Welcome back to off the
console with me today is
high-tech lowlife gardener and our
special guest today Noah and
This is a podcast where we
talk about everything new
exciting tech games
I don't remember the intro that we
usually do so I'm just
going off on this and
also a
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Milestone happened
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We're gonna be bringing you lots of good
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Yeah, let's go through and introduce I
guess a little bit. Um, we'll
start off with our guest Noah
Well, my name is Noah I started and run
steam deck HQ which is a
Press outlet that specifies in steam deck
where we you know cover the news create
guides and review games
On the steam deck and how they perform on
there with optimized settings so you can
play the way you want to so
We'll sometimes provide settings if you
want the best graphics settings if you
want the highest frame rate
and a balance of all of them
If you so choose and that's what I don't
they go to source for steam deck
Stuff. Well, thank you
If you look up steam deck anything almost
always it's gonna be
in the top Google search
Top I'm so glad Google's being nice to us
You deserve it man you
even kick an ass. Yeah. Yeah
Then it's been it's been a long journey
has been two years to longer than two
years, which isn't that
long but it feels long
It does feel very long that we could I
could do a whole rant on that
Right. Okay. So, um, you know just
whoever's first which is high-tech. What
are you playing this week?
Shit, this is a hard one. I've been
trying to explore my steam
library to see if there's any like
Hidden gems that maybe I've just been
overlooking this entire time
We know how we you know how it is man,
you know steam library
You have hundreds of games that you've
probably never touched in your library
It's really really think about it. It's a
huge waste of money, but that's how valve
makes a ton of money
Yep, I mean I open mine
But I don't play them oftentimes I touch
them but not much. Hey, that's still
something that's more than true
That's more than I do with
about 4,000 of my games so
Well, you got me be
Yeah, I only know I only know one other
content creator that's beaten you and
it's the box at 10,000 games. Oh
I
He's the only person I've met that
actually has more games
than I do on Steam and
Everyone else is a bit below which you
know, I was always proud of but now I
don't feel that pride anymore. I
You know, I thought I
had a lot of games with
933 in my library. So
Well, I would say I
would say that's still a lot
I just went overkill like I would I
before doing all this I was a collector
So I would just buy games to just put
them in my library and be
like, oh, well I can play them now
That since I have them but
yeah, I would never play them
Wow, I get that
I've only met one other person that has
More than you Noah and it
now I know two people that has
More more than like 6,000. That's crazy
I think I have around I'll
get there. I'll get there one
If it's steam I have around a thousand
and if it's everything
together probably like
Oh if we're combining others then I
definitely have more than like 4,500, but
I would just I really only look at Steve
Yeah, I think I have about a little over
700 so I had the smallest library here
You're also the youngest
so that makes sense yeah
That's true, I think
You start reviewing games you can start
getting game review copies and stuff.
That's how you build I
can attest to that. Yeah
I can attest to that. Yeah. Yeah, I think
I had like 500 games
before I started doing YouTube
So, yeah, I need to get my games up so
enough about me that what
have you been doing gardener? Oh
Man, I've been playing half-life 2
Anniversary. Oh my god, it's so good
I've been listening to the developer
commentary. That's really
what I've been doing and and
It is just it's as a game developer
It is something that like I relish
because you know you don't get a lot of
insight into the development process
like
There's a lot of minutia
and there's a lot of like
insider
information that you just don't get in
other places and then it's one of the
things that I really
appreciate about the way valve has
Done their games is that they like to
share that stuff even though they're like
a notoriously closed
company, you know
they like to give that kind of insight
and so the fact that
You know half-life episode one and two
had the developer commentary, but the
original half-life 2
didn't have it. It's like
Now that that's out. I'm all here for it.
I'm off. I'm all for it. Oh
man, I
It's so interesting how valve treats. I
don't know if any other company treats
And I see it as you know, we talked about
preservation of games and stuff like that
Legacies and doing that type of
commentary is
Priceless. Yeah to go back and listen to
see how things were built
especially, you know as we build some of
our own games here and
I haven't got to it yet because I know
it's gonna be a time suck.
I'm gonna sit there and just
All day
So gardener. I'm I'm about to dive into
the hole. I haven't
watched the documentary yet
I'm about to dive into it this weekend.
So do I just watch the documentary this
week. It's so good. It's oh
My god, it's like Hollywood level like I
don't want to it's like
Especially towards the end where they're
talking about the lawsuit like you know
the plot twist, right?
You know what happens
how valve manages to?
be the Vandy
It's crazy
Have you watched the documentary Noah?
No, I really haven't watched anything
I've been so free octopus. Yeah
Yeah, I made a video about like the 20th
anniversary and I talked about the
the documentary at length and
Danny O'Dwyer commented on my video like
Dude, I was like, whoa. Holy crap. Danny.
I can watch this my stuff
But yeah, no, that was it was super cool.
Like the the documentary high-tech like
you said is it's really cool to
To see like that there's that level of
like professional production in the games
industry, you know, like
high-tech or secret tape and
No clip. They're just they're doing God's
work as far as I'm concerned
No clip is definitely let me go watch
more of their
documentaries. They're really good
They have one I think for black Mesa.
Yeah, and that I watched
that was really good, too
Black or half-life because I remember the
half-life one the first
maybe it was half-life
They did a 20th
anniversary half-life and then valve
Commissioned a 25th anniversary half-life
Yes
So yeah, they've done extensive half-life
coverage, but no clips
done other stuff, too. So yeah
And that's what I'm
talking about. They have other
documentaries, so
as far as what I'm playing is that I'm
going to be playing half-life this
weekend and I haven't
played a whole lot and
But I have been looking into stalker 2 a
lot because that's
the game. I want to play
soon and
I don't know if you guys have seen it
does not play on Steam
Deck Noah. I'm assuming
Yeah
Tried I tried many
things none of them worked
Man you've got it. I'm gonna have to pick
your brain sometime on all that. So I've
I've written some utilities for
the steam deck over the years, but
on like some tips and tricks and stuff
like that I can script out but um
Yeah, stalker 2 is one that is buggy.
It's a true stalker. If you don't know
what stalker is like the original one
It came out buggy, but was like raw and
Survival esque
Like it is one of the most survival
Oriented games out there in the is so
hardcore at times where you're dying all
the time and I never
beat it because I ran into
A bug and I went to I got too far
To where I want them go through it again.
So I'm really hesitant to
pick up stalker 2, but I
Do it so it's gonna be worth it
Especially if you enjoy the original
stalker if it really does
feel like a stalker game
Which is probably the best that they
could possibly do especially with how
How difficult their
development process was
So I would say this is probably the best
that they could have done and I think
honestly they succeeded like yeah
It's buggy even I found like tons of
different little bugs
I think
Someone found one I did a little video
about how it's running on the steam deck
and someone found a bug
where it was taking a long time for the
World to load in and right as soon as all
of it loaded in there were trees flying
around in the background
They just popped out and I didn't notice
it before so I saw their comment
I went back and I just saw a tree pop
out. I'm like, oh my
god, I didn't even see that
so yeah it but it that's part of the
charm in a way like I
Wouldn't say it becomes too overwhelming
where you can't enjoy the game and
I think that's the biggest
The biggest thing about it. So I I would
say it's still worth playing for sure
It's definitely what I'm gonna pick up
when it a little less
bugs. I'm not shy of bugs
I think they can be fun, but my first
experience was stalker
I didn't get to finish it because I got
so far and I did not want to replay it,
but it was so fun. So
Well, I think as far as I'm aware the day
one patch that released
did fix a good chunk of them
By like trying trying to review the game
with all those before those bugs were
patched. That was that was hard. Okay
It was really hard
Do you finish all your games that you
review or is this yeah, so okay
it's it's something that I
Do feel very strongly about if I'm going
to review a game the least I can do is to
play from start to finish
I don't unless it's a game where I can
more easily hundred percent. I don't
100% it I just I have to experience the
start of the game in the end of the game
So I just don't feel like personally when
it comes to reviewing. I don't feel like
anyone can give a solid
Review for a game unless they've really
played through it. Yeah
So
On the performance side
of it too like in you know
what if there's one part of a game that
really performed poorly and
It goes on for the rest of the game like
maybe the last 20% like
Baldur's Gate 3, you know
What if I only played act 1 & 2 I might
say that it's pretty
good on the steam deck
But as soon as you hit act 3
No, so I feel strongly about playing
through the games that I review you
No, that's good. That's good. It's that's
Impossible for me. I
can't I can't do that much
It's so honest that I before before
reviewing before SC HQ. I almost never
finished games. This is
This is what kind of pushed me to
actually start playing through the games
that I have and then I
just started getting more
And more and now I don't
play my backlog anymore
Mmm
Need to start doing a
backlog review session
If I if I had the time we're you know,
we're working on expanding like I'm I'm
bringing on more
freelancers to work with us. So
One day
We're gonna get one day. Yeah, no, that's
It's impressive still nonetheless. I
usually do if I do anything like that
It's usually overviews or something.
That's like I played the first few hours
And then I read up on like the ending and
to give recommendations on like
stuff like that, but I
Mad respect. What are you
playing these days Noah?
so
The ones I'm playing currently are still
under embargo, but like recently I did
play this new roguelike
called dungeon clawler and
I love it
so it takes you know takes wrote there's
been a bunch of roguelikes that kind of
take these mundane or
different activities that you wouldn't
think about and turn them into a game
like kind of like what
Bellatro did with where then they
Took poker and turned into a roguelike.
So dungeon clawler takes those like
arcade claw machines
and turns into a roguelike
The really like rigged ones where you
like don't win. Yeah, so you have to like
So it's all it's all in a 2d plane
So you have to move your claw from left
to right and then you choose the spot
where you want to you know
Grab down so it goes down tries to get
everything all the objects in the machine
are all physics based
So they can like, you know
not they can just fly away
sometimes it's really obnoxious but
As you're playing through you'll get new
objects and you can upgrade objects and
they all go into the machine
So the machine can have like 30 to 40
different objects and you choose which
ones you want to get
you want to get ones that?
Actually attack the enemy that give you
more defense that modify the other items
you have give you
buffs that kind of thing
Made by it's made by stray fawn studio
and I'm really sorry if I've butchered
their name, but it's the ones who
Who created the wandering village?
Hmm, and I really hope I'm getting that
name right too. So no, I loved it
And I had that I would
highly recommend checking it out
Just released into early access but
that's I would that's the big one that I
was playing the last week
And I loved it
Wow
You I want to give it
so I want to give a shot
Yeah, there's so many games real good
So many games I want to give a shot. So
yeah, you dive into games a lot more. Do
you dive into a lot of hardware or
Modifications like that. I would say I
would say games more often than hardware
but I do tend to dive into
hardware on top of that like I
Want to say last year I was doing
hardware reviews as
well for other handhelds
So like I worked with I
need one X and you know
I reviewed and I have a solid amount of
their hardware just in my
cabinet over there still
And I have reached out to work with them
on future hardware as well
But I think this year I decided to start
focusing more on games and kind of build
that out a little bit more first
since I
Think we can offer or sthq can offer a
unique perspective
when it comes to hardware
Because we focus so much on games. We can
test the newest games
on this hardware, too
You know and it's great to know like what
like some of the classics are like
cyberpunk or blacksmith
wukong are running on these but there's
also a lot of people that want to know
like how is Indiana
Jones gonna run on them and
You know with us focusing on games
We're in the unique position where we can
you know, we can tell we can say how it's
going to run on like day one
so
I've been building out
the games for the most part
But you know, we still do some hardware
stuff here and there and I'm going to
ramp that up a little bit more
I'm probably probably going to be next
year versus the rest of this year, but
something that I'm open to
and I have done in the past
Okay
Yeah, it's just it's really hard to like
Balance all those things. So it is it
that's part of the reason why I
Focused on games more
because it was hard to balance
Especially with the influx of games
coming in and it hasn't really slowed
down like our our October was a nightmare
It was just trying to balance
metaphor
Sword Art Online East X unknown 9
We got so many other games on top of that
It was just way too much happening all at
once and it's been like that
almost every month this year. So
I've decided to just kind of laser focus
instead of trying to do too much
Yeah, I can't believe you there. Yeah,
it's I mean to be honest I
Couldn't imagine doing six. I in year
views and like this in the span of like
three months. That's crazy
It's it's a lot like I
you know, it's
Well, I think I think it becomes easier
once you have a process
Like if you know exactly what you're
going to test depending on
the type of hardware it is
Like is it, you know a Windows PC or is
it a Windows handheld?
Is it an Android handheld? Is it going to
be Linux based? Like I think
It becomes easier when you know exactly
what you're going to be getting
So that you know exactly how you're going
to test it. I would say
there's different tests for each
Each type of hardware or each type of
handheld in this case
Because like when I did a Android
handhelds, I didn't even
think to try to like, you know
Playing the games that I would play on
like the steam deck, you know
I've I went more into emulation and I you
know pushed to see what emulators or what
types of or which consoles from
Emulators perform the
best how they ran how it felt
Playing Android games on
there that kind of thing
so I think once you have like I'm sure
this is what retro retro
game core does because he's a
He's a nut like he he does so much so he
I'm sure he has like some
Method to his madness like he has he
knows exactly what he's going to do based
on the hardware that he's going to get
Yeah mad props to
retro game core who we also
You know, we're gonna advertise that we
have featured we featured him in the
previous episode of his podcast
Anyways mad props to him though, because
I don't think I could do what he does
like I know he does it as a full-time job
But even if like I were a full-time, I
don't know if I would like go through the
madness that is reviewing like seven
Ambernet can helds
They all have the same specs
Yeah, it's it I mean I'm sure he knows
since they all have the same specs
I'm sure he knows exactly
what to do for each one. But
You know, it's it's got to
be a little bit monotonous
Absolutely, man
So here's the thing
No, you play a lot of games so I think
your insight into our main topic for
today is gonna be pretty interesting
You know, so the
nominees for a game of the year
for
2024 came out earlier this week and
I was shocked by
Some of the choices here now we talked
about it last week how they opened up
DLCs and some other stuff to being
able to be
Awards, right? I think part of the game
of game of the year award that is
So I'm really like you've probably played
all of these or at least played
Most of them and at least in the game of
the year, maybe all of
these in every category
But I am really interested to see your
intake on there your
your your take on this
Yeah, so when it for game of the year, I
think they are all solid options
And if if I think the only one that
really sticks out to me that I don't
think or I think is the most can
Like the one that maybe shouldn't be
there would probably be Erdtree and
It I guess it just
depends how you classify
What a full video game is?
Because shadow the Erdtree is a DLC. You
can't access it immediately
you know, it's something where you need
the base game to play it and
Elden ring already was you know had a
release in the past so it being back in
DLC form where it's it's a
fantastic DLC. Don't get me wrong
like it's I would consider an essential
if you have Elden ring, but
Should it be nominated as its own game as
part of the game of the year?
I feel like there were there could have
been you know better options to put there
But of the ones that we do have
Personally, I think Bellattro should win
like
all those games are
listed there are amazing, but
based on just the sheer amount of I
guess attention that it's that has had
since its release and
Consistently the attention to it. I think
Bellattro takes the cake for me
Interesting. So just to help clarify for
some people that are listening and maybe
I didn't see the list
game of the year nominees are
Astrobot Bellattro black myth Wukong
Elden Elden ring shadow of the Urg tree
final fantasy 7 rebirth
metaphor and I can't even
Refend Tazio and
and
Just to like comment
real quick on that know it
If they packaged Urg tree as let's say
Elden ring Urg tree not a DLC
Would that change your mind on the Bella
outro kind of thing? I?
Don't think it would change my mind on
Bellattro purely
because again Bellattro's
Impact has been monumental ever since its
release. I don't think we
can I can get around that
I think the only game that really has a
chance to unseat it would probably be
black myth Wukong and
You know Wukong is a great game
But personally I didn't feel like it did
anything different
that I haven't seen before
Like I've seen more
faster paced souls like games
and you know black myth Wukong might not
be considered a souls like
game, but I consider it one and
You know they're great and black myth is
a really great game, and it absolutely
deserves to be on that list
No 100% deserves to be there
but it didn't
wow me
with uniqueness
Like Bellattro did and even like Astrobot
Astrobot wowed me a bit more too
And it's you know it's a 3d platformer
But it was the it's the only game outside
of like the Super Mario series that has
given me that holy crap
kind of feeling when playing it
in like 3d platformers, but I
Don't I don't know if I could I don't
think anything will change my mind that
Bellattro should win
game of the year just based
On the sheer impact that it's had I mean
it's been at the top of
the charts and talked about
Everywhere ever since it was released and
even when it released on like mobile
platforms on like phones
It's at the top of the charts there, too
Like I don't think I can ignore
that kind of impact
and
That I think that's why it will always
take the cake for me
at least for this year
For urge tree, I think if
it was packaged like that
It would still I would I would say that
Yeah, it could be on that list if it was
more standalone than yes
I would say I only asked
that because experiences
it's really hard cuz putting DLC on this
is kind of just a little ridiculous, but
at the same time if
it's that amazing like
Which are three their DLCs? I think are
better than the base game in my opinion
If they put that on game of the year, I'd
probably vote for it. I'm just cuz I
Best experience I've had gaming that year
Now
We got your vote on this
Gardener what's your vote and then we can
let's let's see what
high-tech has to say. I'm curious
So besides Bellattro the only game that I
had heard of before this list came out
was black myth Wukong
Does that make me old?
Maybe
You didn't know about metaphor or I
forgot that final, okay, dude
Metaphor refant as you know
The first time I heard about that was I
was watching one of riches videos and he
was talking about that and I was like
What the hell is metaphor refant as you
know, what does that even mean?
so like I legitimately like I
Bellattro is the only game on that list
that I've played and I love it. So
That's gonna be my get
my my vote right there
so
just up I
Have not played any of the games on this
game of the year list this
year. I've played only like
Apparently substandard games. No, I've
only played um off the
cuff games that are like
Not or catching up on my backlog.
Whatever it is. Like I did a lot of
catching up on my backlog with steam deck
But I had not played any of these yet.
They're all games. I want to get to but I
have not played him yet
so that's funny that you
Have only played one so at
least you got one up on me
I mean if you get the chance, do you do
you like the persona series or have you
played the persona series? I
Don't think I've ever
heard of that either
Really personas pretty good is persona
five. I'm still trying
to get through that too
That's why I haven't got to metaphor
because I'm like I'm halfway through
persona five on the steam deck
No, Matt metaphor is a great
I would say it's a step above
Persona five in terms of mechanics for
sure. The story is still
very solid, but I really like
Some of the new mechanics that they
introduced with metaphor with the
archetype system and I do like that
You can attack some of the weaker enemies
really easily outside of combat and just
kill them and you get experience
You know nice little way to grind without
having to go into
turn-based battles the entire time
That sounds a little bit like earthbound
Like once you get to a certain level in
earthbound, you don't have
to fight low-level enemies
You just said essentially yeah
And I think the first time that I started
seeing this like on like a more recent
scale was probably a
trails through daybreak
They they had
something very similar to that
But yeah, no metaphor is an incredible
really incredible game
And I it would be it would probably be my
personal game of the year if Bellatra
wasn't on there because like I
Feel like they really
hit it out of the park
I was gonna say it's not it
I haven't even played it yet, but
metaphors the one that I would almost
vote for even though Astro bot
The demo that I played on ps5 was great
I haven't played that this though, but
the demo that they had was
amazing and my kids love it
Like so it's like a win for me because
everyone enjoys it but
Hi tech, what are you enjoying?
Well out of this list, I guess
Well, you know if Elden Ring shadow of
the earth tree was its own game
I might I would probably vote for that
but you know, I'm not gonna vote for a
DLC based on principle
Regardless of how good the DLC is. I'm
the DLC is really good, but still
I think my vote is gonna go for Bellatro
because it's the only game on this list
that hat that's done that
has done something different
And it's carried almost entirely through
the strength of the gameplay alone
There's no characters
no voice acting no story
no
It doesn't have like super detailed
graphics in terms of like super high
fidelity graphics either and
I'm like Astro bot. It doesn't rely on
cameos from
PlayStation's history like, you know, I
Don't think that's a knock. That's that's
not fair to knock that
To be honest, that's probably
one of the highlights for me
I love seeing some of those characters
return and makes me
actually more upset that
PlayStation or Sony doesn't go back to
those series and like I would give
anything for a new ape
escape game. Come on, please
I'm not saying as a knock against Sony or
Astro, but what I'm saying is that
Bellatro make making it
this far without relying on
Everything else that makes
a game besides I don't know
Graphics like, you know cards
The gameplay the strength of the gameplay
alone carrying it is something you don't
really see from game of the year from
like a game of the year
category
Because usually, you know game of the
year categories, you know
The candidates are generally speaking
Games that have either, you know, really
good graphics or like a
really compelling story
Or you know in the case of from software
is a Souls like I guess
I'm not sure I'm not sure
Dark Souls does a lot of creative games
I tend to be like this and creative games
can be from a bunch of
different elements, right?
and Bellatro would be an interesting one
because it's card based and it's
so if this wins it
will be probably the the I
Don't want to set that weirdest game of
the year because it's so different
Then all the other game
of year winners in the past
I think the one you're
looking for is controversial. I
Don't even know if I'd
say it's controversial
Just you know, I just say unique a weird
is just a fun way to put up a unique
I think I agree with
that. I think it would be
Probably the most unique
game that's one game of the year
like I feel like all game of the years do
follow a similar trend and
Like and personally as
much as I want Bellatro to win
I do I have an inkling that
black myth will probably win
You know because it did it did hit really
hard when it did come out and it was a
massive success and it's
very heavily influenced by a very
interesting mythology and I think I
Think it fits the
category of game of the year more
but I
Still personally
believe Bellatros impact was
Significant not just in terms of the game
itself. Like you said, they didn't rely
on anything really other than a very
Addicting gameplay loop which succeeds
phenomenally
But this would be this is an indie game
as well. This is a solo developer
So on top of on top of it not having
those elements. It's also an
independently developed
Game made by one person and I don't think
any game that's been game
of the year has had had has
You know been developed like that. So I
think it would be massive
for the indie scene as well
I think it would be a great way of
showing like, you know
Indies are just as good if not better
than a lot of bigger productions
Yeah, I mean that's most that that's
pretty much only this stuff that I play
is indie games like and
then you know half-life
Like valve games, you know
Yeah, so the size of their teams like
indie, right? Yeah, they're pretty small
They're less than 300 people at valve
which and that's that's including like
this support staff and
that's like everyone not
Yeah people that like they have multiple
projects going on all the time and like
the way that they do stuff is fascinating
But another topic another time
So I will say one more thing too
I will say I've noticed a lot of trends
surrounding blotchos
You know the biggest trend on the
internet is like people
saying what the hell is blotchow?
How did a card game get over?
I don't know persona 3 or stellar blade
or whatever and then later
they someone buys them the game
They play and they're like, oh my bad
I didn't know how good it was and then
they completely changed their mind and
it's crazy also another thing
This isn't a topic that's listed
But blotchows mobile release managed to
knock minecraft off of the top chart
topic page games chart, yeah
Again, that's the in balatros impact
across the board ever since its release
has been astronomical
I I don't think any game has come close
to it this year. Hmm
Yeah, I'd love to see more indie games
get this kind of recognition because
there's so many great innovative titles
And they never get the kind of
recognition that they deserve
I feel like
Haven't they usually in the game the year
like have one indie game seems like in
the past or maybe I'm
just thinking of double
A I mean, it's more double a stuff that I
as far as I can recall
like some indie games
Yeah
Yeah, I mean something the worst part
about it is I feel like I
Feel like Indies are really the only
games that can and do take a lot of risks
and try to do something
Different and I think Bellatros a great
example of that. I don't know any double
a or triple a studio that would think hey
Let's make a poker roguelite game
I don't think anyone anyone would really
attempt doing that other than you know an
independent studio or
a solo developer and
I think that yeah that
kind of motive it goes across
You know through all kinds of indie
games. I mean the game I just talked
about dungeon clawler is
a claw machine roguelike
I don't think any double a or triple a
studio would try making something like
that because they don't
know how it's going to perform
Yeah, interesting, yeah, I
I
I'm curious like what will win black I
As much as black myth that I saw all the
trailers. I've seen all the stuff on
this. I've read the stuff
I haven't I just haven't played him. I
just
Black myth didn't seem very interesting
to me even though the the
mythology behind it's awesome
I love that part. It's just I always saw
the gameplay and I don't know what it is
It just didn't but then again. I haven't
beaten Elden ring either. I play Elden
ring every once in a while
we're um
The souls likes are not my my jam
Even though I do understand like Elden
ring is like a classic and I
need to go through and play it
I
Ballotro is like I like hard games, but I
have I don't know what it is
I knew that it was gonna be addictive and
I haven't touched it, but I'm going to I
promise by the time we do the last
Dangerous, it's really dangerous as soon
as soon as you play it's
gonna be very hard to put it down
like that's my I've almost fallen back
into that trap a couple of times lately
where I would play one
round and I just I just
Couldn't stop playing and I just had to
force myself to stop because
I needed to play other games
It's really hard to stay away from it
But black myth itself
is a really solid game
It's just like you said it just doesn't
it didn't feel like it did
anything. I haven't seen before
Yeah
Yeah, no, I'll have to I had to give all
these a try obviously but
Other categories like
so many other categories
Curious I was scrolling through the list
and I came on came upon
best performance and I was like
Oh, they're appreciating games that are
well optimized and then I was like, what
the hell is Humberley Gonzalez?
That's my favorite game
My favorite game Humberley Gonzalez
Do I realize it was like a category is
most optimized and yeah buggy like they
need to write like that
Well imagine what the industry would be
like if they actually appreciated that
kind of stuff, you know,
I think quality software
That means all these are doing that
I think they really need to start doing
that because there's so many releases
especially on PC so many releases where
It's just so buggy and they need this
like day one patch,
which I feel like it's such a
ridiculous
norm that we've settled into where we
just expect games that
have a day one patch and
It's just kind of
ridiculous to me. Yeah games. So
Here's the thing games have gotten
ridiculously more
complicated over the decades people
I I've had to talk about
this topic so many times
Because people are like well, they used
to make games flawlessly, you know 20 30
years ago. I'm like, yeah
Well first off they had a ship it that
way they couldn't update it
second, they were
Frastically simpler there is not the
complexities like once
you put physics in alone
That's when you saw a lot of bugs start
to go into games once you start adding
physics then things become crazy
and so I
Give a little leeway to that but some of
these day one patches you're right like
are just ridiculous and
and it really shows it's more or less I
think the publisher and the
The top, you know brass saying hey, it
has to be released at this time
Doesn't matter if it's ready or not.
We'll make it ready
and then on top of that
Steam it's not as bad. But on the
consoles they have to start printing or
If it's a disc they have to start
creating those discs early. So yeah
Yeah, going gold is not as much of a
thing anymore going day one
patches something now. Yeah
It's just the way the industry is they
would put best day one patch category in
before they put in best optimized
You know what? I'm here for it at this
point. I'm here for it. I
Actually, I would love that
So I think I'd more than more than that
the thing that really gets me when it
comes to like games and how they release
Is how much some
titles rely on upscaling?
Over more optimization going into it like
I understand that for some games are so
advanced that they really need
upscaling but I don't feel
like I've seen a game that like
That has been so advanced where the only
thing I could think of is yet
Upscaling needs to be in there because
like there are some games where they ask
for upscaling just to play a 1080p
Which I don't think yeah, I
don't think should be a thing
Is that with what hardware though?
Well, it's a new hardware when they're
with the recommended specs
They'll always put what kind of upscaling
that that they recommend
the one that comes to my mind
It might have changed from later patches
But if I remember correctly Alan wake 2
was one of those games where they
recommended upscaling for almost all of
their recommended specs
Yeah, that's a hard one cuz Alan wake 2
is so good and the way that
they do their fantastic filters
It doesn't matter to me
Upscaling is one of those weird things. I
think it's a huge win for the industry
but
It's for the mobile market. I think more
for handhelds that is
so for steam deck awesome
Do it so we can play any game. Let's
upscale. Let's optimize it for that.
Okay, I understand that
For yeah beefy games
That's bizarre
And I don't know
I
Doing Unreal engine and optimizing it can
definitely be done and if they actually
hired people to opt like they could hire
teams that are specialized in
Optimizing and optimize a lot of these
games. They don't I don't know why
but money
No, I
Yes, but technically if it was money if
they had good auditors like they would
see like no it would
be worth the money to
do that
it's
They're just crazy. We already know like
the down. I did it. I
did a poll on my channel
Early this week like what are you here
for with the game industry right now?
Like what it's you're more most
interested in people are like the
downside the downfall of
triple-a. That's what they put
There is some legitimacy to that though
I think some triple-a games are truly
amazing and I don't want to
see like all of them go down
But I think some of the bigger studios or
bigger publishers have gotten very
Comfortable being a little
bit more on the greedy side
You know and and and I think the the one
that comes to my mind the
most is probably Ubisoft
Oh God
You know with their reliance on the you
know Ubisoft connect
And then the way they started going into
epic games, and they just refused to come
back to steam and that's changed recently
I mean they just released Star Wars
outlaws on steam and they're releasing
Assassin's Creed shadows on Steam day one
So it looks like they're starting to turn
over and be like okay
Maybe we should not keep doing this, but
they were very pushy
about going into their own
Going through their own DRM and you still
do have to it's just now
you can do it through steam
And then there's like PlayStation when
they started injecting the PlayStation
overlay into their games
And you know that locks out
the the entire multiplayer
Section of go susushima like we can't
play that and even
though it's not around anymore
Concord we can't we wouldn't be able to
play that because
there's no support for Linux
So and then we have
companies like rockstar with GTA
I and they implemented battle eye into
GTA online, but refused
to enable it for Linux
So you can't play it
on Steam Deck anymore
like I
Can see why a lot of people would want
the downfall of triple-a games, but then
you still have games like
That are on the game of the year list
like metaphor refuntazio like that's a
that's a triple-a game, but it's amazing
but but their studio and their and
Is that just Atlas? Yes?
Yeah
They have a very strong
Directed or like direction like they're
they make very similar games
they're very thought-provoking and I'd be
really shocked if
they deviated a lot of I
Feel like I believe it's a Japanese
studio right? Yeah,
they're under Sega yeah
So my thing is like I I
would really like the downfall of
Publishers, I don't
want a triple-a developers
Like studios to go away because what I
would like to see is triple-a studios
Making indie style games and taking risks
and doing things and I
feel like it's the publishers
Who have like all of the financial
incentive to like give these
studios tons and tons of money?
So that they're in debt to them
essentially. It's it's it's
a totally inverted wave of
Like being creative. It doesn't make any
sense. It's predatory. It's pretty sorry
exactly. It's very predatory
It's very it what what it is is that what
happened is a lot of money
came into games which helped
drive like
We can make a living off of it
but with it came investors and when you
get investment companies and
You're gonna get predatory investment
companies come in and what they'll do is
they'll buy up companies for their IP and
stuff like that start harvesting
embrace it
Yeah, my first thought and so
Exactly you're gonna run
into that type of thing which is
It's hard because if
it that if triple-a dies
Those developers are gonna be hurting
really hard for a while
and so what needs to happen either is a
huge restructuring of triple-a like
leadership at the top
that actually cares or
Monopoly breaking up monopolies or
something like that, but I don't know if
that would ever happen
I
Monopoly breakup would happen. I think a
restructuring is a
really good idea though
Like at least for the the companies that
are pushing it too much.
I would say PlayStation
Xbox is absolutely
pushing it way too much
EA definitely does to some degree as well
Rockstar has been but there you know, I
think a restructuring for for
These companies with you know leadership
that actually cares about the games and
cares about the gamers themselves
Would be really beneficial
to the industry as a whole
So I do want to say that. Sorry. I just
want to say that uh,
yeah the games industry
That's part of the reason why I want
blotch to win because I want
the major triple-a developers
I mean publishers so to speak I just want
them to see this game
that one game of the year and
it's almost entirely gameplay focused and
it's very unlikely that
this will happen, but I
Ideally would want them to
look at this game and then just
recalibrate the entire triple-a games
industry to focus
more on video and like on
Gameplay cuz let's look at metaphor.
Refantasia. That's a triple you would
consider that a triple-a game, right?
Yeah, no, it's triple-a
But I would also probably consider to be
a lot cheaper than something like Suicide
Squad kill the Justice League, right?
Maybe maybe not a lot cheaper but
Probably because there's no license a
medical is probably cheaper to make but I
don't know how much cheaper
But I think another thing too is that
life service games
are infamously expensive
Like think about I remember many many
years ago people were trying to launch
their own like MMORPGs to strike compete
with World of Warcraft
But people but developers oftentimes they
didn't realize how expensive run an MMO
really was and I mean
not to say that live service games are as
expensive as MMS, but I
Kind of see it that way. No, but the way
the data flows they can get
about this very similar now
The difference is back when World of
Warcraft first came out. I
know people didn't like their
Monthly fees but for back then running
those types of servers. Yeah, that's
Made a lot of sense
nowadays, it's
fraction fraction of the price to run
those same servers and so
live action could be pricey I
Wouldn't run a live action unless I was
making a monthly income personally
Like I just wouldn't because you gotta
have to rely on that
Income over time to make sure like if
someone buys it once and
plays it for five years
It might not end up
being a win on that. I
Think when it comes to live service, it
can be extremely
profitable overall though
Yeah, especially if they do I think I
think the monthly thing would
be would be probably the most
Most appealing to like publishers, but I
think to really make the most money the
whole season and battle pass style is
Doing the best. Let me just add a
correction when I say
monthly I meant like buying skins
Okay, all that like
Battle pass I battle passes whatever it
is. That's what I kind
of mean by monthly income
They hide a monthly payment behind
Loot boxes and everything else is kind of
got it. I was thinking I was thinking
something like Final Fantasy 14 or no
You know World War craft found fancy 14
is probably I would consider the most one
of the most successful like MMOs
You know I or like
quote-unquote life service
that exists
But I think of all the games I've seen
that do live service. I
think fortnight has the best
Structure right now, and I think is the
most appealing overall for me
But everyone's trying to just chase it
It's not a games industry without coat
without chasing the coattails of a
successful game, right?
Yes, sure. No, if only they would they
would chase Bellatro
They might I've seen a bunch of indie
games try to make like casino like games
They think Bellatro, but like instead of
poker. It's like rule it or
some or something like that
Speaking of which I want to see I want to
see the bigger studios
chase it not not just Indies
Yeah, so it also says best game direct
and I see that best game
direction is just the same
Nominees as game of the year. What is
game direction really in this case?
Directors directing the game like right
That's probably the best way to explain
it so like game of the year
I guess looks at the overall game whereas
the best game direction is like how is
the game structured?
Like how what choices did they make to
create the game and you know how well
does it all you know work together to get
From one to the other that that's my
interpretation. I don't actually know the specific
Description behind best game direction,
but I assume it's you know closer to like
best director when it comes to
Movies. Yeah, it's piecing the whole
thing together the whole game and
everything. It's an
interesting category though
And it's interesting that they chose the
same games exactly as game of the year
Yeah, that's that's true. I don't know I
like I like Bellatro, but
going based off of my definition
I don't know if they would be there. I
Would not be there I would not like
Last of us would be a good example of
like how the direction
goes in that game and how
The story goes and everything like they
pieced it together really well, but
Yeah, like some of these
other ones. It's interesting
Maybe this game direction is something
more akin to like the best
Gameplay itself like instead of saying
best gameplay at the best gameplay
You know I could maybe see that because I
would say Bellatro has some of the best
gameplay elements that
I've seen in most games
but
It's not
Direction it's yeah, it's interesting
just just an idea. Yeah, I'm not I'm not
a hundred percent sure I
I'm really curious
Best adaptation like did
you guys watch anything?
This year that was based on any of these
no, it's probably our cane
our canes probably gonna win
Let's be honest. Yeah, our cane is a
hundred percent gonna win even though.
I've really liked Fallout
The only two I did see
was arcane and fallout
But arcane is amazing everyone should
watch it even if you don't
like League of Legends it
Season one and two is just amazing
When when did Amazon buy MGM Studios?
Mmm, that's a good
question. Let me find out
I'll do some research for us
right here live in the flesh
And I didn't know that there was a
knuckles show or is that a movie?
Paramount it's a show. It's a I think
it's a limited show. Yeah, it's like six
episodes or something like that. Wow
Okay
It was
2023 May 2023 was when Amazon bought MGM
which is crazy. I've had a part of this
They bought it from Disney
right because Disney owned MGM
They must have I mean I can see Amazon
buying and they they have Amazon money
Disney has Disney money
Amazon money. I think that money is a
little more valuable than
Disney money at this point
Maybe I don't know
Disney's kind of going up and down, but
they've still they're
still one of the most iconic
Studios in existence. I
don't think that's gonna change
well, and their holdings
is where you want to look so
Amazon
Burns their money
because they're always growing
growing the beast, but
so anyone else like see any of you like I
We already like established like Arkane's
gonna win but yeah, I
Haven't seen I haven't seen any of them.
I've heard how amazing
Arkane is and on my list and
Like a dragon Yakuza was also on my list,
but I don't know it. I've I've
heard some some info about it
I love the series. It's my fate one of my
three favorite jrpg series is the whole
like a dragon Yakuza series and
I don't know. I've heard mixed feelings
about about the show
I don't know if I'm like really is
interested in it anymore, especially
since the series is so well made
like it's
incredible
I've heard it wasn't a great adaptation,
but I also haven't seen
Like a dragon Yakuza yet, so perhaps
maybe I'll watch that
later in the meantime though
There's also best narrative and I'm
inclined to believe that metaphor is
gonna win that one. I don't know buddy
I don't know what you guys think
To me. It's it's
between the top three. It's
Rebirth infinite wealth or metaphor. I
really liked infinite wealth
I really really liked it, especially if
you follow along with the
series. There were so many
moments and callbacks and
just seeing how Kiryu is
Sent off like it's beautiful
But it's really it's going to be really
hard for infinite wealth to
topple rebirth or metaphor
so it's one of those three for me and
Honestly, I think I think
it's going to be rebirth
As much as I would rather it be metaphor.
I think rebirth is gonna take it
It'll be interesting
See it. Yeah, it will be it sound held to
is a little bit of an
interesting one there, too
Mm-hmm. It sounded two's fantastic. It's
just I don't think it holds a candle
narratively narratively
To those top three that's kind of like my
point is that it's an
it's an interesting one
What other because we I don't think we're
gonna have time to cover
every single one of these but no
What what
Gardener which one are you most
interested in? I'm curious in terms of
category. Yeah, like
there's the independent games
I'm assuming maybe you've played some of
those. Oh, yeah, dude
independent games animal well
That's my clear winner animal. Well has
like consumed so much
of my time this year
God damn animal is so
good. It's a Metroidvania
with like a very
distinct pixel art aesthetic but like
everything's like covered
in like beautiful shaders
I don't know and the gameplay
tells you
Absolutely. Nothing. You have to figure
everything out like it's 1986 dude. Like
it's freaking awesome
I love animal well so much that is my
personal game of the year. Probably I I
absolutely love animal well
Well amazing
absolutely phenomenal I
I've had the the pleasure of
at some of the events actually talking to
The developer behind it. His name is
Billy and I I worked with him doing some
Some optimization and
testing before release
It's it's so phenomenal. Like it I think
the two the best independent game and
best debut indie game are
probably my two favorite
Categories right now just because every
single game there is just
fantastic
Like and they all feel very unique in
what they do on top of that. So
You know, yeah, I've given mannerlords a
try. I haven't played a lot of it, but
it's exactly my kind of game
And it's fantastic. Oh, man, it's so good
So there is one
category I want to rant about
best fighting game
Multiverses is on there again
despite multiverses
winning like two or three years ago and
They shut the game down
for like a year and a half
Only to bring it back even slower and
there's just a lot of baffling
Decisions on like a character balancing
and whatnot because I understand it's
supposed to be like a TV 2 game
But I don't think it's
deserving of being even on the list
No, I mean didn't we talk about that last
week like multiverses had
some issue again last week. Ah
Yeah, we talked about
it in the past episode
I and I think it was WB as a whole but
yes multiverses was included too
They were like talking about how much of
a disappointment it was or whatever
In terms of revenue, I think the two the
two on the fighting game that like made
me kind of do a double take was probably
multiverses and then the
Marvel versus Capcom fighting collection
I but I was thinking about a little bit
more just Marvel versus Capcom
Does have some new elements to it that
were never in the original
games like online multiplayer
So I would say that it it deserves a spot
there more than multiverses does
But if I'm looking at who will actually
win, I think it's going to be between
Dragon Ball and Tekken
Now I think the one of those two are
going to take the cake
I think it's going to end up being Tekken
because it's a much
better technical fighter
But personally Dragon Ball is my favorite
fighting game this year
Really? I do like the
Dragon Balls off to give it a try
I'm a I'm a big Budokai Tenkaichi fan and
I've loved it ever
since ever since the release
So when they you know announced the next
entry in the series, I was already hooked
like I absolutely loved it
Yeah, and there's a
lot of other categories
I honestly don't care about like best
eSport or best eSport
athlete or best eSport team and
Usually content of the content creator of
the year doesn't matter that much but
it's gonna be an
interesting fight between
It's realistically just a fight between
K. So who I don't I
don't watch his streams and
Usada Picora a VTuber from holo life who
I also don't watch her streams either
Interesting
Interesting what I'm actually curious
about and I'd like to get your guys take
on it is the most
anticipated game category
Because I think whenever someone sees it
they I think everyone's going to
immediately go to GTA 6
But I'm curious where you guys stand on
like what your most
anticipated game next year is
I'm for for me, but I'm not gonna buy it
because I hate it. I know oh
Shit lately. I don't know
man out of this entire list
Yeah, I'm gonna I'm not sure I mean
GTA 6 is probably gonna be when I buy for
sure. I don't know they're
all games. I want to try out
Probably yeah, I think I'm curious to see
what Kojima will do with
death stranding too though
if if Kojima really is
a genius or if he's a
Runny's a genius. Yeah, he's there's no
geniuses can have flops. Come on. Yeah
No, I even with its flaws
I really like death stranding and it's
it's hard it's hard to look at Kojima's
work and and say that
he doesn't have a very
Intricate genius to him
with what he tries to do
I really like that he he really tries to
mold and while it I don't
think it's always successful
He tries to mold movies and video games
into one media and I think the way he
does it is very interesting
It's just not always successful
Creativity as
Problems right like you have you always
have duds when doing
creative work. It's just really hard
Yeah, but I think I think even even in
those flaws there is
still genius there and
It's it's hard to not look at like the
Metal Gear series and and say
yeah, no, it's just beautiful
The way he the way Kojima tell stories
can be very convoluted though
I think that's I think that's the biggest
thing for me. I I'm a huge
fan of convoluted stories
Like I love Kingdom Hearts. That's
probably one of the most convoluted
stories in video game history
because you you still don't understand
after eight games in like what something
in the first game was like but I
Think and Kojima does something very
similar where it's very convoluted.
There's a lot of information and
Sometimes not all of
it's explained, you know
Well, but I would say there's still a lot
of beauty to the stuff
that he creates. Oh, oh, yeah
I love Metal Gear. Yeah, I didn't I
didn't play Death Stranding, but I really
like watching video game. Donkeys like
repeated mockery
I think it's an
interesting experiment on what
I'm not really sure what
Kojima was trying to do
But I do think it's an interesting
experiment to be honest
I I am curious as to what Death Stranding
2 will be like as I'm not
gonna debate Kojima's genius
But one has to wonder how many but one
has to wonder what his plans
are if maybe his plans are so
genius or incomprehensible
to the mere mortal such as I I
Think I I feel like
Death Stranding was more experimental
with what he was trying to
do. He was trying to see how
The type of gameplay he wanted to do
would work in his style
So I think Death Stranding 2 is gonna be
more refinement on that
I think it's gonna be very similar, but
it's going to be much more refined and
Hopefully more enjoyable to play overall
Yeah, yes, I
Well, okay one last little thing on the
Anticipated game of next year. Do you
think GTs GTA 6 is
actually come out? I don't know I
Do I I think I think it is I think
they've hyped it up too much at this
point where if they keep delaying it
It's just going actually no, I think they
could keep delaying and it's GTA
I think rockstar can get away with
anything GTA online. I
don't think it's Prince money
I don't think it's going to be I I think
it's going to come out next year
I think it probably will it'll be their
very own half-life 3 where it's just
Endlessly and then they
stopped talking about it
Is coming out next year now. We will be
out next year now. Here's a question
That's what I was gonna say. That's what
I was saying earlier if valve had an if
valve announced half-life 3 or
HLX
Half-life X will just call it if
half-life X was announced
and was in the list with GTA 6
Who do you think would win still?
GTA 6 would win, but yeah
Just because half-life such a phenomena
at this point. I think GTA eclipses
I would say probably
eclipses every single game in
Existence just yeah
based on how popular it is
I think it's a it is the most popular
video game of all time. I disagree
You have to think about the audience
really I mean for us James.
It would be the most popular
I would make it half-life. I'd find a way
to bribe all those
judges. It's gonna be half-life
Influence I will influence it I will take
the influencer part of what a this all is
and influence it no I
You're probably right
though like a hundred percent GT
Even I've seen like with the
way valve does innovation I
Think would be really hard because I
think if half-life 3 does come out doubt
it, but if it does it would be
so amazing, but you're like like a lot of
people still won't play it because people
like the GTA style and
It just yeah, everyone's
played GTA at this point I
Think I think half-life if we're looking
at just PC games half-life might stand a
chance just against
GTA 6 on PC specifically
But on an overall basis GTA 6 is gonna
win out even even if half-life released
on consoles GTA 6 would still win out
Agree
So speaking of game awards steam deck HQ.
I mean steamed egg gaming sorry
Is running ran a poll say asking people
Asking people if they want to run their
own game awards show for
like the steam deck and
85.7% of people voted yes
So what are you guys thoughts on this?
Neat, I like it. I
Think I think it can be done
and it just needs to be very I
Think you need to be careful with it
because I think you do
have to stay on topic
You know you do I think if you're gonna
do a steam deck game award show
you do have to
Really make sure the games
that you're bringing up are
Compatible with the steam deck. That's
you know, probably one
of the biggest things
but
If you're just gonna
do like the game awards
And you're gonna take those categories
and put them into a steam deck award show
and it's just gonna be steam that games
I don't think that's really great either
Like I think they're I think it would be
really interesting to see a game award
show that kind of goes into some more
steam deck specific
awards or steam deck specific
categories and
You know, I think I think if you can do
that and there's a solid production to
it. That would be pretty good
I would say it'd be awesome to see
Yeah, so I have heard that OTK. I'm the
group that a streamer group essentially
essentially
Consulted Joff Keighley for advice on how
to run their own award show. I don't
think it's for games
I think it's for like streamers and stuff
But like yeah, if you could get Joff
Keighley's advice on how to run your own
award show it might be a success
Whoever wants to run their own award show
But you know you
hard-pressed a note. Yeah
It just depends on what you're expecting
if you're you're probably
gonna need to lie in the middle
You can't probably make it too cheap, but
you can't make it too expensive because
the steam deck community is not massive
It's big but not
massive. It's not Nintendo
It's not you know
It's growing and so as long as you keep
that in mind and do like three maybe
Three to five awards and just keep it to
a half hour or something like that and
not really do anything too flashy
But still really good production. I think
it'd be successful. I
think anything else is gonna be
oftentimes
Just a huge spend on money unless you
have really good sponsors. I
Think I think my I think it could be
successful if they do more
like if it is a little bit longer
I think the biggest thing was will the
the amount of viewers that you would get
justify the time spent on it
like I'm I think that would be my only
thing because you're you're right, it's
this is a niche category and
There is you don't have the same audience
that like general game awards do or
Nintendo would do or
You know, it's it's it's much more
There really isn't as many
People that are as
interested in this kind of thing
I do think it can it can break out if
it's done correctly though
I I do think it could expand to just
people who are curious like oh, there's a
steam deck game awards
What's that about and I think it could
get people more interested in it that
could expand past
like the the steam deck?
space I
Think how I'd want to see it maybe is
valve actually being the curators of it
and actually working with
content creators a
Lot of content creators. So that'd be a
fun one, too. It'd be fun
Let's just see it done differently. I
think then a very flashy
expensive game of the year because
Let's leave let's be honest
like e3 game of the game awards
You know the game of the year awards
whatever is a little flashy and there's
it's if you read the chat
It's so negative all the time
It is really difficult because no one's
gonna agree on it and no one can under
like and a lot of
people can't understand the
Like hey, you might love your game
But this is just a fun thing where people
are gonna say hey, this is a good one
this we like this and sometimes it's
maybe influenced with a little bit of a
money or power but that's the part that's
a little frustrating but I
Think it'd just be fun to
see a really fun community
content creator steam deck awards more
than just like maybe an individual or
One group, but that's hard
Like a community run like award that
would be that would
be the standard though
The big question now is how can you
organize such thing
because valve award shoes are?
Yeah, you'd have to have valve
Man having valve as once as a sponsor
would be one hell of a sponsor. Let's be
fair not even spots, but just like
Coordinating it it would be the best way
because then they you know, but once
again, they're not a big company
And so they'd have to
decide on something like that
or have someone that's
You usually have to have
a director or some type of
Person that's gonna be
Setting the whole thing up and yeah
so
SDG if they want to do that like that's
awesome and then include a bunch of
people that make it a lot easier
And you don't have to pay as many people
Yeah
No, I I can see I can see the entire
premise being a popular honor. It just it
really does depend on how
How it's I guess how how it comes out
like what kind of effort
that's put into it and and how
And if people are involved who are the
people involved in how is
it? How is it going to be?
portrayed
Yes
So speaking of the steam deck Oh
James you're the MC you
should introduce the next topic
Yeah, I'm the main character here
I
Really thought it was me this whole time.
I'm so sorry. No, you're
MVP but like okay or MVC main
Yeah, most valuable
Character character. Yeah,
I've always known I'm an NPC so
That would be so sad, okay, so
The
steam autumn sell is coming up and I have
a I have a big list of
stuff I want to be buying and
I'm actually
For the whole sells next week. I'm hoping
to get a video out for it because I
usually like doing a sales video
Every once in a while and so I'm curious
though what you guys are
Is there anything you're gonna be?
No, you might own everything because
you're getting it firsthand
I
Yeah, it's but there's still some games
that you might not be able to get ahead
You know getting just curious what you
guys are gonna be buying
anything I
Think a year you're right
I think a lot of the big games that I
would probably get are the ones I am
getting to review so I
When I look at games, I'm going to buy I
usually look at the smaller indie titles
where I could request it
But I'd much rather support the indie
I think the game that's at the top of my
list right now. I remember playing the
demo is this game called Nimrods and
it's it's a I have I have a thing for
roguelikes in my free time and
This is another roguelike
where you're going around
You're going around an area and you have
a gun and you're shooting and as you
level up you get new gun parts
to put on your gun, so
you're creating a gun of
like a unique gun as you're playing and
You know you keep going if you die you
can actually find that gun again and use
that custom-made gun in
Another round I'm pretty sure you can
also equip it to like a little robot that
goes around with you
And they'll be shooting that gun while
you're building a new gun. I think it's a
really interesting take
So that's that's on my list to check out
I don't really have a big list
Because I do get a lot of games
And I think I I'm playing so many of them
that I don't look at new games as much
But that one is right
now at the top of my list
It looks interesting
I'll have to check that out
Okay anyone else like gonna
be buying anything like me I
Honestly like half the stuff
we talked about on here. I am
Gearing up to probably buy
some of it for my backlog
I still have a bunch of backlog items
from last year's sell
Around this time that I still haven't
gotten to that's why I haven't played as
many games this year
It's because I'm getting
through some of my backlog
but um
Yeah, I
What
What games anyone looking for any games
I'm looking at my like wish list yeah,
and I don't really
have my I mean Pizza Tower
I haven't played that but I've heard so
much good things about it
That's a game. I want to give a give a
good spin to I always really appreciate
the Wario land games, so
Yeah, I'm gonna probably
gonna pick that up. I do like I
like getting a good deal, but I also like
Paying full price for some especially
indie games because then you get like you
give them more money because they need it
But the animal well one does look
interesting and I am tempted to
You guys have sold me on it. I might get
it during the sell, but
no animal well is amazing
I did it so yeah, or I just give ya on so
I'm gonna look I'm gonna look into
picking it up during the sale
Animal well also one more thing to you
Do you guys think the
steam deck is gonna go on sale?
Or the steam the coal in particularly
because I don't think the
olives been on sale before has it
I
I believe didn't I didn't go on sale. I
thought I went on
sale during the summer no
I think it has been on sale once
I need to look into it on sale for
autumn, but it'll probably go on sale for
winter. Yeah, that's true
Also, we got another steam catgirl
Steam sale catgirl illustration from
Nemupan the artist that
did all does all of that
It seems like Val was gearing towards
making her a new main
character a new main valve
I'm for a mouth or anything game, and
it's time to make a new game. It's time
to give her a game. Oh
My gosh, I don't have a loud throw I'm
gonna have to buy that
Wait
Game of the year games or game of the
year yeah, but I I'm pretty sure I've
downloaded it somewhere
I just don't think it's on my steam. I
have it somewhere else something else
mm-hmm your phone. That's interesting. Oh
Who knows you know what I want. I want
commandos origins
Like this is this is like a
remake. Yeah of like the classic
commandos game, and I think on our first
podcast we talked about the
The what is it the indie?
Next fest that's what it is yeah
And that was that I tried the demo and
man that took me right back to when I was
a kid playing commandos
So I'd like to get that it's not
available yet. It says
is releasing in 2024 which
You only got a couple weeks left in that
Yeah, but I'd love to get commandos
origins because that
look that's just super fun I
Yeah, I added that to my wish list no
there's a lot of good stuff
Yeah, I
Think the only other game that I'm
looking at my list the only
other game that I'll probably
Pick up during the sale is tactical
breach wizards. I still
haven't played it yet. I
Have even heard of that I
I've heard I've heard from a couple
people. It's it's fantastic
It's one of the one of one of the games
that I was planning to get
and then just again way too busy
But it's on on the list for me. Oh
Yeah
Interesting hmm makes me
think of you're a little
Honestly, I'm gonna use this as an excuse
to find me a really like
a new game cuz honestly
There's so many speaking of which have
you guys played a game
called a one-way heroics?
So basically it's a
traditional roguelike
that's a
It's a traditional roguelike, you know
top-down turn-based, but it
has a it has a mechanic where
the screen automatically scrolls
to like you're going essentially
traveling to the right constantly to
you know not be caught by a massive wall
of death basically and
That game goes on sale frequently for
about a dollar. It's cheaper than vampire
survivors and it's been out for like
almost ten years at this
point over ten years like
It's all right
Yeah, I like get so game all the time
It reminds me like Final Fantasy
old-school Final Fantasy in like
Vampire survivors, I guess that's
interesting like mashed together
Huh I
Won't be against trying that is it damn
play it's playable on the deck. Yeah,
that's control support. Um,
It's like an older it's like an older
Japanese game. So like that explains why
Why slow janky on the steam deck
sometimes? I think it works pretty well
on the deck personally
But you should give it a shot. It goes on
sale for like a dollar
Usually goes on so for like a dollar. I
mean DLC also goes in
sale to you sometimes I
Think I can spend 350 on this
But all yeah, I think I
could swing it. I think yeah
Um
Yeah, there's a lot there's so many good
games coming out or the games they've
come out this year really hard
Yeah, it's really hard to prioritize and
that's why sometimes I'll wait until the
cells to get certain
games. I'm just like I
Don't know if I'm gonna play this anytime
soon, but I want to try to think I'm
going to and so I buy him
I'm hoping Silent Hill 2 but I doubt it
cuz it came out like
a week or a month ago
But I have a small cell that's how valve
makes money. I'm gonna get there's no I
Want to get nine souls?
It's like a metroidvania. I've heard it's
so good. It's made by the guys that made
It's my red candle games. They made
detention in that one
game that got banned
You guys remember what game that was they
would got banned because of like China
I
Don't remember which game that was it's
ringing a bell, but I
don't remember the name of it
So I think it was devotion yeah that that
game got banned in China because there
was an easter egg featuring
Xi Jinping and it didn't just get banned
in China. It got banned off
of steam entirely and also
GOG was trying to bring it back but due
to quote-unquote complaints from their
gamers. They didn't bring it back. I
Don't want to get into this cuz I don't
Do this the gamers complaining about
everything so I might
believe it, but yeah
Yeah
There's always something to complain
about there's always something to
complain about but it's
usually like minorities
Like voices in the sense of there's not a
whole lot so yeah, I think it's just it's
just elevated on social media
Yeah, but in reality they're very small
Some things I'm glad companies cave to
and then there's
other times where I'm like
This is a very small amount of people
complaining about this
why worry about it, but yeah
Well, I do want to worry about more
though than this is like what a steam
controller is gonna be I?
did really curious to see what that steam
controller is gonna look like because I
Don't know I have my steam
controller over here somewhere
I like it, but I don't use it enough, and
I just use my ps5 controller
Yeah, I think I personally I really like
the steam deck gamepad if they basically
took that and made it into a controller
I would be very happy with it
I think the the Hori controller that they
release is like very close to it
so like I do like some of the dedicated
buttons that they have like I
was I was a fan of like having the
dedicated quick access menu button and
There is four buttons
on here that you can
Custom program to whatever you want kind
of like the two back buttons on each side
of the steam deck controller
Or the steam deck gamepad, so I think it
this the Hori
controller is like halfway there
I think the biggest thing for me is the
trackpads. I need those trackpads
I don't think I could I could
go without it the symmetrical
Symmetrical joysticks
I've fallen in love with it
I I hate using asymmetrical now. It just
doesn't feel as comfortable
I think the biggest
issue that valve would had trying to just
take the steam deck gamepad and turning
it into a controller is
Just how big it's going to be
Like the steam deck is designed to have
like a screen smack in the middle and
your hands on two very different sides
like I don't know how
Big a controller would be if they're
going to turn like the steam decks
gamepad into a controller
But I think honestly it would have all
the features. I would like to see if they
just turned the steam decks
You know gamepad into a controller
essentially so the Xbox Duke
massive controller
Popular people love it not everyone like
loves it because it's you know it's not
bigger hands enjoy it
I I liked it a lot. It wasn't like I had
to have it kind of thing, but
They could get away with doing a steam
controller based off of
but the steam deck is I
Could I can see it?
I think the biggest issue is just the I
think the biggest issue is the trackpads
I think just how they're going to fit the
trackpads on there and make everything
Comfortable and they did it with the with
the steam deck, but it's I
think I think it's going to be
difficult and
What is it I?
Would say like you just sent over
Hi, Doug you just sent over a proof of or
a concept. Yeah, I don't like it
I don't like that it's not that easy.
That's a community-made.
Yeah, that's not valve no
It's not pretty honestly it looks like it
might be AI generated, but yeah, it's uh
no it's a it's a mock-up
It's a it's a
community mock-up, but I just I
Don't like how it's designed. I don't
like the position of the trackpad
specifically. I think they're I
don't I
Don't know what it is about it. I don't
like it that much. I don't feel like it
would be comfortable for me. Yeah
So what we do know about it as for sadly
as Bradley is that the controller?
Essentially will fit an entire steam that
control scheme onto a
standard gamepad shape
So it's not gonna be like a square
controller like you know
what we've seen some steam
deck controller mock-ups
It is an interesting logistical nightmare
to fit this trackpads on a standard
controller because you know what the
steam controller did
They just didn't have a
right analog stick or a d-pad
and it's I mean oh
It looks like he's yeah, so basically
it's an interesting. It's an interesting
Honestly, I think they could do it. I
think it's gonna be a bigger controller,
and I'm here for it. It could be square
I don't care
they could even go with the new design of
it making it detachable so steam back to
could have it attached, but I
Mean I'm now I'm looking at this like
yeah, you can get rid
of the speakers, but
Linus tech tips might
not be able to play it
but because you know he talked about how
the steam deck just was a little too big
for his hands, but I
I
Want a little bit bigger of a controller
sometimes the smaller controllers just
cramp my hands so my my
girlfriend has very small hands
and she plays a steam deck
no problem she loves it and
You know it's funny
I like people I see in my comments all
the time and I have a
few friends at steam decks
And they're like why
do we need track pads?
We don't need track pads
but like I then I
watch them actually use the
Controller and they don't even realize
that like if they drop into desktop mode
They just naturally without even thinking
about it switch to the trackpad
It's like dude you if you're adapting a
PC for gamepad use you
really need at least one
Trackpad and having to enables so many
interesting things that I don't think
studios are taking advantage of yet
I'd really like to see
valve
Push the industry like
forward with Half-Life 3
Having specific things that can be done
with both trackpads on a steam controller
I'm here for it half-life.
I'm done. I don't see that
I think I don't I don't think they're
gonna do anything like
exclusive just to Half-Life 3
I would love to see them
really dive into steam input
I think steam input works perfectly with
the steam decks gamepad and just the way
you can utilize like virtual menus
Just using the the trackpads. I think I
think steam input is probably
one of the most revolutionary
Revolutionary advances in
gaming that I've seen recently
Like just the sheer amount that you can
do with it turning games that have no
controller support into
gamepad supported games is
is
insane and
I think I think I would like to see them
use the steam deck like
a steam controller and
really dive deep into steam input and
Like show what you can actually do with
that controller and how deep you can
really customize it because you can go
really deep into
customizing with steam input you can
With with all the menus that you can nest
and all the commands you can add like,
you know sub commands and all this stuff
So if you hit a button it actually will
It can use two different
Commands like you can have like one where
it simulates the a button and then right
afterwards. It'll simulate the D button
You know and you can set
it all to go with one one
button on the controller
I think it's I think it's
revolutionary what they've done
And I would really love to see them push
that with a steam controller to and
really intertwine it
with steam input for and if they did that
with like Half-Life 3,
I think that would just
It would really show off
What that controller is capable of?
Yeah, I think it would be cool if to kind
of take your idea and
flip it on its head Noah
if they did something that was like
You could do very well to the like with
the steam controller
That then you could then like if you're
using a mouse and keyboard
or a different controller
You could then set it
up in steam input, right?
because it's like valve has always said
and I've heard Gabe Newell say this like
many times he's like he's envious of
Nintendo because they make the hardware
and the software so they make the
software specifically for
that hardware and it's like
And and vice versa so it's like if they
have if they have the
opportunity to release a game
That is custom tailored
for a piece of hardware
Then you know, I would think that they
should jump on that right?
Like it's I feel like it's kind of a
wasted opportunity for
them to not be releasing
Half-Life 3 for the steam deck right I
was like I agree. I think
They won't make it exclusive to the steam
deck too, but I think a good lineup would
be because like with
Half-Life Alex, right?
We've talked about a gardener one of the
best games probably ever. Yeah
It's just if you've ever
played it on VR like it is
Just next level you've
never played a game like this
If they release something and and that we
already have proof of
concept like they did a portal
Game a short portal game on the steam
deck it did really well
like it was free. It was great
That's one
I usually recommend people to get into
the steam deck and get used to the
controls and how things
work even with the trackpads
but I
think a Half-Life 3 released that
supports steam deck 2 and
is
Heavily optimized to work
great with the steam deck
To's inputs and everything would be
amazing launch and it's not something
that they would that they've done stuff
like that before they launched their last
VR
Headset with Half-Life Alex, so it's not
far-fetched to say that they could do
something like that or like Half-Life
X like HLX right I could do something
that's not quite Half-Life 3
but
They definitely could
release
The two side-by-side and but instead of
VR where it's really hard to like
backfill that to make it
playable on a non VR setup
You could still play Half-Life 3 if they
said because like the inputs on the steam
deck yet you they could
It wouldn't be as fun, but I don't think
they should limit themselves
They should make it so that's playable
for mouse and keyboard and everything
else, but I think it'd be really fun
To see it be like top dog on the steam
deck 2 and like a flagship title
hmm, I
Think it would absolutely help sales for
for the steam deck 2 for
sure especially for like I think
Obviously, I think we're all I think if
they when they do a steam deck 2
I don't think there's any any question
that all of us are going to be getting it
no matter what they bundle it with
oh, yeah, but I
Think it would be a big
boost for people that are on the fence
about it right now or thinking about
possibly going to like the Ally X or
The Legion go or you know a different
windows handheld, you know, I think I
think it would give them a leg up
You know
I and I really do think a lot of the
features that the that the steam client
has that are
intertwined with the steam deck
Are not being highlighted as much as they
should like I really do think it it keeps
it a step above like with how intertwined
like steam input is you know, how even
just the game recording feature and how
easy it is to use on
the steam deck and how
You know well optimized
it is. I mean, it's just I
Wish valve pushed
Showing those off a little bit more and
how they worked on the steam deck
I think it would sell a lot of people
just based on what you
can do with the steam client
yeah, I I
Think
Windows unless they actually step up the
game, which I don't believe in
them doing like a game I had a
handheld game mode for Windows I
Just I think valve isn't a very good
market and I think they're gonna like it
the more that they
can make themselves more
Attractive we'll get
more more games that are
DRM and also
anti-cheat protected over onto Linux,
which is a big win, right like it's
Windows is about to lose the gaming
battle really like they're really close
to doing it and there I don't feel like
they're doing anything
Except for adding new AI
Icons to my Windows desktop. I'm kind of
been done with Windows for a little bit
and the reason I bringing this all up
is that
Like you said know it like it
The the Ally X and everything is great
But once when Windows on is like a big
downgrade even though
they have good software
like I think the
Armory is decent. I
Still threw on a steam
OS oriented distro on it
What's it? I can't remember what it's
called and as I as I I did bezel
Yeah, and I I like it quite a bit more
even though I can't play
all the games. I want on it
I like it more. It's
just a better experience
No, and I I think I think valve is in a
very good very good
position right now. I agree
I've made I've made this claim before
it's it's very unpopular
I think of all the DRMs that exist on
like for video games
I think valve is the only one that can
actually justify taking 30% I
think a lot of people have gone upset
with me about that but I feel like
they're really the only ones who can
justify with all the work that they're
doing both in the client and outside the
client with making Linux a
Viable operating system to play games on
yeah, like I think they are the only
company that could say
That they take that they want to take 30%
and actually justify that
30% based on all the work
They're doing I would the only change I
would say is that right now
I think they're
Reducing that percentage for like games
that reach a certain sales point and
really only triple-a
games reach that sales point
Where they'll reduce it down to like
either 20 or 25% that they take I would
rather them turn it on its head
and these are these and like
That that the Indies get like 20 to 25
percent and then maybe if
they sell more that gets to 30%
This is where I think that that's what
they should do. This is
where epic just destroys them
their pricing model and their
Friendliness to Indies like both are
friendly Indies and I don't like it that
epic doesn't get enough call out for this
I'm not saying I'm a I
like the Unreal Engine
So I'm a little bit of a if valve would
get their crap together and do source to
properly I'd use that but
They're they're very kind to
Indies both in grants and also
Just with their percentages up to like
what a million you get to keep
That's like 5% or something like that. Or
is it just a million you
get to keep I can't remember
But it's I think I think their split is
88 12 overall though
88 well if it's on their marketplace
No, it's actually low where I know I'm
talking about marketplace and with unreal
engine. They're extremely
Extremely kind yes, and so it's I would
like to see steam do that
I think they could reduce
theirs to 15% for Indies and then
Once you hit a million, maybe bump it up
to like 20. I don't I
They're ungodly amounts
of money. They set on yeah
No, I I think I think it'd be more
achievable or more likely that valve
would do a blanket like
Reducing down to 20% for everybody and
then as it gets to a
specific number it goes up to 30
I think that is more likely than doing it
specifically for Indies
getting 15% I'm saying
I'm just saying well, I'm just saying
studios that make that money on Steam
Anyone mm-hmm. I would say anyone
That makes up to a million. I'm not I
only said Indies because Indies don't
oftentimes break a million
Yeah, but I meant just more like
The just like do it how epic does it?
No, and I do agree with that. I agree
when they hit a certain benchmark
That's when it goes up a little bit more
and I and I do agree that the benchmark
should be upwards of like a million
You know maybe a million net profit
something along those lines
But I think I think of all
the drms that exist there is no
No client that is so feature-rich
Like steam is like there none none can
compare like I don't
know any any client that has
Mods baked into it or has a whole guide
section where people where a community
can continuously write guides
And then you have you know those features
like steam input, which again, I think is
extremely revolutionary
and that's all that's all free to use and
and there are those
other little features that
Developers can do like you know steam
emoticons trading cards other ways to
engage with the community that they give
and it's just all tools
That they can use if they choose to yeah
But they make money off the like even if
they were making 15%
that still be making a lot
It makes sense
20 years ago because once again
Computing and all that costs a lot, but
nowadays it's it's reduced a lot
And I think they could be a
little bit more generous um
And I agree with that entirely like I
said I do think that they could reduce it
I just don't think it's likely no and I
think that anyone pushing
For for them to reduce it should be
pushing for the entire industry to reduce
it like get into Xbox
PlayStation Nintendo get everyone to
reduce it because it's the same thing
You know but I got a I
got a jump in here because I
Like I think Noah you
called it out earlier
They they do stuff inside steam, but they
also do stuff outside of steam with their
war chest right like valve is
Investing lots of money. We don't have
actual numbers, but
they're investing lots of money
Into developing the Linux ecosystem into
developing libraries
that benefit not just
Not just valve, but the entire Linux
world and even even the Unix world. I
mean it benefits Mac OS and a bunch and
free BSD and all these other
Unix like
operating systems, and it's like
They are doing this because they see the
benefit of open source so
From my perspective. I think that it's
justified like I post buying.
I published my game on Steam
30% I'm okay with that like I don't
really I find that the debate about like
the revenue split is
Is a little misleading it's like I?
Worry that it's mostly like these big
industry players who are
Like saying oh geez it's really unfair
that the most dominant
platform takes 30% guys
And then and then they're and then you
know once valve is like okay
We'll reduce it down to 15 or whatever
then epic is gonna go yeah, okay now
We're starting to win so we're gonna
raise it to 20% like that's
just how these players work
And yeah, I'm kind of you that I don't
trust them. Yeah, that
is my concern with epic
But at least they're doing that I and
they're making it they make they could
invest in their platforms better
Let's just say I definitely think I would
like this client is a little half-baked
I would I would like to
consult with them and help them
develop their platform
out a little bit better, but
Steam
It's hard because the only
reason I do this because I I am
Brainbroken and I'm on reddit and I read
the indie reddit a lot and a lot of indie
developers tend to struggle
They're like well. I made like a
100,000 but after all the everything and
they take home like yeah, that sucks
Yeah, I think that valve could be a
little bit more generous to Indies I
definitely don't think they need to I
definitely don't think
They need to
Decrease it for triple-a. I think
triple-a waste their money
They kind of deserved it maybe even have
it increased is in my opinion and
especially with them jumping all the time
There's just no way, but you do realize
like almost guaranteed the triple-a
Publishers out there probably have
special deals with valve so once you make
a certain amount of money
You almost always have deal it's possible
But I think I think if valve pushes it
too much like increasing the percentage
I think triple-a publishers are going to
move away. I really do I mean I'm being
They tried like I think I think if they
if valve made it harder for them
I think they would just they would keep
on trying that like I
think it would just not
Justify it unfortunate. I'm being
bombastic. I'm not being
serious that they increase it I
Yeah, so I I have an interest so part of
me thinks that the reason
why they aren't increasing it
It's because of that cuz you know
companies as big as like capcom they can
They could totally like jump over to like
epic or whatever doesn't
guarantee their success
No, no, no like let's look at you like if
companies as big as Ubisoft and EA
Couldn't successfully make the jump or at
least try to make their
own platform successful
Then there's probably little chance that
any other company could easily do so
unless it's a bad strategy though
Unless you have a game
like Fortnite or Minecraft
No, I don't think it's gonna happen
That's the point Ubisoft jumped and it's
like okay. You have to have a good plan
you get to have good games
EA all those launchers they all tried to
do stuff like that and they jumped and it
honestly
is just
It's gonna it's hurt them a lot like it's
kind of funny that they're crawling their
way back, but they've
lost so much in cells
I there's a quote that I remember reading
from I'm pretty sure it
was Tim Sweeney and he said
That the 12% revenue split that they take
is not sustainable to run the epic game
story interesting. You're probably
Dude I have looked for that quote. I've
looked for that quote
and I cannot find it
I feel like he said it on Twitter, and I
think he probably deleted it because like
I can't find it anywhere
But I remember distinctly
reading that from Tim Sweeney
Interesting and it's like dude, and it's
like you know why are they
taking 12% if they can't?
Run this the store with 12% definitely
don't think Steam needs to go that low
I'm just more I wanted to be more
competitive for
Indies and that's about it
I mean it would it would be nice if I had
an additional you
know 10 15% in my pocket
But at the same time you know that the
the platforms that we use
Cost money to run. Oh
yeah bandwidth isn't free and
When you have games that are hundreds of
gigabytes that you can install and
uninstall as many times as you want
You're using tons and tons of gigabyte of
bandwidth for free and valve doesn't
charge the developer for that
And they don't charge
you for that so it's like
There that 30% is actually going towards
things that make a difference and make
you know your
experience better as a gamer
And as a developer to God I found that
quote you did yeah, I
think so check check the DMS
Okay, I will quickly
say that like my whole
Brandt about the 30% being justified is
not me saying that
they shouldn't go lower
It's just that if everyone's gonna be at
30% I think valve is the only one that
can make a case for it
Oh agreed like epic
Doesn't do a well okay their engine is
great their engine is
amazing in my opinion. Yeah
Ignoring their engine just looking at the
DRM, but yeah the
store itself is not great
It's getting better, but
they just launched a new
Store and doesn't even have like
The fab.com for so if you do if you buy
models or anything like that 3d models
and all that stuff for game development
They launched a new store, and it doesn't
even have what they
replaced it with a wish list
You can't even wish list which
It's not hard to add in
guys. It's not hard um
that I don't have a lot of faith in that
team on epic side, but
The getting back to the bandwidth thing
though. I wanted to bring this up
Baldur's Gate 3 has got
to be so expensive for
That and call of duties right the call
duties have got to be
like the most expensive thing
So maybe they need to charge more for
that for those types of games
Just to put that in perspective. We have
the audio version of this show on
I'm distributing on my server right and
we've distributed over one terabyte of
Episode downloads and we've only had like
300 downloads over there
And it's like these episodes
are like 40 megabytes apiece
But that really really adds up like very
quickly and that's 40 megabytes per
episode right it's like
You don't people don't understand the
absolutely massive scale that steam
operates at and it and
even epic and not the other
Store fronts they all do it you wonder
why PSN downloads are so slow. It's like
You wonder why it's because bandwidth is
so expensive and you pay for the premium
when you have fast servers that are
delivering content really quickly
Yeah, I wonder if they really do save
money by going to download
only like on a say PlayStation
Over shipping a disk where they just have
to ship the disk, but
they do have patches
So that there was a study that was done
back in 2015 or 2016
I don't remember who did
it, but I we can look this up
But there was a study done that says that
downloading games like digital
distribution of games is as
bad for the environment as
physical distribution if not worse and
That was in 2013 like
yeah, that can be offset though
It can but it's probably being offset
more nowadays, but I hear you on that
Yeah, it could be offset more now, but it
could also be more
expensive in other ways
Like you know if you integrate AI into
your operation suddenly things are gonna
be a lot more expensive
and worse in the environment
So it's like I don't know dude. I it's
You know there's people give lots of
reasons for all their different for all
the different things that they're
complaining about it's like
They don't understand
Things actually work
a lot of the time yeah
Yeah, no, it's
Yeah, like the cost of I couldn't imagine
like a dollar let's say
Half-life alone them
selling it for a dollar
Let's say half-life like they've got to
be losing money over a few years of
people just download it a few times
but then again
They have to have some pretty amazing
deals and servers and stuff
like that with all this so
It's it's that's a hard part in Costco
buy in bulk deals.
Well. They're there's deals
There's stuff that they
can work with the problem
Oh to me comes down to I
don't know if I'd like a
An underdog game
Store could come out
actually and actually succeed
With this type of stuff.
It's just really hard. I've
like you said Gardner like
Being able to even if I did on AWS like
the cost would be so high
try to do my own
store even taking 30% but
Yeah, I
We could beat this topic up
all day because this is fun
And we're gonna hit it a
lot but blockbuster game
I don't know how much more time we have
left but blockbuster game the bubble has
burst is a very interesting topic
I'd love to get to um yeah, I
Is definitely happening it's been
happening for a little bit. I think it's
been happening since
Blizzard is a great indicator. I think of
like how bad games have be
Been going down trending for triple-a.
What are your guys's thoughts on this? I
Completely agree. I mean if it hasn't
burst yet, it's about to write like I
mean we have all the hallmarks of like a
What's the word like a
Fat cat right it's like the
the industry is just full of
I
Ticoons that are about to like lose their
shirts, you know, yeah,
they're cash cowing this thing
But they're with cash cows
There's becomes a point where it has to
dip off and they don't have anything
after it dips off and so
It's really bizarre
The trends that they chase and everything
and there's already a tech bubble
About to pop like our tech
bubble period is about to pop
which is scary, but
The game industry on top of that even
like they have an element of tech
They also on top of
that have really really bad
Leadership going on with most triple-a's
and so there's also
gonna be like a leadership
Bubble-pop I think is
what the problem is and so
Yeah, I mean most of the leadership in
the games industry
and of the tech industry
Treat the industry as if it's a casino
and they make these massive bets about
like what's going to be
What's gonna make them the most money and
a lot of them rely on?
Live services, you know like
Concord was a huge was a huge
investment of time and money and
Then they pulled it from the market
because it did so poorly and it's like
They just it's just
huge gambles
Because when they they have gambled in
the past and it's paid
off and it's like dude
Let's be responsible for once
our lives gamble responsibly
No, no
You
Can it's called you take out $100 and
that's what you're spending
That's actually a thing
but it does sound silly with
the game and it like they
Diversify it is what they do
But the problem is that they used to
diversify and do more
creative projects a little bit more
I feel like like we had a whole era for
that lately. It's been they're chasing
Oh, look how much fornite's making look
at all these live-action or live service
They're chasing too much. They're not
diversifying. They're yeah putting all
their money down on one or two things
And they're not pulling out just
hundreds, you know
every once in a while for
Different projects they're just taking it
all out and putting it on one and that's
why you're seeing a huge
Huge problem with the games
being good. I think these days
Yeah, well, it's like the the movie
industries in a similar state, right
where it's like, yeah
They're making these huge tentpole movies
and not doing any of the any of the other
smaller films that would support
those tentpole movies and then those
tentpole movies don't perform well and
So what do they do after that? Well now
they're they're out like a billion
dollars and it's not doing well
so they're just kind of screwed and the
studio closes or whatever and
You know it used like do you remember
like EA's good old days?
I'm sure James you remember like now in
their late 2000s early
2010s when EA was actually doing
The hard work and they were doing a
decent job of it. Yeah,
they were still EA but like
they put money into
smaller projects that
Did decently, you know and those are the
kind of things that we need like dead
smears edge and dead space
It's a big one and then
they became my enemy after that
No
Cuz dead space 3 they they influenced it
too much and then they
killed the franchise. Yep
Yeah, I mean you one of my favorite
horror games at the time yeah
EA also didn't they publish?
Mass Effect. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, they it's
like they had yeah, I wasn't a
self-published from Bioware
It wasn't right. No Bioware was just up
and coming right or not. They were up and
coming obviously, but like
They had had like cotor into their dead
cuz stuff but they were still a smaller
Studio cuz like Star
Wars was it was a pretty
Open license like pretty much anyone
could get a Star Wars license if you were
in the industry, you know, true
That's much more controlled now
Yeah
But I mean that's kind of the problem too
It's like it's all centralized and like
the IP is owned by like one
of eight companies, you know
it's like or one of five companies or
whatever it is now and
so all of this is just
It's all just colluding into a burst of
the bubble isn't as far as I can tell
No, the I I feel like this was bound to
happen I think I think covid
Kind of accelerated it to some degree as
well with a lot of companies hiring a
bunch of people where outside of covid
They wouldn't have been able to afford
it. It's something that
we've been seeing in like the the
Journalist space as well been watching a
lot of big outlets have like these really
massive layoffs like I
Know GameSpot had one Dex Erto had one
the gamers group had multiple
I'm trying to think if there are any
others that come to my mind and I and and
I think it's just oh
Yeah, and then there's like Kotaku had
one and then Game
Informer shut down entirely
Like I think it's just I
think the entire industry
Tried to it went too hard during Covin
took on a lot and I think that
accelerated this and we were seeing it
Pop in real time just
with so many companies
Laying off some amazing writers. I know I
know in at least in the journalist space
I know like at least like 50 to 60
writers that I would love to work with
and they just can't can't find work
I mean because no company is able to
To hire and I think and then there's at
least for the journalist space
There are external factors as well making
it much harder like Google
Which is why like when
you said that we pop up
I was like actually kind of surprised
because Google has been very
unhelpful for a lot of sites
Especially the smaller Google's on its
downward trend there. I'm also it's
another one of my enemies in Google
Mmm, and EA if you want to give me a game
done then just just I
love you guys, but no
There I know I saved myself it's okay
I'm sure Gardner's not gonna edit these
all out and then like post them
So the entire episode is just gonna be
you simping for EA. That's
Replaying it at this point in my life.
It's what it is. Um, as long as I get
enjoy half-life later on. Uh, yeah
so
it's
It will be interesting and I think
honestly, I really want gamers to
understand how some of their
Things affect the industry too because it
really sucks to lose your job. It really
sucks to be laid off. It really oh, yeah
Really sucks hard until you've gone
through something like
that about what you do
Yeah, and it's a really hard industry
already devastating to kind
of break into and you're yeah
it's devastating it and
And it's also one that's very manipulated
because we are so passionate about it
companies understand that
they can pay less oftentimes
They can really manipulate. Yeah, and
So who's gonna hurt the most for from the
triple-a title or the
triple-a game industry bursting?
it's gonna be unfortunately the
Developers the journalists everyone who
needs to rely on us for a daily job is
gonna hurt the most and
the top dogs are just gonna
Retire with probably some type of bonus
just to get them out golden parachute.
That's what's happening
to like Blizzard, right?
Yeah, I'm out of money that EA CEO makes
is insane and I just I
can't I can't understand it
so he might not be EOC a for
EA CEO for long if we talked
about this last episode how
Disney of all companies was looking to
have him replace Bob Iger.
That's right. I remember that
Which that's that that's scary to think
about too, but maybe
Maybe this debt CEO would be better
geared towards a company like Disney
versus a video game publisher
Because they are two
different beasts. So I'm there I'm not
I'm not going to say that I dislike the
idea immediately because what if what if
some of the ideas
they has would be better
geared towards a media company like
Disney versus a video game publisher loot
boxes for kids when
they're watching Disney
I agree. I agree. I agree with your your
statement and what you're proposing
I don't know
Get away with that. No, but that's the
fun as I'm in a joke. So don't don't mind
Don't be hilarious to
see I'd love to see like
Like Mickey's Playhouse and just like
right smack in the middle a pop-up comes
up and for loot boxes for kids
Yeah, they're so close to doing stuff
like that already with I
Do like it
AR glasses
You go to Disney with AR glasses on and
you have to submit your glasses to their
network and they can
put whatever they want
On your screen. Oh, dude
Got me sold but now ads. No
yeah, I am concerned about the post game
ministry post triple-a burst because
Honestly, I don't think we've ever seen a
game ministry
Without the triple-a scene aside from
like I don't know the
dark ages after Atari burst
Yeah, it's been up. Yeah, it's flowed a
little bit, but I
think this is gonna be the
unfortunately, most likely
the biggest one and without a
Decent bailout for the underdogs. It's
gonna be I really hope people are saving
up for this one because it's gonna suck
Yeah, like red songs
will come from it though
Yeah, like I think it's easier for us to
say that like the indie developers shall
inherit the earth or I guess in this case
games industry, but
Will they though like the think like what
would happen if like EA
went away all of a sudden?
what would happen to all
the people that just buy
Playstations and Xboxes for FIFA or and
for Madden would they actually buy other
games or would they just stop playing
video games altogether?
No, they keep playing the same game.
That's already what they do already. Like
every time they get a new
FIFA game. It's the same thing
I'm brutal truth here, but no
It's basically Call of Duty just same
thing over and over. Yeah
No, I don't I think the only way to save
this without if anything bursting would
be to really change up
Especially pricing like how much it costs
to develop games. They need
to change that up immediately
Then they need to stop taking in so much
money and giving it to
themselves and instead
trickle it down a little bit more to the
people making the games and
You know, maybe making it so games don't
cost upwards of
hundreds of millions of dollars
Like I know that's harder to do nowadays
But there's got to be
ways that they could do that
Even if it's just downscaling the quality
of the game instead of trying to make
like photo realistic graphics
They do something more unique like what
Nintendo does, you know,
Nintendo doesn't rely on the biggest
Like the biggest the most realistic
graphics. I mean look
at Breath of the Wild
Yet Breath of the Wild is an incredible
game and is regarded as like one of the
best Zelda games that have ever been made
I think that if these triple-a developers
were able to do something along those
lines where they could
You know downscale a little bit to cut
costs. I think I think they could really
Really make it so that this bubble
doesn't completely burst. Yeah, I think
they put too much into marketing
I think if they were smarter with a
marketing budget and relied on content
creators a little bit more
even given that like there's a lot of
marketing that needs to change and they
tend to blow a lot on marketing and
then they also tend to
Disproportionately
Executives have just way too much in the
sense of like bonuses and all that
Something like that couldn't
get affected unless there was
Regulation just people don't do that type
of thing unless there's regular regulated
to do it regulation or you know
Community action community action is such
a hard one because I don't feel like
they've listened to us yet
And even if the bubble bursts, they'll
just walk away and there'll be a new
Triple-a's that come up and then they'll
make the same mistakes. I feel like I
Said community. I meant like Union
action. Oh unions
unions are becoming a thing
And they really like if there's one
industry that needs it now, it's gaming.
Yeah, hundred percent
And and and hopefully the trend will
continue and there will be more
unions popping up to support the
developers the different developers in
the industry because they a hundred
percent they needed they're
being taken advantage of and
It's the same with same with journalists.
I mean, I'm really glad
that IGN has their own
Union like the writers union within IGN.
I did not know that I've
I've heard like good and bad things I've
heard for the most part good
But I think in the beginning there was
some pushback even
though IGN agreed to the union
There was some pushback about it and I
believe they fired people
Which circumvented the union which people
were did they get fined like that?
Union busting is a thing but there's not
a hundred percent sure this was this
early on I think it was last year
This was early on when the union first
created. I haven't heard anything else
negative about it yet.
So I think I think it's
solid now
but
You know
I do think unions would really be helpful
and in the industry to protect the actual
developers making the game
So they're not making scraps and same
with writers. So they're not making
scraps. Well, it's also hard
think about it this way, too
It's really hard to be creative. You
don't know if you're gonna
have a job after that project
You're working on a project you're
working on it stress alone can really be
a deterrent or it could help
sometimes increase creativity
but at the end of the day, um
They really I I just don't know I I I do
my own game development
for my own indie stuff
But like I could never
Work for triple-a title because I just
could not under I could
not work for a company
That's gonna probably lay me
off once the project's done
No, no, I think the vault the volatility
needs to cool down and I
think the restructuring and
Downscaling would help decrease the
volatility, you know, I really like is it
Nintendo has their issues
but I really like how they approach game
development and I think that more
triple-a companies should
approach it similarly and
it's
Yeah, I think I think that would be I
Think I think that would help a lot too
because I don't see
Nintendo going anywhere
Especially now with how successful the
switch was I know they were
in trouble after the Wii U
But you know even even in the Wii U era,
you know, their games were top-notch
Yeah, like they they
they know how to create
some of the best
Games in the industry and I think their
approach really helps with that
they treat their employees their
developers really well
and they they focus on
creativity over trying
to push boundaries and
I it just leads them
to success after success
Like I don't think breath of the wild did
anything new that I
haven't seen other games do
But they combine different gameplay
elements so well that it feels new
And it feels and the way that they
interact with each
other is very very unique
But can you play it on
Steam Deck without getting sued?
Okay, well look
Well
You don't expect so much
for him a perfect for yeah
But my point is is that
that way of developing games
I think should be more
widely adopted by other triple-a
Publishers. Yeah, I think that would lead
them to much more success
I think it would turn down the cost of
developing games and
Increase the profits because it would be
more unique where more
people will invest into it
So topics wise we have a bunch more
topics. Do we want to hit
those or do we want to skip some?
Cuz I know we can skip. Yeah a few. Yeah,
we can skip a few of them
You guys want to talk about Microsoft's
Windows 365 link or well, I guess we'll
gloss over a little bit
I have it's a stupid
It's a stupid thin
client that connects to a
Windows
Instance that's in the cloud and yet on
top of paying like three hundred and
fifty dollars for the box
You also have to pay a monthly fee for
Windows 365. It's stupid. No one buy it.
I'm not gonna buy it
I don't think anyone here is gonna buy it
if you want a computer. That's that then
Probably just get a m4 Mac mini
Yeah, it's it's a dumb it's an m4 Mac
mini for three hundred and fifty dollars
though. Okay not for 350
No, that's there's no monthly
There's no monthly payment.
So like that's worth a lot
Who wants it? Yeah monthly payment
Yeah
But how much is the monthly payment like
how much would you be paying for like an
m4 Mac mini that would
just that would add up?
To like was it
Windows 365 first how long?
Because it depends what
you're doing with it, too
But there's no way that I think clients
gonna be better than a Mac mini. It's
999 a year. I mean it's 90.
It's 99 99 year. Sorry forgot
So a hundred dollars hundred dollars for
a year 349 for the unit
Yeah, so probably like
three years before the year yeah
before it hit the I
Don't like the idea of being I don't like
hostage stuff with my hardware. I have a
printer over there that I am being
HP's just essentially breaking my
Frickin kneecaps on even though it's not
expensive. It's annoying because I'm like
I'll forget about the
subscription want to print something
I'm like, oh crap. I switched credit
cards or something like that like
Yeah, I hate it there's also assuming
that's assuming that you can
even use what my windows 365
At all times and in all places. Yeah,
like no, hey, it could happen a time and
place but it's definitely I don't know
It's for business. It has to be for
business and that's see there's also Sony
Wanted to acquire katakawa corporation
who most gamers know them as the parent
company that owns like
Majority of from software, but they're
also known for their light
novels visual novels manga anime
Basically all that stuff and there's a
lot of concerns that you know a Sony
would own from software and force from
software to publish games
Exclusively for
PlayStation that would suck
I
Mean
Really my main concern with with
Kata kawa like I like yeah, they would
own from soft and they make some of the
biggest games now like with you know
The whole souls like genre, but there are
so many people that don't care about the
souls like genre and I'm
not one that cares about it
I'm not really concerned
with them owning from software
Especially with Xbox basically buying up
some of the biggest
companies on top of that
I feel like if they just bought from
software, it would be fair
game with what Xbox is doing
I would say the monopolization of the
anime industry is much bigger. I
Agree that that's something I would like
to avoid if you want to talk about the
fastest way to burst
the bubble is monopolies
Yeah, it would not it would not be good.
So there's been a plot twist recently
suggesting that kara kawa
Actually approached Sony because they
wanted to block a
hostile takeover from Kakao
Corporation a Korean
Mega conglomerate that does a lot of
things but they're also mostly known for
like their webtoons which are like
Korean verticals comic strips and also
kpop of course
See I would actually rather rather Kakao
take it over just based on my limited
knowledge of all of this
I would I think I would feel better about
Kakao taking it over Sony
like yeah, Sony Sony would
Sony is more integrated into that
industry, but I think that's actually
More scary because it would
be more of a monopolization
Since Sony's already in the industry
whereas Kakao it doesn't
sound like they would be
Monopolizing on really any of it
Like it doesn't from from what what you
said. It doesn't sound like they do much
with video games or with anime. So
It's it sounds like it would still be
pretty separate from like, you know a
bigger company that's
already doing it holding them
And in terms of video games
Katakawa also owns spike chun soft
They were not their best known for making
Danganronpa they've also developed the
first few Dragon Quest games alongside
enix back in the day
and also very recently
Dragon Ball sparking zero
So there's a lot so there's
a lot Sony there's a lot Sony
Games if they were to buy katakawa, of
course, yes from software
Spike Chun soft another means of
distributing anime because
I think they own crunchyroll
Which is like the biggest service and my
role is already a
monopoly now in the West. Yes
Yeah, I guess in the West but you know,
that's the only way I
can I that's the only
lens I can view it from
Bloodborne is already a Sony exclusive to
so them going to Sony makes some sense
With Sony though, they've done some bad
decisions in the past year
So I'm a little worried about Sony if it
would have been like two
years ago three years ago
Maybe a couple more years ago, like I
would would be saying
Sony but it's a hard one
See, I think I think
Unfortunately when it comes to like the
video game sections of it,
I can't really say, you know
That's Sony's not Sony shouldn't be doing
this because Xbox has
been doing it themselves
I mean they bought Bethesda and
Activision. It's really hard
It's really hard to
look at that and say okay
Well, then Sony shouldn't do this because
you know Xbox has done
it to a much bigger degree
Xbox I do exclusives as much though
Sony's a big no, that's that's the only
other thing
PlayStation would do exclusives
But you know that that was one of the
biggest concerns with with Xbox taking
over Activision that
Sony kept trying to raise
Is that some of the biggest series like
Call of Duty would
become Xbox exclusives?
and you know, I I think that would been X
I think Xbox would have done that if
You know, so if Sony didn't challenge
them, I think they would have pushed for
more like exclusives
At least in the beginning. I think
they're gonna do that. I think they're
gonna do more exclusives
but the problem is it's not very like
It's not very lucrative if the more
platforms you can be on it's typically
well, what's your drive?
What's your future thing with with
Microsoft and Xbox like I'm a I'm
thinking they want to be on more
platforms than possible
That's why they're doing. Yeah, their
whole game pass thing
We'll see how that turns out obviously,
but it's not like Xbox is doing great
right now the Xbox system itself
No, but they but they haven't been for a
while when it comes to the console race
PlayStation has been beating
them ever since the 360 era
So I don't I don't think Xbox is under
the illusion that they can bring their
Hardware or like their console scene
back. I think that's why but
that's why they're so open to
Doing you know putting their games on
every single console so that they can
recoup the cost as much as possible
I don't see Sony doing
that in any way whatsoever
Regardless because their
consoles are still doing so well
Like and and then we have like even with
like a lot of Xbox games, you know, I
don't see much invasive
Invasive parts of it like what Sony's
trying to do with like games that are
coming to PC with like
the PlayStation overlay
and it not being
Not being supported on Linux for instance
Um
Yeah
I
I but in the end I don't care that from
software or even spike
Chunsoft would go to Sony I
Think it's all fair game at this point,
especially between the two companies. I
Think the biggest thing
is the the anime industry
Yeah, and I agree with that
I think from software
would make sense to go to
Maybe if they even broke it
off and sold parts of it to both
They always be a thing that could happen
depending on who wants what
but
Yeah, I mean I'm hoping from software
just stays from software but
No, they're their own by category
nevermind so yeah, they
they are publicly traded their
Majority owned by kara kara. So they
already owns a part of from soft and I
think yeah 10 cent owns the rest of it
Kara kara owns like 80% of it
Yeah, so
Because Sony owns some of it. There's
even more drive that they'll probably end
up with it. Honestly
They'll have yeah, they'll have a lot of
say because they have
ownership with that type of thing
So
As far as other topics, I mean I'm down
for just going to the last one if you
guys are yeah me too. Yeah, so
What
Is this all about James this is your
topic I threw this in here
because it's fascinating now
It's a little deceiving a little bit. So
it's this article from tweaktown.com
Valve paves the way for a steam deck to
gaming handheld with g4 RTX graphics
Oh, wow, so are they are they gonna make
a is Nvidia actually
making a play for steam deck to?
No
No, it's not so it's really fun to read
like you read the thing. It's obviously a
little bit of gotcha
What it is though is still really good
for steam OS, right?
And I'm sure Noah you probably know a
bunch about this and so I
know a little bit here and there
A little here and there that that
So
Valve's latest proton experimental update
for steam OS and Linux adds a DLSS 3
frame generation support
so
With this and the reason why this is
brought up in the steam deck to kind of
stuff is like what's their play?
Proton is added arm support. No, yeah
Arm support emulation. Yeah, and I always
get our been something else mixed up
I thought I'd mixed up and
Now they're adding more and video
support for which is one the lack like
Linux and Nvidia just
Don't mix well anymore. They used to play
do a little better and then
It's getting better now, but it's still
quite like oil and water. Yeah. Yeah
So this is good. This is good though.
This is good progress
We want to have as much like on the Linux
community because I want to be more and
more Linux these days
Or Mac OS both, you know, whatever proton
works for Mac too. So I'm always down. I
Love seeing stuff like
this get added though
And I think the frame generation is is
important because for
mobile and for handheld
So I'm really loving to see this
direction. I'm curious what
your guys's thoughts are on on
This direction and what it could mean. I
Think the the title is a bit weasily, but
yeah, you know, it makes
sense. I hate the title
I had to add it in
Title is awful. Yeah, I'm sorry. It's
It's not your fault. No, I
don't the title from I know
The article the title of the article is
extremely misleading.
Oh, yeah, it's clickbaity
Yeah, the the thing is like we had a
story we skipped over but like I
AMD is working on arm based
Solutions right for their
CPUs with APU support, right?
So that's a thing that valve is gonna go
with with the next generation
However, I think that the big thing to
take away from this is that steam OS
three
Public release is closer than we think it
is. This is gearing up to like a public
steam OS release absolutely because
supporting like right now supporting
All the different
hardware configurations is just
Really difficult for valve. It's it's a
sisyphean task pretty much
But the fact that proton is now
supporting this stuff makes
it much simpler for them to
Move forward with a public
release of proton. I agree. I
Was I think yeah, cuz let's look at the
steam hardware survey as
of October of this year
77% of people use Nvidia GPUs whereas
only 15% of gamers use AMD hardware
And that also includes like the steam
deck obviously like it wouldn't it
wouldn't have made sense to release
an OS that
77% of our users can't use effectively
because historically speaking Nvidia has
always had issues with
you know all their Nvidia functions on
Linux desktops including
things like FS. I mean DLSS and
also game scope didn't
really work that well with
Nvidia drivers and like game scopes like
the secret sauce. It's
what makes there's a lot
it does a lot I'm not the best person to
explain what it is, but
The steam deck uses game scope
extensively. I'll just say
Yeah game scope is like
Like in Windows 7 you had like the
transparent windows right you could see
through them title bar
That's what?
Sort of the equivalent of game scope is
it's the thing that
composites all of the windows together
It controls the screen size and like the
resolution that the application gets
reported the screen is running through
it you know it's it's a very important
thing and the fact that
Most Nvidia cards on the
market that are being used
By the vast majority of gamers don't
support like Wayland
right like that's a big deal
And they may have like
really bad support for other
like function calls that
AMD supports because the drivers are open
source for AMD now we're having
Nvidia support for our Nvidia is open
sourcing a lot of their graphics stack
Which is good, and we're getting more of
this kind of like proprietary
Nvidia technology being supported which
is also good for gamers
Dude, I can I'm so old. I've been in the
Linux community for so
long that like I remember when
Nvidia
removed features
from their drivers that made their Linux
drivers better than
the Windows drivers and
They intentionally made
their Linux drivers worse
For their users then there then because
Microsoft had a fit or whatever
I don't know the reason but they just did
it because they wanted feature parity
with Windows is what they said
Like this is the kind of relationship.
We've had with Nvidia for so long
So I don't know I think it's important
that this is happening here for you know
like you said high tech 77% or so
Yep
Yeah, it's it's a I'll be honest
I think they should have released demo s3
without the Nvidia support and AMD and
kind of pulled a little bit of a hey
Nvidia also need to get
your crap together, but
And just done iterative. I don't like big
Big releases I like iterative ones
I'd like them to just release it so that
we could I could use it on other
AMD devices and then just do iterations
until they got GeForce
Or like Nvidia support, but I think
you're onto something gardener
I think this would have made it before
even better title than what they did and
it would have been
more honest is that this
Is probably a gear
Towards like a drive towards steam os3
being officially released. I
think the other the other thing to
To remember is that this is part of
proton experimental which is a
compatibility layer that is
used on any Linux hardware
Not just early software not just on the
steam deck or with steam os
so I
I don't know I
Do agree that they are gearing up towards
a public steam os release and this is a
big step forward to them
Or for that. I don't know if I would say
that this is a clear indicator
specifically for that just because
You know, this is something that anyone
who's using a Linux desktop with an
Nvidia card will now be able to use
True, but they I think if this was part
of like the steam os
like a steam os beta update
Like if they mentioned something like
that kind of like what
they did with the ROG ally
I would say I would say that's more of a
clear like oh, they're
really pushing it now
But this one could just be that they are
bringing up support for the
proton layer for Linux desktops
Though again, I do I
do agree that personally
This is this is a way of them showing
that they are gearing more towards a
public steam os release
It's just I think it's also important to
know that proton experimentals not just
used on steam os yeah, well, absolutely
Proton itself. Yeah, right like Mac OS
uses it like a lot of places and it is
based off of other
software that came before
It it is an iterative piece of software
but valve pays I think a hundred
developers contracts
to develop proton and
If you look into like cost of developers
like going back to like a way past
They've got to be putting in like at
least a million dollars at least a year
into proton at least
If they're really good developers are
probably a couple million
I would I'd be shocked if they weren't
putting a lot of money into this
But which is awesome for the
for everyone else, but I think
that
This is kind of like
a tracer kind of thing
Steam os if you're if you're right about
it needs to work with both nvidia and AMD
We're gonna see all the changes happening
for the most part in proton not in the
steam os other areas
So I think it's a good indicator that
things are to come that being said could
steam os 3 launch without dls s3
support of course it could have
Yeah, it'd be a good idea for them to do
it though. Really? Yeah, I
think it's that important. I
Think being able to support nvidia cards
as much as possible is
just as important for a public
Operating system release think think
about what this actually is right because
dls s3 as far as I know already
is supported on linux right but
dls s3 support within proton means that
games running through proton
Now can actually access the native
drivers the native dls s support
So what that means is like we've had dls
s for quite a while as
far as I understand it, but
Having proton apps be able to access that
is new at least for dls
s3. We've had it for dls 2 so
If you think about like what a product
like a final version of steam os 3 would
look like for end users
Who are going to primarily have linux
cards and are who are going to primarily
be playing windows games?
To not then have dls s3 support in those
games would feel fundamentally broken for
them really so having this
Oh, yeah, I don't know if I agree with
that. That's like fsr3
kind of thing going on. I
Don't have my cards old enough. I don't
think mine supports dls s3 and so true
I think I think for the future of games
in general with I mentioned this before
but with how reliant some
of the biggest games are on
Upscaling and there's they are starting
to be more reliant or
using frame generation
I think not having the option will block
out some of the biggest releases on
Linux and you know that would be
interesting that would be
And if you're the kind of person who is
going to be playing a game through
Steam os 3 on your custom built PC with a
Nvidia graphics card
You're going to know if your card
supports dls s3 or not. I agree. I'm not
be able to do that.
I'm just curious like I
Don't think it's a must-have for steam os
3 to release but once
again. I'm an iterative person
I would have preferred them to
release it already so I could
Not have to rely on other distros that
are not that bad side's bad, but like
I've had to rely on
previous ones before that
That were just not great to install and
everything like that so right
I might have a little bit of a lens of a
conduct creator that
wants easier access to us um I
Don't think I don't think having dls s3
frame generation support is like
imperative or like a must-have right
I think it would be a big talking point
of why not to install steam os if you're
comparing it with
like windows for instance
Yeah, if they're if they're gearing up
for I guess a full like desktop
everything support
then yeah, you're right
Yeah, if they were supposed to carry up
or they possibly could I think
dls s3 and frame generation would be
towards the top of the list
that they're trying to like
Compete against like say hey don't use
windows use us if you eat like if you've
got their goal though
It's powerful card you can use it with
steam os because like they've mentioned
that they don't care about
handhelds that don't have
The trackpads on them. They don't
necessarily want to support non trackpad
Um handhelds at least in the past, but I
don't know if they've changed their goals
and minds on that because it is valve I
Think they had
Yeah, I think I think Val would support
I think valve is looking to support any
handhelds at this point
especially with the public release
I don't think they're going to block it
out. Just just like
how we saw like steam os
implementing or including a
ROG Ally fix I
Think they could have they could have
they could have merged it and not brought
it up at all because
it was just included in
Yeah
Also, they did valve is
specifically mentioned it
Yeah, valves also in a position where
like, you know,
Microsoft said all Windows 11
PCs now have to have TPMs
valve is kind of in a similar position
where they can say hey
if you're gonna have a if
OEMs are gonna ship steam os on their
handhelds gotta have a
trackpad at least one, right?
I think that that's reasonable for them
to do I don't yeah interesting
I don't know that's something they will
do that but I'd really like going to but
I would like them to do that
I would like them to do that. I think
trackpads aren't
essential to any handheld PC
Yeah, I
Don't agree with that. Um, even though I
do it. I know I'm sorry. I am the one
No, no, okay, I'm judging you but it's
okay. No, it's you know, I feel judged
but and that's what's important
Earlier when we're talking about this I
like I don't touch my trackpads unless
I'm in desktop mode and I
only do desktop mode because I
I think I tinker with things and I build
things and I've developed
software in desktop mode. I
But then again, I
have a keyboard or mouse
Handheld what if what if you
were stuck using Windows OS?
If I stuck using Windows OS
Like with the I feel like trackpads would
be even more so they're even more
essential I would agree but I like
With my ally. I don't leave armory. I use
it for gaming and so I don't really
my point is I don't really need it but
I respect and I love
fidgeting with it more than anything
So I respect that they could add it to
more and I wouldn't mind it. It's just
Like smaller form factors that would be
able to use steam OS would
not be able to have a trackpad
I don't think very easily right? That's
true. Unless you do a
Don't think valve will like mandate it.
Yeah, I don't I don't think
they will end up doing that
Would I like it? Of course, I love the
trackpads. I just I don't think I can use
Any handheld without them like it's it's
a big it's a big reason why I don't use
my Windows handheld as much because I do
Still navigate the desktop and it's just
not enjoyable to use
it without a trackpad
But my my ally is a star field only
device right now and I haven't even
played star field in like ever
and so
for
Basically just games that can't run on
the steam deck and I
still have to review them
So interesting. It's a very like that's
what I'm playing like
Star Wars outlaws on and
Stalker like that because I might my
desktop is a is a heavy heavy hitter
But I just I prefer
handheld play when I can
So that's that's good because you're in a
good position to do that.
I'm a mouse and keyboard
Even some stuff I've reviewed on the deck
I think first-person shooters are
probably the only thing that I just
cannot play on any handheld
I need a mouse and keyboard
for it. It's just not enjoyable
At least the more like precise ones like
Counter-Strike like I need I
need mouse and keyboard for it
back for blood
When the game first came out or when the
steam deck first came out. I
only what it
Had a really big but like
steam OS had a big bug with that
to where mouse and keyboard didn't
weren't supported very well
early on and it would just
Shoot down. You'd only look down and the
fix it was just a nightmare
So I'm glad that they they did not have
mouse and keyboard a good
support in the beginning
I'm glad that they fixed
that because for games like
Back for blood. It's much better with
like mouse and keyboard, but
Yeah, anything else on this I think
we've kind of
Enjoyed this topic up.
Oh, you know quite a bit
Should we go talk
about the game awards again
I don't think well, I think every topic
on that. Yeah, I do want to announce that
We are going to be doing a
watch party of the game award. Yes
It's going to be on the day of the game
awards. I don't remember the time but
We'll sort that out internally I think
and it will throw some promos out
Yeah, it's gonna be live. So you'll see
us in the flesh with no editing
Yeah, exactly and it's gonna be I already
got the platform all set up almost so
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