you squandered it. 1898 02:14:38,457 --> 02:14:39,269 Yep. 1899 02:14:39,642 --> 02:14:42,224 Yeah. 1900 02:14:42,224 --> 02:14:49,689 Speaking of squandered, let's let's get into the next topic because we're running out of time, guys. 1901 02:14:49,689 --> 02:14:51,006 We got to get through this. 1902 02:14:51,006 --> 02:14:52,446 can go all day. 1903 02:14:52,446 --> 02:14:53,616 We can go to three hours if we want. 1904 02:14:53,616 --> 02:14:57,262 I have a bedtime that I have to get to at some point. 1905 02:14:57,402 --> 02:15:05,220 I've been sick all week and so I'm like, yeah, my sinus headache is not liking it. 1906 02:15:05,220 --> 02:15:06,111 Okay. 1907 02:15:07,273 --> 02:15:07,693 So. 1908 02:15:07,693 --> 02:15:08,545 uh 1909 02:15:08,545 --> 02:15:10,266 We talked about this last week, yes. 1910 02:15:10,266 --> 02:15:12,788 uh So yeah, the Fox wasn't here. 1911 02:15:12,788 --> 02:15:17,618 So last week we talked about Fortnite's like AI Darth Vader. 1912 02:15:17,618 --> 02:15:18,866 Have you heard about it, Fox? 1913 02:15:18,866 --> 02:15:21,771 I have, yeah, they're using James Oldron's voice. 1914 02:15:21,771 --> 02:15:34,770 Yeah, so SAG-AFRA is fighting back against Fortnite, claiming unfair labor practices because, know, Gardner mentioned this, I forget which one you two mentioned it, uh 1915 02:15:34,770 --> 02:15:47,359 mentioned that this essentially robs a possible opportunity for like a Darth Vader replacement voice because now all of a sudden no one's ever gonna voice Darth Vader ever 1916 02:15:47,359 --> 02:15:47,600 again. 1917 02:15:47,600 --> 02:15:49,931 He's gonna be entirely AI from here on out. 1918 02:15:50,352 --> 02:15:59,307 Right, yeah, they're just going to source uh a bunch of the stuff that he has said and just give that as the model and say, say these lines. 1919 02:15:59,307 --> 02:16:00,078 And it does. 1920 02:16:00,078 --> 02:16:01,140 uh Yeah. 1921 02:16:01,140 --> 02:16:02,413 um 1922 02:16:02,413 --> 02:16:05,255 uh I'm of two minds on this. 1923 02:16:05,255 --> 02:16:24,235 uh I agree with where they're coming from in so far as there is a fundamental problem that AI and companies using AI must eventually face is that it needs to have some idea of what 1924 02:16:24,235 --> 02:16:25,666 it is using. 1925 02:16:25,966 --> 02:16:31,309 It can't just use it and not have any idea of what it's using and it needs to know like, OK, I'm borrowing some of this. 1926 02:16:31,309 --> 02:16:32,669 I'm borrowing some of that. 1927 02:16:32,669 --> 02:16:39,111 if, you know, like remember when Studio Ghibli stuff was just getting spit out images like nonsense, like from OpenAI. 1928 02:16:39,151 --> 02:16:43,913 Like it's like make a Studio Ghibli thing and it's like, okay, five cents go to Studio Ghibli. 1929 02:16:43,913 --> 02:16:51,055 Like it has to have some thing inside of it where royalties are automatically divvied out. 1930 02:16:51,055 --> 02:16:59,981 There needs to be some regulation structure that AI has to have, you know, know what it's using and then. 1931 02:16:59,981 --> 02:17:11,551 pay accordingly to whatever because you can't just because it's a zero sum game eventually when you just kind of get get all this done down and then you just have this AI model uh 1932 02:17:11,551 --> 02:17:23,710 doing stuff on the other hand uh I don't I don't like so like one thing that I plan on doing myself I don't know when but it's gonna be like one like stupid passion project that 1933 02:17:23,710 --> 02:17:29,453 I have I don't like the new voices of Rick and Morty and I would rather AI them back to the 1934 02:17:29,453 --> 02:17:41,527 uh Rick and Morty voices that but I'm gonna do that for myself right like I like the idea of Having something that sounds authentic because I can hear if you found someone that was 1935 02:17:41,527 --> 02:17:50,189 like spot-on Darth Vader then cool There's totally people that I know that you can do that with but the people that they found for Rick and Morty were not are clearly not Rick and 1936 02:17:50,189 --> 02:17:56,778 Morty and it it it bothers my ear when I hear it it's like it brings me out it like 1937 02:17:56,778 --> 02:18:06,070 I can't get invested in what I'm watching because my brain is constantly being pulled out of what I'm engaging with. 1938 02:18:06,070 --> 02:18:07,781 Whatever, no big deal, right? 1939 02:18:07,781 --> 02:18:15,983 And those people are still getting paid, so I just want to choose myself to alter it, and not what these guys are doing. 1940 02:18:15,983 --> 02:18:17,823 So that's where I am in my head. 1941 02:18:17,823 --> 02:18:22,444 I love the idea of personally being able to do that. 1942 02:18:23,124 --> 02:18:26,645 It's less cool when they're able to just wholesale do it with 1943 02:18:26,945 --> 02:18:32,139 without any, feeding back in to the system that fed it. 1944 02:18:34,088 --> 02:18:43,308 So here's the thing though, so we all know that James Earl Jones signed legally in 2022. 1945 02:18:43,448 --> 02:18:52,008 Do you think he could have predicted that Fortnite would just like put his voice wholesale in there and just let people do whatever they want? 1946 02:18:52,008 --> 02:18:54,088 Like have him say like slurs and shit? 1947 02:18:54,088 --> 02:18:55,808 Cause that definitely did happen. 1948 02:18:56,269 --> 02:19:00,249 uh I don't know that anyone... 1949 02:19:00,249 --> 02:19:10,460 I think that everyone anticipated AI to first do all of the manual labor that no one wanted to do and not all the creative cool stuff that everyone wanted to do. 1950 02:19:10,981 --> 02:19:13,452 Like no one saw that coming. 1951 02:19:13,452 --> 02:19:17,845 No one's like, oh it makes the stuff I wanted to do in my spare time. 1952 02:19:18,646 --> 02:19:20,868 It doesn't do the stuff that I do for work. 1953 02:19:21,644 --> 02:19:30,712 I think he wanted his voice to continue on, right, within the movies and other art, but yeah, I don't even think he knew what Fortnite was, so probably not. 1954 02:19:31,219 --> 02:19:33,020 it's like what's his name, Roger Ebert, right? 1955 02:19:33,020 --> 02:19:39,285 He, uh he'd like that of lot of voice stuff so that his voice could still be used to do stuff in the future as well. 1956 02:19:39,285 --> 02:19:42,047 uh Yeah, possibly maybe, I don't know. 1957 02:19:42,047 --> 02:19:56,947 uh Regardless of whichever way you slice this apple, the reality comes down to that uh you can't just feed a model wholesale all this stuff and then crap out. 1958 02:19:57,069 --> 02:20:08,509 whatever you want in the style of whatever you want and not have that person be even like credited, right? 1959 02:20:08,509 --> 02:20:11,869 mean, just like, goodness gracious, like even if it was like for personal use, right? 1960 02:20:11,869 --> 02:20:17,969 Like as like a, a funzy thing, they're like, okay, well, whatever, this person's not gonna sell it for commercial reasons. 1961 02:20:17,969 --> 02:20:21,729 But like, you know, there's like D and D artists that I really like. 1962 02:20:21,729 --> 02:20:24,543 And that when AI stuff was first coming out, I'm like, dude, in this style. 1963 02:20:24,543 --> 02:20:26,054 And it would do a reasonably good job. 1964 02:20:26,054 --> 02:20:27,556 And I was like, wow, that's amazing. 1965 02:20:27,556 --> 02:20:37,764 And then, you have I respect artists and I have my my avatar that I use to this day is from an 8-bit artist that I commissioned to get done. 1966 02:20:37,764 --> 02:20:43,158 And, you know, I I want artists to be paid accordingly. 1967 02:20:43,158 --> 02:20:49,593 So uh initially, when it first came out, there was no taste to A.I. 1968 02:20:49,593 --> 02:20:51,215 There was zero taste to A.I. 1969 02:20:51,215 --> 02:20:54,597 But it feels like we're on the cusp of that. 1970 02:20:54,733 --> 02:20:55,795 kind of going away. 1971 02:20:55,795 --> 02:21:04,034 uh Give it a few years because it's been alarmingly fast how good the whole generation process has been. 1972 02:21:04,034 --> 02:21:05,608 uh 1973 02:21:05,608 --> 02:21:10,528 It's, think end of year for a lot of support roles. 1974 02:21:10,528 --> 02:21:24,028 They might not replace a lot of main, like, I use a lot of AI tools to help support some of the stuff I do, partially because I'm just tired of writing boilerplate stuff. 1975 02:21:24,568 --> 02:21:26,688 Does a really good job, if you know what you're doing. 1976 02:21:26,788 --> 02:21:31,368 Like someone that doesn't know AI and writes code is gonna write shit. 1977 02:21:31,448 --> 02:21:34,108 But if they know what to do, 1978 02:21:34,940 --> 02:21:35,323 Right. 1979 02:21:35,323 --> 02:21:38,188 a completely different thing. 1980 02:21:38,188 --> 02:21:44,128 atomic operations are things that, small atomic operations are things that AI can reasonably do well. 1981 02:21:44,128 --> 02:21:53,148 And then when you start having it, know, it's, well, some of the, I never, I would like use some of it and it was just like, well, you just erased most of the code. 1982 02:21:53,348 --> 02:21:54,808 Like, I just broke everything. 1983 02:21:54,808 --> 02:21:56,728 What the hell did you do? 1984 02:21:57,528 --> 02:22:04,708 If you like, if you just, yeah, so you really got to like, you know, have. 1985 02:22:05,494 --> 02:22:08,276 And there's so many like, you know, vibe coders. 1986 02:22:09,598 --> 02:22:11,132 Like, they've done some like... 1987 02:22:11,132 --> 02:22:16,104 joke about every week right now is I'm in my villain phase. 1988 02:22:16,104 --> 02:22:23,037 I'm vibe coding, but I know what I'm doing. 1989 02:22:23,037 --> 02:22:26,118 I know the code I'm writing and I haven't fixed it. 1990 02:22:26,759 --> 02:22:36,953 I've done semi-project management roles and so I know what I'm doing, but it's still funny to see people that don't get onto Reddit and like... 1991 02:22:37,844 --> 02:22:46,939 this thing's happening or there's more and more attacks happening, like sites getting taken over because they don't know how to write secure code. 1992 02:22:46,939 --> 02:22:48,160 It's interesting. 1993 02:22:48,602 --> 02:22:49,783 It's interesting. 1994 02:22:50,778 --> 02:22:59,028 if you had one AI write the code and then separate AI correct that code and then you had the first AI correct that code? 1995 02:22:59,028 --> 02:23:00,429 I wonder what would happen. 1996 02:23:00,610 --> 02:23:02,031 Code Singularity. 1997 02:23:02,185 --> 02:23:03,586 actually writing some of that right now. 1998 02:23:03,586 --> 02:23:04,967 It's kind of interesting. 1999 02:23:04,967 --> 02:23:13,286 ah Because if you give it good contacts and good prompts, you can end up with an interesting ah end result. 2000 02:23:13,286 --> 02:23:20,049 But the problem is, I still don't think we're at the place where you can't have a human review of the stuff that it does, whether it be artwork or code. 2001 02:23:20,049 --> 02:23:22,561 you did this as a person that didn't know how to code? 2002 02:23:23,207 --> 02:23:24,581 I would be su- 2003 02:23:24,581 --> 02:23:35,488 yeah, you see, you really have to be careful because if it loses track of wherever the hell it was and just starts hallucinating new stuff, it really needs to have previous 2004 02:23:35,488 --> 02:23:41,621 context of what was going on as your, especially the code base as it uh is. 2005 02:23:41,621 --> 02:23:48,275 really, really short, small atomic things are things that it'll just bust out fairly well. 2006 02:23:48,275 --> 02:23:49,449 uh 2007 02:23:49,449 --> 02:23:59,687 tip is you have a project MD file in your whatever you're doing and you have it read from it and record to it what it did in short little things. 2008 02:23:59,687 --> 02:24:03,970 And it does a really good job, but it can still hallucinate. 2009 02:24:03,970 --> 02:24:07,652 It can still get off at times. 2010 02:24:07,772 --> 02:24:09,604 Not as much now, but it still can. 2011 02:24:09,604 --> 02:24:11,643 So it's not autonomous. 2012 02:24:11,643 --> 02:24:25,445 that's what I mean is you like you can't allow anyone that is not aware of what's happening uh or have any insight into how things work using this uh at all. 2013 02:24:25,445 --> 02:24:32,571 And especially in production environments, uh this is I would like it's like a full stop. 2014 02:24:32,571 --> 02:24:33,372 Do not enter. 2015 02:24:33,372 --> 02:24:34,812 Do not like. 2016 02:24:35,293 --> 02:24:37,915 But like when you go for like other things, small things. 2017 02:24:37,915 --> 02:24:39,076 uh 2018 02:24:39,240 --> 02:24:42,863 And these are just plain text that you just want to enter in. 2019 02:24:42,863 --> 02:24:43,924 It's fine. 2020 02:24:43,924 --> 02:24:53,611 uh But I still ultimately think that we have to go into a regulation phase for. 2021 02:24:53,611 --> 02:24:55,123 uh 2022 02:24:55,123 --> 02:24:56,083 it'll happen at some point. 2023 02:24:56,083 --> 02:25:01,813 mean, we've already seen some legislation in regards to AI and AI-generated sexual imagery. 2024 02:25:01,813 --> 02:25:03,193 We've seen that. 2025 02:25:03,795 --> 02:25:12,803 That's probably the biggest uh regulation that's happened so far, and I think there's more to come. 2026 02:25:12,803 --> 02:25:15,323 I think both parties wanted it though. 2027 02:25:15,323 --> 02:25:16,843 Like that's a very rare. 2028 02:25:16,863 --> 02:25:19,443 Trump is pushing this huge AI thing. 2029 02:25:19,443 --> 02:25:25,043 He has a lot of donors, a lot of people that are in the AI sphere that don't want regulations. 2030 02:25:25,043 --> 02:25:38,483 There is no way we're getting regulations on AI until we have a essentially government like in the like who's running the government because it's just not going to happen. 2031 02:25:38,483 --> 02:25:41,233 I don't think it's going to happen to where 2032 02:25:41,233 --> 02:25:51,628 The regulation is gonna have to be something, if your company is replacing workers and not hiring more and your profit's still high, you're gonna have to be taxed on an AI 2033 02:25:52,869 --> 02:25:59,593 percentage of what is being replaced or some type of profitability that you're gonna have to or else we're just doomed. 2034 02:26:00,093 --> 02:26:02,935 yeah, soapbox, I'm off my soapbox. 2035 02:26:03,739 --> 02:26:04,441 It's all good, man. 2036 02:26:04,441 --> 02:26:07,472 Soapboxes are what this podcast is all about. 2037 02:26:07,472 --> 02:26:09,425 uh 2038 02:26:09,425 --> 02:26:22,474 you thought that we weren't gonna mention anything about for anything but yeah, Anything else you guys want to mention on this AI thing like uh I did we even get to the main part 2039 02:26:22,474 --> 02:26:24,637 of it sag sag after 2040 02:26:24,637 --> 02:26:25,378 I mean, not really. 2041 02:26:25,378 --> 02:26:31,226 They didn't really do anything besides condemn Epic Games for doing this. 2042 02:26:31,226 --> 02:26:32,307 At least not yet, at least. 2043 02:26:32,307 --> 02:26:34,689 There's a good chance that maybe they'll take action. 2044 02:26:35,051 --> 02:26:36,191 Who knows. 2045 02:26:36,613 --> 02:26:39,256 But they have been going at it. 2046 02:26:39,256 --> 02:26:40,268 Yeah, I mean... 2047 02:26:40,268 --> 02:26:43,056 and they're very concerned with it, which makes sense. 2048 02:26:43,675 --> 02:26:44,945 I can see why. 2049 02:26:44,945 --> 02:26:55,507 The problem is that voice actors don't really get as much uh love from SAG-AFRAS like actual act like normal typical like in-person actors do which is unfortunate. 2050 02:26:55,507 --> 02:27:05,791 True, but sometimes the actors, the regular or like in-person actors or uh in real life actors, whatever, they do speak up for them sometimes. 2051 02:27:05,791 --> 02:27:11,303 like, yeah, hopefully, I don't know, it will be interesting to see where it all goes. 2052 02:27:11,303 --> 02:27:15,236 um For historical reasons, sorry. 2053 02:27:15,236 --> 02:27:17,461 yeah I mean no go ahead you go ahead 2054 02:27:17,858 --> 02:27:20,806 No, I was going to transition to the next topic. 2055 02:27:20,806 --> 02:27:26,562 if there's, okay, then do it transition. 2056 02:27:26,562 --> 02:27:34,342 way and just steal and plagiarize work instead of the old-fashioned way, not using AI. 2057 02:27:34,362 --> 02:27:37,662 So have you heard about the marathon situation, Carrie? 2058 02:27:38,120 --> 02:27:39,353 Uh, I have. 2059 02:27:40,268 --> 02:27:44,722 Yeah, so it looks like, so there's been an update. 2060 02:27:44,983 --> 02:27:48,746 Morale at Modern Bungie is at an all-time low. 2061 02:27:48,847 --> 02:27:56,816 Player feedback was not great with the gameplay itself, because, I mean, who wants to play a game where you lose everything? 2062 02:27:56,816 --> 02:28:00,522 You'd have to be a sadist to play something like Tarkov. 2063 02:28:00,522 --> 02:28:01,954 But at the same time, though... 2064 02:28:01,954 --> 02:28:08,726 is it where you lose everything in the game itself or because their servers only ran for a certain amount of time and then it's because they had reset it? 2065 02:28:09,174 --> 02:28:18,274 Well no, it's an extraction shooter so you get gear and if you make it out alive then you keep it. 2066 02:28:18,274 --> 02:28:27,394 But if you bring that gear in next time and you use it up or guess die, you lose that gear forever. 2067 02:28:28,256 --> 02:28:30,166 So it is like Tarkov kind of thing. 2068 02:28:30,166 --> 02:28:30,789 Okay. 2069 02:28:30,789 --> 02:28:35,513 Cause I know there's some extraction stuff where, well, maybe it's all based on that. 2070 02:28:35,513 --> 02:28:36,034 Yeah. 2071 02:28:36,034 --> 02:28:36,511 I mean. 2072 02:28:36,511 --> 02:28:39,013 also does like resets every season as well. 2073 02:28:39,013 --> 02:28:40,554 I haven't played the game yet. 2074 02:28:40,554 --> 02:28:42,415 It does seem pretty cool. 2075 02:28:42,415 --> 02:28:45,217 do like extraction shooters. 2076 02:28:45,217 --> 02:28:46,934 Or at I would like to like extraction shooters. 2077 02:28:46,934 --> 02:28:50,741 I haven't tried out any because honestly Tarkov has a lot of... 2078 02:28:51,230 --> 02:28:51,658 Oh? 2079 02:28:51,658 --> 02:28:53,600 is a better one, I think, than Turkov. 2080 02:28:53,600 --> 02:28:54,862 Hunt Showdown is pretty good. 2081 02:28:54,862 --> 02:28:57,817 I like that one a lot, but it does suck to lose all your stuff. 2082 02:28:57,817 --> 02:29:00,152 Yeah, but like, you know what feels even better? 2083 02:29:00,152 --> 02:29:01,946 Making other people lose all their stuff. 2084 02:29:01,946 --> 02:29:04,491 You can tell I'm a troll. 2085 02:29:04,572 --> 02:29:05,304 I'm a greaper. 2086 02:29:05,304 --> 02:29:09,241 I've played too much Dark Souls. 2087 02:29:09,827 --> 02:29:21,985 yeah you probably would like something like this then so okay marathon is confirmed it's it's a high tech game okay from the stolen artwork to briefing 2088 02:29:22,123 --> 02:29:22,918 So for me 2089 02:29:22,918 --> 02:29:25,518 play Dark Souls, Dark Souls 1. 2090 02:29:26,478 --> 02:29:29,618 I love invading people in Dark Souls, it's awesome. 2091 02:29:30,178 --> 02:29:31,998 Basically, yeah. 2092 02:29:31,998 --> 02:29:36,238 So basically in Dark Souls 1, you can choose to invade other players. 2093 02:29:37,138 --> 02:29:44,957 And you can actually stop their forward momentum in the game by ambushing them. 2094 02:29:44,957 --> 02:29:47,923 You probably would have loved to ultimate online in the 90s. 2095 02:29:47,940 --> 02:29:49,251 my gosh. 2096 02:29:49,591 --> 02:29:51,613 Yeah, you probably would have. 2097 02:29:51,683 --> 02:29:52,855 my gosh. 2098 02:29:52,855 --> 02:29:54,456 That was so bad. 2099 02:29:56,510 --> 02:29:57,639 No, it's not. 2100 02:29:57,639 --> 02:29:59,480 No, it's not. 2101 02:30:00,061 --> 02:30:00,757 I didn't like it. 2102 02:30:00,757 --> 02:30:01,754 low level. 2103 02:30:01,972 --> 02:30:04,974 Dude, it's not about winning, it's about making other people lose. 2104 02:30:05,349 --> 02:30:06,020 Ha 2105 02:30:07,154 --> 02:30:07,619 Ha 2106 02:30:07,619 --> 02:30:09,163 gosh. 2107 02:30:09,163 --> 02:30:10,655 Yeah, you need to go play Tarkov. 2108 02:30:10,655 --> 02:30:13,895 I've saw Little Shop of Horrors when I was a kid. 2109 02:30:13,895 --> 02:30:15,575 I saw it in the movie theater. 2110 02:30:16,455 --> 02:30:20,635 And I did not realize I had no context to understand. 2111 02:30:20,635 --> 02:30:22,475 You guys ever watched Little Shop of Horrors? 2112 02:30:22,515 --> 02:30:23,615 Martin? 2113 02:30:24,335 --> 02:30:28,935 All right, so Steve Martin, Bill Murray's in it for a short moment. 2114 02:30:29,235 --> 02:30:30,395 Rick Moranis. 2115 02:30:30,395 --> 02:30:30,955 It's a great movie. 2116 02:30:30,955 --> 02:30:31,535 You should watch it. 2117 02:30:31,535 --> 02:30:33,535 It's kind of weird, but it's awesome. 2118 02:30:33,875 --> 02:30:38,055 Anyway, there's a scene where Steve Martin is a sadist and he's a dentist. 2119 02:30:38,315 --> 02:30:39,171 So. 2120 02:30:39,171 --> 02:30:47,124 It's a great job to have because you know they're strapped down and they're getting drilled and he's enjoying it He's enjoying it because they have to take it and they're 2121 02:30:47,124 --> 02:30:59,029 paying him money, so he's loving it Bill Murray comes in and he's a masochist ah and he goes there and he loves it because he's getting pain and the sadist hates it because He's 2122 02:30:59,029 --> 02:31:09,043 the masochist is enjoying it and I didn't realize that when I was a kid I was like what the hell is going on and only until I became later on in my life, and I was like oh 2123 02:31:09,152 --> 02:31:09,799 You 2124 02:31:09,799 --> 02:31:19,107 are sadists that makes sense and that all of this didn't come into my head Speaking of you being a sadist, know, just griefing people in Dark Souls. 2125 02:31:19,107 --> 02:31:31,407 I was getting a uh root canal done of Ruka I was getting I was getting a wisdom tooth removed and The guy put Novak in in my my mouth waited like a minute and then started 2126 02:31:31,407 --> 02:31:35,030 going to work and I was like, I feel that and He went like this. 2127 02:31:35,030 --> 02:31:38,523 not even joking uh like 2128 02:31:38,523 --> 02:31:53,403 What the hell dude like and when he went it was like Little Shop of Horrors is like I was like oh dentists are sadists this all makes sense now he hated Bill Murray because Bill 2129 02:31:53,403 --> 02:32:02,600 Murray was enjoying that oh so it's like all of it came rushing back to me anyway you should go watch Little Shop of Horrors you probably hate it because you're a sadist 2130 02:32:02,600 --> 02:32:03,441 will. 2131 02:32:05,298 --> 02:32:06,126 Love. 2132 02:32:06,126 --> 02:32:07,539 though, it's pretty good 2133 02:32:07,708 --> 02:32:09,999 Yeah, it's really good. 2134 02:32:10,198 --> 02:32:21,158 Yeah, but uh anyways modern bungee, you know, we were talking about how halo Like fell hard under the stewardship of Microsoft but to be honest it would probably have felt it 2135 02:32:21,158 --> 02:32:25,793 probably would have fallen anyways under the stewardship of modern bungee because I mean 2136 02:32:25,793 --> 02:32:26,699 of sadists... 2137 02:32:26,699 --> 02:32:27,745 Hahaha! 2138 02:32:28,246 --> 02:32:32,646 This, unfortunately, I take no pleasure in because I actually kind of like Destiny. 2139 02:32:32,646 --> 02:32:34,626 I do play a lot of Destiny. 2140 02:32:34,853 --> 02:32:38,649 So Destiny just felt like Halo to me in a different world. 2141 02:32:38,649 --> 02:32:41,933 all the physics and gunplay in it were Halo-esque. 2142 02:32:41,933 --> 02:32:43,434 uh 2143 02:32:43,434 --> 02:32:47,394 it's based on their internal engine. 2144 02:32:47,394 --> 02:32:48,954 Tiger Engine, I believe it was. 2145 02:32:49,614 --> 02:32:56,254 But with certain modifications, like the ability to use other weapons with stats and perks and all that shit. 2146 02:32:56,374 --> 02:33:00,494 don't know, but Bungie isn't doing so hot. 2147 02:33:00,494 --> 02:33:09,994 Morale is at an all-time low because, like I said before, not great impressions with the gameplay. 2148 02:33:10,358 --> 02:33:12,158 And, you the art theft. 2149 02:33:12,158 --> 02:33:18,998 Like, you know, like, you know, art raiders came out the alpha, also came around the same time, and it was much better received. 2150 02:33:20,358 --> 02:33:27,498 And because of that, and also the plagiarism accusations, they started calling marathon art raiders. 2151 02:33:28,558 --> 02:33:29,238 Dude. 2152 02:33:29,898 --> 02:33:33,658 Dude, it's kind of fucked up if you really think about it, but it's really funny. 2153 02:33:34,772 --> 02:33:50,024 Yeah, I mean, it's back to that, you know, we mentioned Shephadesius, uh you know, if at what point does the studio, like, are the original team members that made Bungie Bungie 2154 02:33:50,024 --> 02:33:52,066 still there and in force? 2155 02:33:52,066 --> 02:33:53,427 Are they still present? 2156 02:33:53,427 --> 02:33:57,510 And, you know, there's lots of companies like that, like, you know, there's like InXile. 2157 02:33:57,510 --> 02:33:59,052 Yeah, so it's... 2158 02:33:59,052 --> 02:34:00,052 uh 2159 02:34:00,284 --> 02:34:06,944 You kind of have these studios that have done all these things, but none of the people that made it what it was are really there. 2160 02:34:07,404 --> 02:34:12,884 And yeah, we're you know, we're there's things that are getting lost and. 2161 02:34:13,164 --> 02:34:19,464 I don't know, you know, it's all in the value of like again, they don't value the social capital. 2162 02:34:19,464 --> 02:34:21,724 They don't value anything. 2163 02:34:22,304 --> 02:34:22,964 It's. 2164 02:34:22,964 --> 02:34:29,803 Complete tangent, but it's like if we're talking to regulations before private equity firms should be regulated against. 2165 02:34:29,803 --> 02:34:33,665 It is a monopoly in all sense of names. 2166 02:34:33,665 --> 02:34:36,966 It's like one step removed from being a monopoly. 2167 02:34:36,966 --> 02:34:42,688 It's like the dumb thing that they do in Japan with like pachinko parlors where it's like, no, no, no, they're not gambling. 2168 02:34:42,688 --> 02:34:44,509 They're just they they bought the balls. 2169 02:34:44,509 --> 02:34:52,432 It's like, yeah, but they take those balls and they walk five steps outside and go into a parlor and then they cash out those balls and like, yeah, well, that's something that's 2170 02:34:52,432 --> 02:34:53,113 another store. 2171 02:34:53,113 --> 02:34:55,784 They buy those balls like they're the same place. 2172 02:34:55,784 --> 02:34:59,095 They're just you're just one step removed. 2173 02:34:59,283 --> 02:35:06,177 And the private equity firms to me, man, are like the absolute worst of where we are right now. 2174 02:35:06,177 --> 02:35:17,113 And then they just buy up all this stuff, condense down, uh get people to like work like crazy and then offshore whatever they can. 2175 02:35:17,133 --> 02:35:25,170 And it's just this crazy go nuts thing of like taking all of these like the point of where they are right now. 2176 02:35:25,170 --> 02:35:26,678 I don't know if you guys are aware. 2177 02:35:27,727 --> 02:35:30,923 Have any of you guys been following private equity firms at all? 2178 02:35:31,548 --> 02:35:33,139 No, I can't say I have. 2179 02:35:33,503 --> 02:35:35,292 yeah, it's crazy. 2180 02:35:35,292 --> 02:35:40,206 the bigger stuff, Like Burger King and all the fast food restaurants and they consolidate all. 2181 02:35:40,206 --> 02:35:43,359 So now it's like Blackstone or whatever, whatever it is owns all of those. 2182 02:35:43,359 --> 02:35:55,149 But they've done all of the easy pickings targets that they're now going into the next level of, uh well, how about we just buy up all the HVAC and plumbers in a certain region 2183 02:35:55,149 --> 02:36:03,067 and we'll buy all those and then we'll just shove them all into one place and fire a bunch of people and have them do the jobs of like 2184 02:36:03,067 --> 02:36:09,271 80 companies and we'll just keep all the field engineers but all of the administration will condense. 2185 02:36:09,271 --> 02:36:21,418 uh And that's like their step that's where we are in private equity firm area is that they're just buying HVAC stuff and there's a joke from like one YouTube channel that 2186 02:36:21,418 --> 02:36:29,883 covers like you know uh labor laws and all this other stuff and the video is like uh making a plum making a plumbing business 2187 02:36:29,883 --> 02:36:33,823 to be bought up by a private equity firm, like as a joke, right? 2188 02:36:33,863 --> 02:36:37,083 Like they, you know, if they say, oh, this plumber doesn't even have a website. 2189 02:36:37,083 --> 02:36:40,163 Think of all the money that we'll be able to make like by doing all these things. 2190 02:36:40,163 --> 02:36:48,783 And it's just like a shell stupid company to, it's like a, a honeypot for private equity firms. 2191 02:36:48,843 --> 02:36:57,923 Like, I don't know you guys have heard of the honeypops that they'd done for AI, where they have these robot.txt files that have recursive links and keep them caged inside, just 2192 02:36:57,923 --> 02:36:59,947 like constantly looping through. 2193 02:36:59,947 --> 02:37:00,527 Yep. 2194 02:37:00,527 --> 02:37:01,418 It's kind of like that. 2195 02:37:01,418 --> 02:37:06,090 It's like this is the stage of warfare that we're at. 2196 02:37:06,090 --> 02:37:11,293 We're creating shell plumber companies to be purchased by private equity firms. 2197 02:37:11,413 --> 02:37:12,234 I don't know, dude. 2198 02:37:12,234 --> 02:37:14,503 ah Stuff. 2199 02:37:14,503 --> 02:37:15,631 we could do that. 2200 02:37:15,631 --> 02:37:18,535 Make a, like a shell plodding company. 2201 02:37:18,694 --> 02:37:21,041 Yeah. 2202 02:37:21,041 --> 02:37:25,640 Or we could make a uh shell game development company that Microsoft buys. 2203 02:37:25,640 --> 02:37:40,846 Yeah, like I don't know we'll call yourself bunjo Yeah, I got this guy on tap 2204 02:37:41,342 --> 02:37:44,874 Yeah, private equity is a nasty business. 2205 02:37:44,874 --> 02:37:47,985 are parasitic and such a... 2206 02:37:47,985 --> 02:37:49,485 does not, they don't. 2207 02:37:50,066 --> 02:37:52,547 They don't really do much for society in any way. 2208 02:37:52,547 --> 02:38:09,254 ah you like Pizza Hut back in the day, blame them because they're the ones that bought them then made it so that they had worse product ah and they just haven't recovered. 2209 02:38:09,551 --> 02:38:13,535 Yeah, Toys R Us, KB Toys, Private Equity firms. 2210 02:38:14,056 --> 02:38:24,728 Literally anything from my childhood that I can remember that fondly like going to and having some type of like good time, Private Equity firm came and just extracted, just took 2211 02:38:24,728 --> 02:38:26,569 all the juice and left a husk. 2212 02:38:27,491 --> 02:38:28,311 Yeah. 2213 02:38:28,905 --> 02:38:33,531 crazy how honestly, I don't say this often, like evil it is. 2214 02:38:33,759 --> 02:38:35,179 Yeah, it's I don't get it. 2215 02:38:35,179 --> 02:38:36,119 It's like monopolies. 2216 02:38:36,119 --> 02:38:36,939 No, no, no, you can't do that. 2217 02:38:36,939 --> 02:38:38,879 Private every firms are cool. 2218 02:38:38,959 --> 02:38:42,779 You're a monopoly, but you're like all those companies still exist. 2219 02:38:42,779 --> 02:38:44,699 So you're not one big company. 2220 02:38:44,699 --> 02:38:49,219 You're like 13 big companies, but you're just at the top of that. 2221 02:38:49,219 --> 02:38:51,479 And it's like a weird pyramid stream. 2222 02:38:51,527 --> 02:38:52,608 They're worse than monopoly. 2223 02:38:52,608 --> 02:38:56,439 They'll buy everything up and then they just because they want to extract profit. 2224 02:38:56,439 --> 02:39:04,053 This is the whole point is to extract profit and not to actually build a business up and improve it and get more profit in an ethical way. 2225 02:39:04,053 --> 02:39:06,174 They do it in an unethical way, in my opinion. 2226 02:39:06,174 --> 02:39:06,792 So. 2227 02:39:06,792 --> 02:39:09,153 yeah, no, it's it is what they do. 2228 02:39:09,153 --> 02:39:21,183 They they just min max all of the companies that are in a sector, take all of those companies that are in a sector, move around whatever resources they have to better extract 2229 02:39:21,183 --> 02:39:22,203 out of it. 2230 02:39:22,203 --> 02:39:23,151 And that's it. 2231 02:39:23,151 --> 02:39:25,871 And it's like, well, that that all failed. 2232 02:39:25,871 --> 02:39:27,167 It's like, yeah, well, we're full. 2233 02:39:27,167 --> 02:39:27,668 My God. 2234 02:39:27,668 --> 02:39:30,589 Well, we what else can we private equity? 2235 02:39:31,250 --> 02:39:32,691 It's I don't know. 2236 02:39:32,840 --> 02:39:36,519 If you're working at a company and it gets acquired, I'd look for another job. 2237 02:39:36,519 --> 02:39:39,610 Because usually they're going to lay off a lot of people anyways, so. 2238 02:39:39,610 --> 02:39:40,212 other guy down. 2239 02:39:40,212 --> 02:39:40,933 Yeah, exactly right. 2240 02:39:40,933 --> 02:39:41,686 Yes. 2241 02:39:41,686 --> 02:39:43,098 Yeah, that would suck. 2242 02:39:44,411 --> 02:39:47,858 Okay, guys, we have one more topic. 2243 02:39:47,858 --> 02:39:50,502 Do we want to do it or should we just skip it? 2244 02:39:51,289 --> 02:39:52,380 Warhammer Conference? 2245 02:39:52,380 --> 02:39:53,631 over it real quick. 2246 02:39:53,631 --> 02:39:56,793 We just want to talk about Warhammer. 2247 02:39:56,873 --> 02:40:08,660 So Warhammer has gained a lot of notoriety as of recent, primarily because of Space Marine 2, but also because of Secret Level, and also because of Henry Cavill being a Warhammer 2248 02:40:08,660 --> 02:40:08,860 dude. 2249 02:40:08,860 --> 02:40:13,153 It's like the number nerdiest thing anyone can do, to be honest. 2250 02:40:13,153 --> 02:40:17,219 Yeah, I never got into Warhammer just because it was way too expensive. 2251 02:40:17,219 --> 02:40:18,821 I could never rationalize. 2252 02:40:18,821 --> 02:40:20,543 Like I was like, cool Warhammer. 2253 02:40:20,543 --> 02:40:21,745 And I picked up a little figurine. 2254 02:40:21,745 --> 02:40:25,330 was like 40 bucks for this and I have to paint it? 2255 02:40:25,330 --> 02:40:27,969 Like what the hell? 2256 02:40:27,969 --> 02:40:34,657 that's how games workshop is still around man they you pay 40 bucks for a figure that you have to paint yourself otherwise they'd probably be like 2257 02:40:35,317 --> 02:40:36,998 You know what's amazing to me? 2258 02:40:36,998 --> 02:40:45,295 I don't know how Games Workshop is still around since 3D printers came along because you could totally just be like, I'm going to print myself up a little $40 figure for about 2259 02:40:45,295 --> 02:40:46,586 three bucks. 2260 02:40:46,947 --> 02:40:49,818 I get it. 2261 02:40:49,818 --> 02:40:53,060 You can make some good money if you're really good at painting them. 2262 02:40:53,060 --> 02:40:58,813 But then also on top of it, you customize your army and it also gives them buffs and it does other things. 2263 02:40:58,813 --> 02:41:00,964 Like there's a whole thing about it. 2264 02:41:01,023 --> 02:41:12,716 I am totally like I, like the geek side of me loves it, but the, the, the cost conscious side of me will just not entertain it. 2265 02:41:12,716 --> 02:41:13,497 And I just. 2266 02:41:13,497 --> 02:41:15,408 yeah, it's exactly the same. 2267 02:41:15,408 --> 02:41:17,601 Your work has Henry Cavill told you to do it. 2268 02:41:17,833 --> 02:41:22,213 I mean, I am genuinely excited for the TV show that he's going to be making. 2269 02:41:22,213 --> 02:41:28,073 like all like I loved all of the Witcher stuff that was out prior. 2270 02:41:28,533 --> 02:41:29,813 I don't know. 2271 02:41:29,833 --> 02:41:37,073 I appreciate that he is, you know, adamant about being, you know, like, oh, no, we have to keep to the lore. 2272 02:41:37,213 --> 02:41:40,213 I want I want to be invested in something. 2273 02:41:40,213 --> 02:41:43,793 I don't want to be I don't want to invest in in like fan fiction. 2274 02:41:43,793 --> 02:41:45,258 It's like, OK, whatever you do. 2275 02:41:45,258 --> 02:41:52,754 I understand that Warhammer is there's lots of stories and there's lots of things and but I don't know. 2276 02:41:52,754 --> 02:42:02,061 think a lot of it is like super canony like they just have an easier allowance because it's just such a giganto universe of stuff. 2277 02:42:02,061 --> 02:42:05,294 There's like trillions of population. 2278 02:42:05,294 --> 02:42:10,397 So it's like well of course this could happen in this world over there because it's a bazillion people. 2279 02:42:10,397 --> 02:42:15,299 uh But yes it's you know when. 2280 02:42:16,049 --> 02:42:24,085 One thing that I liked that Disney did, not that I liked it all that much, but when they bought Star Wars, they basically said, hey, you know all those books and all those comic 2281 02:42:24,085 --> 02:42:25,417 books and everything else? 2282 02:42:25,417 --> 02:42:27,028 That's all legends now. 2283 02:42:27,028 --> 02:42:28,559 None of that happened. 2284 02:42:28,619 --> 02:42:32,716 And it's like, wait, you're saying all of the things that people got invested in story-wise never happened? 2285 02:42:32,716 --> 02:42:33,864 They're like, no, no, no. 2286 02:42:33,864 --> 02:42:35,645 It's just a legend. 2287 02:42:35,685 --> 02:42:43,151 And if you're going to retcon a bunch of stuff and say it never happened, I have a problem with that wholesale. 2288 02:42:43,151 --> 02:42:44,813 But they have it as legends now. 2289 02:42:44,813 --> 02:42:45,409 m 2290 02:42:45,409 --> 02:42:47,809 It's like legends that happen inside. 2291 02:42:47,809 --> 02:42:49,149 Like, oh, did you hear that? 2292 02:42:49,149 --> 02:42:50,269 There's this guy that did it. 2293 02:42:50,269 --> 02:43:00,049 So it's legends that happen inside of the lore of Star Wars, that all of these are tall tales that those people have told inside of there. 2294 02:43:00,049 --> 02:43:03,149 Like, OK, well, that's at least some consideration. 2295 02:43:03,229 --> 02:43:04,669 it's like, I don't know. 2296 02:43:04,669 --> 02:43:06,649 Have you guys ever read any of the Halo books? 2297 02:43:08,029 --> 02:43:10,473 I read the Fall of Reesh like in middle school. 2298 02:43:10,473 --> 02:43:13,915 Right, yeah, the books I genuinely loved. 2299 02:43:13,915 --> 02:43:18,839 uh Eric Nyland did some fantastic work from the first few ones. 2300 02:43:18,879 --> 02:43:23,463 And I was so invested in that after I played the game and I loved Halo 1. 2301 02:43:23,463 --> 02:43:24,833 And was like, crap, I'm going read the book. 2302 02:43:24,833 --> 02:43:25,804 And then that was dope. 2303 02:43:25,804 --> 02:43:30,447 uh And then they were just like, actually, know, all the books aren't canon. 2304 02:43:30,447 --> 02:43:32,209 Whatever happens in the game is canon. 2305 02:43:32,209 --> 02:43:36,632 And it was like, here's the list of precedents for canon for the Halo series. 2306 02:43:36,632 --> 02:43:38,643 And it was like, the game is number one. 2307 02:43:38,689 --> 02:43:40,430 uh books are like number three. 2308 02:43:40,430 --> 02:43:44,172 It was like something like crazy and it was like well you can't have... 2309 02:43:44,372 --> 02:43:54,918 basically all you're saying is anything that is in the game is fan fiction and that's dumb and it's gotten to the point that the games are so convoluted story-wise that it's... 2310 02:43:55,058 --> 02:43:56,038 they've... 2311 02:43:56,379 --> 02:43:59,281 we've already talked about how Microsoft has mishandled this thing. 2312 02:43:59,281 --> 02:43:59,701 Yeah. 2313 02:43:59,701 --> 02:44:00,285 uh 2314 02:44:00,285 --> 02:44:03,538 never been a good story in my opinion. 2315 02:44:03,538 --> 02:44:07,543 think the universe and the FPS shooter and a co-op shooter, it's fun. 2316 02:44:07,543 --> 02:44:09,435 I don't think the story is like amazing. 2317 02:44:09,435 --> 02:44:12,098 The books are actually good story. 2318 02:44:12,098 --> 02:44:13,160 I actually like the story. 2319 02:44:13,160 --> 02:44:16,074 It really flushes things out in my opinion. 2320 02:44:16,074 --> 02:44:24,251 when you like, if you are very reductive for the Halo TV series, it's like, what if the Bible was real and it's sci-fi? 2321 02:44:24,251 --> 02:44:25,962 And it's like, what? 2322 02:44:25,962 --> 02:44:27,743 Yeah, yeah, you know the arc? 2323 02:44:28,824 --> 02:44:31,487 no, yeah, yeah, that's actually aliens. 2324 02:44:31,487 --> 02:44:32,668 It's like, huh? 2325 02:44:32,668 --> 02:44:41,835 Yeah, it's like, that's all, that's all that comes down to is that it's like Bible sci-fi is what the Halo, if to be reductive, right? 2326 02:44:41,835 --> 02:44:44,615 uh I kind of like, 2327 02:44:44,615 --> 02:44:54,912 I'm I'm I'm on board with that like with all the things that they did and like the halo rings are to terminate all life but the covenant the covenant. 2328 02:44:55,433 --> 02:45:04,529 I that's how they get to heaven like that's how they die and go to heaven they go to their their better life so there's like an idea of an afterlife and all but they don't know it's 2329 02:45:04,529 --> 02:45:13,740 an afterlife they're just like if we activate this we go to heaven and they'll die but it's like all of these things are like okay I you know. 2330 02:45:13,740 --> 02:45:15,699 dogmatic aliens is crazy. 2331 02:45:15,699 --> 02:45:22,554 mean, dude, they call they call Master Chief Demon like it's all just sci fi Bible. 2332 02:45:22,554 --> 02:45:24,596 That's all that it really is. 2333 02:45:24,596 --> 02:45:36,364 But I still I still like that because it's like it's kind of like Indiana Jonesy type of in that rain like that realm like, OK, I can buy that. 2334 02:45:36,364 --> 02:45:41,928 like Indiana Jones stuff just because it features that stuff and it's super supernatural in a number of ways. 2335 02:45:41,928 --> 02:45:43,609 uh 2336 02:45:43,679 --> 02:45:45,371 So it's the same type of thing for me. 2337 02:45:45,371 --> 02:45:51,456 Yes, I will agree that if you're reductive, it's kind of like super like whatever. 2338 02:45:51,918 --> 02:45:55,804 still, I used to like it, but now it's just whatever. 2339 02:45:55,804 --> 02:46:01,784 I to be honest though, think a lot of what makes Halo so memorable for people is the cinematography. 2340 02:46:01,784 --> 02:46:14,524 mean, yeah, it's very reductive, yes, it's just basically the sci-fi bible, but at the same time though, if you're actually watching the cutscenes, it feels more than the sum of 2341 02:46:14,524 --> 02:46:16,944 its parts, for sure. 2342 02:46:18,256 --> 02:46:21,007 the music is on... 2343 02:46:21,007 --> 02:46:24,718 Everything about it was a flash in the pan thing that I don't think... 2344 02:46:24,718 --> 02:46:33,571 They were white-knuckling the entire development process of what that was supposed to be, like an RTS into the FPS, going to Xbox. 2345 02:46:33,571 --> 02:46:41,093 There's a whole thing of actually landing where they landed, ah and then the multiplayer just be like, whoa. 2346 02:46:41,809 --> 02:46:42,751 Ha ha ha. 2347 02:46:42,849 --> 02:46:43,710 unreal. 2348 02:46:43,710 --> 02:46:53,354 And then when Halo 2 came out, was, by and large, like you look at the lobby system that they created and all the other things that they made, they were in the future. 2349 02:46:53,354 --> 02:46:56,555 um yeah, they were like banging on all cylinders. 2350 02:46:56,555 --> 02:47:01,658 And I would even say that Halo 3 was like the pinnacle of Haloness. 2351 02:47:01,658 --> 02:47:09,875 There's actually a video that someone recorded, like a mini documentary of his own personal thing going to a midnight launch for Halo 3. 2352 02:47:10,087 --> 02:47:13,860 And it's like in 720, like gnarly 720p. 2353 02:47:14,341 --> 02:47:18,724 And it's genuinely one of the best YouTube videos that exists on the platform. 2354 02:47:18,724 --> 02:47:21,366 It just feels like a very YouTube video. 2355 02:47:21,407 --> 02:47:25,637 And it manages to capture Halo 3. 2356 02:47:25,637 --> 02:47:33,156 And it manages to capture the aura of Halo, the last remnants of it. 2357 02:47:33,156 --> 02:47:33,996 uh 2358 02:47:33,996 --> 02:47:40,276 to think that Halo used to be like, you know how GTA 6 is like the most anticipated game right now? 2359 02:47:40,276 --> 02:47:43,956 Like it's crazy to think that Halo used to be there and it's all gone. 2360 02:47:44,536 --> 02:47:54,476 Oh yeah, and speaking of like retconning lore and like turning into Legends, know I've always like, like remember the Legend of Zelda, like there used to be an interpretation 2361 02:47:54,476 --> 02:47:59,130 that all the Zelda games are telling the same story more or less. 2362 02:47:59,130 --> 02:48:09,593 But given that it's a folktale that's been passed down throughout time, the story has changed up slightly because that's just how folklore changes over time. 2363 02:48:09,594 --> 02:48:17,741 I've always really liked that interpretation instead of it being the three timeline thing that Modern Zelda is because it's a- uh 2364 02:48:17,741 --> 02:48:18,444 then? 2365 02:48:18,444 --> 02:48:21,155 Like Wind Waker is quite a bit different than all the other ones. 2366 02:48:21,155 --> 02:48:22,652 ah 2367 02:48:22,652 --> 02:48:27,492 Well, you know, probably folklore from like thousands of years later. 2368 02:48:27,492 --> 02:48:38,592 It's not even the same story like, you know, you know, like Disney, like, you know how like Disney's interpretation of like fairy tales are like completely different compared to 2369 02:48:38,592 --> 02:48:40,972 like the actual fairy tales. 2370 02:48:41,412 --> 02:48:44,612 Yeah, like that almost, but like not quite Disney. 2371 02:48:45,596 --> 02:48:46,357 true. 2372 02:48:46,357 --> 02:48:47,378 True true. 2373 02:48:48,060 --> 02:48:52,866 Well, Warhammer, have we set our peace on this thing? 2374 02:48:52,866 --> 02:48:56,893 during the Warhammer Skulls event that happened the same time Computex happened. 2375 02:48:57,135 --> 02:49:02,887 They announced Warhammer Space Marine Mastercraft. 2376 02:49:02,887 --> 02:49:03,437 Yes. 2377 02:49:03,437 --> 02:49:06,291 yeah that looks cool have any of you guys played space from me too 2378 02:49:06,500 --> 02:49:09,077 Yeah, I have two twos on my list. 2379 02:49:09,077 --> 02:49:11,161 I've played the original and I loved it 2380 02:49:11,354 --> 02:49:13,394 yeah, I played the original and it was was fine. 2381 02:49:13,394 --> 02:49:16,097 It was very three six PS three sixty type of game. 2382 02:49:16,097 --> 02:49:23,311 uh And Space Marine two is just way, way better. 2383 02:49:23,311 --> 02:49:24,241 I was not into this. 2384 02:49:24,241 --> 02:49:25,742 I still have to play through it. 2385 02:49:25,742 --> 02:49:31,786 But the first the engine that they have designed for Space Marine two is fantastic. 2386 02:49:31,786 --> 02:49:37,566 The amount of enemies that they have on screen at one time while keeping performance consistent is crazy. 2387 02:49:37,566 --> 02:49:41,769 It really puts you in this space of whole crap. 2388 02:49:41,769 --> 02:49:47,444 know, like on Starship Troopers where you just have this wave of aliens and it's just like there's millions. 2389 02:49:47,444 --> 02:49:48,184 I can't even count them. 2390 02:49:48,184 --> 02:49:51,477 They're uncountable amount of enemies. 2391 02:49:52,118 --> 02:49:55,690 The first level of the tutorial does that for you. 2392 02:49:55,690 --> 02:50:01,745 It's just like this swarm that is never ending and performance never really waivers all that much. 2393 02:50:01,745 --> 02:50:06,869 It's just a truly fantastic engine to flex that world. 2394 02:50:07,041 --> 02:50:12,221 And Space Marine 2 is 10 times better than Space Marines 1. 2395 02:50:12,221 --> 02:50:17,301 If you guys are anywhere on your queue, yeah, it's really, really cool. 2396 02:50:17,301 --> 02:50:18,721 I really enjoy. 2397 02:50:19,241 --> 02:50:20,341 I love the Space Marine games. 2398 02:50:20,341 --> 02:50:21,681 I love the RTS games. 2399 02:50:21,681 --> 02:50:22,681 I love all the different. 2400 02:50:22,681 --> 02:50:26,621 I love that they're so free with like, oh, let's put this in this game. 2401 02:50:26,621 --> 02:50:29,241 And it's like, this is a TRPG. 2402 02:50:29,241 --> 02:50:31,841 And this is an RTS. 2403 02:50:31,841 --> 02:50:34,329 And this is like a third person action game. 2404 02:50:34,419 --> 02:50:45,164 I love that they're super flexible and allowing that license to go to all these different companies and it helps it helps that you know making Warhammer. 2405 02:50:45,285 --> 02:50:48,672 there was also that boomer shooter they're making another one. 2406 02:50:48,672 --> 02:50:51,425 the, uh, bolt gun, yeah, I have that. 2407 02:50:51,425 --> 02:50:53,467 That was really, I really liked it. 2408 02:50:53,467 --> 02:50:55,268 yeah, Bolt Gun 2 is coming. 2409 02:50:55,328 --> 02:51:04,556 Yeah, like I love that they're so free to let their IP kind of dance around. 2410 02:51:04,857 --> 02:51:12,504 And I think that helps the Warhammer franchise kind of uh hit people that it normally wouldn't hit. 2411 02:51:12,504 --> 02:51:17,188 Because if they just stayed inside of the tabletop game that they were, it would be a super niche thing. 2412 02:51:17,188 --> 02:51:18,489 But what they've allowed 2413 02:51:18,489 --> 02:51:19,880 is really cool. 2414 02:51:19,880 --> 02:51:32,940 I love the idea and more to the point, I would love to get more involved in the Warhammer thing, but I think for me, the Henry Cavill TV show with Amazon Prime is going to be where 2415 02:51:32,940 --> 02:51:34,121 the lore sits in my head. 2416 02:51:34,121 --> 02:51:39,965 Because I have a general understanding of what's going on, but I'm genuinely waiting for that. 2417 02:51:40,556 --> 02:51:41,579 Yeah, 100%. 2418 02:51:41,579 --> 02:51:47,975 It's games and maybe some other stuff I read online sometimes about it, but I can't do the game. 2419 02:51:47,975 --> 02:51:49,899 Like the tabletop. 2420 02:51:49,899 --> 02:51:55,448 a friend that has like a 12 hour Warhammer lore PowerPoint info dump. 2421 02:51:56,221 --> 02:51:57,020 I do. 2422 02:51:57,020 --> 02:51:58,203 my gosh. 2423 02:51:59,032 --> 02:52:00,673 What's removed? 2424 02:52:01,275 --> 02:52:04,880 Was it like uh six degrees from Kevin Bacon? 2425 02:52:04,880 --> 02:52:07,843 We got one degree from Warhammer Lore. 2426 02:52:08,252 --> 02:52:08,865 Oh no. 2427 02:52:08,865 --> 02:52:12,928 how many degrees from give it yeah sorry go for it 2428 02:52:12,928 --> 02:52:16,759 a couple of, like, last year and, uh, this... 2429 02:52:16,759 --> 02:52:24,981 one of my friends was there and he was like, hey, let's go to the board game shop, uh, like, in the downtime between the wedding and the reception. 2430 02:52:25,162 --> 02:52:34,064 And so we went to the board game shop and all he wanted to do was explain all the fucking different, like, figurines and what they were and I was like, dude, I... 2431 02:52:34,384 --> 02:52:37,124 I'm a nerd, but I'm not that dirty, alright? 2432 02:52:37,124 --> 02:52:37,590 Yes. 2433 02:52:37,590 --> 02:52:42,124 I'm glad we're all agree that Warhammer is like the number one nerdiest thing. 2434 02:52:42,525 --> 02:52:42,897 Yeah. 2435 02:52:42,897 --> 02:52:45,397 You know, I don't know. 2436 02:52:45,397 --> 02:52:48,357 I've come to appreciate it more when I was younger. 2437 02:52:49,737 --> 02:52:50,277 Right. 2438 02:52:50,277 --> 02:52:54,277 Yeah, I mean, but no, mean, like I was like I was always a nerd and a geek growing up. 2439 02:52:54,277 --> 02:52:58,377 But even for like when I saw people playing Dungeons and Dragons, I turned my nose up at those guys. 2440 02:52:58,837 --> 02:53:02,957 Dungeons and Dragons nerds like like look at me on Dungeons and Dragons. 2441 02:53:02,957 --> 02:53:07,237 I have chain mail on like like I'm a nerd making fun of those guys. 2442 02:53:07,237 --> 02:53:09,637 And I'm just like actually Dungeons and Dragons. 2443 02:53:09,702 --> 02:53:13,799 So we gotta make a nerdiest thing tier list. 2444 02:53:13,799 --> 02:53:16,123 We can all agree Warhammer's at the top. 2445 02:53:16,123 --> 02:53:17,115 What's number two? 2446 02:53:17,115 --> 02:53:19,451 Dungeons and Dragons probably. 2447 02:53:19,451 --> 02:53:20,213 Star Wars. 2448 02:53:20,213 --> 02:53:22,653 don't know man, a lot of normies like Star Wars. 2449 02:53:23,366 --> 02:53:24,609 What's the nerdiest thing? 2450 02:53:24,609 --> 02:53:25,561 I don't even know man. 2451 02:53:25,561 --> 02:53:28,427 I Dungeon Dragons has got to be up there ah 2452 02:53:28,427 --> 02:53:31,298 then like, anime's probably up there too, to be honest. 2453 02:53:31,298 --> 02:53:33,545 uh 2454 02:53:33,545 --> 02:53:39,108 is the, what's the, um, the generic universal role play thing? 2455 02:53:39,108 --> 02:53:40,599 Like GERP? 2456 02:53:41,520 --> 02:53:42,360 GERP. 2457 02:53:42,360 --> 02:53:43,421 No, no, no, GERP. 2458 02:53:43,421 --> 02:53:46,212 There's, so like there's D &D, right? 2459 02:53:46,212 --> 02:53:54,507 But if we're making a tier list, then, then GERP is a, if you're making your own generic universal role play. 2460 02:53:54,707 --> 02:53:59,638 So it's like, it's a framework for you to make your own D &D style game. 2461 02:53:59,638 --> 02:54:00,396 Uh-huh. 2462 02:54:00,396 --> 02:54:06,679 And that, if you're making your own D &D style game, then you're a tier above, D &D. 2463 02:54:06,679 --> 02:54:07,211 Yeah. 2464 02:54:07,211 --> 02:54:08,031 right, okay. 2465 02:54:08,031 --> 02:54:20,880 I can yeah like DND's DND when DND is pedestrian for you I Know I'm a Gerber Man look at this Gerber, baby 2466 02:54:21,138 --> 02:54:21,695 Pfft! 2467 02:54:21,695 --> 02:54:24,802 where do think video games lie on that tier list? 2468 02:54:24,982 --> 02:54:30,182 You know they've grown in popularity but if you ask that question in the 80s it would be full on nerd. 2469 02:54:30,582 --> 02:54:41,842 Growing up I had to hide the fact that I played video games lest I would be labeled you know as full on nerd territory and you did not want to use this. 2470 02:54:41,842 --> 02:54:48,862 I remember playing basketball when I was like 12 with someone we're just playing basketball and it's like you know you know we're playing and he's like he's like alright 2471 02:54:48,862 --> 02:54:54,390 I'm gonna get going I'm gonna play Diablo 2 and I'm like Diablo 2 and then we get closer. 2472 02:54:54,390 --> 02:54:56,670 And they're like, do you play EverQuest? 2473 02:54:56,730 --> 02:54:59,230 This is like, you're like whispering at that point. 2474 02:54:59,230 --> 02:55:00,610 But that's like where it was. 2475 02:55:00,610 --> 02:55:07,354 was just like you did not admit out loud that you played video games when I was young, at least in where I grew up. 2476 02:55:07,354 --> 02:55:09,415 I mean comic books used to be the same way too. 2477 02:55:09,415 --> 02:55:20,291 I mean before Marvel made it really big I mean you'd have to be a huge fucking nerd to know anything about the comics besides like Batman's parents died like that's like 2478 02:55:20,476 --> 02:55:23,558 Yeah, I never saw anyone actually read comic books. 2479 02:55:23,558 --> 02:55:31,883 Anytime I ever heard anyone talk about comic books when I was young was like, if I get this, it's going to be worth a lot of money in the future type of type of thing. 2480 02:55:31,883 --> 02:55:36,820 never I never actually found someone that read comic legitimately. 2481 02:55:36,820 --> 02:55:39,528 I never saw anyone read a comic book, but then they could have been hiding. 2482 02:55:39,528 --> 02:55:42,629 They could have been like, you know, sit. 2483 02:55:42,890 --> 02:55:43,710 Yeah. 2484 02:55:43,908 --> 02:55:47,110 When I was growing up, my dad actually published comic books. 2485 02:55:47,110 --> 02:55:48,877 Like, he wrote and published them. 2486 02:55:48,877 --> 02:55:50,425 So, yeah. 2487 02:55:50,425 --> 02:55:52,978 wait, wait, who did he work for, Marvel or DC? 2488 02:55:52,978 --> 02:55:53,846 Or someone else? 2489 02:55:53,846 --> 02:55:56,617 an independent comic book artist. 2490 02:55:56,617 --> 02:56:01,129 Like, yeah, dude, he he published a comic book. 2491 02:56:01,129 --> 02:56:13,454 put he so in the late 80s and early 90s, he had three issues of a horror anthology uh comic book called Fang Magazine. 2492 02:56:13,694 --> 02:56:22,919 And then later on, he had a a uh 10 series, 10 issue series called Lobster Man, Maine's first superhero. 2493 02:56:22,919 --> 02:56:24,753 And there's like nothing about it online. 2494 02:56:24,753 --> 02:56:25,344 I've looked. 2495 02:56:25,344 --> 02:56:26,753 eh 2496 02:56:26,753 --> 02:56:29,606 now, I don't see anything that looks like a comic book. 2497 02:56:30,488 --> 02:56:31,299 That's crazy. 2498 02:56:31,299 --> 02:56:37,376 Dude, dude, Lord Drop, dude, we need, dude, Lord Drop this shit, man. 2499 02:56:37,376 --> 02:56:39,088 This is interesting stuff. 2500 02:56:39,345 --> 02:56:45,810 Well, I haven't read all of it because they're like the books are falling apart because they're like literally 30 years old so 2501 02:56:45,810 --> 02:56:47,761 Just put like some like latex gloves. 2502 02:56:47,761 --> 02:56:53,173 You know those gloves that they use to like unbox rare stuff like Magic cards? 2503 02:56:53,733 --> 02:56:58,716 Like you know if you like come across a Black Lotus video like they're always wearing white gloves. 2504 02:57:00,230 --> 02:57:02,078 yeah, Magic is pretty up there too. 2505 02:57:04,657 --> 02:57:05,191 I know. 2506 02:57:05,191 --> 02:57:06,264 I need to do that. 2507 02:57:06,264 --> 02:57:08,329 Anything you want to plug before you head out? 2508 02:57:09,237 --> 02:57:19,397 I mean you can just find me on the Fox on YouTube and I cover a lot of PC gaming handles I try to explore you know taking them as far as I can but also to give you a good 2509 02:57:19,397 --> 02:57:24,324 understanding of the performance you can get out of them and any of the new news that's coming out and that's what I do 2510 02:57:24,324 --> 02:57:25,865 Yeah, this guy Fox. 2511 02:57:28,070 --> 02:57:28,916 Never gets old. 2512 02:57:28,916 --> 02:57:29,717 stuff, good stuff. 2513 02:57:29,717 --> 02:57:34,853 Okay, with that, let's head out. 2514 02:57:34,853 --> 02:57:36,334 Have a good one, everyone. 2515 02:57:36,576 --> 02:57:37,111 Later. 2516 02:57:37,111 --> 02:57:37,873 bye. 2517 02:57:38,469 --> 02:57:39,339 Later.