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it's- simplified Chinese is mixed, and
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that's a good- I just
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I thought that was really funny.
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Okay, read it for us.
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I want to know what they're
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saying, if they don't like it.
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Sorry, dude, I'm not that kind of Asian.
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Wait, you're Asian?
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Yes.
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I thought you were animated.
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Dude, same thing.
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I just want to say, I translated this.
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Is it fun?
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That's all this is, is it fun?
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Is it?
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13 hours down vote.
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Is it fun?
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they don't think it's fun.
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What?
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What?
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What?
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We actually got rich.
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Just for me. Just for me.
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I appreciate that, guys.
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So is a warm welcome.
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Always, and it's special just for you.
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So, welcome to Off the Console, the
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hottest new podcast.
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It's all about gaming
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tech news and anything nerdy.
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This week, we're covering the biggest
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news, including the
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Steamframe, which is going to
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be hopefully glasses for our head.
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becoming thousands of dollars now.
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We're going to be
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talking about that sad news.
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about something that we
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thought would never happen.
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It happened before GTA 6.
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It happened before Half Life 3.
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Silk Song came out finally.
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And we got a lot of
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other news for you guys.
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So let's waste it no more time.
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Let's introduce everyone.
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We got Gardener here.
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We got Hi-Tech.
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We got our special guest, Rich.
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Hey, guys.
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Welcome.
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Thank you.
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Thank you for having me.
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Always a pleasure to be on.
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You got to say what channel he's from.
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I'm on- well, I can give it, right?
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I'm on youtube.com slash fand the deck.
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Yeah, covering Steam Deck News and
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whatever tickles my fancy.
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That's good stuff to cover.
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Yeah, exactly.
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I'm there with you on that.
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Rich, since you're the guest, would you
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like to- you've been here before, right?
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been heavy on Silk Song
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podcast last week, I was-
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many people that were playing the
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original Hollow Knight,
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like trying to beat it before
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Silk Song came out.
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Spoiler alert, I didn't.
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The original Hollow Knight, and I feel
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like Silk Song addressed
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Hollow Knight and go
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the two games.
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like in a Souls kind of
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way, kind of like ambiguous,
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soak it in for Silk Song.
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Knight, then you'll soak that in.
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more fluid in this one.
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the way, man.
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I hear that, man.
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I'm making it my priority this coming
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week to play Silk Song.
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I can't believe you, High Tech.
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You have mentioned it more than anyone
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else on this podcast.
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I thought this would be like an all day,
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you would call in sick kind of thing.
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I'm heavily disappointed.
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Hey, man.
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I used my vacation
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days to go to Japan, dude.
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That's true.
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called in sick, right?
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Like it got to, what was it, 560,000
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concurrent users on just Steam, right?
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users and then, of
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course, the other platforms
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that people were playing on.
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I think the only other time I did this
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was like when Skyrim came out.
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I called in sick from school.
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That was pretty awesome.
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called in sick for any game.
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wife call in and say
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I'm dying or something.
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I'm in inpatient care.
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You won't see me falling.
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And then I'll actually just be better.
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I'll be, you know,
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you're looking really healthy.
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Dude, you just got your
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dose of half HL3, dude.
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You report that you have Lambda disease.
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Lambda disease.
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At least it's better than having Ligma.
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Contracted over my trip
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to Aperture Laboratories.
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of stuff from that place.
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But yeah, it seems more dangerous though.
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safety protocols there.
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No.
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Gardner, what have you been up to?
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Man, I have been working.
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I have not had any time to do anything.
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I really want to play Silksong.
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Everything about it looks awesome to me.
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Dunkeys, like video about it.
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It was very funny.
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It was making Emily
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laugh, which that was nice.
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That's awesome.
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But yeah, no, I, oh man,
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what have I been doing?
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I haven't done like anything.
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I've been like optimizing my setup here.
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I don't know if you, Hi-Tech and James, I
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don't know if you saw it, but I dropped a
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like DaVinci Resolve project into our
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like auxiliary notes that we have.
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consistent for us to edit these podcasts,
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which I'm very excited about.
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I've just been working.
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What was the game I was playing earlier?
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Was it Doom the Dark Ages?
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It was from Bethesdasoftworks.club.
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It was an email address at
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Bethesdasoftworks.club.
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$4,000 to talk about Doom
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the Dark Ages on your channel.
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I was like, Ooh, that seems suspicious.
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So I don't know.
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Anyway, it was a malicious email and they
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just wanted to collect
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my, you know, YouTube
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cookies or whatever.
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don't reply to this email.
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That's the best we can do.
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That's like, okay.
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That's when you reply to
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them, like you owe me $4,000.
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I've been talking about Dark Ages.
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Talking shit about Dark Ages.
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Hold up.
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I mean, I have, I'm not
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a huge fan of that game.
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I've said it many times.
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Oh, I do have something cool, actually.
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I haven't opened it yet because I've been
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too busy, but I'm
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really excited about this.
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What?
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What is that?
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Dude, it's a it's a light
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gun and a light gun console.
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Wait, does it work on?
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It works on PC.
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It works on Mr.
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It works on emulators.
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It's really, really neat.
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What? Oh, shit.
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Yeah. Oh, man.
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I feel like I've seen a couple.
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I don't remember if that's the main one,
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the retro shooter, but like wasn't there
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also one that got canceled?
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Like there were I don't remember if it
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was compatible with
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LCDs or not, but like, I
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feel like I've seen a couple of
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kickstarters for light guns.
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Yeah. Okay.
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I mean, I think I've seen like the sin
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sin den or whatever.
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I think that one's like an
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actual product you can still buy.
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And I think one of them had
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I'm looking up sin den now.
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I think one of them was like, oh, we use
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a high to make it work out.
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I was like, I have no
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idea what that means, but OK.
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Sure. We use a high.
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That's interesting.
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That's a way for me to know.
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Right. I'm a product.
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I'm looking it up now.
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A.I. like a new A.I. powered like and
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brings time crisis to modern TVs.
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Oh, speaking of which,
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speaking of which, speaking of which,
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I invested in a 3D printer.
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Oh, I think I invested in something
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called the Snapmaker U1.
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It's supposed to be a $800.
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Well, MSRP is a thousand dollars, but I
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got in a little early size.
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So it's an $800 like
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tool changer 3D printer.
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That's fun.
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So my hope.
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What are you going to print?
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That's a good question.
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I'm just going to look at my just going
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to look at cool models
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and just print whatever looks cool.
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I have two like high end 3D printers
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and I haven't used them in like a year.
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That would certainly be me.
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I would not like I would buy it and then
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it would just stay there.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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So there is no top that comes with it.
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I had to spend an extra 150.
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So I guess it is closer to
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me spending a thousand, but
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it's pretty cool.
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It looks neat. Oh, yeah.
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It's like a multi multi material printer.
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That's that's cool.
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That's awesome.
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So the tool changer,
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does it have to like?
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Is it possible to like have multiple
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nozzles with different tools?
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And then there's like less or no like
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waste. So they're so
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they're advertising less waste.
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There is still a purge tower in like the
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corner of each print.
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No purge tower.
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That's what I was trying to.
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But that's what.
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But I think that's what the idea is. Yes.
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Do you still have a Legion go high tech?
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You can make the Legion go clamshell that
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Bob Wolf was working on.
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Oh, I do. I do.
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I do still have a Legion go, but.
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I wonder if that can be adapted to work
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on the Legion go gen two,
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which we'll talk about later.
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Yeah, for sure.
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Well, look at that glitch on Kickstarter.
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15 Delimiter, 257 Delimiter.
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Well, that's interesting.
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That's very that's awesome.
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Good stuff, Kickstarter.
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That's how you know the
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platform can be trusted.
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Yeah, stuff like this happens.
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Yeah, but I'm going to be asking you to.
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Well, Rich, do you have a 3D printer?
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I do not. Yeah.
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Like Gardner was saying, his
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just kind of sits in a corner.
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I have a feeling that
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mine was in a corner.
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I talk a big game, but like I just don't
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have enough time for like
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that sort of stuff, which which is why I
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got into the Steam Deck so hard.
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Right. Because like I was like, oh, yeah,
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I don't have time to learn.
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But 3D printing is mostly just waiting
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for some time. Yeah.
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Yeah, you just press print and then like
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it takes like a day to print.
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In my head, it's like you spend so much
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time looking up models,
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maybe like fine tuning the
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model to fit like your use case
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and making sure you
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have the right like gear.
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But you're probably right.
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It's probably just like,
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oh, yeah, just let a print
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and I'll just wait for it to print.
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You can spend a lot
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of time researching it.
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But my recommendation is just spend the
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extra money to get ones
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that are a little bit more efficient
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because like I I I went to the budget
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route, which is fine, but I'm always have
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to clear stuff out and have to.
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Like right now, it's
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sitting there because of the
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the way that it's fed into the machine.
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It broke off in the pipe.
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And so I have to some some would be
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easier to take apart
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and I just haven't taken the time to take
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it because I was printing
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hooks and stuff for like the
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garage to hang up my stuff.
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It was it was actually really nice, but
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it's I love 3D printing
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for like stuff like this, where I don't
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know if you can see.
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Not really, but I have like a stream deck
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and I printed a stand for it
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to hold it at an angle and
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like just lots of. Oh, yeah.
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Here's another one.
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I printed like this little stand for my
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PSP so it can sit here on my desk.
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It's really nice.
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I like I like the color of
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that kind of looks like wood.
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It is wood. Wait, what? It's wood.
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It's a wood PLA.
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It's a wood composite.
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Wow. Yeah, it's it's it's PLA with some
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wood in it and it burns like wood.
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And it will also kill you
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if you breathe it. Dear Lord.
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Yeah. And anyway, you know,
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that's like the thing that I like it for
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is like stands and hooks
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and like custom stuff like that.
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And then other metal composites.
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Yes, there are. They're ferrous, too.
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You can like have fully magnetic ones.
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Yeah. Oh, shit.
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I saw I saw a PLA iron composite
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and like the guy held it and then dropped
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it on a table and it went
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to think like wood. I mean, like metal,
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dude, it was freaking.
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I was like, what the hell?
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Oh, we can't. It's cool.
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That's an example of heavy.
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Yeah, it's like it's able to do that
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because it's partially still a plastic
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with that's the other materials.
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Yeah, you have to have the right nozzle
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for it, though, I think,
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because it'll carry a certain certain
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that makes sense. Yeah.
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I think one of the first things I want to
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print, though, is like
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a whole set for settlers
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of Catan, which is a board.
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For reference, if you don't know what
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sellers of Catan is, the viewers,
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it's a pretty fun board game where you're
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essentially trying to
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take control over
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resources and like lands.
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And you do that not by like attacking
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them directly or anything like that,
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but by controlling the
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resources and making borders.
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And if you're at it and if you're in a
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good advantageous spot,
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you can extort your enemies for more.
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While costing you less
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stuff. Yeah, it's awesome.
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Yeah, it's like
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Carcassonne meets Monopoly.
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I like that. Yeah, I like that, too.
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Yeah, that was pretty good.
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Um, hi, Tech, have we gone over what
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you've done this week?
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I feel like you've almost.
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Yeah, I mean, so song 3D printer working.
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Oh, yeah, I beat Shinobi Art of Vengeance
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before Silksong came out.
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I yeah, I didn't make it.
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How long did that take you?
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So I 100 percent of the
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game in like 10 hours.
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OK, so that's awesome.
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I'm I haven't done the achievements yet,
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which is I think the last three ones
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are beat boss rush mode and then be all
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stages in arcade mode
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and then get an S rank in all the stages
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in arcade mode, too.
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But that'll have to wait.
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Did you play Ragebound,
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the Ninja Gaiden game?
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And how do you compare the two?
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They're very different games.
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I know I know on the surface, they're
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both like 2D action platformers
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featuring ninjas. Right.
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That's really that's
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that's where it stops.
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But that's basically where it stops.
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Yeah.
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You played Ragebound a lot, right?
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Yeah, I played the demo.
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I played the demo for both like more than
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people would normally play the demos,
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but I haven't had time to
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sink into the actual games yet.
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So yeah, I played
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about two hours of Shinobi
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and about 30 minutes of
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the full game of Ragebound.
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And they're you're
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right. They're very different.
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Yeah, though, you know how you
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know how a ninja game is peak
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when like the game begins and like your
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ninja village is on fire.
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Oh, 100 percent.
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The messenger, the
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messenger starts that way, too.
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And that game is pretty sick.
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Yeah, that was a good game.
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I the messenger, I think I'm one of the
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weird people that liked it better
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before it became a Metroidvania.
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I just like like the
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Ninja Gaiden 8 bit game.
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And then I turn into
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a 16 bit Metroidvania.
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I'm like, OK, this is cool, but I like
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the better as the action platformer.
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Yeah, that's fair. That's fair.
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Yeah.
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Well, you want to start without that the
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way I think Ninja Gaiden one
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starts out like that way, too, like
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you're doing like your
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your like village catches on
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fire and like gets invaded.
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The Nintendo one, not the Xbox one.
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I don't know. I'm
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talking about the Xbox one.
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Yeah, I don't remember how the NES one
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starts, to be honest.
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I know it has those cut scenes, but I
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don't remember how it starts.
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I don't know if it's your village, but
554
00:17:26,266 --> 00:17:27,966
the beginning of Silent
555
00:17:28,133 --> 00:17:29,433
Bomber on the PS one
556
00:17:29,433 --> 00:17:31,166
starts with a burning village.
557
00:17:31,366 --> 00:17:34,566
I feel like maybe the main character is
558
00:17:34,566 --> 00:17:36,000
dealing with like PTSD
559
00:17:36,133 --> 00:17:37,566
from burning down a village or something,
560
00:17:37,566 --> 00:17:39,166
but there is a burning village
561
00:17:39,166 --> 00:17:41,833
at the beginning. Oh, is he a ninja?
562
00:17:42,733 --> 00:17:44,966
No, he well, he's not.
563
00:17:45,066 --> 00:17:46,533
He's like a he's like a
564
00:17:46,533 --> 00:17:48,433
cyborg, but he's anime.
565
00:17:49,833 --> 00:17:51,033
I've been a fan of.
566
00:17:52,900 --> 00:17:53,633
We know how it is.
567
00:17:55,833 --> 00:17:57,933
Anyways, so I try, I rushed
568
00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,166
our vengeance trying to like be able to
569
00:18:01,166 --> 00:18:02,466
have time to play Silksong,
570
00:18:02,466 --> 00:18:03,066
and I just ended up not
571
00:18:03,066 --> 00:18:04,799
having time for Silksong anyways.
572
00:18:06,799 --> 00:18:07,466
Funny how that works.
573
00:18:09,033 --> 00:18:11,233
Well, hopefully next week, we'll hear how
574
00:18:11,233 --> 00:18:12,200
good it is from you.
575
00:18:13,466 --> 00:18:14,933
I sure hope so, too, man.
576
00:18:17,066 --> 00:18:18,933
Well, so sorry, are you
577
00:18:18,933 --> 00:18:19,799
guys not going to buy it?
578
00:18:20,366 --> 00:18:21,166
Are you not interested?
579
00:18:22,633 --> 00:18:23,400
So James and Gardner.
580
00:18:23,666 --> 00:18:25,133
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I'm interested.
581
00:18:25,133 --> 00:18:26,900
I just haven't had any time at all.
582
00:18:27,366 --> 00:18:28,666
Got to get it. So.
583
00:18:30,133 --> 00:18:30,833
My wife.
584
00:18:32,500 --> 00:18:36,533
Likes the likes, likes it quite a bit.
585
00:18:37,366 --> 00:18:37,833
Like, yeah.
586
00:18:38,666 --> 00:18:39,966
Um, the first game.
587
00:18:40,266 --> 00:18:41,866
Yeah. And so she's super
588
00:18:41,866 --> 00:18:43,166
excited to get this one.
589
00:18:43,866 --> 00:18:46,233
I'm not as big into the side scrolling
590
00:18:46,233 --> 00:18:48,666
right now, but I definitely want to
591
00:18:49,366 --> 00:18:51,766
get into it. So I'm going to be taking my
592
00:18:51,766 --> 00:18:53,433
time as I have other
593
00:18:54,266 --> 00:18:56,633
games I'm invested in.
594
00:18:57,166 --> 00:19:01,166
But in speaking of, which is I caved.
595
00:19:02,333 --> 00:19:04,866
I haven't shown anyone on the podcast
596
00:19:06,166 --> 00:19:08,833
listening yet that I have a switch to.
597
00:19:09,266 --> 00:19:10,966
I caved partially because
598
00:19:10,966 --> 00:19:13,266
I'm not I'm kind of sick of the
599
00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,933
fight for things phase of life where
600
00:19:18,166 --> 00:19:18,866
I think about the
601
00:19:18,866 --> 00:19:20,433
last generation, even the
602
00:19:20,433 --> 00:19:23,000
I feel like PS4 or PS5
603
00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,066
and the switch and all that.
604
00:19:25,066 --> 00:19:25,866
Like they were always
605
00:19:25,866 --> 00:19:27,766
sold out like the switch one.
606
00:19:27,766 --> 00:19:28,566
I think it took a
607
00:19:28,566 --> 00:19:29,900
year to get it last time.
608
00:19:30,566 --> 00:19:31,866
I got it for my wife.
609
00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,266
But she loves Nintendo games, so like I'm
610
00:19:35,266 --> 00:19:37,466
going to be, you know, doing what?
611
00:19:37,700 --> 00:19:38,400
I'm going to get her
612
00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:39,366
something that she's going to love.
613
00:19:41,633 --> 00:19:43,200
I saw that my local target
614
00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,599
had two, so I had to grab it.
615
00:19:46,599 --> 00:19:47,866
Because I didn't have to fight for it.
616
00:19:47,866 --> 00:19:48,833
I just thought it was like, OK, cool.
617
00:19:48,833 --> 00:19:49,866
I'll buy it and I'll go pick it up.
618
00:19:50,833 --> 00:19:55,033
Yeah. So I did that because I think.
619
00:19:55,700 --> 00:19:58,933
Tariffs and the season coming up is going
620
00:19:58,933 --> 00:20:00,099
to both make it more expensive
621
00:20:00,266 --> 00:20:01,333
and make it harder to get.
622
00:20:01,700 --> 00:20:04,033
So that's totally valid, man.
623
00:20:05,666 --> 00:20:08,466
Yeah. And the donkey, is
624
00:20:08,466 --> 00:20:09,666
it Donkey Kong Bonanza?
625
00:20:10,266 --> 00:20:11,533
Is that the game? Yeah.
626
00:20:11,866 --> 00:20:13,466
That one looks really fun.
627
00:20:13,966 --> 00:20:15,966
And my youngest son
628
00:20:15,966 --> 00:20:17,666
loves platformers right now.
629
00:20:17,666 --> 00:20:19,900
So I'm going to get
630
00:20:19,900 --> 00:20:20,900
that for him for Christmas.
631
00:20:21,366 --> 00:20:23,200
So and then, of course,
632
00:20:24,466 --> 00:20:25,799
life also loves Nintendo games.
633
00:20:25,799 --> 00:20:26,866
So it's like it's kind of win win.
634
00:20:26,866 --> 00:20:27,966
I didn't want to give Nintendo money
635
00:20:27,966 --> 00:20:28,866
right now because, you know,
636
00:20:29,766 --> 00:20:30,933
we've we've talked plenty of
637
00:20:30,933 --> 00:20:32,533
shit on the podcast about it.
638
00:20:33,066 --> 00:20:34,866
But I caved,
639
00:20:35,533 --> 00:20:37,200
unfortunately, for what it's worth.
640
00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:38,666
They're raking it in regardless, right?
641
00:20:39,766 --> 00:20:41,133
Yeah, they're making
642
00:20:41,133 --> 00:20:42,666
tons of money right now.
643
00:20:43,733 --> 00:20:45,933
They Nintendo is apples
644
00:20:45,933 --> 00:20:47,033
making a lot of money off me.
645
00:20:47,700 --> 00:20:48,533
A lot of companies are
646
00:20:48,533 --> 00:20:49,766
making money off me right now.
647
00:20:50,266 --> 00:20:51,633
Yeah, I just cave.
648
00:20:53,766 --> 00:20:55,299
Yeah, so I've been playing the Mario
649
00:20:55,299 --> 00:20:57,599
Kart, the new Mario Kart on it.
650
00:20:57,599 --> 00:20:58,766
I really like it, actually.
651
00:20:59,233 --> 00:21:00,533
I didn't think I was going to like it.
652
00:21:01,933 --> 00:21:05,099
I kind of was over Mario Kart, but the
653
00:21:05,099 --> 00:21:06,233
new world transitions,
654
00:21:06,533 --> 00:21:07,933
I wish it was a little bit smoother.
655
00:21:08,733 --> 00:21:10,400
And like some of the new
656
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:11,433
things that they introduced
657
00:21:11,433 --> 00:21:13,233
made it just fresh enough for me that I
658
00:21:13,233 --> 00:21:15,933
actually quite like it on the switch to.
659
00:21:15,966 --> 00:21:19,066
So I actually a huge fan of the game.
660
00:21:19,299 --> 00:21:22,433
Would you say it's $80 worth it?
661
00:21:23,066 --> 00:21:25,033
Well, considering I got the the bundle,
662
00:21:25,033 --> 00:21:26,900
so it was technically only 50 for me.
663
00:21:26,900 --> 00:21:29,733
I definitely say $50 is worth it.
664
00:21:30,099 --> 00:21:31,700
Fair enough, fair enough.
665
00:21:31,700 --> 00:21:34,533
It would I have bought it not knowing how
666
00:21:34,533 --> 00:21:35,299
I like, because I
667
00:21:35,299 --> 00:21:36,366
hadn't played it before.
668
00:21:36,666 --> 00:21:37,133
I've watched some
669
00:21:37,133 --> 00:21:38,266
people play it, but I didn't.
670
00:21:38,266 --> 00:21:40,033
You know, that is, you know, watching
671
00:21:40,033 --> 00:21:40,733
someone play something
672
00:21:40,733 --> 00:21:41,700
and playing something,
673
00:21:41,700 --> 00:21:43,200
I feel like is different sometimes.
674
00:21:44,233 --> 00:21:45,166
I don't think I would
675
00:21:45,166 --> 00:21:47,266
have spent $70 on this.
676
00:21:47,933 --> 00:21:48,233
Eighty dollars.
677
00:21:50,466 --> 00:21:51,766
I thought this one was 69.
678
00:21:52,066 --> 00:21:52,766
I think some of the
679
00:21:52,766 --> 00:21:54,333
games are 69 by whatever.
680
00:21:54,866 --> 00:21:56,233
The Mario Kart world
681
00:21:56,233 --> 00:21:57,166
is the one that's 80.
682
00:21:57,966 --> 00:21:59,166
Is the one that's 80. OK.
683
00:22:00,266 --> 00:22:04,766
And so would I have spent $80 on it?
684
00:22:04,766 --> 00:22:08,933
No, but, you know, told me the dollars
685
00:22:08,933 --> 00:22:10,366
was totally fine for me.
686
00:22:10,833 --> 00:22:12,366
Now, would I spend it on the Donkey Kong
687
00:22:12,366 --> 00:22:13,766
one or any Nintendo game?
688
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,666
If it's good enough, I'll I'll spend
689
00:22:16,666 --> 00:22:18,566
money on something I think is worth it.
690
00:22:18,666 --> 00:22:20,466
So at the end of the day, that's my take
691
00:22:20,466 --> 00:22:22,466
on the whole pricing thing.
692
00:22:22,866 --> 00:22:25,433
But a lot of games, most
693
00:22:25,433 --> 00:22:27,166
games are not worth that price.
694
00:22:27,166 --> 00:22:28,266
I will usually wait.
695
00:22:28,933 --> 00:22:30,633
So Nintendo just doesn't discount their
696
00:22:30,633 --> 00:22:32,200
stuff very often. So.
697
00:22:33,266 --> 00:22:37,099
It's hard for me to not to dive into that
698
00:22:37,099 --> 00:22:38,633
topic, but I guess I'm dying.
699
00:22:38,766 --> 00:22:41,200
And it's hard to like think about a game
700
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:42,433
that would be worth the $80.
701
00:22:42,599 --> 00:22:44,533
It's not that like it's
702
00:22:44,533 --> 00:22:45,700
not that it's not worth it.
703
00:22:45,733 --> 00:22:47,966
It's just I'm not excited enough about
704
00:22:47,966 --> 00:22:49,466
any game to be like, oh, yeah,
705
00:22:49,833 --> 00:22:51,066
I'm going to spend $80.
706
00:22:51,066 --> 00:22:52,333
Now, I can't think of a game that I've
707
00:22:52,333 --> 00:22:53,466
been that excited about.
708
00:22:53,900 --> 00:22:55,466
And even like Silksong, I
709
00:22:55,466 --> 00:22:56,500
was pretty excited about it.
710
00:22:56,500 --> 00:22:57,666
And then and then it's like 20 bucks.
711
00:22:57,666 --> 00:22:58,766
Right. Like that's insane.
712
00:22:59,466 --> 00:23:01,033
That it was like, you know, people
713
00:23:01,033 --> 00:23:01,833
certainly expected
714
00:23:01,833 --> 00:23:03,299
that game to be 30, $40.
715
00:23:03,666 --> 00:23:05,033
And then they owe us.
716
00:23:05,333 --> 00:23:06,066
I mean, I would have paid
717
00:23:06,066 --> 00:23:08,166
30, 40 bucks for it, probably.
718
00:23:08,833 --> 00:23:10,033
Yeah, I would have paid 40.
719
00:23:10,866 --> 00:23:12,933
I think Indy's going to rake it in this
720
00:23:12,933 --> 00:23:13,900
next few generations.
721
00:23:14,166 --> 00:23:15,366
I think Indy is going to
722
00:23:15,366 --> 00:23:16,533
price their stuff properly.
723
00:23:17,166 --> 00:23:20,233
I think these AAA companies or
724
00:23:21,266 --> 00:23:23,000
GTA six, which we'll get into, it might
725
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,099
be higher than a AAA,
726
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,233
are going to be a little disappointed
727
00:23:26,233 --> 00:23:27,200
with some of their side.
728
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:27,933
I don't think GTA six
729
00:23:27,933 --> 00:23:28,466
can be disappointed,
730
00:23:28,466 --> 00:23:29,633
but a lot of these other ones that are
731
00:23:29,633 --> 00:23:30,566
going to price things high
732
00:23:31,333 --> 00:23:31,933
are going to be a little
733
00:23:31,933 --> 00:23:34,333
disappointed because for me,
734
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,966
if I'm buying a game at $80, I am not
735
00:23:36,966 --> 00:23:37,400
going to be buying
736
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:38,700
another game for a while.
737
00:23:39,500 --> 00:23:40,500
Meaning correct.
738
00:23:41,066 --> 00:23:42,933
If they have two $40 games,
739
00:23:43,866 --> 00:23:44,933
like Nintendo is like, oh, yeah,
740
00:23:44,933 --> 00:23:45,866
we have two amazing
741
00:23:45,866 --> 00:23:46,966
Nintendo games for $4.
742
00:23:47,166 --> 00:23:48,599
I will buy both those.
743
00:23:49,266 --> 00:23:50,799
But once you start raising the price, I
744
00:23:50,799 --> 00:23:52,966
am going to stop buying certain games
745
00:23:53,266 --> 00:23:55,666
and balancing out my my my game budget,
746
00:23:56,133 --> 00:23:57,033
maybe get more indie
747
00:23:57,033 --> 00:23:58,333
games, stuff like that.
748
00:23:58,333 --> 00:24:00,233
That's just that's how I've noticed my
749
00:24:00,233 --> 00:24:02,466
buying trend right now is gone.
750
00:24:02,933 --> 00:24:05,366
I don't buy as many expensive games
751
00:24:05,366 --> 00:24:06,966
unless I'm really excited for it.
752
00:24:07,966 --> 00:24:09,933
Eighty dollar a game, Half Life 3.
753
00:24:10,366 --> 00:24:11,466
I'm just going to say right now, I pay
754
00:24:11,466 --> 00:24:12,766
anything for Half Life 3.
755
00:24:12,766 --> 00:24:14,433
OK, I pay 80 for Half Life 3.
756
00:24:14,433 --> 00:24:16,000
Paid how much for Half Life? Alex?
757
00:24:17,333 --> 00:24:18,700
A thousand dollars for that.
758
00:24:18,900 --> 00:24:19,099
So.
759
00:24:22,866 --> 00:24:23,866
That's the thing, like
760
00:24:23,866 --> 00:24:25,066
if I'm excited enough.
761
00:24:25,066 --> 00:24:26,466
Let me just say worth it.
762
00:24:27,633 --> 00:24:28,733
It really is worth it.
763
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,566
The experience is like none other.
764
00:24:31,866 --> 00:24:34,500
Yeah. Like if you really do like games
765
00:24:34,500 --> 00:24:36,166
and you really want to like
766
00:24:36,566 --> 00:24:38,466
have a different experience than any
767
00:24:38,466 --> 00:24:39,366
other game you've played,
768
00:24:39,900 --> 00:24:40,900
Half Life, Alex, is that game.
769
00:24:42,066 --> 00:24:42,833
It was like it was
770
00:24:42,833 --> 00:24:44,166
like a Disneyland ride.
771
00:24:44,666 --> 00:24:47,666
Like it was like magical.
772
00:24:48,366 --> 00:24:50,233
And it was it really was.
773
00:24:50,666 --> 00:24:52,566
It was like you're a kid
774
00:24:52,566 --> 00:24:53,766
again, writing, you know,
775
00:24:54,799 --> 00:24:55,833
Space Mountain for the first time or
776
00:24:55,833 --> 00:24:56,466
something like that.
777
00:24:56,466 --> 00:24:58,366
And yeah, it was I loved it when you go.
778
00:24:58,366 --> 00:24:59,766
I'm when you when you meet the
779
00:24:59,766 --> 00:25:01,333
Vortigaunt for the first time.
780
00:25:01,766 --> 00:25:03,633
Yeah, dude, that like his
781
00:25:03,633 --> 00:25:05,533
like like bioluminescent
782
00:25:05,599 --> 00:25:06,500
murals on the wall
783
00:25:06,500 --> 00:25:08,466
were like mind blowing.
784
00:25:09,266 --> 00:25:10,766
Yeah. Yeah.
785
00:25:10,766 --> 00:25:12,566
And that's that's like the mechanics
786
00:25:12,566 --> 00:25:15,633
alone are like like really interesting.
787
00:25:15,633 --> 00:25:16,733
But then they also did a
788
00:25:16,733 --> 00:25:18,000
really good job with the writing.
789
00:25:18,433 --> 00:25:19,633
Yes. He's kind of quirky.
790
00:25:20,833 --> 00:25:22,566
Love it. Like not deadpan.
791
00:25:22,566 --> 00:25:23,933
Like a lot of characters are written
792
00:25:23,933 --> 00:25:25,166
nowadays or honestly
793
00:25:25,166 --> 00:25:26,566
anytime in gaming history.
794
00:25:26,799 --> 00:25:26,966
But
795
00:25:29,133 --> 00:25:30,266
speaking of all this
796
00:25:30,266 --> 00:25:31,433
like Half Life stuff,
797
00:25:31,566 --> 00:25:32,333
we're going to get into
798
00:25:32,333 --> 00:25:33,166
something in a little bit.
799
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,766
But before we get into that, make sure to
800
00:25:35,766 --> 00:25:37,833
like and subscribe if you're on YouTube.
801
00:25:39,033 --> 00:25:40,766
And then also if you're not if you're on
802
00:25:40,766 --> 00:25:41,433
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803
00:25:41,433 --> 00:25:42,666
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804
00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:44,700
which we should be on almost all of them,
805
00:25:45,266 --> 00:25:46,833
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806
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If you're not there and you just need to
807
00:25:48,733 --> 00:25:50,299
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808
00:25:50,299 --> 00:25:52,933
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809
00:25:52,933 --> 00:25:54,200
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810
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:56,933
And yeah, we're also on the Fediverse.
811
00:25:57,266 --> 00:25:59,633
So the next gen,
812
00:26:00,866 --> 00:26:03,933
I guess social that's not corrupt as F
813
00:26:03,933 --> 00:26:06,000
like some of the other stuff
814
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,533
we've talked about out there.
815
00:26:08,099 --> 00:26:08,333
Meta.
816
00:26:11,033 --> 00:26:11,400
OK.
817
00:26:12,366 --> 00:26:13,333
You got me all excited
818
00:26:13,333 --> 00:26:14,566
talking about the Half Life stuff.
819
00:26:14,566 --> 00:26:15,166
So let's let's just
820
00:26:15,166 --> 00:26:16,366
jump into the first topic.
821
00:26:16,366 --> 00:26:16,933
The Steamframe.
822
00:26:17,966 --> 00:26:19,033
What's going on with this?
823
00:26:19,033 --> 00:26:21,200
This is the first time
824
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,433
we've seen like a trademark.
825
00:26:23,633 --> 00:26:24,933
Well, it's not the first time, but it's
826
00:26:24,933 --> 00:26:25,733
been a while since we've
827
00:26:25,733 --> 00:26:26,766
seen like a trademark, right?
828
00:26:27,533 --> 00:26:28,133
For some of the hardware.
829
00:26:28,700 --> 00:26:30,466
So yeah.
830
00:26:31,066 --> 00:26:35,666
So the Steamframe, as per the trademark,
831
00:26:36,333 --> 00:26:37,333
there's actually two trademarks.
832
00:26:37,866 --> 00:26:39,200
The first one is computer hardware,
833
00:26:39,566 --> 00:26:40,533
networking hardware,
834
00:26:41,166 --> 00:26:42,299
computer peripherals,
835
00:26:42,299 --> 00:26:44,133
computer hardware and computer software
836
00:26:44,133 --> 00:26:44,866
for reproduction,
837
00:26:45,500 --> 00:26:47,866
processing and streaming of audio,
838
00:26:47,933 --> 00:26:50,066
video, data, text and multimedia content.
839
00:26:51,033 --> 00:26:54,066
And the other one is for game consoles
840
00:26:54,066 --> 00:26:55,366
for recreational game
841
00:26:55,366 --> 00:26:57,333
playing video game consoles
842
00:26:57,466 --> 00:26:58,766
video game accessories and
843
00:26:58,766 --> 00:27:00,633
controllers for video games.
844
00:27:01,733 --> 00:27:05,633
Now, I'm going to admit I didn't.
845
00:27:05,866 --> 00:27:07,366
I kind of forgot that
846
00:27:07,366 --> 00:27:08,566
the decade was a thing.
847
00:27:08,766 --> 00:27:09,833
So I just kind of assumed it was a
848
00:27:09,833 --> 00:27:11,933
console and a steam.
849
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,366
And my theory was that the Steamframe was
850
00:27:15,366 --> 00:27:18,433
going to be like a framework for being a
851
00:27:18,433 --> 00:27:19,766
steam device, so to speak.
852
00:27:21,233 --> 00:27:22,799
And as you know, like.
853
00:27:24,066 --> 00:27:25,566
It would be like a whole ecosystem of
854
00:27:25,566 --> 00:27:27,066
devices, like the whole streaming
855
00:27:27,233 --> 00:27:29,466
audio, video, data, text made me think
856
00:27:29,466 --> 00:27:30,700
that valve was going to bring back the
857
00:27:30,700 --> 00:27:32,966
steam link from like years ago.
858
00:27:34,766 --> 00:27:36,066
And, you know, of course, you know, the
859
00:27:36,066 --> 00:27:37,799
Steamframe console and controller.
860
00:27:38,466 --> 00:27:40,933
But now that sadly, it's Bradley put out
861
00:27:40,933 --> 00:27:42,933
that they changed every mention of
862
00:27:42,933 --> 00:27:44,333
Deckard, the steam frame.
863
00:27:44,966 --> 00:27:47,266
I mean, it's basically
864
00:27:47,266 --> 00:27:48,366
unavoidable at this point.
865
00:27:50,366 --> 00:27:52,666
Yeah, I do.
866
00:27:52,666 --> 00:27:54,900
There's a lot about this to unpack.
867
00:27:55,666 --> 00:27:57,299
I could be wrong about this, but if I
868
00:27:57,299 --> 00:27:59,566
remember correctly, Valve registered
869
00:27:59,566 --> 00:28:04,099
Steam Deck as a trademark like a day or
870
00:28:04,099 --> 00:28:06,333
two before they actually announced it.
871
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:08,799
One day. Yeah, one day.
872
00:28:09,233 --> 00:28:13,733
So so we could be seeing this any time on
873
00:28:13,733 --> 00:28:14,733
the flip side, though.
874
00:28:15,233 --> 00:28:16,733
They registered Neon Prime as a
875
00:28:16,733 --> 00:28:18,233
trademark, something like two years
876
00:28:18,233 --> 00:28:20,833
before they even acknowledge Deadlock and
877
00:28:20,833 --> 00:28:22,733
Deadlock is not named Neon Prime.
878
00:28:22,833 --> 00:28:27,666
So, you know, it could be any day now or
879
00:28:27,666 --> 00:28:28,633
it could be two years from
880
00:28:28,633 --> 00:28:29,700
now by the time we see this.
881
00:28:31,366 --> 00:28:35,733
Yeah, and I'm I'm team console, but
882
00:28:35,733 --> 00:28:38,166
that's just Hopium at this point, right?
883
00:28:38,166 --> 00:28:39,133
Like all the evidence does
884
00:28:39,133 --> 00:28:40,599
not point to that at this point.
885
00:28:40,599 --> 00:28:42,766
And so like the evidence is also in
886
00:28:42,766 --> 00:28:45,266
addition to high tech, what you said,
887
00:28:46,566 --> 00:28:48,233
which is they're renaming
888
00:28:48,233 --> 00:28:51,166
overlays to frames in Steam VR.
889
00:28:51,599 --> 00:28:52,766
That's one piece of evidence.
890
00:28:53,333 --> 00:28:55,799
Another is that the person, a lot of
891
00:28:55,799 --> 00:28:57,500
people that saw these the
892
00:28:57,500 --> 00:28:58,633
Reddit thread for this patent,
893
00:28:58,766 --> 00:29:01,133
saw that a day before the Reddit thread
894
00:29:01,133 --> 00:29:02,599
or two days before the Reddit thread,
895
00:29:02,599 --> 00:29:04,500
there was another Reddit thread where
896
00:29:04,500 --> 00:29:06,599
someone asked, is Steam frame a good name
897
00:29:06,599 --> 00:29:07,633
for something, something?
898
00:29:08,066 --> 00:29:08,833
And everybody was like,
899
00:29:08,833 --> 00:29:09,966
what are you talking about?
900
00:29:09,966 --> 00:29:11,066
Like, what? Like, why
901
00:29:11,066 --> 00:29:12,033
would you make this thread?
902
00:29:12,599 --> 00:29:14,566
And then so clearly this person must have
903
00:29:14,566 --> 00:29:16,700
had some some sort of inside information.
904
00:29:17,233 --> 00:29:19,000
And if you look back at his history, he
905
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,166
mentioned something about like
906
00:29:21,033 --> 00:29:22,200
VR and split
907
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,833
rendering and stuff like that.
908
00:29:23,833 --> 00:29:25,633
And I'm still not really sure like how
909
00:29:25,633 --> 00:29:26,666
the split rendering
910
00:29:26,666 --> 00:29:28,366
like would play out here.
911
00:29:29,033 --> 00:29:31,133
Like, I don't really understand what the
912
00:29:31,133 --> 00:29:34,233
tech there is to to like render with a
913
00:29:34,233 --> 00:29:36,166
desktop GPU or whatever.
914
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,433
Yeah, I see you guys turning your gears.
915
00:29:40,433 --> 00:29:42,566
Do you know? So I have some thoughts.
916
00:29:43,066 --> 00:29:45,666
I have. Yeah, I've read that Deckard is
917
00:29:45,666 --> 00:29:47,566
supposed to be a standalone headset
918
00:29:48,066 --> 00:29:49,366
that's capable of
919
00:29:49,366 --> 00:29:52,400
connecting to a PC as well.
920
00:29:52,966 --> 00:29:56,033
Yes, the name Steam frame
921
00:29:57,066 --> 00:30:00,266
evokes to me like a mainframe. Right.
922
00:30:00,666 --> 00:30:02,666
Like same, which if anyone doesn't know
923
00:30:02,666 --> 00:30:03,599
what a mainframe is, it's
924
00:30:03,599 --> 00:30:05,233
like you had dumb terminals
925
00:30:05,466 --> 00:30:07,033
that would connect that they were
926
00:30:07,033 --> 00:30:08,133
basically just like a
927
00:30:08,133 --> 00:30:09,066
monitor and keyboard.
928
00:30:09,533 --> 00:30:11,533
And then it would connect back to like a
929
00:30:11,533 --> 00:30:13,466
server and the server would provide
930
00:30:13,533 --> 00:30:15,299
everything that you're seeing on on your
931
00:30:15,299 --> 00:30:17,133
dumb terminal. Right. Right.
932
00:30:17,366 --> 00:30:21,966
And so that to me, this could be both
933
00:30:21,966 --> 00:30:25,433
Deckard and Fremont. Right.
934
00:30:26,133 --> 00:30:27,366
Right. Like it could be
935
00:30:27,366 --> 00:30:28,766
a package deal. Right.
936
00:30:28,766 --> 00:30:29,266
Because it's talking
937
00:30:29,266 --> 00:30:30,900
about streaming, right?
938
00:30:30,900 --> 00:30:31,933
You're streaming content
939
00:30:31,933 --> 00:30:34,133
over the network and whatever.
940
00:30:34,966 --> 00:30:38,033
This could be like a whole ecosystem of
941
00:30:38,033 --> 00:30:39,799
like the steam frame headset
942
00:30:40,933 --> 00:30:44,566
and, you know, a set top unit or a
943
00:30:44,566 --> 00:30:46,400
console, whatever and controllers.
944
00:30:46,566 --> 00:30:48,833
Right. Which I would be here for.
945
00:30:49,133 --> 00:30:51,099
And that is definitely, you know, hoping
946
00:30:51,099 --> 00:30:53,533
in times too rich. Right. Right.
947
00:30:53,533 --> 00:30:54,466
But that would be neat if
948
00:30:54,466 --> 00:30:56,000
that's what it was. Yeah.
949
00:30:56,233 --> 00:30:58,433
In my video about steam frame, I called
950
00:30:58,433 --> 00:30:59,866
that the Big Bang Theory. Right.
951
00:30:59,866 --> 00:31:02,333
Like there seems to be a chance. Right.
952
00:31:02,966 --> 00:31:04,733
And like I also pointed out that like
953
00:31:04,733 --> 00:31:05,933
Valve is not immune.
954
00:31:06,533 --> 00:31:07,666
Like people think of Valve as like
955
00:31:07,666 --> 00:31:09,466
someone that only
956
00:31:09,466 --> 00:31:11,433
sporadically releases something new.
957
00:31:11,433 --> 00:31:12,833
And they are that. But every once in a
958
00:31:12,833 --> 00:31:13,733
while they go through these
959
00:31:13,733 --> 00:31:15,033
like bouts of heavy activity.
960
00:31:16,166 --> 00:31:17,633
So like Steam Machines, they release
961
00:31:17,633 --> 00:31:18,799
Steam OS, Steam Machine,
962
00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:20,000
Steam Link and Steam Controller
963
00:31:20,166 --> 00:31:21,766
all at the same time, pretty much.
964
00:31:22,466 --> 00:31:24,000
And then there's an orange box where they
965
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,000
release three new games at the same time.
966
00:31:27,366 --> 00:31:29,366
Someone pointed out that Steam and
967
00:31:29,366 --> 00:31:30,333
Half-Life 2 Beta, of
968
00:31:30,333 --> 00:31:32,099
course, were at the same time.
969
00:31:32,833 --> 00:31:34,633
So they have these like times where
970
00:31:34,633 --> 00:31:35,799
they're just like heavy.
971
00:31:36,933 --> 00:31:39,166
It's time to, you know, release stuff.
972
00:31:40,466 --> 00:31:41,566
And so there's a chance.
973
00:31:41,633 --> 00:31:43,933
I do think like I think it
974
00:31:43,933 --> 00:31:45,633
would, you know, who am I?
975
00:31:45,633 --> 00:31:47,099
Right. Like I'm probably wrong when I say
976
00:31:47,099 --> 00:31:47,900
this, but I think it would be
977
00:31:47,900 --> 00:31:49,433
a mistake to release Deckard
978
00:31:49,833 --> 00:31:52,833
with with no steam like
979
00:31:52,833 --> 00:31:55,566
branded console, nothing like you.
980
00:31:55,566 --> 00:31:57,033
Basically, you're encouraging people to
981
00:31:57,033 --> 00:31:58,466
use their Windows desktop
982
00:31:59,133 --> 00:32:00,633
to be the the quote unquote
983
00:32:00,633 --> 00:32:03,033
tether to the Deckard or to the.
984
00:32:03,566 --> 00:32:05,466
I won't call it Steam frame yet because
985
00:32:05,466 --> 00:32:06,166
we still don't know for
986
00:32:06,166 --> 00:32:07,266
sure what Steam frame is.
987
00:32:07,266 --> 00:32:08,566
Like you said, it could be the ecosystem.
988
00:32:08,566 --> 00:32:09,333
It could be the Deckard.
989
00:32:09,333 --> 00:32:10,000
It could be the Fremont.
990
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,633
But I think it would be a mistake to
991
00:32:12,633 --> 00:32:14,166
release the VR headset
992
00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:16,966
without something steam
993
00:32:16,966 --> 00:32:18,400
branded to tether it to.
994
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:19,933
And I use tether loosely because it could
995
00:32:19,933 --> 00:32:21,566
be wireless, likely wireless.
996
00:32:22,099 --> 00:32:24,533
Well, I'll see your big bang there and
997
00:32:24,533 --> 00:32:25,299
I'll raise you a grand
998
00:32:25,299 --> 00:32:26,266
unified field theory.
999
00:32:26,266 --> 00:32:29,333
How's this? So not only is it not only is
1000
00:32:29,333 --> 00:32:31,066
this copium, but you would have like
1001
00:32:31,433 --> 00:32:35,299
the the headset and and the console and a
1002
00:32:35,299 --> 00:32:37,266
controller, but also Half-Life 3.
1003
00:32:38,333 --> 00:32:39,700
And and it can be played in
1004
00:32:39,700 --> 00:32:41,833
VR or on a on a 2D screen.
1005
00:32:42,366 --> 00:32:43,599
That that would be amazing.
1006
00:32:43,599 --> 00:32:46,466
And you know, we've seen we've seen where
1007
00:32:46,466 --> 00:32:47,933
we're super hope you on right now.
1008
00:32:47,933 --> 00:32:50,233
Oh, yeah, we've raised you on more.
1009
00:32:50,433 --> 00:32:52,466
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, one more.
1010
00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:55,066
What do you have? Portal three at the
1011
00:32:55,066 --> 00:32:56,133
same time as Half-Life?
1012
00:32:56,366 --> 00:32:57,166
That would be insane.
1013
00:32:57,933 --> 00:32:59,666
Yeah, they released Portal one and
1014
00:32:59,666 --> 00:33:01,533
Half-Life two, episode
1015
00:33:01,533 --> 00:33:02,666
two at the same time.
1016
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:04,633
The orange box, this is
1017
00:33:04,633 --> 00:33:05,433
going to be the frame box.
1018
00:33:06,166 --> 00:33:07,666
Right here. Yeah.
1019
00:33:07,933 --> 00:33:10,266
Is that it's the orange box?
1020
00:33:11,133 --> 00:33:11,933
The orange box?
1021
00:33:12,299 --> 00:33:13,566
Orange or yeah, more
1022
00:33:13,566 --> 00:33:14,866
orange than the last time.
1023
00:33:16,833 --> 00:33:18,900
We don't have we don't have any hints out
1024
00:33:18,900 --> 00:33:20,133
of Portal three, but that would be nice.
1025
00:33:21,133 --> 00:33:23,766
We don't. Well, who knows
1026
00:33:23,766 --> 00:33:24,633
what they're working on?
1027
00:33:24,966 --> 00:33:27,066
I mean, the idea of the idea of the hint
1028
00:33:27,066 --> 00:33:28,333
of that was Half-Life X.
1029
00:33:29,933 --> 00:33:32,166
Yeah, we have the X could be Portal.
1030
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,000
If I'm I'm mistake, I might be mistaken,
1031
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,333
but there are three games
1032
00:33:36,333 --> 00:33:37,833
that Valve is working on, right?
1033
00:33:38,433 --> 00:33:39,233
Like there's there's
1034
00:33:39,233 --> 00:33:41,033
HLX and there's Deadlock,
1035
00:33:41,033 --> 00:33:42,266
but there's also another
1036
00:33:42,266 --> 00:33:43,666
one that's kind of like
1037
00:33:44,466 --> 00:33:46,633
Lego Minecrafty kind of.
1038
00:33:46,833 --> 00:33:47,833
Am I wrong about that?
1039
00:33:48,233 --> 00:33:48,933
I heard about that
1040
00:33:48,933 --> 00:33:50,266
last year or something.
1041
00:33:50,599 --> 00:33:52,766
I don't know for sure. I do know.
1042
00:33:54,133 --> 00:33:55,266
Sorry, my kids are playing in the
1043
00:33:55,266 --> 00:33:56,133
background, so there
1044
00:33:56,133 --> 00:33:56,733
might be a little noise.
1045
00:33:57,233 --> 00:33:58,933
I do remember that there are a couple
1046
00:33:58,933 --> 00:33:59,633
games in development.
1047
00:33:59,866 --> 00:34:01,533
One thing I haven't watched it yet, but I
1048
00:34:01,533 --> 00:34:02,200
think Tyler McVicker
1049
00:34:02,299 --> 00:34:04,333
just put out a video on like a single
1050
00:34:04,333 --> 00:34:06,133
player Team Fortress thing.
1051
00:34:06,666 --> 00:34:08,466
You guys seen that? Yeah, there is a Team
1052
00:34:08,466 --> 00:34:09,733
Fortress game as well.
1053
00:34:10,633 --> 00:34:12,833
So yeah, that could be a thing.
1054
00:34:13,633 --> 00:34:15,233
They're experimenting with a lot of
1055
00:34:15,233 --> 00:34:17,466
different games in tech right now,
1056
00:34:17,466 --> 00:34:19,900
and they've been working on these
1057
00:34:19,900 --> 00:34:22,166
hardware like the Deckard for years.
1058
00:34:22,466 --> 00:34:25,966
I mean, Gabe said in the interview right
1059
00:34:25,966 --> 00:34:27,333
when they released the Steam Deck that
1060
00:34:27,333 --> 00:34:28,966
they are working on a headset,
1061
00:34:29,433 --> 00:34:31,733
you know, a potential headset that's
1062
00:34:31,733 --> 00:34:33,366
similar to what we've been talking about
1063
00:34:33,366 --> 00:34:35,766
over the years with the Steamframe.
1064
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,599
I'm going to OK, I haven't really given
1065
00:34:38,599 --> 00:34:39,966
what I think this is yet.
1066
00:34:40,366 --> 00:34:42,599
I think when I first heard it was
1067
00:34:44,266 --> 00:34:47,166
the Fremont like the console.
1068
00:34:48,300 --> 00:34:49,199
Then I was kind of
1069
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:50,566
convinced more as I like
1070
00:34:51,333 --> 00:34:54,133
from my chat and from like seeing frame
1071
00:34:54,133 --> 00:34:54,966
like, OK, well, it's
1072
00:34:54,966 --> 00:34:55,866
probably like some type of
1073
00:34:55,866 --> 00:35:01,433
glasses or something like that, but I not
1074
00:35:01,433 --> 00:35:02,033
glasses, but, you
1075
00:35:02,033 --> 00:35:03,833
know, like a VR headset.
1076
00:35:04,166 --> 00:35:05,566
But I feel like it
1077
00:35:05,566 --> 00:35:06,533
would be more than glasses.
1078
00:35:06,766 --> 00:35:09,266
So I'm kind of edging towards
1079
00:35:10,633 --> 00:35:13,066
it being probably
1080
00:35:14,433 --> 00:35:16,833
a system to where you can get the console
1081
00:35:16,833 --> 00:35:20,333
or and or get and get the headset
1082
00:35:20,333 --> 00:35:22,166
and they'll work together. I like that.
1083
00:35:22,166 --> 00:35:23,266
What we what you guys have been talking
1084
00:35:23,266 --> 00:35:24,633
about. I like that synergy.
1085
00:35:25,333 --> 00:35:27,633
I think split
1086
00:35:28,766 --> 00:35:30,133
rendering and doing stuff like that is
1087
00:35:30,133 --> 00:35:31,766
more eGPU kind of oriented.
1088
00:35:32,633 --> 00:35:36,599
And you could potentially with a lot of
1089
00:35:36,599 --> 00:35:38,500
work be able to utilize
1090
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,300
multiple GPUs, even because
1091
00:35:41,300 --> 00:35:43,466
we've done it in the past with
1092
00:35:44,466 --> 00:35:47,166
SLI and stuff, there's there's potential
1093
00:35:47,166 --> 00:35:48,366
that they're hopeful.
1094
00:35:48,933 --> 00:35:50,633
This is me being very hopeful that we're
1095
00:35:50,633 --> 00:35:51,400
actually going to get something
1096
00:35:52,466 --> 00:35:55,166
next gen with all this of actually having
1097
00:35:55,166 --> 00:35:57,466
like a Deckard and then you can plug it
1098
00:35:57,466 --> 00:35:59,599
into your steam frame and get even more
1099
00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:02,466
power to run through
1100
00:36:02,466 --> 00:36:03,533
games like Half-Life,
1101
00:36:03,533 --> 00:36:04,766
Alex and stuff like that. So.
1102
00:36:05,066 --> 00:36:06,333
So the curious thing about the split
1103
00:36:06,333 --> 00:36:07,533
rendering, right, is one
1104
00:36:07,533 --> 00:36:08,433
thing we haven't talked about
1105
00:36:08,533 --> 00:36:09,933
with the Deckard being a standalone
1106
00:36:09,933 --> 00:36:11,699
headset is that it is
1107
00:36:11,699 --> 00:36:13,466
rumored to be powered by an AMD
1108
00:36:13,833 --> 00:36:15,866
excuse me, an ARM APU. Right.
1109
00:36:16,566 --> 00:36:19,066
And so for it to work
1110
00:36:19,066 --> 00:36:21,033
without being tethered.
1111
00:36:21,066 --> 00:36:21,766
And again, I'm using
1112
00:36:21,766 --> 00:36:23,333
tethered loosely wired wirelessly.
1113
00:36:25,166 --> 00:36:26,266
It would it would need
1114
00:36:26,266 --> 00:36:28,933
translation for non-ARM games.
1115
00:36:28,933 --> 00:36:30,466
And there are going to be ARM games,
1116
00:36:30,833 --> 00:36:33,333
presumably, based on what
1117
00:36:33,333 --> 00:36:34,699
we've seen from various leaks.
1118
00:36:35,066 --> 00:36:37,199
There will just be ARM native VR games
1119
00:36:37,199 --> 00:36:39,133
that work with the Deckard.
1120
00:36:39,466 --> 00:36:41,966
But then there are going to be x86 VR
1121
00:36:41,966 --> 00:36:44,633
games that need a translation layer.
1122
00:36:45,333 --> 00:36:48,466
And so that's the part that confuses me
1123
00:36:48,466 --> 00:36:49,266
about split rendering.
1124
00:36:49,266 --> 00:36:51,066
Like, how would we have something that is
1125
00:36:51,066 --> 00:36:53,866
rendering on the Deckard with an ARM APU,
1126
00:36:54,333 --> 00:36:57,066
but sharing the load with an X, not an
1127
00:36:57,066 --> 00:37:00,500
x86, but a GPU either, you know,
1128
00:37:01,333 --> 00:37:01,933
obviously would be
1129
00:37:01,933 --> 00:37:02,966
external to the Deckard.
1130
00:37:03,566 --> 00:37:04,266
But like, you know,
1131
00:37:04,500 --> 00:37:06,099
would it be on a desktop?
1132
00:37:06,099 --> 00:37:07,633
Would it be? And I just don't understand
1133
00:37:07,633 --> 00:37:10,099
how you break that load up.
1134
00:37:10,833 --> 00:37:13,300
Realistically, ARM is the CPU.
1135
00:37:14,166 --> 00:37:15,500
I don't know if they've ever paired
1136
00:37:15,500 --> 00:37:18,900
anything like an ARM and the AMD or
1137
00:37:18,933 --> 00:37:20,566
Nvidia. Nvidia has done this.
1138
00:37:21,033 --> 00:37:22,266
They paired an ARM CPU
1139
00:37:22,266 --> 00:37:24,133
with like an RTX card.
1140
00:37:24,433 --> 00:37:25,633
So it's possible. You
1141
00:37:25,633 --> 00:37:26,833
just get a driver for it.
1142
00:37:27,233 --> 00:37:27,900
Yeah, I mean, you can do
1143
00:37:27,900 --> 00:37:28,866
that with a Raspberry Pi.
1144
00:37:29,233 --> 00:37:31,033
Like, there's yeah, it's it's
1145
00:37:31,033 --> 00:37:32,699
the biggest issue is drivers.
1146
00:37:33,166 --> 00:37:34,666
But yeah, yeah.
1147
00:37:34,666 --> 00:37:35,366
Jeff Gill has got a
1148
00:37:35,366 --> 00:37:36,900
million videos about doing that.
1149
00:37:38,033 --> 00:37:38,833
That's what I was.
1150
00:37:38,833 --> 00:37:40,266
It's going to be the drivers, which is
1151
00:37:40,266 --> 00:37:42,033
it's a big deal because they still can't
1152
00:37:42,033 --> 00:37:43,266
get drivers right sometimes.
1153
00:37:43,699 --> 00:37:44,233
But yeah.
1154
00:37:45,366 --> 00:37:46,333
But if they're shipping a
1155
00:37:46,333 --> 00:37:47,933
product that is ARM based,
1156
00:37:48,099 --> 00:37:48,900
they're going to have
1157
00:37:48,900 --> 00:37:50,566
the drivers built in like.
1158
00:37:51,166 --> 00:37:53,733
Yeah. And you know, you mentioned eGPUs,
1159
00:37:53,733 --> 00:37:54,433
James, and it's like,
1160
00:37:55,300 --> 00:37:56,466
what if it's kind of like
1161
00:37:56,466 --> 00:37:58,300
the the Apple Vision Pro?
1162
00:37:58,666 --> 00:37:59,933
But instead of having a backpack
1163
00:37:59,933 --> 00:38:00,866
tethered, you have a
1164
00:38:00,866 --> 00:38:02,933
GPU and it's like off.
1165
00:38:03,333 --> 00:38:04,699
Like it's not on your head because it's
1166
00:38:04,699 --> 00:38:06,866
heavy and you can like carry that around.
1167
00:38:07,500 --> 00:38:08,933
Pocket it whatever you need to do.
1168
00:38:09,433 --> 00:38:11,166
Maybe not pocket it. But you know, I
1169
00:38:11,166 --> 00:38:13,066
really hope this is the future,
1170
00:38:13,099 --> 00:38:16,533
is the eGPU concept of if I want more
1171
00:38:16,533 --> 00:38:18,266
power like with the Steam Deck 2
1172
00:38:18,766 --> 00:38:20,766
and you have a let's say the
1173
00:38:20,766 --> 00:38:22,533
Steam frame is a is a console,
1174
00:38:23,033 --> 00:38:26,466
I can dock my Steam Deck with my console
1175
00:38:26,466 --> 00:38:29,266
and just utilize the CPU
1176
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:30,366
and the hard drive and
1177
00:38:30,366 --> 00:38:31,266
all that my Steam decks.
1178
00:38:31,266 --> 00:38:32,633
I don't have to keep on transferring
1179
00:38:32,633 --> 00:38:33,433
stuff back and forth
1180
00:38:33,433 --> 00:38:35,333
and just boost my power.
1181
00:38:35,699 --> 00:38:36,666
I love stuff like that.
1182
00:38:37,033 --> 00:38:42,233
So I'm really, really hoping for this
1183
00:38:42,933 --> 00:38:46,166
split rendering and having it be
1184
00:38:47,033 --> 00:38:49,033
because I think it also
1185
00:38:49,033 --> 00:38:50,466
makes it so that you can
1186
00:38:51,566 --> 00:38:52,466
extend the use. You could
1187
00:38:52,466 --> 00:38:54,833
keep on buying maybe new consoles
1188
00:38:54,833 --> 00:38:57,433
that will still keep on rendering
1189
00:38:59,766 --> 00:39:00,800
or keep keep.
1190
00:39:02,966 --> 00:39:05,033
Keep the decker, let's say, alive
1191
00:39:05,766 --> 00:39:07,466
much longer because you keep on upgrading
1192
00:39:07,466 --> 00:39:08,866
the graphics like, you know.
1193
00:39:09,866 --> 00:39:11,933
A GPU usually is with the computer.
1194
00:39:12,266 --> 00:39:14,066
Yeah. Do we think there's going to be a
1195
00:39:14,066 --> 00:39:15,733
console involved with the Steam frame?
1196
00:39:15,733 --> 00:39:17,800
Yes or no? This is simply yes or no.
1197
00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:21,133
Possibly. Yes. Yes.
1198
00:39:21,733 --> 00:39:23,133
Yeah, I'm wrong with these types of
1199
00:39:23,133 --> 00:39:24,133
things all the time.
1200
00:39:24,133 --> 00:39:25,500
Like we say being gardener, we're
1201
00:39:25,500 --> 00:39:27,400
guessing Half-Life 3 earlier this year.
1202
00:39:27,766 --> 00:39:30,533
So it's all good, man.
1203
00:39:31,233 --> 00:39:32,566
I yeah, a lot of hope
1204
00:39:32,566 --> 00:39:34,266
in a lot of hope in here.
1205
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:35,233
Yeah. What matters is
1206
00:39:35,233 --> 00:39:37,233
you stick to your guns.
1207
00:39:39,199 --> 00:39:41,066
Even when proven wrong, you just.
1208
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:42,800
That's the only way to make
1209
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,099
money on the Internet, though.
1210
00:39:44,666 --> 00:39:45,433
Yeah, it's fun.
1211
00:39:45,866 --> 00:39:47,433
Like people need to start getting back
1212
00:39:47,433 --> 00:39:48,866
into fun and less into like
1213
00:39:48,866 --> 00:39:49,266
somebody's
1214
00:39:49,266 --> 00:39:50,433
prediction. This is game stuff.
1215
00:39:50,433 --> 00:39:51,199
Come on, guys. Yeah.
1216
00:39:51,533 --> 00:39:52,333
This is in stock market.
1217
00:39:52,966 --> 00:39:54,033
Yeah, I'm sticking with
1218
00:39:54,033 --> 00:39:56,933
my unified field theory
1219
00:39:58,166 --> 00:39:59,733
where it's going to also include a
1220
00:39:59,733 --> 00:40:01,000
console, a headset, a
1221
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,433
controller and Half-Life 3.
1222
00:40:03,433 --> 00:40:04,366
I actually agree with
1223
00:40:04,366 --> 00:40:05,266
you on that one, Gardener.
1224
00:40:05,666 --> 00:40:07,666
If it doesn't come out this year, I
1225
00:40:07,666 --> 00:40:08,566
really think it's going to be a bundle.
1226
00:40:08,633 --> 00:40:09,933
If it comes out this year, it could be
1227
00:40:09,933 --> 00:40:12,633
potentially just like one or two devices.
1228
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,233
If it's a bundle, you
1229
00:40:15,233 --> 00:40:16,833
think it's going to be $1,100?
1230
00:40:18,599 --> 00:40:23,233
No. No, I mean, if I could see it.
1231
00:40:23,233 --> 00:40:24,599
Yes, I can see it being.
1232
00:40:25,833 --> 00:40:27,766
1,100. Yeah, I think it's
1233
00:40:27,766 --> 00:40:29,133
going to be the same price
1234
00:40:30,033 --> 00:40:32,733
as the Legion go to
1235
00:40:32,733 --> 00:40:34,266
knocked it out of the park.
1236
00:40:34,666 --> 00:40:37,933
I think it's you're going to
1237
00:40:37,933 --> 00:40:40,366
get a better deal with the valve
1238
00:40:40,733 --> 00:40:42,933
or the the steam frame than
1239
00:40:42,933 --> 00:40:45,633
with the Legion go to guys.
1240
00:40:46,900 --> 00:40:48,966
I mean, this is the this is the device I
1241
00:40:48,966 --> 00:40:50,733
was really excited for
1242
00:40:51,633 --> 00:40:53,233
to replace everything because I was going
1243
00:40:53,233 --> 00:40:54,066
to use it with an GPU
1244
00:40:54,066 --> 00:40:56,766
and just use it on the I don't know if
1245
00:40:56,766 --> 00:40:58,099
it's going to happen now.
1246
00:40:59,266 --> 00:41:02,699
Yeah, I was pretty excited for this, too.
1247
00:41:02,733 --> 00:41:04,400
And this like was
1248
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:05,599
like a punch in the gut.
1249
00:41:06,333 --> 00:41:10,766
I like the thing about the Legion go one
1250
00:41:11,533 --> 00:41:14,866
is that in a sea, I know it was only
1251
00:41:14,866 --> 00:41:17,066
pretty much immediately after ROG ally.
1252
00:41:17,066 --> 00:41:19,233
So it was pretty much just steam deck ROG
1253
00:41:19,233 --> 00:41:20,400
ally and then Legion go.
1254
00:41:21,199 --> 00:41:22,766
But still, we had the I and Neos.
1255
00:41:22,766 --> 00:41:23,966
We knew the like one X
1256
00:41:23,966 --> 00:41:25,033
players that were coming.
1257
00:41:25,466 --> 00:41:29,233
And so in a sea of new PC handhelds, the
1258
00:41:29,233 --> 00:41:30,733
Legion go was like unique
1259
00:41:31,633 --> 00:41:33,033
and Legion go to is
1260
00:41:33,033 --> 00:41:34,633
unique amongst other handhelds,
1261
00:41:34,633 --> 00:41:36,199
but now it's just iterative. Right.
1262
00:41:36,433 --> 00:41:39,133
And so like to have just an iteration
1263
00:41:40,466 --> 00:41:43,133
and have it come in at 1049,
1264
00:41:43,133 --> 00:41:45,199
it just I don't blame Lenovo.
1265
00:41:45,466 --> 00:41:47,333
There's, you know, TSMC,
1266
00:41:47,566 --> 00:41:48,733
the the way for manufacturer
1267
00:41:48,866 --> 00:41:52,066
that is raising their prices per unit.
1268
00:41:52,633 --> 00:41:53,400
There's the tariffs
1269
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:54,599
that we've talked about.
1270
00:41:55,166 --> 00:41:56,699
So it's it's not that I
1271
00:41:56,699 --> 00:41:57,900
blame Lenovo specifically,
1272
00:41:59,066 --> 00:42:02,866
but I feel like as a as a whole, we've
1273
00:42:02,866 --> 00:42:04,733
sort of lost a plot in this.
1274
00:42:05,333 --> 00:42:08,166
Yeah, honestly, honestly,
1275
00:42:08,166 --> 00:42:09,400
if you want to get the Z2
1276
00:42:10,166 --> 00:42:13,166
like process at all, almost makes the ROG
1277
00:42:13,166 --> 00:42:15,533
Xbox ally X look a good deal.
1278
00:42:15,533 --> 00:42:17,400
I'd like $900 almost.
1279
00:42:17,866 --> 00:42:21,099
And to be clear, that hasn't been
1280
00:42:21,099 --> 00:42:22,133
confirmed yet, right?
1281
00:42:22,466 --> 00:42:23,300
That's just based on
1282
00:42:23,300 --> 00:42:24,533
that was just a leak.
1283
00:42:24,866 --> 00:42:26,900
Yes, a reliable one.
1284
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,466
But I think Xbox raising
1285
00:42:30,466 --> 00:42:32,833
their prices on the Xbox series
1286
00:42:33,666 --> 00:42:34,733
indicates that they're going to be
1287
00:42:34,733 --> 00:42:35,933
charging higher than they're
1288
00:42:35,933 --> 00:42:36,866
not going to make it affordable
1289
00:42:37,633 --> 00:42:38,400
in the sense of like
1290
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:39,666
what consoles typically are.
1291
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:41,566
Constance usually come out at either as a
1292
00:42:41,566 --> 00:42:43,599
loss leader or at almost a base.
1293
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,366
And then they make up the money on games.
1294
00:42:46,833 --> 00:42:48,933
I just don't I don't know if Xbox is
1295
00:42:48,933 --> 00:42:50,000
doing that as much anymore.
1296
00:42:51,199 --> 00:42:51,833
Same with PlayStation.
1297
00:42:53,566 --> 00:42:55,699
To give some context to all this,
1298
00:42:55,933 --> 00:42:57,766
the Lenovo Legion Go 2
1299
00:42:57,766 --> 00:43:00,099
does have the Z2 extreme,
1300
00:43:00,433 --> 00:43:03,333
but this title is very misleading in some
1301
00:43:03,333 --> 00:43:06,066
ways that it does not have it at $1,000.
1302
00:43:06,866 --> 00:43:07,733
You have to get up pretty
1303
00:43:07,733 --> 00:43:09,400
far up into the upgrade package
1304
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,866
because I believe it has the Z2 starting
1305
00:43:12,866 --> 00:43:15,233
at 1000 with 16 gigabytes of RAM.
1306
00:43:17,233 --> 00:43:19,033
And to get to like the Z2 extreme
1307
00:43:19,033 --> 00:43:20,966
processor with up to 32 gigabytes of RAM,
1308
00:43:20,966 --> 00:43:24,166
you're going to be paying 14, $1,500.
1309
00:43:25,199 --> 00:43:27,433
So what? I missed that.
1310
00:43:28,699 --> 00:43:29,766
Yeah, it's crazy, man.
1311
00:43:29,766 --> 00:43:32,266
Like I like the Legion Go.
1312
00:43:32,266 --> 00:43:35,033
I have an original Legion Go and it's
1313
00:43:35,033 --> 00:43:36,166
still like I still
1314
00:43:36,166 --> 00:43:37,233
have a soft spot for it.
1315
00:43:37,233 --> 00:43:39,500
But at the same time, though, I mean, the
1316
00:43:39,500 --> 00:43:41,033
prices are crazy, man.
1317
00:43:41,466 --> 00:43:42,733
Like this is so misleading.
1318
00:43:43,066 --> 00:43:46,033
Really, this is this is I like Tom Hart
1319
00:43:46,033 --> 00:43:48,533
Tom's hardware, but this is really bad.
1320
00:43:48,533 --> 00:43:49,699
They need to have it be.
1321
00:43:49,699 --> 00:43:49,966
Let's see.
1322
00:43:49,966 --> 00:43:52,666
So unless they have to that I'm missing.
1323
00:43:53,033 --> 00:43:55,133
This is very misleading.
1324
00:43:55,133 --> 00:43:56,199
They need to have two or three columns
1325
00:43:56,199 --> 00:43:59,599
because having up to
1326
00:43:59,966 --> 00:44:02,733
but then having it say starting at is
1327
00:44:02,733 --> 00:44:04,266
just does not show how
1328
00:44:04,266 --> 00:44:06,433
different the pricing is on this.
1329
00:44:06,699 --> 00:44:07,466
Who's the author of this
1330
00:44:07,466 --> 00:44:09,133
article? That's that is bullshit.
1331
00:44:09,966 --> 00:44:10,633
Well, I don't know if
1332
00:44:10,633 --> 00:44:11,699
I want to like call it.
1333
00:44:11,699 --> 00:44:12,666
Yeah, we don't want to.
1334
00:44:12,866 --> 00:44:14,233
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1335
00:44:14,233 --> 00:44:15,633
But we should probably shame on this.
1336
00:44:15,633 --> 00:44:17,000
I'd rather name or shame the company
1337
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:18,133
itself, not an individual.
1338
00:44:18,466 --> 00:44:20,933
But because there are layers, right?
1339
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:22,133
There was an author,
1340
00:44:22,366 --> 00:44:23,633
there was an editor to it.
1341
00:44:23,966 --> 00:44:25,699
Yeah, I think there are four skews,
1342
00:44:25,699 --> 00:44:29,633
technically speaking of this to Z2s and
1343
00:44:29,633 --> 00:44:31,066
two Z2 extreme models.
1344
00:44:33,133 --> 00:44:34,633
But from what I understand,
1345
00:44:36,266 --> 00:44:37,666
I don't know, things are just insanely
1346
00:44:37,666 --> 00:44:38,699
expensive at this point.
1347
00:44:39,199 --> 00:44:40,500
I think we have lost a lot.
1348
00:44:40,500 --> 00:44:42,833
But to be and to be honest, the PC
1349
00:44:42,833 --> 00:44:45,266
handheld market has never really been.
1350
00:44:46,633 --> 00:44:47,900
It has always been kind of expensive.
1351
00:44:47,933 --> 00:44:49,500
Really, the steam deck has always been
1352
00:44:49,500 --> 00:44:50,500
the real outlier here.
1353
00:44:50,533 --> 00:44:52,733
Like even before the steam deck, you
1354
00:44:52,733 --> 00:44:55,500
know, we've had I and Nio's and GBD's
1355
00:44:55,500 --> 00:44:56,533
like inching towards a
1356
00:44:56,533 --> 00:44:58,333
thousand dollars as is.
1357
00:44:59,699 --> 00:45:00,266
And those were weak
1358
00:45:00,266 --> 00:45:01,166
in the steam deck, too.
1359
00:45:01,266 --> 00:45:02,333
The when the steam that came out, it was
1360
00:45:02,333 --> 00:45:03,500
both the cheapest and
1361
00:45:03,500 --> 00:45:04,466
most powerful handheld.
1362
00:45:04,466 --> 00:45:05,366
So it kind of like.
1363
00:45:06,733 --> 00:45:07,633
This kind of like.
1364
00:45:08,933 --> 00:45:10,566
Shook up the market substantially to the
1365
00:45:10,566 --> 00:45:12,166
point where everything's
1366
00:45:12,166 --> 00:45:13,400
still feeling the effects, too.
1367
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,233
So. Here's one thing, one big take.
1368
00:45:18,599 --> 00:45:21,466
I the original Legion go, I bought it.
1369
00:45:21,466 --> 00:45:22,766
I'd returned it after doing a review
1370
00:45:22,766 --> 00:45:24,233
because I couldn't stand it.
1371
00:45:24,533 --> 00:45:25,733
The it's not comfortable.
1372
00:45:27,433 --> 00:45:30,033
The the new design looks
1373
00:45:30,033 --> 00:45:30,766
a lot more comfortable.
1374
00:45:31,266 --> 00:45:31,966
But if you look right
1375
00:45:31,966 --> 00:45:33,633
here, this is the price for it.
1376
00:45:33,633 --> 00:45:34,833
So it's a little less than I.
1377
00:45:35,333 --> 00:45:36,566
I swear they dropped this.
1378
00:45:36,566 --> 00:45:37,933
They must have dropped it or something,
1379
00:45:37,933 --> 00:45:39,233
because since I looked at it last, I
1380
00:45:39,233 --> 00:45:42,033
swear this was like 14, 14 or 1500.
1381
00:45:42,699 --> 00:45:45,266
But yeah, so for the more powerful
1382
00:45:45,266 --> 00:45:46,633
version or I don't know if
1383
00:45:46,633 --> 00:45:47,733
this is the most powerful skew
1384
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,966
that they have, but like it's 1350.
1385
00:45:53,066 --> 00:45:56,033
Which I'm sorry, I think they have a two
1386
00:45:56,033 --> 00:45:58,433
terabyte model, but they
1387
00:45:58,433 --> 00:45:59,400
probably have a two terabyte,
1388
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:00,233
which at that point I
1389
00:46:00,233 --> 00:46:01,333
just upgraded myself.
1390
00:46:01,900 --> 00:46:07,266
But this is on the edge of just being
1391
00:46:07,266 --> 00:46:09,199
like ridiculously expensive.
1392
00:46:09,199 --> 00:46:11,666
And I almost I almost want to buy it just
1393
00:46:11,666 --> 00:46:15,099
because at least it's I want to try it
1394
00:46:15,099 --> 00:46:15,866
because at least it's
1395
00:46:15,866 --> 00:46:16,933
the better Legion go to.
1396
00:46:16,966 --> 00:46:17,833
If the drivers are
1397
00:46:17,833 --> 00:46:21,866
good, I would maybe get it.
1398
00:46:21,866 --> 00:46:23,633
I don't know. It is
1399
00:46:23,633 --> 00:46:24,833
worth mentioning that.
1400
00:46:25,933 --> 00:46:26,433
So we should talk
1401
00:46:26,433 --> 00:46:27,400
about more about the specs.
1402
00:46:28,266 --> 00:46:30,033
So we should talk about the screen
1403
00:46:30,033 --> 00:46:31,599
because the screen is probably what's
1404
00:46:31,599 --> 00:46:33,366
contributing a lot to the price increase.
1405
00:46:33,966 --> 00:46:36,533
Yeah. It's a OLED with a variable refresh
1406
00:46:36,533 --> 00:46:38,766
rate, which is incredibly rare because I
1407
00:46:38,766 --> 00:46:39,666
remember reading that,
1408
00:46:39,666 --> 00:46:42,133
there was always the OLED flicker with
1409
00:46:42,133 --> 00:46:43,300
variable refresh rates.
1410
00:46:44,333 --> 00:46:48,466
And I mean, I guess Lenovo has some sort
1411
00:46:48,466 --> 00:46:49,466
of insane technology
1412
00:46:49,466 --> 00:46:50,833
to figure that shit out.
1413
00:46:53,133 --> 00:46:54,066
Yeah, just the screen
1414
00:46:54,066 --> 00:46:55,000
technology is coming out.
1415
00:46:55,366 --> 00:46:57,933
Yeah, honestly. So here's the thing.
1416
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,466
I know I even gawked and
1417
00:47:00,466 --> 00:47:01,433
I make fun of the price.
1418
00:47:02,300 --> 00:47:04,733
Handhelds like this should be affordable.
1419
00:47:05,933 --> 00:47:07,166
This is not designed to
1420
00:47:07,166 --> 00:47:08,133
be an affordable handset.
1421
00:47:08,133 --> 00:47:09,433
It is designed to be like a
1422
00:47:09,433 --> 00:47:11,833
flagship or like the the the
1423
00:47:12,733 --> 00:47:14,699
I think packing everything that people
1424
00:47:14,699 --> 00:47:16,566
really want, like would want
1425
00:47:17,133 --> 00:47:18,966
if they have the money into a handheld.
1426
00:47:19,233 --> 00:47:20,166
That's what this is, I think.
1427
00:47:20,533 --> 00:47:22,266
You're absolutely not wrong.
1428
00:47:22,733 --> 00:47:24,566
That is 100 percent true.
1429
00:47:24,566 --> 00:47:26,599
I think where I'm like my
1430
00:47:26,599 --> 00:47:29,433
hang up is is Steam Deck OLED.
1431
00:47:29,866 --> 00:47:30,733
The base model of Steam
1432
00:47:30,733 --> 00:47:32,099
Deck OLED is 550. Right.
1433
00:47:32,733 --> 00:47:34,699
And so does this bring
1434
00:47:34,699 --> 00:47:38,566
more than two times of,
1435
00:47:39,366 --> 00:47:39,800
you know,
1436
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,533
satisfaction value value. Right.
1437
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:44,666
Then the steam that go it.
1438
00:47:44,666 --> 00:47:45,566
And that's that's the part
1439
00:47:45,566 --> 00:47:47,066
that is hard for me to justify.
1440
00:47:47,066 --> 00:47:49,466
I know that potentially, you know, this
1441
00:47:49,466 --> 00:47:50,933
is a loss leader for Valve.
1442
00:47:52,233 --> 00:47:53,833
A lot of people at this point seem
1443
00:47:53,833 --> 00:47:55,266
settled in the fact that it is.
1444
00:47:55,266 --> 00:47:56,666
I'm a little bit more. I
1445
00:47:56,666 --> 00:47:57,766
don't think it is. Yeah.
1446
00:47:58,333 --> 00:47:59,766
I don't think it's a loss. I don't think
1447
00:47:59,766 --> 00:48:01,166
it's a loss leader. Yeah.
1448
00:48:03,099 --> 00:48:05,199
I just think they they got a really good
1449
00:48:05,199 --> 00:48:06,266
bill of materials, right?
1450
00:48:06,300 --> 00:48:08,433
They worked it out and they are able to
1451
00:48:08,433 --> 00:48:10,333
sell at a tiny profit,
1452
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:11,466
but probably a profit
1453
00:48:11,466 --> 00:48:14,066
nonetheless. Very small. Yeah.
1454
00:48:14,733 --> 00:48:18,833
And so, yeah, I there is virtually
1455
00:48:19,633 --> 00:48:22,666
maybe literally no one that I could
1456
00:48:22,666 --> 00:48:24,233
recommend say, yeah,
1457
00:48:24,233 --> 00:48:26,266
you should spend two times more money and
1458
00:48:26,266 --> 00:48:27,699
get the Lenovo Legion go to.
1459
00:48:28,766 --> 00:48:29,466
I'm the person.
1460
00:48:30,133 --> 00:48:31,133
That's the thing. All right.
1461
00:48:31,266 --> 00:48:33,000
I know one person, you know.
1462
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:33,966
Yeah, you know, one person.
1463
00:48:34,500 --> 00:48:36,566
I mean, also I'm an idiot, but, you know,
1464
00:48:36,866 --> 00:48:38,400
that's besides the fact the point.
1465
00:48:39,666 --> 00:48:42,133
This for me, it's worth the because it
1466
00:48:42,133 --> 00:48:44,066
has the eight point eight inch screen.
1467
00:48:44,500 --> 00:48:45,033
It's got higher
1468
00:48:45,033 --> 00:48:46,800
resolution, which I actually like.
1469
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:47,800
And I mean, having it be a
1470
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,933
bigger screen that does help.
1471
00:48:50,566 --> 00:48:52,566
I do think the steam deck is a little on
1472
00:48:52,566 --> 00:48:55,566
the resolution is a little low for me
1473
00:48:56,266 --> 00:48:57,666
for some of the tech games
1474
00:48:57,666 --> 00:48:58,833
that I've played with text.
1475
00:49:00,933 --> 00:49:02,366
The biggest kicker to with this is that
1476
00:49:02,366 --> 00:49:03,166
like that battery is
1477
00:49:03,166 --> 00:49:03,833
not going to last long.
1478
00:49:03,833 --> 00:49:06,866
And I don't care because I play in one to
1479
00:49:06,866 --> 00:49:08,933
two hour sprint sprints
1480
00:49:09,199 --> 00:49:10,966
and oftentimes near
1481
00:49:10,966 --> 00:49:12,166
an outlet if I have to.
1482
00:49:12,433 --> 00:49:14,833
Like I have I have a charger right here.
1483
00:49:14,833 --> 00:49:16,166
I have a charger in my room.
1484
00:49:16,500 --> 00:49:19,199
I already I'm set up.
1485
00:49:19,199 --> 00:49:22,633
And so this is nearly perfect for me.
1486
00:49:22,633 --> 00:49:26,733
That price is, you know,
1487
00:49:27,333 --> 00:49:28,633
you can't expect it to be
1488
00:49:28,633 --> 00:49:30,233
too much cheaper than that
1489
00:49:30,933 --> 00:49:33,500
for all this crap shoved into it.
1490
00:49:34,166 --> 00:49:37,866
Are you go ahead, I think I was going to
1491
00:49:37,866 --> 00:49:38,599
say that's fair enough.
1492
00:49:39,333 --> 00:49:40,833
I mean, the battery life is also
1493
00:49:40,833 --> 00:49:42,266
substantially improved as well.
1494
00:49:42,266 --> 00:49:43,233
I think the original only
1495
00:49:43,233 --> 00:49:45,033
had 50 watt hours, correct.
1496
00:49:45,366 --> 00:49:46,166
Yeah. Yeah.
1497
00:49:46,466 --> 00:49:48,933
And this is this is inching towards the,
1498
00:49:48,933 --> 00:49:51,566
you know, the ROG Ally X.
1499
00:49:51,933 --> 00:49:53,966
You remember, like, I mean, if you guys
1500
00:49:53,966 --> 00:49:54,833
remember when that released,
1501
00:49:54,833 --> 00:49:55,966
that had the best battery
1502
00:49:55,966 --> 00:49:57,033
life of all the devices.
1503
00:49:57,033 --> 00:49:58,500
I mean, just having a
1504
00:49:58,500 --> 00:49:59,566
bigger battery to do that, right?
1505
00:50:00,066 --> 00:50:01,666
Yeah. But this this screen
1506
00:50:01,666 --> 00:50:02,633
is going to destroy that.
1507
00:50:02,666 --> 00:50:03,633
Any gains it had.
1508
00:50:05,633 --> 00:50:07,133
It's going to be better than Legion Go,
1509
00:50:08,266 --> 00:50:09,033
because it's the same.
1510
00:50:09,033 --> 00:50:10,766
It's similarly specced screen.
1511
00:50:11,533 --> 00:50:13,366
Well, actually, the screen is a
1512
00:50:14,566 --> 00:50:16,133
I think it's a lower resolution on this
1513
00:50:16,133 --> 00:50:17,366
one than the old Legion.
1514
00:50:17,366 --> 00:50:17,766
Yeah. Right.
1515
00:50:18,533 --> 00:50:19,833
You might be right, actually.
1516
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,966
Old Legion goes 1600 P.
1517
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,233
Yeah. OK. So yeah,
1518
00:50:25,233 --> 00:50:26,300
maybe it will get better.
1519
00:50:26,599 --> 00:50:28,033
OK. Yeah.
1520
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:29,566
And it's very more fresh rate, too.
1521
00:50:30,166 --> 00:50:31,300
It sounds, James, like
1522
00:50:31,300 --> 00:50:32,333
you're more excited about this
1523
00:50:32,433 --> 00:50:34,733
than Ally Xbox Ally.
1524
00:50:35,766 --> 00:50:37,066
Is that is that true?
1525
00:50:37,066 --> 00:50:38,699
This, by the way, this also looks like it
1526
00:50:38,699 --> 00:50:41,400
releases later than the Xbox Ally.
1527
00:50:41,933 --> 00:50:44,500
The end of October is what the what I've
1528
00:50:44,500 --> 00:50:47,466
read is so October 30th, 31st, whatever.
1529
00:50:49,666 --> 00:50:50,966
I would hook up an eGPU.
1530
00:50:50,966 --> 00:50:52,866
So here's my whole thing with this.
1531
00:50:53,666 --> 00:50:55,833
I want to replace my desktop computer
1532
00:50:56,599 --> 00:50:58,166
with the handheld that I can
1533
00:50:58,166 --> 00:50:59,400
just plug in wherever I want
1534
00:50:59,733 --> 00:51:02,033
so I can stop having my game
1535
00:51:02,033 --> 00:51:03,933
saves, which is nice with Steam.
1536
00:51:04,133 --> 00:51:04,833
But then I have like
1537
00:51:04,833 --> 00:51:05,766
emulators and other stuff.
1538
00:51:05,766 --> 00:51:06,933
I just I'm tired of
1539
00:51:06,933 --> 00:51:08,533
moving between devices.
1540
00:51:09,166 --> 00:51:11,633
And so I'd use this with an eGPU.
1541
00:51:12,133 --> 00:51:13,433
So this would be like my new computer.
1542
00:51:13,433 --> 00:51:15,033
And I spend usually around
1543
00:51:15,033 --> 00:51:17,166
every three or four years.
1544
00:51:17,166 --> 00:51:18,099
I spend around three
1545
00:51:18,099 --> 00:51:19,300
thousand dollars on a new computer.
1546
00:51:20,166 --> 00:51:22,199
So this for my hobby or whatever.
1547
00:51:22,199 --> 00:51:25,066
So this would be within my price range.
1548
00:51:25,533 --> 00:51:26,966
But honestly, I'd rip out my 3090
1549
00:51:27,766 --> 00:51:31,533
and either put it in my closet or, you
1550
00:51:31,533 --> 00:51:32,866
know, you know, with an eGPU.
1551
00:51:33,333 --> 00:51:34,099
I'd throw it somewhere.
1552
00:51:34,433 --> 00:51:36,633
So this setup makes sense for me.
1553
00:51:37,166 --> 00:51:38,166
But I don't think a lot
1554
00:51:38,166 --> 00:51:39,066
of people would make sense.
1555
00:51:40,733 --> 00:51:41,366
I think the Fox.
1556
00:51:41,766 --> 00:51:43,800
Yeah, the Fox does this right with his
1557
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:45,633
the Fox does you win?
1558
00:51:46,666 --> 00:51:47,566
Whatever the new one was.
1559
00:51:48,333 --> 00:51:50,033
And he sold me even more on it because it
1560
00:51:50,033 --> 00:51:51,933
runs like he was giving us numbers.
1561
00:51:51,933 --> 00:51:54,233
I was like, damn, that makes sense.
1562
00:51:54,233 --> 00:51:55,166
OK, I want to do that.
1563
00:51:55,933 --> 00:51:56,800
Yeah, I think he was using
1564
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,266
the Win Max to last night heard.
1565
00:52:00,533 --> 00:52:02,599
And so that one has the control pad, but
1566
00:52:02,599 --> 00:52:04,033
also like the keyboard on board.
1567
00:52:04,566 --> 00:52:05,733
Oh, you switch over to that one.
1568
00:52:06,133 --> 00:52:06,833
I think so.
1569
00:52:07,166 --> 00:52:09,566
Because he was on the GPD when because
1570
00:52:09,566 --> 00:52:10,166
there's a difference
1571
00:52:10,166 --> 00:52:13,433
between the Win Max and the GPD win.
1572
00:52:13,733 --> 00:52:16,466
Yeah, this was naming conventions.
1573
00:52:16,733 --> 00:52:18,166
Yeah, honestly, man.
1574
00:52:19,666 --> 00:52:20,766
Also worth mentioning is
1575
00:52:20,766 --> 00:52:23,000
that the Legion Go Gen 2
1576
00:52:23,766 --> 00:52:24,733
won't have that new
1577
00:52:24,733 --> 00:52:26,333
Xbox experience at launch.
1578
00:52:26,599 --> 00:52:28,633
It'll it'll come later sometime next
1579
00:52:28,633 --> 00:52:29,500
year, I believe it was.
1580
00:52:29,500 --> 00:52:30,833
I don't remember. Yeah.
1581
00:52:31,166 --> 00:52:31,866
But right now it's going
1582
00:52:31,866 --> 00:52:34,133
to be exclusive to the Xbox
1583
00:52:34,599 --> 00:52:37,300
or our G Xbox Ally X.
1584
00:52:38,599 --> 00:52:39,233
I got it.
1585
00:52:39,466 --> 00:52:40,266
That was it.
1586
00:52:40,266 --> 00:52:42,966
Are you Xbox Ally and our G Xbox Ally X?
1587
00:52:42,966 --> 00:52:44,933
No, it's you didn't see the whole thing.
1588
00:52:44,933 --> 00:52:45,966
It is a suit.
1589
00:52:46,333 --> 00:52:47,166
There you go.
1590
00:52:47,866 --> 00:52:50,166
You start Microsoft a suit.
1591
00:52:51,033 --> 00:52:51,433
Yes.
1592
00:52:52,266 --> 00:52:53,033
Ally X.
1593
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,166
OK, it rolls off the tongue.
1594
00:52:56,666 --> 00:52:58,733
What's stopping someone from just cloning
1595
00:52:58,733 --> 00:52:59,833
that image and then just
1596
00:53:00,666 --> 00:53:01,566
putting on their Legion
1597
00:53:01,566 --> 00:53:03,900
Go Gen 2 or like whatever
1598
00:53:04,066 --> 00:53:04,933
and just having to
1599
00:53:04,933 --> 00:53:05,833
expect to see it early?
1600
00:53:06,333 --> 00:53:07,466
Probably Windows activation.
1601
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,000
OK, tryers maybe.
1602
00:53:12,866 --> 00:53:15,833
Also, there is no like, you know, some
1603
00:53:15,833 --> 00:53:16,666
people might have expected
1604
00:53:16,766 --> 00:53:18,199
that this would release with
1605
00:53:18,199 --> 00:53:20,966
a Steam OS version or option.
1606
00:53:21,833 --> 00:53:23,533
And I'm sure like it'll be available
1607
00:53:23,533 --> 00:53:24,666
pretty quickly, but we
1608
00:53:24,666 --> 00:53:25,666
don't we don't see that.
1609
00:53:26,466 --> 00:53:28,266
We don't see it marketed at least here.
1610
00:53:29,466 --> 00:53:30,366
I think it would work
1611
00:53:30,366 --> 00:53:33,199
fine with the Steam OS, but
1612
00:53:34,066 --> 00:53:35,566
with some caveats, obviously.
1613
00:53:36,566 --> 00:53:38,666
My kicker is if I can get an
1614
00:53:38,666 --> 00:53:40,033
EGP to work with the Steam OS,
1615
00:53:40,033 --> 00:53:41,466
I'm going to run Steam OS on this thing.
1616
00:53:41,866 --> 00:53:43,400
If I can't, then I'm going to dual boot.
1617
00:53:45,900 --> 00:53:47,366
I really want the EGP.
1618
00:53:47,766 --> 00:53:49,233
Does a hold on.
1619
00:53:49,266 --> 00:53:52,633
Does the Legion Go S, the one that's just
1620
00:53:52,633 --> 00:53:55,099
a whole handheld, does that have USB 4?
1621
00:53:56,599 --> 00:53:58,033
Yes, it does.
1622
00:53:58,366 --> 00:54:00,366
I just haven't looked into seeing what if
1623
00:54:00,366 --> 00:54:01,366
people have tried it because
1624
00:54:02,633 --> 00:54:03,866
I've done videos on the GPU
1625
00:54:03,866 --> 00:54:04,966
stuff, and it does not do well.
1626
00:54:04,966 --> 00:54:05,966
People don't really care.
1627
00:54:05,966 --> 00:54:08,500
I don't think people understand to like
1628
00:54:08,500 --> 00:54:09,833
what you can get from an EGP.
1629
00:54:10,900 --> 00:54:12,766
You know, Gardner has an EGP, Doc.
1630
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:15,833
Do I? Do you?
1631
00:54:15,833 --> 00:54:16,300
I thought you did.
1632
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,033
No. Yeah, I thought you did, too.
1633
00:54:19,900 --> 00:54:22,133
Oh, wait, no, I think it's a B-Link Doc.
1634
00:54:22,500 --> 00:54:23,199
That's what he had.
1635
00:54:23,433 --> 00:54:24,866
Oh, yeah. No, that's yeah.
1636
00:54:24,866 --> 00:54:25,666
No, that's a different
1637
00:54:25,666 --> 00:54:27,833
thing because I have a mini PC
1638
00:54:28,166 --> 00:54:29,833
that has like a full
1639
00:54:29,833 --> 00:54:32,966
by 16 PCI Gen 4 in it.
1640
00:54:33,633 --> 00:54:35,366
Yeah, which is it's all
1641
00:54:35,366 --> 00:54:38,166
home beast, but that's a thing.
1642
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:40,633
Right. Damn.
1643
00:54:43,266 --> 00:54:45,433
I'm going to be I'm moving to right.
1644
00:54:45,433 --> 00:54:45,933
All right.
1645
00:54:45,933 --> 00:54:47,033
When this releases, I
1646
00:54:47,033 --> 00:54:47,933
don't want to spend more money.
1647
00:54:47,966 --> 00:54:49,933
You know, I'm so tempted to get it.
1648
00:54:50,366 --> 00:54:52,733
You know, the Fox has an EGP doc
1649
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,566
and probably one of those Legion Go S's.
1650
00:54:56,633 --> 00:54:58,699
With the most on it, he does.
1651
00:54:58,699 --> 00:55:00,666
We have should we have him try it?
1652
00:55:00,933 --> 00:55:01,833
Oh, you're just trying
1653
00:55:01,833 --> 00:55:02,833
to find out if it works.
1654
00:55:02,833 --> 00:55:04,533
Yeah, yes. Yeah.
1655
00:55:05,233 --> 00:55:06,133
I really don't think
1656
00:55:06,133 --> 00:55:07,433
you should work on this.
1657
00:55:07,433 --> 00:55:09,333
You can ask them during the you can ask
1658
00:55:09,333 --> 00:55:10,033
them during the next
1659
00:55:10,666 --> 00:55:11,633
Nerd Nest podcast.
1660
00:55:12,366 --> 00:55:13,666
I'll ask them for sure.
1661
00:55:14,233 --> 00:55:16,333
Appreciate it. You know, yeah.
1662
00:55:17,366 --> 00:55:18,366
Special requests.
1663
00:55:19,099 --> 00:55:19,733
By the way, you
1664
00:55:19,733 --> 00:55:20,866
mentioned ergonomics, James,
1665
00:55:20,866 --> 00:55:23,133
and I watched the PC
1666
00:55:23,133 --> 00:55:25,599
World video about Legion Go 2.
1667
00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:26,166
It was a good video.
1668
00:55:27,166 --> 00:55:28,733
And yeah, he he says it's
1669
00:55:28,733 --> 00:55:30,166
a it feels a lot better.
1670
00:55:30,166 --> 00:55:31,033
And you can actually
1671
00:55:31,033 --> 00:55:34,333
like plug in the new Joy-Con
1672
00:55:34,366 --> 00:55:35,533
true strike controller on
1673
00:55:35,533 --> 00:55:37,566
one side, plug in the old one
1674
00:55:37,966 --> 00:55:39,266
on the other side and it works.
1675
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:40,566
So that was pretty interesting.
1676
00:55:40,866 --> 00:55:42,433
But you and then in that way, you could
1677
00:55:42,433 --> 00:55:43,733
feel at the same time
1678
00:55:43,866 --> 00:55:45,366
like how the new one feels
1679
00:55:45,366 --> 00:55:46,699
versus how the old one feels.
1680
00:55:46,699 --> 00:55:48,366
And he said it's it's a big difference.
1681
00:55:50,833 --> 00:55:51,966
Yeah, no, it definitely that's
1682
00:55:51,966 --> 00:55:53,099
my biggest here with the well,
1683
00:55:53,333 --> 00:55:56,133
that and the drivers so like and the
1684
00:55:56,133 --> 00:55:58,166
price is secondary for me.
1685
00:55:58,366 --> 00:55:59,300
Like we'll we'll see.
1686
00:56:00,566 --> 00:56:02,599
I just really want to like I have a lead.
1687
00:56:02,599 --> 00:56:05,733
I have a sorry, an ally that has the
1688
00:56:05,733 --> 00:56:06,833
proprietary hookups.
1689
00:56:06,833 --> 00:56:07,566
I haven't been able to I
1690
00:56:07,566 --> 00:56:08,866
would be doing it with this.
1691
00:56:09,866 --> 00:56:12,866
I'm doing an EGPU and I just don't have a
1692
00:56:12,866 --> 00:56:13,933
device that doesn't EGPU
1693
00:56:14,166 --> 00:56:15,233
supports EGPU.
1694
00:56:17,633 --> 00:56:21,266
Yeah, so prices, secondary ergonomics,
1695
00:56:21,266 --> 00:56:23,133
and what it can do is this person some
1696
00:56:23,133 --> 00:56:24,300
good content would come from it,
1697
00:56:24,300 --> 00:56:24,933
I think, too.
1698
00:56:25,833 --> 00:56:28,166
But man, those drivers, I don't know.
1699
00:56:28,466 --> 00:56:29,333
High tech. We've talked
1700
00:56:29,333 --> 00:56:30,366
about this before, but.
1701
00:56:31,633 --> 00:56:33,400
Do you have to have the driver's gotten
1702
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:34,333
better on the Legion Go
1703
00:56:34,333 --> 00:56:35,966
because they were so garbage for me.
1704
00:56:36,666 --> 00:56:38,033
I think they have gotten better,
1705
00:56:39,333 --> 00:56:40,466
but that doesn't that's not
1706
00:56:40,466 --> 00:56:43,466
but like that may not guarantee
1707
00:56:43,633 --> 00:56:45,733
that the drivers will be good at launch
1708
00:56:45,733 --> 00:56:47,300
for the Legion Go, too.
1709
00:56:47,833 --> 00:56:48,533
But I would imagine
1710
00:56:48,533 --> 00:56:49,599
they've gotten a little better.
1711
00:56:49,900 --> 00:56:51,733
I mean, now they now they're an
1712
00:56:51,733 --> 00:56:53,166
experienced player in the space.
1713
00:56:54,866 --> 00:56:56,866
The Legion space, no pun intended.
1714
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,166
Yeah, I'm really hoping that they really
1715
00:56:59,166 --> 00:57:00,833
just redid everything because it was.
1716
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,366
Oh, yeah. Yeah, they also slow, totally
1717
00:57:04,366 --> 00:57:05,866
overhauled Legion space.
1718
00:57:06,633 --> 00:57:07,966
It doesn't suck as bad anymore.
1719
00:57:11,233 --> 00:57:12,233
I think I always had that.
1720
00:57:13,033 --> 00:57:15,599
Interesting. The little port there.
1721
00:57:15,933 --> 00:57:17,433
I don't know about, you know, I don't
1722
00:57:17,433 --> 00:57:19,233
think the original one had that.
1723
00:57:19,233 --> 00:57:19,866
But what port?
1724
00:57:21,033 --> 00:57:23,066
I think that no original
1725
00:57:23,066 --> 00:57:24,633
doesn't have a type C port.
1726
00:57:24,633 --> 00:57:25,699
That looks like a type C port.
1727
00:57:25,933 --> 00:57:26,633
It looks like a C.
1728
00:57:27,366 --> 00:57:28,766
Maybe you can like charge externally.
1729
00:57:29,533 --> 00:57:30,199
That's interesting.
1730
00:57:30,199 --> 00:57:31,166
That's what I'm thinking, too.
1731
00:57:33,199 --> 00:57:33,966
That's interesting.
1732
00:57:35,233 --> 00:57:36,666
Maybe like they'll have like a
1733
00:57:36,666 --> 00:57:39,233
controller like battery thing.
1734
00:57:39,599 --> 00:57:41,266
Ports down there. What is that?
1735
00:57:41,866 --> 00:57:43,733
That's optical. This is the right.
1736
00:57:44,300 --> 00:57:45,400
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
1737
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,966
Optical. OK. Right.
1738
00:57:47,966 --> 00:57:49,066
Yeah, I remember.
1739
00:57:49,933 --> 00:57:51,500
Oh, my gosh, that reminds me when
1740
00:57:51,500 --> 00:57:53,633
remember when the Legion Go leaked
1741
00:57:54,466 --> 00:57:56,466
and like the first Legion Go leaked and
1742
00:57:56,466 --> 00:57:58,066
no one was that bottom thing was.
1743
00:57:58,066 --> 00:57:59,000
And I was like, dude,
1744
00:57:59,000 --> 00:57:59,966
that's totally a mouth answer.
1745
00:58:00,466 --> 00:58:02,266
And then I guessed it.
1746
00:58:02,266 --> 00:58:03,333
And I guessed it right.
1747
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:04,866
No one else guessed it for some reason.
1748
00:58:05,366 --> 00:58:05,833
No one I know.
1749
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:10,900
Well, I. Yeah, I'm not going
1750
00:58:10,900 --> 00:58:11,666
to give you credit for that.
1751
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:13,933
Well, I didn't see it.
1752
00:58:14,866 --> 00:58:15,566
I'm missing.
1753
00:58:17,300 --> 00:58:19,033
Yeah, so this is the Legion Go, too.
1754
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,033
It's one of those things where
1755
00:58:22,266 --> 00:58:23,733
I don't think it's going to do overly
1756
00:58:23,733 --> 00:58:24,566
well, because I think
1757
00:58:24,566 --> 00:58:25,766
it's priced too high.
1758
00:58:25,766 --> 00:58:26,833
And in today's and in
1759
00:58:26,833 --> 00:58:28,266
the economy right now,
1760
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,566
we'll see. It's interesting for me,
1761
00:58:32,366 --> 00:58:33,400
but it might even be
1762
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:34,333
priced too high for me.
1763
00:58:34,566 --> 00:58:36,166
So I was kind of hoping that
1764
00:58:36,166 --> 00:58:37,133
this would be more like 1100.
1765
00:58:37,699 --> 00:58:39,566
But for this version,
1766
00:58:40,533 --> 00:58:42,333
now, Lenovo emailed you and
1767
00:58:42,333 --> 00:58:43,766
wanted you to review, would you?
1768
00:58:43,766 --> 00:58:45,466
I said 100 percent, 100 percent.
1769
00:58:46,033 --> 00:58:46,766
I think anyone would.
1770
00:58:47,666 --> 00:58:48,566
Also, because I'm
1771
00:58:48,566 --> 00:58:50,266
really excited about it.
1772
00:58:50,833 --> 00:58:52,166
Maybe I need to reach out to them for
1773
00:58:52,166 --> 00:58:53,733
once and not sit on my.
1774
00:58:54,233 --> 00:58:57,266
Yeah. I hope the Steam Deck 2 has a very
1775
00:58:57,666 --> 00:58:59,033
more refresh rate, but that probably be
1776
00:58:59,033 --> 00:59:00,366
too much to ask for.
1777
00:59:02,433 --> 00:59:04,166
I guess it becomes more standardized and
1778
00:59:04,166 --> 00:59:05,733
because the Steam Deck has been rumored.
1779
00:59:05,733 --> 00:59:06,199
I don't know if you guys
1780
00:59:06,199 --> 00:59:07,333
talked about this last week,
1781
00:59:07,433 --> 00:59:08,933
but it's been rumored to
1782
00:59:08,933 --> 00:59:10,699
be coming around 2028 now.
1783
00:59:11,199 --> 00:59:13,500
But no, we didn't talk about that, sadly.
1784
00:59:15,366 --> 00:59:17,366
Yeah, it's rumors once again.
1785
00:59:17,633 --> 00:59:19,566
If we had if we talked about rumors every
1786
00:59:19,566 --> 00:59:21,633
week on a lot of stuff in Steam Deck,
1787
00:59:22,366 --> 00:59:24,633
that'd be people get bored, I think.
1788
00:59:24,699 --> 00:59:27,133
But there's some strong
1789
00:59:27,133 --> 00:59:29,199
rumors that it's 2027 or 2028,
1790
00:59:29,233 --> 00:59:31,199
which would give it plenty of time for
1791
00:59:31,199 --> 00:59:32,466
the tech like the OLED tech
1792
00:59:32,833 --> 00:59:34,366
to catch up to the something like that.
1793
00:59:34,366 --> 00:59:41,666
Yeah, man. So the Legion go to.
1794
00:59:42,133 --> 00:59:43,599
And I haven't seen Silksong run this
1795
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:44,866
thing yet, so I don't
1796
00:59:44,866 --> 00:59:46,066
know if it's real or not.
1797
00:59:47,566 --> 00:59:49,166
Not until you see Silksong run.
1798
00:59:50,900 --> 00:59:53,900
Oh, oh, Silksong.
1799
00:59:54,266 --> 00:59:57,800
So considering the only person here that
1800
00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:59,166
has played it is rich.
1801
01:00:01,166 --> 01:00:03,699
I am still still disappointed in high
1802
01:00:03,699 --> 01:00:06,366
tech, but that's what it's worth me for.
1803
01:00:06,366 --> 01:00:09,300
You said you were going to get it to me.
1804
01:00:09,566 --> 01:00:10,533
Yeah, I am Gardner.
1805
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:12,633
Dude, the whole the whole time we were
1806
01:00:12,633 --> 01:00:14,266
watching the game awards high tech,
1807
01:00:14,266 --> 01:00:15,033
you were like, it's
1808
01:00:15,033 --> 01:00:16,333
Silksong. It's Silksong.
1809
01:00:16,666 --> 01:00:18,133
Yeah, yeah.
1810
01:00:20,333 --> 01:00:21,500
If I didn't get Half Life
1811
01:00:21,500 --> 01:00:22,733
3 when it first came out,
1812
01:00:23,266 --> 01:00:25,066
I would be giving myself crap, too.
1813
01:00:25,333 --> 01:00:26,266
So don't worry, I'd
1814
01:00:26,266 --> 01:00:28,466
also expect it to that.
1815
01:00:30,733 --> 01:00:33,300
No, this is it released.
1816
01:00:33,300 --> 01:00:33,933
It came out finally.
1817
01:00:33,933 --> 01:00:36,000
It is doing very well.
1818
01:00:37,666 --> 01:00:39,633
We can see right here that Hollow Knight,
1819
01:00:39,633 --> 01:00:41,933
Silksong flies past 550000
1820
01:00:41,933 --> 01:00:43,766
players just hours after launch.
1821
01:00:44,433 --> 01:00:45,500
Like it is.
1822
01:00:46,366 --> 01:00:48,133
This is killing it.
1823
01:00:48,133 --> 01:00:48,833
Oh, I think that I think
1824
01:00:48,833 --> 01:00:49,866
it's been exceeded, too.
1825
01:00:50,266 --> 01:00:51,500
I'm sure it has.
1826
01:00:52,633 --> 01:00:54,466
And well, in the weekend, I'm sure is
1827
01:00:54,466 --> 01:00:56,266
going to help it get even higher.
1828
01:00:57,766 --> 01:00:59,566
And it's at it's I think partially
1829
01:00:59,566 --> 01:01:00,333
because it's twenty dollars.
1830
01:01:00,533 --> 01:01:01,933
I really think it's affordable and people
1831
01:01:01,933 --> 01:01:03,099
can afford this right now.
1832
01:01:03,666 --> 01:01:06,366
Yeah, I think that's a huge factor.
1833
01:01:06,733 --> 01:01:08,633
Yeah, no, I was just saying, I think
1834
01:01:08,633 --> 01:01:09,900
that's a huge factor. Right.
1835
01:01:11,066 --> 01:01:15,033
The that price just made it like even if
1836
01:01:15,033 --> 01:01:16,933
you were that interested in Silksong,
1837
01:01:17,266 --> 01:01:18,333
it just made it like a no-brainer.
1838
01:01:18,366 --> 01:01:19,866
Right. Like for a lot of people like
1839
01:01:19,866 --> 01:01:22,433
that, this like zeitgeist feeling.
1840
01:01:22,633 --> 01:01:24,433
A lot of people want to play at the same
1841
01:01:24,433 --> 01:01:25,566
time as other people and be part
1842
01:01:25,566 --> 01:01:26,333
of the conversation,
1843
01:01:26,333 --> 01:01:28,533
especially with not having review code.
1844
01:01:28,533 --> 01:01:30,333
So literally everybody is having the same
1845
01:01:30,333 --> 01:01:31,800
conversation at the same time.
1846
01:01:32,866 --> 01:01:36,266
And so the twenty dollar price barrier
1847
01:01:36,533 --> 01:01:37,566
that just made it really
1848
01:01:37,566 --> 01:01:38,733
easy for a lot of folks.
1849
01:01:39,699 --> 01:01:43,400
I've even seen some indie devs
1850
01:01:44,233 --> 01:01:46,199
kind of like, oh, that not
1851
01:01:46,199 --> 01:01:47,866
that it sucks, but like, oh, now
1852
01:01:47,933 --> 01:01:48,800
that makes it harder
1853
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:50,133
for me to price my game.
1854
01:01:50,133 --> 01:01:52,266
I was planning on making a game that was
1855
01:01:52,266 --> 01:01:53,766
a Metroidvania that was twenty dollars,
1856
01:01:53,766 --> 01:01:55,566
but it's clearly not as good
1857
01:01:55,566 --> 01:01:58,900
or as much value as Silksong.
1858
01:02:00,333 --> 01:02:01,400
And that's a that's a
1859
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:03,400
difficult situation to be in.
1860
01:02:03,633 --> 01:02:05,533
So it really is.
1861
01:02:07,166 --> 01:02:09,833
Also worth mentioning is that we didn't
1862
01:02:09,833 --> 01:02:10,800
talk about this last week,
1863
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:13,199
but sometime I believe last week, Valve
1864
01:02:13,199 --> 01:02:14,833
made a change to reviews
1865
01:02:15,366 --> 01:02:16,133
where you only see
1866
01:02:16,133 --> 01:02:17,166
reviews in your own language.
1867
01:02:17,433 --> 01:02:19,133
And the English reviews
1868
01:02:19,133 --> 01:02:20,533
are 94 percent positive.
1869
01:02:20,533 --> 01:02:21,333
But if you look at language
1870
01:02:21,333 --> 01:02:22,966
reviews in other languages,
1871
01:02:23,199 --> 01:02:23,933
they're all generally
1872
01:02:23,933 --> 01:02:26,066
positive except for Chinese.
1873
01:02:26,366 --> 01:02:27,633
Look at the language breakdown.
1874
01:02:28,733 --> 01:02:33,166
Click on press X on that, James.
1875
01:02:35,199 --> 01:02:37,300
Yeah, see, it's simplified.
1876
01:02:37,566 --> 01:02:38,166
Chinese is mixed.
1877
01:02:38,433 --> 01:02:40,366
And that's I just wanted to mention that
1878
01:02:40,366 --> 01:02:41,533
because I thought it was really funny.
1879
01:02:43,366 --> 01:02:45,033
Because the translation apparently isn't
1880
01:02:45,033 --> 01:02:46,333
very good, supposedly.
1881
01:02:47,333 --> 01:02:48,133
Can't read it for us.
1882
01:02:48,133 --> 01:02:48,699
I want to know what they're
1883
01:02:48,699 --> 01:02:49,933
saying if they don't like it.
1884
01:02:50,199 --> 01:02:51,966
Sorry, dude, I'm not that kind of Asian.
1885
01:02:54,466 --> 01:02:56,433
Wow, I wasn't trying to.
1886
01:02:57,266 --> 01:02:57,966
I got called out.
1887
01:02:58,699 --> 01:02:59,466
You got me back.
1888
01:02:59,866 --> 01:03:00,666
Wait, you're Asian?
1889
01:03:03,466 --> 01:03:04,400
I thought you were animated.
1890
01:03:06,133 --> 01:03:07,033
The same thing.
1891
01:03:07,566 --> 01:03:08,000
All right.
1892
01:03:09,466 --> 01:03:12,166
But like, but like, yeah,
1893
01:03:12,500 --> 01:03:13,333
Silksong is interesting.
1894
01:03:14,566 --> 01:03:17,166
I'm not sure if Silksong actually took
1895
01:03:17,166 --> 01:03:20,133
down the took down steam or the shop,
1896
01:03:20,166 --> 01:03:21,666
but it seems like it did.
1897
01:03:22,333 --> 01:03:22,833
At least that's what
1898
01:03:22,833 --> 01:03:23,733
these articles are implying.
1899
01:03:24,466 --> 01:03:24,933
Yeah, that's what
1900
01:03:24,933 --> 01:03:26,233
everyone I've seen is reporting.
1901
01:03:26,633 --> 01:03:29,266
I don't know if it's confirmed, though.
1902
01:03:30,900 --> 01:03:31,533
Yeah, especially since
1903
01:03:31,533 --> 01:03:33,233
Blackman's Wukong has like
1904
01:03:34,233 --> 01:03:35,466
especially since like Blackman's Wukong
1905
01:03:35,466 --> 01:03:38,033
had like two million concurrent players
1906
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:39,433
and it didn't crash
1907
01:03:39,433 --> 01:03:40,699
steam that day, right?
1908
01:03:41,199 --> 01:03:44,566
So it had there were problems on steam.
1909
01:03:44,566 --> 01:03:45,833
They were very, very
1910
01:03:45,833 --> 01:03:47,933
minor, at least anecdotally.
1911
01:03:48,166 --> 01:03:52,599
Right. Where one, I went to some game
1912
01:03:52,599 --> 01:03:55,733
page and it did not like steam was down.
1913
01:03:55,733 --> 01:03:57,033
But I refreshed and it was back.
1914
01:03:57,033 --> 01:03:58,566
Right. And you can go to like steam staff
1915
01:03:58,566 --> 01:04:00,533
that US and you can see at the time
1916
01:04:00,533 --> 01:04:02,699
that like reports were a little bit up,
1917
01:04:03,099 --> 01:04:05,233
but it was literally like one refresh
1918
01:04:05,233 --> 01:04:07,233
and it was gone. That said, when I went
1919
01:04:07,233 --> 01:04:09,500
to buy Silksong, I had to process.
1920
01:04:09,533 --> 01:04:11,866
I had to try to do it like 10 times
1921
01:04:11,866 --> 01:04:12,866
before it went through.
1922
01:04:13,533 --> 01:04:16,433
That's crazy. Yeah. Wow, that is crazy.
1923
01:04:16,866 --> 01:04:18,733
No. So. And I.
1924
01:04:18,733 --> 01:04:21,166
I think they also sold out of steam keys
1925
01:04:21,166 --> 01:04:23,733
on humble as well, because I believe.
1926
01:04:23,733 --> 01:04:24,833
Yes, I was working on
1927
01:04:24,833 --> 01:04:26,666
my video and I went to go
1928
01:04:27,599 --> 01:04:29,533
like get the affiliate link from humble.
1929
01:04:30,366 --> 01:04:32,233
And the only one that was available was
1930
01:04:32,233 --> 01:04:34,733
the the eShop, the Nintendo version.
1931
01:04:35,500 --> 01:04:37,133
So yeah, like that.
1932
01:04:37,466 --> 01:04:39,866
I would suspect, honestly, that Valve has
1933
01:04:39,866 --> 01:04:42,533
like different tiers for like
1934
01:04:43,666 --> 01:04:45,400
like indie games versus AAA.
1935
01:04:45,966 --> 01:04:47,133
And I don't think that
1936
01:04:47,133 --> 01:04:48,900
they're like indie game,
1937
01:04:49,066 --> 01:04:51,566
like infrastructure was anticipating that
1938
01:04:51,566 --> 01:04:53,400
much of a load for this.
1939
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:56,566
Yeah, load balancing and stuff like that
1940
01:04:56,566 --> 01:04:58,266
probably was not expecting.
1941
01:04:58,500 --> 01:04:59,533
They were not planned.
1942
01:05:01,233 --> 01:05:02,933
I just want to say I translated this kind
1943
01:05:02,933 --> 01:05:03,933
of cool thing that can do.
1944
01:05:03,933 --> 01:05:04,933
You can screenshot and
1945
01:05:04,933 --> 01:05:05,933
then just auto translate.
1946
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:09,066
Is it fun? That's all this is.
1947
01:05:09,266 --> 01:05:11,333
Is it? Is it fun?
1948
01:05:12,033 --> 01:05:13,666
Thirteen hours down.
1949
01:05:14,433 --> 01:05:15,033
Is it fun?
1950
01:05:15,666 --> 01:05:18,033
Wait, so they played 13 hours
1951
01:05:18,033 --> 01:05:19,199
and they asked the question.
1952
01:05:19,199 --> 01:05:20,833
Is it fun while downloading it?
1953
01:05:21,233 --> 01:05:22,766
Yeah, I think that to mean
1954
01:05:22,766 --> 01:05:23,933
they don't think it's fun.
1955
01:05:24,599 --> 01:05:25,133
Yeah, I know.
1956
01:05:25,500 --> 01:05:26,199
Two. Yeah.
1957
01:05:26,466 --> 01:05:27,333
But it's still kind of funny.
1958
01:05:27,766 --> 01:05:28,766
It is. Yeah.
1959
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:29,633
What's this one that
1960
01:05:29,633 --> 01:05:31,800
says booze, MD and booze?
1961
01:05:32,233 --> 01:05:33,166
That's the only word I can read.
1962
01:05:34,266 --> 01:05:35,633
That's the only word I can read.
1963
01:05:38,533 --> 01:05:39,766
I'm going to translate it for you guys.
1964
01:05:40,466 --> 01:05:41,333
You guys can continue
1965
01:05:41,333 --> 01:05:43,066
talking and I'll figure this out.
1966
01:05:43,366 --> 01:05:43,933
Now we're waiting.
1967
01:05:44,666 --> 01:05:47,266
We got to know what the mystery is.
1968
01:05:48,633 --> 01:05:50,500
Are they are they so scared of silk song?
1969
01:05:51,966 --> 01:05:52,633
Is it scary?
1970
01:05:53,500 --> 01:05:53,699
Probably.
1971
01:05:54,433 --> 01:05:55,533
Is it not going to work?
1972
01:05:57,266 --> 01:05:59,366
It's the usually you can
1973
01:05:59,366 --> 01:06:01,333
highlight the text and stuff,
1974
01:06:01,333 --> 01:06:02,733
but this time it's not working.
1975
01:06:03,533 --> 01:06:04,400
Is it because of the
1976
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:05,666
English text in there?
1977
01:06:06,133 --> 01:06:07,533
It could be confusing it. Yeah.
1978
01:06:08,633 --> 01:06:09,666
That's crazy, man.
1979
01:06:10,433 --> 01:06:11,966
I will say silk song is hard.
1980
01:06:12,633 --> 01:06:13,800
It's like pretty like
1981
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:15,266
Hollow Knight was hard, right?
1982
01:06:15,266 --> 01:06:16,233
But like silk song kind
1983
01:06:16,233 --> 01:06:18,633
of takes it a level up.
1984
01:06:19,366 --> 01:06:20,599
So I was curious.
1985
01:06:20,666 --> 01:06:21,933
It's good to see that like people are
1986
01:06:21,933 --> 01:06:25,533
still in English 94 percent positive
1987
01:06:25,533 --> 01:06:27,033
because I was curious like, is this going
1988
01:06:27,033 --> 01:06:28,433
to be too much for some folks?
1989
01:06:28,433 --> 01:06:29,066
But thankfully not.
1990
01:06:30,733 --> 01:06:31,833
Let's probably just it was
1991
01:06:31,833 --> 01:06:33,699
probably easy to go back in like
1992
01:06:34,033 --> 01:06:35,000
rechallenge whatever
1993
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:36,466
this he died to immediately.
1994
01:06:36,966 --> 01:06:38,166
It's like how Celeste
1995
01:06:38,166 --> 01:06:39,566
like you're either racking up
1996
01:06:39,566 --> 01:06:40,166
thousands and
1997
01:06:40,166 --> 01:06:41,933
thousands of deaths, but like.
1998
01:06:43,533 --> 01:06:45,066
You like you start at the beginning of
1999
01:06:45,066 --> 01:06:46,133
the room that you died in.
2000
01:06:46,133 --> 01:06:48,133
So like, yeah, it's no big deal that he
2001
01:06:48,133 --> 01:06:49,133
died a thousand times.
2002
01:06:49,666 --> 01:06:50,666
Mentally, it's a
2003
01:06:50,666 --> 01:06:52,133
little bit of a big deal.
2004
01:06:52,133 --> 01:06:53,500
But once you get past that, right,
2005
01:06:53,500 --> 01:06:54,199
because like number
2006
01:06:54,199 --> 01:06:55,633
one, you lose your souls.
2007
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:57,366
Right. Oh, right.
2008
01:06:58,766 --> 01:06:59,633
So you want to at least
2009
01:06:59,633 --> 01:07:01,033
get back and get this stuff.
2010
01:07:01,300 --> 01:07:02,333
And then like Demon's
2011
01:07:02,333 --> 01:07:04,166
Souls, there is usually like a
2012
01:07:05,466 --> 01:07:08,099
trek, not a not necessarily a long trek,
2013
01:07:08,099 --> 01:07:08,933
but you have to make it
2014
01:07:08,933 --> 01:07:09,933
back to where you were.
2015
01:07:11,366 --> 01:07:12,633
And if you like, if you've
2016
01:07:12,633 --> 01:07:14,033
been if you're in a new area,
2017
01:07:14,033 --> 01:07:16,900
you don't have the map, for example, and
2018
01:07:16,900 --> 01:07:18,366
you haven't saved in a while,
2019
01:07:18,366 --> 01:07:19,266
it can be a bit of a pain.
2020
01:07:22,066 --> 01:07:24,066
I remember when I got this in the mail.
2021
01:07:24,966 --> 01:07:26,333
Look at that. Is that it's
2022
01:07:26,333 --> 01:07:28,033
a box copy of Hollow Knight.
2023
01:07:28,366 --> 01:07:29,133
That's sick.
2024
01:07:29,599 --> 01:07:31,233
What's it come with? Steel case?
2025
01:07:31,933 --> 01:07:34,333
No, it came with like
2026
01:07:34,333 --> 01:07:37,300
a DVD or CD style case.
2027
01:07:38,199 --> 01:07:40,733
And it also came with this thing, which I
2028
01:07:40,733 --> 01:07:41,800
think you guys will appreciate.
2029
01:07:43,266 --> 01:07:46,133
It's a grub. Oh, that's nice.
2030
01:07:46,566 --> 01:07:47,699
That's cute. Yeah.
2031
01:07:48,033 --> 01:07:49,133
And I leave it in here because I don't
2032
01:07:49,133 --> 01:07:51,300
want it to get all dusty. Yeah.
2033
01:07:52,066 --> 01:07:52,366
But yeah.
2034
01:07:53,533 --> 01:07:54,733
So that was for the PC
2035
01:07:54,733 --> 01:07:55,800
copy of Hollow Knight.
2036
01:07:56,133 --> 01:07:57,866
Yeah, it was from the Indie box.
2037
01:07:57,900 --> 01:07:59,033
Do you guys remember Indie box?
2038
01:08:00,099 --> 01:08:01,500
Not really. Not really.
2039
01:08:01,766 --> 01:08:03,566
Do you know it was it
2040
01:08:03,566 --> 01:08:05,000
was cool. That's sick.
2041
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:07,766
They don't. It was like the prototype of.
2042
01:08:08,766 --> 01:08:09,900
What's the what's the one now?
2043
01:08:10,566 --> 01:08:12,766
Like limited run games. Right. Right.
2044
01:08:13,066 --> 01:08:14,099
But they had they had a
2045
01:08:14,099 --> 01:08:15,233
bunch of feelings in it.
2046
01:08:15,599 --> 01:08:18,266
And so I'm a huge Hollow Knight fan.
2047
01:08:19,166 --> 01:08:20,366
And I really want to play it.
2048
01:08:20,366 --> 01:08:21,366
I just haven't had time yet.
2049
01:08:21,933 --> 01:08:23,166
I wonder if they have anything like that
2050
01:08:23,166 --> 01:08:24,233
for Silksong, though.
2051
01:08:24,899 --> 01:08:25,733
I doubt it.
2052
01:08:26,633 --> 01:08:28,233
Not not yet anyway.
2053
01:08:29,133 --> 01:08:30,533
Fair enough. They were too busy
2054
01:08:30,533 --> 01:08:31,699
developing the game and not
2055
01:08:31,699 --> 01:08:33,033
doing any of the marketing.
2056
01:08:33,766 --> 01:08:34,100
Mm hmm.
2057
01:08:34,633 --> 01:08:36,133
They were building hype for marketing.
2058
01:08:36,133 --> 01:08:37,266
That's that's really what it was.
2059
01:08:37,966 --> 01:08:39,233
They had the most powerful.
2060
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:41,233
They had the most powerful
2061
01:08:41,233 --> 01:08:43,166
marketing campaign since like
2062
01:08:43,666 --> 01:08:45,266
Zack's night, the Snyder Cut.
2063
01:08:45,466 --> 01:08:47,066
You guys remember that? Oh, yeah.
2064
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:51,566
The people were like harassing like the
2065
01:08:51,566 --> 01:08:53,600
chat like we're Silksong.
2066
01:08:54,766 --> 01:08:56,733
Yeah, that that was insane.
2067
01:08:56,733 --> 01:08:59,833
Just no matter what Nintendo Direct state
2068
01:08:59,833 --> 01:09:01,533
of play, Xbox, whatever.
2069
01:09:01,533 --> 01:09:03,433
Just like Silksong, Silksong, Silksong.
2070
01:09:04,333 --> 01:09:05,466
And I did see I forgot
2071
01:09:05,466 --> 01:09:07,166
which which YouTube was,
2072
01:09:07,166 --> 01:09:08,833
but I did see like a cartoon
2073
01:09:08,833 --> 01:09:10,033
or a short or something like,
2074
01:09:10,033 --> 01:09:10,933
what is the game we're
2075
01:09:10,933 --> 01:09:11,766
going to talk about now?
2076
01:09:12,066 --> 01:09:16,066
Now that like Silksong's out half way.
2077
01:09:16,833 --> 01:09:17,766
That's true. It's going
2078
01:09:17,766 --> 01:09:18,566
to be half life three.
2079
01:09:19,699 --> 01:09:20,133
They're going to go
2080
01:09:20,133 --> 01:09:21,233
back to half life three.
2081
01:09:21,633 --> 01:09:22,399
It's going to be even
2082
01:09:22,399 --> 01:09:24,433
longer wait than Silksong. Yeah.
2083
01:09:25,366 --> 01:09:26,866
I know. We'll see. Steam frame.
2084
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:31,699
But like. Yeah, man.
2085
01:09:32,266 --> 01:09:34,466
I mean, so songs out.
2086
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:36,933
It's here and it's actually in the game.
2087
01:09:36,933 --> 01:09:37,966
People are actually hyped up for.
2088
01:09:38,500 --> 01:09:39,899
Imagine how catastrophic it would have
2089
01:09:39,899 --> 01:09:41,199
been if Silksong sucked.
2090
01:09:43,500 --> 01:09:45,533
Yeah, like obviously it doesn't suck.
2091
01:09:46,300 --> 01:09:47,666
But just imagine that
2092
01:09:47,666 --> 01:09:48,266
would have been wild.
2093
01:09:48,500 --> 01:09:49,199
That would have been like
2094
01:09:49,199 --> 01:09:50,500
Duke Nukem, Duke Nukem Forever.
2095
01:09:52,533 --> 01:09:53,866
Yeah, people are very
2096
01:09:53,866 --> 01:09:54,933
upset about that one.
2097
01:09:55,399 --> 01:09:58,266
So I do not do well
2098
01:09:58,266 --> 01:09:58,966
with that type of pressure.
2099
01:09:58,966 --> 01:10:00,000
I would not be the developers.
2100
01:10:00,266 --> 01:10:01,100
Honestly, how long
2101
01:10:01,100 --> 01:10:01,866
they took and everything.
2102
01:10:01,866 --> 01:10:04,166
It's probably would be me because if I
2103
01:10:04,166 --> 01:10:05,066
hit too much of a success,
2104
01:10:05,333 --> 01:10:08,333
then I might even be done trying to
2105
01:10:08,333 --> 01:10:10,100
release something like that
2106
01:10:10,100 --> 01:10:11,199
would give me too much anxiety.
2107
01:10:11,566 --> 01:10:13,366
Wasn't it like Phil Fish or whatever who
2108
01:10:13,366 --> 01:10:14,233
like noped out of the
2109
01:10:14,233 --> 01:10:15,166
game as industry after?
2110
01:10:16,133 --> 01:10:18,233
Yeah, he canceled Fez to.
2111
01:10:18,300 --> 01:10:19,033
Yeah, but people were
2112
01:10:19,033 --> 01:10:20,733
really toxic, to be honest.
2113
01:10:21,333 --> 01:10:23,166
But Phil Fish is also kind of mean to.
2114
01:10:24,666 --> 01:10:28,666
Yeah, he he he was, but I do think I
2115
01:10:28,666 --> 01:10:30,333
mean, I find that for some reason,
2116
01:10:30,333 --> 01:10:32,866
that whole Phil Fish saga is fascinating.
2117
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:38,066
I think, yeah, like if he had just not
2118
01:10:38,066 --> 01:10:39,300
been in the public and just,
2119
01:10:39,300 --> 01:10:41,566
you know, made his games like it would
2120
01:10:41,566 --> 01:10:42,666
have been better for everybody.
2121
01:10:42,666 --> 01:10:45,966
But I think everybody was was both Phil
2122
01:10:45,966 --> 01:10:47,066
Fish and people
2123
01:10:47,066 --> 01:10:48,699
against them were very toxic.
2124
01:10:49,733 --> 01:10:50,966
That was kind of sad, too, because I
2125
01:10:50,966 --> 01:10:52,100
actually really liked Fez.
2126
01:10:52,933 --> 01:10:56,466
Me too. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
2127
01:10:56,466 --> 01:10:58,566
Yeah, you guys, you
2128
01:10:58,566 --> 01:10:59,433
know who I don't like?
2129
01:11:00,566 --> 01:11:01,766
Oh, Google.
2130
01:11:04,066 --> 01:11:04,633
Well done.
2131
01:11:07,399 --> 01:11:10,933
Google, man, the Google versus USA.
2132
01:11:12,733 --> 01:11:14,033
Google is a monopoly, but
2133
01:11:14,033 --> 01:11:15,233
we'll continue to stay as one.
2134
01:11:16,233 --> 01:11:18,399
Well, this is crazy.
2135
01:11:19,133 --> 01:11:19,433
High tech.
2136
01:11:20,133 --> 01:11:20,666
Do you have some
2137
01:11:20,666 --> 01:11:21,566
stuff for us on this one?
2138
01:11:22,300 --> 01:11:23,933
Yes, so it's I mean,
2139
01:11:24,433 --> 01:11:27,866
Judge Ahmed Mehta a couple of months ago
2140
01:11:27,866 --> 01:11:29,533
determined that I think maybe
2141
01:11:29,533 --> 01:11:31,166
even a few years ago, determined that
2142
01:11:31,166 --> 01:11:32,566
Google was a monopoly.
2143
01:11:33,666 --> 01:11:34,466
Like it even says in
2144
01:11:34,466 --> 01:11:35,566
the article one year ago,
2145
01:11:35,766 --> 01:11:38,366
he ruled that Google held held an illegal
2146
01:11:38,366 --> 01:11:40,333
monopoly in Internet search.
2147
01:11:41,166 --> 01:11:43,000
But instead of doing anything, they kind
2148
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:44,066
of just got a slap on the wrist.
2149
01:11:45,466 --> 01:11:48,066
So basically they can keep both.
2150
01:11:48,399 --> 01:11:52,199
They can keep Google and Android and they
2151
01:11:52,199 --> 01:11:53,066
can keep paying Mozilla
2152
01:11:53,266 --> 01:11:54,233
to be the default search
2153
01:11:54,233 --> 01:11:55,933
engine and Apple as well.
2154
01:11:57,633 --> 01:11:59,066
So like they can keep
2155
01:11:59,066 --> 01:12:00,066
their monopoly, basically.
2156
01:12:02,166 --> 01:12:04,633
Yeah, and Google is
2157
01:12:04,633 --> 01:12:06,199
especially like, well, ABC,
2158
01:12:07,300 --> 01:12:10,300
right, is especially a monopoly because
2159
01:12:10,300 --> 01:12:11,600
of how many different markets
2160
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:12,566
they really tackle
2161
01:12:12,566 --> 01:12:14,466
and that they influence.
2162
01:12:15,733 --> 01:12:17,333
So it brings some synergy.
2163
01:12:17,833 --> 01:12:21,100
But Google is obviously
2164
01:12:21,100 --> 01:12:22,633
showing like a lot of like,
2165
01:12:23,100 --> 01:12:24,533
did you guys talk about Android being
2166
01:12:24,533 --> 01:12:25,800
pretty much closed source now?
2167
01:12:26,033 --> 01:12:26,933
Oh, shit, I forgot
2168
01:12:26,933 --> 01:12:27,966
about that one last year.
2169
01:12:28,300 --> 01:12:29,833
Last week. That is
2170
01:12:31,199 --> 01:12:33,033
I honestly, I was kind of shocked that
2171
01:12:33,033 --> 01:12:33,633
you guys didn't cover.
2172
01:12:34,733 --> 01:12:36,800
I forgot to be honest.
2173
01:12:37,300 --> 01:12:38,199
I was going to put it this
2174
01:12:38,199 --> 01:12:39,333
week, too, but I also forgot.
2175
01:12:39,966 --> 01:12:41,100
Because you can't side load.
2176
01:12:42,033 --> 01:12:43,933
Yeah, that's going to kill Android.
2177
01:12:43,966 --> 01:12:44,766
I don't know what's going to like.
2178
01:12:45,633 --> 01:12:46,633
There's also a lot of it.
2179
01:12:46,833 --> 01:12:47,666
There's two options.
2180
01:12:49,933 --> 01:12:52,899
Did you get the Libram five? Come on.
2181
01:12:53,733 --> 01:12:55,266
That's true. No, no, that's the thing.
2182
01:12:55,266 --> 01:12:56,199
And I was also curious,
2183
01:12:56,199 --> 01:12:57,266
Gardner, what are you going to do?
2184
01:12:57,566 --> 01:12:58,533
Are you going to be?
2185
01:13:00,133 --> 01:13:03,000
Well, that's a great question.
2186
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:04,866
I have no idea what I'm going to do.
2187
01:13:05,366 --> 01:13:07,033
If I can't side load, you might as well
2188
01:13:07,033 --> 01:13:07,966
just go back to Apple.
2189
01:13:08,933 --> 01:13:09,733
Apparently Apple lets
2190
01:13:09,733 --> 01:13:11,133
you side load in Europe.
2191
01:13:11,233 --> 01:13:12,766
Well, you still have to be a registered
2192
01:13:12,766 --> 01:13:14,266
developer to side load on Apple.
2193
01:13:14,666 --> 01:13:15,866
Like, like, that's the whole thing is
2194
01:13:15,866 --> 01:13:17,033
like you can side load
2195
01:13:19,333 --> 01:13:21,966
on Google, but you have to like get a
2196
01:13:21,966 --> 01:13:23,566
signature from Google. Right.
2197
01:13:23,833 --> 01:13:26,033
Like that's the problem.
2198
01:13:26,033 --> 01:13:28,500
It's like they are now like fully in
2199
01:13:28,500 --> 01:13:30,533
control of the entire ecosystem.
2200
01:13:30,866 --> 01:13:32,133
Or they will be when,
2201
01:13:32,133 --> 01:13:33,399
you know, in a year or so,
2202
01:13:33,399 --> 01:13:34,466
whenever this next
2203
01:13:34,466 --> 01:13:35,566
version of Android launches.
2204
01:13:36,333 --> 01:13:38,233
And so the issue is,
2205
01:13:38,233 --> 01:13:40,866
you know, we need like
2206
01:13:41,566 --> 01:13:44,033
Linux powered handhelds that don't suck
2207
01:13:45,033 --> 01:13:46,433
that you can, you know, use
2208
01:13:46,433 --> 01:13:47,566
like with a cellular modem.
2209
01:13:48,266 --> 01:13:51,566
The options out there are pretty limited.
2210
01:13:54,233 --> 01:13:55,233
I can see there being a
2211
01:13:55,233 --> 01:13:56,633
growing interest given now,
2212
01:13:56,833 --> 01:13:58,000
you know, given that people were kind of
2213
01:13:58,000 --> 01:13:59,966
content with Android as it was.
2214
01:14:00,566 --> 01:14:03,633
But now, you know, I mean, honestly, like
2215
01:14:03,633 --> 01:14:04,666
the problem that we face
2216
01:14:04,733 --> 01:14:07,566
is that how many people actually side
2217
01:14:07,566 --> 01:14:09,733
load anything like us nerds do.
2218
01:14:10,199 --> 01:14:12,833
But like, you know, the reason that
2219
01:14:12,833 --> 01:14:14,766
Google is putting this in is because
2220
01:14:14,766 --> 01:14:18,566
you know, the people who like the normal
2221
01:14:18,566 --> 01:14:20,966
people out there who do side
2222
01:14:20,966 --> 01:14:22,000
load are usually doing
2223
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:23,199
it and getting viruses,
2224
01:14:23,633 --> 01:14:24,166
at least that's their
2225
01:14:24,166 --> 01:14:25,633
excuse for why they're doing it.
2226
01:14:27,333 --> 01:14:31,300
The fact is, like normal people
2227
01:14:31,866 --> 01:14:35,100
are satisfied with the duopoly ecosystem,
2228
01:14:36,466 --> 01:14:37,633
but people like me,
2229
01:14:38,500 --> 01:14:39,766
who are like enthusiasts,
2230
01:14:40,366 --> 01:14:42,566
people who are like hardware enthusiasts
2231
01:14:43,566 --> 01:14:47,033
and care about like PCs and stuff should
2232
01:14:47,033 --> 01:14:48,733
not be satisfied with this duopoly.
2233
01:14:49,266 --> 01:14:51,333
And there aren't great
2234
01:14:51,333 --> 01:14:53,066
alternatives right now.
2235
01:14:54,566 --> 01:14:56,966
It costs money to make a lot of software,
2236
01:14:57,233 --> 01:14:58,666
like if you to refine it
2237
01:14:58,666 --> 01:15:01,399
to what it is like iOS and Android, it
2238
01:15:01,399 --> 01:15:02,233
takes a lot of money
2239
01:15:02,233 --> 01:15:03,633
or a lot of manpower, I should say.
2240
01:15:04,266 --> 01:15:06,733
And so I think we could get it on Linux.
2241
01:15:07,399 --> 01:15:08,766
It's just we're so far away.
2242
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:11,366
You'd have to fork
2243
01:15:12,399 --> 01:15:14,333
maybe some version of Android that you're
2244
01:15:14,333 --> 01:15:16,633
allowed to to be, I don't know.
2245
01:15:18,233 --> 01:15:18,466
Yeah.
2246
01:15:19,766 --> 01:15:20,699
I think drivers are
2247
01:15:20,699 --> 01:15:22,033
also a major concern with
2248
01:15:23,399 --> 01:15:25,366
Linux as well, because a lot of the
2249
01:15:25,366 --> 01:15:26,766
really good Android phones
2250
01:15:26,766 --> 01:15:27,899
don't have open drivers
2251
01:15:27,899 --> 01:15:29,199
like I don't think you can.
2252
01:15:29,199 --> 01:15:31,666
I don't think there are like open drivers
2253
01:15:31,666 --> 01:15:33,166
like any of the Qualcomm ones.
2254
01:15:34,199 --> 01:15:35,266
The thing is drivers
2255
01:15:35,266 --> 01:15:37,966
aren't that big of a deal
2256
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:40,533
because the Linux kernel allows like just
2257
01:15:40,533 --> 01:15:43,000
binary only drivers to be integrated.
2258
01:15:43,666 --> 01:15:46,366
And so like you can like you
2259
01:15:46,366 --> 01:15:48,033
can install like, you know,
2260
01:15:48,166 --> 01:15:52,266
AOSP based Android ROM on most devices
2261
01:15:52,266 --> 01:15:53,333
and they'll just work.
2262
01:15:53,733 --> 01:15:57,533
Sometimes you can't like can't
2263
01:15:57,533 --> 01:16:00,666
extract the drivers from like, you know,
2264
01:16:00,866 --> 01:16:03,033
an OEM build of a ROM
2265
01:16:03,033 --> 01:16:05,399
or whatever, but most of the time, like
2266
01:16:05,399 --> 01:16:06,633
drivers are included
2267
01:16:06,833 --> 01:16:09,066
in the Linux kernel for most devices.
2268
01:16:10,666 --> 01:16:11,600
But it's still like
2269
01:16:12,733 --> 01:16:13,833
that they might not be
2270
01:16:13,833 --> 01:16:15,033
the most optimized ones.
2271
01:16:15,033 --> 01:16:16,366
They may not be the latest ones.
2272
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:19,300
And you run into lots of
2273
01:16:19,300 --> 01:16:20,466
little weird headaches,
2274
01:16:22,466 --> 01:16:23,966
which is why like flashing
2275
01:16:23,966 --> 01:16:25,533
devices is not popular anymore.
2276
01:16:25,833 --> 01:16:27,966
You know, like also because bootloaders
2277
01:16:27,966 --> 01:16:28,566
are totally locked
2278
01:16:28,566 --> 01:16:29,933
down and Verizon is evil.
2279
01:16:30,233 --> 01:16:30,333
But
2280
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:33,166
yeah, I don't know.
2281
01:16:35,066 --> 01:16:36,300
I don't sideload stuff anymore.
2282
01:16:36,500 --> 01:16:37,399
I used to when I
2283
01:16:37,399 --> 01:16:38,866
tinkered with stuff, but.
2284
01:16:40,100 --> 01:16:42,300
Yeah, I mean, I sideload stuff,
2285
01:16:42,300 --> 01:16:44,399
especially to like do
2286
01:16:44,399 --> 01:16:46,066
local development for Android.
2287
01:16:47,166 --> 01:16:49,133
But I haven't sideloted
2288
01:16:50,266 --> 01:16:51,533
a major application.
2289
01:16:51,933 --> 01:16:53,399
Well, I did actually recently.
2290
01:16:54,233 --> 01:16:55,833
What was it? It was.
2291
01:16:57,233 --> 01:17:00,233
It was.
2292
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:04,366
This this thing called Cleradi, which has
2293
01:17:05,966 --> 01:17:07,866
a bunch of applications
2294
01:17:07,866 --> 01:17:09,633
like and Revolt is one of them,
2295
01:17:11,366 --> 01:17:12,399
which is like an open
2296
01:17:12,399 --> 01:17:13,866
source alternative to Discord.
2297
01:17:15,333 --> 01:17:16,533
For Android, do we know
2298
01:17:16,533 --> 01:17:18,333
if they're going to like,
2299
01:17:19,133 --> 01:17:21,433
you can enable developer mode or
2300
01:17:21,433 --> 01:17:22,166
something like that?
2301
01:17:23,233 --> 01:17:24,833
Has that been ruled out at this point?
2302
01:17:26,366 --> 01:17:27,966
I haven't heard anything about it.
2303
01:17:28,033 --> 01:17:29,033
No, you'd have to.
2304
01:17:29,133 --> 01:17:30,000
You'd have to be able to
2305
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:31,533
do a developer mode, but
2306
01:17:32,533 --> 01:17:35,166
it's going to still be locked down to
2307
01:17:35,166 --> 01:17:36,933
where you might be able to.
2308
01:17:36,933 --> 01:17:39,733
You might be able to sideload as a
2309
01:17:39,733 --> 01:17:41,733
developer, maybe, because like,
2310
01:17:41,733 --> 01:17:43,266
I'm curious how this would work, because
2311
01:17:43,266 --> 01:17:46,699
you with Android, you sign things with
2312
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:50,333
a key that you create on your device and
2313
01:17:50,333 --> 01:17:51,666
then you keep track of that.
2314
01:17:53,100 --> 01:17:53,966
Sounds like they're going to.
2315
01:17:54,333 --> 01:17:55,533
And then you can upload it
2316
01:17:55,533 --> 01:17:57,066
to the store and all that.
2317
01:17:57,800 --> 01:17:59,066
Where iOS is the opposite.
2318
01:17:59,300 --> 01:18:00,833
You have to get credentials and
2319
01:18:00,833 --> 01:18:03,466
everything to sign it from iOS.
2320
01:18:04,199 --> 01:18:05,066
I wonder if it's going
2321
01:18:05,066 --> 01:18:06,366
to be something like that.
2322
01:18:06,366 --> 01:18:09,366
You can only sideload unsigned code over
2323
01:18:09,366 --> 01:18:11,666
ADB or something like that.
2324
01:18:11,666 --> 01:18:12,866
Might be the only way
2325
01:18:12,866 --> 01:18:14,300
that they'll allow it.
2326
01:18:14,466 --> 01:18:16,766
And that way, but I don't know for sure.
2327
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:18,366
That's just my thought. Yeah.
2328
01:18:19,699 --> 01:18:21,566
Or maybe they'll just or maybe you have
2329
01:18:21,566 --> 01:18:22,766
to pay a developer license,
2330
01:18:22,766 --> 01:18:25,066
kind of like what you do with an Xbox
2331
01:18:25,066 --> 01:18:26,466
where you can pay twenty dollars
2332
01:18:26,566 --> 01:18:27,933
for a developer license and you can
2333
01:18:27,933 --> 01:18:29,233
sideload emulators and shit.
2334
01:18:30,399 --> 01:18:31,266
But you're like in a
2335
01:18:31,266 --> 01:18:33,500
limited like OS version, right?
2336
01:18:35,333 --> 01:18:36,966
Yeah, I definitely don't see
2337
01:18:36,966 --> 01:18:37,966
how they're going to prevent
2338
01:18:38,066 --> 01:18:40,066
sideloading completely if
2339
01:18:40,066 --> 01:18:41,633
you going the developer out
2340
01:18:42,266 --> 01:18:43,833
because like as a like I've
2341
01:18:43,833 --> 01:18:45,133
developed tons of mobile apps
2342
01:18:45,133 --> 01:18:47,733
and that would suck to not be able to
2343
01:18:48,733 --> 01:18:51,433
test that stuff out before all that.
2344
01:18:51,433 --> 01:18:53,266
Well, I'm thinking well, I think the real
2345
01:18:53,266 --> 01:18:54,566
reason why they're doing this, though.
2346
01:18:54,633 --> 01:18:57,166
I mean, we we say it's for security, but
2347
01:18:57,166 --> 01:18:58,166
I think the real reason is
2348
01:18:58,166 --> 01:19:00,100
because they want to go after like the
2349
01:19:00,100 --> 01:19:01,866
alternative YouTube clients
2350
01:19:01,866 --> 01:19:03,066
that shall not be named.
2351
01:19:03,500 --> 01:19:05,933
Hmm. Yes, yes.
2352
01:19:05,933 --> 01:19:06,666
You know what you see where
2353
01:19:06,666 --> 01:19:07,466
I'm going with this, right?
2354
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:09,633
Yeah. The alternative YouTube clients
2355
01:19:09,633 --> 01:19:10,833
that let you watch videos
2356
01:19:10,833 --> 01:19:12,033
that free on YouTube.
2357
01:19:13,833 --> 01:19:15,933
And we download videos without actually
2358
01:19:15,933 --> 01:19:18,033
being a YouTube premium subscriber.
2359
01:19:18,633 --> 01:19:19,833
Yes. And also play
2360
01:19:19,833 --> 01:19:20,600
videos in the background
2361
01:19:21,333 --> 01:19:23,199
without being a YouTube video, without
2362
01:19:23,199 --> 01:19:24,733
being a YouTube premium subscriber.
2363
01:19:26,033 --> 01:19:27,133
And it's in.
2364
01:19:27,433 --> 01:19:28,233
I mean, to be honest,
2365
01:19:28,633 --> 01:19:29,833
they've been monetized.
2366
01:19:30,333 --> 01:19:31,899
They've been trying to over monetize the
2367
01:19:31,899 --> 01:19:32,766
hell out of YouTube.
2368
01:19:33,666 --> 01:19:35,666
They've added so many so much bullshit
2369
01:19:35,666 --> 01:19:37,633
that they can take a cut from.
2370
01:19:37,633 --> 01:19:38,666
Like, for example, tagging
2371
01:19:38,666 --> 01:19:40,800
products on YouTube directly.
2372
01:19:41,466 --> 01:19:43,100
They most certainly get a cut from that.
2373
01:19:43,233 --> 01:19:44,666
Yeah. And also they get
2374
01:19:44,666 --> 01:19:45,899
a cut from everything.
2375
01:19:46,533 --> 01:19:48,633
If you see and they complain sometimes
2376
01:19:48,633 --> 01:19:49,666
that they're not making enough.
2377
01:19:49,699 --> 01:19:50,733
And this is every company.
2378
01:19:51,333 --> 01:19:53,133
If you go see what their revenue is, it's
2379
01:19:53,133 --> 01:19:54,899
it's fucking crazy high.
2380
01:19:55,433 --> 01:19:57,733
It is. They have no room to complain.
2381
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:01,133
Honestly, looking at it, I think creators
2382
01:20:01,133 --> 01:20:02,399
are getting screwed over
2383
01:20:02,466 --> 01:20:05,366
more than anything. Yes. I think so, too.
2384
01:20:05,533 --> 01:20:07,033
I mean, this time last
2385
01:20:07,033 --> 01:20:08,533
year, my channel was making like
2386
01:20:08,766 --> 01:20:10,366
fourteen hundred dollars a month.
2387
01:20:10,766 --> 01:20:11,933
And now it's making less than
2388
01:20:11,933 --> 01:20:13,033
six hundred dollars a month.
2389
01:20:13,933 --> 01:20:16,166
And yeah, it's wild.
2390
01:20:17,233 --> 01:20:19,300
It is. They're kind of killing
2391
01:20:19,366 --> 01:20:21,533
the reason to be on it right now.
2392
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:23,033
They make it easy. It's a
2393
01:20:23,033 --> 01:20:23,866
place where everyone goes,
2394
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:26,733
but they are opening up to competition.
2395
01:20:27,133 --> 01:20:28,366
I really think it needs to come.
2396
01:20:28,733 --> 01:20:31,000
But the big question is who the who will
2397
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:33,433
rise up to the challenge daily motion?
2398
01:20:35,266 --> 01:20:39,266
OK, Vimeo. No, no, it's
2399
01:20:39,266 --> 01:20:40,266
going to be something like kick
2400
01:20:40,266 --> 01:20:42,133
that has like unlimited gambling money.
2401
01:20:42,466 --> 01:20:43,566
I don't know. Not kick.
2402
01:20:44,433 --> 01:20:45,433
Well, and it's more streaming.
2403
01:20:45,699 --> 01:20:46,866
It's a competitor for.
2404
01:20:47,766 --> 01:20:49,800
Oh, my gosh, we can get into that. But,
2405
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:52,233
you know, here's the thing.
2406
01:20:52,233 --> 01:20:53,266
Well, I got. Oh, sorry.
2407
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:56,466
The thing is, all of this, like
2408
01:20:56,466 --> 01:20:57,699
everything we're talking about
2409
01:20:58,033 --> 01:20:59,800
is exactly why Google
2410
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:00,833
needs to be broken up.
2411
01:21:01,533 --> 01:21:03,633
Like they are a monopoly and they control
2412
01:21:03,633 --> 01:21:05,500
so many verticals on the Internet
2413
01:21:05,966 --> 01:21:07,266
and even off the Internet.
2414
01:21:07,266 --> 01:21:08,733
I mean, how many Android
2415
01:21:08,733 --> 01:21:10,133
devices do you have in your house?
2416
01:21:10,133 --> 01:21:11,699
I've got probably 20.
2417
01:21:12,199 --> 01:21:13,133
Like I'm not even kidding.
2418
01:21:14,766 --> 01:21:16,033
And that's like not even like spare
2419
01:21:16,033 --> 01:21:17,466
phones or old old phones
2420
01:21:17,466 --> 01:21:18,800
that I've retired. I'm like talking about
2421
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:19,966
I have a tablet here.
2422
01:21:20,300 --> 01:21:21,733
I have another tablet over there. I have
2423
01:21:21,733 --> 01:21:23,933
like an Nvidia Shield.
2424
01:21:24,466 --> 01:21:25,366
Tons of stuff, right?
2425
01:21:26,533 --> 01:21:29,533
Yeah, but Judge Ameta says that it would
2426
01:21:29,533 --> 01:21:31,233
be too hard to break up
2427
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:35,100
the Google because it'll be catastrophic
2428
01:21:35,100 --> 01:21:37,033
or some bullshit like that.
2429
01:21:37,033 --> 01:21:38,333
Too big to fail, right?
2430
01:21:38,566 --> 01:21:40,666
Too big to if it fails, then like the
2431
01:21:40,666 --> 01:21:42,100
Internet will go down or some bullshit.
2432
01:21:42,566 --> 01:21:45,133
Yeah, no, it's it's got to be some type
2433
01:21:45,133 --> 01:21:46,333
of money or something.
2434
01:21:46,833 --> 01:21:48,833
Speaking of which, I remember a couple.
2435
01:21:49,433 --> 01:21:50,500
I don't know if it was like a year or two
2436
01:21:50,500 --> 01:21:51,699
ago, but I remember Amazon
2437
01:21:51,699 --> 01:21:54,466
tried to go after people's sponsorships
2438
01:21:54,466 --> 01:21:56,633
for like sponsored streams and shit.
2439
01:21:57,199 --> 01:21:58,300
They wanted a cut of that
2440
01:21:58,300 --> 01:22:00,666
shit and people did not take it.
2441
01:22:00,933 --> 01:22:01,766
Oh, yeah, that's familiar.
2442
01:22:02,366 --> 01:22:03,300
But it sounds like Google.
2443
01:22:03,933 --> 01:22:05,466
I mean, Google is
2444
01:22:05,466 --> 01:22:06,433
probably going to do that next.
2445
01:22:06,766 --> 01:22:08,866
They're going to try to go after people's
2446
01:22:08,866 --> 01:22:13,133
people, the Nvidia sponsorships and.
2447
01:22:13,266 --> 01:22:16,366
I they're going to honestly,
2448
01:22:16,366 --> 01:22:18,199
that will be probably a catalyst
2449
01:22:18,666 --> 01:22:20,166
for people to do try to do
2450
01:22:20,166 --> 01:22:21,333
more and more away from it.
2451
01:22:22,233 --> 01:22:23,933
Honestly, I think one thing that creators
2452
01:22:23,933 --> 01:22:26,366
could do is start promoting their
2453
01:22:28,166 --> 01:22:29,833
start like utilizing, let's say, even
2454
01:22:29,833 --> 01:22:31,633
Patreon like, hey, you have a free tier.
2455
01:22:31,633 --> 01:22:33,033
They can go subscribe and watch you there
2456
01:22:34,166 --> 01:22:35,833
and start promoting that more.
2457
01:22:36,199 --> 01:22:38,166
The problem with stuff like Patreon is
2458
01:22:38,166 --> 01:22:38,966
they don't have feeds
2459
01:22:38,966 --> 01:22:40,633
to where you can naturally find stuff.
2460
01:22:41,166 --> 01:22:42,866
And that's where YouTube kind of wins
2461
01:22:42,866 --> 01:22:44,933
right now is it has ways
2462
01:22:45,399 --> 01:22:46,933
has a discoverability, which is
2463
01:22:46,933 --> 01:22:50,166
important, but it's become dark patterns.
2464
01:22:50,399 --> 01:22:51,333
Right. And so, yeah.
2465
01:22:51,566 --> 01:22:52,733
Well, the problem is
2466
01:22:52,733 --> 01:22:55,233
platforms like that's the problem.
2467
01:22:55,466 --> 01:22:58,800
Like we, you know, oh, my space sucks.
2468
01:22:58,800 --> 01:22:59,800
So let's go over to Facebook.
2469
01:23:00,100 --> 01:23:00,966
Oh, Facebook sucks.
2470
01:23:01,266 --> 01:23:02,133
Well, too, too late.
2471
01:23:02,366 --> 01:23:03,666
Facebook controls everything, right?
2472
01:23:04,133 --> 01:23:08,033
It's like if you really want to have like
2473
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:09,766
the intellectual
2474
01:23:09,766 --> 01:23:13,333
freedom to go around and like
2475
01:23:14,133 --> 01:23:17,266
enjoy like a diversity of opinion and
2476
01:23:18,366 --> 01:23:19,433
whatever else that the
2477
01:23:19,433 --> 01:23:20,766
Internet was supposed to bring,
2478
01:23:21,666 --> 01:23:22,833
you have to use things
2479
01:23:22,833 --> 01:23:23,833
that are open source.
2480
01:23:24,633 --> 01:23:26,166
The Fedverse, the Fedverse, the Fedverse.
2481
01:23:26,866 --> 01:23:30,566
Here's the problem partially is that a
2482
01:23:30,566 --> 01:23:32,166
lot of the Fedverse stuff is
2483
01:23:32,166 --> 01:23:36,933
you X, Y isn't quite quite up to par.
2484
01:23:36,933 --> 01:23:37,933
I agree. Is my opinion.
2485
01:23:37,966 --> 01:23:41,500
Yeah. And so we need you got to have like
2486
01:23:41,500 --> 01:23:43,000
a big drive from a lot of developers
2487
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:45,800
or a lot of people to invest more into.
2488
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:47,600
And that's a hard part right now. Right.
2489
01:23:47,866 --> 01:23:50,266
Well, also like we the Fedverse is
2490
01:23:50,266 --> 01:23:52,199
competing with the dark patterns
2491
01:23:52,199 --> 01:23:53,533
that you were talking about. Right.
2492
01:23:53,633 --> 01:23:55,166
It's like you're not wrong. Yeah.
2493
01:23:55,433 --> 01:23:57,266
Yeah. It's like people expect to have
2494
01:23:57,266 --> 01:23:58,933
everything easy and instantly.
2495
01:23:59,399 --> 01:24:01,300
And that shouldn't be how
2496
01:24:01,300 --> 01:24:02,566
you find your entertainment.
2497
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:03,633
That shouldn't be how
2498
01:24:03,633 --> 01:24:05,033
you engage with people.
2499
01:24:05,533 --> 01:24:06,633
It shouldn't be easy. Right.
2500
01:24:06,666 --> 01:24:08,266
Like the reason that we
2501
01:24:08,266 --> 01:24:09,866
break, we used to break up
2502
01:24:10,466 --> 01:24:12,100
monopolies isn't because it was easy.
2503
01:24:12,100 --> 01:24:14,166
It's because it's as necessity.
2504
01:24:14,966 --> 01:24:16,733
It's like, do you think Michelangelo was
2505
01:24:16,733 --> 01:24:18,766
like, here's a block of marble.
2506
01:24:19,166 --> 01:24:19,899
It's going to be too hard
2507
01:24:19,899 --> 01:24:21,066
to sculpt David, though.
2508
01:24:22,033 --> 01:24:23,966
No, dude, like if we want a
2509
01:24:23,966 --> 01:24:26,833
society to sculpt this for me.
2510
01:24:27,033 --> 01:24:29,333
Yeah, dude, if we want a culture that's
2511
01:24:29,333 --> 01:24:31,100
worth living in, worth experiencing,
2512
01:24:32,199 --> 01:24:34,600
worth enjoying, then we have to work
2513
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:37,966
collectively to make it that way.
2514
01:24:37,966 --> 01:24:40,733
Because if we don't work collectively to
2515
01:24:40,733 --> 01:24:42,866
improve the conditions that we're living
2516
01:24:42,933 --> 01:24:45,466
in, then it will go to shit and the worst
2517
01:24:45,466 --> 01:24:46,533
people will be in charge.
2518
01:24:48,333 --> 01:24:50,000
I the only way you do this is government
2519
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:51,466
level, in my opinion.
2520
01:24:51,466 --> 01:24:52,966
Yeah, I agree. That's what I
2521
01:24:52,966 --> 01:24:54,333
was going to say is that like
2522
01:24:54,733 --> 01:24:56,000
Fedverse is cool, right?
2523
01:24:56,266 --> 01:24:57,166
I actually don't know
2524
01:24:57,166 --> 01:24:57,933
nothing about Fedverse.
2525
01:24:57,933 --> 01:24:59,833
My point is who my point is.
2526
01:25:00,466 --> 01:25:01,866
We need regulation, right?
2527
01:25:02,033 --> 01:25:03,533
Like I'm a big fan of regulation.
2528
01:25:04,466 --> 01:25:06,233
I think like some people are like, no,
2529
01:25:06,233 --> 01:25:07,633
let's just everything is
2530
01:25:07,633 --> 01:25:09,333
free market or whatever.
2531
01:25:09,333 --> 01:25:13,833
But like clearly you get Google, you get
2532
01:25:13,833 --> 01:25:15,866
Alphabet, you get all sorts of
2533
01:25:15,866 --> 01:25:18,033
and then like, you know, like dynamic
2534
01:25:18,033 --> 01:25:19,466
pricing is something that like
2535
01:25:19,766 --> 01:25:22,166
we're seeing more of in physical stores.
2536
01:25:23,266 --> 01:25:25,066
But certainly we see it online.
2537
01:25:25,533 --> 01:25:26,866
And that's something that used to be
2538
01:25:26,866 --> 01:25:27,866
called price gouging.
2539
01:25:28,166 --> 01:25:30,366
And like and used to be illegal.
2540
01:25:31,699 --> 01:25:33,500
And somehow, you know, we have these.
2541
01:25:35,566 --> 01:25:37,866
Ways of bypassing those laws, they call
2542
01:25:37,866 --> 01:25:40,266
it dynamic pricing, personalized pricing.
2543
01:25:40,266 --> 01:25:41,566
Now, by the way, right.
2544
01:25:41,766 --> 01:25:42,933
Personalized pricing. Exactly.
2545
01:25:43,633 --> 01:25:46,699
Dude, I was on I was like looking for a
2546
01:25:46,699 --> 01:25:49,033
new Zigbee controller from my home lab.
2547
01:25:49,033 --> 01:25:52,399
Right. And I went on.
2548
01:25:53,733 --> 01:25:55,733
I was like looking at this website and it
2549
01:25:55,733 --> 01:25:57,133
had lists of all the things that were
2550
01:25:57,166 --> 01:25:59,066
compatible with Zigbee to MQTT.
2551
01:25:59,666 --> 01:26:00,566
Sorry, that's the road
2552
01:26:00,566 --> 01:26:03,566
beside my house Zigbee to MQTT.
2553
01:26:03,566 --> 01:26:04,966
Right. They were referencing all these
2554
01:26:04,966 --> 01:26:06,333
different controllers I could buy.
2555
01:26:06,333 --> 01:26:08,833
And I clicked the link to Alibaba.
2556
01:26:09,133 --> 01:26:11,433
Right. And it was twelve dollars and 70
2557
01:26:11,433 --> 01:26:13,666
cents for this controller that I wanted.
2558
01:26:14,033 --> 01:26:16,733
And I logged in and then it was suddenly
2559
01:26:16,733 --> 01:26:19,333
17 dollars and 53 cents.
2560
01:26:19,333 --> 01:26:20,500
And I was like, oh, that's fun.
2561
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:23,100
I added it to my cart and the price went
2562
01:26:23,100 --> 01:26:26,433
from 17 dollars to 22 dollars before
2563
01:26:26,533 --> 01:26:28,766
shipping. Mm hmm.
2564
01:26:28,966 --> 01:26:31,266
That's what I'm not kidding, dude.
2565
01:26:31,399 --> 01:26:32,833
Yeah, this personalized.
2566
01:26:33,199 --> 01:26:35,500
It's personalized, double personalized.
2567
01:26:36,933 --> 01:26:39,066
Jesus. What's your name?
2568
01:26:39,066 --> 01:26:40,333
Oh, wait. Well, let's check your.
2569
01:26:40,333 --> 01:26:42,666
Oh, you you have a YouTube channel.
2570
01:26:42,666 --> 01:26:43,966
OK, yeah, let's keep up in this.
2571
01:26:44,233 --> 01:26:46,333
You you have a social credit
2572
01:26:46,333 --> 01:26:48,033
score in the negative. Yeah.
2573
01:26:49,533 --> 01:26:50,766
You hate us. Yeah, we're
2574
01:26:50,766 --> 01:26:51,833
going to be charging you more.
2575
01:26:52,466 --> 01:26:54,233
Oh, man. I could.
2576
01:26:54,233 --> 01:26:57,033
This is we.
2577
01:26:57,133 --> 01:26:58,733
Yeah, it's just not going to get fixed
2578
01:26:58,733 --> 01:26:59,633
without governmental.
2579
01:27:00,366 --> 01:27:02,300
Yeah, but the government fucking let
2580
01:27:02,300 --> 01:27:03,699
Google keep their monopoly, though.
2581
01:27:03,699 --> 01:27:04,966
That's the other issue, too.
2582
01:27:05,633 --> 01:27:06,533
Well, I mean, they should
2583
01:27:06,533 --> 01:27:08,800
take this this Amet men,
2584
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:09,966
MIMA guy or whatever and
2585
01:27:09,966 --> 01:27:11,933
get him, you know, I met him.
2586
01:27:12,366 --> 01:27:13,633
His last name is Matt, dude.
2587
01:27:13,933 --> 01:27:14,766
Obviously. Oh, yeah.
2588
01:27:15,666 --> 01:27:17,333
Oh, I mean, yeah. Yeah.
2589
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:18,466
Oh, my gosh.
2590
01:27:19,433 --> 01:27:21,000
So the 90s was able to break.
2591
01:27:21,233 --> 01:27:22,166
So who was in charge of
2592
01:27:22,166 --> 01:27:23,100
the 90s and stuff like that?
2593
01:27:23,366 --> 01:27:26,233
Microsoft. Microsoft got broken up.
2594
01:27:26,833 --> 01:27:27,433
Administration is going
2595
01:27:27,433 --> 01:27:28,333
to help with this, too.
2596
01:27:28,433 --> 01:27:31,233
And yeah, they got split in half.
2597
01:27:31,233 --> 01:27:33,166
They didn't. They didn't.
2598
01:27:33,166 --> 01:27:36,466
No, I thought they were forced to remove,
2599
01:27:37,199 --> 01:27:38,966
give other options for
2600
01:27:38,966 --> 01:27:41,133
internet browsers on Windows.
2601
01:27:41,366 --> 01:27:43,433
But I don't remember. Yeah, you're right.
2602
01:27:43,933 --> 01:27:46,666
Yeah. No, it was right.
2603
01:27:47,300 --> 01:27:48,166
I was going to say the phone
2604
01:27:48,166 --> 01:27:49,633
company that was 80s, right?
2605
01:27:49,633 --> 01:27:50,933
Yes. Bell Atlantic. Yeah.
2606
01:27:51,366 --> 01:27:53,233
Yeah. We started to get
2607
01:27:53,233 --> 01:27:55,800
somewhere and now it's a I.
2608
01:27:57,066 --> 01:27:57,733
We can get there.
2609
01:27:58,166 --> 01:27:58,633
It's just going to be a
2610
01:27:58,633 --> 01:27:59,933
rough few years right now
2611
01:27:59,933 --> 01:28:01,466
because every every business is going to
2612
01:28:01,466 --> 01:28:02,600
be allowed to do whatever they want,
2613
01:28:03,833 --> 01:28:07,666
which is bad because they have not your
2614
01:28:07,666 --> 01:28:09,533
interest in mind, by the way.
2615
01:28:10,333 --> 01:28:15,800
So. All I know is I don't touch
2616
01:28:16,166 --> 01:28:17,733
meta stuff just to go back to that. I
2617
01:28:17,733 --> 01:28:18,433
don't touch Facebook.
2618
01:28:18,733 --> 01:28:20,733
So at least it's
2619
01:28:20,733 --> 01:28:21,766
working for me for someone.
2620
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:24,100
I only have Instagram.
2621
01:28:24,166 --> 01:28:26,666
It's both marketplace, to be honest.
2622
01:28:28,133 --> 01:28:31,666
I can't. I I think I'm off everything
2623
01:28:31,666 --> 01:28:33,233
except YouTube at this point.
2624
01:28:34,033 --> 01:28:36,733
I mean, I mean, I should be on.
2625
01:28:36,733 --> 01:28:37,466
I mean, I should be off
2626
01:28:37,466 --> 01:28:39,133
everything, too. But like.
2627
01:28:40,166 --> 01:28:41,633
You can't as a content creator, it's
2628
01:28:41,633 --> 01:28:43,333
really hard. Yeah. Yeah.
2629
01:28:44,500 --> 01:28:46,066
Yeah. I mean, I still have my ex account.
2630
01:28:46,133 --> 01:28:47,800
I just have. And this is
2631
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:50,166
this is no longer about like.
2632
01:28:51,166 --> 01:28:51,966
Well, it is about dark
2633
01:28:51,966 --> 01:28:52,899
patterns, but it's not about like
2634
01:28:52,899 --> 01:28:53,866
monopoly and stuff like that.
2635
01:28:53,866 --> 01:28:56,566
It's just that like my life is better
2636
01:28:56,566 --> 01:28:58,033
when I'm not checking
2637
01:28:58,666 --> 01:28:59,966
any of this stuff, right?
2638
01:29:00,533 --> 01:29:02,100
And YouTube, my life is
2639
01:29:02,100 --> 01:29:03,233
better when I'm not like
2640
01:29:03,633 --> 01:29:05,066
mindlessly scrolling through shorts.
2641
01:29:05,066 --> 01:29:07,666
Like if I just use my RSS
2642
01:29:07,666 --> 01:29:09,333
feed and I use my watch later
2643
01:29:09,566 --> 01:29:12,366
and, you know, occasionally go on to the
2644
01:29:12,366 --> 01:29:14,333
discovery to to find something new.
2645
01:29:14,433 --> 01:29:17,766
That that's when, you know, I'm watching
2646
01:29:17,766 --> 01:29:20,166
stuff that I feel best
2647
01:29:20,166 --> 01:29:21,766
about after I've watched it.
2648
01:29:22,399 --> 01:29:25,699
Yeah. I mean, I well, I watch news and
2649
01:29:25,699 --> 01:29:26,533
some entertainment stuff.
2650
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:27,866
That's kind of what I use.
2651
01:29:27,866 --> 01:29:29,399
I use it for TV. But yeah.
2652
01:29:30,300 --> 01:29:31,566
Yeah. YouTube is like my.
2653
01:29:32,833 --> 01:29:35,366
I can't I do Instagram a little bit,
2654
01:29:36,166 --> 01:29:38,366
but I try not to get on there too often.
2655
01:29:39,033 --> 01:29:41,633
And my wife keeps sending me stuff that
2656
01:29:41,633 --> 01:29:42,666
she wants me to look at.
2657
01:29:42,666 --> 01:29:43,333
So it's hard.
2658
01:29:44,033 --> 01:29:45,333
That's true. That no,
2659
01:29:45,333 --> 01:29:46,899
you bring up a good point.
2660
01:29:47,133 --> 01:29:49,000
I do still have Instagram specifically
2661
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:50,399
for anything my wife shares.
2662
01:29:50,666 --> 01:29:54,033
So, you know, that's
2663
01:29:54,033 --> 01:29:54,866
the dark pattern, man.
2664
01:29:55,133 --> 01:29:56,733
I'll tell you what, though, it is really
2665
01:29:56,733 --> 01:29:57,966
hard to run a business
2666
01:29:57,966 --> 01:30:00,033
if you don't have an Instagram account.
2667
01:30:00,466 --> 01:30:01,233
It's really wild.
2668
01:30:01,866 --> 01:30:03,733
Yeah, that is true. Yeah.
2669
01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:06,633
I hate the fact that I have to post my
2670
01:30:06,633 --> 01:30:07,533
videos on Instagram.
2671
01:30:08,633 --> 01:30:10,100
To be fair, I think Instagram is so much
2672
01:30:10,100 --> 01:30:10,866
better than Facebook.
2673
01:30:11,333 --> 01:30:13,000
Every time I go to Facebook, I'm as a
2674
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:13,699
developer, I'm just like
2675
01:30:13,733 --> 01:30:15,866
fuck everything that this is.
2676
01:30:15,866 --> 01:30:16,933
Couldn't you just pawn
2677
01:30:16,933 --> 01:30:18,066
that off on someone else?
2678
01:30:18,633 --> 01:30:20,466
Pawn the Instagram account off on someone
2679
01:30:20,466 --> 01:30:21,666
else and let them manage it.
2680
01:30:21,666 --> 01:30:24,133
If I had the capital to pay somebody to
2681
01:30:24,133 --> 01:30:26,966
my Instagram, I Emily.
2682
01:30:27,899 --> 01:30:29,399
No, she's she's off Instagram.
2683
01:30:29,633 --> 01:30:30,266
She doesn't use her.
2684
01:30:30,466 --> 01:30:31,433
She deleted her
2685
01:30:31,433 --> 01:30:32,800
account, which is awesome.
2686
01:30:33,433 --> 01:30:35,366
And so and I don't want to have to have
2687
01:30:35,366 --> 01:30:36,666
her install it on her phone.
2688
01:30:37,233 --> 01:30:38,766
That's fair enough. That's fair enough.
2689
01:30:39,033 --> 01:30:40,266
At least you can like post
2690
01:30:41,199 --> 01:30:43,833
like stuff from the Web
2691
01:30:43,833 --> 01:30:45,166
client now, which is nice.
2692
01:30:45,466 --> 01:30:46,966
You know, just hire just hire
2693
01:30:46,966 --> 01:30:48,766
a college intern and be like,
2694
01:30:48,866 --> 01:30:49,833
oh, you get paid an
2695
01:30:49,833 --> 01:30:52,466
experience and an exposure. Wow.
2696
01:30:54,066 --> 01:30:54,833
Be an asshole.
2697
01:30:55,033 --> 01:30:56,033
And then you're going to get canceled
2698
01:30:56,033 --> 01:30:57,066
like three years down
2699
01:30:57,066 --> 01:30:58,266
the road because of that.
2700
01:31:01,633 --> 01:31:02,000
No.
2701
01:31:04,566 --> 01:31:06,933
Yeah, it's we got to fix something, but
2702
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:09,066
it sounds OK.
2703
01:31:09,566 --> 01:31:11,733
This next topic, I was
2704
01:31:11,733 --> 01:31:12,766
going to say, it sounds like
2705
01:31:13,566 --> 01:31:15,866
we're fixing the ray tracing issue, but I
2706
01:31:15,866 --> 01:31:17,800
like ray tracing. But
2707
01:31:20,033 --> 01:31:22,266
Battlefield six does not look like it's
2708
01:31:22,266 --> 01:31:23,033
going to have ray tracing
2709
01:31:24,133 --> 01:31:25,733
in it or is just going to
2710
01:31:25,733 --> 01:31:27,366
not be enabled by default.
2711
01:31:27,566 --> 01:31:30,033
Not going to be in the game, nor will it
2712
01:31:30,033 --> 01:31:31,933
be in the game in the future either.
2713
01:31:32,766 --> 01:31:33,666
As of right now.
2714
01:31:34,133 --> 01:31:35,566
Good. So.
2715
01:31:37,266 --> 01:31:38,666
So this is interesting, given that
2716
01:31:38,666 --> 01:31:40,033
Battlefield five, I believe,
2717
01:31:40,033 --> 01:31:41,266
was one of the first games
2718
01:31:41,266 --> 01:31:42,933
to have ray tracing in it.
2719
01:31:43,500 --> 01:31:45,399
It did not help it at all.
2720
01:31:45,666 --> 01:31:47,033
It looked horrible. Yeah.
2721
01:31:47,399 --> 01:31:50,866
Was Battlefield five like the most recent
2722
01:31:50,866 --> 01:31:52,233
version of Frostbite?
2723
01:31:52,500 --> 01:31:55,633
Was it? I think it was. Yes.
2724
01:31:55,866 --> 01:31:59,166
No, Battlefield 25, 2046,
2725
01:31:59,166 --> 01:32:00,399
whatever it was like there's
2726
01:32:00,966 --> 01:32:01,933
that was the last one
2727
01:32:01,933 --> 01:32:02,833
that I'm thinking of.
2728
01:32:02,866 --> 01:32:04,399
Yeah. Battlefield five was
2729
01:32:05,133 --> 01:32:07,933
back when the 2000 series came out. Yeah.
2730
01:32:08,066 --> 01:32:10,133
And it was the first it was the first
2731
01:32:10,133 --> 01:32:11,500
game to really have ray tracing.
2732
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:13,133
But honestly, back then,
2733
01:32:13,133 --> 01:32:13,966
I think it looked good.
2734
01:32:14,366 --> 01:32:15,433
I think it looked good.
2735
01:32:16,633 --> 01:32:18,300
I saw that I've seen the comparisons
2736
01:32:18,300 --> 01:32:20,366
between like ray tracing on and off.
2737
01:32:20,366 --> 01:32:22,866
And like, aside from like maybe some gun
2738
01:32:22,866 --> 01:32:24,133
models showing reflections,
2739
01:32:24,133 --> 01:32:25,533
you can really see that big of a
2740
01:32:25,533 --> 01:32:26,333
difference, given how
2741
01:32:26,333 --> 01:32:27,266
much they had already put
2742
01:32:27,266 --> 01:32:29,833
into the FV and also ray
2743
01:32:29,833 --> 01:32:31,033
tracing was new. So yeah,
2744
01:32:31,766 --> 01:32:34,133
it was a little distracting, actually.
2745
01:32:34,266 --> 01:32:36,466
It was probably better to not have it on.
2746
01:32:37,066 --> 01:32:40,033
But some people were there was some
2747
01:32:40,033 --> 01:32:41,133
articles I read about that
2748
01:32:41,133 --> 01:32:43,199
where people could see reflections so
2749
01:32:43,199 --> 01:32:44,133
they could catch you.
2750
01:32:44,133 --> 01:32:46,366
So if you didn't have ray tracing, you
2751
01:32:46,366 --> 01:32:47,500
might be at a disadvantage.
2752
01:32:47,866 --> 01:32:49,066
But if you crank that thing up,
2753
01:32:49,866 --> 01:32:52,366
everything is just too much.
2754
01:32:52,666 --> 01:32:54,366
Yeah. Ray tracing ran like shit on
2755
01:32:54,366 --> 01:32:56,833
anything that wasn't a 20 80 T.I.
2756
01:32:57,199 --> 01:32:58,199
And that was that was the
2757
01:32:58,199 --> 01:32:59,366
thousand dollar card back then.
2758
01:32:59,833 --> 01:33:02,133
Well, that's crazy that we complained
2759
01:33:02,133 --> 01:33:04,766
about the 20 80 T.I.
2760
01:33:04,766 --> 01:33:05,866
being a thousand dollars.
2761
01:33:05,866 --> 01:33:08,733
And then now we have of what, 50, 90?
2762
01:33:08,733 --> 01:33:09,766
That's like two thousand dollars.
2763
01:33:11,966 --> 01:33:13,666
I mean, I always run high
2764
01:33:13,666 --> 01:33:15,733
end hardware, so I have not had
2765
01:33:15,733 --> 01:33:17,199
too many issues with ray
2766
01:33:17,199 --> 01:33:18,266
tracing and stuff like that.
2767
01:33:19,333 --> 01:33:20,933
But the main reason why they cut out ray
2768
01:33:20,933 --> 01:33:22,566
tracing is because they wanted
2769
01:33:22,566 --> 01:33:24,966
to focus on people running below spec.
2770
01:33:25,733 --> 01:33:26,800
Yeah. Below.
2771
01:33:27,066 --> 01:33:28,366
Because they noticed a lot of people are
2772
01:33:28,366 --> 01:33:29,866
running Battlefield six
2773
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:31,600
below the beta below spec.
2774
01:33:32,466 --> 01:33:33,633
And so they want for once
2775
01:33:33,633 --> 01:33:35,233
to focus on low end hardware.
2776
01:33:36,766 --> 01:33:38,766
I think that's really smart and baking
2777
01:33:38,766 --> 01:33:41,633
the the tracing, the the
2778
01:33:42,466 --> 01:33:44,233
shadows and and lighting and
2779
01:33:44,233 --> 01:33:46,133
stuff like that is is good.
2780
01:33:47,633 --> 01:33:49,466
But I'm curious why they removed it all
2781
01:33:49,466 --> 01:33:50,566
together and not just
2782
01:33:50,566 --> 01:33:51,633
have it be an option.
2783
01:33:52,899 --> 01:33:55,866
I'm kind of curious. I think for like a
2784
01:33:55,866 --> 01:33:57,066
competitive game like this,
2785
01:33:57,433 --> 01:33:59,766
yeah, maybe having it be like as close as
2786
01:33:59,766 --> 01:34:01,033
possible for everyone
2787
01:34:01,033 --> 01:34:02,266
to have a similar experience.
2788
01:34:02,500 --> 01:34:04,033
So it doesn't also give people with
2789
01:34:04,033 --> 01:34:05,833
better graphics cards.
2790
01:34:07,866 --> 01:34:09,333
You know, a distinct advantage.
2791
01:34:10,233 --> 01:34:11,866
Yeah. And they're always going to have a
2792
01:34:11,866 --> 01:34:12,933
distinct advantage, though,
2793
01:34:13,366 --> 01:34:15,000
because of not even the ray tracing, but
2794
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:16,666
like the game runs better,
2795
01:34:17,133 --> 01:34:18,899
less latency, all that good stuff.
2796
01:34:19,266 --> 01:34:21,933
Yeah. But I mean, textures,
2797
01:34:23,133 --> 01:34:24,633
fidelity can help with it.
2798
01:34:24,633 --> 01:34:28,033
So, you know, for me, at least for maybe
2799
01:34:28,033 --> 01:34:30,100
I know I say it's not shit, but like
2800
01:34:31,300 --> 01:34:32,733
I don't, you know, telling if
2801
01:34:32,733 --> 01:34:34,966
a person just distinguishing
2802
01:34:34,966 --> 01:34:36,833
what a person looks like and what a wall
2803
01:34:36,833 --> 01:34:38,333
looks like could help.
2804
01:34:39,733 --> 01:34:40,366
I don't know how I did
2805
01:34:40,366 --> 01:34:41,533
that with Battlefield 1946.
2806
01:34:43,733 --> 01:34:44,566
Everything looks like a
2807
01:34:44,566 --> 01:34:46,666
potato in that game, but so good.
2808
01:34:46,933 --> 01:34:49,866
Yeah, I do. I do think I
2809
01:34:49,866 --> 01:34:51,933
mean, I'm always a fan of
2810
01:34:52,066 --> 01:34:55,933
trying to make your game
2811
01:34:55,933 --> 01:34:57,866
available to low end users.
2812
01:34:59,800 --> 01:35:02,199
Sometimes that comes at the cost of being
2813
01:35:02,199 --> 01:35:03,533
able to raise the ceiling
2814
01:35:03,533 --> 01:35:06,633
as much as game developers may want to or
2815
01:35:06,633 --> 01:35:08,399
some, you know, high end players
2816
01:35:08,399 --> 01:35:11,166
may want to, but I've just always been
2817
01:35:11,166 --> 01:35:12,600
more of a low end player.
2818
01:35:13,266 --> 01:35:15,233
So that's where that's
2819
01:35:15,233 --> 01:35:17,066
where my kind of priority lies.
2820
01:35:17,066 --> 01:35:18,866
Right. Like I'd rather have that
2821
01:35:18,866 --> 01:35:20,566
available as an option.
2822
01:35:21,399 --> 01:35:22,733
And you can see from the
2823
01:35:22,733 --> 01:35:23,533
graphics settings, right?
2824
01:35:23,533 --> 01:35:25,533
Like the what they have for Battlefield
2825
01:35:25,533 --> 01:35:29,199
five, that 1080p 30 FPS low settings.
2826
01:35:29,733 --> 01:35:32,633
And that's running on like a high tech
2827
01:35:32,633 --> 01:35:34,033
set on the 2060. Right.
2828
01:35:34,866 --> 01:35:36,033
How does it run on a steam deck?
2829
01:35:36,266 --> 01:35:38,466
Does Battlefield six run on a steam deck?
2830
01:35:39,033 --> 01:35:40,166
I haven't tried it.
2831
01:35:40,399 --> 01:35:42,266
I don't think I think I
2832
01:35:42,266 --> 01:35:43,100
think there's anti cheat.
2833
01:35:43,100 --> 01:35:44,366
So I don't think it runs at all.
2834
01:35:44,366 --> 01:35:46,100
That's what I'm kind of curious about if
2835
01:35:46,100 --> 01:35:47,833
you throw it onto a Windows steam deck
2836
01:35:48,333 --> 01:35:49,866
because if they're removing ray tracing,
2837
01:35:49,866 --> 01:35:51,333
that could really help with
2838
01:35:52,266 --> 01:35:53,766
it running on the steam deck better.
2839
01:35:54,866 --> 01:35:56,366
Yeah, I'm more on board with this, too.
2840
01:35:56,566 --> 01:35:57,966
Like not everything needs
2841
01:35:57,966 --> 01:36:00,000
to be like ray tracing for me
2842
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:02,133
personally is better on
2843
01:36:02,133 --> 01:36:05,066
single player games multiplayer.
2844
01:36:06,166 --> 01:36:07,000
Let's balance that out.
2845
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:07,766
So it runs on everything.
2846
01:36:08,066 --> 01:36:08,966
So it gives people more.
2847
01:36:10,133 --> 01:36:11,300
Yeah, like there's a reason why people
2848
01:36:11,300 --> 01:36:13,433
still play League of Legends to this day.
2849
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:15,633
And it's not just because it's popular.
2850
01:36:15,633 --> 01:36:16,800
It's also popular because
2851
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:18,333
it runs on like potatoes.
2852
01:36:19,466 --> 01:36:20,933
Well, it looks good still because the art
2853
01:36:20,933 --> 01:36:22,766
style art style used to be
2854
01:36:22,766 --> 01:36:24,399
like really important back in the day,
2855
01:36:24,399 --> 01:36:25,800
like Blizzard had that down.
2856
01:36:26,066 --> 01:36:27,366
And that's why a lot of games still look
2857
01:36:27,366 --> 01:36:29,066
really good, even though like
2858
01:36:29,233 --> 01:36:31,133
I think World War, our Warcraft three
2859
01:36:31,133 --> 01:36:32,266
still looks great
2860
01:36:32,266 --> 01:36:34,233
because of its art style.
2861
01:36:36,566 --> 01:36:39,266
Yeah, like I understand some I understand
2862
01:36:39,266 --> 01:36:40,233
some hardware makers
2863
01:36:40,266 --> 01:36:43,466
want like a marquee like graphical
2864
01:36:43,466 --> 01:36:45,233
showcase to better sell the hardware
2865
01:36:45,366 --> 01:36:46,966
about the same time, though, I'm starting
2866
01:36:46,966 --> 01:36:48,699
to wonder if we're hitting the limits of
2867
01:36:49,633 --> 01:36:51,333
that, not to mention, not to mention
2868
01:36:51,333 --> 01:36:52,899
Nvidia doesn't need the
2869
01:36:52,899 --> 01:36:53,666
gaming market anymore.
2870
01:36:54,166 --> 01:36:56,766
They have the AI market that like they're
2871
01:36:56,766 --> 01:36:57,566
like basically carrying
2872
01:36:57,566 --> 01:36:59,233
the entire industry on their backs.
2873
01:37:00,500 --> 01:37:01,866
So the market's going to collapse.
2874
01:37:02,600 --> 01:37:05,500
And I think Nvidia is like pushing
2875
01:37:06,766 --> 01:37:07,600
all of these
2876
01:37:09,066 --> 01:37:11,733
like high end games to use ray tracing
2877
01:37:11,733 --> 01:37:13,133
because it, you know,
2878
01:37:13,366 --> 01:37:15,300
it props up their business and allows
2879
01:37:15,300 --> 01:37:16,466
them to inflate their prices.
2880
01:37:17,566 --> 01:37:18,733
But I guess that's just my hot take.
2881
01:37:20,133 --> 01:37:21,766
That's fair. I don't think I don't think
2882
01:37:21,766 --> 01:37:22,699
you're necessarily wrong.
2883
01:37:22,699 --> 01:37:23,966
I bet you they're influencing somehow
2884
01:37:23,966 --> 01:37:25,466
because, yeah, that A.I.
2885
01:37:25,466 --> 01:37:27,600
bubble is going to pop and
2886
01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:31,066
and videos worth way more than
2887
01:37:31,766 --> 01:37:33,100
what they are going for
2888
01:37:33,100 --> 01:37:36,366
right now is is way overpriced.
2889
01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:39,333
Yeah. Well, I mean, they they basically
2890
01:37:39,333 --> 01:37:41,033
inflamed the crypto bubble
2891
01:37:41,133 --> 01:37:44,100
so they could sell more more GPUs.
2892
01:37:44,533 --> 01:37:47,033
And they they also like go as soon as
2893
01:37:47,033 --> 01:37:48,466
they realized that the writing
2894
01:37:48,466 --> 01:37:50,066
was on the wall for crypto, they were
2895
01:37:50,066 --> 01:37:51,533
like, oh, what's the next thing?
2896
01:37:51,533 --> 01:37:52,366
We have to keep pumping.
2897
01:37:52,866 --> 01:37:55,733
And so they pumped the the A.I. market.
2898
01:37:56,466 --> 01:37:58,033
And now be fair, they have
2899
01:37:58,033 --> 01:37:59,366
a lot of irons in the fire.
2900
01:37:59,366 --> 01:38:00,100
Like they were working
2901
01:38:00,100 --> 01:38:01,333
on A.I. stuff for a while.
2902
01:38:01,966 --> 01:38:04,166
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like machine. Yeah.
2903
01:38:04,166 --> 01:38:06,266
Like the LSS before that was a that used
2904
01:38:06,266 --> 01:38:07,866
to be just they used to
2905
01:38:07,866 --> 01:38:08,966
call it machine learning.
2906
01:38:09,333 --> 01:38:11,933
Yeah. So that is what it is. Yeah, it is.
2907
01:38:12,333 --> 01:38:13,733
We don't really have. Yeah.
2908
01:38:13,733 --> 01:38:15,233
So they've had tail.
2909
01:38:15,333 --> 01:38:16,500
We've had A.I. since
2910
01:38:17,566 --> 01:38:19,933
whenever the 2000 series GP
2911
01:38:19,933 --> 01:38:21,333
is whenever those came out.
2912
01:38:21,666 --> 01:38:24,033
Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's just like the I
2913
01:38:24,033 --> 01:38:25,100
think that they probably
2914
01:38:25,933 --> 01:38:27,766
did a lot to bring open A.I.
2915
01:38:28,233 --> 01:38:29,266
to the forefront and make
2916
01:38:29,266 --> 01:38:30,966
it as popular as it became.
2917
01:38:32,166 --> 01:38:33,633
Yeah, that's I don't think you're wrong.
2918
01:38:35,633 --> 01:38:36,300
Don't think you're wrong.
2919
01:38:38,366 --> 01:38:39,933
So what's next on our list?
2920
01:38:40,066 --> 01:38:42,033
I key figure leaves
2921
01:38:42,033 --> 01:38:43,466
studio behind Fair Game.
2922
01:38:43,933 --> 01:38:45,133
Another Sony live service.
2923
01:38:45,399 --> 01:38:47,600
It's fair games yet to pronounce the S.
2924
01:38:48,600 --> 01:38:49,566
You put a dollar sign.
2925
01:38:49,833 --> 01:38:52,399
So I didn't know. So they so today that's
2926
01:38:52,399 --> 01:38:53,966
how they that's how they spell the game.
2927
01:38:53,966 --> 01:38:55,566
Oh, my gosh. Obviously, I am
2928
01:38:55,566 --> 01:38:58,666
out of the loop on this one.
2929
01:38:58,666 --> 01:39:00,933
What is this? So it's
2930
01:39:00,933 --> 01:39:02,600
another Sony live service game.
2931
01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:03,733
That's probably doomed to fail.
2932
01:39:04,266 --> 01:39:05,399
It looks like a heist game.
2933
01:39:06,866 --> 01:39:08,066
To be fair, it looks kind of good,
2934
01:39:08,066 --> 01:39:09,633
actually, but it does.
2935
01:39:09,899 --> 01:39:10,766
But like you can't trust
2936
01:39:10,766 --> 01:39:12,066
Sony with live service games.
2937
01:39:12,066 --> 01:39:13,333
Remember, they tried to do a lot of 12
2938
01:39:13,333 --> 01:39:14,666
and like they all fail
2939
01:39:14,666 --> 01:39:16,166
except for hell divers to
2940
01:39:16,166 --> 01:39:20,133
make us money. Yeah. Money.
2941
01:39:20,533 --> 01:39:21,166
That's what they said.
2942
01:39:21,833 --> 01:39:23,133
And I'll say this.
2943
01:39:23,633 --> 01:39:25,766
I think that if you make
2944
01:39:26,733 --> 01:39:27,566
I mean, I don't know
2945
01:39:27,566 --> 01:39:28,733
what Sony's plan was, right?
2946
01:39:28,933 --> 01:39:32,266
But if I if my plan was like, oh, we
2947
01:39:32,266 --> 01:39:34,466
should be making 10 live service games.
2948
01:39:34,466 --> 01:39:35,933
The reason we're making 10 is because
2949
01:39:35,933 --> 01:39:37,966
like we think nine will fail.
2950
01:39:38,566 --> 01:39:39,500
Right. Like the point
2951
01:39:39,500 --> 01:39:41,066
is to get one to pop.
2952
01:39:41,766 --> 01:39:43,000
I don't know if hell divers to was the
2953
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:44,433
one that they wanted to pop.
2954
01:39:44,433 --> 01:39:45,366
It's not I'm certainly
2955
01:39:45,366 --> 01:39:46,333
not the one they expect.
2956
01:39:46,333 --> 01:39:48,533
It's about just based
2957
01:39:48,533 --> 01:39:50,166
on how they behaved,
2958
01:39:50,866 --> 01:39:52,933
which is sad because it's such a good
2959
01:39:52,933 --> 01:39:54,633
game and the first one was really good
2960
01:39:54,633 --> 01:39:56,666
and had a strong following.
2961
01:39:57,166 --> 01:40:00,133
So I'm really tired of these gamble,
2962
01:40:00,366 --> 01:40:02,366
these gamblers that are at the top that
2963
01:40:02,366 --> 01:40:03,566
are like, we're going to gamble
2964
01:40:03,699 --> 01:40:06,466
instead of like, OK, you have plenty of
2965
01:40:06,466 --> 01:40:08,733
IP that will make you plenty of money.
2966
01:40:09,233 --> 01:40:11,266
But they want the pot at the top because
2967
01:40:11,266 --> 01:40:12,633
and I will tell you what,
2968
01:40:12,833 --> 01:40:13,600
I have worked with plenty
2969
01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:16,766
of CEOs in mid level startups
2970
01:40:17,133 --> 01:40:17,866
where they're like, you
2971
01:40:17,866 --> 01:40:18,899
know, hundreds of employees.
2972
01:40:19,133 --> 01:40:21,066
And that's how they think they would
2973
01:40:21,066 --> 01:40:23,066
rather gamble everything to get
2974
01:40:25,199 --> 01:40:26,266
to be the top dog because
2975
01:40:26,266 --> 01:40:27,266
they're very competitive.
2976
01:40:28,533 --> 01:40:29,933
Yeah. At the detriment of
2977
01:40:29,933 --> 01:40:31,199
people that get laid off.
2978
01:40:31,266 --> 01:40:32,766
Right. Of course. Right.
2979
01:40:33,633 --> 01:40:36,266
So yeah. So this
2980
01:40:36,266 --> 01:40:37,866
game's had troubled history.
2981
01:40:38,399 --> 01:40:39,399
They revealed a trailer.
2982
01:40:41,633 --> 01:40:43,133
And that was the only trade they have.
2983
01:40:44,233 --> 01:40:46,800
So Jade Redmond, Jade Redmond was one of
2984
01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:47,800
the founders of the studio,
2985
01:40:47,800 --> 01:40:50,500
but then she departed and now the game's
2986
01:40:50,500 --> 01:40:52,033
main director has departed as well.
2987
01:40:52,399 --> 01:40:54,066
And for our lives and for like if they
2988
01:40:54,066 --> 01:40:55,466
were like a single player game,
2989
01:40:55,833 --> 01:40:57,866
like they were like pretty done in
2990
01:40:57,866 --> 01:40:58,666
development, then a
2991
01:40:58,666 --> 01:40:59,566
game developer leaving
2992
01:41:00,066 --> 01:41:01,800
a game director leaving wouldn't be that
2993
01:41:01,800 --> 01:41:03,533
big of a deal, but a live service game
2994
01:41:04,266 --> 01:41:06,133
and the directors leaving, that's
2995
01:41:06,133 --> 01:41:07,366
probably going to be a problem.
2996
01:41:09,033 --> 01:41:14,133
Yeah. Yeah, I didn't know here.
2997
01:41:14,366 --> 01:41:16,300
It's I see fair games with no dollar
2998
01:41:16,300 --> 01:41:17,366
sign, but that oh, yeah,
2999
01:41:17,366 --> 01:41:19,033
there it is with the dollar sign. Yeah.
3000
01:41:19,933 --> 01:41:20,866
Yeah, I didn't know
3001
01:41:20,866 --> 01:41:21,966
anything about this game.
3002
01:41:22,633 --> 01:41:25,500
And Jade Raymond as a personality in
3003
01:41:25,500 --> 01:41:27,466
terms of like, oh, like if, you know,
3004
01:41:27,566 --> 01:41:29,500
what was it? Assassin's Creed is what she
3005
01:41:29,500 --> 01:41:31,433
was responsible for.
3006
01:41:31,433 --> 01:41:32,566
I like that's how she got her name.
3007
01:41:32,866 --> 01:41:34,066
Is that right? I
3008
01:41:34,066 --> 01:41:35,866
think I want to say, yeah.
3009
01:41:37,199 --> 01:41:39,199
And so like, as far
3010
01:41:39,199 --> 01:41:40,166
as I know, that was it.
3011
01:41:40,666 --> 01:41:42,933
I think it was Assassin's Creed.
3012
01:41:42,933 --> 01:41:43,800
And then that was it. And she
3013
01:41:43,800 --> 01:41:45,666
got a lot of like watchdogs.
3014
01:41:46,466 --> 01:41:47,766
Oh, is that what it was?
3015
01:41:48,233 --> 01:41:50,366
OK, that's that's two.
3016
01:41:50,633 --> 01:41:53,300
Yeah, that's yeah. Yeah.
3017
01:41:54,533 --> 01:41:55,566
She was the key roles of development
3018
01:41:55,566 --> 01:41:57,066
games like Assassin's Creed, Far
3019
01:41:57,066 --> 01:41:59,033
Cry, Star Wars, Battlefront II. Wait,
3020
01:41:59,066 --> 01:41:59,766
that's a number of
3021
01:41:59,766 --> 01:42:01,233
new one or the old one.
3022
01:42:01,233 --> 01:42:03,266
I don't know. The old one. New one.
3023
01:42:04,233 --> 01:42:05,100
Yeah, that's not
3024
01:42:05,100 --> 01:42:06,000
that's not a good testament.
3025
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:09,466
Even though it's not that bad, it's just
3026
01:42:09,466 --> 01:42:12,466
they milked that dry.
3027
01:42:12,733 --> 01:42:14,666
They tried to since day one. OK, sorry.
3028
01:42:15,766 --> 01:42:18,233
You're good. But yeah, I don't.
3029
01:42:18,233 --> 01:42:19,133
This wasn't something I
3030
01:42:19,133 --> 01:42:20,666
was looking forward to.
3031
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:23,066
I did. I did not have this on my radar.
3032
01:42:24,733 --> 01:42:25,899
Yeah, I don't know either.
3033
01:42:26,266 --> 01:42:27,033
I just want to talk
3034
01:42:27,033 --> 01:42:28,800
about it because well.
3035
01:42:30,933 --> 01:42:31,766
I played it if it was
3036
01:42:31,766 --> 01:42:34,266
like a sci fi counter strike.
3037
01:42:34,566 --> 01:42:36,100
It kind of looks like they have sci fi
3038
01:42:36,100 --> 01:42:38,699
like guns, but I'm not a heist person.
3039
01:42:40,100 --> 01:42:43,033
I don't care about heists per se, unless
3040
01:42:43,033 --> 01:42:44,266
it's like maybe a counter strike
3041
01:42:44,266 --> 01:42:48,699
where kind of esque thing. But yeah.
3042
01:42:50,166 --> 01:42:53,066
Yeah, what I do care about, though, is
3043
01:42:54,199 --> 01:42:56,466
Unreal Engine 5 and all the hate it gets
3044
01:42:56,466 --> 01:42:58,300
sometimes because that's the one I use.
3045
01:43:01,600 --> 01:43:03,633
Yeah, Tim Sweeney. Oh, my gosh, this
3046
01:43:05,266 --> 01:43:06,600
so excited.
3047
01:43:08,033 --> 01:43:10,899
Maybe maybe Unreal Engine
3048
01:43:10,899 --> 01:43:12,366
5 isn't to blame after all.
3049
01:43:12,366 --> 01:43:13,466
Tim Sweeney says devs are
3050
01:43:13,466 --> 01:43:15,066
to blame, which I agree.
3051
01:43:16,766 --> 01:43:17,266
Devs know.
3052
01:43:19,399 --> 01:43:20,733
This is interesting. Hi,
3053
01:43:20,733 --> 01:43:21,833
Tech. What is your take on this?
3054
01:43:22,600 --> 01:43:25,433
Oh, so when most people say, oh, don't
3055
01:43:25,433 --> 01:43:26,833
use Unreal 5, it's
3056
01:43:26,833 --> 01:43:27,866
going to run like shit.
3057
01:43:27,866 --> 01:43:29,133
Most gamers don't know what the fuck
3058
01:43:29,133 --> 01:43:30,000
they're talking about.
3059
01:43:30,566 --> 01:43:31,366
And then it's just
3060
01:43:31,366 --> 01:43:32,833
that underlying software.
3061
01:43:32,833 --> 01:43:34,033
At the end of the day, it's the
3062
01:43:34,033 --> 01:43:34,466
developers
3063
01:43:34,466 --> 01:43:36,066
responsibility to make games run well,
3064
01:43:36,066 --> 01:43:36,933
because there are
3065
01:43:37,866 --> 01:43:40,333
UE5 games that run well on like low end
3066
01:43:40,333 --> 01:43:41,566
hardware like the Steam Deck, like
3067
01:43:41,566 --> 01:43:42,933
I think the newest Gears
3068
01:43:42,933 --> 01:43:44,633
of War remaster or remake.
3069
01:43:45,699 --> 01:43:46,699
That's on Unreal 5, right?
3070
01:43:48,166 --> 01:43:49,866
So Unreal 4 or 5. But
3071
01:43:49,866 --> 01:43:50,733
yeah, I'll look it up.
3072
01:43:51,433 --> 01:43:54,500
Yeah, like even like even Unreal 4 games
3073
01:43:54,500 --> 01:43:56,766
can run like shit like Lost Soul Aside.
3074
01:43:57,366 --> 01:43:58,466
But it was one that kind of looks like
3075
01:43:58,466 --> 01:44:01,266
that kind of looks like Final Fantasy 15.
3076
01:44:02,666 --> 01:44:05,033
Runs like crap on a lot of hardware,
3077
01:44:05,033 --> 01:44:07,066
despite not being an Unreal 5 game
3078
01:44:07,066 --> 01:44:08,533
instead being Unreal 4.
3079
01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:13,133
I could be also a lot of game companies
3080
01:44:13,133 --> 01:44:14,433
standardizing into Unreal
3081
01:44:14,566 --> 01:44:16,333
and maybe their teams aren't used to it
3082
01:44:16,333 --> 01:44:16,800
because they're used
3083
01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:17,699
to a different engine.
3084
01:44:18,199 --> 01:44:19,966
Could be partially that. It could be
3085
01:44:21,199 --> 01:44:23,466
maybe just how game companies
3086
01:44:25,433 --> 01:44:27,366
they fuck over like so many developers
3087
01:44:27,366 --> 01:44:30,699
and their talent pool is lower.
3088
01:44:32,033 --> 01:44:32,866
There's so much stuff
3089
01:44:32,866 --> 01:44:33,800
that goes into all this.
3090
01:44:33,800 --> 01:44:35,633
Like Unity, you can make a bad game or a
3091
01:44:35,633 --> 01:44:37,133
good game with any like Unity
3092
01:44:37,133 --> 01:44:39,866
and any of these game engines. It's just.
3093
01:44:40,533 --> 01:44:41,899
Honestly, if you want to
3094
01:44:41,899 --> 01:44:42,800
be a software developer,
3095
01:44:43,333 --> 01:44:44,733
you probably want to steer far away from
3096
01:44:44,733 --> 01:44:46,600
the games industry for job security.
3097
01:44:47,733 --> 01:44:48,833
Like I'm not saying that.
3098
01:44:49,266 --> 01:44:52,433
I'm not saying that those industries are
3099
01:44:52,433 --> 01:44:54,199
into layoffs and whatnot.
3100
01:44:54,966 --> 01:44:56,466
But I think it'd be a lot safer if I were
3101
01:44:56,466 --> 01:44:57,233
like a software developer
3102
01:44:57,233 --> 01:44:58,500
like a banking company
3103
01:44:58,500 --> 01:45:00,366
instead of like EA or whatever.
3104
01:45:01,000 --> 01:45:01,966
It's a lot safer.
3105
01:45:03,166 --> 01:45:04,566
That's why I went the route I went
3106
01:45:04,566 --> 01:45:06,366
because I do games on the side.
3107
01:45:06,366 --> 01:45:07,333
I like I have a bill.
3108
01:45:07,333 --> 01:45:09,833
I'm building a game, but I just couldn't
3109
01:45:09,833 --> 01:45:11,966
enter the field full time.
3110
01:45:13,533 --> 01:45:14,366
I yeah, I just looked
3111
01:45:14,366 --> 01:45:15,133
it up. Unreal Engine
3112
01:45:15,333 --> 01:45:19,533
and Gears of War is using UE3,
3113
01:45:20,466 --> 01:45:21,766
but it's massively upgraded.
3114
01:45:22,600 --> 01:45:24,199
The the remaster, the
3115
01:45:24,199 --> 01:45:26,166
remake is the three. Yes.
3116
01:45:26,633 --> 01:45:27,966
Is even a remake at that point.
3117
01:45:27,966 --> 01:45:30,033
I don't know. They went really weird.
3118
01:45:30,033 --> 01:45:31,333
I think it's a really not a true.
3119
01:45:31,800 --> 01:45:33,033
It's a remaster then.
3120
01:45:33,066 --> 01:45:35,800
OK, because that's the engine they use.
3121
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:36,600
That's why I was thinking
3122
01:45:36,600 --> 01:45:38,000
for maybe even the original.
3123
01:45:38,133 --> 01:45:39,133
That's the engine they use for the
3124
01:45:39,133 --> 01:45:41,933
original one. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah.
3125
01:45:43,333 --> 01:45:44,233
I think why it runs so
3126
01:45:44,233 --> 01:45:46,366
well, I think even then
3127
01:45:46,833 --> 01:45:50,800
you three had a bit of a floor to it
3128
01:45:50,800 --> 01:45:52,800
where like, you know,
3129
01:45:52,800 --> 01:45:54,800
you needed a certain level of machine for
3130
01:45:54,800 --> 01:45:56,533
you not to get like the streaming.
3131
01:45:56,866 --> 01:45:58,333
You remember the texture streaming where
3132
01:45:58,333 --> 01:46:00,066
like your character would load in
3133
01:46:00,399 --> 01:46:01,866
before the textures would load in.
3134
01:46:01,866 --> 01:46:02,833
And that was a little bit weird.
3135
01:46:03,266 --> 01:46:04,899
So like there was like a floor of like
3136
01:46:04,899 --> 01:46:06,633
what sort of machine you needed
3137
01:46:07,633 --> 01:46:10,466
to to run a.
3138
01:46:11,466 --> 01:46:12,866
Baseline what you would
3139
01:46:12,866 --> 01:46:14,266
expect from UE3 at the time,
3140
01:46:14,266 --> 01:46:15,233
could you optimize it further?
3141
01:46:15,600 --> 01:46:16,733
Sure. But what you would
3142
01:46:16,733 --> 01:46:18,433
expect out of UE3 at the time.
3143
01:46:18,433 --> 01:46:19,133
And I think it's pretty
3144
01:46:19,133 --> 01:46:20,399
similar for UE5, right?
3145
01:46:20,399 --> 01:46:22,833
Like there are features like ray tracing
3146
01:46:22,833 --> 01:46:24,000
that we were just talking about
3147
01:46:24,866 --> 01:46:28,500
that benefit from having UE5.
3148
01:46:29,366 --> 01:46:30,433
But then that means that
3149
01:46:30,433 --> 01:46:31,333
maybe low end machines,
3150
01:46:31,366 --> 01:46:32,433
you're going to need to
3151
01:46:32,433 --> 01:46:34,966
work harder than in the past.
3152
01:46:35,033 --> 01:46:36,533
You might have had to work with say,
3153
01:46:37,033 --> 01:46:38,566
I like to reference
3154
01:46:38,566 --> 01:46:39,600
like criterion, right?
3155
01:46:39,600 --> 01:46:40,466
Like criterion was one of
3156
01:46:40,466 --> 01:46:41,866
those engines was a criterion.
3157
01:46:43,366 --> 01:46:45,699
With like engine. No.
3158
01:46:45,699 --> 01:46:47,466
Oh, the criteria. Yeah, I
3159
01:46:47,466 --> 01:46:48,699
think. Yeah, I think you're right.
3160
01:46:48,699 --> 01:46:49,966
I think they use renderware.
3161
01:46:50,833 --> 01:46:53,266
Yes. Criterion, I think, was the company
3162
01:46:53,266 --> 01:46:54,199
that made renderware.
3163
01:46:54,199 --> 01:46:54,833
I think it was. I think
3164
01:46:54,833 --> 01:46:55,666
you're right. It's renderware.
3165
01:46:56,066 --> 01:46:57,800
And that was just one of those engines
3166
01:46:57,800 --> 01:46:59,433
that likes at least seemingly
3167
01:47:00,433 --> 01:47:03,000
worked really well on like low end
3168
01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:05,166
hardware, not PCs at the time.
3169
01:47:05,166 --> 01:47:07,033
But like, you know, it just it looked it
3170
01:47:07,033 --> 01:47:08,533
made PS2 games look good.
3171
01:47:08,933 --> 01:47:10,500
And then you could also run it on Xbox
3172
01:47:10,500 --> 01:47:11,899
and it looked good on an Xbox.
3173
01:47:12,233 --> 01:47:14,266
It would run on GameCube and
3174
01:47:14,266 --> 01:47:15,300
it looked good on GameCube.
3175
01:47:15,300 --> 01:47:17,066
It looked good for each of those systems.
3176
01:47:17,500 --> 01:47:19,366
And so like scaled really well.
3177
01:47:19,366 --> 01:47:21,233
And I don't know why that was the case.
3178
01:47:22,399 --> 01:47:24,866
And I think you it seems like
3179
01:47:24,866 --> 01:47:26,066
you need to put in more work
3180
01:47:26,066 --> 01:47:28,766
to make UE5 scale down, not
3181
01:47:28,766 --> 01:47:29,833
to scale up, but to scale it.
3182
01:47:30,433 --> 01:47:33,699
I this is a big part of it, too, though.
3183
01:47:34,733 --> 01:47:36,166
Lumen, I think they get to
3184
01:47:36,166 --> 01:47:37,766
there's too many shiny tools
3185
01:47:37,766 --> 01:47:39,433
that they want to include in the games.
3186
01:47:40,233 --> 01:47:43,600
Lumen Nanite and some other stuff
3187
01:47:45,033 --> 01:47:49,000
that if overused can heavily
3188
01:47:49,233 --> 01:47:52,633
yeah, disrupt your performance or of
3189
01:47:52,633 --> 01:47:55,066
underused, too, if you don't optimize it.
3190
01:47:55,066 --> 01:47:56,833
Lumens, Lumens and a lot of the stuff
3191
01:47:56,833 --> 01:47:57,833
actually has optimization
3192
01:47:58,633 --> 01:48:00,266
for different
3193
01:48:03,366 --> 01:48:05,833
levels of hardware.
3194
01:48:06,500 --> 01:48:08,800
And so I honestly, I
3195
01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:09,666
think it's a skill issue.
3196
01:48:11,666 --> 01:48:14,233
Yeah, well, I mean, if you're like.
3197
01:48:15,666 --> 01:48:16,866
Now, I'm not going to
3198
01:48:16,866 --> 01:48:17,500
say that, never mind.
3199
01:48:18,966 --> 01:48:20,500
I do. I do think that
3200
01:48:20,500 --> 01:48:22,033
like you're going to have it.
3201
01:48:22,033 --> 01:48:23,966
If you give an engineer Unreal Engine 4,
3202
01:48:24,466 --> 01:48:25,366
you're going to get something that's
3203
01:48:25,366 --> 01:48:26,033
going to perform better.
3204
01:48:26,566 --> 01:48:28,766
But Unreal Engine 5 is very powerful.
3205
01:48:29,666 --> 01:48:30,466
And some people are going to say it
3206
01:48:30,466 --> 01:48:31,733
doesn't look as good, whatever.
3207
01:48:32,133 --> 01:48:35,366
Yeah, you can royally screw yourself over
3208
01:48:35,366 --> 01:48:36,533
by having too many assets
3209
01:48:37,066 --> 01:48:39,100
in the world rendering if
3210
01:48:39,100 --> 01:48:40,766
you do not limit that render.
3211
01:48:41,333 --> 01:48:42,933
And it could look like garbage, but you
3212
01:48:42,933 --> 01:48:43,733
could have too many like.
3213
01:48:45,300 --> 01:48:48,766
So what Tim Sweeney said in regards to
3214
01:48:48,766 --> 01:48:50,433
this is that a lot of developers
3215
01:48:50,566 --> 01:48:53,766
like the for the high end and then, you
3216
01:48:53,766 --> 01:48:55,366
know, the low end stuff is really
3217
01:48:56,566 --> 01:48:58,633
in the back burner like they
3218
01:48:58,633 --> 01:48:59,866
save that stuff for last one.
3219
01:48:59,866 --> 01:49:02,366
Really, the entire development process
3220
01:49:02,366 --> 01:49:03,766
needs to change as a whole.
3221
01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:05,166
Like the development suite.
3222
01:49:05,166 --> 01:49:06,166
And this was a unreal.
3223
01:49:06,733 --> 01:49:09,100
This was in this was a fest, a fest
3224
01:49:09,100 --> 01:49:10,266
keynote in South Korea.
3225
01:49:10,533 --> 01:49:11,766
Like, look, there's a quote right there.
3226
01:49:12,199 --> 01:49:13,833
Many studios built for top two hardware
3227
01:49:13,833 --> 01:49:15,166
first, then leave optimization,
3228
01:49:15,399 --> 01:49:16,666
low spec testing for the end.
3229
01:49:16,666 --> 01:49:18,866
Ideally, optimization should begin early
3230
01:49:18,866 --> 01:49:21,166
before full content build out.
3231
01:49:21,399 --> 01:49:22,766
We are doing two things,
3232
01:49:23,033 --> 01:49:24,233
strengthening engine support
3233
01:49:24,300 --> 01:49:26,300
with more automated optimization across
3234
01:49:26,300 --> 01:49:29,033
devices and expanding developer
3235
01:49:29,033 --> 01:49:30,633
education, so optimize
3236
01:49:30,633 --> 01:49:32,266
early becomes standard practice.
3237
01:49:32,266 --> 01:49:33,133
If needed, our develop
3238
01:49:33,133 --> 01:49:34,433
our engineers can step in.
3239
01:49:34,633 --> 01:49:36,199
So essentially what he's saying is.
3240
01:49:37,600 --> 01:49:39,633
They are offering more
3241
01:49:39,633 --> 01:49:41,133
education to developers
3242
01:49:41,266 --> 01:49:42,800
to change the way they might be
3243
01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:44,233
developing, because I think
3244
01:49:44,833 --> 01:49:47,566
I think traditional game development
3245
01:49:47,566 --> 01:49:50,633
wisdom was usually build your game
3246
01:49:50,633 --> 01:49:52,066
up first and optimize later, right?
3247
01:49:54,300 --> 01:49:56,966
I think which one, but I think there's
3248
01:49:56,966 --> 01:49:58,166
like from what I've seen,
3249
01:49:58,166 --> 01:49:59,733
there's good reason for that.
3250
01:50:00,066 --> 01:50:01,933
I understand, I think what I'm saying.
3251
01:50:03,033 --> 01:50:04,066
There's a lot on back, right?
3252
01:50:04,066 --> 01:50:06,133
So like, first of all, he continues to
3253
01:50:06,133 --> 01:50:08,266
say, does as we've been saying.
3254
01:50:08,866 --> 01:50:12,233
But if let's let's just say if optimizing
3255
01:50:12,233 --> 01:50:13,966
late is the right approach,
3256
01:50:14,533 --> 01:50:16,966
then I think the blame would probably lie
3257
01:50:16,966 --> 01:50:18,233
with the suits, right?
3258
01:50:18,233 --> 01:50:20,333
Like the publishers in terms of like we
3259
01:50:20,333 --> 01:50:22,033
if we should be optimizing late,
3260
01:50:22,233 --> 01:50:23,166
we should leave.
3261
01:50:23,633 --> 01:50:24,733
We should make sure that we are
3262
01:50:24,733 --> 01:50:25,399
addressing that at
3263
01:50:25,399 --> 01:50:26,066
the end of the schedule.
3264
01:50:26,466 --> 01:50:27,733
And what's likely happening is that the
3265
01:50:27,733 --> 01:50:28,566
publishers are like, oh,
3266
01:50:28,566 --> 01:50:30,233
you've got it working well enough.
3267
01:50:31,166 --> 01:50:32,800
Let's let's release it. Right.
3268
01:50:33,633 --> 01:50:34,833
It could be both.
3269
01:50:35,699 --> 01:50:38,199
When you're so in like web development,
3270
01:50:39,033 --> 01:50:41,033
the best take is to optimize for the
3271
01:50:41,033 --> 01:50:44,033
hardest screen size, let's say.
3272
01:50:44,033 --> 01:50:47,500
So you usually want to do mobile first.
3273
01:50:48,033 --> 01:50:49,100
And so it works on mobile.
3274
01:50:49,100 --> 01:50:50,266
Then you expand it out and
3275
01:50:50,266 --> 01:50:51,100
see how it works on desktop
3276
01:50:51,233 --> 01:50:52,133
and everything like that.
3277
01:50:53,199 --> 01:50:54,333
This is kind of similar.
3278
01:50:54,533 --> 01:50:56,133
You want to you can
3279
01:50:56,133 --> 01:50:57,566
run it at a higher end.
3280
01:50:57,899 --> 01:50:58,500
That's fine.
3281
01:50:58,966 --> 01:51:00,733
But you need to be doing check ins
3282
01:51:01,600 --> 01:51:03,433
more frequently on low end
3283
01:51:03,433 --> 01:51:05,399
hardware and see and profile it
3284
01:51:05,399 --> 01:51:07,033
and see what assets are
3285
01:51:07,033 --> 01:51:08,399
what needs to be optimized.
3286
01:51:08,399 --> 01:51:09,033
Because if you don't if
3287
01:51:09,033 --> 01:51:09,899
you catch that at the end,
3288
01:51:10,266 --> 01:51:11,133
you're going to be doing
3289
01:51:11,133 --> 01:51:13,699
tons of rework of optimization.
3290
01:51:14,033 --> 01:51:15,133
Is it ton of work?
3291
01:51:15,399 --> 01:51:17,433
Yeah. As I always understood it, the
3292
01:51:17,433 --> 01:51:20,333
reason why optimizing came at the end
3293
01:51:20,366 --> 01:51:22,399
was like it had a lot
3294
01:51:22,399 --> 01:51:23,199
more to do with memory.
3295
01:51:23,399 --> 01:51:23,866
Right. Like how are
3296
01:51:23,866 --> 01:51:24,933
you mapping the memory?
3297
01:51:24,933 --> 01:51:25,833
Where are you using that?
3298
01:51:25,833 --> 01:51:26,399
So like when are you
3299
01:51:26,399 --> 01:51:27,600
going to allocate the memory?
3300
01:51:28,399 --> 01:51:29,533
And then where when are you
3301
01:51:29,533 --> 01:51:30,333
going to free that memory?
3302
01:51:30,333 --> 01:51:32,466
Because you want to keep as large of an
3303
01:51:32,466 --> 01:51:33,366
allocation as possible
3304
01:51:33,366 --> 01:51:34,666
and then just like not
3305
01:51:34,666 --> 01:51:36,433
not actually free it. Right.
3306
01:51:36,866 --> 01:51:38,600
But like that memory that you allocated,
3307
01:51:38,600 --> 01:51:40,633
I'm going to now use that for this object
3308
01:51:40,633 --> 01:51:41,500
rather than the object
3309
01:51:41,500 --> 01:51:42,699
that I did use it for.
3310
01:51:43,766 --> 01:51:45,300
That's probably less of a concern now.
3311
01:51:45,633 --> 01:51:47,899
That definitely was a
3312
01:51:47,899 --> 01:51:50,133
thing back in the 90s, 80s.
3313
01:51:50,766 --> 01:51:54,533
70s even where memory was very limited.
3314
01:51:54,933 --> 01:51:57,633
And so you needed to release textures and
3315
01:51:57,633 --> 01:51:58,466
stuff like that potentially.
3316
01:51:58,933 --> 01:52:00,366
Honestly, probably not in the 70s.
3317
01:52:00,899 --> 01:52:04,066
But nowadays, there's a lot
3318
01:52:04,066 --> 01:52:06,333
of tools for rendering distance
3319
01:52:06,466 --> 01:52:08,833
and doing a lot of stuff that needs to
3320
01:52:08,833 --> 01:52:12,399
come into play for devices and stuff.
3321
01:52:12,766 --> 01:52:14,266
So I don't know. I
3322
01:52:14,266 --> 01:52:15,033
think the tooling is there.
3323
01:52:15,033 --> 01:52:17,933
I actually like what Swinney said.
3324
01:52:18,633 --> 01:52:20,066
I think this is a good approach.
3325
01:52:20,166 --> 01:52:21,866
I think he's at least recognizing it
3326
01:52:21,866 --> 01:52:24,666
that, hey, we're building out some tools.
3327
01:52:25,033 --> 01:52:26,133
I think they should have done it sooner
3328
01:52:26,133 --> 01:52:28,766
personally to make it
3329
01:52:28,766 --> 01:52:30,866
so that the developers are
3330
01:52:30,866 --> 01:52:32,800
more aware and also education.
3331
01:52:34,733 --> 01:52:36,600
We didn't have some of those tools and
3332
01:52:36,600 --> 01:52:37,666
some of the other engines.
3333
01:52:38,233 --> 01:52:39,066
And so I still think
3334
01:52:39,066 --> 01:52:40,266
it's a little bit of a.
3335
01:52:42,233 --> 01:52:43,733
What did they used to do before this?
3336
01:52:44,133 --> 01:52:47,233
But having tooling to help you with this
3337
01:52:47,233 --> 01:52:47,933
is going to be a very
3338
01:52:47,933 --> 01:52:48,666
big help, hopefully.
3339
01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:50,100
So we'll see.
3340
01:52:50,433 --> 01:52:52,966
It's also a matter of scale, right?
3341
01:52:53,166 --> 01:52:55,133
Like there's a lot of games out there
3342
01:52:55,133 --> 01:52:57,466
that are like we have to push our game
3343
01:52:57,866 --> 01:52:59,199
to the max and it has
3344
01:52:59,199 --> 01:53:00,333
to include everything.
3345
01:53:00,633 --> 01:53:02,366
And it has to, you know, in order for
3346
01:53:02,366 --> 01:53:03,866
marketing and whatever.
3347
01:53:04,699 --> 01:53:05,399
And so they're they're
3348
01:53:05,399 --> 01:53:07,399
they're like putting the cart
3349
01:53:07,433 --> 01:53:09,100
before the horse in a lot of instances
3350
01:53:09,100 --> 01:53:11,166
where it's like games like
3351
01:53:11,733 --> 01:53:13,699
Silksong have proven that you don't have
3352
01:53:13,699 --> 01:53:14,666
to be the most graphically
3353
01:53:14,666 --> 01:53:16,500
demanding thing to be the most popular
3354
01:53:16,500 --> 01:53:17,466
game of the week or
3355
01:53:17,466 --> 01:53:18,233
the month of the quarter.
3356
01:53:19,199 --> 01:53:22,933
So, you know, there's also like that
3357
01:53:22,933 --> 01:53:24,266
aspect of it, too, because
3358
01:53:24,933 --> 01:53:26,199
I think the games industry has kind of
3359
01:53:26,199 --> 01:53:27,433
painted itself into a corner
3360
01:53:27,433 --> 01:53:30,533
when it comes to like the setting
3361
01:53:30,533 --> 01:53:31,899
expectations for gamers.
3362
01:53:31,899 --> 01:53:34,066
And you have to have like the biggest
3363
01:53:34,066 --> 01:53:35,633
hype train and you have to build,
3364
01:53:35,966 --> 01:53:37,699
you know, the most anticipation, you have
3365
01:53:37,699 --> 01:53:38,800
to have the best graphics.
3366
01:53:39,433 --> 01:53:40,633
And when it comes right down
3367
01:53:40,633 --> 01:53:42,699
to gaming is supposed to be fun.
3368
01:53:43,066 --> 01:53:45,266
And the rest of that stuff should come
3369
01:53:45,266 --> 01:53:47,600
after you find the fun and play the game.
3370
01:53:48,199 --> 01:53:50,399
At whatever scale it should be at.
3371
01:53:51,899 --> 01:53:54,533
I think they're fixing.
3372
01:53:55,166 --> 01:53:56,199
I don't know. I don't
3373
01:53:56,199 --> 01:53:56,866
know if they're fixing it.
3374
01:53:56,866 --> 01:53:57,933
The problem is at the top,
3375
01:53:57,933 --> 01:54:00,333
though. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
3376
01:54:02,100 --> 01:54:04,133
I would love for developers to go back to
3377
01:54:04,133 --> 01:54:05,433
make smaller scale games,
3378
01:54:05,433 --> 01:54:06,833
because honestly, those end up being the
3379
01:54:06,833 --> 01:54:07,699
more memorable ones.
3380
01:54:08,233 --> 01:54:09,266
But at the same time, though,
3381
01:54:09,733 --> 01:54:10,566
who's going to tell the suits
3382
01:54:10,566 --> 01:54:11,566
that people don't want?
3383
01:54:12,466 --> 01:54:14,000
Super high, super hyper realistic
3384
01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:16,500
graphics with like open worlds.
3385
01:54:17,866 --> 01:54:21,100
A billion collectibles, a billion quests.
3386
01:54:21,500 --> 01:54:22,966
I think I think we're
3387
01:54:22,966 --> 01:54:24,266
slowly getting back to that.
3388
01:54:25,233 --> 01:54:27,733
Of course, yeah. EA and Take Two and
3389
01:54:27,733 --> 01:54:29,433
whoever are going to be
3390
01:54:29,600 --> 01:54:30,833
be how they're going to be.
3391
01:54:32,033 --> 01:54:34,466
So that that's whatever they want to do.
3392
01:54:34,633 --> 01:54:36,033
But if you know the ones that are that
3393
01:54:36,033 --> 01:54:37,533
are blowing up, like the clear obscures,
3394
01:54:37,800 --> 01:54:39,699
obviously, so we were just talking about
3395
01:54:39,699 --> 01:54:41,166
like those are smaller scale.
3396
01:54:41,366 --> 01:54:43,166
And I think we're going to see more of
3397
01:54:43,166 --> 01:54:44,833
those being the games that like
3398
01:54:45,366 --> 01:54:46,899
not just that we see at the Game of the
3399
01:54:46,899 --> 01:54:48,133
Year Awards and things like that,
3400
01:54:48,133 --> 01:54:50,666
but that are are actually
3401
01:54:50,666 --> 01:54:51,866
like the ones that people buy
3402
01:54:51,866 --> 01:54:52,833
and the ones that people play.
3403
01:54:53,466 --> 01:54:55,466
Also, I do want to point out, I agree
3404
01:54:55,466 --> 01:54:56,433
with you, James, that like
3405
01:54:56,633 --> 01:54:57,766
I think this is the right
3406
01:54:57,766 --> 01:54:58,766
approach, right? Like Tim.
3407
01:55:00,800 --> 01:55:03,466
It sounds like Dev blaming, and that's
3408
01:55:03,466 --> 01:55:05,166
not necessarily how I took it.
3409
01:55:05,866 --> 01:55:09,800
It was more so that they need to be
3410
01:55:10,166 --> 01:55:12,366
do a good job of educating the developers
3411
01:55:12,366 --> 01:55:14,333
on pros and cons of certain things.
3412
01:55:14,566 --> 01:55:18,366
But also offering their own services to
3413
01:55:18,366 --> 01:55:19,333
help the developers,
3414
01:55:19,766 --> 01:55:21,066
because at the end of the day, this is
3415
01:55:21,066 --> 01:55:23,033
their engine and they should be
3416
01:55:24,133 --> 01:55:25,100
disseminating that
3417
01:55:25,100 --> 01:55:26,333
knowledge as best as possible.
3418
01:55:27,366 --> 01:55:28,199
Yeah, they should making
3419
01:55:28,199 --> 01:55:29,899
it as easy as possible.
3420
01:55:31,433 --> 01:55:32,833
And it definitely is a synergy thing.
3421
01:55:33,100 --> 01:55:34,533
Like if you want a market
3422
01:55:34,533 --> 01:55:37,233
share, Tim, you got to make sure
3423
01:55:37,233 --> 01:55:38,600
it's easier for the developers.
3424
01:55:39,033 --> 01:55:41,966
But what I've been saying for years on
3425
01:55:41,966 --> 01:55:43,266
this Unreal 5 thing, it is
3426
01:55:43,333 --> 01:55:47,333
a dev issue first and then a little bit
3427
01:55:47,333 --> 01:55:48,699
of the Unreal Engine 5,
3428
01:55:48,699 --> 01:55:49,633
just being a little bit.
3429
01:55:50,233 --> 01:55:52,199
They put a lot of tools in and didn't
3430
01:55:52,199 --> 01:55:53,800
tell you not to use it at times.
3431
01:55:53,800 --> 01:55:54,533
They used marketing
3432
01:55:54,533 --> 01:55:55,433
to tell you to use it.
3433
01:55:55,766 --> 01:55:57,600
So I also think there's marketing from
3434
01:55:57,600 --> 01:55:59,800
all sorts of, you know,
3435
01:55:59,800 --> 01:56:02,166
sales marketing, everything is partially
3436
01:56:02,166 --> 01:56:03,100
to blame for all this.
3437
01:56:04,533 --> 01:56:06,133
To kind of like put
3438
01:56:07,866 --> 01:56:10,366
to kind of like end this out, like build
3439
01:56:10,366 --> 01:56:11,533
the game that's right for you.
3440
01:56:11,566 --> 01:56:13,899
If it's a side scroller, you just need to
3441
01:56:13,899 --> 01:56:14,866
be the most beautiful thing
3442
01:56:14,866 --> 01:56:15,433
that needs to have
3443
01:56:15,433 --> 01:56:17,133
every piece of tech in it.
3444
01:56:17,600 --> 01:56:19,666
But for me, like some horror games, I'm
3445
01:56:19,666 --> 01:56:21,433
like, yeah, throw all the tech into it.
3446
01:56:21,433 --> 01:56:23,000
I will buy that thing if it looks
3447
01:56:23,000 --> 01:56:24,899
beautiful and gruesome.
3448
01:56:25,466 --> 01:56:28,433
I will get it. But know your audience and
3449
01:56:28,433 --> 01:56:29,633
don't let and we see
3450
01:56:30,066 --> 01:56:32,866
see execs or like higher up execs stop
3451
01:56:32,866 --> 01:56:34,166
getting in the way of some of this.
3452
01:56:34,466 --> 01:56:36,666
You cannot market your
3453
01:56:36,666 --> 01:56:37,566
way out of a bad game.
3454
01:56:38,366 --> 01:56:40,399
Mm hmm.
3455
01:56:40,433 --> 01:56:42,433
That's unless you put massive online
3456
01:56:42,433 --> 01:56:43,333
multiplayer into it.
3457
01:56:43,333 --> 01:56:45,000
And then you can just throw
3458
01:56:45,000 --> 01:56:46,433
it about the game is good.
3459
01:56:46,433 --> 01:56:48,033
It's about the game sells well.
3460
01:56:49,066 --> 01:56:51,033
Well, you know what
3461
01:56:51,033 --> 01:56:51,966
game is going to sell well?
3462
01:56:53,466 --> 01:56:55,033
GTA six. You want to know why?
3463
01:56:55,600 --> 01:56:57,533
Because it's GTA because it's online.
3464
01:56:58,399 --> 01:57:00,199
Because it's got that penta.
3465
01:57:01,399 --> 01:57:03,533
It's a penta.
3466
01:57:04,133 --> 01:57:05,866
And I've been waiting
3467
01:57:05,866 --> 01:57:07,233
for the first penta game.
3468
01:57:08,300 --> 01:57:09,600
Damn, we only just got
3469
01:57:09,600 --> 01:57:11,533
quadruple a games last year.
3470
01:57:11,533 --> 01:57:12,966
I mean, two years ago.
3471
01:57:13,666 --> 01:57:14,466
Thanks to myself.
3472
01:57:15,366 --> 01:57:16,666
Yeah. What was a what?
3473
01:57:17,066 --> 01:57:18,266
See if these come out like
3474
01:57:18,266 --> 01:57:19,666
last year or the year before.
3475
01:57:20,033 --> 01:57:20,466
I don't remember.
3476
01:57:21,000 --> 01:57:22,733
That wasn't the quadruple a
3477
01:57:22,733 --> 01:57:23,800
game that you're thinking.
3478
01:57:24,066 --> 01:57:25,566
It was see if these
3479
01:57:25,566 --> 01:57:26,733
was the Microsoft one.
3480
01:57:26,966 --> 01:57:27,833
Oh, yeah.
3481
01:57:28,466 --> 01:57:29,266
I get those two computers.
3482
01:57:29,533 --> 01:57:31,733
I'm thinking of now I can't remember.
3483
01:57:32,199 --> 01:57:32,866
That's it.
3484
01:57:33,566 --> 01:57:37,466
Yeah, that was the first
3485
01:57:37,466 --> 01:57:40,466
quadruple a and it did not do well.
3486
01:57:40,733 --> 01:57:42,466
It's it's silly to try to do like
3487
01:57:42,466 --> 01:57:43,766
honestly, these titles,
3488
01:57:43,800 --> 01:57:45,633
I think are just more for
3489
01:57:47,133 --> 01:57:50,466
gotcha, like sensationalism.
3490
01:57:50,699 --> 01:57:52,733
But just to give a little context,
3491
01:57:53,233 --> 01:57:54,666
devolver digital co-founder
3492
01:57:55,000 --> 01:57:57,766
Nigel has basically declared Grant of
3493
01:57:57,766 --> 01:57:59,933
auto six as a whole new beast,
3494
01:58:00,033 --> 01:58:02,633
calling it a penta kill of
3495
01:58:02,633 --> 01:58:04,133
title, you know, of a game.
3496
01:58:04,866 --> 01:58:06,833
And that's gaming lingo for
3497
01:58:06,833 --> 01:58:09,166
beyond triple a kind of stuff.
3498
01:58:10,733 --> 01:58:14,899
But so if it's Nigel Lowry from Devolver
3499
01:58:14,899 --> 01:58:16,566
Digital, is this like tongue in cheek?
3500
01:58:16,833 --> 01:58:17,399
Or is he serious?
3501
01:58:17,399 --> 01:58:18,833
That's how I take it. Yeah.
3502
01:58:19,233 --> 01:58:20,666
I think that I think the
3503
01:58:20,666 --> 01:58:23,333
penta is tongue in cheek.
3504
01:58:23,333 --> 01:58:25,333
But I think the part where the entire
3505
01:58:25,333 --> 01:58:26,833
games industry is trying to hide from it,
3506
01:58:26,833 --> 01:58:27,966
like a nuclear blast.
3507
01:58:28,566 --> 01:58:29,066
That's real.
3508
01:58:29,833 --> 01:58:32,133
And this is the vulva is the company
3509
01:58:32,133 --> 01:58:34,100
that's been advertising
3510
01:58:34,266 --> 01:58:36,133
that they're going to release a game on
3511
01:58:36,133 --> 01:58:37,833
GTA six release date.
3512
01:58:38,100 --> 01:58:41,166
Are they? Yeah, I believe that's them.
3513
01:58:41,199 --> 01:58:44,233
There's there's a you know, I don't want
3514
01:58:44,233 --> 01:58:45,333
to say indie publisher,
3515
01:58:45,333 --> 01:58:46,833
but you know what I mean, like like
3516
01:58:46,833 --> 01:58:49,000
larger indie publisher like the vulva is.
3517
01:58:49,333 --> 01:58:50,266
That's been saying they're going to
3518
01:58:50,266 --> 01:58:52,000
release a day, a game on
3519
01:58:52,000 --> 01:58:53,133
the same day as GTA six.
3520
01:58:53,366 --> 01:58:56,133
And then when the GTA six release date
3521
01:58:56,133 --> 01:58:57,733
got delayed, they're like, don't worry.
3522
01:58:57,766 --> 01:58:59,666
It may it might not be the same game, but
3523
01:58:59,666 --> 01:59:01,666
we're still going to release a game
3524
01:59:01,666 --> 01:59:03,633
on the same day as GTA six.
3525
01:59:04,966 --> 01:59:06,166
They're committed to the bit.
3526
01:59:06,866 --> 01:59:08,333
They are. That is kind of
3527
01:59:08,333 --> 01:59:10,033
crazy that they're doing that.
3528
01:59:10,166 --> 01:59:13,066
It's free publicity for them, too. Yeah.
3529
01:59:13,666 --> 01:59:15,733
I mean, I actually admired
3530
01:59:15,733 --> 01:59:17,933
Devolver for their like weird
3531
01:59:17,933 --> 01:59:20,633
out levels of like commitment to just,
3532
01:59:20,833 --> 01:59:22,833
yeah, mocking and ridiculing.
3533
01:59:23,333 --> 01:59:25,533
Yeah. Here's so here's my thing, though.
3534
01:59:25,566 --> 01:59:28,933
What of GTA six sucks?
3535
01:59:30,199 --> 01:59:31,066
Oh, it was what's going
3536
01:59:31,066 --> 01:59:32,033
to happen to the industry?
3537
01:59:34,033 --> 01:59:37,633
Dude, I hope GTA fails spectacularly
3538
01:59:37,733 --> 01:59:41,000
and takes the AAA industry with it.
3539
01:59:41,333 --> 01:59:45,266
You sound that just that sound bites out.
3540
01:59:45,266 --> 01:59:46,166
Reminds me of Thor.
3541
01:59:46,166 --> 01:59:47,766
It's like, I hope you get everything you
3542
01:59:47,766 --> 01:59:49,666
ask for and nothing you wanted.
3543
01:59:50,666 --> 01:59:52,233
Like, you can't compare.
3544
01:59:52,266 --> 01:59:54,333
I know I didn't.
3545
01:59:54,333 --> 01:59:55,466
That's what Gardner is.
3546
01:59:55,733 --> 01:59:56,533
Nothing like Thor.
3547
01:59:56,533 --> 01:59:57,666
Just that little sound
3548
01:59:57,666 --> 01:59:59,033
bite was what reminded me.
3549
01:59:59,566 --> 02:00:00,366
So I apologize.
3550
02:00:00,566 --> 02:00:01,366
You're nothing like.
3551
02:00:01,933 --> 02:00:04,000
Oh, I thought you meant like Thor from
3552
02:00:04,000 --> 02:00:06,066
like the Marvel movies or like the North.
3553
02:00:06,533 --> 02:00:07,699
Pirate software, dude. Yeah.
3554
02:00:07,699 --> 02:00:08,733
Oh, yeah. That guy.
3555
02:00:12,533 --> 02:00:15,366
Like, yes, not going to fail.
3556
02:00:15,699 --> 02:00:17,433
It's probably won't fail.
3557
02:00:17,666 --> 02:00:19,366
People will fill up, if anything.
3558
02:00:19,366 --> 02:00:20,366
If it's bad, people are
3559
02:00:20,366 --> 02:00:21,333
still going to buy it.
3560
02:00:21,433 --> 02:00:22,266
Well, it has a trailer
3561
02:00:22,266 --> 02:00:24,433
alone looks really good.
3562
02:00:24,433 --> 02:00:25,566
It's got me even thinking
3563
02:00:25,566 --> 02:00:26,899
about getting it day one.
3564
02:00:27,399 --> 02:00:29,933
If I don't have to follow the
3565
02:00:29,933 --> 02:00:31,566
story very hard for a while,
3566
02:00:31,566 --> 02:00:32,933
like I just want to get in
3567
02:00:32,933 --> 02:00:34,066
that world and fuck around.
3568
02:00:36,366 --> 02:00:37,533
It's GTA, man.
3569
02:00:37,733 --> 02:00:40,266
I bet you you can just like stop doing a
3570
02:00:40,266 --> 02:00:41,433
story after like the tutorial
3571
02:00:41,433 --> 02:00:42,333
and just do whatever.
3572
02:00:43,100 --> 02:00:44,033
It's definitely going to sell.
3573
02:00:44,533 --> 02:00:47,633
I I what my feeling is.
3574
02:00:47,933 --> 02:00:48,633
And this is one of those
3575
02:00:48,633 --> 02:00:49,866
things where I'm probably wrong,
3576
02:00:50,000 --> 02:00:50,966
just like the Steam frame.
3577
02:00:51,233 --> 02:00:53,199
What my feeling is, is that it's going.
3578
02:00:53,933 --> 02:00:56,633
GTA six will be the first game in the GTA
3579
02:00:56,633 --> 02:00:58,566
since, you know, series since three
3580
02:00:59,133 --> 02:01:00,833
that will cause like the
3581
02:01:00,833 --> 02:01:02,533
series to lose some luster.
3582
02:01:03,000 --> 02:01:04,866
Right. Like people are going to play it.
3583
02:01:04,866 --> 02:01:06,833
And it's like, oh, it's
3584
02:01:06,833 --> 02:01:07,933
just thought it'd be better.
3585
02:01:08,433 --> 02:01:09,233
Yeah, yeah.
3586
02:01:09,233 --> 02:01:10,633
Like I thought this would be better.
3587
02:01:11,733 --> 02:01:13,866
That's my some of those things in the
3588
02:01:13,866 --> 02:01:15,933
trailer looks so interesting.
3589
02:01:16,533 --> 02:01:17,566
Yeah. Developer standpoint, I
3590
02:01:18,466 --> 02:01:20,866
more or less was so over.
3591
02:01:20,866 --> 02:01:22,766
Sorry. Here's my question, though.
3592
02:01:24,066 --> 02:01:26,366
A couple of months ago, there were rumors
3593
02:01:26,366 --> 02:01:28,066
that GTA six would be,
3594
02:01:28,066 --> 02:01:29,000
I mean, would be the first
3595
02:01:29,000 --> 02:01:30,399
hundred dollar video game.
3596
02:01:30,399 --> 02:01:32,899
Do you guys still think it might be the
3597
02:01:32,899 --> 02:01:33,833
hundred dollar video game
3598
02:01:33,833 --> 02:01:35,366
that the industry has been begging for?
3599
02:01:36,333 --> 02:01:37,166
When I say the entry, I mean
3600
02:01:37,166 --> 02:01:39,766
like the top suits, not gamers.
3601
02:01:40,833 --> 02:01:42,566
Yeah. On the one hand, there's like.
3602
02:01:43,733 --> 02:01:46,366
There seems to be the triple A publisher
3603
02:01:46,366 --> 02:01:47,566
seem to be backing off of that.
3604
02:01:47,600 --> 02:01:49,333
Right. Ever since the Microsoft thing.
3605
02:01:49,899 --> 02:01:52,300
And then EA was like, you know, they kept
3606
02:01:52,300 --> 02:01:53,966
asking during shareholder meetings
3607
02:01:53,966 --> 02:01:55,533
or whatever, wherever they were asking.
3608
02:01:55,766 --> 02:01:56,866
Yeah. And he is like, no,
3609
02:01:57,266 --> 02:01:58,566
we're not doing that anytime soon.
3610
02:01:58,566 --> 02:02:00,466
Don't ask us anymore. Whatever it was.
3611
02:02:01,766 --> 02:02:02,866
And so like they seem to
3612
02:02:02,866 --> 02:02:04,366
be backing off of that.
3613
02:02:04,966 --> 02:02:07,833
Yeah, but none of those are our GTA six.
3614
02:02:09,000 --> 02:02:11,533
Exactly. So yeah, I think it's possible.
3615
02:02:11,866 --> 02:02:15,166
I think I think no doubt
3616
02:02:15,266 --> 02:02:16,199
it'll be an eighty
3617
02:02:16,199 --> 02:02:17,933
dollar game at this point.
3618
02:02:18,899 --> 02:02:19,800
Yeah. Yeah.
3619
02:02:20,066 --> 02:02:22,366
Rockstar loves milking their community.
3620
02:02:23,366 --> 02:02:24,466
I mean, look at GTA online.
3621
02:02:25,066 --> 02:02:28,433
It's just that makes so much money.
3622
02:02:28,966 --> 02:02:31,566
So on one on one side, I could see them
3623
02:02:31,566 --> 02:02:32,366
charging one hundred dollars
3624
02:02:32,366 --> 02:02:33,666
because it doesn't seem like they, you
3625
02:02:33,666 --> 02:02:34,933
know, they just they want that money.
3626
02:02:35,833 --> 02:02:36,566
On the other side,
3627
02:02:37,699 --> 02:02:39,433
maybe they'll they'll make it priced a
3628
02:02:39,433 --> 02:02:41,033
little lower and then pick it up
3629
02:02:41,033 --> 02:02:42,466
in like GTA online stuff.
3630
02:02:43,199 --> 02:02:45,199
Or they could sell it for one hundred
3631
02:02:45,199 --> 02:02:47,666
dollars and then scalpy up the ass
3632
02:02:48,466 --> 02:02:49,633
for a shark. Yeah.
3633
02:02:50,533 --> 02:02:51,633
But here's the thing.
3634
02:02:54,066 --> 02:02:57,033
If they sell it for one hundred dollars,
3635
02:02:57,033 --> 02:02:58,233
they won't sell as many copies.
3636
02:02:58,233 --> 02:02:59,500
They're just guaranteed they will not
3637
02:02:59,500 --> 02:03:00,333
sell as many copies.
3638
02:03:00,800 --> 02:03:02,433
If copies in hand is
3639
02:03:02,433 --> 02:03:03,500
where they're going to get you
3640
02:03:03,966 --> 02:03:05,333
after the fact with a lot of these
3641
02:03:05,333 --> 02:03:07,833
things, then selling it for 40, 50 bucks
3642
02:03:07,833 --> 02:03:09,199
is probably the sweet spot.
3643
02:03:10,133 --> 02:03:12,300
Now they'll do that. That'd be smart if
3644
02:03:12,300 --> 02:03:13,033
they had good analysts.
3645
02:03:13,033 --> 02:03:15,333
But I don't think any triple A game
3646
02:03:15,333 --> 02:03:17,166
company has good analysts.
3647
02:03:17,466 --> 02:03:18,800
So here's what they're going to do.
3648
02:03:19,699 --> 02:03:20,233
They're going to
3649
02:03:20,233 --> 02:03:21,833
release it at 80 dollars.
3650
02:03:22,233 --> 02:03:24,633
OK, and then they're going to rerelease
3651
02:03:24,633 --> 02:03:26,766
it the next year for 90 dollars
3652
02:03:26,766 --> 02:03:31,066
and the next year for 100 on PC to on PC.
3653
02:03:31,066 --> 02:03:32,366
Yeah, you're going to get three different
3654
02:03:32,366 --> 02:03:33,633
editions of the game.
3655
02:03:34,266 --> 02:03:35,166
And each time they're
3656
02:03:35,166 --> 02:03:36,166
going to increase the price.
3657
02:03:36,566 --> 02:03:38,666
Or they might just like just increase the
3658
02:03:38,666 --> 02:03:39,866
price on the original version.
3659
02:03:40,500 --> 02:03:42,133
And because that's what
3660
02:03:42,133 --> 02:03:43,733
the industry does now.
3661
02:03:44,000 --> 02:03:45,899
So it is. Yeah.
3662
02:03:45,899 --> 02:03:48,333
So just worth mentioning the GTA six not
3663
02:03:48,333 --> 02:03:49,566
coming up to PC at launch,
3664
02:03:50,133 --> 02:03:51,399
which means you're going to have to buy
3665
02:03:51,399 --> 02:03:52,566
on one of your console.
3666
02:03:53,866 --> 02:03:54,566
So now the big
3667
02:03:54,566 --> 02:03:56,766
question is should you wait?
3668
02:03:57,000 --> 02:03:58,233
The big question is, are you going to
3669
02:03:58,233 --> 02:03:59,733
wait for the PC release
3670
02:04:00,533 --> 02:04:01,833
or are you going to buy the consoles?
3671
02:04:01,833 --> 02:04:02,466
And this is for
3672
02:04:02,466 --> 02:04:03,933
everyone and the audience, too.
3673
02:04:04,300 --> 02:04:05,533
So let us know in the
3674
02:04:05,533 --> 02:04:06,633
comments if we're going to do that.
3675
02:04:07,300 --> 02:04:09,766
Yeah. Well, I seeing as they won't make
3676
02:04:09,833 --> 02:04:12,533
GTA six for any consoles that I own.
3677
02:04:13,433 --> 02:04:15,166
Oh, wow. Yeah.
3678
02:04:15,566 --> 02:04:16,500
Going back to the GameCube.
3679
02:04:16,866 --> 02:04:18,100
Yeah, dude, if they put it on the
3680
02:04:18,100 --> 02:04:19,633
GameCube, I'd play the hell out of it.
3681
02:04:20,966 --> 02:04:22,333
How much would you pay for it?
3682
02:04:22,800 --> 02:04:24,199
GT six for the game version.
3683
02:04:25,100 --> 02:04:26,033
If it came on a little
3684
02:04:26,033 --> 02:04:27,533
on a little disc, I would.
3685
02:04:27,800 --> 02:04:29,933
I'd probably pay like 50 bucks, maybe.
3686
02:04:32,399 --> 02:04:34,566
That's a game on two or three.
3687
02:04:34,733 --> 02:04:35,766
You know. Oh, yeah.
3688
02:04:35,800 --> 02:04:37,166
Yeah. If it came on two or three, I'd
3689
02:04:37,166 --> 02:04:38,466
definitely give them an extra five.
3690
02:04:38,566 --> 02:04:40,833
Now, here's my question, though.
3691
02:04:42,133 --> 02:04:44,766
Now, of course, we all think that
3692
02:04:44,766 --> 02:04:46,266
Rockstar is probably going to charge more
3693
02:04:46,433 --> 02:04:49,300
at least at minimum 70 dollars, right?
3694
02:04:49,766 --> 02:04:51,466
Yeah. But what if Rockstar
3695
02:04:51,466 --> 02:04:53,166
charges like 50 dollars for it?
3696
02:04:54,133 --> 02:04:54,566
What do you think would
3697
02:04:54,566 --> 02:04:55,266
happen in the industry?
3698
02:04:55,266 --> 02:04:56,466
Because I remember there was some
3699
02:04:56,466 --> 02:04:58,600
discussions that you like remember
3700
02:04:58,633 --> 02:05:00,633
how like Silksong is 20 bucks and some
3701
02:05:00,633 --> 02:05:01,733
indie does or questioning
3702
02:05:01,733 --> 02:05:02,866
whether or not they should sell their
3703
02:05:02,866 --> 02:05:03,866
game at twenty dollars.
3704
02:05:04,466 --> 02:05:05,566
Like what that happens, but
3705
02:05:05,566 --> 02:05:07,899
with GTA six at a much bigger,
3706
02:05:07,966 --> 02:05:09,033
triple A scale.
3707
02:05:10,100 --> 02:05:13,766
It'd be. True capitalism in the sense of
3708
02:05:13,766 --> 02:05:14,566
like they could sell
3709
02:05:14,566 --> 02:05:16,233
so many more copies and compete.
3710
02:05:17,266 --> 02:05:18,500
It'd be smart. I think it'd be smart
3711
02:05:18,500 --> 02:05:19,566
because it's some more copies.
3712
02:05:19,566 --> 02:05:21,100
Yeah. And then every other developer
3713
02:05:21,100 --> 02:05:21,933
would be, oh, shoot.
3714
02:05:22,333 --> 02:05:23,766
Our 70 dollar game isn't as
3715
02:05:23,766 --> 02:05:25,866
good as this 50 dollar GTA six.
3716
02:05:26,399 --> 02:05:27,766
Yes, we got to lower our prices again.
3717
02:05:28,433 --> 02:05:29,633
You got to know your market, too.
3718
02:05:29,833 --> 02:05:30,399
Yeah, you did.
3719
02:05:30,566 --> 02:05:32,566
Yeah, I've said this elsewhere.
3720
02:05:32,866 --> 02:05:33,633
Bring bring back
3721
02:05:33,633 --> 02:05:34,766
undercutting competitors.
3722
02:05:35,433 --> 02:05:36,833
I would. That would be amazing.
3723
02:05:37,833 --> 02:05:40,000
Rockstar, I'll let you I'll let you
3724
02:05:40,000 --> 02:05:42,166
undercut all the 70 dollar video games.
3725
02:05:42,466 --> 02:05:45,333
Yeah. I'm the problem with undercutting.
3726
02:05:45,399 --> 02:05:47,566
Sorry, just really is that it's where we
3727
02:05:47,566 --> 02:05:48,433
it's why we've gotten,
3728
02:05:48,433 --> 02:05:49,066
I think, to now
3729
02:05:49,066 --> 02:05:51,833
monopolies, it creates monopolies.
3730
02:05:52,033 --> 02:05:52,866
Fair. Yeah.
3731
02:05:53,333 --> 02:05:55,166
So that is fair.
3732
02:05:55,533 --> 02:05:56,933
Yeah. But at the same time,
3733
02:05:56,933 --> 02:06:00,866
though, video games, video games.
3734
02:06:00,866 --> 02:06:01,699
I have a James.
3735
02:06:01,699 --> 02:06:02,966
I think I think if
3736
02:06:02,966 --> 02:06:03,933
they sold at 50 dollars,
3737
02:06:04,600 --> 02:06:06,666
I think that'd be smaller, smarter than
3738
02:06:06,666 --> 02:06:07,833
selling it at 80 plus.
3739
02:06:09,199 --> 02:06:11,866
And it goes from like, I don't think I'm
3740
02:06:11,866 --> 02:06:13,166
going to buy it at 70 dollars.
3741
02:06:13,166 --> 02:06:14,366
Excuse me. I don't think I'll buy it.
3742
02:06:14,633 --> 02:06:15,766
Certainly not on console.
3743
02:06:16,300 --> 02:06:17,166
But when it comes to PC,
3744
02:06:17,466 --> 02:06:19,066
I'll consider it at 70 dollars.
3745
02:06:20,233 --> 02:06:21,533
But if it was 50 dollars, it
3746
02:06:21,533 --> 02:06:22,699
would be an instant buy for me.
3747
02:06:22,699 --> 02:06:24,433
And I think there I mean, I know that
3748
02:06:24,433 --> 02:06:25,033
this is one of the
3749
02:06:25,033 --> 02:06:26,066
most anticipated games,
3750
02:06:26,066 --> 02:06:27,000
but I imagine that there are
3751
02:06:27,000 --> 02:06:28,433
people like me that are like,
3752
02:06:29,033 --> 02:06:30,366
not going to buy it at
3753
02:06:30,366 --> 02:06:32,899
70, but, you know, 60 or 50.
3754
02:06:32,966 --> 02:06:34,266
No question. I'll buy it.
3755
02:06:35,133 --> 02:06:36,166
The only way they're getting any money
3756
02:06:36,166 --> 02:06:37,633
for me is if they port the GameCube.
3757
02:06:41,066 --> 02:06:42,333
It's reasonable. Yeah.
3758
02:06:42,600 --> 02:06:43,366
Don't get my ideas.
3759
02:06:43,833 --> 02:06:45,133
They're already they already release
3760
02:06:45,133 --> 02:06:46,833
everything over and over. So.
3761
02:06:48,500 --> 02:06:50,866
For me, I want to find a way to borrow
3762
02:06:50,866 --> 02:06:52,133
this from someone to play it.
3763
02:06:52,133 --> 02:06:53,266
That's how I want to do it,
3764
02:06:53,266 --> 02:06:55,133
because I want to I want to
3765
02:06:56,733 --> 02:06:57,500
really destruct
3766
02:06:57,500 --> 02:06:59,300
deconstructed a little bit from like a
3767
02:06:59,566 --> 02:07:03,466
the graphical side of things and maybe
3768
02:07:03,466 --> 02:07:04,399
developer side of things,
3769
02:07:04,399 --> 02:07:05,266
because I'm interested in
3770
02:07:05,266 --> 02:07:06,766
that in this game and see what
3771
02:07:07,399 --> 02:07:09,066
billions of dollars gets you in a game.
3772
02:07:09,699 --> 02:07:12,633
But I just don't know if I could pay 70,
3773
02:07:12,633 --> 02:07:13,566
80 dollars for something.
3774
02:07:13,800 --> 02:07:14,333
I'm not going to play
3775
02:07:14,333 --> 02:07:15,933
that much after that. Yeah.
3776
02:07:16,800 --> 02:07:18,066
That's totally bad.
3777
02:07:19,966 --> 02:07:22,566
Yeah. But high tech, high tech, you're
3778
02:07:22,566 --> 02:07:23,833
going to get someone to buy it for you
3779
02:07:23,833 --> 02:07:24,833
and then pay them back, right? So you
3780
02:07:24,833 --> 02:07:25,633
don't have to pay them directly.
3781
02:07:26,600 --> 02:07:28,066
Dude, I don't know about G.T.
3782
02:07:28,066 --> 02:07:31,600
Six. You're going to get it.
3783
02:07:32,366 --> 02:07:34,666
I mean, when it first comes out, I don't
3784
02:07:34,666 --> 02:07:36,033
know if I'm going to get G.T.
3785
02:07:36,033 --> 02:07:37,166
Six at launch either, to be honest.
3786
02:07:38,066 --> 02:07:39,733
No, I don't have a
3787
02:07:39,733 --> 02:07:40,666
console that's up to date
3788
02:07:41,199 --> 02:07:42,033
because I'm waiting for
3789
02:07:42,033 --> 02:07:43,533
my PS5 to be hackable.
3790
02:07:46,300 --> 02:07:49,433
You just have all your devices in boxes.
3791
02:07:49,433 --> 02:07:51,033
You're like, one day it'll be valuable.
3792
02:07:51,866 --> 02:07:52,733
But one day.
3793
02:07:53,966 --> 02:07:54,766
Yeah, man.
3794
02:07:58,166 --> 02:08:01,133
But I think there is some solace in
3795
02:08:01,133 --> 02:08:02,466
knowing that, you know, G.T.
3796
02:08:02,533 --> 02:08:04,333
Six will finally be out and then now
3797
02:08:04,333 --> 02:08:07,300
people just ask for bloodborne on PC.
3798
02:08:10,433 --> 02:08:11,300
I'm waiting for it.
3799
02:08:12,166 --> 02:08:14,466
Yeah, same to natural forget
3800
02:08:14,466 --> 02:08:16,000
bloodborne on PC before G.T.
3801
02:08:16,000 --> 02:08:18,500
Six on PC. That'd be so funny.
3802
02:08:18,933 --> 02:08:19,399
What happened?
3803
02:08:22,333 --> 02:08:26,399
Oh, well, I know which one I'm buying.
3804
02:08:27,699 --> 02:08:30,333
Bloodborne, I still have it for PS4 and I
3805
02:08:30,333 --> 02:08:30,966
haven't beat it yet,
3806
02:08:30,966 --> 02:08:32,833
but I still buy bloodborne again.
3807
02:08:34,600 --> 02:08:35,866
Yeah, because it is
3808
02:08:35,866 --> 02:08:36,899
actually a pretty good game.
3809
02:08:36,899 --> 02:08:38,333
I just didn't finish it.
3810
02:08:38,866 --> 02:08:39,633
I don't remember.
3811
02:08:39,766 --> 02:08:40,466
I don't know. I'd love or
3812
02:08:40,466 --> 02:08:41,633
to scare you as hell, man.
3813
02:08:42,300 --> 02:08:44,866
I have not finished a souls born yet
3814
02:08:44,866 --> 02:08:47,300
outside of Sekiro if you count that one.
3815
02:08:47,300 --> 02:08:49,000
So I feel yeah, I don't
3816
02:08:49,000 --> 02:08:49,833
I don't know what it is.
3817
02:08:50,333 --> 02:08:51,966
I love them, but I
3818
02:08:51,966 --> 02:08:53,166
just haven't beaten one.
3819
02:08:54,266 --> 02:08:56,766
I don't necessarily like him that much
3820
02:08:56,766 --> 02:08:58,833
per se, but that is like
3821
02:08:58,833 --> 02:09:00,000
bloodborne is a good one.
3822
02:09:00,966 --> 02:09:02,866
We got it like we got it.
3823
02:09:02,866 --> 02:09:03,733
We got to wrap this up.
3824
02:09:04,266 --> 02:09:06,233
It's our time to end.
3825
02:09:06,866 --> 02:09:08,800
It's been a great episode.
3826
02:09:09,000 --> 02:09:09,533
Honestly, it's been
3827
02:09:09,533 --> 02:09:10,500
great having you on, Rich.
3828
02:09:11,766 --> 02:09:13,500
And the topics have been amazing.
3829
02:09:13,833 --> 02:09:15,733
We've even had we've gone so deep into
3830
02:09:15,733 --> 02:09:16,333
some of these topics
3831
02:09:16,333 --> 02:09:17,399
that we've had to skip a couple.
3832
02:09:17,633 --> 02:09:18,566
So I apologize.
3833
02:09:18,800 --> 02:09:20,199
I'm not going to say what they are.
3834
02:09:20,566 --> 02:09:21,733
So the listeners are just going to have
3835
02:09:21,733 --> 02:09:23,966
to guess and be tormented with that.
3836
02:09:24,600 --> 02:09:26,066
Anything anything garden or rich?
3837
02:09:26,066 --> 02:09:26,433
You want to plug
3838
02:09:26,433 --> 02:09:27,500
yourself rich one more time?
3839
02:09:27,899 --> 02:09:28,566
No. Yeah.
3840
02:09:28,666 --> 02:09:29,166
Fand the deck.
3841
02:09:29,666 --> 02:09:32,633
I make steam deck videos and I want to
3842
02:09:32,633 --> 02:09:35,199
make a video on the play date
3843
02:09:35,633 --> 02:09:36,866
and playing around with that.
3844
02:09:36,866 --> 02:09:37,600
So maybe I'll do that.
3845
02:09:37,800 --> 02:09:39,633
Yeah, I'd like that.
3846
02:09:40,100 --> 02:09:41,466
Yeah. Yeah.
3847
02:09:43,166 --> 02:09:43,800
That's all I got.
3848
02:09:44,566 --> 02:09:45,833
Yeah, you can make a game for it.
3849
02:09:46,800 --> 02:09:49,333
Uh, no, I I I've tried
3850
02:09:49,333 --> 02:09:50,333
making a couple of games.
3851
02:09:50,633 --> 02:09:51,899
I just never stick to it.
3852
02:09:52,000 --> 02:09:54,566
So are you going to make a new channel
3853
02:09:54,566 --> 02:09:57,000
fan the fan, the play, the end of date.
3854
02:09:57,466 --> 02:09:58,533
You found the day.
3855
02:09:58,833 --> 02:09:59,933
Yeah, look out for that.
3856
02:10:00,399 --> 02:10:01,399
That sounds awesome.
3857
02:10:02,233 --> 02:10:03,166
You know, you should do it.
3858
02:10:03,366 --> 02:10:04,033
I'm doing it.
3859
02:10:04,033 --> 02:10:04,233
Awesome.
3860
02:10:05,266 --> 02:10:06,233
What's the next April Fools?
3861
02:10:06,633 --> 02:10:07,199
I'll do it.
3862
02:10:07,933 --> 02:10:09,000
Do it. Oh, I love it.
3863
02:10:09,000 --> 02:10:09,733
It is videos.
3864
02:10:10,199 --> 02:10:12,266
OK, guys, this is it.
3865
02:10:12,266 --> 02:10:13,399
We're signing out.
3866
02:10:13,466 --> 02:10:15,933
Make sure to comment below and we'll get
3867
02:10:15,933 --> 02:10:16,566
to your comments
3868
02:10:16,566 --> 02:10:17,833
sometime in the near future,
3869
02:10:18,466 --> 02:10:18,899
hopefully.
3870
02:10:19,666 --> 02:10:20,699
And thank you guys for
3871
02:10:20,699 --> 02:10:21,566
watching and listening.
3872
02:10:21,566 --> 02:10:21,899
Peace out.
3873
02:10:22,266 --> 02:10:24,233
See you guys. See you later.