1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,060 Welcome to Off the Console, the greatest podcast to ever come out to humankind. 2 00:00:06,060 --> 00:00:10,040 I don't have my script in front of me, so I'm going to be having even more fun today. 3 00:00:10,460 --> 00:00:17,900 So unless anyone stops me, I'm going to continue on with just promoting this amazing thing of of a tech podcast. 4 00:00:17,900 --> 00:00:25,930 We're going to we talk about hardware, games, whatever it is in the zeitgeist of whatever we do as 5 00:00:25,930 --> 00:00:26,941 content creators and everything. 6 00:00:26,941 --> 00:00:28,273 So today 7 00:00:28,273 --> 00:00:29,594 is a special episode. 8 00:00:29,594 --> 00:00:39,458 It's the Next Fest episode where we're gonna be playing, talking about our favorite demos from the Next Fest that's going on right now. 9 00:00:39,458 --> 00:00:42,019 And there's a plethora of them. 10 00:00:42,019 --> 00:00:46,059 There's so many demos that there's not enough time in the world. 11 00:00:46,059 --> 00:00:50,133 to play them, so you have to go solely off of how they look. 12 00:00:50,133 --> 00:00:55,968 And I have to say, that is probably the most interesting part about this whole thing is browsing for demos to play. 13 00:00:55,968 --> 00:01:00,443 Because some of them look really good until you get into it, and then they don't look good. 14 00:01:00,443 --> 00:01:02,174 And then there's the opposite. 15 00:01:02,174 --> 00:01:05,769 So it's a fun time. 16 00:01:05,769 --> 00:01:09,172 With me is Gardner and HiTech Lowlife. 17 00:01:10,108 --> 00:01:14,256 and of course me, James, also known as the Brain Core, Games Revealed. 18 00:01:15,019 --> 00:01:16,661 I personally prepared... 19 00:01:16,923 --> 00:01:18,365 James Revealed. 20 00:01:18,455 --> 00:01:19,538 That seems a little... 21 00:01:19,538 --> 00:01:21,221 nicey, spicy. 22 00:01:24,691 --> 00:01:25,862 That's your oldie fans. 23 00:01:25,862 --> 00:01:32,222 a reoccurring joke that we do sometimes because I'm like, well, if it gets worse, you know, first comes to worse, I need to get a job or something. 24 00:01:32,222 --> 00:01:35,142 I can always do James revealed instead on only fans, but. 25 00:01:35,142 --> 00:01:35,339 go. 26 00:01:35,339 --> 00:01:38,439 So we got our first message from Rachie. 27 00:01:38,439 --> 00:01:39,602 Morning chat. 28 00:01:39,602 --> 00:01:40,803 Morning, Rachie. 29 00:01:40,803 --> 00:01:42,059 Good old Rachie. 30 00:01:42,424 --> 00:01:44,084 a good old rate sheet. 31 00:01:45,005 --> 00:01:46,323 Welcome, welcome Richie. 32 00:01:47,269 --> 00:01:48,184 Welcome to the chat. 33 00:01:48,184 --> 00:01:50,959 So I have my gaming fuel here. 34 00:01:50,959 --> 00:01:52,562 I have a Coke and I have a coffee. 35 00:01:52,562 --> 00:01:55,617 I don't know if you guys are prepared for this, but I have. 36 00:01:55,617 --> 00:01:57,650 Maybe not the device yet. 37 00:01:58,421 --> 00:01:59,322 I've got water. 38 00:01:59,322 --> 00:02:00,998 A beer stein full of water. 39 00:02:00,998 --> 00:02:01,941 got a... 40 00:02:01,941 --> 00:02:02,701 a... 41 00:02:02,803 --> 00:02:03,384 a... 42 00:02:03,384 --> 00:02:04,197 That's nice. 43 00:02:04,197 --> 00:02:06,322 Ooh, go hard into the microplastics. 44 00:02:06,322 --> 00:02:07,113 Nice. 45 00:02:08,034 --> 00:02:10,640 Nah, I've got one of those reusable bottles. 46 00:02:10,954 --> 00:02:11,436 Yeah. 47 00:02:11,436 --> 00:02:11,897 Same. 48 00:02:11,897 --> 00:02:13,369 I'm just messing with you. 49 00:02:13,369 --> 00:02:15,335 Maybe I'll get micro metals. 50 00:02:15,335 --> 00:02:17,330 Maybe you got nanomachines inside. 51 00:02:17,432 --> 00:02:19,155 Nanomachines son. 52 00:02:19,684 --> 00:02:21,632 Nah, just aluminum, you know. 53 00:02:22,330 --> 00:02:25,773 Nano machines not to be confused with micro machines. 54 00:02:27,972 --> 00:02:29,537 no, that's 55 00:02:29,537 --> 00:02:31,438 is like before we edit. 56 00:02:37,482 --> 00:02:41,947 No, there's just the long pauses because we're on a, because we're doing the video chat. 57 00:02:41,947 --> 00:02:45,129 I usually cut out as many of the long pauses as I can. 58 00:02:46,397 --> 00:02:48,164 we can see the messages in Riverside. 59 00:02:48,164 --> 00:02:49,406 That's pretty cool. 60 00:02:50,164 --> 00:02:50,891 I didn't know that. 61 00:02:50,891 --> 00:02:51,143 that. 62 00:02:51,143 --> 00:02:53,102 Yeah, there's a chat section. 63 00:02:53,400 --> 00:03:04,200 No, I had a, uh, no, I usually just like go on YouTube to respond or I just like pull up YouTube and like, okay, it's kind of hard because one of my monitors still fucked up. 64 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:08,571 But like, I usually have YouTube on the other monitor so I can just re-chat that way. 65 00:03:08,571 --> 00:03:10,896 But hey, it is what it is. 66 00:03:10,896 --> 00:03:12,360 How many viewers do we have? 67 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:13,533 Looks like two. 68 00:03:14,830 --> 00:03:15,858 No. 69 00:03:15,978 --> 00:03:16,399 Damn. 70 00:03:16,399 --> 00:03:17,162 Well, that's okay. 71 00:03:17,162 --> 00:03:18,735 That's okay. 72 00:03:18,837 --> 00:03:22,868 What matters is people watch it after we do all the fun stuff. 73 00:03:23,445 --> 00:03:24,630 you 74 00:03:24,630 --> 00:03:27,844 And then we also put it on our podcasting platforms. 75 00:03:27,844 --> 00:03:31,809 So now YouTubers get people that watch videos on YouTube, they get priority. 76 00:03:32,371 --> 00:03:33,144 Apparently. 77 00:03:33,144 --> 00:03:35,360 Yeah, it's the only one you can livestream on. 78 00:03:35,439 --> 00:03:35,891 Yep. 79 00:03:35,891 --> 00:03:39,674 So, fellows, what have y'all, yeah, James, go on. 80 00:03:39,674 --> 00:03:40,616 I know, I know. 81 00:03:40,616 --> 00:03:41,924 You guys are just chatting a lot. 82 00:03:41,924 --> 00:03:45,042 Yeah, so what have you guys been doing this week? 83 00:03:45,042 --> 00:03:46,264 Let's get into that. 84 00:03:46,854 --> 00:03:47,759 Next Fest. 85 00:03:47,759 --> 00:03:49,767 Nothing but Next Fest. 86 00:03:50,471 --> 00:03:52,839 How many demos did you try out this week? 87 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:54,778 Close to 50. 88 00:03:54,778 --> 00:03:57,692 I don't know, I want to be impressed, but I also want to be disappointed. 89 00:03:57,692 --> 00:04:01,306 I don't know which one to feel right now that you didn't try out more. 90 00:04:02,001 --> 00:04:05,321 Some of the demos, some of the demos like didn't run. 91 00:04:05,461 --> 00:04:07,701 Some of the demos didn't actually run on Steam Deck. 92 00:04:07,701 --> 00:04:08,820 So I'm counting those two. 93 00:04:08,820 --> 00:04:09,573 really? 94 00:04:09,573 --> 00:04:10,999 I tried five. 95 00:04:10,999 --> 00:04:15,064 I have 10 or 15 downloaded on my deck, but I've tried five of them. 96 00:04:15,064 --> 00:04:18,574 Yeah, to be honest, I only like half of the ones I've played. 97 00:04:18,574 --> 00:04:19,767 It's very interesting. 98 00:04:19,767 --> 00:04:21,508 Very interesting set of demos. 99 00:04:21,508 --> 00:04:25,672 got a couple of ones that I'm like, these look horrible, but they could still be fun. 100 00:04:25,672 --> 00:04:27,631 A lot of survival horror. 101 00:04:27,977 --> 00:04:31,899 Dude, it's okay because we didn't spend any money. 102 00:04:31,899 --> 00:04:36,606 If he spent like $60 in the game like that though, it's a bit of a nightmare. 103 00:04:37,807 --> 00:04:46,614 That's why so many people can enjoy like bad movies because they can just, if they want to watch it, they can just pirate it or, well, I mean, not saying you couldn't pirate videos, 104 00:04:46,614 --> 00:04:51,337 but like it's more common to pirate movies probably. 105 00:04:51,977 --> 00:04:52,644 Yeah 106 00:04:52,644 --> 00:04:54,004 I know nowadays. 107 00:04:54,144 --> 00:04:55,284 I feel like it's a... 108 00:04:55,284 --> 00:04:56,664 I don't know. 109 00:04:56,855 --> 00:05:01,096 feel like pirating games is way more complicated than it used to be. 110 00:05:01,178 --> 00:05:05,480 Like, I don't know, because I haven't tried, but yeah. 111 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,422 Well, the thing is that people don't know how to download shit. 112 00:05:08,422 --> 00:05:15,234 They just, they just go on like Google and they click on the first result and then they get a virus and that scares them off. 113 00:05:15,234 --> 00:05:23,508 Whereas like you, like you can look, you can look up movies and it just streams from a piracy website and you don't even download anything. 114 00:05:23,508 --> 00:05:28,181 And if you have ad block, then it's relatively safe-er-ish. 115 00:05:28,181 --> 00:05:30,302 Maybe not safe from the ISP though. 116 00:05:30,786 --> 00:05:31,565 No. 117 00:05:31,565 --> 00:05:35,809 Do you think that they're promoting viruses, these companies? 118 00:05:35,809 --> 00:05:43,826 They're like, we're just going to have the first five CD key hacks or whatever be just viruses that they promote. 119 00:05:44,693 --> 00:05:46,258 Wait, Hi Tech, come back. 120 00:05:47,247 --> 00:05:57,108 So from what I understand, I think there was one company in Japan that did this, where they released a quote unquote cracked version of their end game. 121 00:05:57,209 --> 00:05:59,051 This is from like the early 2000s. 122 00:05:59,051 --> 00:06:02,544 And then so they released a quote unquote cracked version of their game. 123 00:06:02,544 --> 00:06:08,740 then you had to put in your name and stuff, and it took a picture of you. 124 00:06:08,740 --> 00:06:12,534 And then the developers exposed you on their websites until you said sorry. 125 00:06:12,534 --> 00:06:13,615 It was hilarious. 126 00:06:13,615 --> 00:06:15,288 Shame man, shame it. 127 00:06:15,871 --> 00:06:16,709 You shame him. 128 00:06:16,709 --> 00:06:18,113 public shaming does work. 129 00:06:18,113 --> 00:06:22,154 It's also the best anti-cheat as we, as you recall from last week. 130 00:06:22,154 --> 00:06:22,615 Yeah. 131 00:06:22,615 --> 00:06:25,220 I have a hard time with that one because I don't even cheat. 132 00:06:25,220 --> 00:06:28,427 don't know how I would explain. 133 00:06:28,427 --> 00:06:28,978 Yeah, I just don't know. 134 00:06:28,978 --> 00:06:30,857 It's a hard one. 135 00:06:30,857 --> 00:06:34,971 the demo I want to try is Roadcraft from Cyber Interactive. 136 00:06:34,971 --> 00:06:37,552 Now, what is Roadcraft from Cyber Interactive? 137 00:06:38,094 --> 00:06:38,734 Let's look it up. 138 00:06:38,734 --> 00:06:40,224 it's got mixed reviews too. 139 00:06:40,224 --> 00:06:42,572 It is it looks like it's a 140 00:06:42,572 --> 00:06:53,452 game where you clear out debris and shit and I mean it seems pretty neat isn't there's a game that's like on steam already though it's more it has more of like voxel style 141 00:06:53,452 --> 00:07:00,549 graphics like tear down I think isn't that you're not just cleaning stuff up though sometimes you're like blowing people's shit up 142 00:07:02,603 --> 00:07:05,507 This game would look, it honestly looks fun. 143 00:07:05,507 --> 00:07:09,835 It looks like it'd be perfect for my kids too, for me and my kids to play. 144 00:07:09,835 --> 00:07:12,175 Dude, you know they should do though? 145 00:07:12,735 --> 00:07:17,675 They should make a game like Teardown, but like it's an actual game. 146 00:07:17,675 --> 00:07:20,215 Like, imagine if made an FPS with like Teardown level destruction. 147 00:07:20,215 --> 00:07:21,266 That would be kind of sick. 148 00:07:21,266 --> 00:07:25,489 And like, and I think there's a mod for it that has structural integrity. 149 00:07:25,709 --> 00:07:28,882 like tear down by itself doesn't have structural integrity. 150 00:07:28,882 --> 00:07:32,073 Like if you take out the like foundation of a building, it doesn't collapse. 151 00:07:32,094 --> 00:07:36,277 But with this mod, it uses so it uses an insane amount of CPU by the way. 152 00:07:36,477 --> 00:07:40,880 But if you like take down the foundation of a building with the mod enabled, it like starts to crack. 153 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:42,662 Like the wall start to crack and then it falls. 154 00:07:42,662 --> 00:07:43,314 It's awesome. 155 00:07:43,314 --> 00:07:44,868 Do I still sound fine? 156 00:07:45,580 --> 00:07:46,831 K, you still saw fun. 157 00:07:47,089 --> 00:07:47,813 Okay, cool. 158 00:07:47,813 --> 00:07:49,692 I started OBS and it does weird stuff. 159 00:07:49,692 --> 00:07:55,501 So I think today we have to celebrate someone's birthday. 160 00:07:55,501 --> 00:07:56,505 Someone's birthday? 161 00:07:56,505 --> 00:07:58,396 Steam Deck? 162 00:07:58,396 --> 00:07:58,919 life. 163 00:07:58,919 --> 00:07:59,873 Yes. 164 00:07:59,873 --> 00:08:00,283 yeah. 165 00:08:00,283 --> 00:08:03,295 Does someone have a birthday cake or anything? 166 00:08:03,856 --> 00:08:05,217 That would have been a good... 167 00:08:07,259 --> 00:08:08,659 So like a pie? 168 00:08:09,073 --> 00:08:10,082 A steam deck pie? 169 00:08:10,082 --> 00:08:11,593 And the pie is a lie. 170 00:08:12,149 --> 00:08:13,220 Not the pie is a lie. 171 00:08:13,220 --> 00:08:19,620 I wonder if I could get Costco to write like, the cake is a lie on their cake and do a video on that. 172 00:08:20,221 --> 00:08:21,155 I don't see why they wouldn't. 173 00:08:21,155 --> 00:08:22,088 I don't see why they wouldn't. 174 00:08:22,088 --> 00:08:23,083 You're paying them. 175 00:08:23,083 --> 00:08:25,191 They'll write anything, probably. 176 00:08:25,191 --> 00:08:29,441 know I'm just, of course, it's not it's nothing like, well, I don't know if they'll write anything, but yeah. 177 00:08:29,441 --> 00:08:33,431 Yeah, so is Valve doing anything special for the birthday this year? 178 00:08:33,813 --> 00:08:34,744 Do you know? 179 00:08:34,837 --> 00:08:39,377 Hmm, no, but we did see some statistics. 180 00:08:39,717 --> 00:08:49,177 According to AMD, the combined sales of the ROG Ally, the Steam Deck, and the Legion Go hit 8 million total sales. 181 00:08:49,237 --> 00:08:56,028 And many are speculating that the Steam Deck hit 4 million of those sales. 182 00:08:56,028 --> 00:08:58,071 Nah, I don't have any concrete numbers. 183 00:08:58,713 --> 00:09:02,302 But that does sound pretty impressive for a, admittedly sort of niche device. 184 00:09:02,302 --> 00:09:04,505 Honestly, I think it would be more than that. 185 00:09:04,505 --> 00:09:05,976 I mean, how much? 186 00:09:06,392 --> 00:09:07,048 I don't know. 187 00:09:07,048 --> 00:09:13,156 I feel like the ROG ally and the Legion Go are more niche than the Steam Deck, right? 188 00:09:13,682 --> 00:09:22,035 Yeah, I mean, the Steam Deck is definitely a lot more mainstream, but like compared to something like the Nintendo Switch, which sold 20 million on year three. 189 00:09:22,952 --> 00:09:23,797 I mean, that's not even... 190 00:09:23,797 --> 00:09:37,543 People are saying the Steam Deck was a failure because the Switch sold 20 million units, and that's not even a real comparison because Nintendo puts a lot in that in marketing, 191 00:09:37,683 --> 00:09:38,743 and it works. 192 00:09:38,743 --> 00:09:40,096 Whereas Valve... 193 00:09:40,096 --> 00:09:43,106 When's last time we've seen Valve market anything outside of Steam? 194 00:09:43,106 --> 00:09:52,608 Never I mean they had the the one like there are like the two trailers like for the original steam deck and for the OLED but that's about all the marketing I've seen them do 195 00:09:52,608 --> 00:09:56,680 I mean yeah, like, you've never seen a Steam Deck on TV before, have you? 196 00:09:56,680 --> 00:09:57,922 I certainly haven't. 197 00:09:58,818 --> 00:10:00,662 I have. 198 00:10:00,662 --> 00:10:03,886 wasn't on TV, it was a live stream on the Game Awards. 199 00:10:05,791 --> 00:10:07,373 It wasn't an ad though. 200 00:10:07,634 --> 00:10:08,455 No. 201 00:10:09,257 --> 00:10:12,611 Was that, I think that was an AMD ad actually not a. 202 00:10:13,974 --> 00:10:14,845 Okay. 203 00:10:15,253 --> 00:10:16,593 I'm kidding. 204 00:10:16,593 --> 00:10:19,376 No, they don't do any marketing for the most part. 205 00:10:19,376 --> 00:10:29,840 do give out, honestly, if they were smart, they would eat with the Steam Deck 2, they would give out even more to even smaller creators to grow their channels because that is a 206 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:34,203 really good way to market on a budget and also show goodwill. 207 00:10:34,444 --> 00:10:38,167 You know what a valve should do when the singlet too rolls around. 208 00:10:38,167 --> 00:10:39,079 Give it to me. 209 00:10:39,079 --> 00:10:40,279 Yeah, you know it man. 210 00:10:40,279 --> 00:10:47,351 All three of us, we're gonna show off our Steam Deck 2s and then we're gonna play video games together. 211 00:10:47,351 --> 00:10:56,947 Speaking of which though, this isn't on the topic list, but I've seen some mentions of a Steam Deck Pro or some shit like that. 212 00:10:56,947 --> 00:10:59,907 At the very least we saw an Aerith Pro APU. 213 00:11:00,388 --> 00:11:02,179 And for what I understand, P.A. 214 00:11:02,179 --> 00:11:04,841 Lugrafy categorically denied those rumors. 215 00:11:04,841 --> 00:11:07,694 that there is no Steam Deck Pro coming out. 216 00:11:07,694 --> 00:11:12,339 So then, yeah, the Fox seems to believe that this might have to do with Framont. 217 00:11:13,103 --> 00:11:13,911 Yeah. 218 00:11:13,911 --> 00:11:14,813 I believe that. 219 00:11:14,813 --> 00:11:22,684 I think Fremont is gonna have like an upgraded Steam Deck CPU and that's where we're gonna end up finding... 220 00:11:24,147 --> 00:11:24,729 What's the word? 221 00:11:24,729 --> 00:11:27,846 I'm sure the Steam Deck is a lot more capable than we realize. 222 00:11:27,846 --> 00:11:34,737 If A, we didn't have to worry about battery life or thermal constraints, then I'm sure it could run a lot better. 223 00:11:35,104 --> 00:11:49,264 and memory bandwidth because the I watched the Fox's video and it's like you know I think the Steam Deck has like 5,000 something megatransfer a second and the the pro has like 224 00:11:49,264 --> 00:11:54,544 8,500 megatransfer a second so between memory bandwidth 225 00:11:55,302 --> 00:12:06,987 rising and having less thermal overhead and more power available, think that, you know, a console of that, like a steam deck console basically, is going to be pretty incredible. 226 00:12:06,987 --> 00:12:08,268 Very capable. 227 00:12:09,075 --> 00:12:11,675 Well, this is one of the topics I do want to talk about. 228 00:12:11,675 --> 00:12:21,535 This leads kind of into it a little bit, is that I do think what would make a perfect Steam machine this year is going to be that framework desktop. 229 00:12:21,795 --> 00:12:25,035 Hi-tech grew it in the chat and I was... 230 00:12:25,035 --> 00:12:28,255 Framework has always been interesting, but I don't want a laptop like that per se. 231 00:12:28,255 --> 00:12:30,255 Like my MacBooks last four or five years. 232 00:12:30,255 --> 00:12:31,595 They were great. 233 00:12:31,595 --> 00:12:37,747 But I have been wanting a Steam machine solely to do like co-op and all that, but... 234 00:12:37,747 --> 00:12:41,551 potentially even replace my desktop right now because it's just also struggling a little bit. 235 00:12:42,253 --> 00:12:46,699 I'm really, really interested in this framework desktop. 236 00:12:46,699 --> 00:12:53,517 haven't reserved it or like, yeah, I haven't reserved one yet, but and I'm going to contact him too, but I'm going to I plan on at least buying one. 237 00:12:53,825 --> 00:13:04,522 So, Raychi says, problem I have with the Steam Deck is it has a stronger CPU to the PS4, but a weaker GPU, so I can play stuff at 60 FPS but at 40p, 680p. 238 00:13:04,522 --> 00:13:10,867 Listen, dude, the Steam Deck screen is 800p maximum if you're playing in handheld mode. 239 00:13:11,127 --> 00:13:19,743 Like, yeah, you're playing stuff at like 720p because, I mean, it doesn't make sense to raise the resolution when the screen itself doesn't even support a higher resolution. 240 00:13:19,743 --> 00:13:23,609 And when you're playing games on the go, you kind of have to make concessions because of battery. 241 00:13:23,609 --> 00:13:28,185 Like if they made a technology that gives like the steam deck infinite power, that'd be awesome. 242 00:13:28,185 --> 00:13:31,079 But like that's not happening in our lifetimes. 243 00:13:31,124 --> 00:13:33,004 I want options. 244 00:13:33,004 --> 00:13:36,964 don't care if it burns through and only have an hour, but I have 1080. 245 00:13:36,964 --> 00:13:37,824 That's what I want. 246 00:13:37,824 --> 00:13:41,284 I want something like a 1200 1080p for my next Steam Deck. 247 00:13:41,284 --> 00:13:43,704 Just going to say it like I can plug. 248 00:13:43,904 --> 00:13:53,044 I I noticeably like more than FSR or anything else, the resolution does bother me, actually, like 480 on a Steam Deck. 249 00:13:53,044 --> 00:13:54,764 can't I can't do that very well. 250 00:13:54,764 --> 00:13:59,115 It's actually a saving grace of FSR because then it will upscale for me at least. 251 00:13:59,115 --> 00:14:02,927 But I think we all kind of are a little different with this. 252 00:14:02,927 --> 00:14:07,930 I mean, personally speaking, think I'm okay with the lower resolution. 253 00:14:07,930 --> 00:14:09,535 mean, it's a small screen. 254 00:14:09,535 --> 00:14:12,341 Relatively speaking, it's a small screen. 255 00:14:12,876 --> 00:14:16,776 That's my point, though, is preferences, is that like it's nice to have the options. 256 00:14:16,776 --> 00:14:18,676 That's one of the nice things about PC. 257 00:14:18,676 --> 00:14:22,076 So I would rather them. 258 00:14:22,076 --> 00:14:23,496 And I do agree. 259 00:14:23,496 --> 00:14:31,316 Like, I think these to save battery and everything like that, they underpowered the steam deck a little bit. 260 00:14:31,476 --> 00:14:39,556 But I don't really like they're one of the biggest things I saw was actually RAM with a lot of games I play. 261 00:14:39,556 --> 00:14:40,596 That's the games I play. 262 00:14:40,596 --> 00:14:42,036 And this is anecdotal. 263 00:14:42,036 --> 00:14:44,002 is the limiter is RAM for me. 264 00:14:44,002 --> 00:14:46,603 So personally speaking, do sort of agree with your point. 265 00:14:46,603 --> 00:14:58,247 do what I would like Valve to do for like the next iteration of the Steam Deck 2 is to, you know, when it's docked, it like, Valve claims that it runs at full power when like all 266 00:14:58,247 --> 00:14:59,308 the time, right? 267 00:14:59,308 --> 00:15:00,667 Even when docked, right? 268 00:15:00,788 --> 00:15:05,290 But I feel like that could push it just a little bit more when plugged in. 269 00:15:05,290 --> 00:15:06,471 And that's kind of what I want. 270 00:15:06,471 --> 00:15:12,013 Like, like, Neon Hunter Nintendo Switch runs slightly like, you know, a slightly higher clock speed than such when docked. 271 00:15:12,013 --> 00:15:13,183 Yeah, think of it like that. 272 00:15:13,183 --> 00:15:14,048 That'd be nice. 273 00:15:14,048 --> 00:15:14,839 I want options. 274 00:15:14,839 --> 00:15:22,085 I want to be able to run it as high as I want in battery mode, like like docked or non-docked. 275 00:15:22,085 --> 00:15:23,305 But I want the options. 276 00:15:23,305 --> 00:15:23,835 I agree. 277 00:15:23,835 --> 00:15:31,410 Like I want to be able to configure it to like, OK, let's limit it pretty low on the go and then go full speed or overclock it a little bit with the dock. 278 00:15:31,410 --> 00:15:33,911 But you know what really they should be working on? 279 00:15:33,911 --> 00:15:36,242 And I don't know why this doesn't get more traction. 280 00:15:36,242 --> 00:15:37,592 It's just an EGPU dock. 281 00:15:37,592 --> 00:15:38,258 Just 282 00:15:38,258 --> 00:15:43,492 Do an eGPU dock with Steam Deck 2, plug it in, you get more, it makes sense. 283 00:15:43,492 --> 00:15:45,257 That's the way we should go, in my opinion. 284 00:15:45,257 --> 00:15:48,579 yeah, what GPU should we put in the CPU dock? 285 00:15:48,832 --> 00:15:52,800 well, the new GPUs coming out are looking really sexy. 286 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,507 The AMD's 9070. 287 00:15:56,171 --> 00:15:58,657 yeah, the sexiest part though is the price. 288 00:15:58,657 --> 00:15:59,977 $5.99 289 00:15:59,977 --> 00:16:00,887 weirdest part too. 290 00:16:00,887 --> 00:16:02,187 It's like a kink of theirs. 291 00:16:02,187 --> 00:16:09,094 They're like, okay, we're gonna be doing this weird price gap of like pretty big performance, but only $50 difference. 292 00:16:09,094 --> 00:16:12,676 Like why would you get the X, like not get the XT version? 293 00:16:12,676 --> 00:16:14,938 I don't know if you guys looked into this much, but like. 294 00:16:14,938 --> 00:16:16,418 anchoring man. 295 00:16:16,739 --> 00:16:23,464 They want to make the 9070 look a good 9070 XT look a good deal in comparison to the regular 99070. 296 00:16:23,464 --> 00:16:25,251 I don't understand why they're doing it. 297 00:16:25,251 --> 00:16:32,891 I don't think that works the same way for a GPU as it does for like any other markets but like god damn it man. 298 00:16:32,891 --> 00:16:33,812 God damn AMD. 299 00:16:33,812 --> 00:16:35,112 Just lower the price man. 300 00:16:35,112 --> 00:16:36,253 People are gonna 301 00:16:36,300 --> 00:16:44,385 People are gonna give this a bad review and then you're gonna lower the price later, but all the bad reviews are out there now and no one's gonna fucking buy these. 302 00:16:44,606 --> 00:16:53,986 of the of the 9070, the 9070 XT, I think we'll get good reviews and everything, but the 9070, it just doesn't even make sense except for with these types of devices. 303 00:16:53,986 --> 00:16:56,326 They usually it's the same. 304 00:16:56,866 --> 00:17:00,366 It's the same GPU core. 305 00:17:00,366 --> 00:17:02,166 It's just rated better, right? 306 00:17:02,166 --> 00:17:09,506 Like when they do stress testing, if it can run better, they usually upscale it to the next level. 307 00:17:09,506 --> 00:17:12,226 And so I'm thinking that's what it is. 308 00:17:12,226 --> 00:17:12,921 I don't know. 309 00:17:12,921 --> 00:17:15,779 It's interesting. 310 00:17:15,779 --> 00:17:21,292 I don't get where they're going, but I do love where they're going with that price to performance. 311 00:17:21,292 --> 00:17:22,676 It sounds pretty sexy. 312 00:17:22,676 --> 00:17:32,502 Now to be honest, kind of wish AMD competed on the high end again because, you know, I'm hoping that AMD does compete on the high end for like the, 10,000 series GPUs or whatever 313 00:17:32,502 --> 00:17:33,333 that comes next. 314 00:17:33,333 --> 00:17:44,820 But I certainly hope that they compete and that they put up a decent price because Lord knows, historically, and you know, correct me if I'm wrong, but historically, AMD has 315 00:17:44,820 --> 00:17:49,272 always priced their GPUs pretty close to the Nvidia prices. 316 00:17:49,306 --> 00:17:54,366 but like $50 less, but like, let's say 25 % worse performance. 317 00:17:54,366 --> 00:17:55,701 And honestly, that's not worth it. 318 00:17:55,701 --> 00:17:57,261 Yeah, no, I agree. 319 00:17:57,261 --> 00:18:09,961 I do hope that this is like a little bit of a AMD starting to do more to be more competitive and that they'll start getting into the higher end. 320 00:18:09,961 --> 00:18:12,681 But I'm I'm about ready to do this. 321 00:18:12,681 --> 00:18:21,861 And the reason why I bring up the framework stuff like the framework desktop, one of the reasons is because I'm kind of done with the high end right now. 322 00:18:21,861 --> 00:18:22,421 Who knows? 323 00:18:22,421 --> 00:18:24,561 Maybe I'll come back, but it's just. 324 00:18:24,831 --> 00:18:28,866 Price to performance is just, it's a linear scale and I don't like it. 325 00:18:28,866 --> 00:18:37,945 I just don't like that every year they just include a couple more cores and then they just up the price and I'm fine with a mid-range card these days. 326 00:18:37,945 --> 00:18:40,058 They play almost everything great. 327 00:18:40,058 --> 00:18:47,646 So, Ray Chi says, believe the 9070 XT will be out of stock and that the 9070 will be the only thing in stock. 328 00:18:47,646 --> 00:18:53,041 So, I mean, I guess it's a fair point given how GP, but that's more of Nvidia's playbook. 329 00:18:53,041 --> 00:18:56,676 They like to make GPUs scarce so they can justify the prices. 330 00:18:56,676 --> 00:19:01,400 Whereas AMD apparently delayed the launch of these to get more stock. 331 00:19:02,141 --> 00:19:08,365 So yeah, the stores and this is from Linux Tech Tips, but the stores have been stocking it for a few months now. 332 00:19:08,365 --> 00:19:12,667 And it sounds like there should be, you should not be having the same issue that Nvidia. 333 00:19:12,667 --> 00:19:14,688 Does that mean that they're not gonna be sold out? 334 00:19:14,688 --> 00:19:17,589 I think it's a pretty sexy price to performance. 335 00:19:17,589 --> 00:19:22,531 It sounds like everything's looking good, but we'll have to see what reviews say, of course. 336 00:19:22,651 --> 00:19:29,714 But at the end of the day, like it will be sold out, but it won't be because they did stock limiting. 337 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,964 like Nvidia does or Sony even does like. 338 00:19:33,692 --> 00:19:34,277 Yeah. 339 00:19:34,277 --> 00:19:44,557 Yeah, and also one more thing too is that I don't really think scalpers would go for these cards because, you know, the 50-90 has that mystique of being the fastest gaining GP on 340 00:19:44,557 --> 00:19:45,677 the market. 341 00:19:45,677 --> 00:19:52,057 And some people will pay that pretty penny for that, even if it's from a scalper. 342 00:19:52,057 --> 00:19:54,857 Whereas, you know, this is a mid-range card. 343 00:19:55,197 --> 00:20:00,097 No one's going to want to pay scalpers for like a jacked up price for a mid-range card, right? 344 00:20:00,097 --> 00:20:02,417 No one's going to pay a thousand dollars for this, right? 345 00:20:02,957 --> 00:20:04,509 I wouldn't think so. 346 00:20:05,007 --> 00:20:09,069 It depends on the scarcity level and how hard it is to get and what the demand is. 347 00:20:09,069 --> 00:20:09,980 But I agree. 348 00:20:09,980 --> 00:20:11,721 I don't think it's going to be as bad. 349 00:20:11,721 --> 00:20:19,076 But in the past, when we had GPU limitation, like back with COVID, like their everything was expensive. 350 00:20:19,076 --> 00:20:22,097 Everything was bumped up by two or three hundred dollars. 351 00:20:22,097 --> 00:20:25,831 So it definitely is capable of going there. 352 00:20:25,831 --> 00:20:26,481 But we'll see. 353 00:20:26,481 --> 00:20:27,192 Like, it depends. 354 00:20:27,192 --> 00:20:29,943 I'm really hoping AMD is really. 355 00:20:30,497 --> 00:20:38,191 trying to be competitive because they could really eat Nvidia's lunch if they really wanted to just be like, okay, we're going to have a lot at launch. 356 00:20:38,191 --> 00:20:39,451 We're not playing these games. 357 00:20:39,451 --> 00:20:49,706 We're going to give what gamers actually want, which is the ability to buy it because you're going to kill excitement if you can't get the, in my opinion, if you can't get the 358 00:20:49,706 --> 00:20:50,377 GPU. 359 00:20:50,377 --> 00:20:52,678 like for me, Nvidia is like that. 360 00:20:52,678 --> 00:20:56,029 I just, I'm not going to play the game of trying to get it. 361 00:20:56,442 --> 00:20:59,802 Rache says, six years ago, $600 was the high end. 362 00:20:59,802 --> 00:21:02,042 Yes, I miss Polaris. 363 00:21:02,042 --> 00:21:05,582 The RX 580 was the real bargain. 364 00:21:06,122 --> 00:21:08,082 And I'm going to be real with you, man. 365 00:21:08,082 --> 00:21:10,682 Six years ago was a long time ago. 366 00:21:10,922 --> 00:21:12,242 And times have changed. 367 00:21:12,242 --> 00:21:13,722 Prices have gone up. 368 00:21:14,782 --> 00:21:17,502 And I mean, what more can I say? 369 00:21:17,502 --> 00:21:19,042 It's all Nvidia's fault. 370 00:21:19,042 --> 00:21:21,722 And honestly, I also partly blame AMD. 371 00:21:21,722 --> 00:21:24,954 They're most, they're kind of complicit with this whole ish. 372 00:21:24,954 --> 00:21:25,614 kind complicit. 373 00:21:25,614 --> 00:21:34,656 just let AMD run wild and they also price their GPU similarly as well because I mean they make a little they can make a little more gosh. 374 00:21:34,777 --> 00:21:40,358 Now I think the real savior of GPUs may be coming in the form of Intel. 375 00:21:40,778 --> 00:21:46,010 Now Intel hasn't proven themselves to be nearly as good but I that's just my hope. 376 00:21:46,010 --> 00:21:54,582 My hope is that like Intel can actually make a decent GPU and not overcharge for it and then disrupt the market because Lord knows 377 00:21:55,048 --> 00:22:01,511 I don't want a duopoly of AMD and Nvidia because we all know how that's going to end. 378 00:22:01,511 --> 00:22:02,232 Yeah. 379 00:22:02,232 --> 00:22:06,753 than just what we have now, which it feels like Nvidia. 380 00:22:06,773 --> 00:22:09,654 Like I felt like if I want to get the best deal. 381 00:22:10,515 --> 00:22:17,058 Nvidia are not the best deal, but like the best graphics card that will last me for years to go in the past, like Nvidia and their. 382 00:22:17,058 --> 00:22:20,809 I understand their modeling a little bit better than AMD's. 383 00:22:20,809 --> 00:22:24,680 AMD's modeling is kind of all over the place sometimes with their names. 384 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,420 I don't know that, but. 385 00:22:26,461 --> 00:22:27,362 I don't know what to say. 386 00:22:27,362 --> 00:22:30,085 All I know is I'm going more AMD these days, for now. 387 00:22:30,085 --> 00:22:34,029 I think they're more customer and consumer friendly. 388 00:22:34,029 --> 00:22:35,883 Not to mention open source. 389 00:22:36,748 --> 00:22:47,371 that yeah I think that's a big part of being customer friendly is not trying to you know shut your customers out altogether or not listening to what they want 390 00:22:47,371 --> 00:22:48,973 Let me see what's going on. 391 00:22:48,973 --> 00:22:51,114 Yeah, so I don't know, man. 392 00:22:51,155 --> 00:22:56,951 The GPU market's all kinds of weird, especially now since AI is a major driver. 393 00:22:56,951 --> 00:23:03,751 And unlike crypto, where crypto crashed and crashed and burned and no one fucking... 394 00:23:03,751 --> 00:23:06,211 Like, what's the last thing before anyone crypto farmed? 395 00:23:06,372 --> 00:23:15,676 Crypto still a thing but the problem is it was getting to a point where it was hard to farm anyways crypto still things like Bitcoin still rising it's Not as big as it used to 396 00:23:15,676 --> 00:23:21,434 be which is good You don't have like but you still have your crypto boys or bros or whatever and it's just it is a little 397 00:23:21,434 --> 00:23:27,047 bros, they're all trying to like scan each other as opposed to like buy up all the GPUs to farm crypto nowadays. 398 00:23:27,047 --> 00:23:30,283 when like I haven't heard anyone I haven't heard people. 399 00:23:30,462 --> 00:23:31,135 Yeah. 400 00:23:31,135 --> 00:23:41,707 It's not as productive to do that now because you hit like with mining you you hit limitations because it gets harder and harder and our tech didn't grow with it. 401 00:23:41,707 --> 00:23:42,215 So. 402 00:23:42,215 --> 00:23:46,007 Well, the point I'm trying to make though is that AI is a little different. 403 00:23:46,248 --> 00:23:49,560 AI doesn't seem like something that'll go away anytime soon. 404 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,912 And as such, people are buying up these GPUs to do AI. 405 00:23:53,052 --> 00:24:05,540 And Nvidia is artificially capping GPUs like VRAM to not let, say, know, because they want, they want all the AI guys to buy their Quattro cards or Tesla cards. 406 00:24:05,620 --> 00:24:10,464 Can you, wait, can you believe that Nvidia has a line of GPUs called the Tesla line? 407 00:24:10,464 --> 00:24:11,366 It's kind of crazy. 408 00:24:11,366 --> 00:24:12,369 How long have they had that? 409 00:24:12,369 --> 00:24:12,992 can't remember. 410 00:24:12,992 --> 00:24:15,821 I know Quadro, like that's a professional card. 411 00:24:16,201 --> 00:24:21,168 I thought Tesla was like the one of the architecture names. 412 00:24:21,168 --> 00:24:31,884 And also, Raytree, he says, theory why Nvidia is expensive for gamers is because they fuse the consumer cards with the professional cards together, so the barrier for pro dropped, 413 00:24:31,884 --> 00:24:34,135 but the barrier for gamers increased. 414 00:24:34,155 --> 00:24:40,798 I don't agree, because Nvidia is still clearly handicapping VRAM across the board so that people don't just buy the... 415 00:24:40,798 --> 00:24:47,020 so that, you know, AI developers and people that like AI don't just buy their gaming cards to the AI. 416 00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:48,051 Like, the big... 417 00:24:48,051 --> 00:24:48,792 the, like... 418 00:24:48,792 --> 00:24:53,900 32 gigabytes of VRAM is not enough for an AI model. 419 00:24:53,900 --> 00:24:58,989 Well, it's probably like the low, that's the lowest amount that I would consider to be acceptable for an AI 420 00:24:58,989 --> 00:25:02,542 I don't know, Gardner proved that it runs pretty good on the Steam Deck. 421 00:25:02,587 --> 00:25:06,452 It yeah, I mean the what was it the seven billion eight billion model. 422 00:25:06,452 --> 00:25:07,169 Yeah 423 00:25:07,169 --> 00:25:08,329 Yeah, it was the seven billion. 424 00:25:08,329 --> 00:25:16,929 Yeah, if you're going to be serious though, you're not, you're going to be getting the Quadro or probably a more custom chip set from Nvidia and they do not fuse them by the 425 00:25:16,929 --> 00:25:17,669 way. 426 00:25:17,769 --> 00:25:20,349 They're very different cards. 427 00:25:20,869 --> 00:25:25,349 Like Hitech mentioned, like with the Quadro, the Quadro is a professional. 428 00:25:25,349 --> 00:25:31,769 It's usually for like game development or other high intensive GPU tasks. 429 00:25:31,769 --> 00:25:33,497 I don't know if it's even used. 430 00:25:33,497 --> 00:25:42,157 as much for AI, but I think Nvidia has its own line of AI cards that they more or less sell to, exclusively to open AI and stuff like that. 431 00:25:42,157 --> 00:25:48,537 There's a whole problem with all this, because it's all down to like two companies really doing a lot of this. 432 00:25:49,137 --> 00:25:55,617 Another reason I like the framework and some of these other AI models coming out is like framework. 433 00:25:55,617 --> 00:26:00,717 You can get 128 gigabyte version of it that can share the memory up to 96 gigabytes. 434 00:26:00,881 --> 00:26:04,004 That is enough RAM to run anything you'd want to run. 435 00:26:04,004 --> 00:26:07,536 I can finally make my AI assistant that we talked about. 436 00:26:07,536 --> 00:26:08,897 Like, I'm going to have an AI assistant. 437 00:26:08,897 --> 00:26:10,425 I'm going to be training it every day. 438 00:26:10,425 --> 00:26:11,869 I'm going to have some fun with it. 439 00:26:11,869 --> 00:26:13,429 But yeah. 440 00:26:13,429 --> 00:26:18,846 House, write me a article on why Nvidia bad AMV good. 441 00:26:18,846 --> 00:26:30,026 I posted a video about the framework desktop and someone in the comments was like, I'm so disappointed in framework. 442 00:26:30,026 --> 00:26:36,046 They're now removing modular RAM so that they can price gouge. 443 00:26:36,046 --> 00:26:39,206 And I was like, it's $2,000. 444 00:26:39,206 --> 00:26:45,666 Like I built this computer here for like $4,500. 445 00:26:45,666 --> 00:26:46,670 Right. 446 00:26:46,670 --> 00:26:53,336 And I have 128 gigs of RAM and like a third of that budget was to RAM, right? 447 00:26:53,336 --> 00:26:54,478 Like it's insane. 448 00:26:54,478 --> 00:27:04,206 Like if you buy RAM modules and and it's like if you buy like a Mac Pro, you can't even get 128 gigabytes. 449 00:27:04,807 --> 00:27:06,999 In a Mac Mac studio, I should say. 450 00:27:06,999 --> 00:27:08,810 Dude. 451 00:27:09,341 --> 00:27:11,461 here's the thing. 452 00:27:11,461 --> 00:27:25,821 If you go and look at the Mac Studio compared to, let's say you go with this, is $2,000, I think is pretty reasonable for this setup personally. 453 00:27:26,581 --> 00:27:27,052 For our... 454 00:27:27,052 --> 00:27:30,315 out the RAM in a Mac Studio, it's twice that amount. 455 00:27:30,315 --> 00:27:32,756 And it's only 64 gigs, I think. 456 00:27:32,756 --> 00:27:34,813 It might be 98 gigs, but it's like not. 457 00:27:34,813 --> 00:27:38,381 not not in the studio, but in the Mac Mini it's 64. 458 00:27:39,027 --> 00:27:52,939 It is you can get a Mac Mini to get more expensive than a MacBook Pro mid stock, which is crazy because it includes like a really nice screen and everything else like Apple has a 459 00:27:52,939 --> 00:27:57,763 really bad problem with their upgrade cycle, even though I do like their stuff. 460 00:27:57,984 --> 00:27:58,954 They're crazy. 461 00:27:58,954 --> 00:27:59,701 This. 462 00:27:59,701 --> 00:28:00,881 is a very good deal. 463 00:28:00,881 --> 00:28:04,341 mean, you can look at the deal when you look at the, I think, the memory. 464 00:28:04,641 --> 00:28:08,381 So if you go with a 500 gigabyte, $69, I think that's reasonable. 465 00:28:08,401 --> 00:28:11,601 If you want to go with a four terabyte, it's $349. 466 00:28:11,601 --> 00:28:13,821 Go look at that online. 467 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,340 Reiki says, is that a Series X? 468 00:28:16,340 --> 00:28:19,140 No, think this is much smaller than a Series X. 469 00:28:19,140 --> 00:28:20,580 Like, can you pull up a size comparison? 470 00:28:20,580 --> 00:28:23,520 I think Linus has a picture of it in his hands. 471 00:28:24,103 --> 00:28:24,614 No, we don't. 472 00:28:24,614 --> 00:28:25,336 Well, we can. 473 00:28:25,336 --> 00:28:28,042 Or we could just go look at the banana comparison right here. 474 00:28:28,042 --> 00:28:30,105 This is the comparison right here. 475 00:28:30,668 --> 00:28:31,400 So. 476 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:38,395 like, it's like as tall as two soda cans and like as wide as one or like one and like 477 00:28:38,395 --> 00:28:39,567 of a balls. 478 00:28:40,848 --> 00:28:45,653 So I love their, by the way, I love their comparisons here. 479 00:28:45,653 --> 00:28:46,814 I did a stream on this this week. 480 00:28:46,814 --> 00:28:52,019 So like, did a bunch of research into this because once you showed this, I'm like, my gosh, it's a steam machine. 481 00:28:52,019 --> 00:29:02,393 And the game performance on this thing is awesome in the sense of like with cyberpunk, you're going to be looking at, let's say 1440p quality high. 482 00:29:02,393 --> 00:29:12,106 you're looking at 70 frames per second average, which I think is pretty honestly really good for an APU. 483 00:29:12,106 --> 00:29:14,629 So I'm pretty excited. 484 00:29:15,068 --> 00:29:20,348 these particular APUs have like 4060, 4070 mobile performance. 485 00:29:20,968 --> 00:29:22,708 Am I correct? 486 00:29:24,508 --> 00:29:29,533 4060 performance, but they do compare to 4070 down here. 487 00:29:30,413 --> 00:29:38,117 But that's a 4070 laptop, but I'm hearing like 4060 like desktop performance potentially, but. 488 00:29:39,310 --> 00:29:43,073 I found the dimensions of the series X. 489 00:29:43,614 --> 00:29:48,816 It's 15 centimeters square by 30 centimeters tall. 490 00:29:48,816 --> 00:29:49,557 Right? 491 00:29:49,557 --> 00:30:04,125 So also another thing too is that I've heard that there are some limitations in regards to AMD trying to get, because I think Framework did try to have modular, like, soda memory in 492 00:30:04,125 --> 00:30:05,756 this, but they couldn't get it working. 493 00:30:05,756 --> 00:30:08,087 It wasn't fast enough, essentially. 494 00:30:08,087 --> 00:30:10,239 It was faster if they just saw out of the memory. 495 00:30:10,239 --> 00:30:14,514 This is one of the reasons why Mac does that too. 496 00:30:14,514 --> 00:30:16,436 it sucks for upgradability. 497 00:30:16,436 --> 00:30:22,242 I agree with the premise that frameworks all about longevity, right? 498 00:30:22,242 --> 00:30:32,632 It's all about swapping it out however you want, be able to swap out potentially like a different, let's say GPU later on, like their laptops have little ports for that. 499 00:30:32,732 --> 00:30:33,733 This... 500 00:30:34,193 --> 00:30:36,754 If you're gonna swap, this is a little bit different beast. 501 00:30:36,754 --> 00:30:45,609 If you're gonna swap it out, you're gonna have to swap out the whole internals because from my understanding, I don't even think the APU, I think the APU is essentially stuck on 502 00:30:45,609 --> 00:30:45,819 there. 503 00:30:45,819 --> 00:30:48,060 Like you're stuck with APU, the RAM. 504 00:30:48,060 --> 00:30:55,948 The only thing you can upgrade is the ports, the outside and the hard drive. 505 00:30:55,948 --> 00:30:56,677 But. 506 00:30:56,677 --> 00:31:00,393 yeah, Juan, how much is the motherboard by itself? 507 00:31:00,393 --> 00:31:05,692 Because I believe the motherboard itself is just a standard, like it's standard size ITX. 508 00:31:05,692 --> 00:31:08,195 So like you could stick this in an ITX case. 509 00:31:08,413 --> 00:31:09,822 this is a mini ITX. 510 00:31:09,822 --> 00:31:11,673 But yeah, so. 511 00:31:13,134 --> 00:31:14,074 Yeah. 512 00:31:14,914 --> 00:31:23,327 So, yeah, no, you can you can throw it out, throw it into something else like there's I don't imagine why you couldn't do that, but there are like people need to start 513 00:31:23,327 --> 00:31:30,409 understanding there's reasons behind doing things before they get upset and not everything is to price gouge you. 514 00:31:30,409 --> 00:31:33,079 And that being said, if even if it is, it's a competitive thing. 515 00:31:33,079 --> 00:31:36,250 Go buy a different computer, in my opinion. 516 00:31:36,388 --> 00:31:39,389 I'm not a framework simp or anything like that. 517 00:31:39,610 --> 00:31:44,272 like what they've done, but I've never been overly excited about anything until I saw this. 518 00:31:45,433 --> 00:31:53,158 One of the cool things too, I know this is supposed to be Next Fest stuff, is that you can cluster them. 519 00:31:53,158 --> 00:31:57,200 And I think that is awesome. 520 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:02,093 This is a real competitor for machine learning and AI for the Mac mini. 521 00:32:02,093 --> 00:32:04,604 The Mac mini, you can do this too, but. 522 00:32:04,670 --> 00:32:10,232 For price to performance, I guarantee this thing's gonna potentially beat it because of that RAM size. 523 00:32:10,232 --> 00:32:12,503 we'll have to see, we'll have to see. 524 00:32:12,503 --> 00:32:16,783 Welcome Steam, wait, is his name just Steam? 525 00:32:17,443 --> 00:32:21,683 Or, oh, I don't see the flow part on the chat, whatever. 526 00:32:21,683 --> 00:32:23,083 But hey, Steam flow. 527 00:32:23,397 --> 00:32:24,357 Hello. 528 00:32:25,639 --> 00:32:33,464 The thing about this, the framework desktop, is honestly I don't like the chassis design. 529 00:32:33,464 --> 00:32:36,465 Like I think it's kind of basic. 530 00:32:37,266 --> 00:32:40,709 So if I were to get one of these, I'd just get the bare board, you know? 531 00:32:40,709 --> 00:32:46,513 Like I would just get the bare board, which you you can get like the laptop boards and stuff. 532 00:32:46,513 --> 00:32:52,999 So I'm assuming you'll probably be able to get just the boards with the, you know, you could. 533 00:32:52,999 --> 00:32:58,333 put whatever modules, M2 modules on there you want or whatever. 534 00:32:58,454 --> 00:33:05,851 And then I'd probably like 3D print like a rack mountable chassis for it, know, something that would be sick. 535 00:33:05,851 --> 00:33:10,244 You get two of those, you network them together, you have a little rack mounted cluster. 536 00:33:11,226 --> 00:33:13,168 That's what gets me excited about this. 537 00:33:13,168 --> 00:33:14,857 I think that's gonna be cool. 538 00:33:14,857 --> 00:33:16,583 James, can you pull up the motherboard? 539 00:33:16,583 --> 00:33:18,120 I want to see the motherboard. 540 00:33:18,245 --> 00:33:20,030 I don't know if they're selling. 541 00:33:20,030 --> 00:33:21,150 yeah, yeah, right. 542 00:33:21,150 --> 00:33:29,364 So I would, personally don't like, this is one of biggest problems with framework is I don't think any of their stuff looks good. 543 00:33:29,364 --> 00:33:35,326 Personally, it looks like the 90s plastic-y stuff and I just don't like it. 544 00:33:35,487 --> 00:33:42,380 I would probably be getting a special plastic spray paint or getting a kit and actually have, like this would be me modding this. 545 00:33:42,380 --> 00:33:44,010 I'd have fun designing it. 546 00:33:44,010 --> 00:33:46,221 So I agree. 547 00:33:46,221 --> 00:33:47,782 That doesn't look good. 548 00:33:47,956 --> 00:33:52,657 13 and I think that it is the nicest looking laptop I've ever used. 549 00:33:52,657 --> 00:34:01,723 Like, I like it better than the the Mac Air, the M1 Mac Air that I had. 550 00:34:02,323 --> 00:34:04,514 This is like it's so nice. 551 00:34:04,514 --> 00:34:06,105 It's it's all aluminum. 552 00:34:06,105 --> 00:34:12,749 The biggest issue that I have with it is like if I'm sitting on my lap without like my little laptop. 553 00:34:13,812 --> 00:34:14,621 Hmm. 554 00:34:14,621 --> 00:34:19,181 that I have, then the chassis is a little flexible. 555 00:34:19,181 --> 00:34:29,701 so sometimes the physical switch for clicking the button, like clicking the mouse doesn't enact, like doesn't actuate, I guess. 556 00:34:29,701 --> 00:34:30,661 Yeah. 557 00:34:30,661 --> 00:34:33,781 So but other than that, like I really love the design. 558 00:34:33,781 --> 00:34:34,701 I love the finish of it. 559 00:34:34,701 --> 00:34:36,221 I think that it's great. 560 00:34:36,221 --> 00:34:41,701 And and the laptop 12 I'm actually really excited for. 561 00:34:41,701 --> 00:34:42,661 I think like 562 00:34:42,661 --> 00:34:54,767 If they can get the right price point on the laptop 12, then I think that it's going to have a major impact on getting their brand out in front of people, making their 563 00:34:54,807 --> 00:34:57,228 repairability more accessible to folks. 564 00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:59,730 And I think that it looks really cool. 565 00:34:59,730 --> 00:35:06,093 Like it is more plasticky though, like you said, James, but I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing. 566 00:35:06,328 --> 00:35:20,048 the 13 definitely is the better of the ones I've seen I haven't held one obvious like so I can't say like it's the worst But I've never I mean, okay, it's not too bad I'm watching 567 00:35:20,048 --> 00:35:32,588 this now and I'm like the 13 definitely is the better of the ones I've seen I Just I don't know the MacBooks I have always improved and they're so good at least in the way that they 568 00:35:32,588 --> 00:35:34,288 look personally 569 00:35:34,752 --> 00:35:42,045 But this is the best of both worlds almost is that that's the one thing I don't like about the MacBook is it's not customizable. 570 00:35:42,045 --> 00:35:51,929 But I've gotten into this flow of my life of I want something that's going to be easy for work because I do a lot of development and a lot of other things. 571 00:35:51,929 --> 00:35:53,260 I just want those things to work. 572 00:35:53,260 --> 00:35:55,100 And then I want my play devices. 573 00:35:55,141 --> 00:35:57,362 My my laptop is not my play device. 574 00:35:57,362 --> 00:36:01,163 It is needs to be the device that is just on the go. 575 00:36:01,163 --> 00:36:03,604 And I can always expect it to be what it is. 576 00:36:04,498 --> 00:36:07,804 That's why I like the desktop is that it's my play device. 577 00:36:07,804 --> 00:36:12,381 I can throw it into the living room, have fun with it, spray paint it, have my kids put stickers on. 578 00:36:12,381 --> 00:36:15,095 It just seems like the perfect one for me for right now. 579 00:36:15,095 --> 00:36:17,416 Also, one more thing too, customization. 580 00:36:17,416 --> 00:36:27,502 So the front panel can actually be customized with 3D printed or you can purchase it from them, but you can customize it with little front panels that you can buy from them or 3D 581 00:36:27,502 --> 00:36:28,342 print. 582 00:36:28,442 --> 00:36:32,555 And I've seen Linus, he put a logo for Bazite. 583 00:36:32,555 --> 00:36:34,966 Wait, do they sell a Bazite logo on there? 584 00:36:35,646 --> 00:36:36,847 They don't. 585 00:36:37,868 --> 00:36:38,928 You just... 586 00:36:39,989 --> 00:36:42,970 You gotta load it up. 587 00:36:44,584 --> 00:36:54,818 Make all you got to load up with all like Arch Linux All Arch Linux tiles did you I let him know that you use arch by the way 588 00:36:54,818 --> 00:37:09,645 Yeah, you have to get like, like, like Scrabble tile style and then says BTW asterisk I asterisk use and then arch arch arch arch arch arch arch arch arch all the way down. 589 00:37:10,666 --> 00:37:12,048 So one more thing too, one more thing too. 590 00:37:12,048 --> 00:37:19,619 So I know we talked about putting the motherboard in a standard ITX case potentially, but how would front IO work? 591 00:37:19,619 --> 00:37:27,381 Cause I don't think I saw any pinouts for like standard IO ports on the motherboard itself. 592 00:37:27,381 --> 00:37:29,083 That's, it probably does. 593 00:37:29,083 --> 00:37:40,577 I'd be shocked if they did a custom board that was like, that went away from typical IO ports, but, we'd have to look into it some more. 594 00:37:40,577 --> 00:37:44,091 to be fair though, the motherboard is designed for these framework-like front I.O. 595 00:37:44,091 --> 00:37:44,773 ports here. 596 00:37:44,773 --> 00:37:47,154 Well, I doubt these, let me look at this. 597 00:37:47,154 --> 00:37:49,915 It's a USB-C port right there. 598 00:37:49,915 --> 00:37:51,813 Like there's different ones. 599 00:37:51,813 --> 00:37:55,236 I think they're all like this. 600 00:37:55,437 --> 00:37:57,197 Yes, USB-C. 601 00:37:57,457 --> 00:38:08,520 So on the other side, I would be shocked if they didn't have the pins that go into the main board be a typical IO set of like USB. 602 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:14,374 if you go to the motherboard image. 603 00:38:15,309 --> 00:38:17,041 Let's see, I gotta get out of here. 604 00:38:17,041 --> 00:38:18,274 Which one's that? 605 00:38:20,074 --> 00:38:22,695 Scroll down, scroll down, keep going. 606 00:38:23,576 --> 00:38:24,876 Keep going. 607 00:38:25,616 --> 00:38:26,816 Keep going. 608 00:38:28,317 --> 00:38:32,698 There's one where they're like placing it in a case right there, that one. 609 00:38:32,698 --> 00:38:38,580 So if you see like there's like the 24 pin and the eight pin Molex connectors. 610 00:38:39,420 --> 00:38:39,900 Yeah. 611 00:38:39,900 --> 00:38:45,682 And then there's like if you follow those down to the bottom left edge. 612 00:38:46,392 --> 00:38:52,702 You can see there's two USB type 3.2 Gen 2 headers. 613 00:38:53,326 --> 00:38:54,218 I do see those. 614 00:38:54,218 --> 00:39:01,497 And it looks like they have two USB type C headers on the side, right, the top right or top left in this case. 615 00:39:01,497 --> 00:39:07,665 And it looks like they have a PCIe, like, eight, like, by eight connector? 616 00:39:07,665 --> 00:39:10,998 I'm not sure, I'm not sure the length of this one, the PCI connector. 617 00:39:11,346 --> 00:39:13,104 That looks by 8, yeah. 618 00:39:13,557 --> 00:39:14,737 It's eight. 619 00:39:15,357 --> 00:39:18,057 So no, this is looking very standard. 620 00:39:18,057 --> 00:39:19,417 So you have a PCI. 621 00:39:19,417 --> 00:39:21,228 You have a bunch of other. 622 00:39:21,228 --> 00:39:27,488 It looks like a typical ATX, in my opinion, in that they didn't do anything custom. 623 00:39:27,548 --> 00:39:29,468 And that's what I'm liking about this, like more and more. 624 00:39:29,468 --> 00:39:37,608 This is feeling like the high end Raspberry Pi to me, where the Raspberry Pi has never been powerful enough for me to experiment with this. 625 00:39:37,908 --> 00:39:40,448 The performance that this is going to give me is exactly what I want. 626 00:39:40,448 --> 00:39:41,600 And I can do a 627 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,562 of different videos, a ton of different things and have fun with this thing for a while. 628 00:39:45,562 --> 00:39:51,948 I can do AI modeling, I can do my steam machine stuff that I want to do with that. 629 00:39:51,948 --> 00:39:58,593 With SteamOS coming out, this would be fun way to write it, especially since it's AMD, it's probably going to be much more compatible with SteamOS. 630 00:39:58,593 --> 00:40:00,935 Or if it's not, Bazite, right? 631 00:40:00,935 --> 00:40:03,107 So I'm here for it. 632 00:40:03,107 --> 00:40:06,667 You can make a media server out of this too, because it has a little PCIe card. 633 00:40:06,667 --> 00:40:11,827 You can stick with a network-naked PCIe slot. 634 00:40:12,247 --> 00:40:13,002 Or better. 635 00:40:13,002 --> 00:40:16,197 two 5 gigabit NICs in it? 636 00:40:16,197 --> 00:40:18,565 Two 5 gigabit NICs on the back, right? 637 00:40:18,565 --> 00:40:19,977 to tend to get to make. 638 00:40:20,939 --> 00:40:22,720 You could put that in there too. 639 00:40:23,842 --> 00:40:29,868 Or or like an or you could do or you could like turn into a router, add more fat war ports to it. 640 00:40:31,130 --> 00:40:32,572 Neither a lot, yeah. 641 00:40:32,572 --> 00:40:33,592 it is expensive, though. 642 00:40:33,592 --> 00:40:35,392 It's not like it's six hundred dollars. 643 00:40:35,392 --> 00:40:36,632 It is a little pricey. 644 00:40:36,632 --> 00:40:37,952 It starts at a thousand dollars. 645 00:40:37,952 --> 00:40:46,072 But I plan on getting one of these in a Mac mini and kind of like gluing them together and having a fun combo box. 646 00:40:46,455 --> 00:40:51,404 I think the only thing you couldn't do is make a high capacity NAS unless you bought a bunch of like 647 00:40:51,404 --> 00:40:52,814 HBA boards, I believe. 648 00:40:52,814 --> 00:40:53,111 don't know. 649 00:40:53,111 --> 00:40:53,935 I don't fucking know. 650 00:40:53,935 --> 00:40:56,695 It really depends on what you're trying to do. 651 00:40:56,695 --> 00:41:07,515 you can with the USB-C alone, you can get some pretty good performance out of it with a lot of different NAS setups, but you wouldn't be able to put them into the you'd have to 652 00:41:07,515 --> 00:41:11,415 have external and then including like I want to get like to upgrade this eGPU wise. 653 00:41:11,415 --> 00:41:12,335 Right. 654 00:41:12,635 --> 00:41:14,235 I could remove my 39. 655 00:41:14,235 --> 00:41:22,391 It's a it's a it's the perfect playpen for me and what I want to do right now and eGPUs. 656 00:41:22,391 --> 00:41:31,801 Like I really want to invest in eGBU so that I can play with them on my steam, like, well, not Steam Deck, but hopefully Steam Deck two has used before. 657 00:41:31,801 --> 00:41:44,323 But my other portable devices, this and just kind of go a little bit smaller and more reusable, I guess I should say with my tech instead of having a huge tower. 658 00:41:44,323 --> 00:41:46,296 I'm kind of going away from that, at least this year. 659 00:41:46,296 --> 00:41:47,616 So I'm excited. 660 00:41:47,617 --> 00:41:50,598 I know we've probably way over killed this topic. 661 00:41:51,979 --> 00:41:53,579 And I'm with Rachie. 662 00:41:53,579 --> 00:41:57,942 Rachie mentions, I'm 27 and feel so old and tired of the GPU market. 663 00:41:57,942 --> 00:42:01,103 I will just get the next gen console in a year or two. 664 00:42:01,563 --> 00:42:09,227 That's how it's feeling a little bit for me to partially, but I don't wanna go to the next console, cause I don't feel like consoles are doing enough. 665 00:42:09,227 --> 00:42:10,567 I want this to be my console. 666 00:42:10,567 --> 00:42:12,028 I want this to be. 667 00:42:12,985 --> 00:42:18,810 My co-op box that I'm going to play with my kids to a bunch of old games, but a bunch of new games, too. 668 00:42:18,810 --> 00:42:21,722 So I feel that GPU. 669 00:42:21,722 --> 00:42:23,324 It's still fun to look into it. 670 00:42:23,324 --> 00:42:28,018 And if I was able to do some reviews on new GPUs, I would I would enjoy it. 671 00:42:28,018 --> 00:42:34,445 But my day to day life, I just don't care for high end GPUs right now. 672 00:42:34,445 --> 00:42:34,822 So. 673 00:42:34,822 --> 00:42:36,213 Honestly, I agree. 674 00:42:36,725 --> 00:42:37,526 can also stick this. 675 00:42:37,526 --> 00:42:39,921 You can also stick the motherboard in like an arcade machine. 676 00:42:39,921 --> 00:42:40,835 that would be sick. 677 00:42:40,835 --> 00:42:48,103 Yeah, but you'd have to find some sort of way to convert it to like a VGA connection or a SCART connection. 678 00:42:49,025 --> 00:42:50,767 But they have conversion kits. 679 00:42:50,917 --> 00:42:59,424 they have conversions because almost everything's possible these days with this type of stuff and because it has so much standard IO on it I think you're not gonna have any 680 00:42:59,424 --> 00:42:59,674 issues. 681 00:42:59,674 --> 00:43:01,505 That's what I'm excited for for this. 682 00:43:01,505 --> 00:43:09,031 This is a very powerful small Mini ITX board that can do a lot. 683 00:43:09,031 --> 00:43:14,134 It's a lot of power and a little I like the carrying handle 684 00:43:16,118 --> 00:43:27,124 Honestly, this is going to replace like this will have the same power I'm actually curious on how this will compare to some of the consoles, but I'm hoping this has I'd have to look 685 00:43:27,124 --> 00:43:27,525 at that now. 686 00:43:27,525 --> 00:43:29,556 I'm hoping that this has 687 00:43:30,543 --> 00:43:39,825 the fact that it has a by eight slot and it has like the USB-C headers, this is essentially a console motherboard. 688 00:43:40,186 --> 00:43:48,528 It's got soldered RAM, you can't change the CPU and it's an APU and it's by AMD. 689 00:43:48,528 --> 00:43:51,889 It's essentially next gen console hardware. 690 00:43:52,109 --> 00:43:52,970 Yeah. 691 00:43:53,150 --> 00:44:04,017 So maybe with some optimizations, you could be even better than the PlayStation 5, which is highly optimized and but like that RAM is is sexy for me. 692 00:44:04,017 --> 00:44:08,411 Like I really like how much RAM is in there for multitasking. 693 00:44:08,411 --> 00:44:10,171 Yeah, we go back up to the performance. 694 00:44:10,171 --> 00:44:11,391 mentioned the button. 695 00:44:11,391 --> 00:44:14,171 They mentioned from, uh, yeah, click on gaming. 696 00:44:15,331 --> 00:44:17,231 Yeah, let's look at that. 697 00:44:17,231 --> 00:44:22,230 Can you run cyberpunk at 78 FPS on a PS five? 698 00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:23,355 You don't, I don't know. 699 00:44:23,355 --> 00:44:23,818 Can you run out? 700 00:44:23,818 --> 00:44:25,667 Can you even run out 60 on the PS5? 701 00:44:26,392 --> 00:44:28,532 It probably runs downscaled at 10. 702 00:44:28,532 --> 00:44:34,992 It probably runs at 1080 and then upscales to 1440 or 4K, depending. 703 00:44:34,992 --> 00:44:36,852 And it probably doesn't run at 70. 704 00:44:36,852 --> 00:44:38,772 I'd be shocked if it ran at 70. 705 00:44:38,772 --> 00:44:43,312 It probably runs at like between 30 and 60. 706 00:44:43,491 --> 00:44:45,412 Yeah, like look at these numbers, man. 707 00:44:45,412 --> 00:44:46,325 They look so nice. 708 00:44:46,325 --> 00:44:47,457 They look so nice. 709 00:44:47,457 --> 00:44:50,260 Like you can run games at like... 710 00:44:51,382 --> 00:44:54,276 It does mention Monster Hunter Wilds is run with frame gen on, which is... 711 00:44:54,276 --> 00:44:56,909 Yeah, frame generation. 712 00:44:57,590 --> 00:45:00,938 I think it's defaulted to on or something like that. 713 00:45:00,938 --> 00:45:02,731 Yeah, it's interesting. 714 00:45:02,863 --> 00:45:04,127 God damn it. 715 00:45:04,423 --> 00:45:05,164 I don't know. 716 00:45:05,164 --> 00:45:06,765 I mean, it's set to Ultra though. 717 00:45:06,765 --> 00:45:12,110 That's the thing that like that it kind of impresses me with Cyberpunk high and without frame gen. 718 00:45:12,110 --> 00:45:16,033 You throw frame gen on you can be playing 4K at these numbers. 719 00:45:16,033 --> 00:45:17,884 That's pretty cool for me. 720 00:45:17,884 --> 00:45:25,060 I'm fine playing frame gen with with the with with Cyberpunk doesn't bother me. 721 00:45:25,060 --> 00:45:32,046 Some games do like I've mentioned, but Valorant plays that 250 plus. 722 00:45:32,426 --> 00:45:34,768 The only bad side is it's a virus. 723 00:45:35,483 --> 00:45:42,823 Dude, you can play Valorant on PS5 at 200 and so FPS. 724 00:45:42,823 --> 00:45:45,123 can probably only play at most like 120. 725 00:45:45,683 --> 00:45:49,843 But I think they are making a console version of Valorant. 726 00:45:49,843 --> 00:45:51,174 I do remember this. 727 00:45:51,174 --> 00:45:54,394 They say Steamflow says, doesn't mention anything about ray tracing. 728 00:45:54,614 --> 00:45:55,894 That is true. 729 00:45:55,894 --> 00:45:57,474 They didn't mention anything about ray tracing. 730 00:45:57,474 --> 00:46:03,114 You'd have to try out a ray tracing forced game like Indiana Jones, I believe. 731 00:46:03,392 --> 00:46:04,608 requires ray tracing. 732 00:46:04,608 --> 00:46:08,525 Like, you cannot turn ray tracing off because the entire game is designed around it. 733 00:46:09,494 --> 00:46:21,168 So AMD's new architecture, this is based on AMD's new architecture, does ray-chasing fine, but I think we're gonna understand more what this is capable of when the 9070 series comes 734 00:46:21,168 --> 00:46:22,960 out, because I think it's the same gen, right? 735 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:23,871 And so... 736 00:46:25,086 --> 00:46:25,967 So 737 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:33,407 I don't have a lot of hope, but at the same time, I don't think a lot of people care about ray tracing these days like it. 738 00:46:34,829 --> 00:46:40,915 If it's forced like Indiana Jones and the way Indiana Jones performs anyways, I think I'll run fine on this. 739 00:46:41,468 --> 00:46:47,958 And don't forget that Indiana Jones was designed for the current gen consoles and those are AMD hardware. 740 00:46:47,958 --> 00:46:54,247 So it's like, and that's basically the Steam Decks GPU, you know, so. 741 00:46:54,380 --> 00:47:02,924 AMD is doing a lot of the things right and if like to be fair like AMD owns everything except for the high-end GPU market which is interesting. 742 00:47:02,924 --> 00:47:07,447 And I believe, and I believe Indiana Jones is also an impact, if I'm not mistaken. 743 00:47:07,447 --> 00:47:08,590 Is a what? 744 00:47:09,206 --> 00:47:09,670 Intek. 745 00:47:09,670 --> 00:47:12,977 it's developed machine games and I believe they use id tech. 746 00:47:12,977 --> 00:47:14,087 Interesting. 747 00:47:14,148 --> 00:47:18,910 Yeah, so I don't know what I can't. 748 00:47:18,910 --> 00:47:21,321 I'm fanboying over this so much. 749 00:47:21,321 --> 00:47:22,812 I want to get one. 750 00:47:23,633 --> 00:47:24,853 So bad. 751 00:47:24,994 --> 00:47:27,775 And it's because of all the stuff you can do with it. 752 00:47:27,775 --> 00:47:33,078 And I don't care about soldered memory like 128 is going to be plenty. 753 00:47:33,078 --> 00:47:37,160 The only problem is, you know, the 128 is going to last a while. 754 00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:38,881 It'd be nice to able to swap out that APU. 755 00:47:38,881 --> 00:47:39,721 But who knows? 756 00:47:39,721 --> 00:47:41,142 Maybe there'll be a mod. 757 00:47:41,142 --> 00:47:43,183 Maybe someone can desolder it and 758 00:47:43,251 --> 00:47:45,316 do something who knows we'll see. 759 00:47:45,334 --> 00:47:48,003 Yeah, apparently it is on EdTech. 760 00:47:48,003 --> 00:47:51,713 It's on a custom version of EdTech that MachineGames has. 761 00:47:52,050 --> 00:47:52,843 Mm-hmm. 762 00:47:53,538 --> 00:47:55,224 But yeah man, Intek is nice. 763 00:47:55,224 --> 00:47:56,367 It's real good shit. 764 00:47:56,367 --> 00:47:58,594 I think Microsoft should use it more. 765 00:47:58,594 --> 00:47:59,394 Yeah. 766 00:48:00,237 --> 00:48:01,247 Yeah, no. 767 00:48:01,247 --> 00:48:02,650 Well, they own it now. 768 00:48:04,011 --> 00:48:05,295 That's what I was saying. 769 00:48:05,295 --> 00:48:10,354 Yeah, maybe they should make Halo 7 on InTech instead of Unreal. 770 00:48:10,354 --> 00:48:16,466 I am curious, before we kind of close this off and I'm going to start streaming one of the games I have. 771 00:48:18,484 --> 00:48:23,049 Or like, know, streaming it from my Steam Deck to my thing and sharing it. 772 00:48:23,049 --> 00:48:24,029 What? 773 00:48:25,610 --> 00:48:31,092 Which version would you get if you were to get one of these and you did have to pay for it and everything? 774 00:48:31,092 --> 00:48:32,183 What would you choose? 775 00:48:32,183 --> 00:48:33,552 I would probably 776 00:48:33,552 --> 00:48:36,035 go with the 128 gig. 777 00:48:36,391 --> 00:48:42,444 I think it would probably be able to replace my desktop here in pretty much every way. 778 00:48:43,366 --> 00:48:49,337 So, and I don't want to downgrade, so I'd stick with the 128 gig. 779 00:48:49,337 --> 00:48:57,453 Well, when you put it like that, I was going to go with number two, but number three just seems so appealing. 780 00:48:57,908 --> 00:49:03,944 Here's my thing, HiTech, what do you need the 128 gigabytes of RAM for? 781 00:49:04,005 --> 00:49:08,099 Is it for just being able to do a lot of different things or do you have something in mind? 782 00:49:08,099 --> 00:49:19,421 For me, I'd be using it for, or I might not use it for LLMs like AI at the beginning, but I would probably retire this at the end of the year into my AI system. 783 00:49:19,421 --> 00:49:20,533 What would you use it for? 784 00:49:20,533 --> 00:49:23,835 see lots of video editing and just having things on the background. 785 00:49:23,835 --> 00:49:27,558 Like I have 32 gigabytes of RAM in my system right now. 786 00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:34,182 And when I, when I launch DaVinci Resolve to edit videos, it uses all of my memory. 787 00:49:34,803 --> 00:49:37,765 And so I might be feed it a little bit more, you know I'm saying? 788 00:49:37,926 --> 00:49:44,310 And also the, you know, the ability to give your GPU like a lot more VRAM too also kind of helps too. 789 00:49:44,310 --> 00:49:47,412 So if you, you, yeah. 790 00:49:47,412 --> 00:49:48,387 nice thing. 791 00:49:48,464 --> 00:49:56,054 is that it's shared RAM and that's why they soldered it is because they needed to be fast as possible because sharing RAM is one of the cruxes of an APU. 792 00:49:56,054 --> 00:50:03,185 But so the faster you can get that that bridge, the better. 793 00:50:03,185 --> 00:50:11,058 Yeah, but while framework is killing it, some other things are being killed as we speak. 794 00:50:11,058 --> 00:50:12,299 Any guesses? 795 00:50:13,121 --> 00:50:15,003 I think you guys know what I'm referring to. 796 00:50:16,872 --> 00:50:19,552 Are you talking about f- 797 00:50:19,552 --> 00:50:20,564 is canceled? 798 00:50:20,564 --> 00:50:22,307 that what you're talking about? 799 00:50:22,307 --> 00:50:24,414 No, not this D deck too, man. 800 00:50:24,414 --> 00:50:28,426 It's fucking Half-Life 2 episode 3 all over again. 801 00:50:28,675 --> 00:50:29,670 Ha ha ha. 802 00:50:30,326 --> 00:50:32,694 let's not bring up that that went too far. 803 00:50:32,694 --> 00:50:33,875 Okay, let's. 804 00:50:34,767 --> 00:50:43,658 But um, yeah, so I know you guys know who Mozilla is, but do you think Gen Z knows who Mozilla is? 805 00:50:43,658 --> 00:50:47,718 No worry, the generation after that is not gonna know who Mozilla is after this move. 806 00:50:48,141 --> 00:50:48,686 Mm. 807 00:50:48,686 --> 00:50:50,027 Mozilla. 808 00:50:50,078 --> 00:50:56,058 Yeah, they make Firefox and Thunderbird and a bunch of other shit. 809 00:50:56,058 --> 00:50:56,477 don't know. 810 00:50:56,477 --> 00:50:56,959 right. 811 00:50:56,959 --> 00:50:58,196 Did you make Thunderbird? 812 00:50:58,196 --> 00:51:00,274 my gosh, I haven't used that in decade. 813 00:51:00,552 --> 00:51:01,044 So. 814 00:51:01,044 --> 00:51:03,359 That's still my male client, a Thunderbird. 815 00:51:03,359 --> 00:51:10,397 So Gardener, what would you say is the number one selling point of Firefox these days? 816 00:51:10,397 --> 00:51:11,637 well, there's a couple things. 817 00:51:11,637 --> 00:51:12,819 Privacy is one of them. 818 00:51:12,819 --> 00:51:16,422 Not being based on Google Chrome is another one for me. 819 00:51:16,422 --> 00:51:20,945 It's like the only independent browser-ish. 820 00:51:20,945 --> 00:51:23,346 It's like not controlled by big tech. 821 00:51:23,546 --> 00:51:25,527 So I don't know. 822 00:51:25,527 --> 00:51:27,108 Those are my two things. 823 00:51:27,692 --> 00:51:28,505 Yeah. 824 00:51:28,505 --> 00:51:33,862 So how would you feel if one of those were tilled off, namely the privacy portion, I mean? 825 00:51:33,862 --> 00:51:36,691 You know, I'd probably switch over to something like Ice Weasel. 826 00:51:36,691 --> 00:51:40,184 So, here's a quote from Mozilla back in the day. 827 00:51:40,184 --> 00:51:45,749 Nope, never have, never will, and we will protect you from many of the advertisers who do. 828 00:51:45,749 --> 00:51:48,631 Firefox products are designed to protect your privacy. 829 00:51:48,631 --> 00:51:50,092 That's a promise. 830 00:51:51,093 --> 00:51:54,756 Yes, has, will, and won't protect you from Mozilla themselves. 831 00:51:54,756 --> 00:51:57,518 Promises were made to be broken. 832 00:51:57,518 --> 00:52:00,421 So, enough messing around. 833 00:52:00,421 --> 00:52:04,357 They killed off a clause in their mission statement about privacy. 834 00:52:04,357 --> 00:52:08,890 Mainly the whole selling data to advertisers portion. 835 00:52:08,890 --> 00:52:16,945 think, and I mean, part of this is due to the fact that they're losing Google as like one of their biggest like sources of income. 836 00:52:17,857 --> 00:52:21,798 they're a big company and they need to make money somehow and this is the crux. 837 00:52:21,798 --> 00:52:26,819 This is, I think the thing that people don't understand sometimes that things aren't free. 838 00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:36,472 So they either need a restructure or they need to sell stuff off, which seems like maybe the wrong way to go because that was a huge part of why people use Firefox, right? 839 00:52:36,472 --> 00:52:43,716 And so, but I'm curious, what could they have done to replace that income from Google? 840 00:52:43,716 --> 00:52:45,376 Well, here's the deal. 841 00:52:45,376 --> 00:52:51,918 Okay, I know a lot of people are freaking out about this and this is potentially disastrous, right? 842 00:52:51,918 --> 00:53:04,502 However, what Firefox, what Mozilla has been trying to do over last few years when it comes to ethical online advertising has actually been innovative and interesting. 843 00:53:04,502 --> 00:53:05,572 It hasn't been flawless. 844 00:53:05,572 --> 00:53:09,583 There's been a lot of issues with what they've been doing, but they also 845 00:53:10,053 --> 00:53:17,919 there's the potential here that changing their policy on this could open the door to them. 846 00:53:18,601 --> 00:53:21,383 Improving the state of advertising online. 847 00:53:21,383 --> 00:53:23,184 Not saying that's going to happen. 848 00:53:23,184 --> 00:53:29,975 There's a lot of wiggle room here that could lead to no major browsers protecting your privacy in any way, or form. 849 00:53:29,975 --> 00:53:36,387 But if Mozilla can do this, if they can pull off what they've been trying to do, I'm all here for it. 850 00:53:36,387 --> 00:53:43,512 Rachi said, I will give my data and first go to China if they give me stuff for free. 851 00:53:44,214 --> 00:53:45,037 Yeah 852 00:53:45,037 --> 00:53:46,948 That's, you know what? 853 00:53:46,948 --> 00:53:48,290 There's a lot of people that think that way. 854 00:53:48,290 --> 00:53:53,676 And some people don't understand that something free comes at a price, no matter what. 855 00:53:54,257 --> 00:53:58,411 And so I really get, I really get, I don't know, it's really weird. 856 00:53:58,411 --> 00:54:04,115 I really question when people are using something for free and then complain if it starts to become paid. 857 00:54:04,115 --> 00:54:06,808 Cause I'm like, well, okay. 858 00:54:06,808 --> 00:54:08,610 Or even, the privacy stuff. 859 00:54:08,610 --> 00:54:10,371 What do you think was gonna be? 860 00:54:10,976 --> 00:54:12,456 Like, how do you think they're making money? 861 00:54:12,456 --> 00:54:13,136 do you think? 862 00:54:13,136 --> 00:54:16,476 Servers are not cheap, despite what people say. 863 00:54:16,476 --> 00:54:18,456 Like, it comes at a price. 864 00:54:18,456 --> 00:54:21,396 That being said, transparency is key to this. 865 00:54:21,396 --> 00:54:29,076 And you shouldn't use a service unless they're transparent, or maybe have a pro version where they don't do any of that stuff, where you do pay for it. 866 00:54:29,076 --> 00:54:37,456 That's one of the things that, like with YouTube, I don't know how they collect my data, but at the end of the day, like, I don't have ads because I pay for it. 867 00:54:37,456 --> 00:54:38,884 I'm willing to do that. 868 00:54:38,928 --> 00:54:42,748 paying for a web browser in current era? 869 00:54:43,848 --> 00:54:48,028 Man, would you be a Firefox pro? 870 00:54:48,148 --> 00:54:51,728 What was like $20 a month probably. 871 00:54:51,868 --> 00:54:53,459 Oh, hey, it's Esoteric. 872 00:54:53,459 --> 00:54:54,241 here's the deal. 873 00:54:54,241 --> 00:54:55,661 I would pay. 874 00:54:55,999 --> 00:54:58,164 I don't think I'd pay a monthly fee. 875 00:54:58,164 --> 00:55:00,395 I might, but I don't think I don't know. 876 00:55:00,395 --> 00:55:09,411 I'd pay like several hundred dollars up front to like have a web browser that's guaranteed to not track my bullshit, you know, but. 877 00:55:09,411 --> 00:55:16,388 It just doesn't seem like a sustainable model when the competition is practicing, you know. 878 00:55:16,388 --> 00:55:20,471 the ad supported stuff like Google, Google controls everything. 879 00:55:20,471 --> 00:55:22,132 They're a vertical monopoly. 880 00:55:22,132 --> 00:55:23,453 So they have the browser. 881 00:55:23,453 --> 00:55:29,537 They have the technology that's like supposed to be replacing tracking cookies, but isn't going to. 882 00:55:29,537 --> 00:55:32,699 And they have like the actual advertising network, right? 883 00:55:32,699 --> 00:55:35,992 They own the whole stack and it's like, it's like Walmart, right? 884 00:55:35,992 --> 00:55:42,975 Like Walmart can go into any community, bankrupt their, their main street and become the singular retail fixture. 885 00:55:42,975 --> 00:55:46,967 because they control everything and they can undermine everyone else's prices. 886 00:55:46,967 --> 00:55:56,274 And that's the problem with the model that we have right now with web browsers is like, Microsoft has like their last click attribution hijacking that they're doing an edge. 887 00:55:56,274 --> 00:55:59,915 And that's how they're making money. 888 00:56:00,516 --> 00:56:00,937 Yep. 889 00:56:00,937 --> 00:56:02,162 And so like, 890 00:56:02,162 --> 00:56:04,173 I mean, it's a good racket to get into. 891 00:56:04,173 --> 00:56:06,145 You rip off everybody and make money from it. 892 00:56:06,145 --> 00:56:08,947 And Microsoft also has like tons of other business revenue. 893 00:56:08,947 --> 00:56:16,231 Firefox has just their browser and then a few other like services that they keep like killing off like Google. 894 00:56:16,231 --> 00:56:16,561 Right. 895 00:56:16,561 --> 00:56:19,252 So it's like, I don't know. 896 00:56:19,252 --> 00:56:28,857 Like, I think Firefox, think Mozilla should not have like been, yeah, we're basically just going to kill off our commitment to privacy, which is what a lot of people are 897 00:56:28,857 --> 00:56:29,437 interpreting it as. 898 00:56:29,437 --> 00:56:31,558 I don't know if that's exactly what they're saying. 899 00:56:31,614 --> 00:56:35,119 But I think that there is potential here for good. 900 00:56:35,119 --> 00:56:40,225 It's just that everyone's kind of on a we hate Mozilla bandwagon. 901 00:56:40,274 --> 00:56:41,285 I don't know. 902 00:56:41,285 --> 00:56:43,067 I'm keeping an open mind about this. 903 00:56:43,067 --> 00:56:44,575 I mean, yes, too. 904 00:56:44,575 --> 00:56:45,899 Yeah, sorry, go ahead. 905 00:56:46,276 --> 00:56:48,547 No, be careful, don't kill off something you like. 906 00:56:48,547 --> 00:56:50,379 Your other options are limited. 907 00:56:50,379 --> 00:56:52,601 The open source browsers just aren't as good. 908 00:56:52,601 --> 00:56:53,421 here's the thing. 909 00:56:53,421 --> 00:56:55,765 I use Chromium based browsers. 910 00:56:55,765 --> 00:57:01,330 Actually, I use Arc right now, which has a lot of privacy features. 911 00:57:01,330 --> 00:57:07,034 Arc is also kind of potentially getting killed off too, but that's because they're working on an AI browser, but it still works good. 912 00:57:07,034 --> 00:57:08,478 I might move over to... 913 00:57:08,478 --> 00:57:13,273 a different browser that's up and coming, is called, I don't have to look it up, but. 914 00:57:13,273 --> 00:57:16,264 It is called Zen Browser is a good one. 915 00:57:16,264 --> 00:57:18,699 It's based on Mozilla's Firefox though. 916 00:57:18,699 --> 00:57:20,700 I'm not as, here's the thing. 917 00:57:20,700 --> 00:57:23,768 I don't actually like the Firefox browser as much. 918 00:57:23,768 --> 00:57:25,682 I don't like their rendering engine and stuff. 919 00:57:25,682 --> 00:57:27,083 It's just, I'm not used to it. 920 00:57:27,083 --> 00:57:31,787 I'm used to Chromium and the intricacies that come with that or the issue or whatever. 921 00:57:31,787 --> 00:57:32,907 Same thing with Safari. 922 00:57:32,907 --> 00:57:34,628 Safari is fine and all. 923 00:57:34,852 --> 00:57:38,723 And it uses WebKit just like Chromium, I also just, yeah. 924 00:57:38,806 --> 00:57:41,011 So, yeah. 925 00:57:41,141 --> 00:57:43,183 mean, here's the thing though. 926 00:57:44,124 --> 00:57:48,488 If Mozilla dies, what will happen to all the Firefox like forks? 927 00:57:48,488 --> 00:57:52,251 Are they just going to also die as well because they're not getting updates from Mozilla? 928 00:57:53,002 --> 00:57:55,236 That's the cool thing about open source. 929 00:57:55,532 --> 00:57:56,246 Yeah. 930 00:57:56,246 --> 00:58:02,341 the thing, there's a cottage industry of content creators who do nothing but shit on Mozilla. 931 00:58:02,341 --> 00:58:13,268 I don't know if, I'm not gonna name names, but there's at least two pretty big names who do nothing but just undermine the reputation of Mozilla. 932 00:58:13,268 --> 00:58:19,073 And to be fair, there is a lot to criticize with Mozilla, but at the same time, like, 933 00:58:19,073 --> 00:58:20,248 Are they look? 934 00:58:20,248 --> 00:58:32,145 only companies left that's fighting the the chromium Monopoly you know like Microsoft was fighting with with the original version of edge, and then they kind of just gave up and 935 00:58:32,145 --> 00:58:45,905 and WebKit is fine, but it's also basically controlled by Apple right now so and and Apple's kind of stymieing the the progress of WebKit as well, so It's just we're in a 936 00:58:45,905 --> 00:58:46,497 really 937 00:58:46,497 --> 00:58:58,669 precarious place and we need to be really careful about like levying undue criticism like because really when when you do that when you like attack just for You know brownie points 938 00:58:58,669 --> 00:58:59,580 on the internet. 939 00:58:59,580 --> 00:59:05,386 You're not doing anyone any favors and and Firefox is I Don't know. 940 00:59:05,386 --> 00:59:06,779 It's it's my favorite browser 941 00:59:06,779 --> 00:59:17,629 Here's the thing, like you've been talking about, and like I mentioned, be careful, because you might kill off a whole set of projects that you're not planning to kill off. 942 00:59:17,629 --> 00:59:18,689 Be careful. 943 00:59:18,689 --> 00:59:20,250 You can criticize. 944 00:59:20,951 --> 00:59:25,085 You can be negative if you want, but don't go too far. 945 00:59:25,085 --> 00:59:33,322 And I'm seeing this more and more, and there's a couple of channels I'm not going to mention, even in the tech sphere, they only focus on negative, and I'm done with it. 946 00:59:33,583 --> 00:59:41,390 because if that's all you're focusing on, you don't see the good also that's coming from some of these companies, any of them. 947 00:59:41,390 --> 00:59:46,496 But that being said, I have a threshold, and like Nvidia's kinda hitting that threshold of like, what are you doing good? 948 00:59:46,496 --> 00:59:51,239 But Firefox is still producing a lot of good for the open source community. 949 00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:55,563 I would like be critical, but also, 950 00:59:55,831 --> 01:00:06,898 be understanding and don't just say, because they soldered the RAM onto the thing, it's obviously a money grab or because they're opening one little thing, like with Firefox, 951 01:00:06,898 --> 01:00:13,963 like opening up a potentially data collection, which I'll have look into that some more, but it doesn't mean that the whole thing is gone. 952 01:00:13,963 --> 01:00:15,644 Look into it, do some research. 953 01:00:15,644 --> 01:00:20,512 Don't just assume that it's just boycotting because you might end up ruining something you like. 954 01:00:20,512 --> 01:00:24,669 Remember, if you assume things, you make an ass out of yourself. 955 01:00:25,647 --> 01:00:25,998 Right. 956 01:00:25,998 --> 01:00:32,741 The thing is, like the article from Ars Technica mentioned, it's got this sensational headline, right? 957 01:00:32,741 --> 01:00:37,582 Firefox deletes promise to never sell your data, asks users not to panic. 958 01:00:37,582 --> 01:00:39,572 That's a terrible headline, right? 959 01:00:39,572 --> 01:00:45,927 Like the fact is what Mozilla said here, and I know there's going to be lot of skepticism towards this, and rightly so. 960 01:00:45,927 --> 01:00:49,719 Everybody is getting screwed over by huge companies all the time. 961 01:00:49,841 --> 01:01:02,299 But Mozilla says in the reason that they removed their commitment to never sell your data is because they Mozilla Mozilla doesn't sell data about you and we don't buy data about 962 01:01:02,299 --> 01:01:09,553 you since we strive for transparency and the legal definition of sale of data is extremely broad in some places. 963 01:01:09,553 --> 01:01:14,065 We've had to step back from making the definitive statements, you know, in love. 964 01:01:14,072 --> 01:01:24,154 We still put a lot of work into making sure that the data that we share with our partners, which we need to do to make Firefox commercially viable, is stripped of any identifying 965 01:01:24,154 --> 01:01:32,536 information or shared only in the aggregate or is put through our privacy preserving technologies like OHTTP. 966 01:01:32,536 --> 01:01:36,267 So like, there's a lot there to unpack. 967 01:01:36,267 --> 01:01:43,920 Like there are ways that clever people can take aggregate data and like suss out potentially personally identify 968 01:01:43,932 --> 01:01:54,995 Identifiable information about somebody but at the same time They're fighting the good fight still I think and I'm not willing to like Bersmerch them just because they change 969 01:01:54,995 --> 01:01:56,326 something on their website 970 01:01:56,636 --> 01:02:01,589 Well, usually, I mean, I do tend to agree this is more of a wait and see situation. 971 01:02:01,589 --> 01:02:04,682 We're just going to have to wait and see if Mozilla gets worse because of this. 972 01:02:04,682 --> 01:02:11,973 I don't know what's going to happen because Mozilla is kind of a, I mean, they're a big company, but they're also kind of like a small company. 973 01:02:11,973 --> 01:02:13,394 They're no Google. 974 01:02:13,394 --> 01:02:14,815 They're no Microsoft. 975 01:02:14,815 --> 01:02:15,343 Yeah. 976 01:02:15,343 --> 01:02:18,466 And I think what they need to do is go back to their roots. 977 01:02:18,466 --> 01:02:29,355 When, when the tiny little Netscape corporation was taking on the biggest tech company in the world and they were very, very, very close to winning, right? 978 01:02:29,355 --> 01:02:35,219 They were basically the tech insurgency and they were fighting against Microsoft. 979 01:02:35,219 --> 01:02:40,815 They were one of the primary movers in the Microsoft antitrust case, right? 980 01:02:40,815 --> 01:02:52,684 So the fact that they have, they went from being tech insurgents and they were fighting Microsoft to being Google's lapdog essentially, and they were completely dependent on 981 01:02:52,684 --> 01:02:58,231 Google's ad revenue income or whatever it was, not ad revenue, but search priority revenue. 982 01:02:58,231 --> 01:03:03,896 For so long, I mean, it literally corrupted their initial vision. 983 01:03:03,896 --> 01:03:04,784 And so, 984 01:03:04,784 --> 01:03:12,292 They need to go back to where they were and they need to figure out ways to disrupt big tech like they did in the past. 985 01:03:12,292 --> 01:03:13,954 That's my last take on that. 986 01:03:13,954 --> 01:03:16,116 I'm very passionate about this, we can't tell. 987 01:03:16,723 --> 01:03:17,449 No, it's good. 988 01:03:17,449 --> 01:03:18,830 It's good stuff. 989 01:03:19,232 --> 01:03:23,119 But yeah, but yeah, I don't think Mozilla's really there yet. 990 01:03:23,119 --> 01:03:23,991 They're not evil. 991 01:03:23,991 --> 01:03:25,543 There's certainly no Google for sure. 992 01:03:25,543 --> 01:03:30,081 But I can think of a few more companies that fit that criteria. 993 01:03:30,081 --> 01:03:30,887 Yeah. 994 01:03:31,331 --> 01:03:32,737 Like, WB. 995 01:03:32,739 --> 01:03:34,613 Fuck those guys in particular. 996 01:03:34,734 --> 01:03:35,869 my gosh. 997 01:03:36,203 --> 01:03:37,824 one more thing I will say. 998 01:03:37,845 --> 01:03:42,873 There are other open source companies that are more evil than Mozilla. 999 01:03:42,873 --> 01:03:43,976 I can think of a few. 1000 01:03:43,976 --> 01:03:46,059 Automatic is one, but that's it. 1001 01:03:46,059 --> 01:03:47,330 That's all I'll say. 1002 01:03:47,769 --> 01:03:49,647 Automatics is that the? 1003 01:03:49,707 --> 01:03:51,212 They're the developers of WordPress. 1004 01:03:51,212 --> 01:03:52,632 WordPress, yeah. 1005 01:03:53,133 --> 01:04:04,582 Yeah, that's, what a weird, that was a weird, I don't know if you followed any of the high tech last year, but like, what a weird open source controversy last year that the 1006 01:04:04,582 --> 01:04:10,887 essentially creator and owner of like WordPress went down just burning the whole thing. 1007 01:04:10,887 --> 01:04:11,812 know anything about that. 1008 01:04:11,812 --> 01:04:14,574 You're gonna have to educate me, like, later. 1009 01:04:15,211 --> 01:04:18,543 Yeah, it's too much to go into right now, I'll tell you that. 1010 01:04:18,543 --> 01:04:19,334 it's just... 1011 01:04:19,334 --> 01:04:21,868 It's a lot and it's really bizarre. 1012 01:04:21,868 --> 01:04:22,959 Yeah, anything else? 1013 01:04:22,959 --> 01:04:23,089 we... 1014 01:04:23,089 --> 01:04:23,738 Yeah. 1015 01:04:23,738 --> 01:04:33,194 yeah, like you guys mentioned the threshold of like, you know, how people like, like just like to hit on companies because you know, big corporations that and all that stuff and 1016 01:04:33,194 --> 01:04:35,920 how you like in videos, you have to crush that threshold. 1017 01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:36,776 Yeah. 1018 01:04:37,127 --> 01:04:37,584 Yeah. 1019 01:04:37,584 --> 01:04:40,767 Yeah, it's a hard one. 1020 01:04:40,767 --> 01:04:46,133 used to be like, they used to do so much and I enjoyed so much of what they did. 1021 01:04:46,133 --> 01:04:52,336 And then they just stopped innovating in the customer and in the consumer section and went into AI and a bunch of other things. 1022 01:04:52,336 --> 01:05:03,463 And I just then on top of it, upping the price, screwing over there, like doing controlled releases to do scarcity limits, is just so anti-consumer. 1023 01:05:03,463 --> 01:05:09,316 just, can't, I can't like that's how's a big one for me a couple of years ago was when they were doing that. 1024 01:05:09,537 --> 01:05:12,197 So very, it's a very Intel like move. 1025 01:05:12,197 --> 01:05:19,057 Like remember how Intel kind of also like stopped innovating when AMD was basically non-competitive in the CPU space. 1026 01:05:19,057 --> 01:05:22,357 This was before Ryzen by the way, for those not watching. 1027 01:05:22,497 --> 01:05:26,297 Yeah, like AMD was practically non-competitive after the Athlon series. 1028 01:05:26,297 --> 01:05:28,857 And then, you know, the bulldozer was kind of bad. 1029 01:05:28,857 --> 01:05:32,197 The FX processes were horrible. 1030 01:05:32,457 --> 01:05:35,677 I mean, I never had them, but like that's all I've heard. 1031 01:05:35,797 --> 01:05:38,293 And then Ryzen 1 came out and then AMD like, 1032 01:05:38,293 --> 01:05:39,657 basically changed their fortune. 1033 01:05:39,657 --> 01:05:40,771 Speaking of which... 1034 01:05:41,127 --> 01:05:45,531 I had an FX series processor and it was absolute garbage. 1035 01:05:45,531 --> 01:05:46,763 It was so bad. 1036 01:05:48,220 --> 01:05:51,142 Yeah, Intel was the king during then. 1037 01:05:51,142 --> 01:05:54,865 And guess what they didn't do for like the last, for like a decade. 1038 01:05:55,265 --> 01:05:57,327 They, they didn't innovate. 1039 01:05:57,327 --> 01:06:04,461 Like I think Sandy Bridge was like, was like the coup de grace of that generation. 1040 01:06:04,461 --> 01:06:13,752 And then they just kind of like sort of slightly improved the performance every generation up until like, I think it was eighth gym was when they like had the biggest jump in years. 1041 01:06:13,752 --> 01:06:14,974 Like from seven to eight. 1042 01:06:14,974 --> 01:06:17,498 Yeah, but Intel still thinks they're on top of the world. 1043 01:06:17,498 --> 01:06:25,808 They're still barely innovating their CPUs, as if AMD were still not competitive. 1044 01:06:26,009 --> 01:06:27,146 That's just what it seems like. 1045 01:06:27,146 --> 01:06:27,695 themselves. 1046 01:06:27,695 --> 01:06:35,509 I think they kind of screwed themselves over that they stopped innovating and so that it's hard for them to ramp it back up and there I don't think they're doing good as a company 1047 01:06:35,509 --> 01:06:37,377 from my understanding right like 1048 01:06:37,377 --> 01:06:40,617 hope- I hope- I hope ingridients are just desserts as well. 1049 01:06:40,617 --> 01:06:44,637 They probably will, especially with how much they put into AI. 1050 01:06:44,637 --> 01:06:56,488 And I don't know if framework would even put a dent into them, but I'm hoping stuff like this where we're going to have very specific tech come out that will be AIs and put it 1051 01:06:56,488 --> 01:07:00,681 into the consumer's hands more will hopefully help make it more competitive. 1052 01:07:00,681 --> 01:07:01,792 We'll see, 1053 01:07:02,017 --> 01:07:06,333 Yeah, so I think, should we, so should we start doing the MechsFest stuff now? 1054 01:07:07,089 --> 01:07:07,981 Yeah, I think so. 1055 01:07:07,981 --> 01:07:12,526 don't I think we covered everything I wanted to like framework AMD's 9070. 1056 01:07:12,526 --> 01:07:18,438 Yeah, also, we will shout out the last two topics that we were going to talk about for the next first. 1057 01:07:18,438 --> 01:07:20,529 EA open sourced Command and Conquer. 1058 01:07:20,529 --> 01:07:22,699 I know this is a Gardener's Wheelhouse. 1059 01:07:23,067 --> 01:07:33,942 GPLV3, believe, if I'm not mistaken, that means you could make a game based on Command and Conquer's code and then sell it so long as you make that game source code also open source 1060 01:07:33,942 --> 01:07:34,812 as well. 1061 01:07:35,216 --> 01:07:41,233 The only stipulation is you can't call it Command and Conquer and you can't pretend that it's part like or endorsed by EA. 1062 01:07:41,233 --> 01:07:43,495 Those are the only two stipulations. 1063 01:07:43,495 --> 01:07:45,276 every like everything else. 1064 01:07:45,437 --> 01:07:45,777 Yeah. 1065 01:07:45,777 --> 01:07:47,379 And those are permissible. 1066 01:07:47,379 --> 01:07:47,679 Yeah. 1067 01:07:47,679 --> 01:07:50,142 Those are completely permissible under the GPL three. 1068 01:07:50,142 --> 01:07:58,796 But yeah, I mean, and the fact that like EA of all companies EA has open sourced some games and they're in 1069 01:07:58,796 --> 01:08:00,679 now, new favorite publisher, EA. 1070 01:08:00,679 --> 01:08:01,168 EA 1071 01:08:01,168 --> 01:08:02,028 they're my favorite. 1072 01:08:02,028 --> 01:08:02,928 I love EA now. 1073 01:08:02,928 --> 01:08:03,988 No, I'm just kidding. 1074 01:08:04,288 --> 01:08:13,728 They're still horrible, but the fact like Jim Vasella should be the next CEO because Jim Vasella is the guy behind this. 1075 01:08:13,728 --> 01:08:29,788 Yes, and he is a huge Command and Conquer fan himself and he has been engaging directly as an executive and as a producer with the Command and Conquer community. 1076 01:08:30,601 --> 01:08:33,584 Do you remember when they released the Remastered collection? 1077 01:08:33,584 --> 01:08:35,325 Command and Conquer Remastered? 1078 01:08:37,486 --> 01:08:51,435 It was like five years ago and Jim Vasella personally reached out to the development team of OpenRA, which is an open source engine implementation of Red Alert, Command and 1079 01:08:51,435 --> 01:08:53,215 Conquer, and Dune 2000. 1080 01:08:53,215 --> 01:08:55,730 And he personally was like, hey, 1081 01:08:55,730 --> 01:08:57,960 Would you guys like to help promote this game? 1082 01:08:58,201 --> 01:09:01,812 Unlike other companies that would be like, you know what? 1083 01:09:01,812 --> 01:09:02,992 This is an open source project. 1084 01:09:02,992 --> 01:09:06,283 We're going to shut you down so that you're not competing with us. 1085 01:09:06,323 --> 01:09:09,484 That's the kind of stuff that EA needs to be doing. 1086 01:09:09,484 --> 01:09:13,455 This is game preservation, and this is the future of game preservation. 1087 01:09:13,455 --> 01:09:22,917 And I commend Electronic Arts on doing this, because it's four classic Command and Conquer games. 1088 01:09:22,917 --> 01:09:25,178 it's Command and Conquer, Red Alert. 1089 01:09:25,286 --> 01:09:34,842 renegade and generals with the expansions for those games and the only reason they haven't done Tiberian Sun and Red Alert 2 is because Ostensibly the source code for those games 1090 01:09:34,842 --> 01:09:40,174 has actually been lost so we may never see those ones get open-sourced But there's a good chance. 1091 01:09:40,174 --> 01:09:52,349 We'll see more stuff going on in the future because this is just one year of work from one community member who had full access to all of the command and conquer archives at EA 1092 01:09:52,807 --> 01:09:53,911 It's fricking cool, dude. 1093 01:09:53,911 --> 01:09:55,377 don't know if you can tell. 1094 01:09:55,377 --> 01:09:58,417 I love Kaveta Cocker and I'm so pleased with this. 1095 01:09:58,701 --> 01:10:00,373 Yeah, that's that is good news. 1096 01:10:00,373 --> 01:10:05,567 But there's also bad news to WB, as I've been alluding to fucked up WB. 1097 01:10:05,567 --> 01:10:08,121 So they closed on models productions. 1098 01:10:08,121 --> 01:10:15,646 No no relation to Nintendo's similarly named model of like Monolith Soft, who made Xenoblade. 1099 01:10:15,646 --> 01:10:18,779 So model of productions made the Shadow of Mordor game. 1100 01:10:18,779 --> 01:10:25,403 They also made the nemesis system that was ultimately patented and that the BB still holds patent to. 1101 01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:27,190 Mm. 1102 01:10:27,190 --> 01:10:38,330 they shut down the studio and they also canceled the planned Wonder Woman game that they were going to release to that also was supposed to have the nemesis system implemented as 1103 01:10:38,330 --> 01:10:39,390 well. 1104 01:10:40,070 --> 01:10:43,050 And I'm to tell you right now. 1105 01:10:43,550 --> 01:10:44,450 WB. 1106 01:10:44,450 --> 01:10:45,690 OK, listen, listen, listen. 1107 01:10:45,690 --> 01:10:55,310 I know we usually hate on Activision and Ubisoft and EA gets some of that flack that they've been kind of improving over the last couple of months. 1108 01:10:55,837 --> 01:11:00,006 But W, I think WB might be the worst company on the list. 1109 01:11:00,892 --> 01:11:04,327 yeah, they're one of the biggest villains now. 1110 01:11:04,327 --> 01:11:04,989 Yeah, they are. 1111 01:11:04,989 --> 01:11:07,584 And that is not just video games, 1112 01:11:08,722 --> 01:11:10,012 just hate software patents. 1113 01:11:10,012 --> 01:11:13,013 I hate software patents so much, like with a passion. 1114 01:11:13,054 --> 01:11:20,321 Nintendo, WB, any company that does software patents, mean, BioWare has a software patent on their dialog system. 1115 01:11:20,321 --> 01:11:22,302 I hate it with... 1116 01:11:23,122 --> 01:11:27,454 Yeah, their radial menu system is patented. 1117 01:11:27,454 --> 01:11:28,654 That's so stupid. 1118 01:11:28,654 --> 01:11:39,603 So they padded like the way it's presented like in a radial instead of like, all right, so just make a box with like some dialogue choices, like what Bethesda does. 1119 01:11:39,824 --> 01:11:41,474 All right, we'll do that then. 1120 01:11:41,474 --> 01:11:45,479 Yeah, that's my point with software patents, they don't work at all. 1121 01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:56,202 is like, like with WB's patent with the Nemesis system, that's just, just slapping together a bunch of things that's been done before. 1122 01:11:56,202 --> 01:11:58,804 Like it is nothing super, like it is cool. 1123 01:11:58,804 --> 01:12:01,857 It's like, I wouldn't say it's special though. 1124 01:12:01,857 --> 01:12:03,818 It is crazy. 1125 01:12:03,890 --> 01:12:06,064 that they were even allowed to patent that. 1126 01:12:06,064 --> 01:12:14,562 And it really shows that like the patent office needs to ref, like not even get into the software world if they don't know what they're doing because there is no reason to patent 1127 01:12:14,562 --> 01:12:15,182 that. 1128 01:12:15,645 --> 01:12:23,672 And it's also crazy that they get to keep the patent despite the actual studio that designed the whole system no longer existing. 1129 01:12:23,672 --> 01:12:24,432 and using it. 1130 01:12:24,432 --> 01:12:29,137 Like here's the thing though, copyright you have to, there's things that go into patents and copyright. 1131 01:12:29,137 --> 01:12:32,699 So we'll see, maybe if they don't use it for a few years. 1132 01:12:32,699 --> 01:12:37,281 I know that the patent's up in like what, 2035 or something like that. 1133 01:12:37,541 --> 01:12:44,167 So maybe we'll lose, like maybe by then we'll be able to create something with it, but they might lose the patent before, we'll see. 1134 01:12:44,167 --> 01:12:45,728 Alright man, it's fucked up. 1135 01:12:45,728 --> 01:12:51,035 Also, on the Mevics Fest, they have a Game of Thrones game demo. 1136 01:12:51,576 --> 01:12:53,919 And it's being developed by Netmarble. 1137 01:12:53,919 --> 01:12:55,221 And it's some bullshit. 1138 01:12:55,221 --> 01:12:56,022 I tried it out. 1139 01:12:56,022 --> 01:12:59,344 It doesn't run that well on Steam Deck. 1140 01:13:00,206 --> 01:13:02,828 the gameplay's not even that fun, to be honest. 1141 01:13:03,189 --> 01:13:06,743 It's like a lesser clone of Genshin Impact, if that makes sense. 1142 01:13:06,743 --> 01:13:10,186 Yeah, yeah, it's, I don't know. 1143 01:13:10,186 --> 01:13:16,042 All I do know is that I am going to present Twisted Tower, which is one of the games I'm playing. 1144 01:13:16,042 --> 01:13:16,948 I'm playing it on Steam Deck, 1145 01:13:16,557 --> 01:13:29,448 Okay, audio listeners, for this portion of the podcast, you might want to go on and mosey on over to YouTube and watch us play some of the games from Next Fest while we chat about 1146 01:13:29,448 --> 01:13:29,888 it. 1147 01:13:29,888 --> 01:13:38,435 We decided not to include this into the podcast audio version just because there's a lot of pauses and a lot of context missing. 1148 01:13:38,435 --> 01:13:41,528 You got to see what we're doing in order to really understand. 1149 01:13:41,528 --> 01:13:45,611 So we decided to leave the next hour out, hour, hour and a half. 1150 01:13:45,761 --> 01:13:49,564 And so we'll have a little bit of a wrap up talking about Next Fest. 1151 01:13:49,564 --> 01:13:52,156 And then that's the end of this episode on the audio version. 1152 01:13:52,156 --> 01:13:57,051 So you can go on over to YouTube and check out the full version if you want. 1153 01:13:57,051 --> 01:14:01,614 Or you can just wait until next time for our next live stream special. 1154 01:14:01,614 --> 01:14:03,696 This was a live stream special. 1155 01:14:03,881 --> 01:14:10,702 Yeah, with that, thank you guys for listening and being such great listeners. 1156 01:14:10,962 --> 01:14:14,277 If you want, you can comment if you're on the Fetiverse or 1157 01:14:14,277 --> 01:14:21,517 wherever you're at on whatever platform you're on, you can comment and let us know what your favorite Next Fest game is. 1158 01:14:21,517 --> 01:14:28,077 So thank you guys for listening and yeah, just the rest of this podcast is gonna wrap up pretty soon. 1159 01:14:28,077 --> 01:14:29,337 Be a little shorter. 1160 01:14:29,357 --> 01:14:29,657 Thanks. 1161 01:14:29,657 --> 01:14:34,578 while we're wrapping this up, chat anyone on YouTube. 1162 01:14:35,559 --> 01:14:41,822 If you're watching this after the fact too and you can comment, let us know what your favorite game on Next Fest is this year. 1163 01:14:41,822 --> 01:14:46,684 What's the game that you're most excited for that we could also be maybe keeping an eye out for and that we could play later? 1164 01:14:46,684 --> 01:14:49,525 But let us know in the comments or in chat. 1165 01:14:50,766 --> 01:14:55,478 And Garner, did you have a favorite this time or what did you think of Next Fest? 1166 01:14:56,025 --> 01:14:58,605 Yeah, I had, I really enjoyed it. 1167 01:14:58,605 --> 01:15:02,485 think Wheel's, Wheel World is my favorite game that I played. 1168 01:15:02,485 --> 01:15:09,705 It was the one that kind of, I don't know, when I saw the screenshots, I was like, it looked kind of neat. 1169 01:15:09,705 --> 01:15:14,125 And then I played it and I was like, oh, this is hitting everything that I like about games. 1170 01:15:14,125 --> 01:15:15,746 So it was quite fun. 1171 01:15:15,746 --> 01:15:18,766 So it's in its real world, right? 1172 01:15:18,986 --> 01:15:21,666 Yeah, I'm gonna, I actually thought it looked pretty interesting too. 1173 01:15:21,666 --> 01:15:28,786 I'm curious how much it's gonna cost, cause that will be determined how much, if it's let's say a $20 game, there's a good chance I'll probably pick that up, cause I actually 1174 01:15:28,786 --> 01:15:30,646 really liked that. 1175 01:15:30,646 --> 01:15:33,826 And it worked on the Steam Deck fine, didn't it for you? 1176 01:15:34,724 --> 01:15:37,846 If you're playing on Linux you gotta launch the DX11 version. 1177 01:15:37,846 --> 01:15:40,587 The DX12 version does not. 1178 01:15:40,587 --> 01:15:44,349 Even on my desktop it's like 4 5 frames a second. 1179 01:15:46,250 --> 01:15:51,994 But it had like a 25 to 30 FPS on the Steam Deck. 1180 01:15:51,994 --> 01:15:53,956 But it's also a demo, so we'll see. 1181 01:15:53,956 --> 01:15:54,916 the way it looks. 1182 01:15:54,916 --> 01:15:58,556 It looks like it also could use some optimizing because it's not a very demanding game. 1183 01:15:58,556 --> 01:16:00,716 It looked from the from the way it looks. 1184 01:16:00,736 --> 01:16:08,216 So, yeah, I actually have a lot of hope for that game, too, because it's a type of game that I could pick up on the Steam Deck and put down. 1185 01:16:08,216 --> 01:16:10,636 And those are what I'm here for these days. 1186 01:16:11,167 --> 01:16:15,027 Yeah, I got a lot farther on the Steam Deck than I did on my PC. 1187 01:16:15,027 --> 01:16:15,868 it's... 1188 01:16:16,571 --> 01:16:17,874 Yeah, I like it. 1189 01:16:17,874 --> 01:16:20,659 I think it's the game I'd recommend. 1190 01:16:20,874 --> 01:16:21,770 Casca 1191 01:16:21,770 --> 01:16:23,786 might be my favorite demo I tried out. 1192 01:16:23,786 --> 01:16:28,853 And for those of you that want to play on Steam Deck, can do it with a touchscreen too, actually. 1193 01:16:28,853 --> 01:16:29,735 forgot about this. 1194 01:16:29,735 --> 01:16:34,853 Sometimes I forget that Steam Deck has a touchscreen, but you could do it that way or you could just... 1195 01:16:34,853 --> 01:16:36,622 I don't know. 1196 01:16:36,622 --> 01:16:37,947 Use the trackpad to play. 1197 01:16:37,947 --> 01:16:40,026 That's probably what you should do anyways, to be honest. 1198 01:16:40,026 --> 01:16:43,886 And I think, yeah, this episode's been quite the long episode. 1199 01:16:43,886 --> 01:16:46,283 I guess this happens when we go off the rails. 1200 01:16:46,283 --> 01:16:46,624 Yeah. 1201 01:16:46,624 --> 01:16:47,805 Hey, I thought it was fun. 1202 01:16:47,805 --> 01:16:54,308 I thought it was fun to to have our topics that we talked about because, you know, me and the framework desktop, I really I'm glad. 1203 01:16:54,308 --> 01:16:57,289 Thank you guys for chatting with me about that, because I'm really excited for that one. 1204 01:16:57,289 --> 01:17:02,171 But also the it was fun taking turns and just showing which games we were really excited for. 1205 01:17:02,171 --> 01:17:06,552 And I definitely think we'll have to refine this, obviously, and like put like time limits on some of these. 1206 01:17:06,552 --> 01:17:08,253 But and I'll come better prepared. 1207 01:17:08,253 --> 01:17:11,810 But I think for like end of the year or 1208 01:17:11,810 --> 01:17:19,741 games like I think at the end of this year, having our favorite games like two or three of our favorite games and just stream them a little bit, take turns, I think it'd be fun 1209 01:17:19,741 --> 01:17:23,575 actually while we talk about it as another special. 1210 01:17:23,575 --> 01:17:26,528 Yeah, I mean, we should do more live episodes more often. 1211 01:17:26,528 --> 01:17:32,716 We just gotta I think it is fun doing like an unedited version like version of our podcast because Make no mistake. 1212 01:17:32,716 --> 01:17:34,928 We do quite edit our podcast quite a bit down. 1213 01:17:34,928 --> 01:17:35,664 But 1214 01:17:36,313 --> 01:17:44,258 Yeah, it definitely adds a lot of trickiness to it, but it is fun to do this and chat with people and see chat and everything. 1215 01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:46,800 And I think we'll do better at marketing to Nick. 1216 01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:52,164 Like we were like I was not like we were a little wishy washy on how we were going to do this. 1217 01:17:52,164 --> 01:17:54,126 And that was probably more me being wishy washy. 1218 01:17:54,126 --> 01:17:55,568 So we definitely will. 1219 01:17:55,568 --> 01:17:59,391 I'll be better on this type of thing and market it better on my side. 1220 01:17:59,391 --> 01:18:01,602 But it's very exciting. 1221 01:18:01,657 --> 01:18:04,449 Yeah, I've had a blast. 1222 01:18:04,449 --> 01:18:05,801 I had a blast too, man. 1223 01:18:05,801 --> 01:18:06,903 All right. 1224 01:18:06,903 --> 01:18:13,212 And if you're watching this on, well, shoot, how are we, how are we going to handle this for like all the audio viewers? 1225 01:18:13,212 --> 01:18:16,035 Cause they can't, they certainly can't watch us play video games. 1226 01:18:16,669 --> 01:18:23,683 Yeah, we might just leave the gameplay to YouTube and cut it for the audio version. 1227 01:18:23,683 --> 01:18:27,796 And mention that it's on the end also mentioned that that portions on YouTube 1228 01:18:28,583 --> 01:18:29,413 Yeah. 1229 01:18:29,834 --> 01:18:36,448 So if you're listening to the audio version, you want to hear us talk about like the games we enjoyed, you should definitely check us out on YouTube. 1230 01:18:36,448 --> 01:18:37,890 Yeah, it's a good segue over there. 1231 01:18:37,890 --> 01:18:41,415 Sometimes the audio version sometimes will just be lacking. 1232 01:18:41,415 --> 01:18:42,517 that's just the. 1233 01:18:42,517 --> 01:18:49,556 Not usually, usually we include everything that we do on YouTube, but sometimes like with these specials, it's probably best to just go to YouTube to consume it. 1234 01:18:49,556 --> 01:18:50,182 But yeah. 1235 01:18:50,182 --> 01:18:50,494 Yeah. 1236 01:18:50,494 --> 01:18:52,389 Honestly, 1237 01:18:52,389 --> 01:19:01,366 with that, make sure to like, subscribe and, you know, hit that bell with your with for me, I like to say crowbar as a Half Life fan. 1238 01:19:01,366 --> 01:19:11,974 yeah, make sure to if you're listening to this after the fact on a different platform like Spotify, Apple, Apple, podcast, make sure to follow us there and to and if you're in the 1239 01:19:11,974 --> 01:19:15,796 Fediverse, even better, you can comment there and we will. 1240 01:19:15,796 --> 01:19:23,689 keep an eye out for your guys' comments and try to, in the future, start doing a Q &A, maybe as a special in the near future, and we'll start to promote that soon, 1241 01:19:23,691 --> 01:19:26,252 Yeah, share with your friends too. 1242 01:19:26,252 --> 01:19:27,001 Yes. 1243 01:19:27,001 --> 01:19:27,483 is caring. 1244 01:19:27,483 --> 01:19:31,063 Okay, thanks guys. 1245 01:19:31,063 --> 01:19:32,588 Yep, have a good one. 1246 01:19:32,588 --> 01:19:34,333 Peace out, later.