1 00:00:00,300 --> 00:00:02,433 Also worth mentioning is that, uh, 2 00:00:02,700 --> 00:00:03,966 sometime I believe last 3 00:00:03,966 --> 00:00:05,966 week, Valve made a change to 4 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:07,833 Reviews, where you only see 5 00:00:07,833 --> 00:00:09,033 reviews in your own language. 6 00:00:09,533 --> 00:00:12,366 And English reviews are 94% positive, but 7 00:00:12,366 --> 00:00:12,666 if you look at 8 00:00:12,666 --> 00:00:14,000 reviews in other languages, 9 00:00:14,533 --> 00:00:16,466 it's- simplified Chinese is mixed, and 10 00:00:16,466 --> 00:00:17,533 that's a good- I just 11 00:00:17,533 --> 00:00:18,500 wanted to mention that, because 12 00:00:18,500 --> 00:00:19,366 I thought that was really funny. 13 00:00:19,733 --> 00:00:20,466 Okay, read it for us. 14 00:00:20,466 --> 00:00:21,033 I want to know what they're 15 00:00:21,033 --> 00:00:22,199 saying, if they don't like it. 16 00:00:22,666 --> 00:00:24,233 Sorry, dude, I'm not that kind of Asian. 17 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:25,966 Wait, you're Asian? 18 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:26,866 Yes. 19 00:00:28,466 --> 00:00:29,766 I thought you were animated. 20 00:00:30,466 --> 00:00:31,766 Dude, same thing. 21 00:00:32,566 --> 00:00:33,933 I just want to say, I translated this. 22 00:00:34,166 --> 00:00:34,566 Is it fun? 23 00:00:34,966 --> 00:00:36,366 That's all this is, is it fun? 24 00:00:36,366 --> 00:00:36,566 Is it? 25 00:00:37,466 --> 00:00:39,366 13 hours down vote. 26 00:00:39,966 --> 00:00:40,500 Is it fun? 27 00:00:40,899 --> 00:00:41,799 I take that to mean 28 00:00:41,799 --> 00:00:43,333 they don't think it's fun. 29 00:00:50,266 --> 00:00:50,466 What? 30 00:00:50,966 --> 00:00:51,166 What? 31 00:00:52,433 --> 00:00:52,633 What? 32 00:00:53,066 --> 00:00:55,933 We actually got rich. 33 00:00:56,466 --> 00:00:57,133 Just for me. Just for me. 34 00:00:57,466 --> 00:00:59,033 I appreciate that, guys. 35 00:00:59,033 --> 00:01:00,133 So is a warm welcome. 36 00:01:00,533 --> 00:01:03,033 Always, and it's special just for you. 37 00:01:03,033 --> 00:01:06,533 So, welcome to Off the Console, the 38 00:01:06,533 --> 00:01:07,633 hottest new podcast. 39 00:01:07,633 --> 00:01:08,500 It's all about gaming 40 00:01:08,500 --> 00:01:10,133 tech news and anything nerdy. 41 00:01:10,599 --> 00:01:12,366 This week, we're covering the biggest 42 00:01:12,366 --> 00:01:14,666 news, including the 43 00:01:14,666 --> 00:01:15,933 Steamframe, which is going to 44 00:01:15,933 --> 00:01:17,766 be hopefully glasses for our head. 45 00:01:18,599 --> 00:01:22,466 And then we also have- handhelds are 46 00:01:22,466 --> 00:01:23,900 becoming thousands of dollars now. 47 00:01:24,466 --> 00:01:25,599 We're going to be 48 00:01:25,599 --> 00:01:29,966 talking about that sad news. 49 00:01:29,966 --> 00:01:32,533 And then we're also going to be talking 50 00:01:32,533 --> 00:01:33,533 about something that we 51 00:01:33,533 --> 00:01:34,566 thought would never happen. 52 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:36,400 It happened before GTA 6. 53 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,333 It happened before Half Life 3. 54 00:01:38,900 --> 00:01:40,266 Silk Song came out finally. 55 00:01:41,066 --> 00:01:42,933 And it's looking pretty good. 56 00:01:42,933 --> 00:01:43,700 And we got a lot of 57 00:01:43,700 --> 00:01:45,333 other news for you guys. 58 00:01:45,666 --> 00:01:48,500 So let's waste it no more time. 59 00:01:48,566 --> 00:01:50,133 Let's introduce everyone. 60 00:01:50,733 --> 00:01:51,599 We got Gardener here. 61 00:01:51,599 --> 00:01:52,433 We got Hi-Tech. 62 00:01:52,766 --> 00:01:54,466 We got our special guest, Rich. 63 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:55,400 Hey, guys. 64 00:01:55,566 --> 00:01:55,766 Welcome. 65 00:01:56,333 --> 00:01:56,700 Thank you. 66 00:01:56,700 --> 00:01:57,733 Thank you for having me. 67 00:01:57,733 --> 00:01:58,766 Always a pleasure to be on. 68 00:01:59,166 --> 00:02:00,366 You got to say what channel he's from. 69 00:02:01,466 --> 00:02:01,833 Oh, yeah. 70 00:02:02,266 --> 00:02:03,799 I'm on- well, I can give it, right? 71 00:02:04,733 --> 00:02:08,466 I'm on youtube.com slash fand the deck. 72 00:02:08,733 --> 00:02:10,400 Yeah, covering Steam Deck News and 73 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,099 whatever tickles my fancy. 74 00:02:15,033 --> 00:02:16,566 That's good stuff to cover. 75 00:02:17,099 --> 00:02:17,633 Yeah, exactly. 76 00:02:17,966 --> 00:02:18,633 I'm there with you on that. 77 00:02:19,166 --> 00:02:19,366 There. 78 00:02:20,766 --> 00:02:22,599 Let's start out by talking about what we 79 00:02:22,599 --> 00:02:23,833 did or played this week. 80 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:25,699 Rich, since you're the guest, would you 81 00:02:25,699 --> 00:02:27,933 like to- you've been here before, right? 82 00:02:27,933 --> 00:02:28,933 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 83 00:02:28,933 --> 00:02:31,133 So I've been- I mean, it's only been a 84 00:02:31,133 --> 00:02:31,866 couple of days, but I've 85 00:02:31,866 --> 00:02:33,000 been heavy on Silk Song 86 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:33,599 already. 87 00:02:34,866 --> 00:02:37,666 And I had- when I was on the Nerd Nest 88 00:02:37,666 --> 00:02:38,966 podcast last week, I was- 89 00:02:39,133 --> 00:02:39,866 you know, I was one of the 90 00:02:39,866 --> 00:02:41,466 many people that were playing the 91 00:02:41,466 --> 00:02:42,599 original Hollow Knight, 92 00:02:42,599 --> 00:02:43,800 like trying to beat it before 93 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:44,666 Silk Song came out. 94 00:02:45,233 --> 00:02:46,566 Spoiler alert, I didn't. 95 00:02:47,266 --> 00:02:50,533 But I had complaints about Hollow Knight. 96 00:02:50,566 --> 00:02:51,833 The original Hollow Knight, and I feel 97 00:02:51,833 --> 00:02:53,099 like Silk Song addressed 98 00:02:53,099 --> 00:02:54,933 pretty much all of them, 99 00:02:54,933 --> 00:02:57,766 not the map kind of stuff, which isn't as 100 00:02:57,766 --> 00:02:59,266 heavy of a complaint for me. 101 00:02:59,266 --> 00:03:01,033 But like the combat's much better, the 102 00:03:01,033 --> 00:03:02,066 movement's much better. 103 00:03:03,066 --> 00:03:04,699 It's a lot more vibrant in terms of just 104 00:03:04,699 --> 00:03:07,733 like the color palette that is on screen. 105 00:03:09,366 --> 00:03:11,699 And you know, it's 20 stinking bucks. 106 00:03:12,066 --> 00:03:14,433 So like easy, easy play for me. 107 00:03:15,133 --> 00:03:16,633 Would you say people should just skip 108 00:03:16,633 --> 00:03:17,433 Hollow Knight and go 109 00:03:17,433 --> 00:03:18,366 straight to Silk Song? 110 00:03:19,933 --> 00:03:20,566 I would say so. 111 00:03:20,566 --> 00:03:21,699 I'm not really precious 112 00:03:21,699 --> 00:03:22,933 about that sort of thing. 113 00:03:23,433 --> 00:03:24,866 And I think Hollow Knight in particular, 114 00:03:25,366 --> 00:03:27,466 like there is lore, 115 00:03:27,766 --> 00:03:29,433 obviously, that's shared between 116 00:03:29,433 --> 00:03:30,033 the two games. 117 00:03:30,533 --> 00:03:35,000 But the lore is like, it's all kind of 118 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:36,400 like in a Souls kind of 119 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:37,333 way, kind of like ambiguous, 120 00:03:37,566 --> 00:03:37,866 right? 121 00:03:37,866 --> 00:03:38,800 Like you can just 122 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,800 soak it in for Silk Song. 123 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:43,133 And if you want to go back to Hollow 124 00:03:43,133 --> 00:03:45,166 Knight, then you'll soak that in. 125 00:03:45,233 --> 00:03:46,366 It doesn't have to be in 126 00:03:46,366 --> 00:03:48,833 order as far as I can tell. 127 00:03:50,166 --> 00:03:53,633 I will say you probably, at least for me, 128 00:03:53,866 --> 00:03:54,566 you probably won't 129 00:03:54,566 --> 00:03:55,466 want to go back to Hollow 130 00:03:55,466 --> 00:03:55,666 Knight. 131 00:03:55,933 --> 00:03:57,599 Just like I said, the movement is a lot 132 00:03:57,599 --> 00:03:59,233 more fluid in this one. 133 00:03:59,533 --> 00:04:00,566 So yeah. 134 00:04:02,233 --> 00:04:02,666 Makes sense. 135 00:04:02,666 --> 00:04:03,133 Makes sense. 136 00:04:03,633 --> 00:04:03,833 Yeah. 137 00:04:04,866 --> 00:04:05,866 Have you guys been 138 00:04:05,866 --> 00:04:06,966 playing Hollow or Silk Song? 139 00:04:08,500 --> 00:04:10,800 I've thought about dropping everything 140 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:11,933 for Silk Song, but 141 00:04:11,933 --> 00:04:12,866 work just keeps getting in 142 00:04:12,866 --> 00:04:13,366 the way, man. 143 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:14,966 I hear that, man. 144 00:04:15,333 --> 00:04:18,833 I'm making it my priority this coming 145 00:04:18,833 --> 00:04:20,066 week to play Silk Song. 146 00:04:20,566 --> 00:04:21,966 I can't believe you, High Tech. 147 00:04:22,333 --> 00:04:24,399 You have mentioned it more than anyone 148 00:04:24,399 --> 00:04:25,399 else on this podcast. 149 00:04:27,100 --> 00:04:28,866 I thought this would be like an all day, 150 00:04:29,266 --> 00:04:31,033 you would call in sick kind of thing. 151 00:04:31,466 --> 00:04:32,500 I'm heavily disappointed. 152 00:04:33,366 --> 00:04:33,666 Hey, man. 153 00:04:33,666 --> 00:04:35,666 I used my vacation 154 00:04:35,666 --> 00:04:37,100 days to go to Japan, dude. 155 00:04:38,433 --> 00:04:38,899 That's true. 156 00:04:39,466 --> 00:04:39,666 Yeah. 157 00:04:40,033 --> 00:04:40,233 Yeah. 158 00:04:40,733 --> 00:04:42,466 But I think a lot of people must have 159 00:04:42,466 --> 00:04:43,466 called in sick, right? 160 00:04:43,533 --> 00:04:46,866 Like it got to, what was it, 560,000 161 00:04:46,866 --> 00:04:49,566 concurrent users on just Steam, right? 162 00:04:49,566 --> 00:04:52,966 Like to say nothing of the non-concurrent 163 00:04:52,966 --> 00:04:54,233 users and then, of 164 00:04:54,233 --> 00:04:55,333 course, the other platforms 165 00:04:55,333 --> 00:04:56,399 that people were playing on. 166 00:04:57,133 --> 00:05:00,033 I think the only other time I did this 167 00:05:00,033 --> 00:05:03,066 was like when Skyrim came out. 168 00:05:03,666 --> 00:05:06,066 I called in sick from school. 169 00:05:07,766 --> 00:05:08,899 That was pretty awesome. 170 00:05:09,466 --> 00:05:09,666 Yeah. 171 00:05:10,433 --> 00:05:11,500 I'm not sure if I've ever 172 00:05:11,500 --> 00:05:12,699 called in sick for any game. 173 00:05:13,199 --> 00:05:16,199 But Half Life 3, I'm going to have my 174 00:05:16,199 --> 00:05:18,433 wife call in and say 175 00:05:18,433 --> 00:05:19,833 I'm dying or something. 176 00:05:20,100 --> 00:05:22,933 Just so much that I want. 177 00:05:23,666 --> 00:05:25,500 I'm in inpatient care. 178 00:05:25,899 --> 00:05:26,699 You won't see me falling. 179 00:05:27,300 --> 00:05:27,500 Yeah. 180 00:05:28,033 --> 00:05:28,233 Exactly. 181 00:05:28,266 --> 00:05:30,199 And then I'll actually just be better. 182 00:05:30,199 --> 00:05:31,000 I'll be, you know, 183 00:05:31,333 --> 00:05:32,166 you're looking really healthy. 184 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:33,000 Yeah. 185 00:05:33,833 --> 00:05:34,933 Dude, you just got your 186 00:05:34,933 --> 00:05:37,233 dose of half HL3, dude. 187 00:05:38,266 --> 00:05:39,066 Pretty much. 188 00:05:39,766 --> 00:05:41,866 You report that you have Lambda disease. 189 00:05:42,833 --> 00:05:44,066 Lambda disease. 190 00:05:44,933 --> 00:05:46,433 At least it's better than having Ligma. 191 00:05:47,866 --> 00:05:48,666 Contracted over my trip 192 00:05:48,666 --> 00:05:50,333 to Aperture Laboratories. 193 00:05:51,033 --> 00:05:51,233 Yeah. 194 00:05:52,033 --> 00:05:53,100 You can contract a lot 195 00:05:53,100 --> 00:05:54,033 of stuff from that place. 196 00:05:54,466 --> 00:05:54,666 Right? 197 00:05:55,266 --> 00:05:58,266 But yeah, it seems more dangerous though. 198 00:05:58,633 --> 00:05:58,833 Yeah. 199 00:06:00,300 --> 00:06:00,500 100%. 200 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:01,366 They don't have the 201 00:06:01,366 --> 00:06:02,333 safety protocols there. 202 00:06:02,766 --> 00:06:02,966 Right. 203 00:06:03,466 --> 00:06:03,699 No. 204 00:06:05,533 --> 00:06:05,833 Okay. 205 00:06:06,333 --> 00:06:07,233 Gardner, what have you been up to? 206 00:06:08,100 --> 00:06:09,566 Man, I have been working. 207 00:06:09,933 --> 00:06:12,333 I have not had any time to do anything. 208 00:06:12,333 --> 00:06:13,766 I really want to play Silksong. 209 00:06:14,333 --> 00:06:16,399 Everything about it looks awesome to me. 210 00:06:16,933 --> 00:06:18,566 And I watched a video game, 211 00:06:18,566 --> 00:06:21,233 Dunkeys, like video about it. 212 00:06:21,233 --> 00:06:22,433 It was very funny. 213 00:06:22,433 --> 00:06:23,133 It was making Emily 214 00:06:23,133 --> 00:06:25,633 laugh, which that was nice. 215 00:06:26,566 --> 00:06:26,866 That's awesome. 216 00:06:27,466 --> 00:06:29,100 But yeah, no, I, oh man, 217 00:06:29,333 --> 00:06:30,000 what have I been doing? 218 00:06:30,266 --> 00:06:32,066 I haven't done like anything. 219 00:06:32,066 --> 00:06:36,466 I've been like optimizing my setup here. 220 00:06:37,033 --> 00:06:39,333 I don't know if you, Hi-Tech and James, I 221 00:06:39,333 --> 00:06:40,766 don't know if you saw it, but I dropped a 222 00:06:41,533 --> 00:06:44,166 like DaVinci Resolve project into our 223 00:06:44,166 --> 00:06:47,966 like auxiliary notes that we have. 224 00:06:48,633 --> 00:06:51,866 And so now it's going to be very easy and 225 00:06:51,866 --> 00:06:53,966 consistent for us to edit these podcasts, 226 00:06:53,966 --> 00:06:55,133 which I'm very excited about. 227 00:06:56,500 --> 00:06:58,033 But otherwise I saw that. 228 00:06:58,266 --> 00:06:58,666 It's really nice. 229 00:06:58,866 --> 00:06:59,500 I've just been working. 230 00:07:01,399 --> 00:07:03,166 What was the game I was playing earlier? 231 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:06,600 Was it Doom the Dark Ages? 232 00:07:07,466 --> 00:07:07,666 No. 233 00:07:07,966 --> 00:07:08,399 Oh dude. 234 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:10,066 So I got this email. 235 00:07:10,466 --> 00:07:14,466 It was from Bethesdasoftworks.club. 236 00:07:14,899 --> 00:07:16,800 It was an email address at 237 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:18,366 Bethesdasoftworks.club. 238 00:07:18,733 --> 00:07:21,300 And it was like, we'll pay you like 239 00:07:21,300 --> 00:07:23,933 $4,000 to talk about Doom 240 00:07:23,933 --> 00:07:25,266 the Dark Ages on your channel. 241 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,166 I was like, Ooh, that seems suspicious. 242 00:07:28,899 --> 00:07:30,433 Like have you been watching what I've 243 00:07:30,433 --> 00:07:31,733 been talking about Doom the Dark Ages? 244 00:07:33,033 --> 00:07:34,133 So I don't know. 245 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,966 Anyway, it was a malicious email and they 246 00:07:37,966 --> 00:07:38,733 just wanted to collect 247 00:07:38,733 --> 00:07:40,966 my, you know, YouTube 248 00:07:40,966 --> 00:07:41,866 cookies or whatever. 249 00:07:42,333 --> 00:07:44,766 So I reported to Bethesda and they said, 250 00:07:44,766 --> 00:07:46,233 don't reply to this email. 251 00:07:46,233 --> 00:07:47,966 That's the best we can do. 252 00:07:48,633 --> 00:07:49,666 That's like, okay. 253 00:07:50,566 --> 00:07:51,333 That's when you reply to 254 00:07:51,333 --> 00:07:53,066 them, like you owe me $4,000. 255 00:07:53,266 --> 00:07:53,533 Yeah. 256 00:07:54,166 --> 00:07:55,633 I've been talking about Dark Ages. 257 00:07:56,266 --> 00:07:57,333 Talking shit about Dark Ages. 258 00:07:58,500 --> 00:07:58,833 Hold up. 259 00:07:59,133 --> 00:07:59,333 Yeah. 260 00:07:59,566 --> 00:08:00,966 I mean, I have, I'm not 261 00:08:00,966 --> 00:08:02,266 a huge fan of that game. 262 00:08:02,266 --> 00:08:03,300 I've said it many times. 263 00:08:04,133 --> 00:08:05,633 Oh, I do have something cool, actually. 264 00:08:05,899 --> 00:08:07,066 I haven't opened it yet because I've been 265 00:08:07,066 --> 00:08:09,166 too busy, but I'm 266 00:08:09,166 --> 00:08:10,866 really excited about this. 267 00:08:12,066 --> 00:08:12,233 What? 268 00:08:12,933 --> 00:08:14,433 What is that? 269 00:08:14,433 --> 00:08:15,699 Dude, it's a it's a light 270 00:08:15,699 --> 00:08:18,699 gun and a light gun console. 271 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:21,833 Wait, does it work on? 272 00:08:22,133 --> 00:08:22,933 It works on PC. 273 00:08:23,266 --> 00:08:24,166 It works on Mr. 274 00:08:24,633 --> 00:08:26,533 It works on emulators. 275 00:08:27,033 --> 00:08:28,033 It's really, really neat. 276 00:08:28,533 --> 00:08:30,033 What? Oh, shit. 277 00:08:31,199 --> 00:08:31,733 Yeah. Oh, man. 278 00:08:32,166 --> 00:08:34,133 I feel like I've seen a couple. 279 00:08:34,466 --> 00:08:36,166 I don't remember if that's the main one, 280 00:08:36,166 --> 00:08:38,033 the retro shooter, but like wasn't there 281 00:08:38,033 --> 00:08:39,866 also one that got canceled? 282 00:08:40,133 --> 00:08:41,666 Like there were I don't remember if it 283 00:08:41,666 --> 00:08:42,333 was compatible with 284 00:08:42,333 --> 00:08:43,399 LCDs or not, but like, I 285 00:08:43,399 --> 00:08:44,500 feel like I've seen a couple of 286 00:08:44,500 --> 00:08:46,533 kickstarters for light guns. 287 00:08:46,766 --> 00:08:47,366 Yeah. Okay. 288 00:08:47,366 --> 00:08:49,000 I mean, I think I've seen like the sin 289 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:50,466 sin den or whatever. 290 00:08:50,466 --> 00:08:51,566 I think that one's like an 291 00:08:51,566 --> 00:08:53,033 actual product you can still buy. 292 00:08:53,666 --> 00:08:55,733 And I think one of them had 293 00:08:55,733 --> 00:08:56,933 I'm looking up sin den now. 294 00:08:57,133 --> 00:08:58,899 I think one of them was like, oh, we use 295 00:08:58,899 --> 00:09:01,633 a high to make it work out. 296 00:09:01,666 --> 00:09:02,466 I was like, I have no 297 00:09:02,466 --> 00:09:03,566 idea what that means, but OK. 298 00:09:04,266 --> 00:09:06,833 Sure. We use a high. 299 00:09:06,833 --> 00:09:07,799 That's interesting. 300 00:09:08,533 --> 00:09:09,666 That's a way for me to know. 301 00:09:09,666 --> 00:09:10,600 Right. I'm a product. 302 00:09:12,533 --> 00:09:13,366 I'm looking it up now. 303 00:09:13,366 --> 00:09:15,433 A.I. like a new A.I. powered like and 304 00:09:15,433 --> 00:09:18,333 brings time crisis to modern TVs. 305 00:09:19,133 --> 00:09:21,333 Oh, speaking of which, 306 00:09:21,333 --> 00:09:22,233 speaking of which, speaking of which, 307 00:09:23,233 --> 00:09:24,933 I invested in a 3D printer. 308 00:09:25,266 --> 00:09:27,666 Oh, I think I invested in something 309 00:09:27,666 --> 00:09:30,100 called the Snapmaker U1. 310 00:09:30,266 --> 00:09:31,533 It's supposed to be a $800. 311 00:09:32,133 --> 00:09:34,600 Well, MSRP is a thousand dollars, but I 312 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:35,833 got in a little early size. 313 00:09:36,133 --> 00:09:37,533 So it's an $800 like 314 00:09:37,533 --> 00:09:39,366 tool changer 3D printer. 315 00:09:41,766 --> 00:09:42,200 That's fun. 316 00:09:42,766 --> 00:09:43,399 So my hope. 317 00:09:44,166 --> 00:09:44,866 What are you going to print? 318 00:09:45,666 --> 00:09:46,866 That's a good question. 319 00:09:47,933 --> 00:09:49,266 I'm just going to look at my just going 320 00:09:49,266 --> 00:09:50,066 to look at cool models 321 00:09:50,066 --> 00:09:51,433 and just print whatever looks cool. 322 00:09:53,299 --> 00:09:55,966 I have two like high end 3D printers 323 00:09:56,899 --> 00:10:00,833 and I haven't used them in like a year. 324 00:10:01,633 --> 00:10:03,166 That would certainly be me. 325 00:10:03,166 --> 00:10:04,766 I would not like I would buy it and then 326 00:10:04,766 --> 00:10:05,733 it would just stay there. 327 00:10:06,133 --> 00:10:07,200 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 328 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,433 So there is no top that comes with it. 329 00:10:10,433 --> 00:10:11,833 I had to spend an extra 150. 330 00:10:13,133 --> 00:10:14,399 So I guess it is closer to 331 00:10:14,399 --> 00:10:15,766 me spending a thousand, but 332 00:10:17,433 --> 00:10:18,233 it's pretty cool. 333 00:10:18,233 --> 00:10:19,166 It looks neat. Oh, yeah. 334 00:10:19,166 --> 00:10:21,700 It's like a multi multi material printer. 335 00:10:21,766 --> 00:10:22,633 That's that's cool. 336 00:10:23,366 --> 00:10:23,866 That's awesome. 337 00:10:24,233 --> 00:10:25,366 So the tool changer, 338 00:10:25,366 --> 00:10:26,433 does it have to like? 339 00:10:27,166 --> 00:10:29,533 Is it possible to like have multiple 340 00:10:29,533 --> 00:10:31,066 nozzles with different tools? 341 00:10:31,066 --> 00:10:34,433 And then there's like less or no like 342 00:10:36,033 --> 00:10:37,333 waste. So they're so 343 00:10:37,333 --> 00:10:38,799 they're advertising less waste. 344 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,066 There is still a purge tower in like the 345 00:10:41,066 --> 00:10:41,933 corner of each print. 346 00:10:42,533 --> 00:10:44,133 No purge tower. 347 00:10:44,133 --> 00:10:45,399 That's what I was trying to. 348 00:10:45,466 --> 00:10:46,466 But that's what. 349 00:10:47,666 --> 00:10:50,333 But I think that's what the idea is. Yes. 350 00:10:50,899 --> 00:10:52,966 Do you still have a Legion go high tech? 351 00:10:53,066 --> 00:10:55,866 You can make the Legion go clamshell that 352 00:10:55,866 --> 00:10:57,299 Bob Wolf was working on. 353 00:10:57,433 --> 00:10:59,433 Oh, I do. I do. 354 00:10:59,433 --> 00:11:02,333 I do still have a Legion go, but. 355 00:11:04,399 --> 00:11:06,533 I wonder if that can be adapted to work 356 00:11:06,533 --> 00:11:08,533 on the Legion go gen two, 357 00:11:08,633 --> 00:11:09,633 which we'll talk about later. 358 00:11:10,066 --> 00:11:11,100 Yeah, for sure. 359 00:11:12,399 --> 00:11:13,766 Well, look at that glitch on Kickstarter. 360 00:11:14,100 --> 00:11:16,466 15 Delimiter, 257 Delimiter. 361 00:11:17,433 --> 00:11:18,566 Well, that's interesting. 362 00:11:19,666 --> 00:11:20,799 That's very that's awesome. 363 00:11:21,500 --> 00:11:22,899 Good stuff, Kickstarter. 364 00:11:25,266 --> 00:11:25,933 That's how you know the 365 00:11:25,933 --> 00:11:26,766 platform can be trusted. 366 00:11:27,433 --> 00:11:28,299 Yeah, stuff like this happens. 367 00:11:32,633 --> 00:11:35,966 Yeah, but I'm going to be asking you to. 368 00:11:36,366 --> 00:11:37,633 Well, Rich, do you have a 3D printer? 369 00:11:38,733 --> 00:11:39,566 I do not. Yeah. 370 00:11:40,100 --> 00:11:41,733 Like Gardner was saying, his 371 00:11:41,733 --> 00:11:43,133 just kind of sits in a corner. 372 00:11:43,333 --> 00:11:44,066 I have a feeling that 373 00:11:44,066 --> 00:11:44,966 mine was in a corner. 374 00:11:45,733 --> 00:11:48,166 I talk a big game, but like I just don't 375 00:11:48,166 --> 00:11:49,266 have enough time for like 376 00:11:49,333 --> 00:11:51,500 that sort of stuff, which which is why I 377 00:11:51,500 --> 00:11:52,833 got into the Steam Deck so hard. 378 00:11:52,833 --> 00:11:54,233 Right. Because like I was like, oh, yeah, 379 00:11:54,233 --> 00:11:55,433 I don't have time to learn. 380 00:11:56,533 --> 00:11:59,066 But 3D printing is mostly just waiting 381 00:11:59,066 --> 00:12:00,299 for some time. Yeah. 382 00:12:00,666 --> 00:12:02,733 Yeah, you just press print and then like 383 00:12:02,733 --> 00:12:04,333 it takes like a day to print. 384 00:12:04,799 --> 00:12:07,366 In my head, it's like you spend so much 385 00:12:07,366 --> 00:12:08,633 time looking up models, 386 00:12:09,066 --> 00:12:10,333 maybe like fine tuning the 387 00:12:10,333 --> 00:12:12,033 model to fit like your use case 388 00:12:12,166 --> 00:12:12,933 and making sure you 389 00:12:12,933 --> 00:12:14,633 have the right like gear. 390 00:12:15,266 --> 00:12:16,066 But you're probably right. 391 00:12:16,066 --> 00:12:16,766 It's probably just like, 392 00:12:16,766 --> 00:12:18,433 oh, yeah, just let a print 393 00:12:18,466 --> 00:12:20,066 and I'll just wait for it to print. 394 00:12:20,799 --> 00:12:21,799 You can spend a lot 395 00:12:21,799 --> 00:12:23,133 of time researching it. 396 00:12:23,133 --> 00:12:24,733 But my recommendation is just spend the 397 00:12:24,733 --> 00:12:25,766 extra money to get ones 398 00:12:25,766 --> 00:12:27,366 that are a little bit more efficient 399 00:12:27,366 --> 00:12:30,566 because like I I I went to the budget 400 00:12:30,566 --> 00:12:33,100 route, which is fine, but I'm always have 401 00:12:33,100 --> 00:12:35,066 to clear stuff out and have to. 402 00:12:35,066 --> 00:12:35,833 Like right now, it's 403 00:12:35,833 --> 00:12:37,666 sitting there because of the 404 00:12:38,966 --> 00:12:42,100 the way that it's fed into the machine. 405 00:12:42,633 --> 00:12:44,133 It broke off in the pipe. 406 00:12:44,166 --> 00:12:46,799 And so I have to some some would be 407 00:12:46,799 --> 00:12:48,466 easier to take apart 408 00:12:48,466 --> 00:12:49,666 and I just haven't taken the time to take 409 00:12:49,666 --> 00:12:50,466 it because I was printing 410 00:12:51,233 --> 00:12:52,566 hooks and stuff for like the 411 00:12:52,566 --> 00:12:53,933 garage to hang up my stuff. 412 00:12:53,933 --> 00:12:55,633 It was it was actually really nice, but 413 00:12:55,633 --> 00:12:58,200 it's I love 3D printing 414 00:12:58,266 --> 00:13:00,666 for like stuff like this, where I don't 415 00:13:00,666 --> 00:13:01,399 know if you can see. 416 00:13:01,799 --> 00:13:04,799 Not really, but I have like a stream deck 417 00:13:04,799 --> 00:13:06,233 and I printed a stand for it 418 00:13:06,233 --> 00:13:08,066 to hold it at an angle and 419 00:13:08,066 --> 00:13:09,899 like just lots of. Oh, yeah. 420 00:13:09,899 --> 00:13:10,500 Here's another one. 421 00:13:10,966 --> 00:13:13,366 I printed like this little stand for my 422 00:13:13,366 --> 00:13:15,433 PSP so it can sit here on my desk. 423 00:13:15,799 --> 00:13:16,566 It's really nice. 424 00:13:17,233 --> 00:13:18,533 I like I like the color of 425 00:13:18,533 --> 00:13:19,633 that kind of looks like wood. 426 00:13:19,633 --> 00:13:22,000 It is wood. Wait, what? It's wood. 427 00:13:22,633 --> 00:13:23,633 It's a wood PLA. 428 00:13:24,366 --> 00:13:26,166 It's a wood composite. 429 00:13:27,233 --> 00:13:29,533 Wow. Yeah, it's it's it's PLA with some 430 00:13:29,533 --> 00:13:31,566 wood in it and it burns like wood. 431 00:13:31,566 --> 00:13:32,566 And it will also kill you 432 00:13:32,566 --> 00:13:34,566 if you breathe it. Dear Lord. 433 00:13:36,733 --> 00:13:38,966 Yeah. And anyway, you know, 434 00:13:39,700 --> 00:13:41,133 that's like the thing that I like it for 435 00:13:41,133 --> 00:13:42,533 is like stands and hooks 436 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:44,933 and like custom stuff like that. 437 00:13:46,333 --> 00:13:47,933 And then other metal composites. 438 00:13:48,233 --> 00:13:49,700 Yes, there are. They're ferrous, too. 439 00:13:49,700 --> 00:13:51,633 You can like have fully magnetic ones. 440 00:13:52,166 --> 00:13:55,333 Yeah. Oh, shit. 441 00:13:55,566 --> 00:13:59,566 I saw I saw a PLA iron composite 442 00:13:59,833 --> 00:14:02,866 and like the guy held it and then dropped 443 00:14:02,866 --> 00:14:04,000 it on a table and it went 444 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:05,966 to think like wood. I mean, like metal, 445 00:14:05,966 --> 00:14:06,766 dude, it was freaking. 446 00:14:07,100 --> 00:14:07,899 I was like, what the hell? 447 00:14:08,633 --> 00:14:09,933 Oh, we can't. It's cool. 448 00:14:09,933 --> 00:14:11,500 That's an example of heavy. 449 00:14:12,266 --> 00:14:14,066 Yeah, it's like it's able to do that 450 00:14:14,066 --> 00:14:16,166 because it's partially still a plastic 451 00:14:16,333 --> 00:14:18,133 with that's the other materials. 452 00:14:18,366 --> 00:14:19,866 Yeah, you have to have the right nozzle 453 00:14:19,866 --> 00:14:20,866 for it, though, I think, 454 00:14:20,866 --> 00:14:23,133 because it'll carry a certain certain 455 00:14:23,133 --> 00:14:24,399 that makes sense. Yeah. 456 00:14:24,766 --> 00:14:26,133 I think one of the first things I want to 457 00:14:26,133 --> 00:14:27,100 print, though, is like 458 00:14:27,633 --> 00:14:29,033 a whole set for settlers 459 00:14:29,033 --> 00:14:31,166 of Catan, which is a board. 460 00:14:31,766 --> 00:14:32,866 For reference, if you don't know what 461 00:14:32,866 --> 00:14:34,299 sellers of Catan is, the viewers, 462 00:14:34,299 --> 00:14:36,399 it's a pretty fun board game where you're 463 00:14:36,399 --> 00:14:37,366 essentially trying to 464 00:14:38,233 --> 00:14:39,266 take control over 465 00:14:39,266 --> 00:14:41,066 resources and like lands. 466 00:14:41,799 --> 00:14:43,366 And you do that not by like attacking 467 00:14:43,366 --> 00:14:44,500 them directly or anything like that, 468 00:14:44,500 --> 00:14:45,766 but by controlling the 469 00:14:45,766 --> 00:14:47,333 resources and making borders. 470 00:14:48,166 --> 00:14:50,033 And if you're at it and if you're in a 471 00:14:50,033 --> 00:14:51,266 good advantageous spot, 472 00:14:51,799 --> 00:14:54,799 you can extort your enemies for more. 473 00:14:55,799 --> 00:14:56,933 While costing you less 474 00:14:56,933 --> 00:14:58,033 stuff. Yeah, it's awesome. 475 00:14:59,200 --> 00:14:59,766 Yeah, it's like 476 00:14:59,766 --> 00:15:00,966 Carcassonne meets Monopoly. 477 00:15:03,299 --> 00:15:05,700 I like that. Yeah, I like that, too. 478 00:15:05,700 --> 00:15:06,966 Yeah, that was pretty good. 479 00:15:08,299 --> 00:15:09,966 Um, hi, Tech, have we gone over what 480 00:15:09,966 --> 00:15:10,633 you've done this week? 481 00:15:11,066 --> 00:15:12,366 I feel like you've almost. 482 00:15:13,533 --> 00:15:18,266 Yeah, I mean, so song 3D printer working. 483 00:15:18,733 --> 00:15:21,500 Oh, yeah, I beat Shinobi Art of Vengeance 484 00:15:21,500 --> 00:15:23,700 before Silksong came out. 485 00:15:24,133 --> 00:15:25,333 I yeah, I didn't make it. 486 00:15:25,333 --> 00:15:27,000 How long did that take you? 487 00:15:27,866 --> 00:15:29,266 So I 100 percent of the 488 00:15:29,266 --> 00:15:31,600 game in like 10 hours. 489 00:15:32,533 --> 00:15:34,766 OK, so that's awesome. 490 00:15:35,366 --> 00:15:37,233 I'm I haven't done the achievements yet, 491 00:15:37,233 --> 00:15:39,033 which is I think the last three ones 492 00:15:39,033 --> 00:15:42,333 are beat boss rush mode and then be all 493 00:15:42,333 --> 00:15:43,533 stages in arcade mode 494 00:15:43,533 --> 00:15:45,433 and then get an S rank in all the stages 495 00:15:45,433 --> 00:15:46,799 in arcade mode, too. 496 00:15:47,766 --> 00:15:48,633 But that'll have to wait. 497 00:15:49,533 --> 00:15:50,799 Did you play Ragebound, 498 00:15:51,266 --> 00:15:52,166 the Ninja Gaiden game? 499 00:15:52,433 --> 00:15:53,633 And how do you compare the two? 500 00:15:54,700 --> 00:15:56,500 They're very different games. 501 00:15:56,933 --> 00:15:59,033 I know I know on the surface, they're 502 00:15:59,033 --> 00:16:00,600 both like 2D action platformers 503 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:02,033 featuring ninjas. Right. 504 00:16:02,366 --> 00:16:03,100 That's really that's 505 00:16:03,100 --> 00:16:03,933 that's where it stops. 506 00:16:04,433 --> 00:16:05,666 But that's basically where it stops. 507 00:16:06,033 --> 00:16:06,233 Yeah. 508 00:16:07,366 --> 00:16:08,899 You played Ragebound a lot, right? 509 00:16:09,366 --> 00:16:10,933 Yeah, I played the demo. 510 00:16:10,933 --> 00:16:13,033 I played the demo for both like more than 511 00:16:13,033 --> 00:16:14,500 people would normally play the demos, 512 00:16:14,500 --> 00:16:15,433 but I haven't had time to 513 00:16:15,433 --> 00:16:17,366 sink into the actual games yet. 514 00:16:17,966 --> 00:16:18,866 So yeah, I played 515 00:16:18,866 --> 00:16:21,066 about two hours of Shinobi 516 00:16:21,433 --> 00:16:23,299 and about 30 minutes of 517 00:16:23,299 --> 00:16:24,833 the full game of Ragebound. 518 00:16:25,366 --> 00:16:26,000 And they're you're 519 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:26,833 right. They're very different. 520 00:16:27,733 --> 00:16:29,533 Yeah, though, you know how you 521 00:16:29,533 --> 00:16:30,766 know how a ninja game is peak 522 00:16:31,100 --> 00:16:33,600 when like the game begins and like your 523 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:35,033 ninja village is on fire. 524 00:16:36,133 --> 00:16:37,066 Oh, 100 percent. 525 00:16:37,066 --> 00:16:37,833 The messenger, the 526 00:16:37,833 --> 00:16:39,533 messenger starts that way, too. 527 00:16:40,466 --> 00:16:41,600 And that game is pretty sick. 528 00:16:42,266 --> 00:16:43,466 Yeah, that was a good game. 529 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,266 I the messenger, I think I'm one of the 530 00:16:46,266 --> 00:16:47,700 weird people that liked it better 531 00:16:47,700 --> 00:16:49,333 before it became a Metroidvania. 532 00:16:49,533 --> 00:16:50,333 I just like like the 533 00:16:50,333 --> 00:16:52,233 Ninja Gaiden 8 bit game. 534 00:16:52,866 --> 00:16:53,633 And then I turn into 535 00:16:53,633 --> 00:16:54,833 a 16 bit Metroidvania. 536 00:16:54,833 --> 00:16:56,533 I'm like, OK, this is cool, but I like 537 00:16:56,533 --> 00:16:58,566 the better as the action platformer. 538 00:16:59,133 --> 00:17:00,500 Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. 539 00:17:00,566 --> 00:17:00,866 Yeah. 540 00:17:03,799 --> 00:17:04,933 Well, you want to start without that the 541 00:17:04,933 --> 00:17:06,599 way I think Ninja Gaiden one 542 00:17:06,866 --> 00:17:09,099 starts out like that way, too, like 543 00:17:09,099 --> 00:17:10,766 you're doing like your 544 00:17:10,766 --> 00:17:12,833 your like village catches on 545 00:17:12,833 --> 00:17:14,433 fire and like gets invaded. 546 00:17:14,966 --> 00:17:16,833 The Nintendo one, not the Xbox one. 547 00:17:17,099 --> 00:17:17,799 I don't know. I'm 548 00:17:17,799 --> 00:17:18,666 talking about the Xbox one. 549 00:17:19,266 --> 00:17:20,633 Yeah, I don't remember how the NES one 550 00:17:20,633 --> 00:17:21,566 starts, to be honest. 551 00:17:21,566 --> 00:17:22,866 I know it has those cut scenes, but I 552 00:17:22,866 --> 00:17:23,766 don't remember how it starts. 553 00:17:24,433 --> 00:17:26,266 I don't know if it's your village, but 554 00:17:26,266 --> 00:17:27,966 the beginning of Silent 555 00:17:28,133 --> 00:17:29,433 Bomber on the PS one 556 00:17:29,433 --> 00:17:31,166 starts with a burning village. 557 00:17:31,366 --> 00:17:34,566 I feel like maybe the main character is 558 00:17:34,566 --> 00:17:36,000 dealing with like PTSD 559 00:17:36,133 --> 00:17:37,566 from burning down a village or something, 560 00:17:37,566 --> 00:17:39,166 but there is a burning village 561 00:17:39,166 --> 00:17:41,833 at the beginning. Oh, is he a ninja? 562 00:17:42,733 --> 00:17:44,966 No, he well, he's not. 563 00:17:45,066 --> 00:17:46,533 He's like a he's like a 564 00:17:46,533 --> 00:17:48,433 cyborg, but he's anime. 565 00:17:49,833 --> 00:17:51,033 I've been a fan of. 566 00:17:52,900 --> 00:17:53,633 We know how it is. 567 00:17:55,833 --> 00:17:57,933 Anyways, so I try, I rushed 568 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,166 our vengeance trying to like be able to 569 00:18:01,166 --> 00:18:02,466 have time to play Silksong, 570 00:18:02,466 --> 00:18:03,066 and I just ended up not 571 00:18:03,066 --> 00:18:04,799 having time for Silksong anyways. 572 00:18:06,799 --> 00:18:07,466 Funny how that works. 573 00:18:09,033 --> 00:18:11,233 Well, hopefully next week, we'll hear how 574 00:18:11,233 --> 00:18:12,200 good it is from you. 575 00:18:13,466 --> 00:18:14,933 I sure hope so, too, man. 576 00:18:17,066 --> 00:18:18,933 Well, so sorry, are you 577 00:18:18,933 --> 00:18:19,799 guys not going to buy it? 578 00:18:20,366 --> 00:18:21,166 Are you not interested? 579 00:18:22,633 --> 00:18:23,400 So James and Gardner. 580 00:18:23,666 --> 00:18:25,133 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I'm interested. 581 00:18:25,133 --> 00:18:26,900 I just haven't had any time at all. 582 00:18:27,366 --> 00:18:28,666 Got to get it. So. 583 00:18:30,133 --> 00:18:30,833 My wife. 584 00:18:32,500 --> 00:18:36,533 Likes the likes, likes it quite a bit. 585 00:18:37,366 --> 00:18:37,833 Like, yeah. 586 00:18:38,666 --> 00:18:39,966 Um, the first game. 587 00:18:40,266 --> 00:18:41,866 Yeah. And so she's super 588 00:18:41,866 --> 00:18:43,166 excited to get this one. 589 00:18:43,866 --> 00:18:46,233 I'm not as big into the side scrolling 590 00:18:46,233 --> 00:18:48,666 right now, but I definitely want to 591 00:18:49,366 --> 00:18:51,766 get into it. So I'm going to be taking my 592 00:18:51,766 --> 00:18:53,433 time as I have other 593 00:18:54,266 --> 00:18:56,633 games I'm invested in. 594 00:18:57,166 --> 00:19:01,166 But in speaking of, which is I caved. 595 00:19:02,333 --> 00:19:04,866 I haven't shown anyone on the podcast 596 00:19:06,166 --> 00:19:08,833 listening yet that I have a switch to. 597 00:19:09,266 --> 00:19:10,966 I caved partially because 598 00:19:10,966 --> 00:19:13,266 I'm not I'm kind of sick of the 599 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,933 fight for things phase of life where 600 00:19:18,166 --> 00:19:18,866 I think about the 601 00:19:18,866 --> 00:19:20,433 last generation, even the 602 00:19:20,433 --> 00:19:23,000 I feel like PS4 or PS5 603 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,066 and the switch and all that. 604 00:19:25,066 --> 00:19:25,866 Like they were always 605 00:19:25,866 --> 00:19:27,766 sold out like the switch one. 606 00:19:27,766 --> 00:19:28,566 I think it took a 607 00:19:28,566 --> 00:19:29,900 year to get it last time. 608 00:19:30,566 --> 00:19:31,866 I got it for my wife. 609 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,266 But she loves Nintendo games, so like I'm 610 00:19:35,266 --> 00:19:37,466 going to be, you know, doing what? 611 00:19:37,700 --> 00:19:38,400 I'm going to get her 612 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:39,366 something that she's going to love. 613 00:19:41,633 --> 00:19:43,200 I saw that my local target 614 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,599 had two, so I had to grab it. 615 00:19:46,599 --> 00:19:47,866 Because I didn't have to fight for it. 616 00:19:47,866 --> 00:19:48,833 I just thought it was like, OK, cool. 617 00:19:48,833 --> 00:19:49,866 I'll buy it and I'll go pick it up. 618 00:19:50,833 --> 00:19:55,033 Yeah. So I did that because I think. 619 00:19:55,700 --> 00:19:58,933 Tariffs and the season coming up is going 620 00:19:58,933 --> 00:20:00,099 to both make it more expensive 621 00:20:00,266 --> 00:20:01,333 and make it harder to get. 622 00:20:01,700 --> 00:20:04,033 So that's totally valid, man. 623 00:20:05,666 --> 00:20:08,466 Yeah. And the donkey, is 624 00:20:08,466 --> 00:20:09,666 it Donkey Kong Bonanza? 625 00:20:10,266 --> 00:20:11,533 Is that the game? Yeah. 626 00:20:11,866 --> 00:20:13,466 That one looks really fun. 627 00:20:13,966 --> 00:20:15,966 And my youngest son 628 00:20:15,966 --> 00:20:17,666 loves platformers right now. 629 00:20:17,666 --> 00:20:19,900 So I'm going to get 630 00:20:19,900 --> 00:20:20,900 that for him for Christmas. 631 00:20:21,366 --> 00:20:23,200 So and then, of course, 632 00:20:24,466 --> 00:20:25,799 life also loves Nintendo games. 633 00:20:25,799 --> 00:20:26,866 So it's like it's kind of win win. 634 00:20:26,866 --> 00:20:27,966 I didn't want to give Nintendo money 635 00:20:27,966 --> 00:20:28,866 right now because, you know, 636 00:20:29,766 --> 00:20:30,933 we've we've talked plenty of 637 00:20:30,933 --> 00:20:32,533 shit on the podcast about it. 638 00:20:33,066 --> 00:20:34,866 But I caved, 639 00:20:35,533 --> 00:20:37,200 unfortunately, for what it's worth. 640 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:38,666 They're raking it in regardless, right? 641 00:20:39,766 --> 00:20:41,133 Yeah, they're making 642 00:20:41,133 --> 00:20:42,666 tons of money right now. 643 00:20:43,733 --> 00:20:45,933 They Nintendo is apples 644 00:20:45,933 --> 00:20:47,033 making a lot of money off me. 645 00:20:47,700 --> 00:20:48,533 A lot of companies are 646 00:20:48,533 --> 00:20:49,766 making money off me right now. 647 00:20:50,266 --> 00:20:51,633 Yeah, I just cave. 648 00:20:53,766 --> 00:20:55,299 Yeah, so I've been playing the Mario 649 00:20:55,299 --> 00:20:57,599 Kart, the new Mario Kart on it. 650 00:20:57,599 --> 00:20:58,766 I really like it, actually. 651 00:20:59,233 --> 00:21:00,533 I didn't think I was going to like it. 652 00:21:01,933 --> 00:21:05,099 I kind of was over Mario Kart, but the 653 00:21:05,099 --> 00:21:06,233 new world transitions, 654 00:21:06,533 --> 00:21:07,933 I wish it was a little bit smoother. 655 00:21:08,733 --> 00:21:10,400 And like some of the new 656 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:11,433 things that they introduced 657 00:21:11,433 --> 00:21:13,233 made it just fresh enough for me that I 658 00:21:13,233 --> 00:21:15,933 actually quite like it on the switch to. 659 00:21:15,966 --> 00:21:19,066 So I actually a huge fan of the game. 660 00:21:19,299 --> 00:21:22,433 Would you say it's $80 worth it? 661 00:21:23,066 --> 00:21:25,033 Well, considering I got the the bundle, 662 00:21:25,033 --> 00:21:26,900 so it was technically only 50 for me. 663 00:21:26,900 --> 00:21:29,733 I definitely say $50 is worth it. 664 00:21:30,099 --> 00:21:31,700 Fair enough, fair enough. 665 00:21:31,700 --> 00:21:34,533 It would I have bought it not knowing how 666 00:21:34,533 --> 00:21:35,299 I like, because I 667 00:21:35,299 --> 00:21:36,366 hadn't played it before. 668 00:21:36,666 --> 00:21:37,133 I've watched some 669 00:21:37,133 --> 00:21:38,266 people play it, but I didn't. 670 00:21:38,266 --> 00:21:40,033 You know, that is, you know, watching 671 00:21:40,033 --> 00:21:40,733 someone play something 672 00:21:40,733 --> 00:21:41,700 and playing something, 673 00:21:41,700 --> 00:21:43,200 I feel like is different sometimes. 674 00:21:44,233 --> 00:21:45,166 I don't think I would 675 00:21:45,166 --> 00:21:47,266 have spent $70 on this. 676 00:21:47,933 --> 00:21:48,233 Eighty dollars. 677 00:21:50,466 --> 00:21:51,766 I thought this one was 69. 678 00:21:52,066 --> 00:21:52,766 I think some of the 679 00:21:52,766 --> 00:21:54,333 games are 69 by whatever. 680 00:21:54,866 --> 00:21:56,233 The Mario Kart world 681 00:21:56,233 --> 00:21:57,166 is the one that's 80. 682 00:21:57,966 --> 00:21:59,166 Is the one that's 80. OK. 683 00:22:00,266 --> 00:22:04,766 And so would I have spent $80 on it? 684 00:22:04,766 --> 00:22:08,933 No, but, you know, told me the dollars 685 00:22:08,933 --> 00:22:10,366 was totally fine for me. 686 00:22:10,833 --> 00:22:12,366 Now, would I spend it on the Donkey Kong 687 00:22:12,366 --> 00:22:13,766 one or any Nintendo game? 688 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,666 If it's good enough, I'll I'll spend 689 00:22:16,666 --> 00:22:18,566 money on something I think is worth it. 690 00:22:18,666 --> 00:22:20,466 So at the end of the day, that's my take 691 00:22:20,466 --> 00:22:22,466 on the whole pricing thing. 692 00:22:22,866 --> 00:22:25,433 But a lot of games, most 693 00:22:25,433 --> 00:22:27,166 games are not worth that price. 694 00:22:27,166 --> 00:22:28,266 I will usually wait. 695 00:22:28,933 --> 00:22:30,633 So Nintendo just doesn't discount their 696 00:22:30,633 --> 00:22:32,200 stuff very often. So. 697 00:22:33,266 --> 00:22:37,099 It's hard for me to not to dive into that 698 00:22:37,099 --> 00:22:38,633 topic, but I guess I'm dying. 699 00:22:38,766 --> 00:22:41,200 And it's hard to like think about a game 700 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:42,433 that would be worth the $80. 701 00:22:42,599 --> 00:22:44,533 It's not that like it's 702 00:22:44,533 --> 00:22:45,700 not that it's not worth it. 703 00:22:45,733 --> 00:22:47,966 It's just I'm not excited enough about 704 00:22:47,966 --> 00:22:49,466 any game to be like, oh, yeah, 705 00:22:49,833 --> 00:22:51,066 I'm going to spend $80. 706 00:22:51,066 --> 00:22:52,333 Now, I can't think of a game that I've 707 00:22:52,333 --> 00:22:53,466 been that excited about. 708 00:22:53,900 --> 00:22:55,466 And even like Silksong, I 709 00:22:55,466 --> 00:22:56,500 was pretty excited about it. 710 00:22:56,500 --> 00:22:57,666 And then and then it's like 20 bucks. 711 00:22:57,666 --> 00:22:58,766 Right. Like that's insane. 712 00:22:59,466 --> 00:23:01,033 That it was like, you know, people 713 00:23:01,033 --> 00:23:01,833 certainly expected 714 00:23:01,833 --> 00:23:03,299 that game to be 30, $40. 715 00:23:03,666 --> 00:23:05,033 And then they owe us. 716 00:23:05,333 --> 00:23:06,066 I mean, I would have paid 717 00:23:06,066 --> 00:23:08,166 30, 40 bucks for it, probably. 718 00:23:08,833 --> 00:23:10,033 Yeah, I would have paid 40. 719 00:23:10,866 --> 00:23:12,933 I think Indy's going to rake it in this 720 00:23:12,933 --> 00:23:13,900 next few generations. 721 00:23:14,166 --> 00:23:15,366 I think Indy is going to 722 00:23:15,366 --> 00:23:16,533 price their stuff properly. 723 00:23:17,166 --> 00:23:20,233 I think these AAA companies or 724 00:23:21,266 --> 00:23:23,000 GTA six, which we'll get into, it might 725 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,099 be higher than a AAA, 726 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,233 are going to be a little disappointed 727 00:23:26,233 --> 00:23:27,200 with some of their side. 728 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:27,933 I don't think GTA six 729 00:23:27,933 --> 00:23:28,466 can be disappointed, 730 00:23:28,466 --> 00:23:29,633 but a lot of these other ones that are 731 00:23:29,633 --> 00:23:30,566 going to price things high 732 00:23:31,333 --> 00:23:31,933 are going to be a little 733 00:23:31,933 --> 00:23:34,333 disappointed because for me, 734 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,966 if I'm buying a game at $80, I am not 735 00:23:36,966 --> 00:23:37,400 going to be buying 736 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:38,700 another game for a while. 737 00:23:39,500 --> 00:23:40,500 Meaning correct. 738 00:23:41,066 --> 00:23:42,933 If they have two $40 games, 739 00:23:43,866 --> 00:23:44,933 like Nintendo is like, oh, yeah, 740 00:23:44,933 --> 00:23:45,866 we have two amazing 741 00:23:45,866 --> 00:23:46,966 Nintendo games for $4. 742 00:23:47,166 --> 00:23:48,599 I will buy both those. 743 00:23:49,266 --> 00:23:50,799 But once you start raising the price, I 744 00:23:50,799 --> 00:23:52,966 am going to stop buying certain games 745 00:23:53,266 --> 00:23:55,666 and balancing out my my my game budget, 746 00:23:56,133 --> 00:23:57,033 maybe get more indie 747 00:23:57,033 --> 00:23:58,333 games, stuff like that. 748 00:23:58,333 --> 00:24:00,233 That's just that's how I've noticed my 749 00:24:00,233 --> 00:24:02,466 buying trend right now is gone. 750 00:24:02,933 --> 00:24:05,366 I don't buy as many expensive games 751 00:24:05,366 --> 00:24:06,966 unless I'm really excited for it. 752 00:24:07,966 --> 00:24:09,933 Eighty dollar a game, Half Life 3. 753 00:24:10,366 --> 00:24:11,466 I'm just going to say right now, I pay 754 00:24:11,466 --> 00:24:12,766 anything for Half Life 3. 755 00:24:12,766 --> 00:24:14,433 OK, I pay 80 for Half Life 3. 756 00:24:14,433 --> 00:24:16,000 Paid how much for Half Life? Alex? 757 00:24:17,333 --> 00:24:18,700 A thousand dollars for that. 758 00:24:18,900 --> 00:24:19,099 So. 759 00:24:22,866 --> 00:24:23,866 That's the thing, like 760 00:24:23,866 --> 00:24:25,066 if I'm excited enough. 761 00:24:25,066 --> 00:24:26,466 Let me just say worth it. 762 00:24:27,633 --> 00:24:28,733 It really is worth it. 763 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,566 The experience is like none other. 764 00:24:31,866 --> 00:24:34,500 Yeah. Like if you really do like games 765 00:24:34,500 --> 00:24:36,166 and you really want to like 766 00:24:36,566 --> 00:24:38,466 have a different experience than any 767 00:24:38,466 --> 00:24:39,366 other game you've played, 768 00:24:39,900 --> 00:24:40,900 Half Life, Alex, is that game. 769 00:24:42,066 --> 00:24:42,833 It was like it was 770 00:24:42,833 --> 00:24:44,166 like a Disneyland ride. 771 00:24:44,666 --> 00:24:47,666 Like it was like magical. 772 00:24:48,366 --> 00:24:50,233 And it was it really was. 773 00:24:50,666 --> 00:24:52,566 It was like you're a kid 774 00:24:52,566 --> 00:24:53,766 again, writing, you know, 775 00:24:54,799 --> 00:24:55,833 Space Mountain for the first time or 776 00:24:55,833 --> 00:24:56,466 something like that. 777 00:24:56,466 --> 00:24:58,366 And yeah, it was I loved it when you go. 778 00:24:58,366 --> 00:24:59,766 I'm when you when you meet the 779 00:24:59,766 --> 00:25:01,333 Vortigaunt for the first time. 780 00:25:01,766 --> 00:25:03,633 Yeah, dude, that like his 781 00:25:03,633 --> 00:25:05,533 like like bioluminescent 782 00:25:05,599 --> 00:25:06,500 murals on the wall 783 00:25:06,500 --> 00:25:08,466 were like mind blowing. 784 00:25:09,266 --> 00:25:10,766 Yeah. Yeah. 785 00:25:10,766 --> 00:25:12,566 And that's that's like the mechanics 786 00:25:12,566 --> 00:25:15,633 alone are like like really interesting. 787 00:25:15,633 --> 00:25:16,733 But then they also did a 788 00:25:16,733 --> 00:25:18,000 really good job with the writing. 789 00:25:18,433 --> 00:25:19,633 Yes. He's kind of quirky. 790 00:25:20,833 --> 00:25:22,566 Love it. Like not deadpan. 791 00:25:22,566 --> 00:25:23,933 Like a lot of characters are written 792 00:25:23,933 --> 00:25:25,166 nowadays or honestly 793 00:25:25,166 --> 00:25:26,566 anytime in gaming history. 794 00:25:26,799 --> 00:25:26,966 But 795 00:25:29,133 --> 00:25:30,266 speaking of all this 796 00:25:30,266 --> 00:25:31,433 like Half Life stuff, 797 00:25:31,566 --> 00:25:32,333 we're going to get into 798 00:25:32,333 --> 00:25:33,166 something in a little bit. 799 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,766 But before we get into that, make sure to 800 00:25:35,766 --> 00:25:37,833 like and subscribe if you're on YouTube. 801 00:25:39,033 --> 00:25:40,766 And then also if you're not if you're on 802 00:25:40,766 --> 00:25:41,433 your like maybe 803 00:25:41,433 --> 00:25:42,666 favorite podcasting platform, 804 00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:44,700 which we should be on almost all of them, 805 00:25:45,266 --> 00:25:46,833 make sure to follow us there. 806 00:25:46,933 --> 00:25:48,733 If you're not there and you just need to 807 00:25:48,733 --> 00:25:50,299 follow our RSS feed, 808 00:25:50,299 --> 00:25:52,933 you can follow us at podcast dot 809 00:25:52,933 --> 00:25:54,200 subscribe to dot me. 810 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:56,933 And yeah, we're also on the Fediverse. 811 00:25:57,266 --> 00:25:59,633 So the next gen, 812 00:26:00,866 --> 00:26:03,933 I guess social that's not corrupt as F 813 00:26:03,933 --> 00:26:06,000 like some of the other stuff 814 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,533 we've talked about out there. 815 00:26:08,099 --> 00:26:08,333 Meta. 816 00:26:11,033 --> 00:26:11,400 OK. 817 00:26:12,366 --> 00:26:13,333 You got me all excited 818 00:26:13,333 --> 00:26:14,566 talking about the Half Life stuff. 819 00:26:14,566 --> 00:26:15,166 So let's let's just 820 00:26:15,166 --> 00:26:16,366 jump into the first topic. 821 00:26:16,366 --> 00:26:16,933 The Steamframe. 822 00:26:17,966 --> 00:26:19,033 What's going on with this? 823 00:26:19,033 --> 00:26:21,200 This is the first time 824 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,433 we've seen like a trademark. 825 00:26:23,633 --> 00:26:24,933 Well, it's not the first time, but it's 826 00:26:24,933 --> 00:26:25,733 been a while since we've 827 00:26:25,733 --> 00:26:26,766 seen like a trademark, right? 828 00:26:27,533 --> 00:26:28,133 For some of the hardware. 829 00:26:28,700 --> 00:26:30,466 So yeah. 830 00:26:31,066 --> 00:26:35,666 So the Steamframe, as per the trademark, 831 00:26:36,333 --> 00:26:37,333 there's actually two trademarks. 832 00:26:37,866 --> 00:26:39,200 The first one is computer hardware, 833 00:26:39,566 --> 00:26:40,533 networking hardware, 834 00:26:41,166 --> 00:26:42,299 computer peripherals, 835 00:26:42,299 --> 00:26:44,133 computer hardware and computer software 836 00:26:44,133 --> 00:26:44,866 for reproduction, 837 00:26:45,500 --> 00:26:47,866 processing and streaming of audio, 838 00:26:47,933 --> 00:26:50,066 video, data, text and multimedia content. 839 00:26:51,033 --> 00:26:54,066 And the other one is for game consoles 840 00:26:54,066 --> 00:26:55,366 for recreational game 841 00:26:55,366 --> 00:26:57,333 playing video game consoles 842 00:26:57,466 --> 00:26:58,766 video game accessories and 843 00:26:58,766 --> 00:27:00,633 controllers for video games. 844 00:27:01,733 --> 00:27:05,633 Now, I'm going to admit I didn't. 845 00:27:05,866 --> 00:27:07,366 I kind of forgot that 846 00:27:07,366 --> 00:27:08,566 the decade was a thing. 847 00:27:08,766 --> 00:27:09,833 So I just kind of assumed it was a 848 00:27:09,833 --> 00:27:11,933 console and a steam. 849 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,366 And my theory was that the Steamframe was 850 00:27:15,366 --> 00:27:18,433 going to be like a framework for being a 851 00:27:18,433 --> 00:27:19,766 steam device, so to speak. 852 00:27:21,233 --> 00:27:22,799 And as you know, like. 853 00:27:24,066 --> 00:27:25,566 It would be like a whole ecosystem of 854 00:27:25,566 --> 00:27:27,066 devices, like the whole streaming 855 00:27:27,233 --> 00:27:29,466 audio, video, data, text made me think 856 00:27:29,466 --> 00:27:30,700 that valve was going to bring back the 857 00:27:30,700 --> 00:27:32,966 steam link from like years ago. 858 00:27:34,766 --> 00:27:36,066 And, you know, of course, you know, the 859 00:27:36,066 --> 00:27:37,799 Steamframe console and controller. 860 00:27:38,466 --> 00:27:40,933 But now that sadly, it's Bradley put out 861 00:27:40,933 --> 00:27:42,933 that they changed every mention of 862 00:27:42,933 --> 00:27:44,333 Deckard, the steam frame. 863 00:27:44,966 --> 00:27:47,266 I mean, it's basically 864 00:27:47,266 --> 00:27:48,366 unavoidable at this point. 865 00:27:50,366 --> 00:27:52,666 Yeah, I do. 866 00:27:52,666 --> 00:27:54,900 There's a lot about this to unpack. 867 00:27:55,666 --> 00:27:57,299 I could be wrong about this, but if I 868 00:27:57,299 --> 00:27:59,566 remember correctly, Valve registered 869 00:27:59,566 --> 00:28:04,099 Steam Deck as a trademark like a day or 870 00:28:04,099 --> 00:28:06,333 two before they actually announced it. 871 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:08,799 One day. Yeah, one day. 872 00:28:09,233 --> 00:28:13,733 So so we could be seeing this any time on 873 00:28:13,733 --> 00:28:14,733 the flip side, though. 874 00:28:15,233 --> 00:28:16,733 They registered Neon Prime as a 875 00:28:16,733 --> 00:28:18,233 trademark, something like two years 876 00:28:18,233 --> 00:28:20,833 before they even acknowledge Deadlock and 877 00:28:20,833 --> 00:28:22,733 Deadlock is not named Neon Prime. 878 00:28:22,833 --> 00:28:27,666 So, you know, it could be any day now or 879 00:28:27,666 --> 00:28:28,633 it could be two years from 880 00:28:28,633 --> 00:28:29,700 now by the time we see this. 881 00:28:31,366 --> 00:28:35,733 Yeah, and I'm I'm team console, but 882 00:28:35,733 --> 00:28:38,166 that's just Hopium at this point, right? 883 00:28:38,166 --> 00:28:39,133 Like all the evidence does 884 00:28:39,133 --> 00:28:40,599 not point to that at this point. 885 00:28:40,599 --> 00:28:42,766 And so like the evidence is also in 886 00:28:42,766 --> 00:28:45,266 addition to high tech, what you said, 887 00:28:46,566 --> 00:28:48,233 which is they're renaming 888 00:28:48,233 --> 00:28:51,166 overlays to frames in Steam VR. 889 00:28:51,599 --> 00:28:52,766 That's one piece of evidence. 890 00:28:53,333 --> 00:28:55,799 Another is that the person, a lot of 891 00:28:55,799 --> 00:28:57,500 people that saw these the 892 00:28:57,500 --> 00:28:58,633 Reddit thread for this patent, 893 00:28:58,766 --> 00:29:01,133 saw that a day before the Reddit thread 894 00:29:01,133 --> 00:29:02,599 or two days before the Reddit thread, 895 00:29:02,599 --> 00:29:04,500 there was another Reddit thread where 896 00:29:04,500 --> 00:29:06,599 someone asked, is Steam frame a good name 897 00:29:06,599 --> 00:29:07,633 for something, something? 898 00:29:08,066 --> 00:29:08,833 And everybody was like, 899 00:29:08,833 --> 00:29:09,966 what are you talking about? 900 00:29:09,966 --> 00:29:11,066 Like, what? Like, why 901 00:29:11,066 --> 00:29:12,033 would you make this thread? 902 00:29:12,599 --> 00:29:14,566 And then so clearly this person must have 903 00:29:14,566 --> 00:29:16,700 had some some sort of inside information. 904 00:29:17,233 --> 00:29:19,000 And if you look back at his history, he 905 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,166 mentioned something about like 906 00:29:21,033 --> 00:29:22,200 VR and split 907 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,833 rendering and stuff like that. 908 00:29:23,833 --> 00:29:25,633 And I'm still not really sure like how 909 00:29:25,633 --> 00:29:26,666 the split rendering 910 00:29:26,666 --> 00:29:28,366 like would play out here. 911 00:29:29,033 --> 00:29:31,133 Like, I don't really understand what the 912 00:29:31,133 --> 00:29:34,233 tech there is to to like render with a 913 00:29:34,233 --> 00:29:36,166 desktop GPU or whatever. 914 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,433 Yeah, I see you guys turning your gears. 915 00:29:40,433 --> 00:29:42,566 Do you know? So I have some thoughts. 916 00:29:43,066 --> 00:29:45,666 I have. Yeah, I've read that Deckard is 917 00:29:45,666 --> 00:29:47,566 supposed to be a standalone headset 918 00:29:48,066 --> 00:29:49,366 that's capable of 919 00:29:49,366 --> 00:29:52,400 connecting to a PC as well. 920 00:29:52,966 --> 00:29:56,033 Yes, the name Steam frame 921 00:29:57,066 --> 00:30:00,266 evokes to me like a mainframe. Right. 922 00:30:00,666 --> 00:30:02,666 Like same, which if anyone doesn't know 923 00:30:02,666 --> 00:30:03,599 what a mainframe is, it's 924 00:30:03,599 --> 00:30:05,233 like you had dumb terminals 925 00:30:05,466 --> 00:30:07,033 that would connect that they were 926 00:30:07,033 --> 00:30:08,133 basically just like a 927 00:30:08,133 --> 00:30:09,066 monitor and keyboard. 928 00:30:09,533 --> 00:30:11,533 And then it would connect back to like a 929 00:30:11,533 --> 00:30:13,466 server and the server would provide 930 00:30:13,533 --> 00:30:15,299 everything that you're seeing on on your 931 00:30:15,299 --> 00:30:17,133 dumb terminal. Right. Right. 932 00:30:17,366 --> 00:30:21,966 And so that to me, this could be both 933 00:30:21,966 --> 00:30:25,433 Deckard and Fremont. Right. 934 00:30:26,133 --> 00:30:27,366 Right. Like it could be 935 00:30:27,366 --> 00:30:28,766 a package deal. Right. 936 00:30:28,766 --> 00:30:29,266 Because it's talking 937 00:30:29,266 --> 00:30:30,900 about streaming, right? 938 00:30:30,900 --> 00:30:31,933 You're streaming content 939 00:30:31,933 --> 00:30:34,133 over the network and whatever. 940 00:30:34,966 --> 00:30:38,033 This could be like a whole ecosystem of 941 00:30:38,033 --> 00:30:39,799 like the steam frame headset 942 00:30:40,933 --> 00:30:44,566 and, you know, a set top unit or a 943 00:30:44,566 --> 00:30:46,400 console, whatever and controllers. 944 00:30:46,566 --> 00:30:48,833 Right. Which I would be here for. 945 00:30:49,133 --> 00:30:51,099 And that is definitely, you know, hoping 946 00:30:51,099 --> 00:30:53,533 in times too rich. Right. Right. 947 00:30:53,533 --> 00:30:54,466 But that would be neat if 948 00:30:54,466 --> 00:30:56,000 that's what it was. Yeah. 949 00:30:56,233 --> 00:30:58,433 In my video about steam frame, I called 950 00:30:58,433 --> 00:30:59,866 that the Big Bang Theory. Right. 951 00:30:59,866 --> 00:31:02,333 Like there seems to be a chance. Right. 952 00:31:02,966 --> 00:31:04,733 And like I also pointed out that like 953 00:31:04,733 --> 00:31:05,933 Valve is not immune. 954 00:31:06,533 --> 00:31:07,666 Like people think of Valve as like 955 00:31:07,666 --> 00:31:09,466 someone that only 956 00:31:09,466 --> 00:31:11,433 sporadically releases something new. 957 00:31:11,433 --> 00:31:12,833 And they are that. But every once in a 958 00:31:12,833 --> 00:31:13,733 while they go through these 959 00:31:13,733 --> 00:31:15,033 like bouts of heavy activity. 960 00:31:16,166 --> 00:31:17,633 So like Steam Machines, they release 961 00:31:17,633 --> 00:31:18,799 Steam OS, Steam Machine, 962 00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:20,000 Steam Link and Steam Controller 963 00:31:20,166 --> 00:31:21,766 all at the same time, pretty much. 964 00:31:22,466 --> 00:31:24,000 And then there's an orange box where they 965 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,000 release three new games at the same time. 966 00:31:27,366 --> 00:31:29,366 Someone pointed out that Steam and 967 00:31:29,366 --> 00:31:30,333 Half-Life 2 Beta, of 968 00:31:30,333 --> 00:31:32,099 course, were at the same time. 969 00:31:32,833 --> 00:31:34,633 So they have these like times where 970 00:31:34,633 --> 00:31:35,799 they're just like heavy. 971 00:31:36,933 --> 00:31:39,166 It's time to, you know, release stuff. 972 00:31:40,466 --> 00:31:41,566 And so there's a chance. 973 00:31:41,633 --> 00:31:43,933 I do think like I think it 974 00:31:43,933 --> 00:31:45,633 would, you know, who am I? 975 00:31:45,633 --> 00:31:47,099 Right. Like I'm probably wrong when I say 976 00:31:47,099 --> 00:31:47,900 this, but I think it would be 977 00:31:47,900 --> 00:31:49,433 a mistake to release Deckard 978 00:31:49,833 --> 00:31:52,833 with with no steam like 979 00:31:52,833 --> 00:31:55,566 branded console, nothing like you. 980 00:31:55,566 --> 00:31:57,033 Basically, you're encouraging people to 981 00:31:57,033 --> 00:31:58,466 use their Windows desktop 982 00:31:59,133 --> 00:32:00,633 to be the the quote unquote 983 00:32:00,633 --> 00:32:03,033 tether to the Deckard or to the. 984 00:32:03,566 --> 00:32:05,466 I won't call it Steam frame yet because 985 00:32:05,466 --> 00:32:06,166 we still don't know for 986 00:32:06,166 --> 00:32:07,266 sure what Steam frame is. 987 00:32:07,266 --> 00:32:08,566 Like you said, it could be the ecosystem. 988 00:32:08,566 --> 00:32:09,333 It could be the Deckard. 989 00:32:09,333 --> 00:32:10,000 It could be the Fremont. 990 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,633 But I think it would be a mistake to 991 00:32:12,633 --> 00:32:14,166 release the VR headset 992 00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:16,966 without something steam 993 00:32:16,966 --> 00:32:18,400 branded to tether it to. 994 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:19,933 And I use tether loosely because it could 995 00:32:19,933 --> 00:32:21,566 be wireless, likely wireless. 996 00:32:22,099 --> 00:32:24,533 Well, I'll see your big bang there and 997 00:32:24,533 --> 00:32:25,299 I'll raise you a grand 998 00:32:25,299 --> 00:32:26,266 unified field theory. 999 00:32:26,266 --> 00:32:29,333 How's this? So not only is it not only is 1000 00:32:29,333 --> 00:32:31,066 this copium, but you would have like 1001 00:32:31,433 --> 00:32:35,299 the the headset and and the console and a 1002 00:32:35,299 --> 00:32:37,266 controller, but also Half-Life 3. 1003 00:32:38,333 --> 00:32:39,700 And and it can be played in 1004 00:32:39,700 --> 00:32:41,833 VR or on a on a 2D screen. 1005 00:32:42,366 --> 00:32:43,599 That that would be amazing. 1006 00:32:43,599 --> 00:32:46,466 And you know, we've seen we've seen where 1007 00:32:46,466 --> 00:32:47,933 we're super hope you on right now. 1008 00:32:47,933 --> 00:32:50,233 Oh, yeah, we've raised you on more. 1009 00:32:50,433 --> 00:32:52,466 Oh, no, no, no, no, no, one more. 1010 00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:55,066 What do you have? Portal three at the 1011 00:32:55,066 --> 00:32:56,133 same time as Half-Life? 1012 00:32:56,366 --> 00:32:57,166 That would be insane. 1013 00:32:57,933 --> 00:32:59,666 Yeah, they released Portal one and 1014 00:32:59,666 --> 00:33:01,533 Half-Life two, episode 1015 00:33:01,533 --> 00:33:02,666 two at the same time. 1016 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:04,633 The orange box, this is 1017 00:33:04,633 --> 00:33:05,433 going to be the frame box. 1018 00:33:06,166 --> 00:33:07,666 Right here. Yeah. 1019 00:33:07,933 --> 00:33:10,266 Is that it's the orange box? 1020 00:33:11,133 --> 00:33:11,933 The orange box? 1021 00:33:12,299 --> 00:33:13,566 Orange or yeah, more 1022 00:33:13,566 --> 00:33:14,866 orange than the last time. 1023 00:33:16,833 --> 00:33:18,900 We don't have we don't have any hints out 1024 00:33:18,900 --> 00:33:20,133 of Portal three, but that would be nice. 1025 00:33:21,133 --> 00:33:23,766 We don't. Well, who knows 1026 00:33:23,766 --> 00:33:24,633 what they're working on? 1027 00:33:24,966 --> 00:33:27,066 I mean, the idea of the idea of the hint 1028 00:33:27,066 --> 00:33:28,333 of that was Half-Life X. 1029 00:33:29,933 --> 00:33:32,166 Yeah, we have the X could be Portal. 1030 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,000 If I'm I'm mistake, I might be mistaken, 1031 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,333 but there are three games 1032 00:33:36,333 --> 00:33:37,833 that Valve is working on, right? 1033 00:33:38,433 --> 00:33:39,233 Like there's there's 1034 00:33:39,233 --> 00:33:41,033 HLX and there's Deadlock, 1035 00:33:41,033 --> 00:33:42,266 but there's also another 1036 00:33:42,266 --> 00:33:43,666 one that's kind of like 1037 00:33:44,466 --> 00:33:46,633 Lego Minecrafty kind of. 1038 00:33:46,833 --> 00:33:47,833 Am I wrong about that? 1039 00:33:48,233 --> 00:33:48,933 I heard about that 1040 00:33:48,933 --> 00:33:50,266 last year or something. 1041 00:33:50,599 --> 00:33:52,766 I don't know for sure. I do know. 1042 00:33:54,133 --> 00:33:55,266 Sorry, my kids are playing in the 1043 00:33:55,266 --> 00:33:56,133 background, so there 1044 00:33:56,133 --> 00:33:56,733 might be a little noise. 1045 00:33:57,233 --> 00:33:58,933 I do remember that there are a couple 1046 00:33:58,933 --> 00:33:59,633 games in development. 1047 00:33:59,866 --> 00:34:01,533 One thing I haven't watched it yet, but I 1048 00:34:01,533 --> 00:34:02,200 think Tyler McVicker 1049 00:34:02,299 --> 00:34:04,333 just put out a video on like a single 1050 00:34:04,333 --> 00:34:06,133 player Team Fortress thing. 1051 00:34:06,666 --> 00:34:08,466 You guys seen that? Yeah, there is a Team 1052 00:34:08,466 --> 00:34:09,733 Fortress game as well. 1053 00:34:10,633 --> 00:34:12,833 So yeah, that could be a thing. 1054 00:34:13,633 --> 00:34:15,233 They're experimenting with a lot of 1055 00:34:15,233 --> 00:34:17,466 different games in tech right now, 1056 00:34:17,466 --> 00:34:19,900 and they've been working on these 1057 00:34:19,900 --> 00:34:22,166 hardware like the Deckard for years. 1058 00:34:22,466 --> 00:34:25,966 I mean, Gabe said in the interview right 1059 00:34:25,966 --> 00:34:27,333 when they released the Steam Deck that 1060 00:34:27,333 --> 00:34:28,966 they are working on a headset, 1061 00:34:29,433 --> 00:34:31,733 you know, a potential headset that's 1062 00:34:31,733 --> 00:34:33,366 similar to what we've been talking about 1063 00:34:33,366 --> 00:34:35,766 over the years with the Steamframe. 1064 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,599 I'm going to OK, I haven't really given 1065 00:34:38,599 --> 00:34:39,966 what I think this is yet. 1066 00:34:40,366 --> 00:34:42,599 I think when I first heard it was 1067 00:34:44,266 --> 00:34:47,166 the Fremont like the console. 1068 00:34:48,300 --> 00:34:49,199 Then I was kind of 1069 00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:50,566 convinced more as I like 1070 00:34:51,333 --> 00:34:54,133 from my chat and from like seeing frame 1071 00:34:54,133 --> 00:34:54,966 like, OK, well, it's 1072 00:34:54,966 --> 00:34:55,866 probably like some type of 1073 00:34:55,866 --> 00:35:01,433 glasses or something like that, but I not 1074 00:35:01,433 --> 00:35:02,033 glasses, but, you 1075 00:35:02,033 --> 00:35:03,833 know, like a VR headset. 1076 00:35:04,166 --> 00:35:05,566 But I feel like it 1077 00:35:05,566 --> 00:35:06,533 would be more than glasses. 1078 00:35:06,766 --> 00:35:09,266 So I'm kind of edging towards 1079 00:35:10,633 --> 00:35:13,066 it being probably 1080 00:35:14,433 --> 00:35:16,833 a system to where you can get the console 1081 00:35:16,833 --> 00:35:20,333 or and or get and get the headset 1082 00:35:20,333 --> 00:35:22,166 and they'll work together. I like that. 1083 00:35:22,166 --> 00:35:23,266 What we what you guys have been talking 1084 00:35:23,266 --> 00:35:24,633 about. I like that synergy. 1085 00:35:25,333 --> 00:35:27,633 I think split 1086 00:35:28,766 --> 00:35:30,133 rendering and doing stuff like that is 1087 00:35:30,133 --> 00:35:31,766 more eGPU kind of oriented. 1088 00:35:32,633 --> 00:35:36,599 And you could potentially with a lot of 1089 00:35:36,599 --> 00:35:38,500 work be able to utilize 1090 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,300 multiple GPUs, even because 1091 00:35:41,300 --> 00:35:43,466 we've done it in the past with 1092 00:35:44,466 --> 00:35:47,166 SLI and stuff, there's there's potential 1093 00:35:47,166 --> 00:35:48,366 that they're hopeful. 1094 00:35:48,933 --> 00:35:50,633 This is me being very hopeful that we're 1095 00:35:50,633 --> 00:35:51,400 actually going to get something 1096 00:35:52,466 --> 00:35:55,166 next gen with all this of actually having 1097 00:35:55,166 --> 00:35:57,466 like a Deckard and then you can plug it 1098 00:35:57,466 --> 00:35:59,599 into your steam frame and get even more 1099 00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:02,466 power to run through 1100 00:36:02,466 --> 00:36:03,533 games like Half-Life, 1101 00:36:03,533 --> 00:36:04,766 Alex and stuff like that. So. 1102 00:36:05,066 --> 00:36:06,333 So the curious thing about the split 1103 00:36:06,333 --> 00:36:07,533 rendering, right, is one 1104 00:36:07,533 --> 00:36:08,433 thing we haven't talked about 1105 00:36:08,533 --> 00:36:09,933 with the Deckard being a standalone 1106 00:36:09,933 --> 00:36:11,699 headset is that it is 1107 00:36:11,699 --> 00:36:13,466 rumored to be powered by an AMD 1108 00:36:13,833 --> 00:36:15,866 excuse me, an ARM APU. Right. 1109 00:36:16,566 --> 00:36:19,066 And so for it to work 1110 00:36:19,066 --> 00:36:21,033 without being tethered. 1111 00:36:21,066 --> 00:36:21,766 And again, I'm using 1112 00:36:21,766 --> 00:36:23,333 tethered loosely wired wirelessly. 1113 00:36:25,166 --> 00:36:26,266 It would it would need 1114 00:36:26,266 --> 00:36:28,933 translation for non-ARM games. 1115 00:36:28,933 --> 00:36:30,466 And there are going to be ARM games, 1116 00:36:30,833 --> 00:36:33,333 presumably, based on what 1117 00:36:33,333 --> 00:36:34,699 we've seen from various leaks. 1118 00:36:35,066 --> 00:36:37,199 There will just be ARM native VR games 1119 00:36:37,199 --> 00:36:39,133 that work with the Deckard. 1120 00:36:39,466 --> 00:36:41,966 But then there are going to be x86 VR 1121 00:36:41,966 --> 00:36:44,633 games that need a translation layer. 1122 00:36:45,333 --> 00:36:48,466 And so that's the part that confuses me 1123 00:36:48,466 --> 00:36:49,266 about split rendering. 1124 00:36:49,266 --> 00:36:51,066 Like, how would we have something that is 1125 00:36:51,066 --> 00:36:53,866 rendering on the Deckard with an ARM APU, 1126 00:36:54,333 --> 00:36:57,066 but sharing the load with an X, not an 1127 00:36:57,066 --> 00:37:00,500 x86, but a GPU either, you know, 1128 00:37:01,333 --> 00:37:01,933 obviously would be 1129 00:37:01,933 --> 00:37:02,966 external to the Deckard. 1130 00:37:03,566 --> 00:37:04,266 But like, you know, 1131 00:37:04,500 --> 00:37:06,099 would it be on a desktop? 1132 00:37:06,099 --> 00:37:07,633 Would it be? And I just don't understand 1133 00:37:07,633 --> 00:37:10,099 how you break that load up. 1134 00:37:10,833 --> 00:37:13,300 Realistically, ARM is the CPU. 1135 00:37:14,166 --> 00:37:15,500 I don't know if they've ever paired 1136 00:37:15,500 --> 00:37:18,900 anything like an ARM and the AMD or 1137 00:37:18,933 --> 00:37:20,566 Nvidia. Nvidia has done this. 1138 00:37:21,033 --> 00:37:22,266 They paired an ARM CPU 1139 00:37:22,266 --> 00:37:24,133 with like an RTX card. 1140 00:37:24,433 --> 00:37:25,633 So it's possible. You 1141 00:37:25,633 --> 00:37:26,833 just get a driver for it. 1142 00:37:27,233 --> 00:37:27,900 Yeah, I mean, you can do 1143 00:37:27,900 --> 00:37:28,866 that with a Raspberry Pi. 1144 00:37:29,233 --> 00:37:31,033 Like, there's yeah, it's it's 1145 00:37:31,033 --> 00:37:32,699 the biggest issue is drivers. 1146 00:37:33,166 --> 00:37:34,666 But yeah, yeah. 1147 00:37:34,666 --> 00:37:35,366 Jeff Gill has got a 1148 00:37:35,366 --> 00:37:36,900 million videos about doing that. 1149 00:37:38,033 --> 00:37:38,833 That's what I was. 1150 00:37:38,833 --> 00:37:40,266 It's going to be the drivers, which is 1151 00:37:40,266 --> 00:37:42,033 it's a big deal because they still can't 1152 00:37:42,033 --> 00:37:43,266 get drivers right sometimes. 1153 00:37:43,699 --> 00:37:44,233 But yeah. 1154 00:37:45,366 --> 00:37:46,333 But if they're shipping a 1155 00:37:46,333 --> 00:37:47,933 product that is ARM based, 1156 00:37:48,099 --> 00:37:48,900 they're going to have 1157 00:37:48,900 --> 00:37:50,566 the drivers built in like. 1158 00:37:51,166 --> 00:37:53,733 Yeah. And you know, you mentioned eGPUs, 1159 00:37:53,733 --> 00:37:54,433 James, and it's like, 1160 00:37:55,300 --> 00:37:56,466 what if it's kind of like 1161 00:37:56,466 --> 00:37:58,300 the the Apple Vision Pro? 1162 00:37:58,666 --> 00:37:59,933 But instead of having a backpack 1163 00:37:59,933 --> 00:38:00,866 tethered, you have a 1164 00:38:00,866 --> 00:38:02,933 GPU and it's like off. 1165 00:38:03,333 --> 00:38:04,699 Like it's not on your head because it's 1166 00:38:04,699 --> 00:38:06,866 heavy and you can like carry that around. 1167 00:38:07,500 --> 00:38:08,933 Pocket it whatever you need to do. 1168 00:38:09,433 --> 00:38:11,166 Maybe not pocket it. But you know, I 1169 00:38:11,166 --> 00:38:13,066 really hope this is the future, 1170 00:38:13,099 --> 00:38:16,533 is the eGPU concept of if I want more 1171 00:38:16,533 --> 00:38:18,266 power like with the Steam Deck 2 1172 00:38:18,766 --> 00:38:20,766 and you have a let's say the 1173 00:38:20,766 --> 00:38:22,533 Steam frame is a is a console, 1174 00:38:23,033 --> 00:38:26,466 I can dock my Steam Deck with my console 1175 00:38:26,466 --> 00:38:29,266 and just utilize the CPU 1176 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:30,366 and the hard drive and 1177 00:38:30,366 --> 00:38:31,266 all that my Steam decks. 1178 00:38:31,266 --> 00:38:32,633 I don't have to keep on transferring 1179 00:38:32,633 --> 00:38:33,433 stuff back and forth 1180 00:38:33,433 --> 00:38:35,333 and just boost my power. 1181 00:38:35,699 --> 00:38:36,666 I love stuff like that. 1182 00:38:37,033 --> 00:38:42,233 So I'm really, really hoping for this 1183 00:38:42,933 --> 00:38:46,166 split rendering and having it be 1184 00:38:47,033 --> 00:38:49,033 because I think it also 1185 00:38:49,033 --> 00:38:50,466 makes it so that you can 1186 00:38:51,566 --> 00:38:52,466 extend the use. You could 1187 00:38:52,466 --> 00:38:54,833 keep on buying maybe new consoles 1188 00:38:54,833 --> 00:38:57,433 that will still keep on rendering 1189 00:38:59,766 --> 00:39:00,800 or keep keep. 1190 00:39:02,966 --> 00:39:05,033 Keep the decker, let's say, alive 1191 00:39:05,766 --> 00:39:07,466 much longer because you keep on upgrading 1192 00:39:07,466 --> 00:39:08,866 the graphics like, you know. 1193 00:39:09,866 --> 00:39:11,933 A GPU usually is with the computer. 1194 00:39:12,266 --> 00:39:14,066 Yeah. Do we think there's going to be a 1195 00:39:14,066 --> 00:39:15,733 console involved with the Steam frame? 1196 00:39:15,733 --> 00:39:17,800 Yes or no? This is simply yes or no. 1197 00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:21,133 Possibly. Yes. Yes. 1198 00:39:21,733 --> 00:39:23,133 Yeah, I'm wrong with these types of 1199 00:39:23,133 --> 00:39:24,133 things all the time. 1200 00:39:24,133 --> 00:39:25,500 Like we say being gardener, we're 1201 00:39:25,500 --> 00:39:27,400 guessing Half-Life 3 earlier this year. 1202 00:39:27,766 --> 00:39:30,533 So it's all good, man. 1203 00:39:31,233 --> 00:39:32,566 I yeah, a lot of hope 1204 00:39:32,566 --> 00:39:34,266 in a lot of hope in here. 1205 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:35,233 Yeah. What matters is 1206 00:39:35,233 --> 00:39:37,233 you stick to your guns. 1207 00:39:39,199 --> 00:39:41,066 Even when proven wrong, you just. 1208 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:42,800 That's the only way to make 1209 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,099 money on the Internet, though. 1210 00:39:44,666 --> 00:39:45,433 Yeah, it's fun. 1211 00:39:45,866 --> 00:39:47,433 Like people need to start getting back 1212 00:39:47,433 --> 00:39:48,866 into fun and less into like 1213 00:39:48,866 --> 00:39:49,266 somebody's 1214 00:39:49,266 --> 00:39:50,433 prediction. This is game stuff. 1215 00:39:50,433 --> 00:39:51,199 Come on, guys. Yeah. 1216 00:39:51,533 --> 00:39:52,333 This is in stock market. 1217 00:39:52,966 --> 00:39:54,033 Yeah, I'm sticking with 1218 00:39:54,033 --> 00:39:56,933 my unified field theory 1219 00:39:58,166 --> 00:39:59,733 where it's going to also include a 1220 00:39:59,733 --> 00:40:01,000 console, a headset, a 1221 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,433 controller and Half-Life 3. 1222 00:40:03,433 --> 00:40:04,366 I actually agree with 1223 00:40:04,366 --> 00:40:05,266 you on that one, Gardener. 1224 00:40:05,666 --> 00:40:07,666 If it doesn't come out this year, I 1225 00:40:07,666 --> 00:40:08,566 really think it's going to be a bundle. 1226 00:40:08,633 --> 00:40:09,933 If it comes out this year, it could be 1227 00:40:09,933 --> 00:40:12,633 potentially just like one or two devices. 1228 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,233 If it's a bundle, you 1229 00:40:15,233 --> 00:40:16,833 think it's going to be $1,100? 1230 00:40:18,599 --> 00:40:23,233 No. No, I mean, if I could see it. 1231 00:40:23,233 --> 00:40:24,599 Yes, I can see it being. 1232 00:40:25,833 --> 00:40:27,766 1,100. Yeah, I think it's 1233 00:40:27,766 --> 00:40:29,133 going to be the same price 1234 00:40:30,033 --> 00:40:32,733 as the Legion go to 1235 00:40:32,733 --> 00:40:34,266 knocked it out of the park. 1236 00:40:34,666 --> 00:40:37,933 I think it's you're going to 1237 00:40:37,933 --> 00:40:40,366 get a better deal with the valve 1238 00:40:40,733 --> 00:40:42,933 or the the steam frame than 1239 00:40:42,933 --> 00:40:45,633 with the Legion go to guys. 1240 00:40:46,900 --> 00:40:48,966 I mean, this is the this is the device I 1241 00:40:48,966 --> 00:40:50,733 was really excited for 1242 00:40:51,633 --> 00:40:53,233 to replace everything because I was going 1243 00:40:53,233 --> 00:40:54,066 to use it with an GPU 1244 00:40:54,066 --> 00:40:56,766 and just use it on the I don't know if 1245 00:40:56,766 --> 00:40:58,099 it's going to happen now. 1246 00:40:59,266 --> 00:41:02,699 Yeah, I was pretty excited for this, too. 1247 00:41:02,733 --> 00:41:04,400 And this like was 1248 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:05,599 like a punch in the gut. 1249 00:41:06,333 --> 00:41:10,766 I like the thing about the Legion go one 1250 00:41:11,533 --> 00:41:14,866 is that in a sea, I know it was only 1251 00:41:14,866 --> 00:41:17,066 pretty much immediately after ROG ally. 1252 00:41:17,066 --> 00:41:19,233 So it was pretty much just steam deck ROG 1253 00:41:19,233 --> 00:41:20,400 ally and then Legion go. 1254 00:41:21,199 --> 00:41:22,766 But still, we had the I and Neos. 1255 00:41:22,766 --> 00:41:23,966 We knew the like one X 1256 00:41:23,966 --> 00:41:25,033 players that were coming. 1257 00:41:25,466 --> 00:41:29,233 And so in a sea of new PC handhelds, the 1258 00:41:29,233 --> 00:41:30,733 Legion go was like unique 1259 00:41:31,633 --> 00:41:33,033 and Legion go to is 1260 00:41:33,033 --> 00:41:34,633 unique amongst other handhelds, 1261 00:41:34,633 --> 00:41:36,199 but now it's just iterative. Right. 1262 00:41:36,433 --> 00:41:39,133 And so like to have just an iteration 1263 00:41:40,466 --> 00:41:43,133 and have it come in at 1049, 1264 00:41:43,133 --> 00:41:45,199 it just I don't blame Lenovo. 1265 00:41:45,466 --> 00:41:47,333 There's, you know, TSMC, 1266 00:41:47,566 --> 00:41:48,733 the the way for manufacturer 1267 00:41:48,866 --> 00:41:52,066 that is raising their prices per unit. 1268 00:41:52,633 --> 00:41:53,400 There's the tariffs 1269 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:54,599 that we've talked about. 1270 00:41:55,166 --> 00:41:56,699 So it's it's not that I 1271 00:41:56,699 --> 00:41:57,900 blame Lenovo specifically, 1272 00:41:59,066 --> 00:42:02,866 but I feel like as a as a whole, we've 1273 00:42:02,866 --> 00:42:04,733 sort of lost a plot in this. 1274 00:42:05,333 --> 00:42:08,166 Yeah, honestly, honestly, 1275 00:42:08,166 --> 00:42:09,400 if you want to get the Z2 1276 00:42:10,166 --> 00:42:13,166 like process at all, almost makes the ROG 1277 00:42:13,166 --> 00:42:15,533 Xbox ally X look a good deal. 1278 00:42:15,533 --> 00:42:17,400 I'd like $900 almost. 1279 00:42:17,866 --> 00:42:21,099 And to be clear, that hasn't been 1280 00:42:21,099 --> 00:42:22,133 confirmed yet, right? 1281 00:42:22,466 --> 00:42:23,300 That's just based on 1282 00:42:23,300 --> 00:42:24,533 that was just a leak. 1283 00:42:24,866 --> 00:42:26,900 Yes, a reliable one. 1284 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,466 But I think Xbox raising 1285 00:42:30,466 --> 00:42:32,833 their prices on the Xbox series 1286 00:42:33,666 --> 00:42:34,733 indicates that they're going to be 1287 00:42:34,733 --> 00:42:35,933 charging higher than they're 1288 00:42:35,933 --> 00:42:36,866 not going to make it affordable 1289 00:42:37,633 --> 00:42:38,400 in the sense of like 1290 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:39,666 what consoles typically are. 1291 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:41,566 Constance usually come out at either as a 1292 00:42:41,566 --> 00:42:43,599 loss leader or at almost a base. 1293 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,366 And then they make up the money on games. 1294 00:42:46,833 --> 00:42:48,933 I just don't I don't know if Xbox is 1295 00:42:48,933 --> 00:42:50,000 doing that as much anymore. 1296 00:42:51,199 --> 00:42:51,833 Same with PlayStation. 1297 00:42:53,566 --> 00:42:55,699 To give some context to all this, 1298 00:42:55,933 --> 00:42:57,766 the Lenovo Legion Go 2 1299 00:42:57,766 --> 00:43:00,099 does have the Z2 extreme, 1300 00:43:00,433 --> 00:43:03,333 but this title is very misleading in some 1301 00:43:03,333 --> 00:43:06,066 ways that it does not have it at $1,000. 1302 00:43:06,866 --> 00:43:07,733 You have to get up pretty 1303 00:43:07,733 --> 00:43:09,400 far up into the upgrade package 1304 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,866 because I believe it has the Z2 starting 1305 00:43:12,866 --> 00:43:15,233 at 1000 with 16 gigabytes of RAM. 1306 00:43:17,233 --> 00:43:19,033 And to get to like the Z2 extreme 1307 00:43:19,033 --> 00:43:20,966 processor with up to 32 gigabytes of RAM, 1308 00:43:20,966 --> 00:43:24,166 you're going to be paying 14, $1,500. 1309 00:43:25,199 --> 00:43:27,433 So what? I missed that. 1310 00:43:28,699 --> 00:43:29,766 Yeah, it's crazy, man. 1311 00:43:29,766 --> 00:43:32,266 Like I like the Legion Go. 1312 00:43:32,266 --> 00:43:35,033 I have an original Legion Go and it's 1313 00:43:35,033 --> 00:43:36,166 still like I still 1314 00:43:36,166 --> 00:43:37,233 have a soft spot for it. 1315 00:43:37,233 --> 00:43:39,500 But at the same time, though, I mean, the 1316 00:43:39,500 --> 00:43:41,033 prices are crazy, man. 1317 00:43:41,466 --> 00:43:42,733 Like this is so misleading. 1318 00:43:43,066 --> 00:43:46,033 Really, this is this is I like Tom Hart 1319 00:43:46,033 --> 00:43:48,533 Tom's hardware, but this is really bad. 1320 00:43:48,533 --> 00:43:49,699 They need to have it be. 1321 00:43:49,699 --> 00:43:49,966 Let's see. 1322 00:43:49,966 --> 00:43:52,666 So unless they have to that I'm missing. 1323 00:43:53,033 --> 00:43:55,133 This is very misleading. 1324 00:43:55,133 --> 00:43:56,199 They need to have two or three columns 1325 00:43:56,199 --> 00:43:59,599 because having up to 1326 00:43:59,966 --> 00:44:02,733 but then having it say starting at is 1327 00:44:02,733 --> 00:44:04,266 just does not show how 1328 00:44:04,266 --> 00:44:06,433 different the pricing is on this. 1329 00:44:06,699 --> 00:44:07,466 Who's the author of this 1330 00:44:07,466 --> 00:44:09,133 article? That's that is bullshit. 1331 00:44:09,966 --> 00:44:10,633 Well, I don't know if 1332 00:44:10,633 --> 00:44:11,699 I want to like call it. 1333 00:44:11,699 --> 00:44:12,666 Yeah, we don't want to. 1334 00:44:12,866 --> 00:44:14,233 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1335 00:44:14,233 --> 00:44:15,633 But we should probably shame on this. 1336 00:44:15,633 --> 00:44:17,000 I'd rather name or shame the company 1337 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:18,133 itself, not an individual. 1338 00:44:18,466 --> 00:44:20,933 But because there are layers, right? 1339 00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:22,133 There was an author, 1340 00:44:22,366 --> 00:44:23,633 there was an editor to it. 1341 00:44:23,966 --> 00:44:25,699 Yeah, I think there are four skews, 1342 00:44:25,699 --> 00:44:29,633 technically speaking of this to Z2s and 1343 00:44:29,633 --> 00:44:31,066 two Z2 extreme models. 1344 00:44:33,133 --> 00:44:34,633 But from what I understand, 1345 00:44:36,266 --> 00:44:37,666 I don't know, things are just insanely 1346 00:44:37,666 --> 00:44:38,699 expensive at this point. 1347 00:44:39,199 --> 00:44:40,500 I think we have lost a lot. 1348 00:44:40,500 --> 00:44:42,833 But to be and to be honest, the PC 1349 00:44:42,833 --> 00:44:45,266 handheld market has never really been. 1350 00:44:46,633 --> 00:44:47,900 It has always been kind of expensive. 1351 00:44:47,933 --> 00:44:49,500 Really, the steam deck has always been 1352 00:44:49,500 --> 00:44:50,500 the real outlier here. 1353 00:44:50,533 --> 00:44:52,733 Like even before the steam deck, you 1354 00:44:52,733 --> 00:44:55,500 know, we've had I and Nio's and GBD's 1355 00:44:55,500 --> 00:44:56,533 like inching towards a 1356 00:44:56,533 --> 00:44:58,333 thousand dollars as is. 1357 00:44:59,699 --> 00:45:00,266 And those were weak 1358 00:45:00,266 --> 00:45:01,166 in the steam deck, too. 1359 00:45:01,266 --> 00:45:02,333 The when the steam that came out, it was 1360 00:45:02,333 --> 00:45:03,500 both the cheapest and 1361 00:45:03,500 --> 00:45:04,466 most powerful handheld. 1362 00:45:04,466 --> 00:45:05,366 So it kind of like. 1363 00:45:06,733 --> 00:45:07,633 This kind of like. 1364 00:45:08,933 --> 00:45:10,566 Shook up the market substantially to the 1365 00:45:10,566 --> 00:45:12,166 point where everything's 1366 00:45:12,166 --> 00:45:13,400 still feeling the effects, too. 1367 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,233 So. Here's one thing, one big take. 1368 00:45:18,599 --> 00:45:21,466 I the original Legion go, I bought it. 1369 00:45:21,466 --> 00:45:22,766 I'd returned it after doing a review 1370 00:45:22,766 --> 00:45:24,233 because I couldn't stand it. 1371 00:45:24,533 --> 00:45:25,733 The it's not comfortable. 1372 00:45:27,433 --> 00:45:30,033 The the new design looks 1373 00:45:30,033 --> 00:45:30,766 a lot more comfortable. 1374 00:45:31,266 --> 00:45:31,966 But if you look right 1375 00:45:31,966 --> 00:45:33,633 here, this is the price for it. 1376 00:45:33,633 --> 00:45:34,833 So it's a little less than I. 1377 00:45:35,333 --> 00:45:36,566 I swear they dropped this. 1378 00:45:36,566 --> 00:45:37,933 They must have dropped it or something, 1379 00:45:37,933 --> 00:45:39,233 because since I looked at it last, I 1380 00:45:39,233 --> 00:45:42,033 swear this was like 14, 14 or 1500. 1381 00:45:42,699 --> 00:45:45,266 But yeah, so for the more powerful 1382 00:45:45,266 --> 00:45:46,633 version or I don't know if 1383 00:45:46,633 --> 00:45:47,733 this is the most powerful skew 1384 00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,966 that they have, but like it's 1350. 1385 00:45:53,066 --> 00:45:56,033 Which I'm sorry, I think they have a two 1386 00:45:56,033 --> 00:45:58,433 terabyte model, but they 1387 00:45:58,433 --> 00:45:59,400 probably have a two terabyte, 1388 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:00,233 which at that point I 1389 00:46:00,233 --> 00:46:01,333 just upgraded myself. 1390 00:46:01,900 --> 00:46:07,266 But this is on the edge of just being 1391 00:46:07,266 --> 00:46:09,199 like ridiculously expensive. 1392 00:46:09,199 --> 00:46:11,666 And I almost I almost want to buy it just 1393 00:46:11,666 --> 00:46:15,099 because at least it's I want to try it 1394 00:46:15,099 --> 00:46:15,866 because at least it's 1395 00:46:15,866 --> 00:46:16,933 the better Legion go to. 1396 00:46:16,966 --> 00:46:17,833 If the drivers are 1397 00:46:17,833 --> 00:46:21,866 good, I would maybe get it. 1398 00:46:21,866 --> 00:46:23,633 I don't know. It is 1399 00:46:23,633 --> 00:46:24,833 worth mentioning that. 1400 00:46:25,933 --> 00:46:26,433 So we should talk 1401 00:46:26,433 --> 00:46:27,400 about more about the specs. 1402 00:46:28,266 --> 00:46:30,033 So we should talk about the screen 1403 00:46:30,033 --> 00:46:31,599 because the screen is probably what's 1404 00:46:31,599 --> 00:46:33,366 contributing a lot to the price increase. 1405 00:46:33,966 --> 00:46:36,533 Yeah. It's a OLED with a variable refresh 1406 00:46:36,533 --> 00:46:38,766 rate, which is incredibly rare because I 1407 00:46:38,766 --> 00:46:39,666 remember reading that, 1408 00:46:39,666 --> 00:46:42,133 there was always the OLED flicker with 1409 00:46:42,133 --> 00:46:43,300 variable refresh rates. 1410 00:46:44,333 --> 00:46:48,466 And I mean, I guess Lenovo has some sort 1411 00:46:48,466 --> 00:46:49,466 of insane technology 1412 00:46:49,466 --> 00:46:50,833 to figure that shit out. 1413 00:46:53,133 --> 00:46:54,066 Yeah, just the screen 1414 00:46:54,066 --> 00:46:55,000 technology is coming out. 1415 00:46:55,366 --> 00:46:57,933 Yeah, honestly. So here's the thing. 1416 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,466 I know I even gawked and 1417 00:47:00,466 --> 00:47:01,433 I make fun of the price. 1418 00:47:02,300 --> 00:47:04,733 Handhelds like this should be affordable. 1419 00:47:05,933 --> 00:47:07,166 This is not designed to 1420 00:47:07,166 --> 00:47:08,133 be an affordable handset. 1421 00:47:08,133 --> 00:47:09,433 It is designed to be like a 1422 00:47:09,433 --> 00:47:11,833 flagship or like the the the 1423 00:47:12,733 --> 00:47:14,699 I think packing everything that people 1424 00:47:14,699 --> 00:47:16,566 really want, like would want 1425 00:47:17,133 --> 00:47:18,966 if they have the money into a handheld. 1426 00:47:19,233 --> 00:47:20,166 That's what this is, I think. 1427 00:47:20,533 --> 00:47:22,266 You're absolutely not wrong. 1428 00:47:22,733 --> 00:47:24,566 That is 100 percent true. 1429 00:47:24,566 --> 00:47:26,599 I think where I'm like my 1430 00:47:26,599 --> 00:47:29,433 hang up is is Steam Deck OLED. 1431 00:47:29,866 --> 00:47:30,733 The base model of Steam 1432 00:47:30,733 --> 00:47:32,099 Deck OLED is 550. Right. 1433 00:47:32,733 --> 00:47:34,699 And so does this bring 1434 00:47:34,699 --> 00:47:38,566 more than two times of, 1435 00:47:39,366 --> 00:47:39,800 you know, 1436 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,533 satisfaction value value. Right. 1437 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:44,666 Then the steam that go it. 1438 00:47:44,666 --> 00:47:45,566 And that's that's the part 1439 00:47:45,566 --> 00:47:47,066 that is hard for me to justify. 1440 00:47:47,066 --> 00:47:49,466 I know that potentially, you know, this 1441 00:47:49,466 --> 00:47:50,933 is a loss leader for Valve. 1442 00:47:52,233 --> 00:47:53,833 A lot of people at this point seem 1443 00:47:53,833 --> 00:47:55,266 settled in the fact that it is. 1444 00:47:55,266 --> 00:47:56,666 I'm a little bit more. I 1445 00:47:56,666 --> 00:47:57,766 don't think it is. Yeah. 1446 00:47:58,333 --> 00:47:59,766 I don't think it's a loss. I don't think 1447 00:47:59,766 --> 00:48:01,166 it's a loss leader. Yeah. 1448 00:48:03,099 --> 00:48:05,199 I just think they they got a really good 1449 00:48:05,199 --> 00:48:06,266 bill of materials, right? 1450 00:48:06,300 --> 00:48:08,433 They worked it out and they are able to 1451 00:48:08,433 --> 00:48:10,333 sell at a tiny profit, 1452 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:11,466 but probably a profit 1453 00:48:11,466 --> 00:48:14,066 nonetheless. Very small. Yeah. 1454 00:48:14,733 --> 00:48:18,833 And so, yeah, I there is virtually 1455 00:48:19,633 --> 00:48:22,666 maybe literally no one that I could 1456 00:48:22,666 --> 00:48:24,233 recommend say, yeah, 1457 00:48:24,233 --> 00:48:26,266 you should spend two times more money and 1458 00:48:26,266 --> 00:48:27,699 get the Lenovo Legion go to. 1459 00:48:28,766 --> 00:48:29,466 I'm the person. 1460 00:48:30,133 --> 00:48:31,133 That's the thing. All right. 1461 00:48:31,266 --> 00:48:33,000 I know one person, you know. 1462 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:33,966 Yeah, you know, one person. 1463 00:48:34,500 --> 00:48:36,566 I mean, also I'm an idiot, but, you know, 1464 00:48:36,866 --> 00:48:38,400 that's besides the fact the point. 1465 00:48:39,666 --> 00:48:42,133 This for me, it's worth the because it 1466 00:48:42,133 --> 00:48:44,066 has the eight point eight inch screen. 1467 00:48:44,500 --> 00:48:45,033 It's got higher 1468 00:48:45,033 --> 00:48:46,800 resolution, which I actually like. 1469 00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:47,800 And I mean, having it be a 1470 00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,933 bigger screen that does help. 1471 00:48:50,566 --> 00:48:52,566 I do think the steam deck is a little on 1472 00:48:52,566 --> 00:48:55,566 the resolution is a little low for me 1473 00:48:56,266 --> 00:48:57,666 for some of the tech games 1474 00:48:57,666 --> 00:48:58,833 that I've played with text. 1475 00:49:00,933 --> 00:49:02,366 The biggest kicker to with this is that 1476 00:49:02,366 --> 00:49:03,166 like that battery is 1477 00:49:03,166 --> 00:49:03,833 not going to last long. 1478 00:49:03,833 --> 00:49:06,866 And I don't care because I play in one to 1479 00:49:06,866 --> 00:49:08,933 two hour sprint sprints 1480 00:49:09,199 --> 00:49:10,966 and oftentimes near 1481 00:49:10,966 --> 00:49:12,166 an outlet if I have to. 1482 00:49:12,433 --> 00:49:14,833 Like I have I have a charger right here. 1483 00:49:14,833 --> 00:49:16,166 I have a charger in my room. 1484 00:49:16,500 --> 00:49:19,199 I already I'm set up. 1485 00:49:19,199 --> 00:49:22,633 And so this is nearly perfect for me. 1486 00:49:22,633 --> 00:49:26,733 That price is, you know, 1487 00:49:27,333 --> 00:49:28,633 you can't expect it to be 1488 00:49:28,633 --> 00:49:30,233 too much cheaper than that 1489 00:49:30,933 --> 00:49:33,500 for all this crap shoved into it. 1490 00:49:34,166 --> 00:49:37,866 Are you go ahead, I think I was going to 1491 00:49:37,866 --> 00:49:38,599 say that's fair enough. 1492 00:49:39,333 --> 00:49:40,833 I mean, the battery life is also 1493 00:49:40,833 --> 00:49:42,266 substantially improved as well. 1494 00:49:42,266 --> 00:49:43,233 I think the original only 1495 00:49:43,233 --> 00:49:45,033 had 50 watt hours, correct. 1496 00:49:45,366 --> 00:49:46,166 Yeah. Yeah. 1497 00:49:46,466 --> 00:49:48,933 And this is this is inching towards the, 1498 00:49:48,933 --> 00:49:51,566 you know, the ROG Ally X. 1499 00:49:51,933 --> 00:49:53,966 You remember, like, I mean, if you guys 1500 00:49:53,966 --> 00:49:54,833 remember when that released, 1501 00:49:54,833 --> 00:49:55,966 that had the best battery 1502 00:49:55,966 --> 00:49:57,033 life of all the devices. 1503 00:49:57,033 --> 00:49:58,500 I mean, just having a 1504 00:49:58,500 --> 00:49:59,566 bigger battery to do that, right? 1505 00:50:00,066 --> 00:50:01,666 Yeah. But this this screen 1506 00:50:01,666 --> 00:50:02,633 is going to destroy that. 1507 00:50:02,666 --> 00:50:03,633 Any gains it had. 1508 00:50:05,633 --> 00:50:07,133 It's going to be better than Legion Go, 1509 00:50:08,266 --> 00:50:09,033 because it's the same. 1510 00:50:09,033 --> 00:50:10,766 It's similarly specced screen. 1511 00:50:11,533 --> 00:50:13,366 Well, actually, the screen is a 1512 00:50:14,566 --> 00:50:16,133 I think it's a lower resolution on this 1513 00:50:16,133 --> 00:50:17,366 one than the old Legion. 1514 00:50:17,366 --> 00:50:17,766 Yeah. Right. 1515 00:50:18,533 --> 00:50:19,833 You might be right, actually. 1516 00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,966 Old Legion goes 1600 P. 1517 00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,233 Yeah. OK. So yeah, 1518 00:50:25,233 --> 00:50:26,300 maybe it will get better. 1519 00:50:26,599 --> 00:50:28,033 OK. Yeah. 1520 00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:29,566 And it's very more fresh rate, too. 1521 00:50:30,166 --> 00:50:31,300 It sounds, James, like 1522 00:50:31,300 --> 00:50:32,333 you're more excited about this 1523 00:50:32,433 --> 00:50:34,733 than Ally Xbox Ally. 1524 00:50:35,766 --> 00:50:37,066 Is that is that true? 1525 00:50:37,066 --> 00:50:38,699 This, by the way, this also looks like it 1526 00:50:38,699 --> 00:50:41,400 releases later than the Xbox Ally. 1527 00:50:41,933 --> 00:50:44,500 The end of October is what the what I've 1528 00:50:44,500 --> 00:50:47,466 read is so October 30th, 31st, whatever. 1529 00:50:49,666 --> 00:50:50,966 I would hook up an eGPU. 1530 00:50:50,966 --> 00:50:52,866 So here's my whole thing with this. 1531 00:50:53,666 --> 00:50:55,833 I want to replace my desktop computer 1532 00:50:56,599 --> 00:50:58,166 with the handheld that I can 1533 00:50:58,166 --> 00:50:59,400 just plug in wherever I want 1534 00:50:59,733 --> 00:51:02,033 so I can stop having my game 1535 00:51:02,033 --> 00:51:03,933 saves, which is nice with Steam. 1536 00:51:04,133 --> 00:51:04,833 But then I have like 1537 00:51:04,833 --> 00:51:05,766 emulators and other stuff. 1538 00:51:05,766 --> 00:51:06,933 I just I'm tired of 1539 00:51:06,933 --> 00:51:08,533 moving between devices. 1540 00:51:09,166 --> 00:51:11,633 And so I'd use this with an eGPU. 1541 00:51:12,133 --> 00:51:13,433 So this would be like my new computer. 1542 00:51:13,433 --> 00:51:15,033 And I spend usually around 1543 00:51:15,033 --> 00:51:17,166 every three or four years. 1544 00:51:17,166 --> 00:51:18,099 I spend around three 1545 00:51:18,099 --> 00:51:19,300 thousand dollars on a new computer. 1546 00:51:20,166 --> 00:51:22,199 So this for my hobby or whatever. 1547 00:51:22,199 --> 00:51:25,066 So this would be within my price range. 1548 00:51:25,533 --> 00:51:26,966 But honestly, I'd rip out my 3090 1549 00:51:27,766 --> 00:51:31,533 and either put it in my closet or, you 1550 00:51:31,533 --> 00:51:32,866 know, you know, with an eGPU. 1551 00:51:33,333 --> 00:51:34,099 I'd throw it somewhere. 1552 00:51:34,433 --> 00:51:36,633 So this setup makes sense for me. 1553 00:51:37,166 --> 00:51:38,166 But I don't think a lot 1554 00:51:38,166 --> 00:51:39,066 of people would make sense. 1555 00:51:40,733 --> 00:51:41,366 I think the Fox. 1556 00:51:41,766 --> 00:51:43,800 Yeah, the Fox does this right with his 1557 00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:45,633 the Fox does you win? 1558 00:51:46,666 --> 00:51:47,566 Whatever the new one was. 1559 00:51:48,333 --> 00:51:50,033 And he sold me even more on it because it 1560 00:51:50,033 --> 00:51:51,933 runs like he was giving us numbers. 1561 00:51:51,933 --> 00:51:54,233 I was like, damn, that makes sense. 1562 00:51:54,233 --> 00:51:55,166 OK, I want to do that. 1563 00:51:55,933 --> 00:51:56,800 Yeah, I think he was using 1564 00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,266 the Win Max to last night heard. 1565 00:52:00,533 --> 00:52:02,599 And so that one has the control pad, but 1566 00:52:02,599 --> 00:52:04,033 also like the keyboard on board. 1567 00:52:04,566 --> 00:52:05,733 Oh, you switch over to that one. 1568 00:52:06,133 --> 00:52:06,833 I think so. 1569 00:52:07,166 --> 00:52:09,566 Because he was on the GPD when because 1570 00:52:09,566 --> 00:52:10,166 there's a difference 1571 00:52:10,166 --> 00:52:13,433 between the Win Max and the GPD win. 1572 00:52:13,733 --> 00:52:16,466 Yeah, this was naming conventions. 1573 00:52:16,733 --> 00:52:18,166 Yeah, honestly, man. 1574 00:52:19,666 --> 00:52:20,766 Also worth mentioning is 1575 00:52:20,766 --> 00:52:23,000 that the Legion Go Gen 2 1576 00:52:23,766 --> 00:52:24,733 won't have that new 1577 00:52:24,733 --> 00:52:26,333 Xbox experience at launch. 1578 00:52:26,599 --> 00:52:28,633 It'll it'll come later sometime next 1579 00:52:28,633 --> 00:52:29,500 year, I believe it was. 1580 00:52:29,500 --> 00:52:30,833 I don't remember. Yeah. 1581 00:52:31,166 --> 00:52:31,866 But right now it's going 1582 00:52:31,866 --> 00:52:34,133 to be exclusive to the Xbox 1583 00:52:34,599 --> 00:52:37,300 or our G Xbox Ally X. 1584 00:52:38,599 --> 00:52:39,233 I got it. 1585 00:52:39,466 --> 00:52:40,266 That was it. 1586 00:52:40,266 --> 00:52:42,966 Are you Xbox Ally and our G Xbox Ally X? 1587 00:52:42,966 --> 00:52:44,933 No, it's you didn't see the whole thing. 1588 00:52:44,933 --> 00:52:45,966 It is a suit. 1589 00:52:46,333 --> 00:52:47,166 There you go. 1590 00:52:47,866 --> 00:52:50,166 You start Microsoft a suit. 1591 00:52:51,033 --> 00:52:51,433 Yes. 1592 00:52:52,266 --> 00:52:53,033 Ally X. 1593 00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,166 OK, it rolls off the tongue. 1594 00:52:56,666 --> 00:52:58,733 What's stopping someone from just cloning 1595 00:52:58,733 --> 00:52:59,833 that image and then just 1596 00:53:00,666 --> 00:53:01,566 putting on their Legion 1597 00:53:01,566 --> 00:53:03,900 Go Gen 2 or like whatever 1598 00:53:04,066 --> 00:53:04,933 and just having to 1599 00:53:04,933 --> 00:53:05,833 expect to see it early? 1600 00:53:06,333 --> 00:53:07,466 Probably Windows activation. 1601 00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,000 OK, tryers maybe. 1602 00:53:12,866 --> 00:53:15,833 Also, there is no like, you know, some 1603 00:53:15,833 --> 00:53:16,666 people might have expected 1604 00:53:16,766 --> 00:53:18,199 that this would release with 1605 00:53:18,199 --> 00:53:20,966 a Steam OS version or option. 1606 00:53:21,833 --> 00:53:23,533 And I'm sure like it'll be available 1607 00:53:23,533 --> 00:53:24,666 pretty quickly, but we 1608 00:53:24,666 --> 00:53:25,666 don't we don't see that. 1609 00:53:26,466 --> 00:53:28,266 We don't see it marketed at least here. 1610 00:53:29,466 --> 00:53:30,366 I think it would work 1611 00:53:30,366 --> 00:53:33,199 fine with the Steam OS, but 1612 00:53:34,066 --> 00:53:35,566 with some caveats, obviously. 1613 00:53:36,566 --> 00:53:38,666 My kicker is if I can get an 1614 00:53:38,666 --> 00:53:40,033 EGP to work with the Steam OS, 1615 00:53:40,033 --> 00:53:41,466 I'm going to run Steam OS on this thing. 1616 00:53:41,866 --> 00:53:43,400 If I can't, then I'm going to dual boot. 1617 00:53:45,900 --> 00:53:47,366 I really want the EGP. 1618 00:53:47,766 --> 00:53:49,233 Does a hold on. 1619 00:53:49,266 --> 00:53:52,633 Does the Legion Go S, the one that's just 1620 00:53:52,633 --> 00:53:55,099 a whole handheld, does that have USB 4? 1621 00:53:56,599 --> 00:53:58,033 Yes, it does. 1622 00:53:58,366 --> 00:54:00,366 I just haven't looked into seeing what if 1623 00:54:00,366 --> 00:54:01,366 people have tried it because 1624 00:54:02,633 --> 00:54:03,866 I've done videos on the GPU 1625 00:54:03,866 --> 00:54:04,966 stuff, and it does not do well. 1626 00:54:04,966 --> 00:54:05,966 People don't really care. 1627 00:54:05,966 --> 00:54:08,500 I don't think people understand to like 1628 00:54:08,500 --> 00:54:09,833 what you can get from an EGP. 1629 00:54:10,900 --> 00:54:12,766 You know, Gardner has an EGP, Doc. 1630 00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:15,833 Do I? Do you? 1631 00:54:15,833 --> 00:54:16,300 I thought you did. 1632 00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,033 No. Yeah, I thought you did, too. 1633 00:54:19,900 --> 00:54:22,133 Oh, wait, no, I think it's a B-Link Doc. 1634 00:54:22,500 --> 00:54:23,199 That's what he had. 1635 00:54:23,433 --> 00:54:24,866 Oh, yeah. No, that's yeah. 1636 00:54:24,866 --> 00:54:25,666 No, that's a different 1637 00:54:25,666 --> 00:54:27,833 thing because I have a mini PC 1638 00:54:28,166 --> 00:54:29,833 that has like a full 1639 00:54:29,833 --> 00:54:32,966 by 16 PCI Gen 4 in it. 1640 00:54:33,633 --> 00:54:35,366 Yeah, which is it's all 1641 00:54:35,366 --> 00:54:38,166 home beast, but that's a thing. 1642 00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:40,633 Right. Damn. 1643 00:54:43,266 --> 00:54:45,433 I'm going to be I'm moving to right. 1644 00:54:45,433 --> 00:54:45,933 All right. 1645 00:54:45,933 --> 00:54:47,033 When this releases, I 1646 00:54:47,033 --> 00:54:47,933 don't want to spend more money. 1647 00:54:47,966 --> 00:54:49,933 You know, I'm so tempted to get it. 1648 00:54:50,366 --> 00:54:52,733 You know, the Fox has an EGP doc 1649 00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,566 and probably one of those Legion Go S's. 1650 00:54:56,633 --> 00:54:58,699 With the most on it, he does. 1651 00:54:58,699 --> 00:55:00,666 We have should we have him try it? 1652 00:55:00,933 --> 00:55:01,833 Oh, you're just trying 1653 00:55:01,833 --> 00:55:02,833 to find out if it works. 1654 00:55:02,833 --> 00:55:04,533 Yeah, yes. Yeah. 1655 00:55:05,233 --> 00:55:06,133 I really don't think 1656 00:55:06,133 --> 00:55:07,433 you should work on this. 1657 00:55:07,433 --> 00:55:09,333 You can ask them during the you can ask 1658 00:55:09,333 --> 00:55:10,033 them during the next 1659 00:55:10,666 --> 00:55:11,633 Nerd Nest podcast. 1660 00:55:12,366 --> 00:55:13,666 I'll ask them for sure. 1661 00:55:14,233 --> 00:55:16,333 Appreciate it. You know, yeah. 1662 00:55:17,366 --> 00:55:18,366 Special requests. 1663 00:55:19,099 --> 00:55:19,733 By the way, you 1664 00:55:19,733 --> 00:55:20,866 mentioned ergonomics, James, 1665 00:55:20,866 --> 00:55:23,133 and I watched the PC 1666 00:55:23,133 --> 00:55:25,599 World video about Legion Go 2. 1667 00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:26,166 It was a good video. 1668 00:55:27,166 --> 00:55:28,733 And yeah, he he says it's 1669 00:55:28,733 --> 00:55:30,166 a it feels a lot better. 1670 00:55:30,166 --> 00:55:31,033 And you can actually 1671 00:55:31,033 --> 00:55:34,333 like plug in the new Joy-Con 1672 00:55:34,366 --> 00:55:35,533 true strike controller on 1673 00:55:35,533 --> 00:55:37,566 one side, plug in the old one 1674 00:55:37,966 --> 00:55:39,266 on the other side and it works. 1675 00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:40,566 So that was pretty interesting. 1676 00:55:40,866 --> 00:55:42,433 But you and then in that way, you could 1677 00:55:42,433 --> 00:55:43,733 feel at the same time 1678 00:55:43,866 --> 00:55:45,366 like how the new one feels 1679 00:55:45,366 --> 00:55:46,699 versus how the old one feels. 1680 00:55:46,699 --> 00:55:48,366 And he said it's it's a big difference. 1681 00:55:50,833 --> 00:55:51,966 Yeah, no, it definitely that's 1682 00:55:51,966 --> 00:55:53,099 my biggest here with the well, 1683 00:55:53,333 --> 00:55:56,133 that and the drivers so like and the 1684 00:55:56,133 --> 00:55:58,166 price is secondary for me. 1685 00:55:58,366 --> 00:55:59,300 Like we'll we'll see. 1686 00:56:00,566 --> 00:56:02,599 I just really want to like I have a lead. 1687 00:56:02,599 --> 00:56:05,733 I have a sorry, an ally that has the 1688 00:56:05,733 --> 00:56:06,833 proprietary hookups. 1689 00:56:06,833 --> 00:56:07,566 I haven't been able to I 1690 00:56:07,566 --> 00:56:08,866 would be doing it with this. 1691 00:56:09,866 --> 00:56:12,866 I'm doing an EGPU and I just don't have a 1692 00:56:12,866 --> 00:56:13,933 device that doesn't EGPU 1693 00:56:14,166 --> 00:56:15,233 supports EGPU. 1694 00:56:17,633 --> 00:56:21,266 Yeah, so prices, secondary ergonomics, 1695 00:56:21,266 --> 00:56:23,133 and what it can do is this person some 1696 00:56:23,133 --> 00:56:24,300 good content would come from it, 1697 00:56:24,300 --> 00:56:24,933 I think, too. 1698 00:56:25,833 --> 00:56:28,166 But man, those drivers, I don't know. 1699 00:56:28,466 --> 00:56:29,333 High tech. We've talked 1700 00:56:29,333 --> 00:56:30,366 about this before, but. 1701 00:56:31,633 --> 00:56:33,400 Do you have to have the driver's gotten 1702 00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:34,333 better on the Legion Go 1703 00:56:34,333 --> 00:56:35,966 because they were so garbage for me. 1704 00:56:36,666 --> 00:56:38,033 I think they have gotten better, 1705 00:56:39,333 --> 00:56:40,466 but that doesn't that's not 1706 00:56:40,466 --> 00:56:43,466 but like that may not guarantee 1707 00:56:43,633 --> 00:56:45,733 that the drivers will be good at launch 1708 00:56:45,733 --> 00:56:47,300 for the Legion Go, too. 1709 00:56:47,833 --> 00:56:48,533 But I would imagine 1710 00:56:48,533 --> 00:56:49,599 they've gotten a little better. 1711 00:56:49,900 --> 00:56:51,733 I mean, now they now they're an 1712 00:56:51,733 --> 00:56:53,166 experienced player in the space. 1713 00:56:54,866 --> 00:56:56,866 The Legion space, no pun intended. 1714 00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,166 Yeah, I'm really hoping that they really 1715 00:56:59,166 --> 00:57:00,833 just redid everything because it was. 1716 00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,366 Oh, yeah. Yeah, they also slow, totally 1717 00:57:04,366 --> 00:57:05,866 overhauled Legion space. 1718 00:57:06,633 --> 00:57:07,966 It doesn't suck as bad anymore. 1719 00:57:11,233 --> 00:57:12,233 I think I always had that. 1720 00:57:13,033 --> 00:57:15,599 Interesting. The little port there. 1721 00:57:15,933 --> 00:57:17,433 I don't know about, you know, I don't 1722 00:57:17,433 --> 00:57:19,233 think the original one had that. 1723 00:57:19,233 --> 00:57:19,866 But what port? 1724 00:57:21,033 --> 00:57:23,066 I think that no original 1725 00:57:23,066 --> 00:57:24,633 doesn't have a type C port. 1726 00:57:24,633 --> 00:57:25,699 That looks like a type C port. 1727 00:57:25,933 --> 00:57:26,633 It looks like a C. 1728 00:57:27,366 --> 00:57:28,766 Maybe you can like charge externally. 1729 00:57:29,533 --> 00:57:30,199 That's interesting. 1730 00:57:30,199 --> 00:57:31,166 That's what I'm thinking, too. 1731 00:57:33,199 --> 00:57:33,966 That's interesting. 1732 00:57:35,233 --> 00:57:36,666 Maybe like they'll have like a 1733 00:57:36,666 --> 00:57:39,233 controller like battery thing. 1734 00:57:39,599 --> 00:57:41,266 Ports down there. What is that? 1735 00:57:41,866 --> 00:57:43,733 That's optical. This is the right. 1736 00:57:44,300 --> 00:57:45,400 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 1737 00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,966 Optical. OK. Right. 1738 00:57:47,966 --> 00:57:49,066 Yeah, I remember. 1739 00:57:49,933 --> 00:57:51,500 Oh, my gosh, that reminds me when 1740 00:57:51,500 --> 00:57:53,633 remember when the Legion Go leaked 1741 00:57:54,466 --> 00:57:56,466 and like the first Legion Go leaked and 1742 00:57:56,466 --> 00:57:58,066 no one was that bottom thing was. 1743 00:57:58,066 --> 00:57:59,000 And I was like, dude, 1744 00:57:59,000 --> 00:57:59,966 that's totally a mouth answer. 1745 00:58:00,466 --> 00:58:02,266 And then I guessed it. 1746 00:58:02,266 --> 00:58:03,333 And I guessed it right. 1747 00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:04,866 No one else guessed it for some reason. 1748 00:58:05,366 --> 00:58:05,833 No one I know. 1749 00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:10,900 Well, I. Yeah, I'm not going 1750 00:58:10,900 --> 00:58:11,666 to give you credit for that. 1751 00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:13,933 Well, I didn't see it. 1752 00:58:14,866 --> 00:58:15,566 I'm missing. 1753 00:58:17,300 --> 00:58:19,033 Yeah, so this is the Legion Go, too. 1754 00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,033 It's one of those things where 1755 00:58:22,266 --> 00:58:23,733 I don't think it's going to do overly 1756 00:58:23,733 --> 00:58:24,566 well, because I think 1757 00:58:24,566 --> 00:58:25,766 it's priced too high. 1758 00:58:25,766 --> 00:58:26,833 And in today's and in 1759 00:58:26,833 --> 00:58:28,266 the economy right now, 1760 00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,566 we'll see. It's interesting for me, 1761 00:58:32,366 --> 00:58:33,400 but it might even be 1762 00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:34,333 priced too high for me. 1763 00:58:34,566 --> 00:58:36,166 So I was kind of hoping that 1764 00:58:36,166 --> 00:58:37,133 this would be more like 1100. 1765 00:58:37,699 --> 00:58:39,566 But for this version, 1766 00:58:40,533 --> 00:58:42,333 now, Lenovo emailed you and 1767 00:58:42,333 --> 00:58:43,766 wanted you to review, would you? 1768 00:58:43,766 --> 00:58:45,466 I said 100 percent, 100 percent. 1769 00:58:46,033 --> 00:58:46,766 I think anyone would. 1770 00:58:47,666 --> 00:58:48,566 Also, because I'm 1771 00:58:48,566 --> 00:58:50,266 really excited about it. 1772 00:58:50,833 --> 00:58:52,166 Maybe I need to reach out to them for 1773 00:58:52,166 --> 00:58:53,733 once and not sit on my. 1774 00:58:54,233 --> 00:58:57,266 Yeah. I hope the Steam Deck 2 has a very 1775 00:58:57,666 --> 00:58:59,033 more refresh rate, but that probably be 1776 00:58:59,033 --> 00:59:00,366 too much to ask for. 1777 00:59:02,433 --> 00:59:04,166 I guess it becomes more standardized and 1778 00:59:04,166 --> 00:59:05,733 because the Steam Deck has been rumored. 1779 00:59:05,733 --> 00:59:06,199 I don't know if you guys 1780 00:59:06,199 --> 00:59:07,333 talked about this last week, 1781 00:59:07,433 --> 00:59:08,933 but it's been rumored to 1782 00:59:08,933 --> 00:59:10,699 be coming around 2028 now. 1783 00:59:11,199 --> 00:59:13,500 But no, we didn't talk about that, sadly. 1784 00:59:15,366 --> 00:59:17,366 Yeah, it's rumors once again. 1785 00:59:17,633 --> 00:59:19,566 If we had if we talked about rumors every 1786 00:59:19,566 --> 00:59:21,633 week on a lot of stuff in Steam Deck, 1787 00:59:22,366 --> 00:59:24,633 that'd be people get bored, I think. 1788 00:59:24,699 --> 00:59:27,133 But there's some strong 1789 00:59:27,133 --> 00:59:29,199 rumors that it's 2027 or 2028, 1790 00:59:29,233 --> 00:59:31,199 which would give it plenty of time for 1791 00:59:31,199 --> 00:59:32,466 the tech like the OLED tech 1792 00:59:32,833 --> 00:59:34,366 to catch up to the something like that. 1793 00:59:34,366 --> 00:59:41,666 Yeah, man. So the Legion go to. 1794 00:59:42,133 --> 00:59:43,599 And I haven't seen Silksong run this 1795 00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:44,866 thing yet, so I don't 1796 00:59:44,866 --> 00:59:46,066 know if it's real or not. 1797 00:59:47,566 --> 00:59:49,166 Not until you see Silksong run. 1798 00:59:50,900 --> 00:59:53,900 Oh, oh, Silksong. 1799 00:59:54,266 --> 00:59:57,800 So considering the only person here that 1800 00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:59,166 has played it is rich. 1801 01:00:01,166 --> 01:00:03,699 I am still still disappointed in high 1802 01:00:03,699 --> 01:00:06,366 tech, but that's what it's worth me for. 1803 01:00:06,366 --> 01:00:09,300 You said you were going to get it to me. 1804 01:00:09,566 --> 01:00:10,533 Yeah, I am Gardner. 1805 01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:12,633 Dude, the whole the whole time we were 1806 01:00:12,633 --> 01:00:14,266 watching the game awards high tech, 1807 01:00:14,266 --> 01:00:15,033 you were like, it's 1808 01:00:15,033 --> 01:00:16,333 Silksong. It's Silksong. 1809 01:00:16,666 --> 01:00:18,133 Yeah, yeah. 1810 01:00:20,333 --> 01:00:21,500 If I didn't get Half Life 1811 01:00:21,500 --> 01:00:22,733 3 when it first came out, 1812 01:00:23,266 --> 01:00:25,066 I would be giving myself crap, too. 1813 01:00:25,333 --> 01:00:26,266 So don't worry, I'd 1814 01:00:26,266 --> 01:00:28,466 also expect it to that. 1815 01:00:30,733 --> 01:00:33,300 No, this is it released. 1816 01:00:33,300 --> 01:00:33,933 It came out finally. 1817 01:00:33,933 --> 01:00:36,000 It is doing very well. 1818 01:00:37,666 --> 01:00:39,633 We can see right here that Hollow Knight, 1819 01:00:39,633 --> 01:00:41,933 Silksong flies past 550000 1820 01:00:41,933 --> 01:00:43,766 players just hours after launch. 1821 01:00:44,433 --> 01:00:45,500 Like it is. 1822 01:00:46,366 --> 01:00:48,133 This is killing it. 1823 01:00:48,133 --> 01:00:48,833 Oh, I think that I think 1824 01:00:48,833 --> 01:00:49,866 it's been exceeded, too. 1825 01:00:50,266 --> 01:00:51,500 I'm sure it has. 1826 01:00:52,633 --> 01:00:54,466 And well, in the weekend, I'm sure is 1827 01:00:54,466 --> 01:00:56,266 going to help it get even higher. 1828 01:00:57,766 --> 01:00:59,566 And it's at it's I think partially 1829 01:00:59,566 --> 01:01:00,333 because it's twenty dollars. 1830 01:01:00,533 --> 01:01:01,933 I really think it's affordable and people 1831 01:01:01,933 --> 01:01:03,099 can afford this right now. 1832 01:01:03,666 --> 01:01:06,366 Yeah, I think that's a huge factor. 1833 01:01:06,733 --> 01:01:08,633 Yeah, no, I was just saying, I think 1834 01:01:08,633 --> 01:01:09,900 that's a huge factor. Right. 1835 01:01:11,066 --> 01:01:15,033 The that price just made it like even if 1836 01:01:15,033 --> 01:01:16,933 you were that interested in Silksong, 1837 01:01:17,266 --> 01:01:18,333 it just made it like a no-brainer. 1838 01:01:18,366 --> 01:01:19,866 Right. Like for a lot of people like 1839 01:01:19,866 --> 01:01:22,433 that, this like zeitgeist feeling. 1840 01:01:22,633 --> 01:01:24,433 A lot of people want to play at the same 1841 01:01:24,433 --> 01:01:25,566 time as other people and be part 1842 01:01:25,566 --> 01:01:26,333 of the conversation, 1843 01:01:26,333 --> 01:01:28,533 especially with not having review code. 1844 01:01:28,533 --> 01:01:30,333 So literally everybody is having the same 1845 01:01:30,333 --> 01:01:31,800 conversation at the same time. 1846 01:01:32,866 --> 01:01:36,266 And so the twenty dollar price barrier 1847 01:01:36,533 --> 01:01:37,566 that just made it really 1848 01:01:37,566 --> 01:01:38,733 easy for a lot of folks. 1849 01:01:39,699 --> 01:01:43,400 I've even seen some indie devs 1850 01:01:44,233 --> 01:01:46,199 kind of like, oh, that not 1851 01:01:46,199 --> 01:01:47,866 that it sucks, but like, oh, now 1852 01:01:47,933 --> 01:01:48,800 that makes it harder 1853 01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:50,133 for me to price my game. 1854 01:01:50,133 --> 01:01:52,266 I was planning on making a game that was 1855 01:01:52,266 --> 01:01:53,766 a Metroidvania that was twenty dollars, 1856 01:01:53,766 --> 01:01:55,566 but it's clearly not as good 1857 01:01:55,566 --> 01:01:58,900 or as much value as Silksong. 1858 01:02:00,333 --> 01:02:01,400 And that's a that's a 1859 01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:03,400 difficult situation to be in. 1860 01:02:03,633 --> 01:02:05,533 So it really is. 1861 01:02:07,166 --> 01:02:09,833 Also worth mentioning is that we didn't 1862 01:02:09,833 --> 01:02:10,800 talk about this last week, 1863 01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:13,199 but sometime I believe last week, Valve 1864 01:02:13,199 --> 01:02:14,833 made a change to reviews 1865 01:02:15,366 --> 01:02:16,133 where you only see 1866 01:02:16,133 --> 01:02:17,166 reviews in your own language. 1867 01:02:17,433 --> 01:02:19,133 And the English reviews 1868 01:02:19,133 --> 01:02:20,533 are 94 percent positive. 1869 01:02:20,533 --> 01:02:21,333 But if you look at language 1870 01:02:21,333 --> 01:02:22,966 reviews in other languages, 1871 01:02:23,199 --> 01:02:23,933 they're all generally 1872 01:02:23,933 --> 01:02:26,066 positive except for Chinese. 1873 01:02:26,366 --> 01:02:27,633 Look at the language breakdown. 1874 01:02:28,733 --> 01:02:33,166 Click on press X on that, James. 1875 01:02:35,199 --> 01:02:37,300 Yeah, see, it's simplified. 1876 01:02:37,566 --> 01:02:38,166 Chinese is mixed. 1877 01:02:38,433 --> 01:02:40,366 And that's I just wanted to mention that 1878 01:02:40,366 --> 01:02:41,533 because I thought it was really funny. 1879 01:02:43,366 --> 01:02:45,033 Because the translation apparently isn't 1880 01:02:45,033 --> 01:02:46,333 very good, supposedly. 1881 01:02:47,333 --> 01:02:48,133 Can't read it for us. 1882 01:02:48,133 --> 01:02:48,699 I want to know what they're 1883 01:02:48,699 --> 01:02:49,933 saying if they don't like it. 1884 01:02:50,199 --> 01:02:51,966 Sorry, dude, I'm not that kind of Asian. 1885 01:02:54,466 --> 01:02:56,433 Wow, I wasn't trying to. 1886 01:02:57,266 --> 01:02:57,966 I got called out. 1887 01:02:58,699 --> 01:02:59,466 You got me back. 1888 01:02:59,866 --> 01:03:00,666 Wait, you're Asian? 1889 01:03:03,466 --> 01:03:04,400 I thought you were animated. 1890 01:03:06,133 --> 01:03:07,033 The same thing. 1891 01:03:07,566 --> 01:03:08,000 All right. 1892 01:03:09,466 --> 01:03:12,166 But like, but like, yeah, 1893 01:03:12,500 --> 01:03:13,333 Silksong is interesting. 1894 01:03:14,566 --> 01:03:17,166 I'm not sure if Silksong actually took 1895 01:03:17,166 --> 01:03:20,133 down the took down steam or the shop, 1896 01:03:20,166 --> 01:03:21,666 but it seems like it did. 1897 01:03:22,333 --> 01:03:22,833 At least that's what 1898 01:03:22,833 --> 01:03:23,733 these articles are implying. 1899 01:03:24,466 --> 01:03:24,933 Yeah, that's what 1900 01:03:24,933 --> 01:03:26,233 everyone I've seen is reporting. 1901 01:03:26,633 --> 01:03:29,266 I don't know if it's confirmed, though. 1902 01:03:30,900 --> 01:03:31,533 Yeah, especially since 1903 01:03:31,533 --> 01:03:33,233 Blackman's Wukong has like 1904 01:03:34,233 --> 01:03:35,466 especially since like Blackman's Wukong 1905 01:03:35,466 --> 01:03:38,033 had like two million concurrent players 1906 01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:39,433 and it didn't crash 1907 01:03:39,433 --> 01:03:40,699 steam that day, right? 1908 01:03:41,199 --> 01:03:44,566 So it had there were problems on steam. 1909 01:03:44,566 --> 01:03:45,833 They were very, very 1910 01:03:45,833 --> 01:03:47,933 minor, at least anecdotally. 1911 01:03:48,166 --> 01:03:52,599 Right. Where one, I went to some game 1912 01:03:52,599 --> 01:03:55,733 page and it did not like steam was down. 1913 01:03:55,733 --> 01:03:57,033 But I refreshed and it was back. 1914 01:03:57,033 --> 01:03:58,566 Right. And you can go to like steam staff 1915 01:03:58,566 --> 01:04:00,533 that US and you can see at the time 1916 01:04:00,533 --> 01:04:02,699 that like reports were a little bit up, 1917 01:04:03,099 --> 01:04:05,233 but it was literally like one refresh 1918 01:04:05,233 --> 01:04:07,233 and it was gone. That said, when I went 1919 01:04:07,233 --> 01:04:09,500 to buy Silksong, I had to process. 1920 01:04:09,533 --> 01:04:11,866 I had to try to do it like 10 times 1921 01:04:11,866 --> 01:04:12,866 before it went through. 1922 01:04:13,533 --> 01:04:16,433 That's crazy. Yeah. Wow, that is crazy. 1923 01:04:16,866 --> 01:04:18,733 No. So. And I. 1924 01:04:18,733 --> 01:04:21,166 I think they also sold out of steam keys 1925 01:04:21,166 --> 01:04:23,733 on humble as well, because I believe. 1926 01:04:23,733 --> 01:04:24,833 Yes, I was working on 1927 01:04:24,833 --> 01:04:26,666 my video and I went to go 1928 01:04:27,599 --> 01:04:29,533 like get the affiliate link from humble. 1929 01:04:30,366 --> 01:04:32,233 And the only one that was available was 1930 01:04:32,233 --> 01:04:34,733 the the eShop, the Nintendo version. 1931 01:04:35,500 --> 01:04:37,133 So yeah, like that. 1932 01:04:37,466 --> 01:04:39,866 I would suspect, honestly, that Valve has 1933 01:04:39,866 --> 01:04:42,533 like different tiers for like 1934 01:04:43,666 --> 01:04:45,400 like indie games versus AAA. 1935 01:04:45,966 --> 01:04:47,133 And I don't think that 1936 01:04:47,133 --> 01:04:48,900 they're like indie game, 1937 01:04:49,066 --> 01:04:51,566 like infrastructure was anticipating that 1938 01:04:51,566 --> 01:04:53,400 much of a load for this. 1939 01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:56,566 Yeah, load balancing and stuff like that 1940 01:04:56,566 --> 01:04:58,266 probably was not expecting. 1941 01:04:58,500 --> 01:04:59,533 They were not planned. 1942 01:05:01,233 --> 01:05:02,933 I just want to say I translated this kind 1943 01:05:02,933 --> 01:05:03,933 of cool thing that can do. 1944 01:05:03,933 --> 01:05:04,933 You can screenshot and 1945 01:05:04,933 --> 01:05:05,933 then just auto translate. 1946 01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:09,066 Is it fun? That's all this is. 1947 01:05:09,266 --> 01:05:11,333 Is it? Is it fun? 1948 01:05:12,033 --> 01:05:13,666 Thirteen hours down. 1949 01:05:14,433 --> 01:05:15,033 Is it fun? 1950 01:05:15,666 --> 01:05:18,033 Wait, so they played 13 hours 1951 01:05:18,033 --> 01:05:19,199 and they asked the question. 1952 01:05:19,199 --> 01:05:20,833 Is it fun while downloading it? 1953 01:05:21,233 --> 01:05:22,766 Yeah, I think that to mean 1954 01:05:22,766 --> 01:05:23,933 they don't think it's fun. 1955 01:05:24,599 --> 01:05:25,133 Yeah, I know. 1956 01:05:25,500 --> 01:05:26,199 Two. Yeah. 1957 01:05:26,466 --> 01:05:27,333 But it's still kind of funny. 1958 01:05:27,766 --> 01:05:28,766 It is. Yeah. 1959 01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:29,633 What's this one that 1960 01:05:29,633 --> 01:05:31,800 says booze, MD and booze? 1961 01:05:32,233 --> 01:05:33,166 That's the only word I can read. 1962 01:05:34,266 --> 01:05:35,633 That's the only word I can read. 1963 01:05:38,533 --> 01:05:39,766 I'm going to translate it for you guys. 1964 01:05:40,466 --> 01:05:41,333 You guys can continue 1965 01:05:41,333 --> 01:05:43,066 talking and I'll figure this out. 1966 01:05:43,366 --> 01:05:43,933 Now we're waiting. 1967 01:05:44,666 --> 01:05:47,266 We got to know what the mystery is. 1968 01:05:48,633 --> 01:05:50,500 Are they are they so scared of silk song? 1969 01:05:51,966 --> 01:05:52,633 Is it scary? 1970 01:05:53,500 --> 01:05:53,699 Probably. 1971 01:05:54,433 --> 01:05:55,533 Is it not going to work? 1972 01:05:57,266 --> 01:05:59,366 It's the usually you can 1973 01:05:59,366 --> 01:06:01,333 highlight the text and stuff, 1974 01:06:01,333 --> 01:06:02,733 but this time it's not working. 1975 01:06:03,533 --> 01:06:04,400 Is it because of the 1976 01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:05,666 English text in there? 1977 01:06:06,133 --> 01:06:07,533 It could be confusing it. Yeah. 1978 01:06:08,633 --> 01:06:09,666 That's crazy, man. 1979 01:06:10,433 --> 01:06:11,966 I will say silk song is hard. 1980 01:06:12,633 --> 01:06:13,800 It's like pretty like 1981 01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:15,266 Hollow Knight was hard, right? 1982 01:06:15,266 --> 01:06:16,233 But like silk song kind 1983 01:06:16,233 --> 01:06:18,633 of takes it a level up. 1984 01:06:19,366 --> 01:06:20,599 So I was curious. 1985 01:06:20,666 --> 01:06:21,933 It's good to see that like people are 1986 01:06:21,933 --> 01:06:25,533 still in English 94 percent positive 1987 01:06:25,533 --> 01:06:27,033 because I was curious like, is this going 1988 01:06:27,033 --> 01:06:28,433 to be too much for some folks? 1989 01:06:28,433 --> 01:06:29,066 But thankfully not. 1990 01:06:30,733 --> 01:06:31,833 Let's probably just it was 1991 01:06:31,833 --> 01:06:33,699 probably easy to go back in like 1992 01:06:34,033 --> 01:06:35,000 rechallenge whatever 1993 01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:36,466 this he died to immediately. 1994 01:06:36,966 --> 01:06:38,166 It's like how Celeste 1995 01:06:38,166 --> 01:06:39,566 like you're either racking up 1996 01:06:39,566 --> 01:06:40,166 thousands and 1997 01:06:40,166 --> 01:06:41,933 thousands of deaths, but like. 1998 01:06:43,533 --> 01:06:45,066 You like you start at the beginning of 1999 01:06:45,066 --> 01:06:46,133 the room that you died in. 2000 01:06:46,133 --> 01:06:48,133 So like, yeah, it's no big deal that he 2001 01:06:48,133 --> 01:06:49,133 died a thousand times. 2002 01:06:49,666 --> 01:06:50,666 Mentally, it's a 2003 01:06:50,666 --> 01:06:52,133 little bit of a big deal. 2004 01:06:52,133 --> 01:06:53,500 But once you get past that, right, 2005 01:06:53,500 --> 01:06:54,199 because like number 2006 01:06:54,199 --> 01:06:55,633 one, you lose your souls. 2007 01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:57,366 Right. Oh, right. 2008 01:06:58,766 --> 01:06:59,633 So you want to at least 2009 01:06:59,633 --> 01:07:01,033 get back and get this stuff. 2010 01:07:01,300 --> 01:07:02,333 And then like Demon's 2011 01:07:02,333 --> 01:07:04,166 Souls, there is usually like a 2012 01:07:05,466 --> 01:07:08,099 trek, not a not necessarily a long trek, 2013 01:07:08,099 --> 01:07:08,933 but you have to make it 2014 01:07:08,933 --> 01:07:09,933 back to where you were. 2015 01:07:11,366 --> 01:07:12,633 And if you like, if you've 2016 01:07:12,633 --> 01:07:14,033 been if you're in a new area, 2017 01:07:14,033 --> 01:07:16,900 you don't have the map, for example, and 2018 01:07:16,900 --> 01:07:18,366 you haven't saved in a while, 2019 01:07:18,366 --> 01:07:19,266 it can be a bit of a pain. 2020 01:07:22,066 --> 01:07:24,066 I remember when I got this in the mail. 2021 01:07:24,966 --> 01:07:26,333 Look at that. Is that it's 2022 01:07:26,333 --> 01:07:28,033 a box copy of Hollow Knight. 2023 01:07:28,366 --> 01:07:29,133 That's sick. 2024 01:07:29,599 --> 01:07:31,233 What's it come with? Steel case? 2025 01:07:31,933 --> 01:07:34,333 No, it came with like 2026 01:07:34,333 --> 01:07:37,300 a DVD or CD style case. 2027 01:07:38,199 --> 01:07:40,733 And it also came with this thing, which I 2028 01:07:40,733 --> 01:07:41,800 think you guys will appreciate. 2029 01:07:43,266 --> 01:07:46,133 It's a grub. Oh, that's nice. 2030 01:07:46,566 --> 01:07:47,699 That's cute. Yeah. 2031 01:07:48,033 --> 01:07:49,133 And I leave it in here because I don't 2032 01:07:49,133 --> 01:07:51,300 want it to get all dusty. Yeah. 2033 01:07:52,066 --> 01:07:52,366 But yeah. 2034 01:07:53,533 --> 01:07:54,733 So that was for the PC 2035 01:07:54,733 --> 01:07:55,800 copy of Hollow Knight. 2036 01:07:56,133 --> 01:07:57,866 Yeah, it was from the Indie box. 2037 01:07:57,900 --> 01:07:59,033 Do you guys remember Indie box? 2038 01:08:00,099 --> 01:08:01,500 Not really. Not really. 2039 01:08:01,766 --> 01:08:03,566 Do you know it was it 2040 01:08:03,566 --> 01:08:05,000 was cool. That's sick. 2041 01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:07,766 They don't. It was like the prototype of. 2042 01:08:08,766 --> 01:08:09,900 What's the what's the one now? 2043 01:08:10,566 --> 01:08:12,766 Like limited run games. Right. Right. 2044 01:08:13,066 --> 01:08:14,099 But they had they had a 2045 01:08:14,099 --> 01:08:15,233 bunch of feelings in it. 2046 01:08:15,599 --> 01:08:18,266 And so I'm a huge Hollow Knight fan. 2047 01:08:19,166 --> 01:08:20,366 And I really want to play it. 2048 01:08:20,366 --> 01:08:21,366 I just haven't had time yet. 2049 01:08:21,933 --> 01:08:23,166 I wonder if they have anything like that 2050 01:08:23,166 --> 01:08:24,233 for Silksong, though. 2051 01:08:24,899 --> 01:08:25,733 I doubt it. 2052 01:08:26,633 --> 01:08:28,233 Not not yet anyway. 2053 01:08:29,133 --> 01:08:30,533 Fair enough. They were too busy 2054 01:08:30,533 --> 01:08:31,699 developing the game and not 2055 01:08:31,699 --> 01:08:33,033 doing any of the marketing. 2056 01:08:33,766 --> 01:08:34,100 Mm hmm. 2057 01:08:34,633 --> 01:08:36,133 They were building hype for marketing. 2058 01:08:36,133 --> 01:08:37,266 That's that's really what it was. 2059 01:08:37,966 --> 01:08:39,233 They had the most powerful. 2060 01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:41,233 They had the most powerful 2061 01:08:41,233 --> 01:08:43,166 marketing campaign since like 2062 01:08:43,666 --> 01:08:45,266 Zack's night, the Snyder Cut. 2063 01:08:45,466 --> 01:08:47,066 You guys remember that? Oh, yeah. 2064 01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:51,566 The people were like harassing like the 2065 01:08:51,566 --> 01:08:53,600 chat like we're Silksong. 2066 01:08:54,766 --> 01:08:56,733 Yeah, that that was insane. 2067 01:08:56,733 --> 01:08:59,833 Just no matter what Nintendo Direct state 2068 01:08:59,833 --> 01:09:01,533 of play, Xbox, whatever. 2069 01:09:01,533 --> 01:09:03,433 Just like Silksong, Silksong, Silksong. 2070 01:09:04,333 --> 01:09:05,466 And I did see I forgot 2071 01:09:05,466 --> 01:09:07,166 which which YouTube was, 2072 01:09:07,166 --> 01:09:08,833 but I did see like a cartoon 2073 01:09:08,833 --> 01:09:10,033 or a short or something like, 2074 01:09:10,033 --> 01:09:10,933 what is the game we're 2075 01:09:10,933 --> 01:09:11,766 going to talk about now? 2076 01:09:12,066 --> 01:09:16,066 Now that like Silksong's out half way. 2077 01:09:16,833 --> 01:09:17,766 That's true. It's going 2078 01:09:17,766 --> 01:09:18,566 to be half life three. 2079 01:09:19,699 --> 01:09:20,133 They're going to go 2080 01:09:20,133 --> 01:09:21,233 back to half life three. 2081 01:09:21,633 --> 01:09:22,399 It's going to be even 2082 01:09:22,399 --> 01:09:24,433 longer wait than Silksong. Yeah. 2083 01:09:25,366 --> 01:09:26,866 I know. We'll see. Steam frame. 2084 01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:31,699 But like. Yeah, man. 2085 01:09:32,266 --> 01:09:34,466 I mean, so songs out. 2086 01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:36,933 It's here and it's actually in the game. 2087 01:09:36,933 --> 01:09:37,966 People are actually hyped up for. 2088 01:09:38,500 --> 01:09:39,899 Imagine how catastrophic it would have 2089 01:09:39,899 --> 01:09:41,199 been if Silksong sucked. 2090 01:09:43,500 --> 01:09:45,533 Yeah, like obviously it doesn't suck. 2091 01:09:46,300 --> 01:09:47,666 But just imagine that 2092 01:09:47,666 --> 01:09:48,266 would have been wild. 2093 01:09:48,500 --> 01:09:49,199 That would have been like 2094 01:09:49,199 --> 01:09:50,500 Duke Nukem, Duke Nukem Forever. 2095 01:09:52,533 --> 01:09:53,866 Yeah, people are very 2096 01:09:53,866 --> 01:09:54,933 upset about that one. 2097 01:09:55,399 --> 01:09:58,266 So I do not do well 2098 01:09:58,266 --> 01:09:58,966 with that type of pressure. 2099 01:09:58,966 --> 01:10:00,000 I would not be the developers. 2100 01:10:00,266 --> 01:10:01,100 Honestly, how long 2101 01:10:01,100 --> 01:10:01,866 they took and everything. 2102 01:10:01,866 --> 01:10:04,166 It's probably would be me because if I 2103 01:10:04,166 --> 01:10:05,066 hit too much of a success, 2104 01:10:05,333 --> 01:10:08,333 then I might even be done trying to 2105 01:10:08,333 --> 01:10:10,100 release something like that 2106 01:10:10,100 --> 01:10:11,199 would give me too much anxiety. 2107 01:10:11,566 --> 01:10:13,366 Wasn't it like Phil Fish or whatever who 2108 01:10:13,366 --> 01:10:14,233 like noped out of the 2109 01:10:14,233 --> 01:10:15,166 game as industry after? 2110 01:10:16,133 --> 01:10:18,233 Yeah, he canceled Fez to. 2111 01:10:18,300 --> 01:10:19,033 Yeah, but people were 2112 01:10:19,033 --> 01:10:20,733 really toxic, to be honest. 2113 01:10:21,333 --> 01:10:23,166 But Phil Fish is also kind of mean to. 2114 01:10:24,666 --> 01:10:28,666 Yeah, he he he was, but I do think I 2115 01:10:28,666 --> 01:10:30,333 mean, I find that for some reason, 2116 01:10:30,333 --> 01:10:32,866 that whole Phil Fish saga is fascinating. 2117 01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:38,066 I think, yeah, like if he had just not 2118 01:10:38,066 --> 01:10:39,300 been in the public and just, 2119 01:10:39,300 --> 01:10:41,566 you know, made his games like it would 2120 01:10:41,566 --> 01:10:42,666 have been better for everybody. 2121 01:10:42,666 --> 01:10:45,966 But I think everybody was was both Phil 2122 01:10:45,966 --> 01:10:47,066 Fish and people 2123 01:10:47,066 --> 01:10:48,699 against them were very toxic. 2124 01:10:49,733 --> 01:10:50,966 That was kind of sad, too, because I 2125 01:10:50,966 --> 01:10:52,100 actually really liked Fez. 2126 01:10:52,933 --> 01:10:56,466 Me too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 2127 01:10:56,466 --> 01:10:58,566 Yeah, you guys, you 2128 01:10:58,566 --> 01:10:59,433 know who I don't like? 2129 01:11:00,566 --> 01:11:01,766 Oh, Google. 2130 01:11:04,066 --> 01:11:04,633 Well done. 2131 01:11:07,399 --> 01:11:10,933 Google, man, the Google versus USA. 2132 01:11:12,733 --> 01:11:14,033 Google is a monopoly, but 2133 01:11:14,033 --> 01:11:15,233 we'll continue to stay as one. 2134 01:11:16,233 --> 01:11:18,399 Well, this is crazy. 2135 01:11:19,133 --> 01:11:19,433 High tech. 2136 01:11:20,133 --> 01:11:20,666 Do you have some 2137 01:11:20,666 --> 01:11:21,566 stuff for us on this one? 2138 01:11:22,300 --> 01:11:23,933 Yes, so it's I mean, 2139 01:11:24,433 --> 01:11:27,866 Judge Ahmed Mehta a couple of months ago 2140 01:11:27,866 --> 01:11:29,533 determined that I think maybe 2141 01:11:29,533 --> 01:11:31,166 even a few years ago, determined that 2142 01:11:31,166 --> 01:11:32,566 Google was a monopoly. 2143 01:11:33,666 --> 01:11:34,466 Like it even says in 2144 01:11:34,466 --> 01:11:35,566 the article one year ago, 2145 01:11:35,766 --> 01:11:38,366 he ruled that Google held held an illegal 2146 01:11:38,366 --> 01:11:40,333 monopoly in Internet search. 2147 01:11:41,166 --> 01:11:43,000 But instead of doing anything, they kind 2148 01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:44,066 of just got a slap on the wrist. 2149 01:11:45,466 --> 01:11:48,066 So basically they can keep both. 2150 01:11:48,399 --> 01:11:52,199 They can keep Google and Android and they 2151 01:11:52,199 --> 01:11:53,066 can keep paying Mozilla 2152 01:11:53,266 --> 01:11:54,233 to be the default search 2153 01:11:54,233 --> 01:11:55,933 engine and Apple as well. 2154 01:11:57,633 --> 01:11:59,066 So like they can keep 2155 01:11:59,066 --> 01:12:00,066 their monopoly, basically. 2156 01:12:02,166 --> 01:12:04,633 Yeah, and Google is 2157 01:12:04,633 --> 01:12:06,199 especially like, well, ABC, 2158 01:12:07,300 --> 01:12:10,300 right, is especially a monopoly because 2159 01:12:10,300 --> 01:12:11,600 of how many different markets 2160 01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:12,566 they really tackle 2161 01:12:12,566 --> 01:12:14,466 and that they influence. 2162 01:12:15,733 --> 01:12:17,333 So it brings some synergy. 2163 01:12:17,833 --> 01:12:21,100 But Google is obviously 2164 01:12:21,100 --> 01:12:22,633 showing like a lot of like, 2165 01:12:23,100 --> 01:12:24,533 did you guys talk about Android being 2166 01:12:24,533 --> 01:12:25,800 pretty much closed source now? 2167 01:12:26,033 --> 01:12:26,933 Oh, shit, I forgot 2168 01:12:26,933 --> 01:12:27,966 about that one last year. 2169 01:12:28,300 --> 01:12:29,833 Last week. That is 2170 01:12:31,199 --> 01:12:33,033 I honestly, I was kind of shocked that 2171 01:12:33,033 --> 01:12:33,633 you guys didn't cover. 2172 01:12:34,733 --> 01:12:36,800 I forgot to be honest. 2173 01:12:37,300 --> 01:12:38,199 I was going to put it this 2174 01:12:38,199 --> 01:12:39,333 week, too, but I also forgot. 2175 01:12:39,966 --> 01:12:41,100 Because you can't side load. 2176 01:12:42,033 --> 01:12:43,933 Yeah, that's going to kill Android. 2177 01:12:43,966 --> 01:12:44,766 I don't know what's going to like. 2178 01:12:45,633 --> 01:12:46,633 There's also a lot of it. 2179 01:12:46,833 --> 01:12:47,666 There's two options. 2180 01:12:49,933 --> 01:12:52,899 Did you get the Libram five? Come on. 2181 01:12:53,733 --> 01:12:55,266 That's true. No, no, that's the thing. 2182 01:12:55,266 --> 01:12:56,199 And I was also curious, 2183 01:12:56,199 --> 01:12:57,266 Gardner, what are you going to do? 2184 01:12:57,566 --> 01:12:58,533 Are you going to be? 2185 01:13:00,133 --> 01:13:03,000 Well, that's a great question. 2186 01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:04,866 I have no idea what I'm going to do. 2187 01:13:05,366 --> 01:13:07,033 If I can't side load, you might as well 2188 01:13:07,033 --> 01:13:07,966 just go back to Apple. 2189 01:13:08,933 --> 01:13:09,733 Apparently Apple lets 2190 01:13:09,733 --> 01:13:11,133 you side load in Europe. 2191 01:13:11,233 --> 01:13:12,766 Well, you still have to be a registered 2192 01:13:12,766 --> 01:13:14,266 developer to side load on Apple. 2193 01:13:14,666 --> 01:13:15,866 Like, like, that's the whole thing is 2194 01:13:15,866 --> 01:13:17,033 like you can side load 2195 01:13:19,333 --> 01:13:21,966 on Google, but you have to like get a 2196 01:13:21,966 --> 01:13:23,566 signature from Google. Right. 2197 01:13:23,833 --> 01:13:26,033 Like that's the problem. 2198 01:13:26,033 --> 01:13:28,500 It's like they are now like fully in 2199 01:13:28,500 --> 01:13:30,533 control of the entire ecosystem. 2200 01:13:30,866 --> 01:13:32,133 Or they will be when, 2201 01:13:32,133 --> 01:13:33,399 you know, in a year or so, 2202 01:13:33,399 --> 01:13:34,466 whenever this next 2203 01:13:34,466 --> 01:13:35,566 version of Android launches. 2204 01:13:36,333 --> 01:13:38,233 And so the issue is, 2205 01:13:38,233 --> 01:13:40,866 you know, we need like 2206 01:13:41,566 --> 01:13:44,033 Linux powered handhelds that don't suck 2207 01:13:45,033 --> 01:13:46,433 that you can, you know, use 2208 01:13:46,433 --> 01:13:47,566 like with a cellular modem. 2209 01:13:48,266 --> 01:13:51,566 The options out there are pretty limited. 2210 01:13:54,233 --> 01:13:55,233 I can see there being a 2211 01:13:55,233 --> 01:13:56,633 growing interest given now, 2212 01:13:56,833 --> 01:13:58,000 you know, given that people were kind of 2213 01:13:58,000 --> 01:13:59,966 content with Android as it was. 2214 01:14:00,566 --> 01:14:03,633 But now, you know, I mean, honestly, like 2215 01:14:03,633 --> 01:14:04,666 the problem that we face 2216 01:14:04,733 --> 01:14:07,566 is that how many people actually side 2217 01:14:07,566 --> 01:14:09,733 load anything like us nerds do. 2218 01:14:10,199 --> 01:14:12,833 But like, you know, the reason that 2219 01:14:12,833 --> 01:14:14,766 Google is putting this in is because 2220 01:14:14,766 --> 01:14:18,566 you know, the people who like the normal 2221 01:14:18,566 --> 01:14:20,966 people out there who do side 2222 01:14:20,966 --> 01:14:22,000 load are usually doing 2223 01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:23,199 it and getting viruses, 2224 01:14:23,633 --> 01:14:24,166 at least that's their 2225 01:14:24,166 --> 01:14:25,633 excuse for why they're doing it. 2226 01:14:27,333 --> 01:14:31,300 The fact is, like normal people 2227 01:14:31,866 --> 01:14:35,100 are satisfied with the duopoly ecosystem, 2228 01:14:36,466 --> 01:14:37,633 but people like me, 2229 01:14:38,500 --> 01:14:39,766 who are like enthusiasts, 2230 01:14:40,366 --> 01:14:42,566 people who are like hardware enthusiasts 2231 01:14:43,566 --> 01:14:47,033 and care about like PCs and stuff should 2232 01:14:47,033 --> 01:14:48,733 not be satisfied with this duopoly. 2233 01:14:49,266 --> 01:14:51,333 And there aren't great 2234 01:14:51,333 --> 01:14:53,066 alternatives right now. 2235 01:14:54,566 --> 01:14:56,966 It costs money to make a lot of software, 2236 01:14:57,233 --> 01:14:58,666 like if you to refine it 2237 01:14:58,666 --> 01:15:01,399 to what it is like iOS and Android, it 2238 01:15:01,399 --> 01:15:02,233 takes a lot of money 2239 01:15:02,233 --> 01:15:03,633 or a lot of manpower, I should say. 2240 01:15:04,266 --> 01:15:06,733 And so I think we could get it on Linux. 2241 01:15:07,399 --> 01:15:08,766 It's just we're so far away. 2242 01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:11,366 You'd have to fork 2243 01:15:12,399 --> 01:15:14,333 maybe some version of Android that you're 2244 01:15:14,333 --> 01:15:16,633 allowed to to be, I don't know. 2245 01:15:18,233 --> 01:15:18,466 Yeah. 2246 01:15:19,766 --> 01:15:20,699 I think drivers are 2247 01:15:20,699 --> 01:15:22,033 also a major concern with 2248 01:15:23,399 --> 01:15:25,366 Linux as well, because a lot of the 2249 01:15:25,366 --> 01:15:26,766 really good Android phones 2250 01:15:26,766 --> 01:15:27,899 don't have open drivers 2251 01:15:27,899 --> 01:15:29,199 like I don't think you can. 2252 01:15:29,199 --> 01:15:31,666 I don't think there are like open drivers 2253 01:15:31,666 --> 01:15:33,166 like any of the Qualcomm ones. 2254 01:15:34,199 --> 01:15:35,266 The thing is drivers 2255 01:15:35,266 --> 01:15:37,966 aren't that big of a deal 2256 01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:40,533 because the Linux kernel allows like just 2257 01:15:40,533 --> 01:15:43,000 binary only drivers to be integrated. 2258 01:15:43,666 --> 01:15:46,366 And so like you can like you 2259 01:15:46,366 --> 01:15:48,033 can install like, you know, 2260 01:15:48,166 --> 01:15:52,266 AOSP based Android ROM on most devices 2261 01:15:52,266 --> 01:15:53,333 and they'll just work. 2262 01:15:53,733 --> 01:15:57,533 Sometimes you can't like can't 2263 01:15:57,533 --> 01:16:00,666 extract the drivers from like, you know, 2264 01:16:00,866 --> 01:16:03,033 an OEM build of a ROM 2265 01:16:03,033 --> 01:16:05,399 or whatever, but most of the time, like 2266 01:16:05,399 --> 01:16:06,633 drivers are included 2267 01:16:06,833 --> 01:16:09,066 in the Linux kernel for most devices. 2268 01:16:10,666 --> 01:16:11,600 But it's still like 2269 01:16:12,733 --> 01:16:13,833 that they might not be 2270 01:16:13,833 --> 01:16:15,033 the most optimized ones. 2271 01:16:15,033 --> 01:16:16,366 They may not be the latest ones. 2272 01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:19,300 And you run into lots of 2273 01:16:19,300 --> 01:16:20,466 little weird headaches, 2274 01:16:22,466 --> 01:16:23,966 which is why like flashing 2275 01:16:23,966 --> 01:16:25,533 devices is not popular anymore. 2276 01:16:25,833 --> 01:16:27,966 You know, like also because bootloaders 2277 01:16:27,966 --> 01:16:28,566 are totally locked 2278 01:16:28,566 --> 01:16:29,933 down and Verizon is evil. 2279 01:16:30,233 --> 01:16:30,333 But 2280 01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:33,166 yeah, I don't know. 2281 01:16:35,066 --> 01:16:36,300 I don't sideload stuff anymore. 2282 01:16:36,500 --> 01:16:37,399 I used to when I 2283 01:16:37,399 --> 01:16:38,866 tinkered with stuff, but. 2284 01:16:40,100 --> 01:16:42,300 Yeah, I mean, I sideload stuff, 2285 01:16:42,300 --> 01:16:44,399 especially to like do 2286 01:16:44,399 --> 01:16:46,066 local development for Android. 2287 01:16:47,166 --> 01:16:49,133 But I haven't sideloted 2288 01:16:50,266 --> 01:16:51,533 a major application. 2289 01:16:51,933 --> 01:16:53,399 Well, I did actually recently. 2290 01:16:54,233 --> 01:16:55,833 What was it? It was. 2291 01:16:57,233 --> 01:17:00,233 It was. 2292 01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:04,366 This this thing called Cleradi, which has 2293 01:17:05,966 --> 01:17:07,866 a bunch of applications 2294 01:17:07,866 --> 01:17:09,633 like and Revolt is one of them, 2295 01:17:11,366 --> 01:17:12,399 which is like an open 2296 01:17:12,399 --> 01:17:13,866 source alternative to Discord. 2297 01:17:15,333 --> 01:17:16,533 For Android, do we know 2298 01:17:16,533 --> 01:17:18,333 if they're going to like, 2299 01:17:19,133 --> 01:17:21,433 you can enable developer mode or 2300 01:17:21,433 --> 01:17:22,166 something like that? 2301 01:17:23,233 --> 01:17:24,833 Has that been ruled out at this point? 2302 01:17:26,366 --> 01:17:27,966 I haven't heard anything about it. 2303 01:17:28,033 --> 01:17:29,033 No, you'd have to. 2304 01:17:29,133 --> 01:17:30,000 You'd have to be able to 2305 01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:31,533 do a developer mode, but 2306 01:17:32,533 --> 01:17:35,166 it's going to still be locked down to 2307 01:17:35,166 --> 01:17:36,933 where you might be able to. 2308 01:17:36,933 --> 01:17:39,733 You might be able to sideload as a 2309 01:17:39,733 --> 01:17:41,733 developer, maybe, because like, 2310 01:17:41,733 --> 01:17:43,266 I'm curious how this would work, because 2311 01:17:43,266 --> 01:17:46,699 you with Android, you sign things with 2312 01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:50,333 a key that you create on your device and 2313 01:17:50,333 --> 01:17:51,666 then you keep track of that. 2314 01:17:53,100 --> 01:17:53,966 Sounds like they're going to. 2315 01:17:54,333 --> 01:17:55,533 And then you can upload it 2316 01:17:55,533 --> 01:17:57,066 to the store and all that. 2317 01:17:57,800 --> 01:17:59,066 Where iOS is the opposite. 2318 01:17:59,300 --> 01:18:00,833 You have to get credentials and 2319 01:18:00,833 --> 01:18:03,466 everything to sign it from iOS. 2320 01:18:04,199 --> 01:18:05,066 I wonder if it's going 2321 01:18:05,066 --> 01:18:06,366 to be something like that. 2322 01:18:06,366 --> 01:18:09,366 You can only sideload unsigned code over 2323 01:18:09,366 --> 01:18:11,666 ADB or something like that. 2324 01:18:11,666 --> 01:18:12,866 Might be the only way 2325 01:18:12,866 --> 01:18:14,300 that they'll allow it. 2326 01:18:14,466 --> 01:18:16,766 And that way, but I don't know for sure. 2327 01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:18,366 That's just my thought. Yeah. 2328 01:18:19,699 --> 01:18:21,566 Or maybe they'll just or maybe you have 2329 01:18:21,566 --> 01:18:22,766 to pay a developer license, 2330 01:18:22,766 --> 01:18:25,066 kind of like what you do with an Xbox 2331 01:18:25,066 --> 01:18:26,466 where you can pay twenty dollars 2332 01:18:26,566 --> 01:18:27,933 for a developer license and you can 2333 01:18:27,933 --> 01:18:29,233 sideload emulators and shit. 2334 01:18:30,399 --> 01:18:31,266 But you're like in a 2335 01:18:31,266 --> 01:18:33,500 limited like OS version, right? 2336 01:18:35,333 --> 01:18:36,966 Yeah, I definitely don't see 2337 01:18:36,966 --> 01:18:37,966 how they're going to prevent 2338 01:18:38,066 --> 01:18:40,066 sideloading completely if 2339 01:18:40,066 --> 01:18:41,633 you going the developer out 2340 01:18:42,266 --> 01:18:43,833 because like as a like I've 2341 01:18:43,833 --> 01:18:45,133 developed tons of mobile apps 2342 01:18:45,133 --> 01:18:47,733 and that would suck to not be able to 2343 01:18:48,733 --> 01:18:51,433 test that stuff out before all that. 2344 01:18:51,433 --> 01:18:53,266 Well, I'm thinking well, I think the real 2345 01:18:53,266 --> 01:18:54,566 reason why they're doing this, though. 2346 01:18:54,633 --> 01:18:57,166 I mean, we we say it's for security, but 2347 01:18:57,166 --> 01:18:58,166 I think the real reason is 2348 01:18:58,166 --> 01:19:00,100 because they want to go after like the 2349 01:19:00,100 --> 01:19:01,866 alternative YouTube clients 2350 01:19:01,866 --> 01:19:03,066 that shall not be named. 2351 01:19:03,500 --> 01:19:05,933 Hmm. Yes, yes. 2352 01:19:05,933 --> 01:19:06,666 You know what you see where 2353 01:19:06,666 --> 01:19:07,466 I'm going with this, right? 2354 01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:09,633 Yeah. The alternative YouTube clients 2355 01:19:09,633 --> 01:19:10,833 that let you watch videos 2356 01:19:10,833 --> 01:19:12,033 that free on YouTube. 2357 01:19:13,833 --> 01:19:15,933 And we download videos without actually 2358 01:19:15,933 --> 01:19:18,033 being a YouTube premium subscriber. 2359 01:19:18,633 --> 01:19:19,833 Yes. And also play 2360 01:19:19,833 --> 01:19:20,600 videos in the background 2361 01:19:21,333 --> 01:19:23,199 without being a YouTube video, without 2362 01:19:23,199 --> 01:19:24,733 being a YouTube premium subscriber. 2363 01:19:26,033 --> 01:19:27,133 And it's in. 2364 01:19:27,433 --> 01:19:28,233 I mean, to be honest, 2365 01:19:28,633 --> 01:19:29,833 they've been monetized. 2366 01:19:30,333 --> 01:19:31,899 They've been trying to over monetize the 2367 01:19:31,899 --> 01:19:32,766 hell out of YouTube. 2368 01:19:33,666 --> 01:19:35,666 They've added so many so much bullshit 2369 01:19:35,666 --> 01:19:37,633 that they can take a cut from. 2370 01:19:37,633 --> 01:19:38,666 Like, for example, tagging 2371 01:19:38,666 --> 01:19:40,800 products on YouTube directly. 2372 01:19:41,466 --> 01:19:43,100 They most certainly get a cut from that. 2373 01:19:43,233 --> 01:19:44,666 Yeah. And also they get 2374 01:19:44,666 --> 01:19:45,899 a cut from everything. 2375 01:19:46,533 --> 01:19:48,633 If you see and they complain sometimes 2376 01:19:48,633 --> 01:19:49,666 that they're not making enough. 2377 01:19:49,699 --> 01:19:50,733 And this is every company. 2378 01:19:51,333 --> 01:19:53,133 If you go see what their revenue is, it's 2379 01:19:53,133 --> 01:19:54,899 it's fucking crazy high. 2380 01:19:55,433 --> 01:19:57,733 It is. They have no room to complain. 2381 01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:01,133 Honestly, looking at it, I think creators 2382 01:20:01,133 --> 01:20:02,399 are getting screwed over 2383 01:20:02,466 --> 01:20:05,366 more than anything. Yes. I think so, too. 2384 01:20:05,533 --> 01:20:07,033 I mean, this time last 2385 01:20:07,033 --> 01:20:08,533 year, my channel was making like 2386 01:20:08,766 --> 01:20:10,366 fourteen hundred dollars a month. 2387 01:20:10,766 --> 01:20:11,933 And now it's making less than 2388 01:20:11,933 --> 01:20:13,033 six hundred dollars a month. 2389 01:20:13,933 --> 01:20:16,166 And yeah, it's wild. 2390 01:20:17,233 --> 01:20:19,300 It is. They're kind of killing 2391 01:20:19,366 --> 01:20:21,533 the reason to be on it right now. 2392 01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:23,033 They make it easy. It's a 2393 01:20:23,033 --> 01:20:23,866 place where everyone goes, 2394 01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:26,733 but they are opening up to competition. 2395 01:20:27,133 --> 01:20:28,366 I really think it needs to come. 2396 01:20:28,733 --> 01:20:31,000 But the big question is who the who will 2397 01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:33,433 rise up to the challenge daily motion? 2398 01:20:35,266 --> 01:20:39,266 OK, Vimeo. No, no, it's 2399 01:20:39,266 --> 01:20:40,266 going to be something like kick 2400 01:20:40,266 --> 01:20:42,133 that has like unlimited gambling money. 2401 01:20:42,466 --> 01:20:43,566 I don't know. Not kick. 2402 01:20:44,433 --> 01:20:45,433 Well, and it's more streaming. 2403 01:20:45,699 --> 01:20:46,866 It's a competitor for. 2404 01:20:47,766 --> 01:20:49,800 Oh, my gosh, we can get into that. But, 2405 01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:52,233 you know, here's the thing. 2406 01:20:52,233 --> 01:20:53,266 Well, I got. Oh, sorry. 2407 01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:56,466 The thing is, all of this, like 2408 01:20:56,466 --> 01:20:57,699 everything we're talking about 2409 01:20:58,033 --> 01:20:59,800 is exactly why Google 2410 01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:00,833 needs to be broken up. 2411 01:21:01,533 --> 01:21:03,633 Like they are a monopoly and they control 2412 01:21:03,633 --> 01:21:05,500 so many verticals on the Internet 2413 01:21:05,966 --> 01:21:07,266 and even off the Internet. 2414 01:21:07,266 --> 01:21:08,733 I mean, how many Android 2415 01:21:08,733 --> 01:21:10,133 devices do you have in your house? 2416 01:21:10,133 --> 01:21:11,699 I've got probably 20. 2417 01:21:12,199 --> 01:21:13,133 Like I'm not even kidding. 2418 01:21:14,766 --> 01:21:16,033 And that's like not even like spare 2419 01:21:16,033 --> 01:21:17,466 phones or old old phones 2420 01:21:17,466 --> 01:21:18,800 that I've retired. I'm like talking about 2421 01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:19,966 I have a tablet here. 2422 01:21:20,300 --> 01:21:21,733 I have another tablet over there. I have 2423 01:21:21,733 --> 01:21:23,933 like an Nvidia Shield. 2424 01:21:24,466 --> 01:21:25,366 Tons of stuff, right? 2425 01:21:26,533 --> 01:21:29,533 Yeah, but Judge Ameta says that it would 2426 01:21:29,533 --> 01:21:31,233 be too hard to break up 2427 01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:35,100 the Google because it'll be catastrophic 2428 01:21:35,100 --> 01:21:37,033 or some bullshit like that. 2429 01:21:37,033 --> 01:21:38,333 Too big to fail, right? 2430 01:21:38,566 --> 01:21:40,666 Too big to if it fails, then like the 2431 01:21:40,666 --> 01:21:42,100 Internet will go down or some bullshit. 2432 01:21:42,566 --> 01:21:45,133 Yeah, no, it's it's got to be some type 2433 01:21:45,133 --> 01:21:46,333 of money or something. 2434 01:21:46,833 --> 01:21:48,833 Speaking of which, I remember a couple. 2435 01:21:49,433 --> 01:21:50,500 I don't know if it was like a year or two 2436 01:21:50,500 --> 01:21:51,699 ago, but I remember Amazon 2437 01:21:51,699 --> 01:21:54,466 tried to go after people's sponsorships 2438 01:21:54,466 --> 01:21:56,633 for like sponsored streams and shit. 2439 01:21:57,199 --> 01:21:58,300 They wanted a cut of that 2440 01:21:58,300 --> 01:22:00,666 shit and people did not take it. 2441 01:22:00,933 --> 01:22:01,766 Oh, yeah, that's familiar. 2442 01:22:02,366 --> 01:22:03,300 But it sounds like Google. 2443 01:22:03,933 --> 01:22:05,466 I mean, Google is 2444 01:22:05,466 --> 01:22:06,433 probably going to do that next. 2445 01:22:06,766 --> 01:22:08,866 They're going to try to go after people's 2446 01:22:08,866 --> 01:22:13,133 people, the Nvidia sponsorships and. 2447 01:22:13,266 --> 01:22:16,366 I they're going to honestly, 2448 01:22:16,366 --> 01:22:18,199 that will be probably a catalyst 2449 01:22:18,666 --> 01:22:20,166 for people to do try to do 2450 01:22:20,166 --> 01:22:21,333 more and more away from it. 2451 01:22:22,233 --> 01:22:23,933 Honestly, I think one thing that creators 2452 01:22:23,933 --> 01:22:26,366 could do is start promoting their 2453 01:22:28,166 --> 01:22:29,833 start like utilizing, let's say, even 2454 01:22:29,833 --> 01:22:31,633 Patreon like, hey, you have a free tier. 2455 01:22:31,633 --> 01:22:33,033 They can go subscribe and watch you there 2456 01:22:34,166 --> 01:22:35,833 and start promoting that more. 2457 01:22:36,199 --> 01:22:38,166 The problem with stuff like Patreon is 2458 01:22:38,166 --> 01:22:38,966 they don't have feeds 2459 01:22:38,966 --> 01:22:40,633 to where you can naturally find stuff. 2460 01:22:41,166 --> 01:22:42,866 And that's where YouTube kind of wins 2461 01:22:42,866 --> 01:22:44,933 right now is it has ways 2462 01:22:45,399 --> 01:22:46,933 has a discoverability, which is 2463 01:22:46,933 --> 01:22:50,166 important, but it's become dark patterns. 2464 01:22:50,399 --> 01:22:51,333 Right. And so, yeah. 2465 01:22:51,566 --> 01:22:52,733 Well, the problem is 2466 01:22:52,733 --> 01:22:55,233 platforms like that's the problem. 2467 01:22:55,466 --> 01:22:58,800 Like we, you know, oh, my space sucks. 2468 01:22:58,800 --> 01:22:59,800 So let's go over to Facebook. 2469 01:23:00,100 --> 01:23:00,966 Oh, Facebook sucks. 2470 01:23:01,266 --> 01:23:02,133 Well, too, too late. 2471 01:23:02,366 --> 01:23:03,666 Facebook controls everything, right? 2472 01:23:04,133 --> 01:23:08,033 It's like if you really want to have like 2473 01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:09,766 the intellectual 2474 01:23:09,766 --> 01:23:13,333 freedom to go around and like 2475 01:23:14,133 --> 01:23:17,266 enjoy like a diversity of opinion and 2476 01:23:18,366 --> 01:23:19,433 whatever else that the 2477 01:23:19,433 --> 01:23:20,766 Internet was supposed to bring, 2478 01:23:21,666 --> 01:23:22,833 you have to use things 2479 01:23:22,833 --> 01:23:23,833 that are open source. 2480 01:23:24,633 --> 01:23:26,166 The Fedverse, the Fedverse, the Fedverse. 2481 01:23:26,866 --> 01:23:30,566 Here's the problem partially is that a 2482 01:23:30,566 --> 01:23:32,166 lot of the Fedverse stuff is 2483 01:23:32,166 --> 01:23:36,933 you X, Y isn't quite quite up to par. 2484 01:23:36,933 --> 01:23:37,933 I agree. Is my opinion. 2485 01:23:37,966 --> 01:23:41,500 Yeah. And so we need you got to have like 2486 01:23:41,500 --> 01:23:43,000 a big drive from a lot of developers 2487 01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:45,800 or a lot of people to invest more into. 2488 01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:47,600 And that's a hard part right now. Right. 2489 01:23:47,866 --> 01:23:50,266 Well, also like we the Fedverse is 2490 01:23:50,266 --> 01:23:52,199 competing with the dark patterns 2491 01:23:52,199 --> 01:23:53,533 that you were talking about. Right. 2492 01:23:53,633 --> 01:23:55,166 It's like you're not wrong. Yeah. 2493 01:23:55,433 --> 01:23:57,266 Yeah. It's like people expect to have 2494 01:23:57,266 --> 01:23:58,933 everything easy and instantly. 2495 01:23:59,399 --> 01:24:01,300 And that shouldn't be how 2496 01:24:01,300 --> 01:24:02,566 you find your entertainment. 2497 01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:03,633 That shouldn't be how 2498 01:24:03,633 --> 01:24:05,033 you engage with people. 2499 01:24:05,533 --> 01:24:06,633 It shouldn't be easy. Right. 2500 01:24:06,666 --> 01:24:08,266 Like the reason that we 2501 01:24:08,266 --> 01:24:09,866 break, we used to break up 2502 01:24:10,466 --> 01:24:12,100 monopolies isn't because it was easy. 2503 01:24:12,100 --> 01:24:14,166 It's because it's as necessity. 2504 01:24:14,966 --> 01:24:16,733 It's like, do you think Michelangelo was 2505 01:24:16,733 --> 01:24:18,766 like, here's a block of marble. 2506 01:24:19,166 --> 01:24:19,899 It's going to be too hard 2507 01:24:19,899 --> 01:24:21,066 to sculpt David, though. 2508 01:24:22,033 --> 01:24:23,966 No, dude, like if we want a 2509 01:24:23,966 --> 01:24:26,833 society to sculpt this for me. 2510 01:24:27,033 --> 01:24:29,333 Yeah, dude, if we want a culture that's 2511 01:24:29,333 --> 01:24:31,100 worth living in, worth experiencing, 2512 01:24:32,199 --> 01:24:34,600 worth enjoying, then we have to work 2513 01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:37,966 collectively to make it that way. 2514 01:24:37,966 --> 01:24:40,733 Because if we don't work collectively to 2515 01:24:40,733 --> 01:24:42,866 improve the conditions that we're living 2516 01:24:42,933 --> 01:24:45,466 in, then it will go to shit and the worst 2517 01:24:45,466 --> 01:24:46,533 people will be in charge. 2518 01:24:48,333 --> 01:24:50,000 I the only way you do this is government 2519 01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:51,466 level, in my opinion. 2520 01:24:51,466 --> 01:24:52,966 Yeah, I agree. That's what I 2521 01:24:52,966 --> 01:24:54,333 was going to say is that like 2522 01:24:54,733 --> 01:24:56,000 Fedverse is cool, right? 2523 01:24:56,266 --> 01:24:57,166 I actually don't know 2524 01:24:57,166 --> 01:24:57,933 nothing about Fedverse. 2525 01:24:57,933 --> 01:24:59,833 My point is who my point is. 2526 01:25:00,466 --> 01:25:01,866 We need regulation, right? 2527 01:25:02,033 --> 01:25:03,533 Like I'm a big fan of regulation. 2528 01:25:04,466 --> 01:25:06,233 I think like some people are like, no, 2529 01:25:06,233 --> 01:25:07,633 let's just everything is 2530 01:25:07,633 --> 01:25:09,333 free market or whatever. 2531 01:25:09,333 --> 01:25:13,833 But like clearly you get Google, you get 2532 01:25:13,833 --> 01:25:15,866 Alphabet, you get all sorts of 2533 01:25:15,866 --> 01:25:18,033 and then like, you know, like dynamic 2534 01:25:18,033 --> 01:25:19,466 pricing is something that like 2535 01:25:19,766 --> 01:25:22,166 we're seeing more of in physical stores. 2536 01:25:23,266 --> 01:25:25,066 But certainly we see it online. 2537 01:25:25,533 --> 01:25:26,866 And that's something that used to be 2538 01:25:26,866 --> 01:25:27,866 called price gouging. 2539 01:25:28,166 --> 01:25:30,366 And like and used to be illegal. 2540 01:25:31,699 --> 01:25:33,500 And somehow, you know, we have these. 2541 01:25:35,566 --> 01:25:37,866 Ways of bypassing those laws, they call 2542 01:25:37,866 --> 01:25:40,266 it dynamic pricing, personalized pricing. 2543 01:25:40,266 --> 01:25:41,566 Now, by the way, right. 2544 01:25:41,766 --> 01:25:42,933 Personalized pricing. Exactly. 2545 01:25:43,633 --> 01:25:46,699 Dude, I was on I was like looking for a 2546 01:25:46,699 --> 01:25:49,033 new Zigbee controller from my home lab. 2547 01:25:49,033 --> 01:25:52,399 Right. And I went on. 2548 01:25:53,733 --> 01:25:55,733 I was like looking at this website and it 2549 01:25:55,733 --> 01:25:57,133 had lists of all the things that were 2550 01:25:57,166 --> 01:25:59,066 compatible with Zigbee to MQTT. 2551 01:25:59,666 --> 01:26:00,566 Sorry, that's the road 2552 01:26:00,566 --> 01:26:03,566 beside my house Zigbee to MQTT. 2553 01:26:03,566 --> 01:26:04,966 Right. They were referencing all these 2554 01:26:04,966 --> 01:26:06,333 different controllers I could buy. 2555 01:26:06,333 --> 01:26:08,833 And I clicked the link to Alibaba. 2556 01:26:09,133 --> 01:26:11,433 Right. And it was twelve dollars and 70 2557 01:26:11,433 --> 01:26:13,666 cents for this controller that I wanted. 2558 01:26:14,033 --> 01:26:16,733 And I logged in and then it was suddenly 2559 01:26:16,733 --> 01:26:19,333 17 dollars and 53 cents. 2560 01:26:19,333 --> 01:26:20,500 And I was like, oh, that's fun. 2561 01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:23,100 I added it to my cart and the price went 2562 01:26:23,100 --> 01:26:26,433 from 17 dollars to 22 dollars before 2563 01:26:26,533 --> 01:26:28,766 shipping. Mm hmm. 2564 01:26:28,966 --> 01:26:31,266 That's what I'm not kidding, dude. 2565 01:26:31,399 --> 01:26:32,833 Yeah, this personalized. 2566 01:26:33,199 --> 01:26:35,500 It's personalized, double personalized. 2567 01:26:36,933 --> 01:26:39,066 Jesus. What's your name? 2568 01:26:39,066 --> 01:26:40,333 Oh, wait. Well, let's check your. 2569 01:26:40,333 --> 01:26:42,666 Oh, you you have a YouTube channel. 2570 01:26:42,666 --> 01:26:43,966 OK, yeah, let's keep up in this. 2571 01:26:44,233 --> 01:26:46,333 You you have a social credit 2572 01:26:46,333 --> 01:26:48,033 score in the negative. Yeah. 2573 01:26:49,533 --> 01:26:50,766 You hate us. Yeah, we're 2574 01:26:50,766 --> 01:26:51,833 going to be charging you more. 2575 01:26:52,466 --> 01:26:54,233 Oh, man. I could. 2576 01:26:54,233 --> 01:26:57,033 This is we. 2577 01:26:57,133 --> 01:26:58,733 Yeah, it's just not going to get fixed 2578 01:26:58,733 --> 01:26:59,633 without governmental. 2579 01:27:00,366 --> 01:27:02,300 Yeah, but the government fucking let 2580 01:27:02,300 --> 01:27:03,699 Google keep their monopoly, though. 2581 01:27:03,699 --> 01:27:04,966 That's the other issue, too. 2582 01:27:05,633 --> 01:27:06,533 Well, I mean, they should 2583 01:27:06,533 --> 01:27:08,800 take this this Amet men, 2584 01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:09,966 MIMA guy or whatever and 2585 01:27:09,966 --> 01:27:11,933 get him, you know, I met him. 2586 01:27:12,366 --> 01:27:13,633 His last name is Matt, dude. 2587 01:27:13,933 --> 01:27:14,766 Obviously. Oh, yeah. 2588 01:27:15,666 --> 01:27:17,333 Oh, I mean, yeah. Yeah. 2589 01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:18,466 Oh, my gosh. 2590 01:27:19,433 --> 01:27:21,000 So the 90s was able to break. 2591 01:27:21,233 --> 01:27:22,166 So who was in charge of 2592 01:27:22,166 --> 01:27:23,100 the 90s and stuff like that? 2593 01:27:23,366 --> 01:27:26,233 Microsoft. Microsoft got broken up. 2594 01:27:26,833 --> 01:27:27,433 Administration is going 2595 01:27:27,433 --> 01:27:28,333 to help with this, too. 2596 01:27:28,433 --> 01:27:31,233 And yeah, they got split in half. 2597 01:27:31,233 --> 01:27:33,166 They didn't. They didn't. 2598 01:27:33,166 --> 01:27:36,466 No, I thought they were forced to remove, 2599 01:27:37,199 --> 01:27:38,966 give other options for 2600 01:27:38,966 --> 01:27:41,133 internet browsers on Windows. 2601 01:27:41,366 --> 01:27:43,433 But I don't remember. Yeah, you're right. 2602 01:27:43,933 --> 01:27:46,666 Yeah. No, it was right. 2603 01:27:47,300 --> 01:27:48,166 I was going to say the phone 2604 01:27:48,166 --> 01:27:49,633 company that was 80s, right? 2605 01:27:49,633 --> 01:27:50,933 Yes. Bell Atlantic. Yeah. 2606 01:27:51,366 --> 01:27:53,233 Yeah. We started to get 2607 01:27:53,233 --> 01:27:55,800 somewhere and now it's a I. 2608 01:27:57,066 --> 01:27:57,733 We can get there. 2609 01:27:58,166 --> 01:27:58,633 It's just going to be a 2610 01:27:58,633 --> 01:27:59,933 rough few years right now 2611 01:27:59,933 --> 01:28:01,466 because every every business is going to 2612 01:28:01,466 --> 01:28:02,600 be allowed to do whatever they want, 2613 01:28:03,833 --> 01:28:07,666 which is bad because they have not your 2614 01:28:07,666 --> 01:28:09,533 interest in mind, by the way. 2615 01:28:10,333 --> 01:28:15,800 So. All I know is I don't touch 2616 01:28:16,166 --> 01:28:17,733 meta stuff just to go back to that. I 2617 01:28:17,733 --> 01:28:18,433 don't touch Facebook. 2618 01:28:18,733 --> 01:28:20,733 So at least it's 2619 01:28:20,733 --> 01:28:21,766 working for me for someone. 2620 01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:24,100 I only have Instagram. 2621 01:28:24,166 --> 01:28:26,666 It's both marketplace, to be honest. 2622 01:28:28,133 --> 01:28:31,666 I can't. I I think I'm off everything 2623 01:28:31,666 --> 01:28:33,233 except YouTube at this point. 2624 01:28:34,033 --> 01:28:36,733 I mean, I mean, I should be on. 2625 01:28:36,733 --> 01:28:37,466 I mean, I should be off 2626 01:28:37,466 --> 01:28:39,133 everything, too. But like. 2627 01:28:40,166 --> 01:28:41,633 You can't as a content creator, it's 2628 01:28:41,633 --> 01:28:43,333 really hard. Yeah. Yeah. 2629 01:28:44,500 --> 01:28:46,066 Yeah. I mean, I still have my ex account. 2630 01:28:46,133 --> 01:28:47,800 I just have. And this is 2631 01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:50,166 this is no longer about like. 2632 01:28:51,166 --> 01:28:51,966 Well, it is about dark 2633 01:28:51,966 --> 01:28:52,899 patterns, but it's not about like 2634 01:28:52,899 --> 01:28:53,866 monopoly and stuff like that. 2635 01:28:53,866 --> 01:28:56,566 It's just that like my life is better 2636 01:28:56,566 --> 01:28:58,033 when I'm not checking 2637 01:28:58,666 --> 01:28:59,966 any of this stuff, right? 2638 01:29:00,533 --> 01:29:02,100 And YouTube, my life is 2639 01:29:02,100 --> 01:29:03,233 better when I'm not like 2640 01:29:03,633 --> 01:29:05,066 mindlessly scrolling through shorts. 2641 01:29:05,066 --> 01:29:07,666 Like if I just use my RSS 2642 01:29:07,666 --> 01:29:09,333 feed and I use my watch later 2643 01:29:09,566 --> 01:29:12,366 and, you know, occasionally go on to the 2644 01:29:12,366 --> 01:29:14,333 discovery to to find something new. 2645 01:29:14,433 --> 01:29:17,766 That that's when, you know, I'm watching 2646 01:29:17,766 --> 01:29:20,166 stuff that I feel best 2647 01:29:20,166 --> 01:29:21,766 about after I've watched it. 2648 01:29:22,399 --> 01:29:25,699 Yeah. I mean, I well, I watch news and 2649 01:29:25,699 --> 01:29:26,533 some entertainment stuff. 2650 01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:27,866 That's kind of what I use. 2651 01:29:27,866 --> 01:29:29,399 I use it for TV. But yeah. 2652 01:29:30,300 --> 01:29:31,566 Yeah. YouTube is like my. 2653 01:29:32,833 --> 01:29:35,366 I can't I do Instagram a little bit, 2654 01:29:36,166 --> 01:29:38,366 but I try not to get on there too often. 2655 01:29:39,033 --> 01:29:41,633 And my wife keeps sending me stuff that 2656 01:29:41,633 --> 01:29:42,666 she wants me to look at. 2657 01:29:42,666 --> 01:29:43,333 So it's hard. 2658 01:29:44,033 --> 01:29:45,333 That's true. That no, 2659 01:29:45,333 --> 01:29:46,899 you bring up a good point. 2660 01:29:47,133 --> 01:29:49,000 I do still have Instagram specifically 2661 01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:50,399 for anything my wife shares. 2662 01:29:50,666 --> 01:29:54,033 So, you know, that's 2663 01:29:54,033 --> 01:29:54,866 the dark pattern, man. 2664 01:29:55,133 --> 01:29:56,733 I'll tell you what, though, it is really 2665 01:29:56,733 --> 01:29:57,966 hard to run a business 2666 01:29:57,966 --> 01:30:00,033 if you don't have an Instagram account. 2667 01:30:00,466 --> 01:30:01,233 It's really wild. 2668 01:30:01,866 --> 01:30:03,733 Yeah, that is true. Yeah. 2669 01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:06,633 I hate the fact that I have to post my 2670 01:30:06,633 --> 01:30:07,533 videos on Instagram. 2671 01:30:08,633 --> 01:30:10,100 To be fair, I think Instagram is so much 2672 01:30:10,100 --> 01:30:10,866 better than Facebook. 2673 01:30:11,333 --> 01:30:13,000 Every time I go to Facebook, I'm as a 2674 01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:13,699 developer, I'm just like 2675 01:30:13,733 --> 01:30:15,866 fuck everything that this is. 2676 01:30:15,866 --> 01:30:16,933 Couldn't you just pawn 2677 01:30:16,933 --> 01:30:18,066 that off on someone else? 2678 01:30:18,633 --> 01:30:20,466 Pawn the Instagram account off on someone 2679 01:30:20,466 --> 01:30:21,666 else and let them manage it. 2680 01:30:21,666 --> 01:30:24,133 If I had the capital to pay somebody to 2681 01:30:24,133 --> 01:30:26,966 my Instagram, I Emily. 2682 01:30:27,899 --> 01:30:29,399 No, she's she's off Instagram. 2683 01:30:29,633 --> 01:30:30,266 She doesn't use her. 2684 01:30:30,466 --> 01:30:31,433 She deleted her 2685 01:30:31,433 --> 01:30:32,800 account, which is awesome. 2686 01:30:33,433 --> 01:30:35,366 And so and I don't want to have to have 2687 01:30:35,366 --> 01:30:36,666 her install it on her phone. 2688 01:30:37,233 --> 01:30:38,766 That's fair enough. That's fair enough. 2689 01:30:39,033 --> 01:30:40,266 At least you can like post 2690 01:30:41,199 --> 01:30:43,833 like stuff from the Web 2691 01:30:43,833 --> 01:30:45,166 client now, which is nice. 2692 01:30:45,466 --> 01:30:46,966 You know, just hire just hire 2693 01:30:46,966 --> 01:30:48,766 a college intern and be like, 2694 01:30:48,866 --> 01:30:49,833 oh, you get paid an 2695 01:30:49,833 --> 01:30:52,466 experience and an exposure. Wow. 2696 01:30:54,066 --> 01:30:54,833 Be an asshole. 2697 01:30:55,033 --> 01:30:56,033 And then you're going to get canceled 2698 01:30:56,033 --> 01:30:57,066 like three years down 2699 01:30:57,066 --> 01:30:58,266 the road because of that. 2700 01:31:01,633 --> 01:31:02,000 No. 2701 01:31:04,566 --> 01:31:06,933 Yeah, it's we got to fix something, but 2702 01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:09,066 it sounds OK. 2703 01:31:09,566 --> 01:31:11,733 This next topic, I was 2704 01:31:11,733 --> 01:31:12,766 going to say, it sounds like 2705 01:31:13,566 --> 01:31:15,866 we're fixing the ray tracing issue, but I 2706 01:31:15,866 --> 01:31:17,800 like ray tracing. But 2707 01:31:20,033 --> 01:31:22,266 Battlefield six does not look like it's 2708 01:31:22,266 --> 01:31:23,033 going to have ray tracing 2709 01:31:24,133 --> 01:31:25,733 in it or is just going to 2710 01:31:25,733 --> 01:31:27,366 not be enabled by default. 2711 01:31:27,566 --> 01:31:30,033 Not going to be in the game, nor will it 2712 01:31:30,033 --> 01:31:31,933 be in the game in the future either. 2713 01:31:32,766 --> 01:31:33,666 As of right now. 2714 01:31:34,133 --> 01:31:35,566 Good. So. 2715 01:31:37,266 --> 01:31:38,666 So this is interesting, given that 2716 01:31:38,666 --> 01:31:40,033 Battlefield five, I believe, 2717 01:31:40,033 --> 01:31:41,266 was one of the first games 2718 01:31:41,266 --> 01:31:42,933 to have ray tracing in it. 2719 01:31:43,500 --> 01:31:45,399 It did not help it at all. 2720 01:31:45,666 --> 01:31:47,033 It looked horrible. Yeah. 2721 01:31:47,399 --> 01:31:50,866 Was Battlefield five like the most recent 2722 01:31:50,866 --> 01:31:52,233 version of Frostbite? 2723 01:31:52,500 --> 01:31:55,633 Was it? I think it was. Yes. 2724 01:31:55,866 --> 01:31:59,166 No, Battlefield 25, 2046, 2725 01:31:59,166 --> 01:32:00,399 whatever it was like there's 2726 01:32:00,966 --> 01:32:01,933 that was the last one 2727 01:32:01,933 --> 01:32:02,833 that I'm thinking of. 2728 01:32:02,866 --> 01:32:04,399 Yeah. Battlefield five was 2729 01:32:05,133 --> 01:32:07,933 back when the 2000 series came out. Yeah. 2730 01:32:08,066 --> 01:32:10,133 And it was the first it was the first 2731 01:32:10,133 --> 01:32:11,500 game to really have ray tracing. 2732 01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:13,133 But honestly, back then, 2733 01:32:13,133 --> 01:32:13,966 I think it looked good. 2734 01:32:14,366 --> 01:32:15,433 I think it looked good. 2735 01:32:16,633 --> 01:32:18,300 I saw that I've seen the comparisons 2736 01:32:18,300 --> 01:32:20,366 between like ray tracing on and off. 2737 01:32:20,366 --> 01:32:22,866 And like, aside from like maybe some gun 2738 01:32:22,866 --> 01:32:24,133 models showing reflections, 2739 01:32:24,133 --> 01:32:25,533 you can really see that big of a 2740 01:32:25,533 --> 01:32:26,333 difference, given how 2741 01:32:26,333 --> 01:32:27,266 much they had already put 2742 01:32:27,266 --> 01:32:29,833 into the FV and also ray 2743 01:32:29,833 --> 01:32:31,033 tracing was new. So yeah, 2744 01:32:31,766 --> 01:32:34,133 it was a little distracting, actually. 2745 01:32:34,266 --> 01:32:36,466 It was probably better to not have it on. 2746 01:32:37,066 --> 01:32:40,033 But some people were there was some 2747 01:32:40,033 --> 01:32:41,133 articles I read about that 2748 01:32:41,133 --> 01:32:43,199 where people could see reflections so 2749 01:32:43,199 --> 01:32:44,133 they could catch you. 2750 01:32:44,133 --> 01:32:46,366 So if you didn't have ray tracing, you 2751 01:32:46,366 --> 01:32:47,500 might be at a disadvantage. 2752 01:32:47,866 --> 01:32:49,066 But if you crank that thing up, 2753 01:32:49,866 --> 01:32:52,366 everything is just too much. 2754 01:32:52,666 --> 01:32:54,366 Yeah. Ray tracing ran like shit on 2755 01:32:54,366 --> 01:32:56,833 anything that wasn't a 20 80 T.I. 2756 01:32:57,199 --> 01:32:58,199 And that was that was the 2757 01:32:58,199 --> 01:32:59,366 thousand dollar card back then. 2758 01:32:59,833 --> 01:33:02,133 Well, that's crazy that we complained 2759 01:33:02,133 --> 01:33:04,766 about the 20 80 T.I. 2760 01:33:04,766 --> 01:33:05,866 being a thousand dollars. 2761 01:33:05,866 --> 01:33:08,733 And then now we have of what, 50, 90? 2762 01:33:08,733 --> 01:33:09,766 That's like two thousand dollars. 2763 01:33:11,966 --> 01:33:13,666 I mean, I always run high 2764 01:33:13,666 --> 01:33:15,733 end hardware, so I have not had 2765 01:33:15,733 --> 01:33:17,199 too many issues with ray 2766 01:33:17,199 --> 01:33:18,266 tracing and stuff like that. 2767 01:33:19,333 --> 01:33:20,933 But the main reason why they cut out ray 2768 01:33:20,933 --> 01:33:22,566 tracing is because they wanted 2769 01:33:22,566 --> 01:33:24,966 to focus on people running below spec. 2770 01:33:25,733 --> 01:33:26,800 Yeah. Below. 2771 01:33:27,066 --> 01:33:28,366 Because they noticed a lot of people are 2772 01:33:28,366 --> 01:33:29,866 running Battlefield six 2773 01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:31,600 below the beta below spec. 2774 01:33:32,466 --> 01:33:33,633 And so they want for once 2775 01:33:33,633 --> 01:33:35,233 to focus on low end hardware. 2776 01:33:36,766 --> 01:33:38,766 I think that's really smart and baking 2777 01:33:38,766 --> 01:33:41,633 the the tracing, the the 2778 01:33:42,466 --> 01:33:44,233 shadows and and lighting and 2779 01:33:44,233 --> 01:33:46,133 stuff like that is is good. 2780 01:33:47,633 --> 01:33:49,466 But I'm curious why they removed it all 2781 01:33:49,466 --> 01:33:50,566 together and not just 2782 01:33:50,566 --> 01:33:51,633 have it be an option. 2783 01:33:52,899 --> 01:33:55,866 I'm kind of curious. I think for like a 2784 01:33:55,866 --> 01:33:57,066 competitive game like this, 2785 01:33:57,433 --> 01:33:59,766 yeah, maybe having it be like as close as 2786 01:33:59,766 --> 01:34:01,033 possible for everyone 2787 01:34:01,033 --> 01:34:02,266 to have a similar experience. 2788 01:34:02,500 --> 01:34:04,033 So it doesn't also give people with 2789 01:34:04,033 --> 01:34:05,833 better graphics cards. 2790 01:34:07,866 --> 01:34:09,333 You know, a distinct advantage. 2791 01:34:10,233 --> 01:34:11,866 Yeah. And they're always going to have a 2792 01:34:11,866 --> 01:34:12,933 distinct advantage, though, 2793 01:34:13,366 --> 01:34:15,000 because of not even the ray tracing, but 2794 01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:16,666 like the game runs better, 2795 01:34:17,133 --> 01:34:18,899 less latency, all that good stuff. 2796 01:34:19,266 --> 01:34:21,933 Yeah. But I mean, textures, 2797 01:34:23,133 --> 01:34:24,633 fidelity can help with it. 2798 01:34:24,633 --> 01:34:28,033 So, you know, for me, at least for maybe 2799 01:34:28,033 --> 01:34:30,100 I know I say it's not shit, but like 2800 01:34:31,300 --> 01:34:32,733 I don't, you know, telling if 2801 01:34:32,733 --> 01:34:34,966 a person just distinguishing 2802 01:34:34,966 --> 01:34:36,833 what a person looks like and what a wall 2803 01:34:36,833 --> 01:34:38,333 looks like could help. 2804 01:34:39,733 --> 01:34:40,366 I don't know how I did 2805 01:34:40,366 --> 01:34:41,533 that with Battlefield 1946. 2806 01:34:43,733 --> 01:34:44,566 Everything looks like a 2807 01:34:44,566 --> 01:34:46,666 potato in that game, but so good. 2808 01:34:46,933 --> 01:34:49,866 Yeah, I do. I do think I 2809 01:34:49,866 --> 01:34:51,933 mean, I'm always a fan of 2810 01:34:52,066 --> 01:34:55,933 trying to make your game 2811 01:34:55,933 --> 01:34:57,866 available to low end users. 2812 01:34:59,800 --> 01:35:02,199 Sometimes that comes at the cost of being 2813 01:35:02,199 --> 01:35:03,533 able to raise the ceiling 2814 01:35:03,533 --> 01:35:06,633 as much as game developers may want to or 2815 01:35:06,633 --> 01:35:08,399 some, you know, high end players 2816 01:35:08,399 --> 01:35:11,166 may want to, but I've just always been 2817 01:35:11,166 --> 01:35:12,600 more of a low end player. 2818 01:35:13,266 --> 01:35:15,233 So that's where that's 2819 01:35:15,233 --> 01:35:17,066 where my kind of priority lies. 2820 01:35:17,066 --> 01:35:18,866 Right. Like I'd rather have that 2821 01:35:18,866 --> 01:35:20,566 available as an option. 2822 01:35:21,399 --> 01:35:22,733 And you can see from the 2823 01:35:22,733 --> 01:35:23,533 graphics settings, right? 2824 01:35:23,533 --> 01:35:25,533 Like the what they have for Battlefield 2825 01:35:25,533 --> 01:35:29,199 five, that 1080p 30 FPS low settings. 2826 01:35:29,733 --> 01:35:32,633 And that's running on like a high tech 2827 01:35:32,633 --> 01:35:34,033 set on the 2060. Right. 2828 01:35:34,866 --> 01:35:36,033 How does it run on a steam deck? 2829 01:35:36,266 --> 01:35:38,466 Does Battlefield six run on a steam deck? 2830 01:35:39,033 --> 01:35:40,166 I haven't tried it. 2831 01:35:40,399 --> 01:35:42,266 I don't think I think I 2832 01:35:42,266 --> 01:35:43,100 think there's anti cheat. 2833 01:35:43,100 --> 01:35:44,366 So I don't think it runs at all. 2834 01:35:44,366 --> 01:35:46,100 That's what I'm kind of curious about if 2835 01:35:46,100 --> 01:35:47,833 you throw it onto a Windows steam deck 2836 01:35:48,333 --> 01:35:49,866 because if they're removing ray tracing, 2837 01:35:49,866 --> 01:35:51,333 that could really help with 2838 01:35:52,266 --> 01:35:53,766 it running on the steam deck better. 2839 01:35:54,866 --> 01:35:56,366 Yeah, I'm more on board with this, too. 2840 01:35:56,566 --> 01:35:57,966 Like not everything needs 2841 01:35:57,966 --> 01:36:00,000 to be like ray tracing for me 2842 01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:02,133 personally is better on 2843 01:36:02,133 --> 01:36:05,066 single player games multiplayer. 2844 01:36:06,166 --> 01:36:07,000 Let's balance that out. 2845 01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:07,766 So it runs on everything. 2846 01:36:08,066 --> 01:36:08,966 So it gives people more. 2847 01:36:10,133 --> 01:36:11,300 Yeah, like there's a reason why people 2848 01:36:11,300 --> 01:36:13,433 still play League of Legends to this day. 2849 01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:15,633 And it's not just because it's popular. 2850 01:36:15,633 --> 01:36:16,800 It's also popular because 2851 01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:18,333 it runs on like potatoes. 2852 01:36:19,466 --> 01:36:20,933 Well, it looks good still because the art 2853 01:36:20,933 --> 01:36:22,766 style art style used to be 2854 01:36:22,766 --> 01:36:24,399 like really important back in the day, 2855 01:36:24,399 --> 01:36:25,800 like Blizzard had that down. 2856 01:36:26,066 --> 01:36:27,366 And that's why a lot of games still look 2857 01:36:27,366 --> 01:36:29,066 really good, even though like 2858 01:36:29,233 --> 01:36:31,133 I think World War, our Warcraft three 2859 01:36:31,133 --> 01:36:32,266 still looks great 2860 01:36:32,266 --> 01:36:34,233 because of its art style. 2861 01:36:36,566 --> 01:36:39,266 Yeah, like I understand some I understand 2862 01:36:39,266 --> 01:36:40,233 some hardware makers 2863 01:36:40,266 --> 01:36:43,466 want like a marquee like graphical 2864 01:36:43,466 --> 01:36:45,233 showcase to better sell the hardware 2865 01:36:45,366 --> 01:36:46,966 about the same time, though, I'm starting 2866 01:36:46,966 --> 01:36:48,699 to wonder if we're hitting the limits of 2867 01:36:49,633 --> 01:36:51,333 that, not to mention, not to mention 2868 01:36:51,333 --> 01:36:52,899 Nvidia doesn't need the 2869 01:36:52,899 --> 01:36:53,666 gaming market anymore. 2870 01:36:54,166 --> 01:36:56,766 They have the AI market that like they're 2871 01:36:56,766 --> 01:36:57,566 like basically carrying 2872 01:36:57,566 --> 01:36:59,233 the entire industry on their backs. 2873 01:37:00,500 --> 01:37:01,866 So the market's going to collapse. 2874 01:37:02,600 --> 01:37:05,500 And I think Nvidia is like pushing 2875 01:37:06,766 --> 01:37:07,600 all of these 2876 01:37:09,066 --> 01:37:11,733 like high end games to use ray tracing 2877 01:37:11,733 --> 01:37:13,133 because it, you know, 2878 01:37:13,366 --> 01:37:15,300 it props up their business and allows 2879 01:37:15,300 --> 01:37:16,466 them to inflate their prices. 2880 01:37:17,566 --> 01:37:18,733 But I guess that's just my hot take. 2881 01:37:20,133 --> 01:37:21,766 That's fair. I don't think I don't think 2882 01:37:21,766 --> 01:37:22,699 you're necessarily wrong. 2883 01:37:22,699 --> 01:37:23,966 I bet you they're influencing somehow 2884 01:37:23,966 --> 01:37:25,466 because, yeah, that A.I. 2885 01:37:25,466 --> 01:37:27,600 bubble is going to pop and 2886 01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:31,066 and videos worth way more than 2887 01:37:31,766 --> 01:37:33,100 what they are going for 2888 01:37:33,100 --> 01:37:36,366 right now is is way overpriced. 2889 01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:39,333 Yeah. Well, I mean, they they basically 2890 01:37:39,333 --> 01:37:41,033 inflamed the crypto bubble 2891 01:37:41,133 --> 01:37:44,100 so they could sell more more GPUs. 2892 01:37:44,533 --> 01:37:47,033 And they they also like go as soon as 2893 01:37:47,033 --> 01:37:48,466 they realized that the writing 2894 01:37:48,466 --> 01:37:50,066 was on the wall for crypto, they were 2895 01:37:50,066 --> 01:37:51,533 like, oh, what's the next thing? 2896 01:37:51,533 --> 01:37:52,366 We have to keep pumping. 2897 01:37:52,866 --> 01:37:55,733 And so they pumped the the A.I. market. 2898 01:37:56,466 --> 01:37:58,033 And now be fair, they have 2899 01:37:58,033 --> 01:37:59,366 a lot of irons in the fire. 2900 01:37:59,366 --> 01:38:00,100 Like they were working 2901 01:38:00,100 --> 01:38:01,333 on A.I. stuff for a while. 2902 01:38:01,966 --> 01:38:04,166 Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like machine. Yeah. 2903 01:38:04,166 --> 01:38:06,266 Like the LSS before that was a that used 2904 01:38:06,266 --> 01:38:07,866 to be just they used to 2905 01:38:07,866 --> 01:38:08,966 call it machine learning. 2906 01:38:09,333 --> 01:38:11,933 Yeah. So that is what it is. Yeah, it is. 2907 01:38:12,333 --> 01:38:13,733 We don't really have. Yeah. 2908 01:38:13,733 --> 01:38:15,233 So they've had tail. 2909 01:38:15,333 --> 01:38:16,500 We've had A.I. since 2910 01:38:17,566 --> 01:38:19,933 whenever the 2000 series GP 2911 01:38:19,933 --> 01:38:21,333 is whenever those came out. 2912 01:38:21,666 --> 01:38:24,033 Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's just like the I 2913 01:38:24,033 --> 01:38:25,100 think that they probably 2914 01:38:25,933 --> 01:38:27,766 did a lot to bring open A.I. 2915 01:38:28,233 --> 01:38:29,266 to the forefront and make 2916 01:38:29,266 --> 01:38:30,966 it as popular as it became. 2917 01:38:32,166 --> 01:38:33,633 Yeah, that's I don't think you're wrong. 2918 01:38:35,633 --> 01:38:36,300 Don't think you're wrong. 2919 01:38:38,366 --> 01:38:39,933 So what's next on our list? 2920 01:38:40,066 --> 01:38:42,033 I key figure leaves 2921 01:38:42,033 --> 01:38:43,466 studio behind Fair Game. 2922 01:38:43,933 --> 01:38:45,133 Another Sony live service. 2923 01:38:45,399 --> 01:38:47,600 It's fair games yet to pronounce the S. 2924 01:38:48,600 --> 01:38:49,566 You put a dollar sign. 2925 01:38:49,833 --> 01:38:52,399 So I didn't know. So they so today that's 2926 01:38:52,399 --> 01:38:53,966 how they that's how they spell the game. 2927 01:38:53,966 --> 01:38:55,566 Oh, my gosh. Obviously, I am 2928 01:38:55,566 --> 01:38:58,666 out of the loop on this one. 2929 01:38:58,666 --> 01:39:00,933 What is this? So it's 2930 01:39:00,933 --> 01:39:02,600 another Sony live service game. 2931 01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:03,733 That's probably doomed to fail. 2932 01:39:04,266 --> 01:39:05,399 It looks like a heist game. 2933 01:39:06,866 --> 01:39:08,066 To be fair, it looks kind of good, 2934 01:39:08,066 --> 01:39:09,633 actually, but it does. 2935 01:39:09,899 --> 01:39:10,766 But like you can't trust 2936 01:39:10,766 --> 01:39:12,066 Sony with live service games. 2937 01:39:12,066 --> 01:39:13,333 Remember, they tried to do a lot of 12 2938 01:39:13,333 --> 01:39:14,666 and like they all fail 2939 01:39:14,666 --> 01:39:16,166 except for hell divers to 2940 01:39:16,166 --> 01:39:20,133 make us money. Yeah. Money. 2941 01:39:20,533 --> 01:39:21,166 That's what they said. 2942 01:39:21,833 --> 01:39:23,133 And I'll say this. 2943 01:39:23,633 --> 01:39:25,766 I think that if you make 2944 01:39:26,733 --> 01:39:27,566 I mean, I don't know 2945 01:39:27,566 --> 01:39:28,733 what Sony's plan was, right? 2946 01:39:28,933 --> 01:39:32,266 But if I if my plan was like, oh, we 2947 01:39:32,266 --> 01:39:34,466 should be making 10 live service games. 2948 01:39:34,466 --> 01:39:35,933 The reason we're making 10 is because 2949 01:39:35,933 --> 01:39:37,966 like we think nine will fail. 2950 01:39:38,566 --> 01:39:39,500 Right. Like the point 2951 01:39:39,500 --> 01:39:41,066 is to get one to pop. 2952 01:39:41,766 --> 01:39:43,000 I don't know if hell divers to was the 2953 01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:44,433 one that they wanted to pop. 2954 01:39:44,433 --> 01:39:45,366 It's not I'm certainly 2955 01:39:45,366 --> 01:39:46,333 not the one they expect. 2956 01:39:46,333 --> 01:39:48,533 It's about just based 2957 01:39:48,533 --> 01:39:50,166 on how they behaved, 2958 01:39:50,866 --> 01:39:52,933 which is sad because it's such a good 2959 01:39:52,933 --> 01:39:54,633 game and the first one was really good 2960 01:39:54,633 --> 01:39:56,666 and had a strong following. 2961 01:39:57,166 --> 01:40:00,133 So I'm really tired of these gamble, 2962 01:40:00,366 --> 01:40:02,366 these gamblers that are at the top that 2963 01:40:02,366 --> 01:40:03,566 are like, we're going to gamble 2964 01:40:03,699 --> 01:40:06,466 instead of like, OK, you have plenty of 2965 01:40:06,466 --> 01:40:08,733 IP that will make you plenty of money. 2966 01:40:09,233 --> 01:40:11,266 But they want the pot at the top because 2967 01:40:11,266 --> 01:40:12,633 and I will tell you what, 2968 01:40:12,833 --> 01:40:13,600 I have worked with plenty 2969 01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:16,766 of CEOs in mid level startups 2970 01:40:17,133 --> 01:40:17,866 where they're like, you 2971 01:40:17,866 --> 01:40:18,899 know, hundreds of employees. 2972 01:40:19,133 --> 01:40:21,066 And that's how they think they would 2973 01:40:21,066 --> 01:40:23,066 rather gamble everything to get 2974 01:40:25,199 --> 01:40:26,266 to be the top dog because 2975 01:40:26,266 --> 01:40:27,266 they're very competitive. 2976 01:40:28,533 --> 01:40:29,933 Yeah. At the detriment of 2977 01:40:29,933 --> 01:40:31,199 people that get laid off. 2978 01:40:31,266 --> 01:40:32,766 Right. Of course. Right. 2979 01:40:33,633 --> 01:40:36,266 So yeah. So this 2980 01:40:36,266 --> 01:40:37,866 game's had troubled history. 2981 01:40:38,399 --> 01:40:39,399 They revealed a trailer. 2982 01:40:41,633 --> 01:40:43,133 And that was the only trade they have. 2983 01:40:44,233 --> 01:40:46,800 So Jade Redmond, Jade Redmond was one of 2984 01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:47,800 the founders of the studio, 2985 01:40:47,800 --> 01:40:50,500 but then she departed and now the game's 2986 01:40:50,500 --> 01:40:52,033 main director has departed as well. 2987 01:40:52,399 --> 01:40:54,066 And for our lives and for like if they 2988 01:40:54,066 --> 01:40:55,466 were like a single player game, 2989 01:40:55,833 --> 01:40:57,866 like they were like pretty done in 2990 01:40:57,866 --> 01:40:58,666 development, then a 2991 01:40:58,666 --> 01:40:59,566 game developer leaving 2992 01:41:00,066 --> 01:41:01,800 a game director leaving wouldn't be that 2993 01:41:01,800 --> 01:41:03,533 big of a deal, but a live service game 2994 01:41:04,266 --> 01:41:06,133 and the directors leaving, that's 2995 01:41:06,133 --> 01:41:07,366 probably going to be a problem. 2996 01:41:09,033 --> 01:41:14,133 Yeah. Yeah, I didn't know here. 2997 01:41:14,366 --> 01:41:16,300 It's I see fair games with no dollar 2998 01:41:16,300 --> 01:41:17,366 sign, but that oh, yeah, 2999 01:41:17,366 --> 01:41:19,033 there it is with the dollar sign. Yeah. 3000 01:41:19,933 --> 01:41:20,866 Yeah, I didn't know 3001 01:41:20,866 --> 01:41:21,966 anything about this game. 3002 01:41:22,633 --> 01:41:25,500 And Jade Raymond as a personality in 3003 01:41:25,500 --> 01:41:27,466 terms of like, oh, like if, you know, 3004 01:41:27,566 --> 01:41:29,500 what was it? Assassin's Creed is what she 3005 01:41:29,500 --> 01:41:31,433 was responsible for. 3006 01:41:31,433 --> 01:41:32,566 I like that's how she got her name. 3007 01:41:32,866 --> 01:41:34,066 Is that right? I 3008 01:41:34,066 --> 01:41:35,866 think I want to say, yeah. 3009 01:41:37,199 --> 01:41:39,199 And so like, as far 3010 01:41:39,199 --> 01:41:40,166 as I know, that was it. 3011 01:41:40,666 --> 01:41:42,933 I think it was Assassin's Creed. 3012 01:41:42,933 --> 01:41:43,800 And then that was it. And she 3013 01:41:43,800 --> 01:41:45,666 got a lot of like watchdogs. 3014 01:41:46,466 --> 01:41:47,766 Oh, is that what it was? 3015 01:41:48,233 --> 01:41:50,366 OK, that's that's two. 3016 01:41:50,633 --> 01:41:53,300 Yeah, that's yeah. Yeah. 3017 01:41:54,533 --> 01:41:55,566 She was the key roles of development 3018 01:41:55,566 --> 01:41:57,066 games like Assassin's Creed, Far 3019 01:41:57,066 --> 01:41:59,033 Cry, Star Wars, Battlefront II. Wait, 3020 01:41:59,066 --> 01:41:59,766 that's a number of 3021 01:41:59,766 --> 01:42:01,233 new one or the old one. 3022 01:42:01,233 --> 01:42:03,266 I don't know. The old one. New one. 3023 01:42:04,233 --> 01:42:05,100 Yeah, that's not 3024 01:42:05,100 --> 01:42:06,000 that's not a good testament. 3025 01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:09,466 Even though it's not that bad, it's just 3026 01:42:09,466 --> 01:42:12,466 they milked that dry. 3027 01:42:12,733 --> 01:42:14,666 They tried to since day one. OK, sorry. 3028 01:42:15,766 --> 01:42:18,233 You're good. But yeah, I don't. 3029 01:42:18,233 --> 01:42:19,133 This wasn't something I 3030 01:42:19,133 --> 01:42:20,666 was looking forward to. 3031 01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:23,066 I did. I did not have this on my radar. 3032 01:42:24,733 --> 01:42:25,899 Yeah, I don't know either. 3033 01:42:26,266 --> 01:42:27,033 I just want to talk 3034 01:42:27,033 --> 01:42:28,800 about it because well. 3035 01:42:30,933 --> 01:42:31,766 I played it if it was 3036 01:42:31,766 --> 01:42:34,266 like a sci fi counter strike. 3037 01:42:34,566 --> 01:42:36,100 It kind of looks like they have sci fi 3038 01:42:36,100 --> 01:42:38,699 like guns, but I'm not a heist person. 3039 01:42:40,100 --> 01:42:43,033 I don't care about heists per se, unless 3040 01:42:43,033 --> 01:42:44,266 it's like maybe a counter strike 3041 01:42:44,266 --> 01:42:48,699 where kind of esque thing. But yeah. 3042 01:42:50,166 --> 01:42:53,066 Yeah, what I do care about, though, is 3043 01:42:54,199 --> 01:42:56,466 Unreal Engine 5 and all the hate it gets 3044 01:42:56,466 --> 01:42:58,300 sometimes because that's the one I use. 3045 01:43:01,600 --> 01:43:03,633 Yeah, Tim Sweeney. Oh, my gosh, this 3046 01:43:05,266 --> 01:43:06,600 so excited. 3047 01:43:08,033 --> 01:43:10,899 Maybe maybe Unreal Engine 3048 01:43:10,899 --> 01:43:12,366 5 isn't to blame after all. 3049 01:43:12,366 --> 01:43:13,466 Tim Sweeney says devs are 3050 01:43:13,466 --> 01:43:15,066 to blame, which I agree. 3051 01:43:16,766 --> 01:43:17,266 Devs know. 3052 01:43:19,399 --> 01:43:20,733 This is interesting. Hi, 3053 01:43:20,733 --> 01:43:21,833 Tech. What is your take on this? 3054 01:43:22,600 --> 01:43:25,433 Oh, so when most people say, oh, don't 3055 01:43:25,433 --> 01:43:26,833 use Unreal 5, it's 3056 01:43:26,833 --> 01:43:27,866 going to run like shit. 3057 01:43:27,866 --> 01:43:29,133 Most gamers don't know what the fuck 3058 01:43:29,133 --> 01:43:30,000 they're talking about. 3059 01:43:30,566 --> 01:43:31,366 And then it's just 3060 01:43:31,366 --> 01:43:32,833 that underlying software. 3061 01:43:32,833 --> 01:43:34,033 At the end of the day, it's the 3062 01:43:34,033 --> 01:43:34,466 developers 3063 01:43:34,466 --> 01:43:36,066 responsibility to make games run well, 3064 01:43:36,066 --> 01:43:36,933 because there are 3065 01:43:37,866 --> 01:43:40,333 UE5 games that run well on like low end 3066 01:43:40,333 --> 01:43:41,566 hardware like the Steam Deck, like 3067 01:43:41,566 --> 01:43:42,933 I think the newest Gears 3068 01:43:42,933 --> 01:43:44,633 of War remaster or remake. 3069 01:43:45,699 --> 01:43:46,699 That's on Unreal 5, right? 3070 01:43:48,166 --> 01:43:49,866 So Unreal 4 or 5. But 3071 01:43:49,866 --> 01:43:50,733 yeah, I'll look it up. 3072 01:43:51,433 --> 01:43:54,500 Yeah, like even like even Unreal 4 games 3073 01:43:54,500 --> 01:43:56,766 can run like shit like Lost Soul Aside. 3074 01:43:57,366 --> 01:43:58,466 But it was one that kind of looks like 3075 01:43:58,466 --> 01:44:01,266 that kind of looks like Final Fantasy 15. 3076 01:44:02,666 --> 01:44:05,033 Runs like crap on a lot of hardware, 3077 01:44:05,033 --> 01:44:07,066 despite not being an Unreal 5 game 3078 01:44:07,066 --> 01:44:08,533 instead being Unreal 4. 3079 01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:13,133 I could be also a lot of game companies 3080 01:44:13,133 --> 01:44:14,433 standardizing into Unreal 3081 01:44:14,566 --> 01:44:16,333 and maybe their teams aren't used to it 3082 01:44:16,333 --> 01:44:16,800 because they're used 3083 01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:17,699 to a different engine. 3084 01:44:18,199 --> 01:44:19,966 Could be partially that. It could be 3085 01:44:21,199 --> 01:44:23,466 maybe just how game companies 3086 01:44:25,433 --> 01:44:27,366 they fuck over like so many developers 3087 01:44:27,366 --> 01:44:30,699 and their talent pool is lower. 3088 01:44:32,033 --> 01:44:32,866 There's so much stuff 3089 01:44:32,866 --> 01:44:33,800 that goes into all this. 3090 01:44:33,800 --> 01:44:35,633 Like Unity, you can make a bad game or a 3091 01:44:35,633 --> 01:44:37,133 good game with any like Unity 3092 01:44:37,133 --> 01:44:39,866 and any of these game engines. It's just. 3093 01:44:40,533 --> 01:44:41,899 Honestly, if you want to 3094 01:44:41,899 --> 01:44:42,800 be a software developer, 3095 01:44:43,333 --> 01:44:44,733 you probably want to steer far away from 3096 01:44:44,733 --> 01:44:46,600 the games industry for job security. 3097 01:44:47,733 --> 01:44:48,833 Like I'm not saying that. 3098 01:44:49,266 --> 01:44:52,433 I'm not saying that those industries are 3099 01:44:52,433 --> 01:44:54,199 into layoffs and whatnot. 3100 01:44:54,966 --> 01:44:56,466 But I think it'd be a lot safer if I were 3101 01:44:56,466 --> 01:44:57,233 like a software developer 3102 01:44:57,233 --> 01:44:58,500 like a banking company 3103 01:44:58,500 --> 01:45:00,366 instead of like EA or whatever. 3104 01:45:01,000 --> 01:45:01,966 It's a lot safer. 3105 01:45:03,166 --> 01:45:04,566 That's why I went the route I went 3106 01:45:04,566 --> 01:45:06,366 because I do games on the side. 3107 01:45:06,366 --> 01:45:07,333 I like I have a bill. 3108 01:45:07,333 --> 01:45:09,833 I'm building a game, but I just couldn't 3109 01:45:09,833 --> 01:45:11,966 enter the field full time. 3110 01:45:13,533 --> 01:45:14,366 I yeah, I just looked 3111 01:45:14,366 --> 01:45:15,133 it up. Unreal Engine 3112 01:45:15,333 --> 01:45:19,533 and Gears of War is using UE3, 3113 01:45:20,466 --> 01:45:21,766 but it's massively upgraded. 3114 01:45:22,600 --> 01:45:24,199 The the remaster, the 3115 01:45:24,199 --> 01:45:26,166 remake is the three. Yes. 3116 01:45:26,633 --> 01:45:27,966 Is even a remake at that point. 3117 01:45:27,966 --> 01:45:30,033 I don't know. They went really weird. 3118 01:45:30,033 --> 01:45:31,333 I think it's a really not a true. 3119 01:45:31,800 --> 01:45:33,033 It's a remaster then. 3120 01:45:33,066 --> 01:45:35,800 OK, because that's the engine they use. 3121 01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:36,600 That's why I was thinking 3122 01:45:36,600 --> 01:45:38,000 for maybe even the original. 3123 01:45:38,133 --> 01:45:39,133 That's the engine they use for the 3124 01:45:39,133 --> 01:45:41,933 original one. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah. 3125 01:45:43,333 --> 01:45:44,233 I think why it runs so 3126 01:45:44,233 --> 01:45:46,366 well, I think even then 3127 01:45:46,833 --> 01:45:50,800 you three had a bit of a floor to it 3128 01:45:50,800 --> 01:45:52,800 where like, you know, 3129 01:45:52,800 --> 01:45:54,800 you needed a certain level of machine for 3130 01:45:54,800 --> 01:45:56,533 you not to get like the streaming. 3131 01:45:56,866 --> 01:45:58,333 You remember the texture streaming where 3132 01:45:58,333 --> 01:46:00,066 like your character would load in 3133 01:46:00,399 --> 01:46:01,866 before the textures would load in. 3134 01:46:01,866 --> 01:46:02,833 And that was a little bit weird. 3135 01:46:03,266 --> 01:46:04,899 So like there was like a floor of like 3136 01:46:04,899 --> 01:46:06,633 what sort of machine you needed 3137 01:46:07,633 --> 01:46:10,466 to to run a. 3138 01:46:11,466 --> 01:46:12,866 Baseline what you would 3139 01:46:12,866 --> 01:46:14,266 expect from UE3 at the time, 3140 01:46:14,266 --> 01:46:15,233 could you optimize it further? 3141 01:46:15,600 --> 01:46:16,733 Sure. But what you would 3142 01:46:16,733 --> 01:46:18,433 expect out of UE3 at the time. 3143 01:46:18,433 --> 01:46:19,133 And I think it's pretty 3144 01:46:19,133 --> 01:46:20,399 similar for UE5, right? 3145 01:46:20,399 --> 01:46:22,833 Like there are features like ray tracing 3146 01:46:22,833 --> 01:46:24,000 that we were just talking about 3147 01:46:24,866 --> 01:46:28,500 that benefit from having UE5. 3148 01:46:29,366 --> 01:46:30,433 But then that means that 3149 01:46:30,433 --> 01:46:31,333 maybe low end machines, 3150 01:46:31,366 --> 01:46:32,433 you're going to need to 3151 01:46:32,433 --> 01:46:34,966 work harder than in the past. 3152 01:46:35,033 --> 01:46:36,533 You might have had to work with say, 3153 01:46:37,033 --> 01:46:38,566 I like to reference 3154 01:46:38,566 --> 01:46:39,600 like criterion, right? 3155 01:46:39,600 --> 01:46:40,466 Like criterion was one of 3156 01:46:40,466 --> 01:46:41,866 those engines was a criterion. 3157 01:46:43,366 --> 01:46:45,699 With like engine. No. 3158 01:46:45,699 --> 01:46:47,466 Oh, the criteria. Yeah, I 3159 01:46:47,466 --> 01:46:48,699 think. Yeah, I think you're right. 3160 01:46:48,699 --> 01:46:49,966 I think they use renderware. 3161 01:46:50,833 --> 01:46:53,266 Yes. Criterion, I think, was the company 3162 01:46:53,266 --> 01:46:54,199 that made renderware. 3163 01:46:54,199 --> 01:46:54,833 I think it was. I think 3164 01:46:54,833 --> 01:46:55,666 you're right. It's renderware. 3165 01:46:56,066 --> 01:46:57,800 And that was just one of those engines 3166 01:46:57,800 --> 01:46:59,433 that likes at least seemingly 3167 01:47:00,433 --> 01:47:03,000 worked really well on like low end 3168 01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:05,166 hardware, not PCs at the time. 3169 01:47:05,166 --> 01:47:07,033 But like, you know, it just it looked it 3170 01:47:07,033 --> 01:47:08,533 made PS2 games look good. 3171 01:47:08,933 --> 01:47:10,500 And then you could also run it on Xbox 3172 01:47:10,500 --> 01:47:11,899 and it looked good on an Xbox. 3173 01:47:12,233 --> 01:47:14,266 It would run on GameCube and 3174 01:47:14,266 --> 01:47:15,300 it looked good on GameCube. 3175 01:47:15,300 --> 01:47:17,066 It looked good for each of those systems. 3176 01:47:17,500 --> 01:47:19,366 And so like scaled really well. 3177 01:47:19,366 --> 01:47:21,233 And I don't know why that was the case. 3178 01:47:22,399 --> 01:47:24,866 And I think you it seems like 3179 01:47:24,866 --> 01:47:26,066 you need to put in more work 3180 01:47:26,066 --> 01:47:28,766 to make UE5 scale down, not 3181 01:47:28,766 --> 01:47:29,833 to scale up, but to scale it. 3182 01:47:30,433 --> 01:47:33,699 I this is a big part of it, too, though. 3183 01:47:34,733 --> 01:47:36,166 Lumen, I think they get to 3184 01:47:36,166 --> 01:47:37,766 there's too many shiny tools 3185 01:47:37,766 --> 01:47:39,433 that they want to include in the games. 3186 01:47:40,233 --> 01:47:43,600 Lumen Nanite and some other stuff 3187 01:47:45,033 --> 01:47:49,000 that if overused can heavily 3188 01:47:49,233 --> 01:47:52,633 yeah, disrupt your performance or of 3189 01:47:52,633 --> 01:47:55,066 underused, too, if you don't optimize it. 3190 01:47:55,066 --> 01:47:56,833 Lumens, Lumens and a lot of the stuff 3191 01:47:56,833 --> 01:47:57,833 actually has optimization 3192 01:47:58,633 --> 01:48:00,266 for different 3193 01:48:03,366 --> 01:48:05,833 levels of hardware. 3194 01:48:06,500 --> 01:48:08,800 And so I honestly, I 3195 01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:09,666 think it's a skill issue. 3196 01:48:11,666 --> 01:48:14,233 Yeah, well, I mean, if you're like. 3197 01:48:15,666 --> 01:48:16,866 Now, I'm not going to 3198 01:48:16,866 --> 01:48:17,500 say that, never mind. 3199 01:48:18,966 --> 01:48:20,500 I do. I do think that 3200 01:48:20,500 --> 01:48:22,033 like you're going to have it. 3201 01:48:22,033 --> 01:48:23,966 If you give an engineer Unreal Engine 4, 3202 01:48:24,466 --> 01:48:25,366 you're going to get something that's 3203 01:48:25,366 --> 01:48:26,033 going to perform better. 3204 01:48:26,566 --> 01:48:28,766 But Unreal Engine 5 is very powerful. 3205 01:48:29,666 --> 01:48:30,466 And some people are going to say it 3206 01:48:30,466 --> 01:48:31,733 doesn't look as good, whatever. 3207 01:48:32,133 --> 01:48:35,366 Yeah, you can royally screw yourself over 3208 01:48:35,366 --> 01:48:36,533 by having too many assets 3209 01:48:37,066 --> 01:48:39,100 in the world rendering if 3210 01:48:39,100 --> 01:48:40,766 you do not limit that render. 3211 01:48:41,333 --> 01:48:42,933 And it could look like garbage, but you 3212 01:48:42,933 --> 01:48:43,733 could have too many like. 3213 01:48:45,300 --> 01:48:48,766 So what Tim Sweeney said in regards to 3214 01:48:48,766 --> 01:48:50,433 this is that a lot of developers 3215 01:48:50,566 --> 01:48:53,766 like the for the high end and then, you 3216 01:48:53,766 --> 01:48:55,366 know, the low end stuff is really 3217 01:48:56,566 --> 01:48:58,633 in the back burner like they 3218 01:48:58,633 --> 01:48:59,866 save that stuff for last one. 3219 01:48:59,866 --> 01:49:02,366 Really, the entire development process 3220 01:49:02,366 --> 01:49:03,766 needs to change as a whole. 3221 01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:05,166 Like the development suite. 3222 01:49:05,166 --> 01:49:06,166 And this was a unreal. 3223 01:49:06,733 --> 01:49:09,100 This was in this was a fest, a fest 3224 01:49:09,100 --> 01:49:10,266 keynote in South Korea. 3225 01:49:10,533 --> 01:49:11,766 Like, look, there's a quote right there. 3226 01:49:12,199 --> 01:49:13,833 Many studios built for top two hardware 3227 01:49:13,833 --> 01:49:15,166 first, then leave optimization, 3228 01:49:15,399 --> 01:49:16,666 low spec testing for the end. 3229 01:49:16,666 --> 01:49:18,866 Ideally, optimization should begin early 3230 01:49:18,866 --> 01:49:21,166 before full content build out. 3231 01:49:21,399 --> 01:49:22,766 We are doing two things, 3232 01:49:23,033 --> 01:49:24,233 strengthening engine support 3233 01:49:24,300 --> 01:49:26,300 with more automated optimization across 3234 01:49:26,300 --> 01:49:29,033 devices and expanding developer 3235 01:49:29,033 --> 01:49:30,633 education, so optimize 3236 01:49:30,633 --> 01:49:32,266 early becomes standard practice. 3237 01:49:32,266 --> 01:49:33,133 If needed, our develop 3238 01:49:33,133 --> 01:49:34,433 our engineers can step in. 3239 01:49:34,633 --> 01:49:36,199 So essentially what he's saying is. 3240 01:49:37,600 --> 01:49:39,633 They are offering more 3241 01:49:39,633 --> 01:49:41,133 education to developers 3242 01:49:41,266 --> 01:49:42,800 to change the way they might be 3243 01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:44,233 developing, because I think 3244 01:49:44,833 --> 01:49:47,566 I think traditional game development 3245 01:49:47,566 --> 01:49:50,633 wisdom was usually build your game 3246 01:49:50,633 --> 01:49:52,066 up first and optimize later, right? 3247 01:49:54,300 --> 01:49:56,966 I think which one, but I think there's 3248 01:49:56,966 --> 01:49:58,166 like from what I've seen, 3249 01:49:58,166 --> 01:49:59,733 there's good reason for that. 3250 01:50:00,066 --> 01:50:01,933 I understand, I think what I'm saying. 3251 01:50:03,033 --> 01:50:04,066 There's a lot on back, right? 3252 01:50:04,066 --> 01:50:06,133 So like, first of all, he continues to 3253 01:50:06,133 --> 01:50:08,266 say, does as we've been saying. 3254 01:50:08,866 --> 01:50:12,233 But if let's let's just say if optimizing 3255 01:50:12,233 --> 01:50:13,966 late is the right approach, 3256 01:50:14,533 --> 01:50:16,966 then I think the blame would probably lie 3257 01:50:16,966 --> 01:50:18,233 with the suits, right? 3258 01:50:18,233 --> 01:50:20,333 Like the publishers in terms of like we 3259 01:50:20,333 --> 01:50:22,033 if we should be optimizing late, 3260 01:50:22,233 --> 01:50:23,166 we should leave. 3261 01:50:23,633 --> 01:50:24,733 We should make sure that we are 3262 01:50:24,733 --> 01:50:25,399 addressing that at 3263 01:50:25,399 --> 01:50:26,066 the end of the schedule. 3264 01:50:26,466 --> 01:50:27,733 And what's likely happening is that the 3265 01:50:27,733 --> 01:50:28,566 publishers are like, oh, 3266 01:50:28,566 --> 01:50:30,233 you've got it working well enough. 3267 01:50:31,166 --> 01:50:32,800 Let's let's release it. Right. 3268 01:50:33,633 --> 01:50:34,833 It could be both. 3269 01:50:35,699 --> 01:50:38,199 When you're so in like web development, 3270 01:50:39,033 --> 01:50:41,033 the best take is to optimize for the 3271 01:50:41,033 --> 01:50:44,033 hardest screen size, let's say. 3272 01:50:44,033 --> 01:50:47,500 So you usually want to do mobile first. 3273 01:50:48,033 --> 01:50:49,100 And so it works on mobile. 3274 01:50:49,100 --> 01:50:50,266 Then you expand it out and 3275 01:50:50,266 --> 01:50:51,100 see how it works on desktop 3276 01:50:51,233 --> 01:50:52,133 and everything like that. 3277 01:50:53,199 --> 01:50:54,333 This is kind of similar. 3278 01:50:54,533 --> 01:50:56,133 You want to you can 3279 01:50:56,133 --> 01:50:57,566 run it at a higher end. 3280 01:50:57,899 --> 01:50:58,500 That's fine. 3281 01:50:58,966 --> 01:51:00,733 But you need to be doing check ins 3282 01:51:01,600 --> 01:51:03,433 more frequently on low end 3283 01:51:03,433 --> 01:51:05,399 hardware and see and profile it 3284 01:51:05,399 --> 01:51:07,033 and see what assets are 3285 01:51:07,033 --> 01:51:08,399 what needs to be optimized. 3286 01:51:08,399 --> 01:51:09,033 Because if you don't if 3287 01:51:09,033 --> 01:51:09,899 you catch that at the end, 3288 01:51:10,266 --> 01:51:11,133 you're going to be doing 3289 01:51:11,133 --> 01:51:13,699 tons of rework of optimization. 3290 01:51:14,033 --> 01:51:15,133 Is it ton of work? 3291 01:51:15,399 --> 01:51:17,433 Yeah. As I always understood it, the 3292 01:51:17,433 --> 01:51:20,333 reason why optimizing came at the end 3293 01:51:20,366 --> 01:51:22,399 was like it had a lot 3294 01:51:22,399 --> 01:51:23,199 more to do with memory. 3295 01:51:23,399 --> 01:51:23,866 Right. Like how are 3296 01:51:23,866 --> 01:51:24,933 you mapping the memory? 3297 01:51:24,933 --> 01:51:25,833 Where are you using that? 3298 01:51:25,833 --> 01:51:26,399 So like when are you 3299 01:51:26,399 --> 01:51:27,600 going to allocate the memory? 3300 01:51:28,399 --> 01:51:29,533 And then where when are you 3301 01:51:29,533 --> 01:51:30,333 going to free that memory? 3302 01:51:30,333 --> 01:51:32,466 Because you want to keep as large of an 3303 01:51:32,466 --> 01:51:33,366 allocation as possible 3304 01:51:33,366 --> 01:51:34,666 and then just like not 3305 01:51:34,666 --> 01:51:36,433 not actually free it. Right. 3306 01:51:36,866 --> 01:51:38,600 But like that memory that you allocated, 3307 01:51:38,600 --> 01:51:40,633 I'm going to now use that for this object 3308 01:51:40,633 --> 01:51:41,500 rather than the object 3309 01:51:41,500 --> 01:51:42,699 that I did use it for. 3310 01:51:43,766 --> 01:51:45,300 That's probably less of a concern now. 3311 01:51:45,633 --> 01:51:47,899 That definitely was a 3312 01:51:47,899 --> 01:51:50,133 thing back in the 90s, 80s. 3313 01:51:50,766 --> 01:51:54,533 70s even where memory was very limited. 3314 01:51:54,933 --> 01:51:57,633 And so you needed to release textures and 3315 01:51:57,633 --> 01:51:58,466 stuff like that potentially. 3316 01:51:58,933 --> 01:52:00,366 Honestly, probably not in the 70s. 3317 01:52:00,899 --> 01:52:04,066 But nowadays, there's a lot 3318 01:52:04,066 --> 01:52:06,333 of tools for rendering distance 3319 01:52:06,466 --> 01:52:08,833 and doing a lot of stuff that needs to 3320 01:52:08,833 --> 01:52:12,399 come into play for devices and stuff. 3321 01:52:12,766 --> 01:52:14,266 So I don't know. I 3322 01:52:14,266 --> 01:52:15,033 think the tooling is there. 3323 01:52:15,033 --> 01:52:17,933 I actually like what Swinney said. 3324 01:52:18,633 --> 01:52:20,066 I think this is a good approach. 3325 01:52:20,166 --> 01:52:21,866 I think he's at least recognizing it 3326 01:52:21,866 --> 01:52:24,666 that, hey, we're building out some tools. 3327 01:52:25,033 --> 01:52:26,133 I think they should have done it sooner 3328 01:52:26,133 --> 01:52:28,766 personally to make it 3329 01:52:28,766 --> 01:52:30,866 so that the developers are 3330 01:52:30,866 --> 01:52:32,800 more aware and also education. 3331 01:52:34,733 --> 01:52:36,600 We didn't have some of those tools and 3332 01:52:36,600 --> 01:52:37,666 some of the other engines. 3333 01:52:38,233 --> 01:52:39,066 And so I still think 3334 01:52:39,066 --> 01:52:40,266 it's a little bit of a. 3335 01:52:42,233 --> 01:52:43,733 What did they used to do before this? 3336 01:52:44,133 --> 01:52:47,233 But having tooling to help you with this 3337 01:52:47,233 --> 01:52:47,933 is going to be a very 3338 01:52:47,933 --> 01:52:48,666 big help, hopefully. 3339 01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:50,100 So we'll see. 3340 01:52:50,433 --> 01:52:52,966 It's also a matter of scale, right? 3341 01:52:53,166 --> 01:52:55,133 Like there's a lot of games out there 3342 01:52:55,133 --> 01:52:57,466 that are like we have to push our game 3343 01:52:57,866 --> 01:52:59,199 to the max and it has 3344 01:52:59,199 --> 01:53:00,333 to include everything. 3345 01:53:00,633 --> 01:53:02,366 And it has to, you know, in order for 3346 01:53:02,366 --> 01:53:03,866 marketing and whatever. 3347 01:53:04,699 --> 01:53:05,399 And so they're they're 3348 01:53:05,399 --> 01:53:07,399 they're like putting the cart 3349 01:53:07,433 --> 01:53:09,100 before the horse in a lot of instances 3350 01:53:09,100 --> 01:53:11,166 where it's like games like 3351 01:53:11,733 --> 01:53:13,699 Silksong have proven that you don't have 3352 01:53:13,699 --> 01:53:14,666 to be the most graphically 3353 01:53:14,666 --> 01:53:16,500 demanding thing to be the most popular 3354 01:53:16,500 --> 01:53:17,466 game of the week or 3355 01:53:17,466 --> 01:53:18,233 the month of the quarter. 3356 01:53:19,199 --> 01:53:22,933 So, you know, there's also like that 3357 01:53:22,933 --> 01:53:24,266 aspect of it, too, because 3358 01:53:24,933 --> 01:53:26,199 I think the games industry has kind of 3359 01:53:26,199 --> 01:53:27,433 painted itself into a corner 3360 01:53:27,433 --> 01:53:30,533 when it comes to like the setting 3361 01:53:30,533 --> 01:53:31,899 expectations for gamers. 3362 01:53:31,899 --> 01:53:34,066 And you have to have like the biggest 3363 01:53:34,066 --> 01:53:35,633 hype train and you have to build, 3364 01:53:35,966 --> 01:53:37,699 you know, the most anticipation, you have 3365 01:53:37,699 --> 01:53:38,800 to have the best graphics. 3366 01:53:39,433 --> 01:53:40,633 And when it comes right down 3367 01:53:40,633 --> 01:53:42,699 to gaming is supposed to be fun. 3368 01:53:43,066 --> 01:53:45,266 And the rest of that stuff should come 3369 01:53:45,266 --> 01:53:47,600 after you find the fun and play the game. 3370 01:53:48,199 --> 01:53:50,399 At whatever scale it should be at. 3371 01:53:51,899 --> 01:53:54,533 I think they're fixing. 3372 01:53:55,166 --> 01:53:56,199 I don't know. I don't 3373 01:53:56,199 --> 01:53:56,866 know if they're fixing it. 3374 01:53:56,866 --> 01:53:57,933 The problem is at the top, 3375 01:53:57,933 --> 01:54:00,333 though. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 3376 01:54:02,100 --> 01:54:04,133 I would love for developers to go back to 3377 01:54:04,133 --> 01:54:05,433 make smaller scale games, 3378 01:54:05,433 --> 01:54:06,833 because honestly, those end up being the 3379 01:54:06,833 --> 01:54:07,699 more memorable ones. 3380 01:54:08,233 --> 01:54:09,266 But at the same time, though, 3381 01:54:09,733 --> 01:54:10,566 who's going to tell the suits 3382 01:54:10,566 --> 01:54:11,566 that people don't want? 3383 01:54:12,466 --> 01:54:14,000 Super high, super hyper realistic 3384 01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:16,500 graphics with like open worlds. 3385 01:54:17,866 --> 01:54:21,100 A billion collectibles, a billion quests. 3386 01:54:21,500 --> 01:54:22,966 I think I think we're 3387 01:54:22,966 --> 01:54:24,266 slowly getting back to that. 3388 01:54:25,233 --> 01:54:27,733 Of course, yeah. EA and Take Two and 3389 01:54:27,733 --> 01:54:29,433 whoever are going to be 3390 01:54:29,600 --> 01:54:30,833 be how they're going to be. 3391 01:54:32,033 --> 01:54:34,466 So that that's whatever they want to do. 3392 01:54:34,633 --> 01:54:36,033 But if you know the ones that are that 3393 01:54:36,033 --> 01:54:37,533 are blowing up, like the clear obscures, 3394 01:54:37,800 --> 01:54:39,699 obviously, so we were just talking about 3395 01:54:39,699 --> 01:54:41,166 like those are smaller scale. 3396 01:54:41,366 --> 01:54:43,166 And I think we're going to see more of 3397 01:54:43,166 --> 01:54:44,833 those being the games that like 3398 01:54:45,366 --> 01:54:46,899 not just that we see at the Game of the 3399 01:54:46,899 --> 01:54:48,133 Year Awards and things like that, 3400 01:54:48,133 --> 01:54:50,666 but that are are actually 3401 01:54:50,666 --> 01:54:51,866 like the ones that people buy 3402 01:54:51,866 --> 01:54:52,833 and the ones that people play. 3403 01:54:53,466 --> 01:54:55,466 Also, I do want to point out, I agree 3404 01:54:55,466 --> 01:54:56,433 with you, James, that like 3405 01:54:56,633 --> 01:54:57,766 I think this is the right 3406 01:54:57,766 --> 01:54:58,766 approach, right? Like Tim. 3407 01:55:00,800 --> 01:55:03,466 It sounds like Dev blaming, and that's 3408 01:55:03,466 --> 01:55:05,166 not necessarily how I took it. 3409 01:55:05,866 --> 01:55:09,800 It was more so that they need to be 3410 01:55:10,166 --> 01:55:12,366 do a good job of educating the developers 3411 01:55:12,366 --> 01:55:14,333 on pros and cons of certain things. 3412 01:55:14,566 --> 01:55:18,366 But also offering their own services to 3413 01:55:18,366 --> 01:55:19,333 help the developers, 3414 01:55:19,766 --> 01:55:21,066 because at the end of the day, this is 3415 01:55:21,066 --> 01:55:23,033 their engine and they should be 3416 01:55:24,133 --> 01:55:25,100 disseminating that 3417 01:55:25,100 --> 01:55:26,333 knowledge as best as possible. 3418 01:55:27,366 --> 01:55:28,199 Yeah, they should making 3419 01:55:28,199 --> 01:55:29,899 it as easy as possible. 3420 01:55:31,433 --> 01:55:32,833 And it definitely is a synergy thing. 3421 01:55:33,100 --> 01:55:34,533 Like if you want a market 3422 01:55:34,533 --> 01:55:37,233 share, Tim, you got to make sure 3423 01:55:37,233 --> 01:55:38,600 it's easier for the developers. 3424 01:55:39,033 --> 01:55:41,966 But what I've been saying for years on 3425 01:55:41,966 --> 01:55:43,266 this Unreal 5 thing, it is 3426 01:55:43,333 --> 01:55:47,333 a dev issue first and then a little bit 3427 01:55:47,333 --> 01:55:48,699 of the Unreal Engine 5, 3428 01:55:48,699 --> 01:55:49,633 just being a little bit. 3429 01:55:50,233 --> 01:55:52,199 They put a lot of tools in and didn't 3430 01:55:52,199 --> 01:55:53,800 tell you not to use it at times. 3431 01:55:53,800 --> 01:55:54,533 They used marketing 3432 01:55:54,533 --> 01:55:55,433 to tell you to use it. 3433 01:55:55,766 --> 01:55:57,600 So I also think there's marketing from 3434 01:55:57,600 --> 01:55:59,800 all sorts of, you know, 3435 01:55:59,800 --> 01:56:02,166 sales marketing, everything is partially 3436 01:56:02,166 --> 01:56:03,100 to blame for all this. 3437 01:56:04,533 --> 01:56:06,133 To kind of like put 3438 01:56:07,866 --> 01:56:10,366 to kind of like end this out, like build 3439 01:56:10,366 --> 01:56:11,533 the game that's right for you. 3440 01:56:11,566 --> 01:56:13,899 If it's a side scroller, you just need to 3441 01:56:13,899 --> 01:56:14,866 be the most beautiful thing 3442 01:56:14,866 --> 01:56:15,433 that needs to have 3443 01:56:15,433 --> 01:56:17,133 every piece of tech in it. 3444 01:56:17,600 --> 01:56:19,666 But for me, like some horror games, I'm 3445 01:56:19,666 --> 01:56:21,433 like, yeah, throw all the tech into it. 3446 01:56:21,433 --> 01:56:23,000 I will buy that thing if it looks 3447 01:56:23,000 --> 01:56:24,899 beautiful and gruesome. 3448 01:56:25,466 --> 01:56:28,433 I will get it. But know your audience and 3449 01:56:28,433 --> 01:56:29,633 don't let and we see 3450 01:56:30,066 --> 01:56:32,866 see execs or like higher up execs stop 3451 01:56:32,866 --> 01:56:34,166 getting in the way of some of this. 3452 01:56:34,466 --> 01:56:36,666 You cannot market your 3453 01:56:36,666 --> 01:56:37,566 way out of a bad game. 3454 01:56:38,366 --> 01:56:40,399 Mm hmm. 3455 01:56:40,433 --> 01:56:42,433 That's unless you put massive online 3456 01:56:42,433 --> 01:56:43,333 multiplayer into it. 3457 01:56:43,333 --> 01:56:45,000 And then you can just throw 3458 01:56:45,000 --> 01:56:46,433 it about the game is good. 3459 01:56:46,433 --> 01:56:48,033 It's about the game sells well. 3460 01:56:49,066 --> 01:56:51,033 Well, you know what 3461 01:56:51,033 --> 01:56:51,966 game is going to sell well? 3462 01:56:53,466 --> 01:56:55,033 GTA six. You want to know why? 3463 01:56:55,600 --> 01:56:57,533 Because it's GTA because it's online. 3464 01:56:58,399 --> 01:57:00,199 Because it's got that penta. 3465 01:57:01,399 --> 01:57:03,533 It's a penta. 3466 01:57:04,133 --> 01:57:05,866 And I've been waiting 3467 01:57:05,866 --> 01:57:07,233 for the first penta game. 3468 01:57:08,300 --> 01:57:09,600 Damn, we only just got 3469 01:57:09,600 --> 01:57:11,533 quadruple a games last year. 3470 01:57:11,533 --> 01:57:12,966 I mean, two years ago. 3471 01:57:13,666 --> 01:57:14,466 Thanks to myself. 3472 01:57:15,366 --> 01:57:16,666 Yeah. What was a what? 3473 01:57:17,066 --> 01:57:18,266 See if these come out like 3474 01:57:18,266 --> 01:57:19,666 last year or the year before. 3475 01:57:20,033 --> 01:57:20,466 I don't remember. 3476 01:57:21,000 --> 01:57:22,733 That wasn't the quadruple a 3477 01:57:22,733 --> 01:57:23,800 game that you're thinking. 3478 01:57:24,066 --> 01:57:25,566 It was see if these 3479 01:57:25,566 --> 01:57:26,733 was the Microsoft one. 3480 01:57:26,966 --> 01:57:27,833 Oh, yeah. 3481 01:57:28,466 --> 01:57:29,266 I get those two computers. 3482 01:57:29,533 --> 01:57:31,733 I'm thinking of now I can't remember. 3483 01:57:32,199 --> 01:57:32,866 That's it. 3484 01:57:33,566 --> 01:57:37,466 Yeah, that was the first 3485 01:57:37,466 --> 01:57:40,466 quadruple a and it did not do well. 3486 01:57:40,733 --> 01:57:42,466 It's it's silly to try to do like 3487 01:57:42,466 --> 01:57:43,766 honestly, these titles, 3488 01:57:43,800 --> 01:57:45,633 I think are just more for 3489 01:57:47,133 --> 01:57:50,466 gotcha, like sensationalism. 3490 01:57:50,699 --> 01:57:52,733 But just to give a little context, 3491 01:57:53,233 --> 01:57:54,666 devolver digital co-founder 3492 01:57:55,000 --> 01:57:57,766 Nigel has basically declared Grant of 3493 01:57:57,766 --> 01:57:59,933 auto six as a whole new beast, 3494 01:58:00,033 --> 01:58:02,633 calling it a penta kill of 3495 01:58:02,633 --> 01:58:04,133 title, you know, of a game. 3496 01:58:04,866 --> 01:58:06,833 And that's gaming lingo for 3497 01:58:06,833 --> 01:58:09,166 beyond triple a kind of stuff. 3498 01:58:10,733 --> 01:58:14,899 But so if it's Nigel Lowry from Devolver 3499 01:58:14,899 --> 01:58:16,566 Digital, is this like tongue in cheek? 3500 01:58:16,833 --> 01:58:17,399 Or is he serious? 3501 01:58:17,399 --> 01:58:18,833 That's how I take it. Yeah. 3502 01:58:19,233 --> 01:58:20,666 I think that I think the 3503 01:58:20,666 --> 01:58:23,333 penta is tongue in cheek. 3504 01:58:23,333 --> 01:58:25,333 But I think the part where the entire 3505 01:58:25,333 --> 01:58:26,833 games industry is trying to hide from it, 3506 01:58:26,833 --> 01:58:27,966 like a nuclear blast. 3507 01:58:28,566 --> 01:58:29,066 That's real. 3508 01:58:29,833 --> 01:58:32,133 And this is the vulva is the company 3509 01:58:32,133 --> 01:58:34,100 that's been advertising 3510 01:58:34,266 --> 01:58:36,133 that they're going to release a game on 3511 01:58:36,133 --> 01:58:37,833 GTA six release date. 3512 01:58:38,100 --> 01:58:41,166 Are they? Yeah, I believe that's them. 3513 01:58:41,199 --> 01:58:44,233 There's there's a you know, I don't want 3514 01:58:44,233 --> 01:58:45,333 to say indie publisher, 3515 01:58:45,333 --> 01:58:46,833 but you know what I mean, like like 3516 01:58:46,833 --> 01:58:49,000 larger indie publisher like the vulva is. 3517 01:58:49,333 --> 01:58:50,266 That's been saying they're going to 3518 01:58:50,266 --> 01:58:52,000 release a day, a game on 3519 01:58:52,000 --> 01:58:53,133 the same day as GTA six. 3520 01:58:53,366 --> 01:58:56,133 And then when the GTA six release date 3521 01:58:56,133 --> 01:58:57,733 got delayed, they're like, don't worry. 3522 01:58:57,766 --> 01:58:59,666 It may it might not be the same game, but 3523 01:58:59,666 --> 01:59:01,666 we're still going to release a game 3524 01:59:01,666 --> 01:59:03,633 on the same day as GTA six. 3525 01:59:04,966 --> 01:59:06,166 They're committed to the bit. 3526 01:59:06,866 --> 01:59:08,333 They are. That is kind of 3527 01:59:08,333 --> 01:59:10,033 crazy that they're doing that. 3528 01:59:10,166 --> 01:59:13,066 It's free publicity for them, too. Yeah. 3529 01:59:13,666 --> 01:59:15,733 I mean, I actually admired 3530 01:59:15,733 --> 01:59:17,933 Devolver for their like weird 3531 01:59:17,933 --> 01:59:20,633 out levels of like commitment to just, 3532 01:59:20,833 --> 01:59:22,833 yeah, mocking and ridiculing. 3533 01:59:23,333 --> 01:59:25,533 Yeah. Here's so here's my thing, though. 3534 01:59:25,566 --> 01:59:28,933 What of GTA six sucks? 3535 01:59:30,199 --> 01:59:31,066 Oh, it was what's going 3536 01:59:31,066 --> 01:59:32,033 to happen to the industry? 3537 01:59:34,033 --> 01:59:37,633 Dude, I hope GTA fails spectacularly 3538 01:59:37,733 --> 01:59:41,000 and takes the AAA industry with it. 3539 01:59:41,333 --> 01:59:45,266 You sound that just that sound bites out. 3540 01:59:45,266 --> 01:59:46,166 Reminds me of Thor. 3541 01:59:46,166 --> 01:59:47,766 It's like, I hope you get everything you 3542 01:59:47,766 --> 01:59:49,666 ask for and nothing you wanted. 3543 01:59:50,666 --> 01:59:52,233 Like, you can't compare. 3544 01:59:52,266 --> 01:59:54,333 I know I didn't. 3545 01:59:54,333 --> 01:59:55,466 That's what Gardner is. 3546 01:59:55,733 --> 01:59:56,533 Nothing like Thor. 3547 01:59:56,533 --> 01:59:57,666 Just that little sound 3548 01:59:57,666 --> 01:59:59,033 bite was what reminded me. 3549 01:59:59,566 --> 02:00:00,366 So I apologize. 3550 02:00:00,566 --> 02:00:01,366 You're nothing like. 3551 02:00:01,933 --> 02:00:04,000 Oh, I thought you meant like Thor from 3552 02:00:04,000 --> 02:00:06,066 like the Marvel movies or like the North. 3553 02:00:06,533 --> 02:00:07,699 Pirate software, dude. Yeah. 3554 02:00:07,699 --> 02:00:08,733 Oh, yeah. That guy. 3555 02:00:12,533 --> 02:00:15,366 Like, yes, not going to fail. 3556 02:00:15,699 --> 02:00:17,433 It's probably won't fail. 3557 02:00:17,666 --> 02:00:19,366 People will fill up, if anything. 3558 02:00:19,366 --> 02:00:20,366 If it's bad, people are 3559 02:00:20,366 --> 02:00:21,333 still going to buy it. 3560 02:00:21,433 --> 02:00:22,266 Well, it has a trailer 3561 02:00:22,266 --> 02:00:24,433 alone looks really good. 3562 02:00:24,433 --> 02:00:25,566 It's got me even thinking 3563 02:00:25,566 --> 02:00:26,899 about getting it day one. 3564 02:00:27,399 --> 02:00:29,933 If I don't have to follow the 3565 02:00:29,933 --> 02:00:31,566 story very hard for a while, 3566 02:00:31,566 --> 02:00:32,933 like I just want to get in 3567 02:00:32,933 --> 02:00:34,066 that world and fuck around. 3568 02:00:36,366 --> 02:00:37,533 It's GTA, man. 3569 02:00:37,733 --> 02:00:40,266 I bet you you can just like stop doing a 3570 02:00:40,266 --> 02:00:41,433 story after like the tutorial 3571 02:00:41,433 --> 02:00:42,333 and just do whatever. 3572 02:00:43,100 --> 02:00:44,033 It's definitely going to sell. 3573 02:00:44,533 --> 02:00:47,633 I I what my feeling is. 3574 02:00:47,933 --> 02:00:48,633 And this is one of those 3575 02:00:48,633 --> 02:00:49,866 things where I'm probably wrong, 3576 02:00:50,000 --> 02:00:50,966 just like the Steam frame. 3577 02:00:51,233 --> 02:00:53,199 What my feeling is, is that it's going. 3578 02:00:53,933 --> 02:00:56,633 GTA six will be the first game in the GTA 3579 02:00:56,633 --> 02:00:58,566 since, you know, series since three 3580 02:00:59,133 --> 02:01:00,833 that will cause like the 3581 02:01:00,833 --> 02:01:02,533 series to lose some luster. 3582 02:01:03,000 --> 02:01:04,866 Right. Like people are going to play it. 3583 02:01:04,866 --> 02:01:06,833 And it's like, oh, it's 3584 02:01:06,833 --> 02:01:07,933 just thought it'd be better. 3585 02:01:08,433 --> 02:01:09,233 Yeah, yeah. 3586 02:01:09,233 --> 02:01:10,633 Like I thought this would be better. 3587 02:01:11,733 --> 02:01:13,866 That's my some of those things in the 3588 02:01:13,866 --> 02:01:15,933 trailer looks so interesting. 3589 02:01:16,533 --> 02:01:17,566 Yeah. Developer standpoint, I 3590 02:01:18,466 --> 02:01:20,866 more or less was so over. 3591 02:01:20,866 --> 02:01:22,766 Sorry. Here's my question, though. 3592 02:01:24,066 --> 02:01:26,366 A couple of months ago, there were rumors 3593 02:01:26,366 --> 02:01:28,066 that GTA six would be, 3594 02:01:28,066 --> 02:01:29,000 I mean, would be the first 3595 02:01:29,000 --> 02:01:30,399 hundred dollar video game. 3596 02:01:30,399 --> 02:01:32,899 Do you guys still think it might be the 3597 02:01:32,899 --> 02:01:33,833 hundred dollar video game 3598 02:01:33,833 --> 02:01:35,366 that the industry has been begging for? 3599 02:01:36,333 --> 02:01:37,166 When I say the entry, I mean 3600 02:01:37,166 --> 02:01:39,766 like the top suits, not gamers. 3601 02:01:40,833 --> 02:01:42,566 Yeah. On the one hand, there's like. 3602 02:01:43,733 --> 02:01:46,366 There seems to be the triple A publisher 3603 02:01:46,366 --> 02:01:47,566 seem to be backing off of that. 3604 02:01:47,600 --> 02:01:49,333 Right. Ever since the Microsoft thing. 3605 02:01:49,899 --> 02:01:52,300 And then EA was like, you know, they kept 3606 02:01:52,300 --> 02:01:53,966 asking during shareholder meetings 3607 02:01:53,966 --> 02:01:55,533 or whatever, wherever they were asking. 3608 02:01:55,766 --> 02:01:56,866 Yeah. And he is like, no, 3609 02:01:57,266 --> 02:01:58,566 we're not doing that anytime soon. 3610 02:01:58,566 --> 02:02:00,466 Don't ask us anymore. Whatever it was. 3611 02:02:01,766 --> 02:02:02,866 And so like they seem to 3612 02:02:02,866 --> 02:02:04,366 be backing off of that. 3613 02:02:04,966 --> 02:02:07,833 Yeah, but none of those are our GTA six. 3614 02:02:09,000 --> 02:02:11,533 Exactly. So yeah, I think it's possible. 3615 02:02:11,866 --> 02:02:15,166 I think I think no doubt 3616 02:02:15,266 --> 02:02:16,199 it'll be an eighty 3617 02:02:16,199 --> 02:02:17,933 dollar game at this point. 3618 02:02:18,899 --> 02:02:19,800 Yeah. Yeah. 3619 02:02:20,066 --> 02:02:22,366 Rockstar loves milking their community. 3620 02:02:23,366 --> 02:02:24,466 I mean, look at GTA online. 3621 02:02:25,066 --> 02:02:28,433 It's just that makes so much money. 3622 02:02:28,966 --> 02:02:31,566 So on one on one side, I could see them 3623 02:02:31,566 --> 02:02:32,366 charging one hundred dollars 3624 02:02:32,366 --> 02:02:33,666 because it doesn't seem like they, you 3625 02:02:33,666 --> 02:02:34,933 know, they just they want that money. 3626 02:02:35,833 --> 02:02:36,566 On the other side, 3627 02:02:37,699 --> 02:02:39,433 maybe they'll they'll make it priced a 3628 02:02:39,433 --> 02:02:41,033 little lower and then pick it up 3629 02:02:41,033 --> 02:02:42,466 in like GTA online stuff. 3630 02:02:43,199 --> 02:02:45,199 Or they could sell it for one hundred 3631 02:02:45,199 --> 02:02:47,666 dollars and then scalpy up the ass 3632 02:02:48,466 --> 02:02:49,633 for a shark. Yeah. 3633 02:02:50,533 --> 02:02:51,633 But here's the thing. 3634 02:02:54,066 --> 02:02:57,033 If they sell it for one hundred dollars, 3635 02:02:57,033 --> 02:02:58,233 they won't sell as many copies. 3636 02:02:58,233 --> 02:02:59,500 They're just guaranteed they will not 3637 02:02:59,500 --> 02:03:00,333 sell as many copies. 3638 02:03:00,800 --> 02:03:02,433 If copies in hand is 3639 02:03:02,433 --> 02:03:03,500 where they're going to get you 3640 02:03:03,966 --> 02:03:05,333 after the fact with a lot of these 3641 02:03:05,333 --> 02:03:07,833 things, then selling it for 40, 50 bucks 3642 02:03:07,833 --> 02:03:09,199 is probably the sweet spot. 3643 02:03:10,133 --> 02:03:12,300 Now they'll do that. That'd be smart if 3644 02:03:12,300 --> 02:03:13,033 they had good analysts. 3645 02:03:13,033 --> 02:03:15,333 But I don't think any triple A game 3646 02:03:15,333 --> 02:03:17,166 company has good analysts. 3647 02:03:17,466 --> 02:03:18,800 So here's what they're going to do. 3648 02:03:19,699 --> 02:03:20,233 They're going to 3649 02:03:20,233 --> 02:03:21,833 release it at 80 dollars. 3650 02:03:22,233 --> 02:03:24,633 OK, and then they're going to rerelease 3651 02:03:24,633 --> 02:03:26,766 it the next year for 90 dollars 3652 02:03:26,766 --> 02:03:31,066 and the next year for 100 on PC to on PC. 3653 02:03:31,066 --> 02:03:32,366 Yeah, you're going to get three different 3654 02:03:32,366 --> 02:03:33,633 editions of the game. 3655 02:03:34,266 --> 02:03:35,166 And each time they're 3656 02:03:35,166 --> 02:03:36,166 going to increase the price. 3657 02:03:36,566 --> 02:03:38,666 Or they might just like just increase the 3658 02:03:38,666 --> 02:03:39,866 price on the original version. 3659 02:03:40,500 --> 02:03:42,133 And because that's what 3660 02:03:42,133 --> 02:03:43,733 the industry does now. 3661 02:03:44,000 --> 02:03:45,899 So it is. Yeah. 3662 02:03:45,899 --> 02:03:48,333 So just worth mentioning the GTA six not 3663 02:03:48,333 --> 02:03:49,566 coming up to PC at launch, 3664 02:03:50,133 --> 02:03:51,399 which means you're going to have to buy 3665 02:03:51,399 --> 02:03:52,566 on one of your console. 3666 02:03:53,866 --> 02:03:54,566 So now the big 3667 02:03:54,566 --> 02:03:56,766 question is should you wait? 3668 02:03:57,000 --> 02:03:58,233 The big question is, are you going to 3669 02:03:58,233 --> 02:03:59,733 wait for the PC release 3670 02:04:00,533 --> 02:04:01,833 or are you going to buy the consoles? 3671 02:04:01,833 --> 02:04:02,466 And this is for 3672 02:04:02,466 --> 02:04:03,933 everyone and the audience, too. 3673 02:04:04,300 --> 02:04:05,533 So let us know in the 3674 02:04:05,533 --> 02:04:06,633 comments if we're going to do that. 3675 02:04:07,300 --> 02:04:09,766 Yeah. Well, I seeing as they won't make 3676 02:04:09,833 --> 02:04:12,533 GTA six for any consoles that I own. 3677 02:04:13,433 --> 02:04:15,166 Oh, wow. Yeah. 3678 02:04:15,566 --> 02:04:16,500 Going back to the GameCube. 3679 02:04:16,866 --> 02:04:18,100 Yeah, dude, if they put it on the 3680 02:04:18,100 --> 02:04:19,633 GameCube, I'd play the hell out of it. 3681 02:04:20,966 --> 02:04:22,333 How much would you pay for it? 3682 02:04:22,800 --> 02:04:24,199 GT six for the game version. 3683 02:04:25,100 --> 02:04:26,033 If it came on a little 3684 02:04:26,033 --> 02:04:27,533 on a little disc, I would. 3685 02:04:27,800 --> 02:04:29,933 I'd probably pay like 50 bucks, maybe. 3686 02:04:32,399 --> 02:04:34,566 That's a game on two or three. 3687 02:04:34,733 --> 02:04:35,766 You know. Oh, yeah. 3688 02:04:35,800 --> 02:04:37,166 Yeah. If it came on two or three, I'd 3689 02:04:37,166 --> 02:04:38,466 definitely give them an extra five. 3690 02:04:38,566 --> 02:04:40,833 Now, here's my question, though. 3691 02:04:42,133 --> 02:04:44,766 Now, of course, we all think that 3692 02:04:44,766 --> 02:04:46,266 Rockstar is probably going to charge more 3693 02:04:46,433 --> 02:04:49,300 at least at minimum 70 dollars, right? 3694 02:04:49,766 --> 02:04:51,466 Yeah. But what if Rockstar 3695 02:04:51,466 --> 02:04:53,166 charges like 50 dollars for it? 3696 02:04:54,133 --> 02:04:54,566 What do you think would 3697 02:04:54,566 --> 02:04:55,266 happen in the industry? 3698 02:04:55,266 --> 02:04:56,466 Because I remember there was some 3699 02:04:56,466 --> 02:04:58,600 discussions that you like remember 3700 02:04:58,633 --> 02:05:00,633 how like Silksong is 20 bucks and some 3701 02:05:00,633 --> 02:05:01,733 indie does or questioning 3702 02:05:01,733 --> 02:05:02,866 whether or not they should sell their 3703 02:05:02,866 --> 02:05:03,866 game at twenty dollars. 3704 02:05:04,466 --> 02:05:05,566 Like what that happens, but 3705 02:05:05,566 --> 02:05:07,899 with GTA six at a much bigger, 3706 02:05:07,966 --> 02:05:09,033 triple A scale. 3707 02:05:10,100 --> 02:05:13,766 It'd be. True capitalism in the sense of 3708 02:05:13,766 --> 02:05:14,566 like they could sell 3709 02:05:14,566 --> 02:05:16,233 so many more copies and compete. 3710 02:05:17,266 --> 02:05:18,500 It'd be smart. I think it'd be smart 3711 02:05:18,500 --> 02:05:19,566 because it's some more copies. 3712 02:05:19,566 --> 02:05:21,100 Yeah. And then every other developer 3713 02:05:21,100 --> 02:05:21,933 would be, oh, shoot. 3714 02:05:22,333 --> 02:05:23,766 Our 70 dollar game isn't as 3715 02:05:23,766 --> 02:05:25,866 good as this 50 dollar GTA six. 3716 02:05:26,399 --> 02:05:27,766 Yes, we got to lower our prices again. 3717 02:05:28,433 --> 02:05:29,633 You got to know your market, too. 3718 02:05:29,833 --> 02:05:30,399 Yeah, you did. 3719 02:05:30,566 --> 02:05:32,566 Yeah, I've said this elsewhere. 3720 02:05:32,866 --> 02:05:33,633 Bring bring back 3721 02:05:33,633 --> 02:05:34,766 undercutting competitors. 3722 02:05:35,433 --> 02:05:36,833 I would. That would be amazing. 3723 02:05:37,833 --> 02:05:40,000 Rockstar, I'll let you I'll let you 3724 02:05:40,000 --> 02:05:42,166 undercut all the 70 dollar video games. 3725 02:05:42,466 --> 02:05:45,333 Yeah. I'm the problem with undercutting. 3726 02:05:45,399 --> 02:05:47,566 Sorry, just really is that it's where we 3727 02:05:47,566 --> 02:05:48,433 it's why we've gotten, 3728 02:05:48,433 --> 02:05:49,066 I think, to now 3729 02:05:49,066 --> 02:05:51,833 monopolies, it creates monopolies. 3730 02:05:52,033 --> 02:05:52,866 Fair. Yeah. 3731 02:05:53,333 --> 02:05:55,166 So that is fair. 3732 02:05:55,533 --> 02:05:56,933 Yeah. But at the same time, 3733 02:05:56,933 --> 02:06:00,866 though, video games, video games. 3734 02:06:00,866 --> 02:06:01,699 I have a James. 3735 02:06:01,699 --> 02:06:02,966 I think I think if 3736 02:06:02,966 --> 02:06:03,933 they sold at 50 dollars, 3737 02:06:04,600 --> 02:06:06,666 I think that'd be smaller, smarter than 3738 02:06:06,666 --> 02:06:07,833 selling it at 80 plus. 3739 02:06:09,199 --> 02:06:11,866 And it goes from like, I don't think I'm 3740 02:06:11,866 --> 02:06:13,166 going to buy it at 70 dollars. 3741 02:06:13,166 --> 02:06:14,366 Excuse me. I don't think I'll buy it. 3742 02:06:14,633 --> 02:06:15,766 Certainly not on console. 3743 02:06:16,300 --> 02:06:17,166 But when it comes to PC, 3744 02:06:17,466 --> 02:06:19,066 I'll consider it at 70 dollars. 3745 02:06:20,233 --> 02:06:21,533 But if it was 50 dollars, it 3746 02:06:21,533 --> 02:06:22,699 would be an instant buy for me. 3747 02:06:22,699 --> 02:06:24,433 And I think there I mean, I know that 3748 02:06:24,433 --> 02:06:25,033 this is one of the 3749 02:06:25,033 --> 02:06:26,066 most anticipated games, 3750 02:06:26,066 --> 02:06:27,000 but I imagine that there are 3751 02:06:27,000 --> 02:06:28,433 people like me that are like, 3752 02:06:29,033 --> 02:06:30,366 not going to buy it at 3753 02:06:30,366 --> 02:06:32,899 70, but, you know, 60 or 50. 3754 02:06:32,966 --> 02:06:34,266 No question. I'll buy it. 3755 02:06:35,133 --> 02:06:36,166 The only way they're getting any money 3756 02:06:36,166 --> 02:06:37,633 for me is if they port the GameCube. 3757 02:06:41,066 --> 02:06:42,333 It's reasonable. Yeah. 3758 02:06:42,600 --> 02:06:43,366 Don't get my ideas. 3759 02:06:43,833 --> 02:06:45,133 They're already they already release 3760 02:06:45,133 --> 02:06:46,833 everything over and over. So. 3761 02:06:48,500 --> 02:06:50,866 For me, I want to find a way to borrow 3762 02:06:50,866 --> 02:06:52,133 this from someone to play it. 3763 02:06:52,133 --> 02:06:53,266 That's how I want to do it, 3764 02:06:53,266 --> 02:06:55,133 because I want to I want to 3765 02:06:56,733 --> 02:06:57,500 really destruct 3766 02:06:57,500 --> 02:06:59,300 deconstructed a little bit from like a 3767 02:06:59,566 --> 02:07:03,466 the graphical side of things and maybe 3768 02:07:03,466 --> 02:07:04,399 developer side of things, 3769 02:07:04,399 --> 02:07:05,266 because I'm interested in 3770 02:07:05,266 --> 02:07:06,766 that in this game and see what 3771 02:07:07,399 --> 02:07:09,066 billions of dollars gets you in a game. 3772 02:07:09,699 --> 02:07:12,633 But I just don't know if I could pay 70, 3773 02:07:12,633 --> 02:07:13,566 80 dollars for something. 3774 02:07:13,800 --> 02:07:14,333 I'm not going to play 3775 02:07:14,333 --> 02:07:15,933 that much after that. Yeah. 3776 02:07:16,800 --> 02:07:18,066 That's totally bad. 3777 02:07:19,966 --> 02:07:22,566 Yeah. But high tech, high tech, you're 3778 02:07:22,566 --> 02:07:23,833 going to get someone to buy it for you 3779 02:07:23,833 --> 02:07:24,833 and then pay them back, right? So you 3780 02:07:24,833 --> 02:07:25,633 don't have to pay them directly. 3781 02:07:26,600 --> 02:07:28,066 Dude, I don't know about G.T. 3782 02:07:28,066 --> 02:07:31,600 Six. You're going to get it. 3783 02:07:32,366 --> 02:07:34,666 I mean, when it first comes out, I don't 3784 02:07:34,666 --> 02:07:36,033 know if I'm going to get G.T. 3785 02:07:36,033 --> 02:07:37,166 Six at launch either, to be honest. 3786 02:07:38,066 --> 02:07:39,733 No, I don't have a 3787 02:07:39,733 --> 02:07:40,666 console that's up to date 3788 02:07:41,199 --> 02:07:42,033 because I'm waiting for 3789 02:07:42,033 --> 02:07:43,533 my PS5 to be hackable. 3790 02:07:46,300 --> 02:07:49,433 You just have all your devices in boxes. 3791 02:07:49,433 --> 02:07:51,033 You're like, one day it'll be valuable. 3792 02:07:51,866 --> 02:07:52,733 But one day. 3793 02:07:53,966 --> 02:07:54,766 Yeah, man. 3794 02:07:58,166 --> 02:08:01,133 But I think there is some solace in 3795 02:08:01,133 --> 02:08:02,466 knowing that, you know, G.T. 3796 02:08:02,533 --> 02:08:04,333 Six will finally be out and then now 3797 02:08:04,333 --> 02:08:07,300 people just ask for bloodborne on PC. 3798 02:08:10,433 --> 02:08:11,300 I'm waiting for it. 3799 02:08:12,166 --> 02:08:14,466 Yeah, same to natural forget 3800 02:08:14,466 --> 02:08:16,000 bloodborne on PC before G.T. 3801 02:08:16,000 --> 02:08:18,500 Six on PC. That'd be so funny. 3802 02:08:18,933 --> 02:08:19,399 What happened? 3803 02:08:22,333 --> 02:08:26,399 Oh, well, I know which one I'm buying. 3804 02:08:27,699 --> 02:08:30,333 Bloodborne, I still have it for PS4 and I 3805 02:08:30,333 --> 02:08:30,966 haven't beat it yet, 3806 02:08:30,966 --> 02:08:32,833 but I still buy bloodborne again. 3807 02:08:34,600 --> 02:08:35,866 Yeah, because it is 3808 02:08:35,866 --> 02:08:36,899 actually a pretty good game. 3809 02:08:36,899 --> 02:08:38,333 I just didn't finish it. 3810 02:08:38,866 --> 02:08:39,633 I don't remember. 3811 02:08:39,766 --> 02:08:40,466 I don't know. I'd love or 3812 02:08:40,466 --> 02:08:41,633 to scare you as hell, man. 3813 02:08:42,300 --> 02:08:44,866 I have not finished a souls born yet 3814 02:08:44,866 --> 02:08:47,300 outside of Sekiro if you count that one. 3815 02:08:47,300 --> 02:08:49,000 So I feel yeah, I don't 3816 02:08:49,000 --> 02:08:49,833 I don't know what it is. 3817 02:08:50,333 --> 02:08:51,966 I love them, but I 3818 02:08:51,966 --> 02:08:53,166 just haven't beaten one. 3819 02:08:54,266 --> 02:08:56,766 I don't necessarily like him that much 3820 02:08:56,766 --> 02:08:58,833 per se, but that is like 3821 02:08:58,833 --> 02:09:00,000 bloodborne is a good one. 3822 02:09:00,966 --> 02:09:02,866 We got it like we got it. 3823 02:09:02,866 --> 02:09:03,733 We got to wrap this up. 3824 02:09:04,266 --> 02:09:06,233 It's our time to end. 3825 02:09:06,866 --> 02:09:08,800 It's been a great episode. 3826 02:09:09,000 --> 02:09:09,533 Honestly, it's been 3827 02:09:09,533 --> 02:09:10,500 great having you on, Rich. 3828 02:09:11,766 --> 02:09:13,500 And the topics have been amazing. 3829 02:09:13,833 --> 02:09:15,733 We've even had we've gone so deep into 3830 02:09:15,733 --> 02:09:16,333 some of these topics 3831 02:09:16,333 --> 02:09:17,399 that we've had to skip a couple. 3832 02:09:17,633 --> 02:09:18,566 So I apologize. 3833 02:09:18,800 --> 02:09:20,199 I'm not going to say what they are. 3834 02:09:20,566 --> 02:09:21,733 So the listeners are just going to have 3835 02:09:21,733 --> 02:09:23,966 to guess and be tormented with that. 3836 02:09:24,600 --> 02:09:26,066 Anything anything garden or rich? 3837 02:09:26,066 --> 02:09:26,433 You want to plug 3838 02:09:26,433 --> 02:09:27,500 yourself rich one more time? 3839 02:09:27,899 --> 02:09:28,566 No. Yeah. 3840 02:09:28,666 --> 02:09:29,166 Fand the deck. 3841 02:09:29,666 --> 02:09:32,633 I make steam deck videos and I want to 3842 02:09:32,633 --> 02:09:35,199 make a video on the play date 3843 02:09:35,633 --> 02:09:36,866 and playing around with that. 3844 02:09:36,866 --> 02:09:37,600 So maybe I'll do that. 3845 02:09:37,800 --> 02:09:39,633 Yeah, I'd like that. 3846 02:09:40,100 --> 02:09:41,466 Yeah. Yeah. 3847 02:09:43,166 --> 02:09:43,800 That's all I got. 3848 02:09:44,566 --> 02:09:45,833 Yeah, you can make a game for it. 3849 02:09:46,800 --> 02:09:49,333 Uh, no, I I I've tried 3850 02:09:49,333 --> 02:09:50,333 making a couple of games. 3851 02:09:50,633 --> 02:09:51,899 I just never stick to it. 3852 02:09:52,000 --> 02:09:54,566 So are you going to make a new channel 3853 02:09:54,566 --> 02:09:57,000 fan the fan, the play, the end of date. 3854 02:09:57,466 --> 02:09:58,533 You found the day. 3855 02:09:58,833 --> 02:09:59,933 Yeah, look out for that. 3856 02:10:00,399 --> 02:10:01,399 That sounds awesome. 3857 02:10:02,233 --> 02:10:03,166 You know, you should do it. 3858 02:10:03,366 --> 02:10:04,033 I'm doing it. 3859 02:10:04,033 --> 02:10:04,233 Awesome. 3860 02:10:05,266 --> 02:10:06,233 What's the next April Fools? 3861 02:10:06,633 --> 02:10:07,199 I'll do it. 3862 02:10:07,933 --> 02:10:09,000 Do it. Oh, I love it. 3863 02:10:09,000 --> 02:10:09,733 It is videos. 3864 02:10:10,199 --> 02:10:12,266 OK, guys, this is it. 3865 02:10:12,266 --> 02:10:13,399 We're signing out. 3866 02:10:13,466 --> 02:10:15,933 Make sure to comment below and we'll get 3867 02:10:15,933 --> 02:10:16,566 to your comments 3868 02:10:16,566 --> 02:10:17,833 sometime in the near future, 3869 02:10:18,466 --> 02:10:18,899 hopefully. 3870 02:10:19,666 --> 02:10:20,699 And thank you guys for 3871 02:10:20,699 --> 02:10:21,566 watching and listening. 3872 02:10:21,566 --> 02:10:21,899 Peace out. 3873 02:10:22,266 --> 02:10:24,233 See you guys. See you later.