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HighTechLowLife How's it going HighTech
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: What's up?
I'm doing all right.
How about you
Gardiner: I'm doing fantastic I've had a great week Uh and uh we have a great
week of tech disasters to uh talk to you?
guys about Uh we're talking about the Steam Frame Uh it looks like it's coming
any day now Just our luck they'll announce it like tomorrow as this episode drops uh
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Too bad James isn't here
you better watch this episode, James.
Gardiner: yeah watch this episode Leave us a comment
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about what we did this week We like to start the show off by chatting about what
we've been up to HiTek how was your week
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: My week was doing, was pretty good.
I got to play a bunch of Steam Machine.
I played, uh, I started, uh, Daemon X Machina: Titanic Scion,
and it's a pretty sick game.
Gardiner: Oh really
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Do you like mech- do you like mechas?
Right, do you like, but do you like anime style mech games?
Gardiner: Oh
uh I don't think I've ever tried one
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: You might.
Gardiner: of Enders count I
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Yeah, Zone of Enders counts, yeah.
Gardiner: played that
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: All right.
But I've been playing that.
I've also been doing, uh, some research on a bunch of recomps
as well for a future project.
Gardiner: heck yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: You could probably figure out what's coming
Gardiner: Absolutely
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Yes, and, uh, Steam Machine Masterclass is finally
out and people are loving it.
And there's another episode queued up already.
Uh, and there's gonna be another one also queued up as well soon
Gardiner: Dude that's great
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Yes, but aside from that though, lots of Steam Machine, just
also me- just also messing around too.
Gardiner: Hmm
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Uh, but I've heard you built your own
Gardiner: I did build my own Uh it's really awesome
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: You got, got any pictures of it
Gardiner: Uh uh I offhand um unfortunately but it's a it's the
Lian Li case that you sent me Uh the one with the um oh my gosh What's the
word I'm looking for It's got like the the wood on the front which and it?
looks really nice
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Is it the small, is it the small one?
Gardiner: Yeah Yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: don't think that's Leah and Leah.
I think that's Fractal.
Gardiner: No
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Fra-
Gardiner: Li Where's the I don't Oh man It's the
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: You should take a picture real quick
Gardiner: A3M MATXWD Here I'll take a picture My desk is a huge mess but I'll
I don't even care right now I've been doing a ton of testing so um I've been
playing a bunch of games I I played um uh What's the what's the name What's the
game I have to clean my desk off Hold on
All right Yeah I have it on its side too I don't think that it's
really designed to be on its side But I played um uh what's the word
Sorry I'm derailing this right now so I can send this
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Man, all good, all good, man.
This is important stuff
Gardiner: Yeah
Send There we go I just sent it in Discord Um
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: I see.
You should put that on the, uh, put it on the screen for
all the, our audience to see.
Gardiner: yes Open in browser please
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: That does look quite nice.
I know you were trying to get all of the feat- like, near feature parity.
Were you able to do that?
Gardiner: Uh I'm still testing so I'm still to Why is this not opening um
What is going on Close I can't open this
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: You can't open it?
Gardiner: Nope
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Oh, uh, what if you s- what if you click on… Uh, whatever.
But, uh
Gardiner: Uh super fun uh
yeah so um
what were we talking about Sorry
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Your Steam mach- you said you were testing stuff?
Gardiner: Yes So oh yeah so yeah you asked if I had been able to get
feature parity Uh not yet I'm still working on getting HDC uh H HDMI
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: HDMI CEC
Gardiner: CEC
um which I'm pretty close I think Uh and then the the other big thing
is I cannot turn on the device using the Steam controller Uh like
I can't wake it from sleep which
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: At all?
Gardiner: No I can't It doesn't
Like right
now it is asleep right now and if I turn the Steam controller on it will not it
doesn't turn it on the other problem is that I didn't realize it but the
motherboard that I'm using doesn't have um a USB 31 or the USBC header or 32 whatever
it is header on the motherboard So uh I need to y uh and it only has one PCI
port slot So I'm gonna get like a uh an uh M2 riser and use that to break out to
a p uh USB like front panel because gosh darn it I ha it has like a USB 3 header
on it Um but I also have a USBC port that doesn't work right now because um it
doesn't support that on the motherboard But yeah it's pretty cool Also But it's
super fast I've been playing uh a bunch of games and it is like uh I have uh
like a two case fans and it has a like a single fan for the cooler the CPU cooler
and it's like whisper quiet and it has like It's like I've seen it peak at like
87 degrees C So pretty solid I feel Um
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Dude, you need to make a video on that, man
Gardiner: Oh I'm going to Yeah it's gonna be cool Um another thing that
that I just got Is this watch This is the Pebble Time 2 It's it's super
nice and I'm gonna be doing a review of this over on The Bryant Review So
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Is it a smartwatch or just like a watch watch?
Gardiner: It's a smartwatch but it's like the OG smartwatch and it's the
It's not like it's it's it uses its own custom realtime operating system so it's
not using like Android Wear or anything like that It it's really really cool Um
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Sick
Gardiner: yeah It's c Um 100 open source and it's Sick.
Even the companion app on Android is open source
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Can you use it to control your house?
Gardiner: Yes There is an there is a there is a uh Home Assistant integration
for it which is really really slick
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Nice, nice, nice, dude.
That's weird though that I know, I know that Jimmy Champagne, he built his own
as well, and he's able to wake his from sleep using a Steam controller, so I'm
curious as to what the difference is
Gardiner: It might be a USB like the the USB port that I'm using Um I I haven't
tested it fully I just know that that's on my todo list to figure out so Cause I
know it's possible Like the St in lizard mode the Steam controller as a mouse and
keyboard so I feel like it should be very trivial to to wake up the machine from
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Right.
Gardiner: sleep Yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: should be.
You know, speaking of which, uh, this isn't on our topic list, but have you
heard of something called OpenPuck
Gardiner: OpenPuck?
No I have not
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: So basically someone recreated, they, they took a, uh,
microcontroller that's similar to the one in the Puck and they
transformed that into a Steam Puck.
Gardiner: Oh Yeah.
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Yeah Admittedly, he, he admittedly says every part of this project
heavily uses LLMs, but apparently it works
Gardiner: Here this is my Steam Machine by the way This is I just finally get the
window to open Um it's laying side The case should be standing up but it's not
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: need to, I need to s- we need to see how big that is
compared to a real, the real deal.
Gardiner: Oh it's it's enormous compared to the real Steam Machine
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: How many Steam Machines could you fit in that case?
Probably like four, right?
Gardiner: I would think at least like I think you would ha comfortably fit
two um just fully Uh and then uh but I don't think there would be enough um
space to fit more than two in it probably
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Yeah, man.
But, dude, it, it's pretty sick that you man- you, you finally
joined the Steam Machine club.
Gardiner: I did
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: And I know James
Gardiner: it's got a 9070 XT in it
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: The… I know James has been working on a little project called
Gardiner: Yes
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: and we might have to show that off at some point in
time when he, when it's fully ready
Well, actually, it might be fully ready.
I, I mean, it's publicly available.
You can go to it right now, CouchRig.com
Gardiner: Yeah This is it's really cool I'm r I'm gonna get my specs on here
once uh this is like fully done and ready so that'll be that'll be nifty
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Sick.
Anyways, it's ti- I think it's time for us to get started, but, uh, if you like
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It's amazing that James managed to get that too
Gardiner: Agreed Yeah pretty cool Yeah Um and also we have a Patreon and a Discord
There's links for those down below Um there's exclusive content for our patrons
over there as well cool cool So let's uh let's get to our first story We we're
g we're talking about The Steam Frame launch looks like it's coming soon TM
What uh what's up with the Steam Frame
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: The Steam Frame just got FCC certification, which means
it's only a matter of time maybe
Gardiner: Wow that's exciting Hmm
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: And the, and there's been a f- there's been a bevy of Steam
frame updates that have been coming out.
Uh, not… And most recently they came out with the, uh,
ARM 64, the, uh, compat list.
It's an a- it's qu- it's a quote app, but you can't actually access it 'cause
it's not a real game, so to speak.
Apparently Half-Life: Alyx just got an update on SteamDB.
We don't know what that's about yet.
Gardiner: Hmm
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: We also got Le- Leptin is also showing up
in like Steam Search as well.
That's the, uh, compatibility layer they use for, uh, Android to Android to Linux.
Gardiner: Hmm
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: I wonder if that works on x86 though as well
Gardiner: Leptin
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Yeah.
Gardiner: but isn't that based on Waydroid
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: I don't know, actually.
Gardiner: it is Lepton Waydroid Oh yeah
Yeah So Waydroid is available for x86 I don't know if Lepton is but
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: S- so the good news is, uh, Waydroid, it works.
I've tried out Waydroid on my Steam, Steam Deck, uh, like a year ago or so.
Gardiner: Yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: works pretty well in case you ever wanted to, I
don't know, play some mobile games
Gardiner: Yeah Uh Waydroid is cool I really like it Uh it works it it
Actually my Waydroid video is one of my most popular videos on my channel so
pretty nifty And also Bazzite comes with Waydroid now I don't know if you saw that
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Wait, Bazzite comes with it
Gardiner: It comes with it?
preinstalled so
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Ooh.
Gardiner: screw around with like anything
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: it's been a while since I've reinstalled Bazzite
on anything, so this is n- this is news to me, truth be told
Gardiner: Yeah I put Bazzite on my Steam Machine so it's uh you know um
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: I,
Gardiner: pretty cool to see that
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: I wonder if that's why it's not booting,
um, not waking from boot.
I wonder if that's something that Bazzite just can't do right now
Gardiner: I know that it can because if I if I like switch my mouse cause
I have my I have my mouse my mouse's um wireless receiver the USB receiver
connected If I switch this over to that it just turns on immediately So
um I'm not sure why it's not working
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Dude, it's… I don't know, man.
But all, all I know, all I know for certain is that it's a, it's an exciting
time to be into Steam hardware, even if
Gardiner: Yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Steam Frame may be super expensive, 'cause we still
don't know how much this costs.
It's the one thing that hasn't leaked yet
Gardiner: Wasn't there like a prediction of it being like
1300 or some crazy crazy number
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: I mean, I thought it was gonna be over 1,000
before the RAM crisis ' cause
Gardiner: Yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Um, I, I, I, I, again, I don't know.
I know that Facebook primarily sells theirs for like, probably
at a loss because it's Facebook.
I mean, they harvest your data for all you're worth
Gardiner: Yeah yeah Yeah I, mean this I was really hopeful that the Steam
Frame would be like in the 750 range because it doesn't need the outside in
tracking stuff like the lighthouses and all that other stuff Um and it really
looked like they were doing everything they could to cut uh costs with this
Um now that the Rampocalypse is here it's like it feels like it's going to
be probably at least 1100 Um yeah I don't know, I I I'm not super optimistic
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: I I don't know man, but I mean, this whole, this whole
Rampocalypse situation has really messed up a lot of things too.
Gardiner: Yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Uh, console prices went up.
I don't remember a time where they've ever… The, the dollar value has
ever gone up on a console, ever.
Gardiner: Right
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: This, this is the first generation where this has happened
Gardiner: Yeah And and I mean that Like you know usually with a console the As
the you know the manufacturer is able to produce more you know consoles the value
of the console increases because more people have it more games are being made
and meanwhile the manufacturing costs go down because of like efficiencies
and bulk pricing But what happened
with this console generation is people bought them when they initially launched
right Especially the Xbox so it's like uh And then you know Xbox and PlayStation
have fewer and fewer like compelling reasons to actually buy them Uh and
the generation really hasn't seen as much growth And then on top of all that
the pricing just continues to increase for all of the the hardware So I just
don't I don't I don't get it man I don't see the the value of it anymore
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Dude, I don't know.
Things are f- s- things are so messed up with pricing nowadays.
Gardiner: Yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: when the, re- remember when people thought the
Switch 2 was expensive at, like, 500?
Or 450, but 500 with Mario Kart,
Gardiner: Yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: and now it's the cheapest option?
Like, how, how the, how does that happen
Gardiner: My dude I yeah don't
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: but let's be honest though, even- they're gonna jack the
prices up again, let's be honest.
Let's be perfectly clear.
Nintendo, Nintendo will see this opportunity or I guess they'll say,
"Oh, we can't keep making these at a loss. We gotta raise the prices."
Gardiner: Mmhmm
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: And then it's gonna be like $700 for a Switch 2.
Is that not, is that not insane?
Gardiner: It's crazy I mean you can get the 250 gig Mario Kart World
Switch 2 bundle for 448 on eBay Um and that's b and that to me right
now feels like a steal which is crazy because that It's nuts That's bananas
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Are you gonna buy a Gardener?
Gardiner: no I don't have I don't have money to waste I wouldn't play it
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: That's true.
That's true.
Mario Kart World is fun, but, like, I don't think it's $80 fun.
Gardiner: No No No no no not at all
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Um, if they sold it for like 60 bucks, then I think, I feel like it'd be a steal.
But,
Gardiner: Mmmm
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: almost everyone that has a Switch 2 probably has Mario Kart World
Gardiner: Yeah Ugh But I mean you know what I do have money to burn on is the
Steam Frame When that comes out I'm actually going to buy that because I
know that I will play it and I'll be able to make some money back doing
You know making content about it Um
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: You know what you should do though?
Gardiner: hmm
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: You should try out VR on Linux, see if it's improved at all
Gardiner: Yes I that's my plan when I get the Steam Machine out in the
living room is I'm gonna do probably a live stream whi where I play Linux
um Steam games which will be fun
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Dude.
Dude, it's gonna be so awesome, man.
I need more VR games, 'cause, um, my… I mean, I'm not surprised that my VR
library is kinda lacking, but, like,
Gardiner: Mmhmm
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: if I, if I look at my VR game list, I only have, like
Nine of them, and most of them are not VR, like VR… None of them are
VR first except for maybe The Lab, but that's a free title, I think
Gardiner: Yeah Um what do what do I have I have like a bunch of games VR What
do you have for a headset by the way
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Um, I don't have, I don't, I don't have… Well, actually
I have a Quest 2, but, uh, I'm looking to sell that so I can get a Frame
Gardiner: Yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: But I didn't, but like I didn't, I d- I have not
bought any real VR games on PC.
Gardiner: Hmm
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: are just 2D games that have a VR version.
Gardiner: Gotcha
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Sega Genesis Classics?
Oh, right, someone told me about this too.
It, it, it has a VR mode for some reason
Gardiner: Yeah It uh it's actually kinda neat but it made me feel sick
when I played it so But it's like you're sitting in a room playing like you're
y y like the VR experience is you're in room playing on a CRT in the game Um
Uh so I have Aperture Hand Lab Audica Rhythm Shooter Beat Saber
Bone Lab Boneworks Doom VR um Google Earth VR for some reason
HalfLife Alyx of course The Lab Moss VR I got like fi I have
52 games on Steam that are VR
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Damn.
Gardiner: Yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: I feel like I should buy Half-Life: Alyx
before I buy the Steam Frame
Gardiner: Dude HalfLife Alyx is so good dude It's so good You gotta play it It's
a it literally like it felt magical to me Every time I think about Like I'm
really excited to go back and play through Alyx with the uh with the Steam Frame.
Like that's gonna be a just a great experience
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Absolutely, man.
Absolutely.
And also, there's also a bevy of VR mods for games too,
Gardiner: Yes there are
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: and I wanna try those out too.
I, I, I mean, I don't know if like Cyberpunk would
run really well on, uh, the
Gardiner: On a
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Steam, on the Frame.
Like not directly, but like
Gardiner: I you know it so I I've got the the 9070 XT in this Steam Machine and it
like th with uh I had Cyberpunk playing on here through Proton with like extreme
ray tracing and it was managing like
68 frames a second And I was like Whoa that's crazy Like I didn't
expect ray tracing to actually work worth anything Um so that's wild
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Man, the Steam, the Steam frame can't come out any sooner, man
Gardiner: I know Dude.
I'm so excited about it Like literally so the I the only reason I built this Steam
Machine was because I was able to find a sponsor to help to help me build it Um and
uh that's pretty cool So but like I was I'm like I don't think I would actually
play if I bought a Steam Machine and I'd rather spend that money on a Steam Frame
now that like you know I've got this I'm gonna be able to play Steam Frame th and
stream from like a a brandnew um uh Steam Machine that I built myself and that's
gonna be really cool So uh I That's why I saved my money and I didn't buy a Steam
Machine is cause I really want the Frame I'm really looking forward to s putting
it through its paces screwing around with it pl like s especially being able to play
in standalone mode or to play games like like flat like 2D 2D screen games uh in
VR is gonna be really really sick So I'm I don't know I'm looking forward to it
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Dude Goddammit, Val- all right, so I, what, I wonder what's
gonna happen to the world once all of Valve's hardware, like, releases,
'cause they've, we've been waiting for a while for all of this stuff.
Gardiner: Yes
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: even, I, I'm seeing sentiment for the Steam Machine
turn around too, because people w- like, 'cause, like, let's, let's
be honest, the first few reviews were not exactly stellar for it
Gardiner: No y I think like most of the rev the reviews that I saw were like
This is awesome it's just overpriced Like it's just not worth the the the money
But I think people are really kind of understanding that um having hardware
that's dedicated like to a specific purpose and having the software that
is designed for that hardware is just um a superior experience in a lot of
ways um rather than kind of the brute force like you know um genericism of
like the Windows PC gaming experience
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: More cores, more power, more specs, more money
Gardiner: I mean dude like that's literally w been my whole thesis like
from the time I started my YouTube channel is just like you know you can
you can like make a gaming experience on Windows but you're h you have to jump
through all of these hoops versus having a dedicated operating system that just
is for gaming and is hyperfocused on that it makes so much more sense that
way Um and that and like I've always kind of like doubted the idea of like
I've always lamented the fact that PCs were designed like the operating systems
weren't designed for the hardware right It's cool to have like that freedom
of being able to install whatever OS anywhere but like you know the Amiga
right The hardware and the software had assumptions about each other and and
they worked together The you know Apple's you know for all the the shit that we
give Apple they do make really great hardware and the software experience
for that hardware is also stellar And so for Valve to come through and to bring
the openness of the PC um while also delivering that software synergy for lack
of a better word is and people are really recognizing that fact that that they're
able to do that Uh I'm it's exciting
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: It's an un- it's an unusual situation, man.
I think, uh, I,
Gardiner: Yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: I, I mean, I don't know what's, I don't know what's
gonna happen these da- this day.
I mean, shit, man, everything's, everything's going wrong here.
Uh,
Gardiner: Yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: you know what else is going wrong, though?
Gardiner: Xbox
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Yes, especially their outage that they had very recently.
So last week we talked about PlayStation having an outage.
This week we're talking about Xbox having an outage this week, and the
crazy part, apparently the outage also affected disc games too,
Gardiner: Oh
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: physical games, unplayable
Gardiner: Yeah Well this might be Microsoft doing their best to sabotage
anyone who thinks owning disks is better than than having a digital only
version Uh this is crazy dude This is bananas So okay wait So Xbox they had
their biggest outage in recent memory Xbox's core service went down for over
15 hours Xbox's CTO took to Twitter to explain what went wrong Oh my gosh dude
So what caused the outage Do we know
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Um, it doesn't specify, but it was down for around 15 hours
And it's not just Xbox Live, like the online service, but
it's Xbox the whole thing.
So, I mean, yeah, it was, it was a pretty long time for it to be down and,
Gardiner: Mmhmm
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: but you also couldn't access your physical
library too, i- in certain cases.
Gardiner: Hmm
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: claims that shouldn't have happened, yet it did
Gardiner: You know when you build a uh When you build your infrastructure
in the same authoritarian way that you structure your uh company uh this is
bound to happen It there's there's no avoiding this Like when your central
server goes down uh and uh and all of the client devices rely on that central
server this will always happen when the central server goes down It's it's bananas
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: It al- uh, yeah, it also affected Xbox 360, Xbox
One, and the current gen, so
Gardiner: What Why Uh you know you know what devices wasn't uh device wasn't
uh affected by this The original Xbox the one that's still worth playing
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: The one that doesn't the one that is unfortunately not
connected to Xbox Live anymore.
You have to get, uh, what was it, Insignia or something like that?
Gardiner: yeah Well you know what else is you know you know who what other devices
weren't affected by this the the uh 360s have like R R RGH hacks where they
can kinda go their own way and not have to worry about Xbox's core s services
It's like dude give me a compelling give me more compelling reasons
to n to like you know thumb my nose at your authority Microsoft
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Dude, like s- we've seen outages from Steam, but like you can still
access your whole digital library too.
Like
Gardiner: Yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: l- remember Silksong release day?
Gardiner: Mmhmm
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Yeah, some… I mean, Steam was lagging up a storm.
Some people couldn't buy Silksong,
Gardiner: Mmhmm
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: but you could still play your games that, uh, and presumably
Silksong if you bought it in time
Gardiner: Yeah Well you know this just is proof positive that like uh building like
a digital only future requires careful planning and forethought And it shows that
Microsoft and Sony are companies that are incapable of that kind of uh carefulness
you know or having any attention to detail Like this is this is like by design I I
feel like Like you have to be incredibly negligent incredibly malicious to uh
to build Xbox Live or or PlayStation Network the way that they have built it
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Um, people say, and people argue that you're not changing
anything by switching from an all digital PlayStation to an all digital PC.
Like
Gardiner: Give me a break dude I mean okay so h when was the last
time Epic store went down Did that take people's libraries out
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: What libraries?
No one buys games on Epic
Gardiner: Roasted dude Got him
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Uh, I don't kn- I, to, and, but seriously though, I don't know.
Uh, see.
When, let's see, let's look it up right now.
Epic Games Store outage
Was there ever a Epic Games Store outage
that prevented people from playing their game libraries
Um, I mean, AI says yes.
Let's see if… Let's see what this news article says.
Let's see.
Oh, I found a tweet from Epic themselves in 2021.
"Outages currently impacting the Epic Games Store, logins, library,
purchases, et cetera." I mean, I don't know, that sound- it kinda sounds
like Epic Games went down and, uh, you couldn't access your Epic Games.
That's not, that's not very epic of you.
It's not very epic of them
Gardiner: No not not at all
Ugh dude th so like this is this is the yardstick by which every gamer who gives
a shit about their purchases be measuring companies by right It's like has there
been an outage of their service How long did it last And did it disable your access
to the games that you have purchased If the answer to that last one especially is
did it you know did it disable my access to my games Yes Then you should not be
spending your money on that service And it doesn't matter it does not matter if
they have an exclusive that you wanna play Guess what That's called FOMO Get over
it Uh dude it it it's it's genuinely so concerning to me that people can't think
beyond that like Oh I just wanna play this right now and I don't care if I w
won't have access to it later It's like dude chill out Stop Just don't don't fall
for the FOMO hype Ugh man it makes me so sick dude And you know o on the other
side it's like the people who think like that are victims of the the uh marketing
bullshit from these companies obviously Um and so I I have some sympathy but
also like bro we can't we cannot do this
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Now, I'm sure at some point in the past, like, I don't know,
maybe like the Stone Ages, Steam has had outages that prevented you from
playing Steam games, but like no recent outages have caused that in like the
last couple of years, to my knowledge
Gardiner: my I mean like there wa I I do remember like Christmas Day 2013 Do you
remember I mean it might have been 2012 or something but like over a decade ago there
was like uh uh you know you would log into Steam and somehow your session would get
confused with someone else's that caused um like y if you went to your cart y in
in the Steam store y you might see someone else's cart right Like the stuff that
they've loaded up in their cart and you're like What the f hell is going on and it
I think that that did throw off people's access to their libraries for a little bit
but you can lit you could literally just go into offline mode and still play Um I
have never seen the Steam store be taken I mean the S a Steam store outage affect
individual libraries before Um Yeah.
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Yeah I mean, I, I don't know.
I think these things are kind of inevitable, and I think what
matters most isn't preventing… Well, preventing them matters.
What I'm saying is what matters the most is their response to all, to any
of this, 'cause, I mean, hackers could try to take Steam down altogether,
and, I mean, I mean, what matters is figuring out if Valve is prepared
for something like that to happen,
Gardiner: Right
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: any of these companies.
Evidently Sony's not prepared for it whenever it happens.
Gardiner: Right
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: They get ha- they get hacked by fucking North
Korea Lazarus Group all the time
Gardiner: Hmm Like yes they do Uh but I mean dude even this this Xbox
outage took out people's ability to play physical games right Like this
is just this is beyond the pale Like this should never be acceptable and
there needs to be like a criminal probe into Microsoft for this I think
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Ah, man.
I don't know, I don't know if we'll ever see such a thing, but you know
who should be criminally probed?
Nvidia.
And AMD
Gardiner: Nvidia
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: for that matter
Gardiner: Yeah yes I agree I don't know if I ha Is There a translation tool
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: There should be.
Um, like your, if you go to your address bar and the,
Gardiner: yeah
right there
yeah.
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Yeah, Yeah so essentially it's a 20 to 30% price hike
Gardiner: Wow
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Interesting.
But essentially, um, they're telling their partners that they're gonna increase the
prices of all of this stuff again, 20 to 30%, 'cause the way they sell GPUs is
they sell the GPU and the, and the, um, memory, the VRAM, in a single package.
Gardiner: Oh wow
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Like, there's no way to get just the GPU
and then source your own DRAM
Gardiner: Wow That Ah dude that's crazy
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Uh, it's the third price increase after
January and May of this year.
It's, uh, three times this year?
Gardiner: Yeah Mmhmm
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: mind.
I like how they translate NVIDIA to Huida.
Gardiner: Yeah, Right Wow I didn't even pick up on that
That's what that means yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Yeah dude.
I don't know, but I, I don't know.
But we, we get the idea.
Gardiner: is that like a Chinese exonym for uh
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: I don't know.
I'm not, I'm not that kind of Asians, bro.
Sorry.
Gardiner: yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Uh, but like yes, essentially price increases.
They saw a price increase for the 5090 in May,
Gardiner: Hmm
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: and, uh, I don't know.
I
Gardiner: This is bananas
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: j- I mean, we say, we say you should go to PC gaming, but like PC
gaming's got its own trouble in paradise
Gardiner: Yes and it's called Nvidia
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Oh,
Gardiner: Well
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: be…
Gardiner: no um because AMD's doing the exact same thing
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Yes.
It was wa- it was just waiting for Nvidia to do it first, as per tradition
Gardiner: Dude this is this is what you call a duopoly right This is a monopoly by
any other name Uh and Uh, AMD, just waits for NVIDIA to give them the cover to raise
their prices and then they're like Well it's the market it's not This is insanity
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Uh AMD,
AMD.
AMD They never fail to capitalize on things.
It's a good thing you bought your GPU, uh, when you did.
Otherwise
Gardiner: Dude tell me about it Otherwise
I'd be spending 800 for uh the 9050 four gigabyte model coming up soon
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Nah
Gardiner: Dude all of the This is these are all related so I hope
you don't mind I'm kinda running through all of these but like
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Hey man, don't worry about it, man.
So they have two variants, the four gigabyte model,
which to be fair is OEM only,
Gardiner: Mmhmm
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: and an eight gigabyte model, which is, uh, 279, which is not
worth at its price, I should mention.
It's literal… I might, I… I- is it too much to say it's literal e-waste?
Gardiner: Well it depends I mean like cause okay so eight gigabytes of VRAM is
actually enough for 1080p gaming Right.
Like if you're still using 1080p monitor or if you don't mind having like a 1080p
signal for your 8 4K TV or whatever it might not be that big of ewaste
especially if see I'm not a hardware guy So this is just me speculating but like
I genuinely feel like this probably isn't as big of a deal as we're all making
it The four gigabyte is objectively ewaste right Like I don't that's capable
of doing uh 1080p But eight gigs I think that that's more than capable
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Right So according to this website though, if you scroll
up on the relative performance list
Gardiner: Oh Yeah, right here Yep
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Yeah scroll… S-
Gardiner: Steam Machine GPU
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: It's 130%.
Gardiner: Okay You're you've got to you ha you've actually fucked up if
you've if you're manufacturing new hardware in 2026 and it's like behind
the Steam Machine GPU in performance that's that's pretty pals uh uh paltry
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: There's another, there, there's an entry for the
eight gigabyte version, and it's also weaker than the Steam Machine as well.
Gardiner: Is
it really
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: but like not nearly as bad
Gardiner: Uh it's the f the 9060 or is it the
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: 90/50.
Gardiner: 9050
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Yeah, hold on.
Let me, let, let me pull it up for you.
Gardiner: 9050 four uh eight gigabyte not seeing that
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: I
Gardiner: oh
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: I got it for you
Gardiner: Okay cool
Click share this tab All right
Steam Machine GPU Oh it's it's it's marginally better It's like
17 points ahead of the previous Wow
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: It's still a,
Gardiner: It's still
worse than the Steam Machine GPU
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: it, it is, and at 279 it's not a cheap card
Gardiner: No I okay the only All Right, yeah So maybe you're right.
Maybe it it would be fair to call it ewaste I mean the only the only way that
this isn't ewaste is one if it doesn't need if it can just draw bus power from
the PCI card And it doesn't need like you know PCIe power from your power supply
that way A and and if it comes in like a uh a single slot like
half height v and you could put it in like a NAS or something to do
transcoding or whatever that might be okay But like I just don't see this
being practical right now you know
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Right
Gardiner: I don't
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: And I mean, the way I see it, man, I mean, heck, it
draws… According to the description, it, it uses an eight-pin connector
Gardiner: Why
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: I don't know.
Gardiner: Okay wait So it's RDNA 4 right Four nanometer
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Right
Gardiner: nanometer process Uh what does it have for So The clock speed
is 1920 megahertz Boost clock is 2600 megahertz Where does that put it a
against like uh the like the 9060
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: The regular… Is that what you have, the 9060 or the 9060XT?
Gardiner: 9070 XT
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Oh.
Uh, I got the 9060XT.
Where's the… What are we comparing again?
Clock speeds?
Gardiner: Clock speed yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Uh, it's got, uh, the game clock is a fair bit higher with the,
uh, 9070 XT at n- uh, 2,530 megahertz.
Gardiner: Mmhmm
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Boost clock goes even higher at thir- uh, 3,130 megahertz,
Gardiner: Okay
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: and memory clock is, like, 250 hertz faster
Gardiner: Mm And then uh for units this the what is this The 9050
eight gigabyte has 1024 shading units uh and TMUs it has 64
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: So the 96 XT has like double all, double most of these specs.
So it's…
Gardiner: And what does that go retail
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: The 9060
Gardiner: Yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: XT?
That's a good question.
Let's find out
Um, uh, 459.99.
I'm, I, I'll admit it is like double the price almost.
Well, no, it's not double the price.
It's like 50% more expensive
Gardiner: Mmhmm Yeah I mean dude like it it Okay so it's not gonna fit in like a
a limited NAS setup right Single card you know slot or like half height or anything
like that Um that sucks And then it's half the performance um at half the price and
a lot of games are not gonna support it that that sucks But like also I do think
that like game budgets and like game performance targets are overinflated So
I think that it could be an opportunity for game studios to reel uh the the
graphics the graphics back and just like focus on gameplay that's actually fun
I don't know cause I I don't find graphics fun I find the gameplay fun So I
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Man, I, I don't, I couldn't tell you.
I couldn't tell you what's happening these days.
Everything's all fucked up
Gardiner: Dude the 90 Okay the RX 9050 eight gigabyte is worse than
the freaking Arc A580 so by like 2 So like and the and it's worse than
the R RTX 2060 Super Like that's pretty that's pretty bad like in 2026
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Dude, the B580 is like $200,
Gardiner: Yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: base price
Gardiner: Right And the B580 is 139 of the performance of the 9050 8 gig
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Let's see how much the, let's see how much the B580 is.
Uh, B580 with 12 gigs of VRAM, 300 bucks.
It's almost the same price.
What the hell?
Gardiner: Wow
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: It's $300, at least this ASRock, this ASRock one is
Gardiner: Asrock Asrock
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Dude, what is going on?
What is going on with AMD?
Seriously
Gardiner: Yeah well I like I said they're part of the duopoly man It's th
they're just they just wait for Sony or for um Nvidia to them the the coverage
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: God, I hate glazing Intel because Intel was
the problem, like, last decade.
Gardiner: Mmhmm
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: But, like, Intel's fallen hard.
Gardiner: Yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: It's like what, it's like what happened to Xbox and Microsoft.
Shit.
Gardiner: Yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: So I don't mind rooting for Nvidia… I mean, uh,
Intel to hopefully take some, claw back some market share, 'cause goddamn
Gardiner: Yeah I feel that Uh dude speaking of uh the mighty falling
Sony console generation leader for for multiple generations now uh doubling
down on axing physical game discs and uh they're moving ahead cautiously according
to their CFO Uh tell us about this HiTech
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: So their response reads as like a, "Oh,
we've heard your feedback."
Gardiner: And we don't care
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Yeah, so they, so apparently they've heard,
they've heard o- they've heard our complaints loud and clear,
Gardiner: Mmhmm
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: and, uh, they don't care.
I mean, well, I mean, if they cared, they would've been like we- they
would've said at the very least, "We're reconsidering it," but no, they're
just moving, they're just moving forward 'cause no one gives a fuck
Gardiner: We'll make more money if we don't listen to what you have to say
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Yeah.
Gardiner: it anyway
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Unfortunately though, we have to consider if this is also
actually true that people… Like, the silent majority rule, we can't
for- we can never forget about that.
I'm wondering if that's in effect here too, if there's just that many
PlayStation gamers out there just living their lives buying COD and FIFA
and, um, Madden every year digitally
Gardiner: Mmhmm
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: G-
Gardiner: they are it's by design right Like the m Sony wa has wanted this as
bad as Microsoft has for at least one console generation right but they saw
the marketing opportunity uh you know in 2020 in 2013 or whenever to screw over
Xbox and so they took it But they've wanted this just as long as Microsoft
has And so this is this is about like Well it's we're done pretending We don't
care uh and we stand to make way more money if we have a complete monopoly over
distribution Um and that's what this is
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Ah, fuck man.
So, I mean, what, I mean, what more is there to say?
Sony has killed it.
They're moving forward.
They said they've heard our feedback and it's over.
Now, the real question though, the, the, but the real battle is
not this year or even next year
Gardiner: Mmhmm
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: How many of the people that claim that PlayStation's dead
and that they hate it are gonna…
I mean, I don't doubt us not buying PlayStation 6s,
Gardiner: Mmhmm
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: but like your average guy on the internet sees the next
like Spider-Man game, PS6 exclusive, God of War, uh, God of War Six or
whatever, God of War V or Six or Seven
Gardiner: Yeah I mean that's doing a lot of assumptions though because the the big
question is there even be a PS6 or like a Xbox a next generation Xbox Because
the way RAM prices are going I don't see this shit um getting any better by then
Things are only going to get worse for you know hardware prices I just don't
I don't even know if Sony's gonna be able to release an affordable console
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Dude, $1,000 PlayStation 6.
Who's looking forward to that?
Gardiner: A 1400 PlayStation 6 Like dude that's where shit's going
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Take it or leave it
Gardiner: Oh my God dude Yeah we're we're in we're in the deep shit now dude and
it's it's just gonna keep getting worse
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Xbox isn't much better too, and word has it, you get- y-
did you hear about, um, did you hear about how Project Helix or whatever
it's called was gonna run Steam games?
Gardiner: No Oh yeah I heard that it Yeah I heard that it was going to s to run them
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: I've heard that they're reconsidering that.
Gardiner: Yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: In fact, they might be reconsidering putting
Xbox games on Steam altogether
Gardiner: Yeah Yep That I mean
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: And
Gardiner: sense from the business perspective for them
You know if if they wanna if they wanna move consoles the way
you move consoles is by selling exclusives That's how you do it And
I know it's gonna piss off a lot of people and I think uh you know leadership
at Xbox has has really con set themself up now Like previous leadership at
Xbox have set themselves up for failure now because they're going to have to
go back to exclusives if they wanna move consoles and that's just n people
are not gonna be happy about that
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Yeah, but the other question is what Xbox exclusives, like
modern Xbox exclusives are even worth it?
Like
Gardiner: Yeah Not
many Yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: I've heard, Ha- I've heard mixed opinions
on Halo: Campaign Evolved.
I mean, I'm sure it's, I'm sure it's a fine game, but, like,
it's not super interesting.
It's Halo 1, and I have Halo 1 on Steam.
Gardiner: Well dude and also like Microsoft is right now divesting of
like some of their most valuable IP I mean Psychonauts right Like D Double
Fine right They they've they sold that off They sold off a bunch of other
studios They've they've uh they had a hit with um Oh my God what was that
what was that game that e the Japanese game that everybody loved and I I
can't remember the name of it The Xbox
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Lost Odyssey?
Gardiner: No no Um it most like within the last
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Oh, HiFi Rush
Gardiner: HiFi Rush Yeah they had like a hit with that and then they were like
Oh uh it didn't sell enough copies so we're just gonna fucking kill the studio
And then it's like Microsoft has not had any kind of strategy for Xbox at
all And so like and I mean Hi-Fi Rush
was like one of the few like original IPs coming to Xbox and they didn't they
didn't uh capitalize on it Uh oh i I mean right now what does Microsoft have
for for first party c uh games They have Halo and that's a dead franchise
basically They have Gears of War
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Don't say that
Gardiner: Dude it is it is How many times have has Microsoft rereleased
Halo Campaign Evolved or uh Combat Evolved Five times Six times Like they
have no original ideas and there's no creativity i in the team behind uh Halo
anymore And they've what they have Gears of War they have uh Forza right And
it's like what else has Microsoft done that's original in the last decade I
genuinely I that's a genuine question That they haven't also immediately
squandered right Like HiFi Rush
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Forza
Gardiner: Yeah but like Forza it's the s it's just driving again Like Forza
Horizon 6 was pretty fun but like I've played that game before I'm
driving on the the other side of the road It's like whoopdedoo Yeah
And which just got a rerelease of the original game which is pretty
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Yeah, and they're coming out with a new,
uh, a new prequel too, I guess
Gardiner: Yeah Oh Yeah.
I did see that yeah But I mean but like I'm talking like original like what
original IPs has Microsoft like developed in the last decade Very few if any
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Yeah I don't know, man.
It's
Gardiner: I'm sorry I'm depressing This is this is getting very depressed
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: i- it is, it is, but it's the truth.
What matters is it's the truth.
Sony doesn't give a fuck.
Microsoft… I mean, I would say PC gaming, but PC gaming's
becoming far too expensive.
Gardiner: Mmhmm
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: imagine a world where the Steam Machine ends up being the
cheapest and arguably best option.
I mean, not objectively, not objectively best because it's not the most
performed, but, like, best bang per buck
Gardiner: Well I mean yeah if it does then you're gonna have to protect it
man Like uh like this guy did where he built built a Steam machine that
like prevents his family members from playing it because he wants to
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: So he built spikes and a working taser.
Gardiner: That
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: I'm assuming that's a working taser
Gardiner: yeah Oh that's a taser
I thought that was Like a
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Like a spotlight?
Gardiner: Yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Nah, man, that's a t- nah, man, it's a fucking taser
Gardiner: my God dude W so why did so he built this because he
didn't want his family playing his Steam Machine or Steam Deck
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Well, I'm sure he just built it for shits and giggles, but
that's his, quote, "justification."
Gardiner: Oh Oh my gosh
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: way there w- no way he would actually build this
and leave it around for kids to accidentally, like, get electrocuted with
Gardiner: Right Oh my gosh this is ridiculous Okay so all right So tell me
tell me more about this Like what uh Oh my gosh So it looks like 3Dprinted spikes
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Yes, three-prong spikes, and it has a functioning taser.
They rigged up a Raspberry Pi.
They have an, quote, "object detection camera." It plays a, quote,
"goofy audio clip," and it sets off a taser, a front-mounted taser
Gardiner: Very funny Hmm
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: I don't know, I don't know if this is functional
without being plugged in.
I'm g- I'm gonna level with you.
And I don't know how much more battery this thing would take y- because
you have a taser attached to it
Gardiner: Usually tasers have their own battery so you'd you'd have
to charge it independently but
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: true, true
Gardiner: huh
And so he did So apparently this Redditor didn't wanna simply put a password on his
Steam Deck and leave it This minimizes the risk to them touching my Steam Deck
at all Uh they are forced to ask for permission now Wow This is And then he
said that This is easily the dumbest thing I've ever built but it works and
nobody touches my Steam Deck anymore
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Yeah, I can see why.
Gardiner: Yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Uh,
Gardiner: Wow
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: might be time for you to build your own fortified Steam
Deck with a, with, uh, mount- mounting tasers and, uh, heck, why not- why
not add some machine guns to it too?
Gardiner: Right Turn it into a a Steam or a Portal turret
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Oh my God, do it Gardner.
We have to see it.
Gardiner: Yeah Well I mean thankfully everyone in my house has um uh their
own Steam Machine so that's pretty cool Or a Steam Deck I should say Um
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: has her own
Gardiner: yeah She has So she has the one that Valve sent me originally and
then I have my my Steam Deck that I Oh no I have the OLED that Valve sent
me and then I bought a Steam Deck like after Valve sent me one to review and I
ended
up selling that to my brother so
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Nice, nice.
Gardiner: But you know you know what There is some other Good news?
in the Steam uh in the Steam Deck world
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Good news
Gardiner: uh frame pacing for the Steam Deck has improved is pretty awesome I
mean uh like I've already been pretty happy with Steam Steam Deck performance
cause most of the games I play are like 2D sidescrollers Um but uh no this is
pretty cool So tell us about this HiTech
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: More performance is never a bad thing, even for 2D side-scrollers.
But essentially, this improves your 1% lows.
And for those who don't know, your 1% lows are an average of all of your 1%
lowest frame rates throughout, like, a session or a benchmark or whatever,
Gardiner: Mmhmm
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: and it's an average of that.
So essentially, your 1% lows are super important because that
dictates game feel because it's like you're stuttering and stuff, right
Gardiner: Yeah So if you if if an average frame takes you know 15
milliseconds but then um every once in a while it takes 30 milliseconds
those are gonna be your 1 lows And that's and you'll feel that right?
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Right.
And so this meta engineer, uh, David Vernet, pr- seems like a pretty
cool guy 'cause he built something that made the Steam Deck better.
EPP boost, it changes how CPU cores swap between performance modes without waiting
for the clocks to increase manually.
Um,
Gardiner: Uh
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: and so it improved the 99%, uh, percentile frame time by 4.1%.
Uh, average frame rate stayed the same for the most part, but an increase… But
it was still an increase to your 1% lows.
And in some cases he's observed a 31% increase to your 1% lows
Gardiner: Wow That's really cool a meta engineer
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Yeah, so he, uh,
Gardiner: Wow
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: he, uh, works on Linux stuff from Meta, I guess.
I don't know
Gardiner: That's cool I will say like Meta is actually a pretty um prolific open
source contributor which is good of them
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Uh, if they, they could be, they could be a better company.
Gardiner: They could be yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: And they have the, the, they could pivot around and
sell all their ability to, they could just stop taking data and,
like, be a good company, but yeah
Gardiner: They could
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: They probably couldn't hire guys like David Vernet though.
Gardiner: Mmhmm
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Yeah, so th- that's besides the point though.
The point is that it's a, it's not just, it's not just a k- pr- kernel patch, but
it's also, it's not just for the Steam Deck, but it's also for AMD CPUs as well.
Um,
Gardiner: Mmhmm
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: you go to the Phoronix page, I think you might see a link
to their, the whole manifest there.
Uh, so yeah, it, it's got more details.
We should've linked to Phoronix instead
Gardiner: This patch series
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Yeah.
So this patch series, yes, I think that's what it is.
There we go.
It's a long, long… So I scoured it,
Gardiner: Hmm
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: and it appears to be a CPU patch.
So in theory, any device that uses an AMD CPU should benefit
Gardiner: That's super cool
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Which includes our Steam machines, your home
brew one and my actual one
Gardiner: Absolutely Dude see this is the power of open source right Like I w
I remember w uh I was watching uh I don't remember who it was but I was watching a
YouTuber who built his own Steam machine and he wasn't like a Linux guy but he
was a gaming guy And he and then he ran an update and the update said When this
update runs or After this update finish it will free like 20 megabytes from
your from your drive And he was like An update that frees storage Like how is
that possible But like it just shows that like everyone's conditioned to like uh
by Microsoft especially to like expect just evergrowing bloat right And so it
might have been Luke Lafreniere from uh LTT who said that But it's like that
kind of That's the kind of thing that with open source that you just cannot
expect from closed source software and like everybody works together to make
the kernel better and that's really really exciting I don't know I love it
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Yes, yes.
Uh, and I mean, I, I don't fully understand everything that
happened, like, in this manifest.
I did read it through.
I tried to glance over what I could, but it's still, it's still impressive
that there's still so much to, like, squeeze out of this hardware.
Gardiner: Oh
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: It really makes you wonder how games would run if
everyone was perfectly efficient
Gardiner: Yeah Dude I mean it uh I think it shows the artificiality of the progress
uh of hardware right Like is so much to be squeezed out of the Steam Machine and
the Steam Deck It's like when people are like Oh well it's uh it's dated hardware
it's like if you go back and grab like you know an Apple II that's that hardware
still runs the the software that was written for it and it runs it great you
know It's like at a certain point like what kind of progress do we have when we
expect all of the stuff we're buying today to be ewaste tomorrow Like I don't I just
want people to realize like that the the progress that we all experience is a lot
of like FOMO and hype and bullshit and it doesn't actually make sense a lot of the
time It's like there's still so much you can do with a Steam Deck There's still
so much you can do with a Steam Machine Um and it's it's uh yeah I don't know
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Well, hopefully at some point though, I mean, the idea is
that the Steam Machine h- the Steam Deck held up pretty well as like the lo- the
low-end like base standard that every like developer should develop against.
Gardiner: Yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: I'm hoping the Steam Machine is that way too moving forward.
I know at some point the Steam Deck's gonna be outdated in
like another five years or so.
Gardiner: Yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: But I think I, I, I mean, sh-
Gardiner: decade on from its release yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: yeah
Gardiner: But you know e even then it'll still be able to play games like the GOG
games you know Games that are like old uh outdated but still m definitely worth
playing And uh what a segue that was to our next story GOG Galaxy is coming
to Linux this is this is super cool
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
So you know that job listing that they mentioned needing a Linux engineer?
Gardiner: Yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: They found him,
Gardiner: Yep
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: and they're getting him up to speed, and
they're, uh, doing stuff right now.
It's not out yet, j- just to be clear.
Gardiner: Yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: They say it's a significant
undertaking, but it's happening
Gardiner: Yeah It this uh this has been telegraphed for quite some time I mean y
Like you said there was that job listing and it's been one of the most requested
features for GOG Galaxy on GOG Um and and it's cool You know and uh and if you have
a a library on GOG you can already use Heroic Game Launcher which is a tremendous
tool that gives you not only access to your GOG library but also uh your Epic
Games library and um there's one other one Amazon I think Um and it's it's it's
super neat so um definitely check out Heroic But you know there are some cool
things that that uh Galaxy does that I don't think Heroic does And uh it'll
just be cool to have firstparty support
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Like what the, like what the, I don't,
I don't know what Galaxy does.
Gardiner: Well I believe there are achievements in Galaxy that I don't think
Heroic supports um and stuff like that
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Oh, well is it, is it not possible or I guess
Gardiner: I don't know I'm not 100 sure Um actually you know what I might
have misspoken Heroic GOG achievements Um but also like with The other thing
is with GOG being invested in making a firstparty client for Linux it also
makes them uh somewhat invested in you know improving Linux performance
overall and maybe next time we see a kernel update uh f or or a kernel patch
came from GOG to to improve performance
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: GOG is good stuff, man.
I mean, I don't spend a whole lot of money there personally.
I don't, I don't think I've ever spent… I'm not gonna lie, I don't
think I've ever spent any money at GOG.
Gardiner: Mmhmm
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: But I have, but I have a GOG library in my account for some reason.
I have a bunch of games somehow.
And they, they, they just magically show up in my fucking library
Gardiner: Well I mean dude Amazon like if you buy like games on Amazon um or if
you have like Amazon Prime and you redeem those um monthly free games you'll often
get a bunch of uh GOG games from it Um
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: That's true, ' cause,
Gardiner: yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: I have one of those.
I have a Twitch Prime.
My sister pays for Amazon… Well, I have an Amazon Prime, but my sister pays for
it, because she does all the shopping.
And so free Amazon Prime.
Life hack, have someone else pay your subscriptions for you.
Gardiner: Yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Uh, but yeah, I, I mean, it… Shit, man.
It's good stuff
Gardiner: Yeah Uh dude so it's pretty cool I mean I I just love to see this
this kind of thing happening And of course uh Liam got the scoop and was able to
actually talk to uh the CE the new CEO Krzysztof uh Paplinski Uh and Krzysztof
said Linux continues to be one of the topics we hear the most about from our
community and we really appreciate the passion and patience of everyone who's
been asking about it Uh following the role we announced earlier this year we now have
the specialist on board and are actively exploring the best ways to approach
Linux support for GOG Galaxy This is a significant undertaking so we're not ready
to share any specific plans timelines or results just yet Uh it's very much uh
an an uh an arena we're investing time and effort into Also like know they're
they're gonna be distributing games you know Linux game or games for Linux uh
through this client and that means that they might be They might just be leaning
on Proton right Proton is open source The
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: would, they would have to 'cause they, they do have Windows games
on there, Windows only games on there too
Gardiner: Exactly And so if they if if they start inc incorporating Proton that
means that they might just uh be pushing changes upstream that help support uh the
games on their platform which will then thereby make Proton that much better And
this is the kind This is the virtuous cycle of um you know open source You
know you get m m multiple stakeholders involved uh who are making money off
of this stuff and paying developers to improve the open source And and that
is why open source is so powerful and so much better than uh than proprietary
software Um also I it looks like I was wrong I think Heroic does actually support
uh GOG um achievements But still having like software developing Linux software
improves open source for everybody so
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Right.
Like, I think, I mean, I don't, I mean, I'm sure in some way this'll
make, uh, Hero Games better too.
I'm, I'm not, I don't know what would be better, but I'm sure
it'll, it'll improve somehow, right?
Gardiner: Yeah, I mean if if like I said if uh GOG is is uh improving the Linux
kernel or if they're improving Proton that benefits Heroic as well right
Because Pro they they rely on Wine and Proton to uh to in order to distribute
those games now and that's a good thing
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Yeah man, it's… I, I wanna try out GOG Galaxy on Steam.
I, I wonder how it's gonna… I, I know, like, you could probably
just run a s- Linux desktop and I think it'd be preferable.
But I wanna know how it interacts with, like, the Steam game system.
If you're just gonna have to add, like, the GOG Galaxy
shortcut as a non-Steam game.
Probably, right?
Gardiner: Yeah I'm not sure Um I think yeah you might Yeah I think
that's probably what's gonna happen is you'll add it as a nonSteam game
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Eh, it is what it is
Gardiner: Yeah hopefully I don't know I don't think I've actually used Galaxy uh
that much but I it would be really cool if they also supported like controller
input I don't know if they do or not
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: I think they'd have to if they want… Yeah, uh, I think they
should, if they don't already, that is.
Gardiner: Yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: like we should tell Liam to tell them that.
Gardiner: Yeah hopefully they watch What's up GOG team
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: What's up, GOG team?
Gardiner: Uh you know what I hope uh GOG doesn't rely on though is AI slop
for their development or vibe coding And here LinkedIn is actually starting
to hopefully clean up AI slop on their platform because uh it's pretty bad on
LinkedIn I don't know if you've been on LinkedIn in a while but it's pretty bad
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: I've seen posts from LinkedIn and it's
all… Okay, okay, okay, okay.
LinkedIn is the platform you use to, like, connect with, like,
your boss or some shit, or,
Gardiner: Yyyeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: hired.
No one wants to read… LinkedIn is the worst place to, like, put your
social media stuff on, all right?
Let, let's just put it that way.
Gardiner: Yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: there to l- you, you have a LinkedIn profile to look pretty and to
attract some potential, uh, employers,
Gardiner: Mmhmm
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: and not to, like, rant about shit.
That's what Twitter is for, or Facebook even
Gardiner: Yeah is uh the objective uh like the platonic ideal of the
rat race Like d do you know what like you know what a rat race is
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Right, yeah
Gardiner: yeah
so it like uh it so uh frick ideal meaning like it's like the prototypical
It's like the the Like if you could imagine the the best possible version
and in this case uh that the best version of a r rat race would be the worst
version That's what I'm saying Like
it's
just bad It's so bad
Ugh
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Dude, they're adding a, seems like AI slot button.
It seems like a AI slot.
Now,
Gardiner: Mmhmm
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: LinkedIn is not that kind of platform where you
get like hate brigades and all that bullshit, but like… Yeah.
Here's my thing, here's my thing too with LinkedIn too.
Gardiner: Hmm
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: People need to just shut the fuck up and not post their
personal stuff on LinkedIn, all right?
Gardiner: Well Well, people just need to not use LinkedIn
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Well the… Yes, that too, but like that's too
much to ask for at this point
Gardiner: Yeah Dude did you know so Microsoft owns LinkedIn So I feel
like this is progress for Microsoft
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: They own LinkedIn?
Gardiner: you didn't know that
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: When did this happen?
Gardiner: Fucking like 13 years ago dude
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: What?
Gardiner: Dude yeah you didn't know that Microsoft owns LinkedIn
Microsoft paid more to acquire LinkedIn than they paid to acquire GitHub
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: No fucking way.
Gardiner: Yes
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: That's crazy.
Gardiner: believe you didn't know that Dude,
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Dude I wasn't on, I wasn't on G- I wasn't
on LinkedIn 13 years ago.
I wouldn't know this, I wouldn't know this shit
Gardiner: Yeah okay That's fair I was Dude
oh man Wait let me let me just double check When did Microsoft acquire
LinkedIn Linked In Good Lord I can't type This was posted 2016 so 10 years ago
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Dude
Gardiner: They paid 262 billion to acquire LinkedIn and they paid like 13 billion to
acquire GitHub Isn't that fricking crazy
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Yeah, and turns out GitHub was more valuable.
Gardiner: Oh yeah way more
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: But, here's the thing though, like GitHub is more
easily replaceable 'cause you can just host, self-host your
own like Git style repository.
Valve does that.
Gardiner: Right
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Yeah.
Uh, also, also I just wanted to mention something, uh, uh, about…
This is going back to GOG, but like I just wanna mention this.
This game is on GOG, and it's part of their, uh, part of
their Good Old Game preserved.
Gardiner: Oh yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Remember this game?
It's, it's called Hatred.
Gardiner: Yep
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: it's the one that got a bunch of controversy.
Gardiner: I do remember this
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: I remember seeing the trailer.
Gardiner: Oh,
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Oh my God
Gardiner: Yeah Dude do you Okay so this game is 2026 ready I wonder if
these uh preserved games are also going to be like Linux ready or something
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: I mean, I, I, I feel like that's part, that's probably the hurdle
that they're going through right now.
They don't have, they don't have like a full on Linux infrastructure
the way Valve does just yet
Gardiner: Yeah I I mean that is also like a huge benefit I think of having
a a GOG client And maybe maybe like making sure it's Windows 11 tested
also means it's Proton ready you know
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: I'm
Gardiner: Yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: I'm sure once they, uh, figure things out, they'll add
a little Linux badge right there.
Linux verified
Gardiner: Yeah that would be that would be cool Ah dude
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Mm, don't sh- put, put this on your LinkedIn, "Developed hatred."
Gardiner: Uh
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Uh
Gardiner: know at lea you know what's really cool is like GOG has this
preservation program right I just think that that's fricking awesome
It means that like these these like artifacts I mean I don't know how like
culturally relevant Hatred was but like a lot of like these older games
are getting preserved right Meanwhile
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Oh.
Gardiner: are over here buying up old books scanning and then destroying
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: I knew you were… I knew that you were gonna go for it.
Gardiner: You knew it You you freaking knew it dude
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Yes
Gardiner: So I wrote an article and actually Dash and I worked on an
article together Um Dash sent me uh a a a news story It was about this
right Like that these AI companies are buying these antique books right
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Mm-hmm.
Gardiner: the spine
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Yep
Gardiner: books scanning each page and then pulping the book And it was our
number one most viewed article of all time
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: What?
Gardiner: front page of Reddit
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Hold on.
I gotta see this.
No fucking way
Gardiner: Yes dude Um and uh uh dude so these companies uh here let me show
you on my screen So companies are now destroying warehouses full of rare books
A provocative title but one I stand behind right Because that's what they're
doing They're scanning these books and then they are destroying them And like
there's actually video footage I got from the news article This is what they're
doing And like it's one thing to say they're slicing the spine off these books
and then pulping it you know scanning it and then pulping it but that's l
like it's another thing entirely to actually witness the destruction right
Like look at this This is vulgar to me This is like w this is as disgusting
to me as like a book burning you know
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Fahrenheit 451?
Gardiner: Absolutely dude Absolutely
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: At least, at least in Fahrenheit 451, the firefighters
treated the books with more decorum, 'cause they viewed it as a threat.
Whereas here they just treat it as just nothing
Gardiner: slop to you know slop fodder I mean literally Dash uh in their section um
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Oh
Gardiner: Fahrenheit 451 Like this is yeah this is uh It's it's just insane And and
honestly I think that this is a form of cultural genocide right Um book burnings
uh you know are are widely recognized to be a form of cultural genocide and
this while this isn't like literally book burning it also absolutely is
These are these are books that are being destroyed the Like physically destroyed
and the scans of these books are not being added to like a public library for
any The these books are being scanned withheld from the public and being sold
to AI uh training houses in order to like for these companies that are doing
this destruction to make a profit This is this is literally cultural genocide
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Here's the thing too, though.
Here's the thing too, is that there are ways to scan books
without being destructive.
We've b- th- they've been doing this for, like, decades at this point.
Gardiner: Yep
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: They s- y- there are… I d- I don't have any videos of,
uh, the book scan- I've seen the book scanning tech, and it's meticulous.
It's safe, and it preserves it, because some of these books are, like, so
fragile that they'll probably, like, crumble to dust when you touch them
Gardiner: Yeah Yeah It's uh it's crazy There are non I I said in my article
there are noninvasive ways to scan books and there's no legitimate purpose for
destroying these ones but the destruction is a bonus These companies get to make
a copy of these public domain books and then pulp the remains They're rare so
that means they're hard to find and after their destruction the company has one of
the few digital copies and the physical ones become that much more harder to
find Then they can turn around and sell their data set to other AI companies
The destruction is the point right
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: That's… Damn, that's… Damn, that's insidious.
I didn't think, I didn't even think about that aspect too
Gardiner: And so also one of the things that that I I I like kinda I saw that
the uh article was shared on Reddit and I saw a few comments uh in the antiAI uh
where people were saying that this what I said here was kind of thoughtprovoking
and so I wanted to read this too AI is not destroying rare books We are Saying AI
is destroying books uh is a bad idea for many reasons First it bla it frames LLMs
as having agency or like it's capable of making decision Let's be clear they are
not Second a blaming AI itself distracts us from the culprit of these crimes
the AI companies There should be real tangible monetary consequences for this
crime against culture and mankind Publish uh punishment for anyone who owns and
operates these companies Lastly and most importantly if you use the AI chatbots
you're complicit right We can stop this through regulation through protest and
through divesting from AI right So tha that's And someone said that that was
really thoughtprovoking because um a lot of the time we default to blaming the AI
as if like oh AI is inevitable and this is just how AI is has to do things But
these are decisions that are being made by people not by AI These are companies
that are looking to profit from this kind of stuff from this destruction and we
cannot sit by and complacently blame the AI models They're not at fault The people
behind these companies who are making these decisions must be held accountable
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Damn, I, I, I don't know what more to say.
Th- this is a terrible, terrible project and
Gardiner: Yeah
Yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Is there any way, is there any way for these, like,
book-burning firms to be seized and also maybe release the, uh, public,
release the, uh, digitized copies?
'Cause the physical copies are gone.
Gardiner: Yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: But if we can digitize the copies that still exist,
we may be able to preserve them
Gardiner: Yeah I mean so my understanding is that at least one of the companies
that's doing this is actually Canadian So there's a good chance that like a
government that actually functions like the Canadian government could put a stop
to this And I think that there was some legislation that just went through uh
or that was proposed that would prevent this from continuing at least on Canadian
soil Um so that's a good thing at least There's a little bit of hope We need we
need to like we need to have hope We need to be outraged We need to pitchfork you
know pitchfork angry mob kind of shit um because this is It's just unacceptable It
it's obscene It it's profoundly disgusting Ugh dude Also you know what you know what
else is obscene This fricking satanic little robot What the hell is this dude
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: So it's a little robot centaur designed to save people
from, like, disaster situations.
Gardiner: Yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: I don't think we've had a real disaster situation that would warrant
the use of this just yet in recent memory,
Gardiner: Hmm
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: but, like, damn, look at, look at, look at it
holding a chainsaw like that, man.
Is it not, is that not crazy?
Gardiner: why does it need horns
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Hmm.
Gardiner: why does it n it the it needs a chains operating a chainsaw That's
wild It looks like it has a special hand to manipulate the chainsaw Uh
but
why does it need a goat head with horns
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: All of them to make it easier to slice
you open with its chainsaw,
Gardiner: Yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: It's
Gardiner: Oh my gosh
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: but like we haven't, they haven't tested this out yet
because they haven't had like a major disaster, but like it's an,
it's a startup from California.
It's a two meter tall robotic centaur.
I can understand having four legs, uh, for a robot like this, and heck it's even
useful as like a horse too, in case you need to rescue someone that can't walk
Gardiner: Mmhmm
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: But like, yeah, the horns are like, why though?
Gardiner: Yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Maybe that's where his wi- maybe that's where
his Wi-Fi antennas are attached.
Gardiner: Maybe Yeah it's really creepy looking I this is like unsettling
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Oh, it's a remote operator too, by the way.
It's not like AI yet.
Gardiner: Well that's good
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Yeah, so no chance of it going rogue and killing
everyone, chainsaw massac- dude.
Look at that though.
I mean, that, I mean, if it works, it's pretty good.
You know,
Gardiner: Mm
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: go, you know, go ahead be damned, right?
But like
Gardiner: Why does it need a goat head I just don't understand that Like
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: I don't know.
If maybe they wanna make it look more like a real goat in the
future and not like a really creepy polygonal goat like it is now.
Gardiner: Hmm
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: I don't know, man
Gardiner: if you're an audio listener you're really missing out This thing
is um just freaky freaky looking
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Ugh.
It's got live cameras too where its eyes would be
Gardiner: Mmhmm
Wild
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Hmm.
I, I, I don't know.
It
Gardiner: like It…
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: One day, Garden, it'll save your life whether you like it or not
Gardiner: Yeah On that day I still won't like it
Oh man is crazy dude I I I don't have a lot to say about it um but yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: I just thought it would be funny to… Wait, what, what
are all those weapons that are… What's, what's that section for?
Gardiner: saying that there's pressurized tanks that like keep the pneumatic
like uh limbs Uh so like uh that
power so
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Wait.
Gardiner: punctured then it locks it in place
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Oh, so you could… So in case one invades
your house, you could like
Gardiner: Oh man
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Mm, yes.
Gardiner: wild
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: But like if a gun can puncture that, how would it
survive like a falling building?
Gardiner: Yeah I don't know
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: I don't know.
I don't know.
Well, I j- figured I'd add it to this because it was kinda funny
Gardiner: Yeah No uh a good addition that's gonna be in
the in the thumbnail for sure
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: Oh, Lord
Gardiner: Uh dude that's uh I think that's a I think that's
all the stories we have right
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: I think so, yeah.
And they have- and there aren't any surprise announcements like
the Steam Frame being 1,050, 1,500.
Ugh, knowing our luck, that's exactly what's gonna happen.
Gardiner: Yeah
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: And we'll talk about it next week too
Gardiner: Absolutely Uh thank you everyone for tuning into the show Uh if you haven't
seen it already we have a full 30minute bonus episode I think it might have been
35 minutes over on Patreon It's exclusive for our patrons Thank you so much to them
by the way for uh supporting this show for the work we do Uh it's it's really
rewarding Um thank you HiTech for being here It's it's always nice to to chat
with you I appreciate it And uh with that said think that's it That's the show
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: All right, you guys take care now.
Gardiner: Yes
Hi-Tech Lo-Life: See ya.