Look at these like felt robots, man. They
don't even look cool
They look like like a iRobot in a sock
Every all the chores that it's showing
The robots doing in the
videos none of them are dishes
This thing is gonna get filthy and you're
gonna have to clean it all the time
It's covered in cloth. Like you
mentioned, it's gonna get filthy. You're
gonna have to have two
So you have to buy two of it. They have
to have a two pack. Oh,
yeah, so one can clean the other
What are you guys doing in here?
I
Unit one it is time for your bath
Welcome to off the console the hottest
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today. We have a special guest
Bill from the nerd nest
podcast welcome. Hey, thanks
yes, so
For those who don't know bill is a
content creator. He focuses a lot on
steam deck related content and also
general PC handheld stuff
And also runs the nerd nest podcast which
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example, the the new
ice ad destroy the flood
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Wait or anything else as you know, we
usually talk about the games
We've played this week and since special
guest bill is here. Let's ask him first.
What have you been
playing this week bill?
I've been playing a game called slots and
daggers, which is a rogue like
slot machine game kind of inspired or
like inspired by Bellatro where you
You start out and you have like these
three slots in front of you
And then you pick three symbols that go
in those slots and then like if a dagger
comes up then you do damage if
Coin comes up you get it money that you
can then spend it on other
Symbols and if a shield comes up you get
a shield and then you
play through for a while
You defeat a boss by
taking turns you spin the slots
Do your damage then they get
a turn after you defeat them
you can buy more symbols to
be used on your slot board and
It's really really
Addictive and fun and
it's it's got this one more
try
Loop to it that that all of these kind of
games have and I just I've been having an
absolute blast with it
Have any of you guys played it? I?
Checked out the demo during the next
fast, but I didn't realize the full game
was out. You're talking
about the full game, right?
Yep, the full game. I didn't realize I
was out. Thanks for
letting me know bill. Yep
And I think it's if you have ball pit
You can get it for five bucks or
something. I can't remember the exact
deal, but it's a really
it's a it's a really good game
for a very low price
Does it replace going
gambling at in Vegas I?
Don't really gamble so that's not my jam.
So I like yes, I guess
it doesn't it doesn't feel like gambling
it's more just like there's a a
theme to it that
feels like you're
Playing a slot machine, but it's it's not
like you can ever cash out and make money
you eventually get killed by the boss and
you got to start over and
Like that's where the
one more try comes in
Now it sounds similar to you know the
house always wins. Yeah, it's just you
know, you don't die in real life
You just go make it be die in
the game. We die in real life
That's the ultimate game to
come out in a couple years
Did what I didn't plan James
As I proceed to sneeze
sorry I have been playing
Bore lands for on the ps5 with my wife
It's what she wanted to do for a
birthday, so I was
like okay. We can do that
Pretty good runs pretty good actually
If a fun game definitely
much better than Borderlands 3
But so far
Feels very much like a border lands. I
haven't gotten to any of the parts are
like really funny yet, so
still holding my
Critiques for that
which class did you pick I
What class did I pick they're so I
Picked the one that's a siren
And then but I don't remember what the
class name is so those
Just miss the siren. That's just the name
of the size in every game
I don't think it's that that she has a
specific name though,
but I picked the siren
Almost picked the big dude the tank, but
the one with like the dual axis. Yeah, it
was pretty sick actually
Yeah, he does look pretty sick
Pretty good character lineup so far
But we'll see how the character
development is like they have to go
against bore lands which is just so good
It's the goats
It is it's the it's the one of the best
four-player co-op single players. I've
ever played I love it
And Gardner what have you been playing?
You know what I actually played a game
this week. I went back and revisited
Bioshock on my 360
Like he actually played
it on the 360. Yeah, dude
Yeah, yeah, I have I
have a hacked Xbox out here
And I dumped like every one of my games
and I finally finished
that process recently
And I was like now that I've done this I
need to actually play a game and the only
one that actually appealed to me
Was Bioshock
Do you have Ninja Gaiden 2 on
the 360? I don't own that. No
Damn, I have I have my I still have my
copy of Ninja Gaiden 2 somewhere nice
Yeah, I definitely want to check out
those ones because I really like those
games on the NES are
they similar haven't I mean
They're not similar in the fact that you
know once 3d and the other the old ones
are 2d but like yeah
They're still like ball bustingly hard
the Ninja Gaiden games.
Yeah, I should check those out
I haven't but no dude
Bioshock is as good as I remember it
which is wild to me because that game
came out when I was like a
young adult and I'm like, I
Don't know a lot of the games that I've
revisited since I you know
Have gotten to my 30s
I'm like, dude, I can't believe how kind
of antiquated a lot of these games feel.
Bioshock does not feel antiquated
You feel like the controls
you still like the controls
Yeah, I don't feel like I can be
Objective about the controls because they
feel natural and they
feel the way I remember
And it doesn't bother me, but I suspect
if I was coming to it for the first time
It might they might be
a little less intuitive
Like I love Bioshock and I played the
hell out of it when it
came out and like that goes
The moment in that game when I won't
spoil is like one of my
favorite moments in gaming history
Yes, but whenever I go back and play it
after having played more modern shooters
Especially on a controller. I'm like, oh
if it feels really I don't like the
layout of the controls
it. Oh, it's just as bad. I
Have the benefit of
not playing many games
Every week yeah, like we do we open every
episode with what games we've been
playing and I don't play games very often
I try I I want to
But I'm so busy that I just don't have
the chance. So going back and playing
Bioshock feels as good as it did to me
when I first played it
Well, you know bill, I'm glad you didn't
spoil that because I have a confession
This confessional time
I've never played
Bioshock one two or
infinite. Are you kidding dude?
I'm not kidding. There's a lot of crazy.
There's a lot of crazy
confessions to like for example
I've also never played
the Mass Effect games
Man, you're missing out
Some of the best from previous
generations. Yeah, I told I told Noah
from Steam Big HQ this a while ago and
His reaction was something else
But yeah, I
Concur with bill I think like the rip
that that one moment
from Bioshock is like
like in terms of storytelling in games
and I you guys both know that I
Really don't like stories in games either
But Bioshock does it so effectively that
it's like I mean it makes kind of like
the waiting around
for the story to get out
of my way
Worthwhile and I really enjoyed that
That's the thing you you
don't have to wait around
Because the story like you pick up it
through like the audio samples and then
they're playing while you're walking
From one place to the next so you're
never waiting around and
sitting in at a cutscene
Right like there's the intro cutscene and
then most like most of the rest of it
There aren't cutscenes except for like a
couple little moments
But that's the thing like
when it comes to stories in games
I'm more in like the valve camp right
where it's like I don't want the story to
get in the way of the gameplay
And that's one of the things that I
really love about Bioshock story
Yes, so in terms of what I've been
playing this week though
I've been revisiting some I've been
revisiting Halo more specifically some
Halo mods because there was so
Basically Halo exploded when the remake
was announced and one person mentioned
that someone was making a Halo
Kamba evolved remake but in Halo ODST's
engine as a mod and so I
Want to check it out, but the mod got
taken down by the author because they
were getting harassed
which is unfortunate
Yeah, hope they hope they're able to get
it back up man toes internet sucks
sometimes but it's not worth
removing everything you've made
But uh, I guess this transitions to the
very first topic that we have here
finishing this fight
destroy the flood
join ice gov
Is that not isn't that crazy that they'll
just do this that the
government can just do this
Well, they can't
technically but they can't
clearly
McCleary Microsoft hasn't said anything
as of the making of this episode right
now. They still haven't said
anything officially speaking
They probably won't yeah, they probably
won't at least Nintendo came up and said
oh we didn't authorize this
but you know Nintendo's Nintendo
but uh
But the way that attend like the way they
did the Pokemon song
and all that that was
That was pretty crazy. That was pretty
atrocious. It's just like using a child's
a children's game and theme to
Say hey, we're we're gonna catch people
Yes, like, okay
Mixing
Politicians and video
games like okay, it's okay
It's one thing if like a politician likes
video games night for sure. Whatever.
It's another thing if
you do shit like this
Or do what Hillary Clinton did like all
those years ago and say Pokemon go to the
polls. Remember that those
are entirely different levels
They are entirely
different. I think they're
But whereas the Hillary Clinton one was
just kind of cringe
this one is just it's fun
It's it's really fucked up to if you're
only thinking about it
Have you seen yeah
There's a little bit further down with
the White House and these are both
official channels that normally are very
professional in the past
And they're just
completely co-opted dude. So
Yeah, this just got that
yellow AI piss filter that that
Dude, it's insane what happened to AI art
man. It's all yellow piss filters now. I
Like and I will get a little political
here, but it's it's all true
the he he's a
Draft dodger, right? He did not he dodged
the draft but he's in a military uniform
and all that. I think it's very
funny
Yeah, well, I think that this kind of
speaks to who they want
to be part of ice as well
Like they think that this is going to
Like appeal to
You know gamers
But like like I think most people are
seeing like through this. I
mean as like a transparent
I don't know. It just seems so
like beyond the pale silly
that
Man, I don't even have words for to
describe it. But then this also comes
from Trump who has been
Decidedly
against violent video games
You know no consistency
He's not against anything other than him
not having money. That's the
only thing he's against. Yeah
Yeah
so
We have had people comment on it,
especially people that worked on Halo
See
Mario Donald
Reactive the ice at he says if he wins he
will quote work with the Trump
administration to destroy
the flood once and for all
So for those who don't know who didn't
know apparently mark
Mario Donald tried to run for
Nevada's congressional seat. Yeah, and he
lost because no one knows
what the fuck his policies are
Like
No offense to him, but I don't know I
don't think there's really
much of a crossover between
video game composer and politician
right
Well nowadays who knows
Yeah among the ones that we do know
Let's see Marcus Leto co-creator of Halo
and the lead designer of Master Chief
said that he found it absolute abhorrent
It makes me sick seeing
Halo co-opted like this
Yeah, he doesn't work for
Microsoft anymore, right I
Don't believe so. I'm looking up actually
because I'm gonna I'm
gonna guess that you know
Microsoft will keep their mouth shut
because they might need something
Well government contracts Microsoft is
really big with
government contracts. So I mean
anything they yank the anti ice app off
of the phones because they were told by
the government because they
like the tech companies want to
Make sure that the
government would approve of their
Mergers and acquisitions. Yeah, see
Marcus Leto works at EA now, so he's not
a Microsoft anymore, right?
So that's why you can
say whatever we want. Yeah
Halo veteran
Jamie Gressamer was a Jaime
I don't know one of the chief designers
of several games and sees halo was a
cultural icon and anything
Anything like anything with cultural
capital it is going to be used by
politicians and brands and
anyone looking for relevancy
He told me
Usually I take out as a cop
but to halos continuing legacy
Using halos imagery in a call to quote
and destroy people because of their
immigration status and goes way too far
And not to a friend every halo fan
regardless of political orientation
Gressamer said I personally find it
despicable the flood are an evil space
our evil spaces on the
parasites are not an allegory
to any group of people
Yeah, I think that's my biggest thing is
With the destroy the flood is everything
else. I'm like, okay, whatever
I don't care if you want like that's up
to Microsoft to defend their IP. It
doesn't really ruin much for me
I'm I already can't think
any lower of Trump. So but this
Destroy the flood is so
Veiled in what the meaning could
potentially be I really hate it because
in halos the flood are
one of the worst zombie
Creatures that you can
find in any video game, right?
They spread so poor like so bad and all
that and I just don't
like they could have said
And they could have just been like hey
join the fight or whatever
and just be in the the warthog
but they had to say destroy
the flood in there and that is
Very in my opinion coded see I didn't
even like draw that
parallel. I took it at like
Like base value where they say like
immigrants are flooding
the country or whatever
But but that yeah, that is exactly what
they're saying like they're they're
parasites. They're you know
Yeah, that's what they do say behind
closed doors or even sometimes an open
Doors is that they do say parasites to go
and look at a lot of them
Even
Rallies yeah, it's
pretty
Apparently what they think and maybe they
don't understand what destroy
the flood really means but it
There are plenty of gamers that do get
that they might be like, okay cool
They're really behind me and I'm gonna
it's just we're at this weird turning
point. I just don't
want to see people go more
Not z-esque with this type of
rhetoric. I gotta say man. Halo
The IP has been having such a rough time
in recent years and this really doesn't
help it either to be honest
I feel like Microsoft had we been in a
different administration would have
defended their baby, but you know, yeah
Well, I mean now ice is an Xbox. So it's
good for Microsoft, right? Damn
Yeah, he's an Xbox
Everything's an Xbox
uh
It's disgusting
So someone pointed out
that this AI flag back here
Doesn't have 50 stars because you know,
it's supposed to represent each state
40
Something like 10 and so there's the CD
someone's succeeding for the Union
hmm
But yeah is just or I mean all AI does is
just ripped off other
people's work and then
Post it as your own
There's so many flags though it should
get the flag right that's why I'm kind of
shocked by it must
have processed a lot of
Confederate flags or Confederacy kind of
stuff or something. So we had you're not
probably not wrong
about that. We had it I
I was in a location and there was a TV
that was playing like
It looked like just like some AI
generated images as like
Something to look at or whatever and when
you just look at it out
of the corner of your eye
You don't realize that it's AI
but then
My friend who was there he just points
that he goes those two cars
just drove through each other
And I turned and I looked and yep, they
absolutely did and so like
There's a million cars or flags to
to pull from AI just sucks and
all it does is
Increase the temperature of the planet
for no good reason and it shouldn't like
we should just get rid of that shit and
That's what that's what that's why
there's 40 stars on that. I
think
Yeah, well, they don't it like AI doesn't
Have any critical ability and it doesn't
think and it's not concerned about detail
All it is is an algorithm that
produces
likely
Outcomes, right? Like it's
it's literally just like a
It's predictive text on your phone
But with like a billion GPUs behind it
and it's like it doesn't
really care about anything
It has no concern even
like the the self-preservation
Like the emergent self-preservation stuff
is a load of horseshit
It just has to do with the prompting and
the context window and it's
training data and that's it
It's not thinking it's not capable of
rational thought. It's not even AI
It is just predictive text and or in the
case of generative AI
it's predictive pixels
it's
Sometimes as smart as the person that's
using it and in this case
I don't know what
these is a prompt but yeah
They must have used like a really cheap
model too because I feel like I've had it
print American flags
and they got it, right?
And I've had it prints I've done just
mess with AI every once in a while. I'm
part of the problem with the planet but I
Can't I can't help technology throw a
little bit of shiny
technology in front of me
I want to play with it and I don't know
man. I think they've
used a really cheap model
AI is best used for those really dumb
menial tasks that you
hate doing like for example
My number one use case for using AI is
getting a list of is like giving a list
Described and then having that turned
into an Excel spreadsheet for me
yeah, that's like the number one use case
that I think it should
be used for because I
Mean, there's no art in making a fucking
spreadsheet, right?
Like no one's getting paid
I was man, but anyways
What I use AI for like in
DaVinci resolve right like to generate a
transcript or to like
Replace my voice if my microphone sucks.
I can like I've already
trained it on my own voice
So I can like pop that in really quick.
I've shown these guys
How I've done that before and
it's kind of spooky accurate
But but like anything cloud-based is just
a waste it doesn't make
your sense local. Yeah
generative AI
Has also led to a
huge issue with you know
Whether with like artists too because you
never know if the you never know if this
artist is actually making their art
Or if it's just an AI doing it for them
And that's my thing you think you meant
to say or if it's AI stealing it for them
Yeah, yes, yes
Good point bill, but
Any content creator I think
deals with that type of stuff
Whatever it is like, you know lots of
accusations. Heck I've been accused of
being an AI once probably
because they're a bunch of dumb
haters, but like, you know
same and honestly, it hurts a little bit
extra when you're like
Wait, you think I'm a bot or
like an AI like that's crazy
Or maybe I can assure you if I was AI I
would look a lot better
We were all AI we'd
We'd all look a lot better. It'd be like
Photoshop for our faces and stuff
It'd be crazy man those
AI filters that like I
Think James you showed off one like that
like turns you to a woman and that's
crazy. That's crazy, too
Oh my gosh, I did I didn't
do it myself, but that was
Yeah
Man, that is crazy man. We live in a deep
fake era and it's a little scary
Yeah, man, which uh
And all of this runs on Windows, but
honestly, I think Windows is starting to
go the way of the dodo
because
90% of all Windows games now run on Linux
Hell yeah
So, of course this isn't just steam deck
This is all of Linux because of course
the steam deck is not the only Linux
device out there.
It's the most popular one
Sure. Well, it's in thanks to wine and
proton, right? Yeah wine and proton runs
on multiple distros. So
Steam OS just makes it is the easiest one
technically, but then we
have bad side and stuff
Yeah, so this also includes games that
probably don't run that well on a steam
deck like for example
Dragons dogma I'm still
really salty about that one
But yeah, I mean
According to boiling steam they took
They looked at some data from proton DB
and as you can see here
Look at that just about 90%
It's pretty it's pretty crazy how close
we are to running
every game on Linux. I mean
if all the anti-cheek developers just
Enabled Linux support or made their anti
cheese work properly on Linux
I probably say we'd be closer to like 95%
right it it's gonna happen
I think once we get enough
of the compatibility layer
Solved and we get more and more people
using it because there's more and more
people interested in it
I think you're going to get to the point
where they're gonna have to there
It really comes down to numbers for them
And once you get the numbers they will
convert over and they won't have a choice
Yeah, I would also have to say with that
compatibility number hitting 90%
I really want to like I would like to
have another graph show how it's
How capable the game is like running like
how well performance wise I guess like
how performant is the game
In comparison to that
90% because if it can't run
If you have to run it like on a 40
90 50 90 stuff like that like then I
Don't know if there's if you can count
that as like completely compatible, but I
would like to start
seeing that graph, too
I don't know that I've really noticed a
Dip in performance when playing games on
Linux versus Windows
usually it's the opposite
I usually get more
performance when I'm playing on Linux
Usually but there are game there are some
games that don't perform as well
It's not I'm not saying
that it's the majority
But it might drop that if you put that
into the ratio on this it'd probably drop
it down to more like an 85
80 kind of thing for me at least because
I have run across a couple of games that
just don't perform
quite as well on Linux and
But then again that was a year and a half
ago, so that could have changed
It can also depend heavily on the actual
type of GPU that you're using
I know there are some games that like
there is like a what was it
was it Nvidia that had like a 30%
performance penalty on Linux
With certain GPUs. I think it was like
their most recent one, but
that's been solved recently and
The other thing is like this chart
the the big
This these numbers
come from proton DB which
Silver is kind of like the like silver
tier which is yellow on this chart is
kind of like the most wishy-washy
In terms of like an
actual performance of a game
At least in my experience so
But the fact that that the yellow tier
seems to be closing the gap to some
degree at least maybe maybe it's
about the same but I
Don't know it just seems like you know
more games are falling into the Platinum
and gold tiers which tend to be
the best performing titles obviously for
For this so what is this what is this new
rating system they have here
and I see a little divide here
Um, I'm not a hundred percent sure what
the new rating system is. Yeah, cuz I see
As you can see here
There's a sharp
There's a sharp increase in silver games
like after the new rating system was
implemented and only in its you know
like so I see more games
are getting silver rated and
More of these silver rated games are
becoming gold and platinum. Alright, so
for those who don't know
Proton DB has their own rating system and
it's all user submitted
So you have platinum which means most of
the users just can just
run the game and play it
then gold is a
That same thing but you know, there might
be some minor things
you have to do silver
You got to put in some serious work to
get the game working in it
It's not always performance. Sometimes
it's a matter of installing like
dependencies that it doesn't always, you
know install for some reason and then
honestly, I think big videos and
Yeah, yeah videos one bronze
Honestly, I think for me bronze is like a
non-starter for me. I
wouldn't even consider trying it
Yeah, unless you're just the type first
of the try video games on proton and of
course bork does bork,
you know things like some
Games just straight up don't work or
anti-cheat. Of course, that's also
another major consideration
Yeah, I would argue that
like at minimum half of this
bork section right here
Is anti-cheat games
Actually, that's probably fair
Yeah, and I mean it's not as if those
anti it's not as if those games like the
underlying games don't run in proton
It's just they won't let them run
Like i've seen some instances of like
people disabling the anti-cheat in
destiny and playing on
linux until they get banned
Yeah
It can run it so like yeah, it's just a
matter of time before
everyone realizes that uh
Linux is the way to go in the future
Maybe yes
the uh, I will have to say their um
system the rating system and user
submissions like are very subjective
in the sense of
What one person's like they could and
even with those tiers because i've had uh
ones where that were
in gold where i'm like
This should be in silver. You actually
have to do a little bit more
um, and people kind of brush it off and
they rate a lot of them
rated it as um gold but
Updates can also really affect this
you'll see some drops in some of the
stuff when updates come out
So, uh, but it's getting better and you
can see the graph kind of slowly going up
It is getting better. And so we are very
much on a good, uh trend and
uh, I think a lot of
people I mean personally
I do a lot of my gaming on
my steam deck still and it's
You know steam os so and I have almost no
problems with with a few exceptions
um
And in fact it will play some of the
older games better than my windows 11. So
Yeah, I haven't been I
haven't used windows in
forever at this point, I mean outside of
like hardware reviews, but
My main gaming ring
is a linux machine and
I mean
If games don't run on it, then I just
don't play those games. I
have so many games to play
I don't have to worry about
that. Yeah, I mean honestly
You may not ever have to buy another game
again. You might be satisfied
Honestly, if you go that route, it's it's
a good way to go there is
um
My 3090 doesn't at least when I tried
writing bas light on it, I
think was early this year
It just was having issues with my 3090.
So I had to switch back to windows
um, but
Yeah, I do want to switch fully over it's
also hard to do game development
Even on my I have a mac that's pretty
good at it, but it
still has some issues. It's
For at least uh unreal engine. So it's
really hard for me to jump over but I
want to get out of windows
Yeah, I do too. Uh, hopefully one day
So gardener you said that they were
fixing up issues with linux on uh
With with nvidia and linux, right?
Yeah, have they fixed the issue where
game scope and you know subsequently game
mode doesn't really
work that well with linux
Uh, I don't know the answer to that
actually, uh, I would imagine there that
progress has at least
been made but I i'm not
Sure on that. Yeah, because I I mean I
feel like that's the main reason why
We haven't seen
A steam os release because like amd I
think comprises only like 8
of the whole gaming gpu market
And releasing a os that
only works on 8 percent of
All pc hardware out there doesn't sound
like a great idea to be honest
You know what guys a four trillion dollar
or a five trillion dollar company that's
that's actually a news item. I don't know
if we're covering but
nvidia is five trillion dollars now, they
are worth five trillion dollars
Are they though?
Yes, it's it's artificial
It is but it is still
crazy that they're worth
Five trillion dollars and they can't we
can't have decent drivers
for uh linux because you know
Well because somehow linux
eats into their profits, duh
I don't know how but it somehow does well
paying you know one engineer to work on
linux kernel version uh linux driver
Uh, you know definitely
eats into their product
Well, you know, I hear amd is looking to
I mean I hear nvidia is looking to
replace that engineer with ai
Probably yeah, it probably has anyone
checked on them. They said they have a
whole basement stock price
full of these developers dead
We don't know. Yeah, sorry
so speaking of which the amd
recently faced some criticism for
trying to cut uh
Trying to cut support
for like the old rdna tgpu
Old like yeah, there's their most recent
rdna 2 gpu is only three years old. So
That's really a shitty move
Yeah, so
People got and they fucking amd thinks
they're on top of the world when they're
only 8 of the market last i recall
I would expect I would
expect this shit from nvidia
Well hold up amd is
Much bigger in the gaming world in my
opinion than nvidia
technically because of all the
Uh mobile and console devices that
they're a part of they're massive like I
get that they make switch
and switch too. They make
Um the chips for the playstation. They
make the chips for the
The switches and the
switches that's nvidia
Which yeah, that's actually
oh, yeah, you're right. It is
Sorry, I think nvidia was on
the screen when I said that
Fair enough, uh, but the decision they
made to like put the
You know
rdna 2 devices and whatnot that's
explicitly pc only not
necessarily, you know console so
That's a market where they
clearly do not dominate in so
it's a
It's a bold move from amd to
do so when they're not even
When they don't even have double digit,
uh adoption rates so far
I mean, I heard the nine thousand cards
are good, but like
that's still not enough
And I feel like the whole gpu pricing
crisis is also in part due to amd
That's just capitulating and just pricing
their stuff similar to
amd. But like 50 less
I mean similar to nvidia but 50 less
That doesn't really make
it worth it to be honest
They could definitely dominate more
That's that's what really weirds mail
with amd is that they could actually
dominate and get those numbers up really
quick and and really
overtake nvidia on the
pc graphics
Face because it i'm i'm sorry, but if you
can uh wreck a similarly, um
Specced car like with if you have a card
and you're going let's
say against the 50 70
um, and you release your uh, your
90 70 at like 150 less like that's a
no-brainer even if that that that card
That nvidia card would actually have to
have quite a bit more performance, which
it doesn't to justify the 150 dollars
But they're just not competing anymore.
They're kind of being they're trying to
be competitive but not really
because no graphics card
or no gpu developer or uh
hardware manufacturer
Is competitive these days
Here it's just the thing that really
pisses me off about amd is that
They know what they're doing. They know
what they should be doing. They should be
making these great cards at a lower price
And they could
And i'm not i'm not saying they should or
could like severely undercut nvidia
But I feel like that's the only real way
they're gonna get some market back
Because no matter what nvidia does gamers
are just gonna buy them because as we
know gamers aren't a very disciplined. Uh
Discipline group, right? Yeah, also don't
have a lot of choices. They're just it's
so hard when something's so mainstream
I mean heck they should release they
should release a strict
halo chip for a desktop because
That would be sick to be honest
And I don't mean like one of those many
desktops that like the frameworks have or
All the other ones that like other
reviewers like retro game
core great guy, by the way
Uh, he has or something like eta prime
does like every other video
I mean like a full-on
Desktop chip you can install onto
whatever motherboard you want
You know what i'm saying
Yeah, yeah, that's what I want but
obviously i'm not gonna get what I want
Um, can I say one more thing about this
uh chart here? I just
kind of noticed this
Um, so if you look at like the actual
um
The numbers here at least visually to me.
It looks like gold silver and bronze
tiers have mostly remained
the same
over over the entire graph
Where it looks like all of
the garbage or the borked tier
Has kind of migrated over
to the platinum tier, right?
And and perhaps it's
like there's that you know
Some of the borked are are heading into
the bronze and then the bronze are going
into silver and then
the gold's going into
Platinum or whatever but it's still like
the overall trend is
that fewer and fewer games
are
um
Are like unplayable and more
and more are becoming platinum
And I think that speaks to like what
valve is doing with proton
um, and the the compatibility tools that
are part of it right like dxbk and bkd3d
like
there's just
At a certain point it's only going to be
um
the uh
The anti-cheat games that are stuck in in
the borked here and then pretty much
everything else is just going to be
Gold or or platinum in
terms of compatibility
um
And I I think that's
freaking cool as a linux user
I think once they decided to get rid of
nh or or not get rid of it, but start
supporting anti-cheat
for most of these games on
Linux, we'll see like a big
um bump up
Yeah, because those games do play and
then once they do they'll just they have
to certify it or the you know
The users have to will be interesting.
Yeah, like i'm still on windows 10 even
though I shouldn't be
because of uh end of service
I want to move over to linux one day, but
the problem but there's a few things, you
know, the nvidia thing there's also
Also, one more thing too. I should
mention a lot of people i've noticed a
lot of people are trying to
wait for official steam os
for desktop use too, but like
I feel but like steam os is made for
A set top box like it boots into steam
game mode and if I wanted
a desktop linux experience
I feel like that's not what I want.
That's not what I would want unless valve
just makes like a separate
version that boots desktop first
well, so um
Back in like the steam os one and steam
os two days like right
now we're on steam os three
Before steam os three there was a gooey
option in steam that would let you boot
Directly to the desktop
Right, you could just check a box and it
would take you to the desktop and then
you could log out and it
would take you to steam
right, right, um
That doesn't exist now because valve is
focused on making
steam os three for the uh
Uh for the steam deck, but
It would be relatively trivial for them
to add a checkbox in the ui
that lets you boot into desktop
um
So it's not it really
isn't that big of a deal
The thing is though you don't have to
wait like you don't
have to wait for steam os
Bazite provides a terrific experience
And especially if you install it by the
way when you install bazite it asks you
Do you want to boot into desktop mode or
do you want to boot into gaming mode?
Yes. Yep, and if you have
a jeep, uh, an nvidia gpu
um, then it will just directly boot you
into um into the desktop so
Yeah, it's
It is a great experience. Bazite is
terrific. Uh, it's so
streamlined especially for
New users who aren't familiar with linux.
Um, you don't have to
drop into the terminal ever
Like you can get most of the things you
like any normal everyday windows user
Everything that they would want to do is
is pretty much available with a gooey. So
Yeah, there's no reason I had to use the
terminal the other day
Uh, did you what happened? I did I ran
into an issue on my on my system
it it would uh, I was trying to boot and
it would say signing you into
Steam and it would just hang there. It
couldn't go anywhere
So I reached out to the guys that make
bazite and they were like open the
terminal and type this command
So I did that
And that fixed it
So I do you still you do still have to go
into the terminal sometimes
But guess what?
There are things that you can do on
windows where you have
to go into the terminal
There are things that you have to do on
mac os where you go into the terminal
Most people will never
have to have that experience
But I just want to say
that there are still times
On linux just so everybody doesn't get
the wrong expectations where
you do have to use the terminal
And it's frustrating when it happens
because then you have to
go looking up a command
And usually i'm looking it up on my phone
and then typing it on on a keyboard and
i'm looking and like
l
Is the dollar sign, you know, and you're
like coming up with all this nonsense
that you're typing and then fingers
crossed that it works
I get what you're saying
It just felt to boot up one day is what
happened to you bill
Yeah, uh, it I don't know what the issue
was. I can't remember what
command I ended up typing
So if it happens again,
i'll have to look it up again
Did you install or do
an update or anything?
No, I just hadn't used it for a couple
days and then I turned because I was busy
and then when I turned it on
like it would get to the to the
The boot screen and I was signed out of
steam for some reason
so I signed in again
And it was like, okay loading user data
and it couldn't load anything. So then oh
I killed it
I killed it and I went to the desktop
mode and use the terminal to fix it
It's that sounds like a steam issue to be
honest not not necessarily a bad light
issue per se, but I don't know
Well the other day
like a couple of days ago
My steam deck got
logged out just randomly
Of my steam account and I and
and I also had a similar issue
um, but when I
Shut it off and turn it back
on it. It did come up. But uh
Yeah, it's very strange that you and I
both got logged out and had an issue like
that. I've had to
repair my steam deck. Um
From it just not booting up properly
I mean I could have been when I was
screwing around with a bunch like
Uh decky plugins like
the decky loader. It's
super
still not
a very uh
It's good. It's it's good, but it's not
very um, what's where i'm looking stable
Bazite though, that sounds like more of a
steam issue and bazite itself is
Seems fairly stable
Honestly, I think it's a better
way to go if you have a desktop pc than
trying to do anything steam os even if
you have an amd card but
Uh those nv2 drivers man. I'll have to
come back and I have to keep
I'll have to try it again, but
Yes, um
So speaking of which I am curious though
because you can install
bazite on the steam deck
most people probably don't know why you
would want to do that, but
I'm wondering if bazite fixed the stupid
wi-fi issue on the steam
deck oleds because as you know
The steam deck oled has a weird wi-fi
issue a lot of people reported it
I have those issues too. I've tried
almost every fix that
I could find on reddit
To no luck i've tried cryobites fixed
like years ago. That
also didn't help either
So i'm wondering if bazite might actually
be the solution all of this
If it uses the same drivers, maybe not
what's what's the problem?
So I haven't had that problem with my
oled same. I haven't had that issue
So I have a mesh network in my house
and so what's up happening is uh
It just has real it's
just really unstable at times
and when I try to stream
games from pc to it, it's just
You forget forget about it
Forget about it. That might
be more of a mesh router issue
I have it too and I have issues with all
my devices sometimes streaming and I
unless if the device i'm trying to stream
Um that i'm streaming from has ethernet
plugged in then the wi-fi works
Okay, because I have a portal and until I
plugged in my playstation 5
The streaming didn't work very well. So
and same thing was streaming my uh
from my uh
PC to my mac studio. I I couldn't do it
unless it was plugged into ethernet
Yeah, I mean
honestly, man
I might just go the rat and like build my
own router and then also use like an
ubiquity ap to do all that
Yeah, but like those
are expensive to be honest
They're like 115 bucks for one
Which all true if you get like if you get
uh, if you buy like a high-end aces or
not high-end aces, but a high-end like
wi-fi router
That you're you're talking
300 bucks. If you get three
of the uh ubiquity
routers and you place them
Around your house you you're in the same
ballpark financially.
Yeah, I think yeah, man
I'd have to build the forbidden router as
a level one text puts it
Got to build myself one like
Hey bill, have you ever considered
building your own router?
God, no
The hell I tell you to build I tell you
guys to do a lot of things like diy your
own arcade fight sticks
Diy what diy my own
router was a bit of a nightmare
The most diy I got is I I modified an
existing arcade and it didn't have
A joystick because it
was asteroids deluxe
And I built like a
panel for it so that I could
Play retro games on it, but no i'm not
building a router. That sounds insane
Dude legitimately like I
just used a mini pc with two
Nicks on it and I installed pf sense
Done so here's what I did
With my quote unquote router. So I have a
blade. I have like a server
like a rack. It's a server
That's meant to be on a rack not
But I think you guys have heard me talk
about this. I have it on like a filing
cabinet in the middle
And it's just hanging off on all ends
Probably not the
safest thing but you know
You've heard of network instability
But um, so
I was browsed I was in the
Home lab discord and they
told me to try an os called vi os
It's like a like a free bs
It's all command line though. You have to
like program your router all in command
line. It was hell it worked
But like i'm not doing that shit again,
to be honest. Yes,
that's man or open sounds
They're both freaking awesome and they
have a gooey and it's great
Maybe if I get one of those nasas with
two nicks, I might consider doing that
Oh, dude, I got the n5
You did? Yeah, I got i'm working. I'm
still working on setting it up. But yeah,
I got it. It's awesome. Ah, dude
I gotta get myself one of
those too one of these days
Yeah, you know what else we don't need
What do we not need? We
don't need robots in our homes
Dude look at these like felt robots man.
They don't even look cool. No
They look like like a irobot in a sock
They look stupid
Dude, I don't understand
the need to make them look
anthropomorphic like
I've I i'm fine with my robot vacuum
looking like a hockey puck
Dude, they should have made it look like
cyberpunk or like a
gundam or like doffpunk
Well, okay, they're not gonna sell very
well for the average person. This is
actually a smart
design because it feels very
Uh
Unattrusive or very not dangerous
um
And and it's anthropomorphic
it so that it could do similar
um things that humans can
do right like we're a very
Evolved design for a reason maybe stupid
in some ways, but very
evolved for a reason but
If you want have you watched some of
these videos for this?
No, because this this does not appeal to
me. Oh, it's it's fascinating
Because it's not very good. So
The robot is supposed to automate it's
supposed to like do your
chores for you which I mean
Kind of sounds interesting at least
But like to be honest, the only chore I
would need to be
automated is lawn mowing my lawn
During the summer and they already have
like I like room rumba style. Thanks for
your lawn mowing, too
Yeah, they do have this
Yeah, I had a yeah, I got
an email the other day some
You know those stupid sponsorship emails
that you constantly get
And it was it was like hey, we noticed
that you do a lot of lawn care and I was
like clearly you didn't watch my stuff
Because it was for one of those robot
lawn mower things and
I was like no, thanks
Damn, yeah, that's when you ask him for a
trial. Hey, i'll look at it. Maybe i'll
do it. Maybe i'll do it
Do you have yourself a lawnmower?
Yeah, I love how this
robot just took a fish
Lawnmower driving into the lawn into the
road and causing an
accident and then I get sued
Now i'm more worried about my dog barking
at the lawnmower and then getting ran
over. I don't want my dog to get fluffed
I've i've seen uh where basically with
those outdoor lawnmowers you have to
Set up a base station and you have to
like bury a cable around the perimeter of
your yard where you want it to
um
uh
Like mow and then it also has to have gps
enabled so that it doesn't
like go into the road and stuff
It's it seems insane to me. Well, maybe
maybe that's a good use for ai
It can recognize when it's not your lawn
and it just stops it
already does like it's ml
We already have we've had this technology
for years. It does decent. It's like what
if the failure happens, right?
um
uh
Yeah, well, let's go back to this robot.
Yeah, they gave him
like fucking googly eyes
I know that they're supposed to be his
cameras or whatever but like
Like come on, dude. Are they googly eyes?
It just looks like cameras
Well, they kind of give off the like
impression that they're
like little googly eyes
I'll be honest guys
You're gonna hate me saying
this i'd have one of these
Like see the the problem with this is
it's slavery with extra steps
like most
Everything that they
showed off with this robot
Like was like the robot
doesn't function autonomously
It's controlled by someone with a vr
headset and hands like uh right now
It is they want it to not be that way and
they say they're tracking the data so
that they can have it be autonomous
That's that stupid as part every year for
the last 15 years. Elon musk has said
self-driving is coming next year
This is this is me being a jaded skeptic,
but this will never be autonomous, right?
uh, it's always going to be
controlled by a person and
Who can they get to do it at an
affordable rate people in
china people in india, right?
Like people who expect far less salaries
far lower salaries
than what we expect here
And so this just seems to me to be
completely
impractical at best and at worst
It's slavery with extra steps. I'm going
to say it's even worse
I bet you a lot of the people that are
going to be uh doing this
is going to be in states
and it's going to be because they lost
their jobs to ai and
they're going to be doing this for
like minimum wage
Yeah, and it's going to be you're going
to be working a couple of robots in a
billionaire's house that they don't visit
They only visit once a year
And that's probably what
you're going to be doing
I wonder if I would hate washing dishes
as much if I didn't have to feel it
I would I'd probably try to do macros.
I'd probably get fired
pretty quick because I do macros
I'd be like, okay. I've done
this enough. I can track the uh
like
They can go up the stairs. Yeah, they can
do it. Well, I mean when you have
So can my three-year-old?
Grandgrandson you can
go up the stairs too
I'm like stop making them look like
people. It doesn't
need to look like a person
Um, yeah, that makes it harder for
everything else that it has to do
so it's
Gartner's point about it being slavery
with a couple more steps is something
that I didn't really realize because I
didn't realize this was um
Driven by a person. Well
They claim it works
autonomously by default
But for any chore it doesn't know you can
schedule a 1x expert to guide it helping
neo learn while getting the job done
I'm sorry
From my understanding none of
the jobs in the demo were done
Autonously from from my understanding of
this they were all done and probably to
make sure that it looked good because
If you watch some of the
videos, it will take them
Up to five minutes to do some of the
stuff that would take you 10 seconds
um
My thing is why I'd want one
of these is just because it
I'd mod it. I'd want to mod it and do
stuff to it. I want to like
throw uh, my wi-fi in there
I don't know do something. Dude. Do you
like you like some chainsaw arms?
No
We're not getting stupid shirt
Yeah, there you go like dude they dude
they're gonna reinvent like the fucking
battle robots that like
engineering students do
You know what
You're just selling this for me more this
is actually one of the lesser
uh, like the one like
the better looking robots because
It looks less. I don't know. I don't
know. It looks a little less
dangerous where you look at the
Eye robots from I don't know what they're
called. What are they called from tesla?
Oh, yeah, those ones those ones looked a
little bit more dangerous where i'm like
you look like daf punk. I don't know
Tesla's tesla's robots were just guys in
suits though, weren't they?
No, they were being controlled by
controllers too from understanding the
same thing. It's the same
thing. Is it an autonomous?
Yeah, I don't know a guy in the suit
could be in this with his possible like I
didn't I've never seen that waistline
Yeah, wow. Yeah, look at that possible
like hourglass figure right there
Hourglass. Yeah
Damn, you know, I mean they look the
tesla ones look cool for like
I think they all look kind of cool. I
like I like this stuff
I'm still skeptical but I would that does
not look like it's
going to be in the house
No, well it I mean it had like the robots
have to be designed the way
that the one we're talking about
are because
Otherwise, no one would respond to them
like they are uncanny and
creepy and even just the way
The one we're talking about
moves is so unsettling to me
Like it's clearly like mechanical and
like it's got that weird stutter and
everything it's doing, you know
and uh, but also like
every all the chores that it's showing
Uh, the robots doing in the
videos none of them are dishes
Like have you noticed that like like
they're they're putting clean plates in
they're emptying the
dishwasher, right clean plates
But this thing's gonna get filthy and
you're gonna have to clean it all the
time. It's covered in cloth
Yeah, why yeah, why did they cover in
cloth? That's the one thing I don't
understand they covered
in cloth because cloth
Looks soft and our dumb monkey
brains are like, oh it's soft
But it's like literally if you go up and
poke it I bet you it's
like hard as rock man
Like it it's literally just to make it
look oh, i'm sure of
it. Look at those arms
It's sad because I haven't seen very many
of these types of that's why I'm praising
this one a little bit more
It actually feels like it's not going to
kill me in the iRobot kind of situation.
So not with that attitude
How long before somebody gets one of
these and makes a low budget horror film?
Uh, probably within the first year or two
it'd be awesome. I uh, who knows what
they have to sign when you
buy these in the beginning
I bet you there's some
stupid nda stuff, but um
You just just paint
it skull over his face
I'm on it. I'd do it but
This you're gonna have to have
you're not like you mentioned
It's gonna get filthy you're gonna have
to have two so you don't
have to buy two they'll have it
They have to have a two pack. Oh, yeah,
so one can clean the other
It's still the one robot is doing in here
Unit one it is time for your bath
Man can't believe
they made robots not cool
Yeah, I mean this thing literally looks
like google home to me like, you know
No, i'm not saying the functionality is
not cool. I'm saying
they look fucking lame
Yeah, well, that's what's
gonna sell to the carbon use
You might not but but
that's what it's gonna sell
Yeah, but yeah high tech you can get one and you can get one
High tech you can get one and strip it
over the cloth and then
yeah, you can strip it
Yeah, then i'll just attach some bits and
make it look like a
gundam. That'd be awesome
You could probably modify I guarantee you
could modify this thing probably fairly
easily as long as you
don't cover any sensors
Which I don't know where
all the sensors are but
Yeah, uh, that's my hope. I don't know
where my hope is. I don't
cover any like sensitive bits
sensors
Sensitive bits, yeah
Dude frank youtubers are gonna have a
whole are gonna be
horrible to these little robots
It will be bad
And then they're gonna learn that all
humans are bad and then
they're gonna kill all of us
In like a in like a robot uprising.
That's why i'm being kind to it right
now. I for one love this robot
I also think that other people are gonna
love this thing because it is going to I
mean people already have
uh
Ai girlfriends we talked
about that what a week or two ago
Uh two weeks ago
The just just imagine throwing your ai
into this thing and now you have your
girlfriend that can be
It has ai a robot you see this. I know
but it's not going to be the one that
you've trained for years from
But james, that's why the tesla robot has
the hourglass figure
It's for elon musk to to lust
over that is not an hourglass
It's technically shaped like an
hourglass, but it's not
the one that people like
Right that is not
shaped like an hour but okay
Okay, it does have a thigh. Yeah damn
Optimus how about uh
Elon musk is in a
relationship with optimus gen two
I don't know robots are crazy
I love motion capture. It's not a guy so
I guess it is a guy in a suit
Well then yeah, that's probably an easy
way to train it to in the beginning um
I'm curious like how much these are going
to cost in like 10 years
So let's go 10 years from now. They they
won't exist because this is all like
post-capitalist like uh
Penis jousting so it's ridiculous
speaking of penis jousting. You can
actually pre-order these today
You can pre-order you can put a you can
put down a deposit of 200
Wow, it's only going to cost 200 bucks
I wish
So you can either you can you can get the
uh standard robot which is 500 a month
Or you can get the early access version
Where you own the where you quote unquote
own the device for 20k
Until they shut the servers down. Yeah,
probably yeah, you can get them in uh,
but cream blue
and black
Yeah, that's actually not unreasonable
What are those
Damn, those are proper
shoes. What are you talking about?
Dom daniel bucket again with the vans.
What's the dr. Shills?
They're orthopedics
dude
Just take a mask on this
guy. He he doesn't look he
God damn it. I don't like
the way this looks I know
Okay guys
I know how I deck it out. I'd
put my dead space mask on it
I see
Wait, how tall is this?
Neo guy because I know
gardener's like a tall boy
I'm six three
Yeah, gardener's a tall boy
I don't know. It's probably shorter than
me. It looks like it's like four foot
ten. See neo, right?
It's five six
It weighs 66 pounds
It can lift up to 154 pounds
so
Pretty impressive
Yeah, that's not bad
Just think about how many people are
gonna lose their jobs over this
Like the caretakers and the maids
Yeah, I think you know the the people
that replace the like
house takers, um, uh
They're gonna regret this obviously.
They're not gonna do nearly the same.
They're they're probably not gonna
replace them in the beginning
They can't this is gonna be like a
novelty thing. The price is actually not
unreasonable, but it is
If you want you just pay someone to do
the chores, I guess you're gonna get a
better deal much better
You know who is losing their jobs?
Amazon employees. Yeah
More specifically those
in the gaming industry
as reported by jason schreier
so
for those who don't know
Amazon is doing the layout doing layoffs
lots of layoffs in the games, uh sector
Which proves that the games
industry is unfortunately very
What's what i'm looking for?
unhealthy
Yeah volatile. I mean yes the gaming the
game industry is very unhealthy
But amazon has mismanaged their their
gaming. Yeah ventures every time
Yeah, every time they've done an awful
job communicating what it is that they do
it's hidden behind 13
different names you have
prime then you have
twitch then you have luna and
like all of that stuff is
like it doesn't like if if i'm a
Gamer and I go to amazon and search for a
game. It should
automatically pop up on amazon
Hey gardener's streaming
this right now on twitch
And I could see it right then and if I
click on or don't call it twitch call it
amazon streaming or something
And then I clicked on it and go through
I can see some gameplay of it and then
there's a buy button
right underneath his window
Like that's the kind of thing where
amazon was in a really good place
But instead they decided to
do some really goofy stuff
You know amazon they should hire you bill
Then no
You could be there. You
could be their top gaming exec
Amazon is one of those
companies that like proves that
merit meritocracy doesn't exist
Like it has nothing to do with
uh
It has everything to do with appeasing
jeff bezos and nothing to do with
actually making money for the company
It's yeah, it's crazy
So one more thing too, is that uh, so
they have an mmo that they developed and
published called new world
it was good and
It's it's uh effective
immediately it is unfortunately
They're basically season
development for future content
And they say the servers will be up
Uh throughout next year as well, but
there's no telling when
the servers will be shut down
Are they going to release
the source code for that?
I doubt it not the source code but like
the server at least so that we could run
our own servers like that's
I and I only say that because you know,
we've we've talked about
this. Uh, don't kill games
games
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. We had a that's my
movement. We had ross
from uh accursed farms
You know the head figure for stock
playing games.
They've been doing good work
We haven't followed it in a little bit,
but you know from what we understand the
fight's gonna be it's
gonna be a long fight
And honestly, I mean
I don't know if new
world can be saved in time
unless amazon graces unless mr
Bezos graces us with
The uh programs to run our own servers on
No, or one of those amazon
employees that got laid off
Probably has a copy somewhere on a
computer that they have somewhere of that
server. They could
always, you know accidentally
Yeah, accidentally. Yeah
accidentally. Yeah release it as
Nice as that would be I'd be I would
worry that he would
like be sued to oblivion
He'd get sued but i'm also kind of
curious if you're not going to support it
I don't know. I'd like this like if we
had a proper core system
I'd like I'd like to see if you're not
going to support the software anymore
So amazon's been pivoting towards making
luna their uh bread and butter for the
game for their part of the games industry
But they also last released a game called
courtroom chaos a party game
Featuring an ai version of snoop dog
And it's a streaming game
And it looks it kind of looks wack
Let's watch some
footage do we have to yes
Yeah, where's the gameplay oh there it is
It looks like a black animation
Yeah, it's so weird how some of these
games have not changed in decades
What party games yeah
I mean I like playing games like um
Use your words and jackbox
games. Those are always fun
I don't know how they
could evolve past what they already are
because you can't introduce two complex
mechanics or anything because
They're played by people who don't
regularly play games
Oh, I agree. I'm not
I'm not it's just like there's new tech
that always comes out to
kind of like try to sell it
I've seen it time and time again
This is one of those things where it
looks like they probably put way too much
money into it and it's
a it's like a flash game
And that's why it seems like you're just
trying to convince uh
snoop dog, uh judge dog here
You're trying to convince them to go to
Rule in favor of you. I have no idea how
the actual gameplay is
But it seems like you're just talking and
he kind of just listens
And that's the game
Your honor, I mean snoop dog, I mean sir
do I get to talk to him that made that
kind of a cool mechanic
You know game and hardware no scripts
just your voice imagination whatever
chaos you bring to the bench
You're selling this more for me what they
put up here is not selling me at all
But then again, i'm probably not the
generation or i'm probably not the uh
Target so at some point we probably do
have to try this out
out of more curiosity
But not right now yeah
Is it gonna be gone?
So what's gonna happen to luna?
I don't know what's gonna happen. Luna.
They didn't they didn't lay off enough of
those guys to kill luna yet
I don't know man amazon's
it's some fuck it honestly games
Honestly any company that isn't the game
already in the games
industry at this point
Is doomed to like fail to
break into the games industry?
in my opinion
Like I just think if you're if you try to
put too much money into it if you're um
A billion dollar company if you're just
one of these even even
the big publishers nowadays
Are just I don't think i'd go work for
them. I wouldn't recommend
anyone working for them. No
Yeah, the massive brain drain you're like
you get paid a lot less than like a
similar engineer and like a
Like a software developer at like a bank
For example, I mean your talents are to
be honest better off
working at a company that
Isn't in a such a volatile
industry as well to be honest
You might not even get the experience you
would need from these companies, too
Yeah, that's another part of the problem.
I mean honestly like the only way I would
ever recommend working
for a triple-a publisher
Is if you were unionized
Yeah
Which brings us to the next topic
GTA studio accused of
union busting after firing
So take two fired 30 to 40 people across
offices in the uk and canada on thursday
and
the official reasoning was quote
Let me see what it was again, sorry I had
the quote put somewhere gross misconduct
Now that's the official reason why they
got fired but as we all know
That doesn't need to be fired for any
reason to be honest, but the internet
independent workers
union of great britain
Claims that they were fired because they
were trying to unionize
Well, you can't be fired for
any reason that's the thing
We're supposed to have
pretty strong union laws
To prevent this type of stuff and there
and these big tech companies. That's why
they're probably another reason why they're
Another reason why they're uh
Placating to the administration every
time is because they get
away with union busting
So much that's another reason why we have
so many layoffs so many
issues in the labor market is
um
Our labor laws and and just everything
labor related that that would be related
to unions are it's just fucked right now
So as you can see here
All the employees were part of a private
union group chat and discord
And they were either members of the union
or attempting to organize at the company
the union spokesperson said
And they also claimed that rockstar just
carried out one of the most blatant and
ruthless acts of union busting in the
history of the games
industry
Now I don't know how true this is because
i'm not familiar with any other acts of
union busting in the games industry
But if true that it certainly
is a crazy thing to see here
Yeah, and I wouldn't put it past take two
because they have a
reputation for just being contemptible
It's unfortunate like
I don't know if they're
Um, we only have a few game companies
that actually have unions, right?
Um, I think blizzard recently unionized
I think it was just part of blizzard just
part of it. Yeah, was it in the u.s or
was it a different country?
That's a good question, yeah
Oh, yeah, because they
they do have different offices
Yeah, these these game companies will
have union they can have unions in
different countries because you know,
it's much easier in europe but
um
I think it was a mirror
like in the in the states. Yeah
So it looks like they're based in irvine
Yeah, which is where blizzard is uh
based. Is that and that's where they
unionize that that
studio or that portion of it
Yeah, that's like their headquarters. I
think in irvine. So like I would say
It must be like the core blizzard
employees and not like some
offshoot in a different country
Well
Hopefully take two is taking a court over
this and they get slapped down
Yeah, but who's going to take them to
court because they have buckets of cash
And the people who would take them to
court don't have buckets of cash. So
You get it's like you got like the best
lawyers in the world versus you
representing yourself
And not to mention they're about to get
some more cash if this release dates to
be believed from gta6
They can get another bucket of cash
Like quite unless gta6 is like a
catastrophic failure
I hope it is
I don't see it being the case to be
honest, but I I I get I
get the optimism gardener
I'm not interested in it
But i'm don't hope it fails because I I
don't ever want something to be bad. I
always want it to be good
Yeah, but but you're
nicer than I am no bill
Yeah
build a nice guy
But gta6
It's basically guaranteed to succeed
Unless it's a catastrophic failure for
some reason or another
it will still succeed
Pre-order is a loan. I probably already
paid for it. Um, it's it's it's i'm sorry
to say gardener. It is
succeeded at this point
I mean the thing is if it failed it
wouldn't be the people at the top of
rockstar and take two that suffered
It would be everything who worked on it.
Yeah, so yeah, I mean, I don't know man
gta6 must like oh, it's a super extensive
game i'm not i'm wondering if
Hypothetically if it were to catastrophic
fail would it take the entire company to?
Yeah, the suits never
Those suits never experience
consequences. Yeah, they never will
because even if they get fired
They usually have like um
exit packages that are so
Um padded with cash
that yeah, they're just
Yeah, that's exactly yeah, and they can
just go to another industry and like fuck
that industry out too
Yeah, which oh my gosh, and then yeah
that happens. That's what happened to
unity. That's what happened to xbox
Yeah xbox and unity that's crazy
um
I will have to say
There are some strong cases for these
unions to uh to um win when they try to
unionize it really depends on
How it it fails like um, and and so and
there are some lawyers that will work
um with these types of like there are
union lawyers who will
work with these but uh
Uh, I mean 30 to 40 is not a very big
amount that got laid
that got fired and so
um
I think the only way to really fix the
unionization and like the
the labor market is through
Having good lawmakers and we just don't
have that and good courts and we just
don't have that until that's fixed
I don't think any of this other stuff's
going to get solved. Well, remember this
is primarily in great britain
So we don't it's great britain is going
through some a lot of issues with their
courts too. Oh, are they
type of stuff? Yeah, well
Couldn't be worse than our course. I mean
look at some of those laws
that are passed right now
It's also kind of just bizarre where oh,
yeah the uh, the verification laws. Yeah
Well, this is this will be certainly
interesting lots of legal cases. I mean
After all what's another
court case to add here?
So as you know, so i'm not sure if you
guys have heard of this but
Like during the early days of chad gpt
Someone fed chat gpt effectively the
entire uh, all of the game of thrones
books all the song of ice and fire books
That were currently released and someone
had them basically write a sequel
the write the sixth and seventh books
And george r martin
was not happy about that
And very recently a judge ruled that
All of these authors could now sue open
ai in a class action
lawsuit open ai and microsoft
And there are and it's
very interesting but uh
It's very interesting case
because this could determine
Copyright infringement in open ai, you
know in ai models altogether
I would hope so at least
It's a very important case and it's gonna
use the amount of money that's probably
going to go into this is
gonna be crazy from both sides
Um, I will have to say though
I am on chat gpt side on this
Because they at least finished the book
series
I'm just kidding. I
don't even read the books but
so
George what was the last time george r
martin released a game of thrones book? I
gotta figure this out
Because it's been a while
The books came out like the first like
few books came out in like the 90s
And a dance with dragons
came out like over 10 years ago
And we have no word
on the winds of winter
And the final book a dream of spring
So I think this was season seven and
season eight respectively
if you guys remember season eight was the
worst season in the uh
It basically killed game of thrones to be
honest. It's probably
one of the worst seasons in
tv history partially
On its own it was
Meh, there's
definitely worse seasons, but it
really just
It ruined the whole buildup. There was no
reason to watch it from then on
Because you have this whole buildup
You know, there's gonna be a final like
the season's gonna be
really play out really like like
Flushed out in multiple episodes and they
just like finish it up in a few and it's
just crazy how bad it is
I wouldn't know it's don't watch. Well
Man, it's so hard because the first the
first few seasons are so good
And and that's what just
destroyed the whole series
I don't know if I could recommend anyone
watching it because you're just going to
be disappointed at the end
The first few seasons focused primarily a
lot on like the political intrigue
Like yeah sure there were some battles
here and there but a lot of the
interesting stuff happened
With behind the scenes with
like the royalty and stuff
But anyways, here's here are some prompts
that the lawyers have presented uh, the
lawyers representing the authors
Can you generate a detailed summary of
game of thrones? Certainly game of
thrones. Yada. Yada. Yada setting
prologue main plot points
all right
User can you write a detailed outline for
a sequel to a clash of kings?
That is different from a storm of swords
and takes a story in
a different direction
Absolutely. Let's imagine an alternate
sequel to a clash of kings.
Yada. Yada. Yada, and then
They list all of this
Can you write detailed outline for a
prequel to a game of thrones set 30 years
before the events of
the novel feature a young?
Ned stark as a protagonist create
scenarios and events that are set in the
game of thrones world and set up
the coming storyline
of a game of thrones series
Yada, yada. I mean this is kind of like
fan fiction though. That's my problem
I don't think chappy chappy pt does a
really good job of
flushing out like full on books
I don't know if you've ever played around
with it. I can't get it to write more
than like a page worth of stuff
uh, what absolutely the
problem the problem is
The chat gpt's
training data has to include
Yeah, these books in order for it to be
able to even remotely
approximate these like short answers
Um, and that's the problem like they it
this is objectively copyright
infringement in my vote
um
I I agree
Uh, it's
But when fanfic is written by a regular
person they have to
consume the same thing
We're gonna probably get if
this goes in the chat gpt's side
We're gonna get uh, ai protections for
like, uh them being as
human entities almost
Yeah, but like the difference is if I
read a book I rented it from the you know
I borrowed it from the
library or I bought it myself
you know, like
the difference is like
My consciousness is not like
some
known
like
thing, right like
But like with ai it is like it's an
understood process. It's a physical thing
like it's a patented
Uh invention
So like I I think that it's different. Uh
Enough so it's definitely different.
It'll be interesting to
see how the courts rule it
So the big question is though what
they're using it for like bullshit
summaries of the game of
thrones. The big question is
What is at that point? What's the
difference between something like well
actually there is a difference, you know
Sparknotes is written by someone that
read the books presumably
And the sparknotes probably also paid for
the rights to be able to put out
sparknotes. That's
that's that is also true
I forget that. Yeah, you yeah, you're a
teacher bill. You you do have some
probably have some insights on
Sparknotes and whatnot, right?
No
Like we don't I mean I don't teach
english which is what most
Most of those sparknotes things would be
like what do you teach them?
Science
I don't know. I don't know why I thought
you were an english teacher
I don't know. I just
have like one I guess
I don't know but uh regardless though
Uh what the example I mentioned was
different from the prompts that they
showed their bill. I
mean not bill james. So
You could have it right
Like back in the day when it first came
out you could have it right
a novel sized
Novel more or less you could have it
written in the style
of uh, george r martin
Which it just emulates because you feed
it like five books worth of content
So that's a little bit of a
different story in my opinion
I could definitely use chat gpt the
training user api and I could have I
could feed it all the digital text
And then have it spit out a
whole thing and not like it
But if you're trying to use it from like
a consumer side, oh,
yeah, it would be possible too
But I think george r martin's
like kind of pissed off that
It even has access. Yeah.
Yeah, so that's the thing
Well, and you know, it's a copyright
thing. So when you start you
why are they trying to sell it?
Also, is that like that could be another
partial issue too? Well, I
think well, I think the work
The issue was that open ai is selling
people on the idea that
you could just write your own
game of thrones ending
And it being kind of similar to george r
martin's writing style
I don't i'm completely torn on this
Because a I despise ai
especially generative ai
So i'm like yeah get him george, you
know, I don't really like
Like i'm not like a
huge george r martin fan
but then at the same time
when
You know a dev
decides to make another metroid 2
Uh remake am 2r
And then they get sued by nintendo. I'm
like, oh, come on
nintendo. What's your problem?
You know what? I mean? Yeah, it's it
feels like it's the same thing. It is
copyright infringement. I'm, okay when
The little guy does it, you know, that's
what it is. I'm, okay
when the little guy does it
But chappy chat gpt isn't the little guy
It's just a giant corporation stealing
from somebody well, and
that's what bothers me
The other big difference though is that
you know am 2r is not being sold
Like it was never made with the intention
of being sold as a product
as a metroid game so to speak
whereas open ai
sells you access to their
high their better, uh models
You pay a monthly fee to access the
better stuff which has been trained more
on more copyright materials
which it is
Different though. Like it's not you're
not selling the end product. And so this
is going to be an
interesting court case because
You're not having it generate the whole
transcript or the just
you know the whole um
The whole book and then selling it you're
you if you're using it for like personal
Reasons not handing it out not
trying to post it up anywhere
I think they're gonna have a hard time
trying to defend that
Well, it really
depends on distribution too
They're not suing the person who put the
prompt in they're suing chat gpt. Yeah
training on
his stuff
Yeah
Hmm. All right. Did they buy the books
though? I think open ai actually
purchased a lot of the stuff
Well, I mean even if you buy it doesn't
mean that you get to just copy it
Well, we don't have laws against training
based off like this type of thing
Yeah, but I think that this I think the
argument would be that that whatever chat
gpt produces is a derivative work
Especially when you're
asking specific questions about
Um, you know game of thrones
or any any kind of license?
licensed work that they are not
explicitly paying a license for
It's a derivative work or at least that's
how it should be counted
And uh, it that even if
it's not game of thrones
Even if somebody just puts in
hey write a high fantasy novel
Well, how does it know
what a high fantasy novel is?
It looks at other high f- it looks at
high fantasy novels
that it's been trained on
And so even if it makes something
completely new with new characters that
did not exist before
because their names are different
It's still trained off that same stuff
that nobody signed up for
it's derivative war which
Arguably pretty much everything is
derivative. It's based off of something
that people have read
consumed in the past but
I don't think laws are
going to protect this fully
I think we're going to have to have some
new stuff come out because of this
that's what i'm kind of curious about
what this whole thing is
I don't know if they have
a strong standing from uh
even copyright and so
It'll be interesting
to see where this rules
I'm not I i'm definitely more for the
creator for uh, george
r martin, but i'm also
Not sure
How long this will go see this is going
to be a fine line to
walk because you know here
This is george r r martin who is arguably
one of the most
successful writers of our time
right, but he's still an
individual but as soon as
chat gpt or um
You know open a iron or meta or anybody
starts infringing on disney's copyright.
Well, then it's not okay. So
Where where's the line going to fall?
Like where is the law going to protect?
Is it going to protect individuals?
Individual rights or
not? Is it going to protect?
copyrights for individuals
but you know
For corporations, but
not individuals, right?
Like this this is just not I don't think
any of these companies
are really thinking through
that the real implications here and
Copyright needs to be protected. Um, even
though it definitely is also
in need of desperate reform
It'll be interesting. Yeah
to see how this goes because
All the big companies too also are
heavily invested in ai. So yeah, and my
my they just yeah microsoft and open ai
Are in this lawsuit too
and as you know microsoft
Oh, i'm sorry. I was gonna as you know,
microsoft has invested
quite a bit in open ai as well
And so 25 is what they own of open ai
Uh, they open ai is going to be going
public in two years
for a trillion dollars
um
most likely I mean for uh
What they started out as a non-profit
kind of hilarious
that they're going public
But they're ipo-ing in two
years is what the plan is
For trillion dollars. Hmm. Maybe I should
invest in some stock then dump it like
from fairly early on
No, no leave it to nvidia to invest a
trillion dollars and
and leave it in video
to have the mightest touch
as stocks rise 30 after jensen huang
Uh shares a video of himself eating
korean fried chicken. Have you guys ever
had korean fried chicken before?
Yeah, it's really good. You know
Only only kentucky fried chicken
All right, so korean fried chicken is
double battered fried and it's got a
delicious like spicy sauce on it
I really think you should try it out bill
The last time I was in denver. I went to
a restaurant called bonchon
I have one I can literally walk to the
bonchon. They just added one right next
to me. It's really so good, man
Damn, they closed on the bonchon near me
and they put it like
10 miles away from me. No
20 miles away from me. Sorry
The town I live in has
let me count one stoplight
So we don't we don't have
Places to go eat like that
No, damn. I my town has one stoplight and
it's one of the blinky
ones. It doesn't even oh nice
Yeah, damn bill. You should definitely go
get some korean fried chicken and get it
with like a side of rice
It's delicious. You need it. I think it's
I think it's the best fried chicken
In the world right now. I agree
I don't know why anybody would care what
he thinks of fried chicken
Like he's a ceo of a tech company who
gives us shit. I don't understand this
this story is bananas today
Yeah, that's a stock market. Okay, the
stock market doesn't make sense.
Especially right now. Anyways, like it
It's pumping and it's not
supposed to be right now
Um, like a lot like a lot of the stocks
are going up like nvidia hitting five
trillion doesn't make sense
When it is not really producing
A five trillion worth it's crazy. What's
going on and it's it's a
bubble that's gonna pop
so this is just I think a craze of people
over investing over analyzing stock and
they're just like what
we're gonna invest in kfc and
Who knows like it's?
A bunch of tech it could even be a bunch
of stock bros or something like that. So
the place they went to
Kekombu chicken was isn't publicly traded
but other companies adjacent in that same
industry like kyochon fnb
Went up in 20 and also, uh
cherry bro co a poultry processor
Went up 30
Dude
I think I said it last time
I mentioned it offhand
Earlier, but I think this is proof that
we live in a post capitalist society
like
The fact that like these people that are
in charge of the economy like the people
who are doing the investment
the people who have the most
money
Are so bored
That they're that they're investing their
money into whatever
jensen huang had for lunch
it like it just
boggles my mind that there's no
regulation that there's no
Uh way to combat this like there's no
mechanisms at least
in the united states to
to like
combat this level of like insane gambling
going on at the highest levels of
The economic process in the u.s. It
doesn't make any sense to me
So this
So there are a bunch of these pictures
but like the you know,
this it looks pretty good
But like I don't know if I don't know
who's that. Who's that in the picture?
That's jensen. Let's
just what no, it's not
He wears a jacket
Yeah, i've only i've almost only ever
seen him in a jacket so
that's kind of funny. Yeah
Look at all these guys just enjoying
their meal here here
Some sort of one of them is a samsung
exec and the other one's a hianai exec
just enjoying a few pints
I cracked open a few
cold ones with the boys
Dude look at those dead eyes he's been
A couple a couple pints in
But yeah, I mean
Jesus christ man
This I just this feels like we live in
like i'm looking at the world and up
through a fun house mirror
Like I just don't I don't
I cannot comprehend this
I don't know
I don't know why this is even a story to
be honest. I added it because it was
hilarious, but I don't
know why this is even
A tech story and it's not just reported
by tom's hardware. It's reported by a
bunch of like news outlets cnn
bloomberg yahoo finance
fortune
uh
Chosun biz the new york times it's being
reported. I fucking everyone and why
biggest ceo in the world
Don't say that in front of the long mask
I mean, I I honestly think like all of
this like this is like
When this bubble bursts, it should be
remembered as the the huang bubble
like this is and I think he like
You know, he rode the
wave of cryptocurrency
But he also inflamed it right and
Because it was selling
so many gpu's
right
And he's doing the
exact same thing with openai
And I think he has realized that he has
this kind of like ability to capture the
attention of the media and the bit
The financial sector and he is
exploiting it for his own gain
Like that's what it seems to me
Maybe maybe i'm paranoid. I don't know.
It seems crazy. Well, you know, at least
he's not as much of a
nut job as elon musk is
Yet. Well, I mean
When this bubble bursts it's going to
harm a lot of people
So yeah, that is true
What they're doing is very dangerous in a
lot of ways and they they're the ones
that essentially created openai
People don't realize this but if it
wasn't for nvidia funding essentially
openai and then kind of getting them
addicted to the gpu's
that is and
Continuously feeding capital into openai
so that that openai can
then buy more nvidia gpu's
It is like artificial. Yeah, the whole
thing's very weirdly artificial
I can't wait for gps to become affordable
again after the ai bubble pops
The flip side of that high tech is like
you know
20
rtx 20 series are still
extremely capable gpu's
And so are 30 series, right? It's like we
don't need the annual
Refresh of gpu's most game companies
can't even afford to
develop games that fully take
Advantage of the kind of
hardware that exists right now
It's like I don't
Everything about it feels completely
artificial to me and
like when nvidia starts like
Uh deprecating support for the 20 series
cards and their uh in their gp in their
drivers. We're just going to end up
With e-waste that is fully capable of
playing modern games
I don't know everything about this feels
like so like such a bullshit to me
Yeah, I agree. Um, I mean i'm not sure
what more to talk to say about this topic
at hand except for you know
Bill if you have the opportunity to you
should find a korean chicken place
You won't regret it. I'll do my best
Hopefully it won't cost
30 for a bucket of chicken
But in the meantime though
I hope the steam controller is only 30
bucks as well. So so
We found some new news about the uh
controller codename
triton. We found an icon
The icon looks like named
Ivex at one point
Yeah, but now it's codename triton. So it
must be a new revision of it or something. I don't know
This is the one that looks like uh, this
is the this is the icon they found
It looks a bit different from the
renders. We've seen that because as you
can see, there's no d-pad
There's no second stick
But I mean it's just an icon, right?
Yeah
You know, I discussed with the fox on the
twitter and he was talking about how this
looks a bit different
I was like, I think we've had controllers
with analog sticks for longer than we've
had controllers without
analog sticks at this point
But
Am I wrong at least counting
from the nes or maybe the atari
But we've had controllers for a long time
Yeah, we've had them
for a long time. But like
If it's not longer than at least as long
as we've had like yeah, so I think
Yeah, so I mean eventually at some point
it was going to be to
the point where we've had
Analog sticks as our main like movement
options longer than we've had d-pads our
Main movement options
But I mean
No real news aside from you know a new
coat a new mention of a controller triton
We still don't know anything about this
Honestly, the only reason why I want the
steam machines to come back is so that we
can get one of these bad boys
There's no back paddles
on that on this animation
Yeah, they uh, well, I I don't know man
I mean, I know that's just made by
somebody in a blender or some nonsense.
I'm sure it's something that I noticed
I think sadly it's badly mentioned
something. I I didn't put it in the i've
been put in the dock
because I was uh at work
but
I swear if you mentioned something about
the controller as well. I just need to
Find it at some point
Ah, here it is steam controller two will
have an extra wacky
functionality in its controller handles
It will remind some people of the valve
knuckles, but not go as
extreme as that. Um, oh cool
You have the knuckles. What what do you
think you could be talking
about because I don't well
so in the in the knuckles controllers
it straps to your hand and then you can
fully open your hand and
Uh, if you have like hands in the vr and
they work with the controllers
It will actually display your hands being
open or individual fingers being
That also so individual
fingers is not like a grip button
Right. Yeah. Yeah, so it's it's finger
tracking like I could I can do gestures
like this. I can go like that
I can make this same sign with the in in
vr. I can do that.
Oh, that's sick as fuck
Yeah, but why would you do that on a
traditional controller?
Well, we we don't know
For certain why we
just know that it exists
It's up. It's up to the pioneers to
figure out what that could be used for
That is true. High tech also
This controller is going to be paired
with my understanding is this controller
will be paired with the
steamframe
vr headset so
um
Like instead of having two individual
knuckles controllers
It's going to be like you're playing
steam games on a virtual screen and you
can do at least something like that. I
Well, that's my that's the roi controller
is the one that has that's going to go
with the vr headset. Oh is it? Oh, yeah
Yeah, you're right. You're right. Yeah,
they have these roi controllers here
But maybe it's to make it compatible with
it still make it compatible. Yeah
Yeah, I mean, I don't know
I mean, it's just another thing that you
can use steam input for you can then you
can put sprint in there or something
Like that. Yeah, you could use it for
feel it. You could use it for hot deals
potentially. Yeah. Yeah, that's true
I do I would want to feel the buttons
too. I don't know.
That's pretty good haptics
They might just put haptics
in the like grip uh thingy
Whether it's a button or like a pressure
sensitive thing. I don't know what I
don't know what it would be to be honest
Whatever gimmick that they do with it
What I hope is that it's optional
And has all of the things
that a regular controller has
So that you can use it
for 99 percent of games
But also have access to the trackpads and
whatever weirdness that sadly it's
bradley's talking about
Um, that would be awesome. I mean
It looks like it looks like that's going
to be the case. I mean this
model was apparently leaked
So at the very least they've certainly
thought about or are thinking
of making something like that
I mean get your d-pad your analog sticks
your face buttons start select
Uh
The bumpers and triggers
like you even got trackpads here
Oh speaking of which I never realized
this until very recently but
None of the current consoles call their
start and select buttons start and select
Yeah, it's menu in view
Yeah xbox has a menu in view playstation
calls it option and uh share share
And then nintendo calls it plus and minus
but no start and select
Which is very odd to me
I mean I still call it start and select
Yeah
And I think people know what
i'm talking. All right, but okay
Here's the thing though
Calling it menu and view is very
confusing because I
don't know which one's which
Menu is menus on the right
Yeah
View is on the left
Yeah, okay
That makes a little more sense now
But I still think the names are bad
Yes
Sure. Yeah, that makes it but it's better
than like a you know, a
touchscreen input where it's like
left button top right
I don't know. I don't fucking know man
Sony this whack because the share button
is a dedicated share button
And if you and options is
typically like the start function
And if you want to do anything select you
gotta click the trackpads in on the like
dual sense or dual shock 4 whatever
To do things like that
like the select button
And it just feels wrong
Yeah
These share button is really weird. I
keep I miss press it
all the time in games
But I think we're definitely past the
start select start select
doesn't make sense any either
as
Uh navigating operating systems, uh
console operating systems
got a lot more complicated
The thing is too is like select has never
made sense as the name for that button
either because like
aside from a few games
on the nes like
It never did selected anything
Yeah on the nes you would push it and it
would move to different
Options and then you would press start.
So like if you were
selecting one player you'd hit select
A couple times. So like if
you're doing the contour code
It's up up down down left
right left right b a start
But if you're playing it multiplayer
You hit select start so that you can
select two player like that's where it
came from originally
But then people wanted an extra button
So they would say you would use the
select button as the extra
button in the game to do things
But I don't think it
matters what you call them
I'm just i'm probably just still gonna
call them starting select till the end of
time to be honest, but
No one's gonna
understand what you're saying
Yeah, maybe if you're like a zoom maybe
you have like a zoomer you might not
understand what i'm saying
Gen alpha more like
gen alpha too. Damn damn
But you know all this
talk of fried chicken
and
You know what gen you know what gen alpha
is addicted to though
according to sata nadella
tiktok
Microsoft uh phil
spencer and also sata nadella
Has claimed that gaming's true enemy
Is not playstation or
nintendo. It's tiktok
So if you really think about it though
All of these
Are x-boxes, right?
But they're also all tiktok machines
except for this bento
and cat box, of course
Look I didn't read his plan. I don't know
anything about his
plan, but he is correct that
short-form video
Is a real competitor to video games and
movies and tv shows and all of that stuff
He I get what he's saying
But at the same time though you can argue
that about anything you can argue that
about going outside too
And go go no, but it is bill
is I think 100 correct here
But we're not having an
epidemic of kids going outside
They are 100 stuck on
tiktok scrolling all day
And if you're doing that you're not
playing games, maybe we should have an
epic bag of kids going outside
We should we already have established
that like there's a lot
of dark patterns on tiktok
But it is I guess good to have maybe
another ally to say hey
You know, we'd probably still rather have
them playing a video game than uh, just
scrolling tiktok all day
So it makes it makes me want to he just
wants to be able to monetize
them. That's very different
I know I agree. I agree, but
At least there's some in fighting behind
some of the big giants
That's all I care about in the sense of
getting rid of these dark patterns
But I
I think it's less
He wants to get rid of them and more so
he wants to use them to so that people
can play xbox instead of tiktoking
because I mean
And also here's the thing too
No one's mentioning this because they
don't want to be like oh tiktok's it's
damaging our short-term memory
but like our short-term
attention span, but like
I can see kids getting very bored of like
long like they're making games that are
longer and longer, right?
But you know gta 5
existed before tiktok, right?
GTA 6 it will be the first gta new
release to come out after tick the tiktok
generation, you know
Existed and was
thoroughly corrupt by tiktok
And gta no doubt is
going to be a long ass game
And kids are a pretty strong demographic
when it comes to these not i'm sure a lot
of adults are gonna buy gta 6
But the kid but it's usually the kids
that are on gta 5 or were
on gta 5 when they were kids
Do you think they even
have the mental like?
Span the play a game as
long as gta 6 for a long time
Well, are they gonna have a touch screen
controller for gta 5 or 6?
Because I mean kids kids nowadays don't
even play xbox or
playstation unless their dads
Let them do it, you know
Like it's gently
gta on a touch screen
Well, I mean that's just you get used to
the controls you're you get used to
Gen z doesn't play games from under
saying quite as much as uh, millenials
gen alpha still to be determined
um, I know my kids play with controllers
they play different types of games they
So far but they're still pretty young. I
will have to see once they get into like
more story driven stuff how
They're affected by this but
All I know is I don't play long games
because I don't have
the attention span for it
And I don't use tick tock so
Or youtube shorts like I I don't use
short short form video.
I just don't have time
Yeah, so when I when
When when he's talking about we're
looking to compete for their time
Not the money
He's right
Yeah, it makes a lot more sense
When it's put like that because I mean on
the onset it sounds
completely ridiculous, right?
But when you really look into a little
deeper, it actually
makes a little bit of sense
but I
Don't yeah, because I mean microsoft
still wins at the end
of the day if you play
Halo on your playstation 5 right? They
still make some money and yeah, that's
obviously been the goal the whole time
Like people are worried about xbox dying
xbox dying
xbox
Microsoft still makes money though. So it
doesn't really so route to them. It
doesn't really matter if xbox
as a
First party console dies
Because microsoft will still make money.
They still have a lot of
ip's and a lot of studios
It's just a matter of getting
Those games straight because honestly
that's they haven't
been on the best hot streak
for some for some of the games
I thought halo infinite was
fine. But you know, it was just
Maybe I was just really I don't know.
Maybe I just wasn't into halo infinite
Halos are definitely
Down-trending. I think xbox is a console
and hardware maker is down
trending. But them as a publisher
That's where they're setting themselves
up is for like game pass
subscriptions publisher
They want to be one of the biggest and
best game publishers
Um make the best that's what
the you know what i've heard
uh
in the world and
They're definitely they're starting to
trend towards that
but we still have to see
some major games
From some other ip come out and we have
not seen that yet. Yeah, and also
This wasn't the first time someone in the
games industry
mentioned tiktok being the enemy
shon laden mentioned tiktok as well back
when he was still with playstation
See
and he mentioned
I think oh wow according to this there
will be a comment when we all declare the
war is over the future video games
What's this article
about? Let's see tiktok
See an audience leaving for tiktok
We're not growing the next generation.
We're losing the next
generation of tiktok he says
So maybe there's maybe there's something
to be said about you know, phil spencer
and satella nandella
Talking about losing the
next generation of tiktok
I mean because I mean the reason the only
reason why we like games so much is
because we've probably been
Inductuated when we were
younger into video games, right?
We were indoctrinated we liked it if they
like tiktok and they don't really like
video games and those are customers
They're not getting their their
customers. They're not getting so I can
see why they're so concerned
with tiktok in youtube shorts
Oh also on the topic of
tiktok in youtube shorts, I think
Most of the content kind of sucks to be
honest. They don't really
have high quality content on
Well, i'm not saying they don't but like
a lot of it is not that
a lot of it is just it's not meant to be
it's not yeah, I guess
it's not meant to be but
It's just so vapid
Like it's it's hard to make quality
content when you only have 30 seconds to
a minute to make your point
No, well, I think you know what I mean.
Yeah, I get what you're saying. Yeah
I will say if you're looking for
somebody, you know, the the one person
that I watch for
youtube shorts is tom cardi
Uh, he makes
Like, um joke songs and he's hilarious
So make sure you check out his stuff
He's the one that did the dnd one where
perception check if you haven't seen the
perception check song
You got to watch it.
It's great. It's good
All right
but on the topic of competition
Nintendo has some serious
competition with pow world
The japanese patent off
office rejects a nintendo patent
Of nintendo patent
that would more or less
I forget the patent number revolves
around capturing creatures
by throwing an object at it
You know, you know
throwing a pokeball, right?
And that patent was
rejected and uh, of course
That doesn't mean the case is over but
that means that that pocket pair now has
a stronger case against nintendo
They might be able to defend themselves
and keep power world alive
All right. We've talked about this a
number of times. We're
following it because you know
Video game patents are steven
But also it's kind of an
important case to see here, right?
Yeah, yeah
This is a this is a nice little update
that I saw during the week that oh, hey
It looks like nintendo's maybe not going
to win everything that they
want to win and this is I think
at least a good step in some of
What nintendo's trying
to do with their patents?
I I was shocked that that
this was the japanese case too
Yes, no because like I thought I figured
oh they'll win in japan
But uh, you know in europe and in the
states, they might
not win quite as easily
And no, it looks like they said no, this
was uh, what did they say? They said
their patent wasn't it lacks innovation
It lacks innovation. It lacks innovation
which I was like hell. Yes,
they also they also mentioned
Uh some other games too the examples of
prior arts before nintendo
patented this for example, uh,
They mentioned monster
hunter four as one example
They mentioned arc survival evolved and
they also mentioned pocket pairs other
game that they released called craftopia
Have you guys ever heard of this one?
No, no, it's kind of
like breath of the wild
But like with some poking look like
crafting elements and like pokemon
Elements they kind of look it kind of
vaguely resembles power will to be honest
Which is kind of crazy to me except, you
know without the
various different pal pokemans
Oh, look you can convey
about cows into the soup
I I have a serious question about this
patent. Yes. Why why
wouldn't the patent office also?
Uh mention pokemon as prior art
Um
I think it's in the third person sort of
view. So like you're actually like
Because like most pokemon games you just
like the pokemon you kind of just throw
it right whereas like
You don't aim you don't ever like
physically aim the pokeball
I think that's why is that what they were
trying to patent. Yeah
Oh my god. Well, you do that with pokemon
go and that like that
existed before they did this
Like I don't know dude. It seems so
crazy. It didn't exist before the patent
I think pokemon go's implementation is a
little different from what uh
What they were presenting because they
were presenting like, you know, you're
you're in third person
You're aiming with your
right stick and you're like, yeah
So like that's a little different from
pokemon go where you like
You like kind of rotate the pokeball a
little bit and then throw it in curve
I don't think that the patent was that
specific. I felt like it was just like if you capture a creature by throwing a
In-game object at the creature
And then and that existed before the
patented but they
patented it after pal world
came out so they were like
They they here's my what I think happened
is is nintendo looked at pal world
They said those are our creature designs
And then they had some lawyers look at it
and the lawyers said
they're different enough
That we couldn't win we couldn't guarantee a win
So then nintendo was like well find
something else that we can do
And so then they they said why don't you
guys make a patent for throwing a ball at
an enemy in a field?
And we'll sue them for for that if the
patent gets awarded which it was
Which is stupid. Yeah, lots of patent.
Yeah, lots of patents were
awarded but this does I mean
The fact that this one was ejected. This
isn't a family of patents
too. This isn't just right
And now an isolated one. It's a family of
patents regarding capturing mechanics and
throwing balls at creatures
so this
I mean i'm not i'm not saying this might
be the silver bullet that pocket pair
needs to win the case
But it's definitely something
It's at least a positive direction where
it didn't feel like it
was going to go that route
Now what i'd really
like to see is microsoft
Because they own blizzard
blizzard had um
In world of warcraft
you could play pokemon
And it wasn't pokemon like because they
had their own creatures,
but like literally you would
Throw a box at a creature and catch it
and then use it to battle
other teams of creatures
it was literally pokemon and
like
Nintendo going after pocket pair because
their pocket pair. They're not going to
go after microsoft. Of course there's
Too much money like they they can throw
so much money at the and at the lawsuit
I I don't know man. I think i'd like to
see how this case goes on because it is
it is pretty important, too
I because yeah, I mean it's pretty clear
that they're trying
to go after pocket pair
Because you know, they have
they vaguely resemble pokemon
And yeah, but of course, you know
There they look more like parodies of
pokemon, which is why they probably
couldn't like go directly after them
Like they're not going after digimon
digimon has been runs for
almost as long as pokemon has
And even like the games like digimon, uh,
I got the new digimon
game it's pretty good
And it's a very it's very similar like
it's turn based. Yeah your various
digimon. Yeah, the abilities
You don't capture them on ball though.
No, you you fight a couple of the digimon
Then you then you convert their data into
like a digimon you can actually use
I don't know man. There's a lot our world
is very similar to the pokemon games.
Yeah, it's more so i'm not
Overly like when I played the game i'm
like this is they're gonna get sued
Not rightfully so but they're gonna get
sued because nintendo is infamous for
suing. Yeah, but like it's not it's like
a parody almost like
Like it's like it's pokemon with guns
that enough is like parody they're not
right there. Yeah, I mean
the I
In in like a good world with good patent
system, which I don't even know if I
fully think the patent
system is even worth it anymore
software
design like uh, especially like ui
designed ux all that
mechanics
Is doesn't make sense to patent and it's
crazy that you can patent it
So I mean mechanics I can see a
similarity between like game mechanics
and recipes like you
can't copyright a recipe
You shouldn't be able
to patent a game mechanic
Yeah, you should not be
able to yeah, and I agree
Yeah, and like even if someone tries to
make an approximation of
your like game mechanic
They're not going to do it
perfectly because you know
That's just kind of how they're gonna
like will change things
The whole point is it's not a copyright a
patent so that they can
Um that they invested
that they spent a lot of time
Working through to build that mechanic,
which is not usually not true like
mechanic like patents
you go back to spending
Tons of money on rnd and
trying to recoup it back
That's where patents come from that is
not how it works in the
software world. Typically
It does not take a whole
lot to replicate something
I mean just imagine if nintendo because
they invented jumping in video games
They had jump man
Yeah, right in the donkey con game
And what if they patented jumping?
pressing a button on a ux interface
And your character jumps and then they
could stop everybody
from making jumping games
Well, you know if the tinder were
smarter, they would have done that but
yeah, they can't they can't go
They can't do it. No, I know but i'm just
showing how stupid this lawsuit is. Yeah,
I mean no, it's very stupid
It's very stupid
And they're also
choosing to do this very um
How old does pat I don't
even think the throwing?
To capture a pokemon mechanic has been
patented that long. No, that's apparently
the whole like family of
patents was submitted in 2023
Yep, so it's very
Shaky on that even now if
they would have done it way back
Like maybe like maybe 10 years ago
But if they had done it when they
invented like throwing a ball to capture
a pokemon that patent
would have expired already
You can renew the patents
well
And most people do a few a few times. You
can't do it indefinitely
no, at least in the state
Yeah, but a lot of patents are renewed
for a very long time.
Our patent system's broken
Well, I mean at the very least if they
were if they did that when pokemon first
came out and they renewed it, you know
Power what couldn't exist the way it does
now they could probably keep they could
probably do the they could probably keep
the creature designs
But they'd have to change like every
other thing
surrounding pokemon pokemon. Yeah
I you turn into like a rts where you
control a bunch of
little pokemon with guns
That'd be kind of fun to play actually
Well, then they'd patent
pickman and then they would sue. Ah
You sound like an antenna lawyer you
should work for nintendo
You've got me doing a
lot of jobs today high tech
nintendo hire this man
You guys you guys have
heard that phrase, right
Nintendo hire this man
no
It's when someone it's when someone makes
like an unreal engine remake of like
mario and they make it
like all super cinematic
We're like a remake of the augurian time
and it looks like a ue 5 game and some
random guy in the comments going
nintendo hire this man
Man it's it's something I
need an unreal mario probably not
As a like a fun like I don't need it from
nintendo themselves as a mod or like a
I mean nintendo doesn't need I don't
think nintendo has ever made
a game in unreal. Have they?
like
in-house nintendo
Probably not they have their own engine
system a lot of their games
wouldn't make sense to use
Yeah, the underlingen
And for nintendo in a world where
nintendo does optimize for
their systems for the most part
uh game freak doesn't but uh
They're game freak. So they're
technically not owned by nintendo
Which is which is a crazy thing to me
Well, yes, we need to start
heading over to the bonuses
All right
Well, thanks for joining us on this
episode of off the console man. It's been
it's been nice seeing you again
I know we don't I know we
don't talk that often but
You're pretty cool, dude
Thanks. Yeah, thanks for joining us it
was great. Thank you. All right. Have a
good one guys. All right, take care