1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:06,269 What's up! 2 00:00:06,270 --> 00:00:08,530 It's 1999 all over again. 3 00:00:08,970 --> 00:00:11,240 Uh, welcome to Off the Console. 4 00:00:11,250 --> 00:00:15,040 The hottest podcast that's all about gaming and tech news and anything nerdy. 5 00:00:15,359 --> 00:00:17,809 Uh, this week we're covering the biggest news. 6 00:00:18,240 --> 00:00:19,820 Talking about CES stuff. 7 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,450 We're talking about the, uh, SteamOS coming to the Legion Go. 8 00:00:23,730 --> 00:00:27,299 And maybe some of the other SteamOS related drama that happened this week. 9 00:00:27,550 --> 00:00:28,910 And, uh, a ton of other stuff. 10 00:00:28,930 --> 00:00:33,625 And this week We're joined by my friend and, uh, announcer for doodlings. 11 00:00:33,845 --> 00:00:34,825 Rich, how's it going? 12 00:00:34,825 --> 00:00:34,935 Rich? 13 00:00:34,935 --> 00:00:35,615 That's right. 14 00:00:35,705 --> 00:00:36,945 It's going pretty well, man. 15 00:00:37,225 --> 00:00:39,275 Uh, just having, having some fun. 16 00:00:39,495 --> 00:00:41,814 I haven't gotten back to making videos yet in the new year. 17 00:00:42,125 --> 00:00:44,554 Um, so hopefully I'll, I'll do that this weekend, but I'm 18 00:00:44,555 --> 00:00:45,545 just enjoying my time off. 19 00:00:46,535 --> 00:00:47,454 You got to do that, man. 20 00:00:47,455 --> 00:00:48,724 You can't get burnt out on this. 21 00:00:48,735 --> 00:00:51,525 It can be quite a chore being a content creator. 22 00:00:52,655 --> 00:00:54,105 You got to tell the audience what channel you run. 23 00:00:54,849 --> 00:00:55,680 Fan the deck. 24 00:00:55,739 --> 00:00:55,989 Yeah. 25 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:56,570 Oh yeah, he 26 00:00:56,570 --> 00:01:00,925 does that too besides my video game. 27 00:01:00,925 --> 00:01:02,650 Besides dude links, yeah. 28 00:01:03,150 --> 00:01:04,349 I'm gonna learn a lot in this episode. 29 00:01:04,349 --> 00:01:05,509 I'm gonna learn a lot. 30 00:01:05,519 --> 00:01:06,399 I did not know that. 31 00:01:06,649 --> 00:01:07,320 You didn't know that? 32 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:07,979 Oh man, yeah. 33 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:10,090 Uh, he did a great job too. 34 00:01:10,090 --> 00:01:14,324 Him and uh, Myself, Emily, and a couple of other folks, and 35 00:01:14,325 --> 00:01:15,665 Bill, yeah, Bill did it as well. 36 00:01:16,525 --> 00:01:17,425 Bill was epic. 37 00:01:17,445 --> 00:01:18,255 Bill's voice was 38 00:01:18,255 --> 00:01:18,945 amazing. 39 00:01:18,955 --> 00:01:22,934 Bill sounded like an actual sports announcer, and that's kind 40 00:01:22,934 --> 00:01:25,895 of what I was trying to channel when I did it, and I didn't. 41 00:01:25,945 --> 00:01:27,865 So, yeah, I was really happy when Bill did it. 42 00:01:28,264 --> 00:01:31,755 Yours was good, but Bill, I'm not gonna lie, he took it to another level. 43 00:01:32,690 --> 00:01:33,619 I think Bill killed 44 00:01:33,619 --> 00:01:33,820 it. 45 00:01:34,100 --> 00:01:37,100 Bill knocked it out of the park so much that I made him the default. 46 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:39,449 Is that true? 47 00:01:39,450 --> 00:01:40,289 Did you really do that? 48 00:01:40,320 --> 00:01:40,890 Yeah, I did. 49 00:01:40,979 --> 00:01:41,479 That's awesome. 50 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,089 That's awesome. 51 00:01:43,089 --> 00:01:46,579 Uh, but we're also joined by, uh, the common hosts of 52 00:01:46,580 --> 00:01:48,050 the show, Hitech and James. 53 00:01:48,050 --> 00:01:48,850 How's it going, guys? 54 00:01:49,310 --> 00:01:50,059 Doing all right. 55 00:01:50,070 --> 00:01:50,700 How about you? 56 00:01:51,100 --> 00:01:52,140 Doing well, man. 57 00:01:52,140 --> 00:01:53,560 We've had a heck of a week here. 58 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:58,770 Um, So yeah, what we usually start off the show with talking about 59 00:01:58,789 --> 00:02:01,809 what games we've been playing this week, uh, Rich Why don't you start 60 00:02:01,809 --> 00:02:02,899 what games you've been playing this 61 00:02:02,899 --> 00:02:03,149 week? 62 00:02:03,599 --> 00:02:07,280 I've been playing one game since it came out and nothing else. 63 00:02:07,289 --> 00:02:12,489 I've been playing Marvel Rivals and like season one just dropped Yeah, 64 00:02:12,519 --> 00:02:16,279 high tech knows we haven't yet, but he but he knows I've been I've been 65 00:02:16,279 --> 00:02:19,614 messaging him And that game is amazing. 66 00:02:19,614 --> 00:02:21,644 Like it's, it's insanely good. 67 00:02:21,975 --> 00:02:26,404 Uh, and I, yeah, I've been trying the new characters, Mr. 68 00:02:26,404 --> 00:02:27,784 Fantastic, Invisible Woman. 69 00:02:28,114 --> 00:02:31,114 Uh, but like Jeff, Jeff, the lion shark was my main. 70 00:02:31,234 --> 00:02:33,534 So, so I have a soft spot for the shark. 71 00:02:33,584 --> 00:02:33,994 Yep. 72 00:02:34,424 --> 00:02:34,814 War. 73 00:02:34,834 --> 00:02:35,315 I see you. 74 00:02:35,394 --> 00:02:36,825 I see you like war criminals. 75 00:02:36,995 --> 00:02:38,325 Yeah, a hundred percent. 76 00:02:38,325 --> 00:02:38,505 Yeah. 77 00:02:38,505 --> 00:02:40,055 I want to take them off the map. 78 00:02:40,285 --> 00:02:40,915 They're gone. 79 00:02:41,174 --> 00:02:41,385 Everybody. 80 00:02:44,114 --> 00:02:44,885 That's awesome. 81 00:02:45,135 --> 00:02:45,864 Yeah, man. 82 00:02:45,920 --> 00:02:47,039 I 83 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:48,980 heard that that works on the Steam Deck, is that right? 84 00:02:49,359 --> 00:02:50,750 It does, for now. 85 00:02:50,890 --> 00:02:52,690 Yes, yeah, that's the thing for now. 86 00:02:52,690 --> 00:02:56,899 Like, people got banned, briefly, uh, because of the Steam Deck thing, 87 00:02:56,899 --> 00:03:00,790 and, you know, NetEase apologized for it, uh, before it came out, 88 00:03:00,809 --> 00:03:02,949 NetEase was like, yeah, we're gonna be Steam Deck compatible, so they 89 00:03:02,949 --> 00:03:05,399 were, like, vocally supporting. 90 00:03:05,839 --> 00:03:10,504 Um, I said elsewhere that, like, I am kind of, like, Waiting 91 00:03:10,504 --> 00:03:11,665 for the other shoe to drop. 92 00:03:11,665 --> 00:03:15,154 Like, I feel like, you know, they all turn their backs on, on steam deck. 93 00:03:15,515 --> 00:03:19,355 Um, and I, I also think that like that topic is more nuanced than, 94 00:03:19,404 --> 00:03:21,325 than even I can cover sometimes. 95 00:03:21,894 --> 00:03:25,724 Um, but yeah, there's not a lot of, you know, anti cheat 96 00:03:25,724 --> 00:03:26,864 supported games on steam deck. 97 00:03:27,764 --> 00:03:30,504 Yeah, I think with time it's going to come, it's going to come with time. 98 00:03:30,904 --> 00:03:31,755 Yeah, exactly. 99 00:03:31,964 --> 00:03:32,864 Yeah, I agree. 100 00:03:33,114 --> 00:03:33,374 Yeah. 101 00:03:33,374 --> 00:03:36,034 Unless they have some sort of sophisticated anti cheat system that 102 00:03:36,034 --> 00:03:39,684 prevents Linux users from cheating as well, which I mean, I kind of doubt. 103 00:03:40,054 --> 00:03:41,844 But we also don't know much about their, uh 104 00:03:41,884 --> 00:03:44,304 It's gonna be a money, it's gonna be a money thing eventually. 105 00:03:44,754 --> 00:03:49,694 Yeah, I mean once, once Lenovo brings out their new, uh, SteamOS powered 106 00:03:49,804 --> 00:03:53,454 Legion Go, and there's a couple other hardware vendors that do the same 107 00:03:53,454 --> 00:03:58,714 thing, I think that's when we'll start to see, uh, other, uh, uh, anti 108 00:03:58,714 --> 00:04:00,564 cheat games come to, you know, Linux. 109 00:04:00,754 --> 00:04:07,099 Yeah, I, I saw your video, Gardner, on the, um, The Linus, uh, LTT, right? 110 00:04:07,129 --> 00:04:10,299 Uh, talking about Linux gaming, the state of Linux gaming, and you, you 111 00:04:10,299 --> 00:04:14,649 mentioned like a sea change and, and it feels like we're on the verge of that. 112 00:04:14,649 --> 00:04:18,109 I mean, like, I know it's me, you know, you're the Linux desktop, but, um, it 113 00:04:18,109 --> 00:04:23,010 feels like we're getting closer to at least, um, Linux being, uh, considered 114 00:04:23,020 --> 00:04:24,760 a more serious gaming platform. 115 00:04:26,234 --> 00:04:30,655 Absolutely, I mean there's already been kind of like a cultural shift among gamers 116 00:04:31,174 --> 00:04:36,284 And it feels like like the whole game dev industry hasn't caught up with where 117 00:04:36,294 --> 00:04:39,824 gamers are at Maybe not like it's not like 118 00:04:41,925 --> 00:04:46,784 It's not mainstream to game on linux But like the steam deck is making it that way. 119 00:04:46,815 --> 00:04:51,685 Like I was watching a video earlier from one of my favorite um music 120 00:04:51,784 --> 00:04:55,784 creators on youtube And she was talking about in her time off. 121 00:04:55,794 --> 00:05:00,135 She plays on the steam deck and i'm like that is So cool, like 122 00:05:00,135 --> 00:05:01,745 just she's she's a harpist. 123 00:05:01,794 --> 00:05:02,594 Uh, emily. 124 00:05:02,625 --> 00:05:06,550 I can't remember her last name, but she's a harpist and she plays You Video games 125 00:05:06,550 --> 00:05:10,350 on our steam deck and that's where like a lot of people are going to because 126 00:05:10,450 --> 00:05:12,460 it just makes sense So, I don't know. 127 00:05:12,460 --> 00:05:15,660 I'm very excited about when the gaming industry actually kind of wakes up 128 00:05:15,660 --> 00:05:20,659 and realizes that The, the dead memes about like, you know, BBN and, and uh, 129 00:05:20,679 --> 00:05:22,469 Hannah Montana Linux are, are over. 130 00:05:22,719 --> 00:05:26,359 You know, like there's actual serious gaming you can do on, on Linux now. 131 00:05:26,369 --> 00:05:26,879 Wait, are you 132 00:05:26,879 --> 00:05:28,590 talking about Emily Hopkins? 133 00:05:28,710 --> 00:05:28,909 Yeah. 134 00:05:28,909 --> 00:05:30,389 The like, girl with like the two tone hair? 135 00:05:30,549 --> 00:05:30,809 Yep. 136 00:05:30,810 --> 00:05:34,219 Ooooooh, I know who you're talking about. 137 00:05:34,219 --> 00:05:34,809 Yeah. 138 00:05:34,809 --> 00:05:35,169 Yeah. 139 00:05:35,249 --> 00:05:36,939 That's cool that she plays on the Steam Deck. 140 00:05:36,939 --> 00:05:39,570 I know, uh, I forget which rapper it was. 141 00:05:39,570 --> 00:05:43,880 Was it, was it a Playboi Carti that had a Steam Deck or was it another guy? 142 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,600 I don't remember, but he added one pretty early on too. 143 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:47,320 Yeah. 144 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,950 Let's just say that most of the content creators or a lot of celebrities 145 00:05:52,019 --> 00:05:55,409 probably have something along the lines of like a Steam Deck or something if 146 00:05:55,409 --> 00:05:59,370 they like gaming, because, uh, it's just easy to, they're on the go a lot. 147 00:05:59,440 --> 00:05:59,960 It's easy. 148 00:05:59,960 --> 00:06:02,780 Like I I've been shocked at how many people I've watched. 149 00:06:02,780 --> 00:06:05,939 So where like, just comes out, they have a Steam Deck or something else. 150 00:06:05,939 --> 00:06:06,159 I'm like. 151 00:06:07,664 --> 00:06:09,805 It's, it's, it's mainstream, it's getting mainstream. 152 00:06:09,844 --> 00:06:16,604 And with Fremont and like with a desktop drop, use, like, from a user 153 00:06:16,604 --> 00:06:20,594 experience kind of thing, doing like designs and all that, like, or, um, 154 00:06:21,190 --> 00:06:23,159 Once you make it easy, it's a done deal. 155 00:06:23,419 --> 00:06:24,479 And that's the problem with Linux. 156 00:06:24,479 --> 00:06:28,109 It's never, it's been fun for the advanced user, but it's 157 00:06:28,109 --> 00:06:31,330 not as easy for the, the rest. 158 00:06:31,539 --> 00:06:32,109 Yeah. 159 00:06:32,469 --> 00:06:36,609 One of the reasons I was so bullish on like steam machines way back in the 160 00:06:36,609 --> 00:06:40,455 day was because They were ready made devices that were, that came with Linux 161 00:06:40,455 --> 00:06:43,965 on them, and you didn't have to do anything else, but the pricing was wrong, 162 00:06:44,175 --> 00:06:49,555 and the, and there was no support for Windows software at all, and so we're 163 00:06:49,555 --> 00:06:53,654 at a point now where, you know, Valve is selling a, like, a hot commodity. 164 00:06:53,654 --> 00:06:58,304 The Steam Deck is, like, such an amazing, uh, and, and in demand thing 165 00:06:58,815 --> 00:07:02,165 that, you know, it doesn't matter who you are or what your skill level is, 166 00:07:02,175 --> 00:07:07,885 if you have You can get an amazing PC gaming console like experience. 167 00:07:07,885 --> 00:07:12,445 And that's why I I'm such like, so, uh, excited about it, you know? 168 00:07:12,855 --> 00:07:20,115 So one thing we don't have on our roster, I don't think is that Microsoft at least 169 00:07:20,145 --> 00:07:23,505 what I've read has announced that they're going to be coming out with a handheld 170 00:07:23,515 --> 00:07:25,515 version of windows or like making it. 171 00:07:25,515 --> 00:07:29,375 So it's more handheld friendly and it definitely sounds like they're worried. 172 00:07:29,825 --> 00:07:32,375 Uh, I think they're getting more worried because it should be. 173 00:07:32,854 --> 00:07:36,525 They put too much into the AI play and not realize that they 174 00:07:36,525 --> 00:07:40,284 could, they need to diversify and like me, I'm done with Windows. 175 00:07:40,284 --> 00:07:43,354 I have not, I try to touch Windows as the least amount as I can. 176 00:07:43,784 --> 00:07:45,394 It's either Mac or it's Linux right now. 177 00:07:45,395 --> 00:07:49,055 Like I'll, I'll still do Windows, but like I'm, my pathway is 178 00:07:49,055 --> 00:07:50,734 to get away from it again now. 179 00:07:50,934 --> 00:07:53,259 So, never thought I'd be here. 180 00:07:53,610 --> 00:08:02,099 I definitely think that my, my concern about Microsoft is that assuming you even, 181 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,630 you know, want them to be successful, which I think some people do, right? 182 00:08:05,740 --> 00:08:10,430 Like in terms of competition, uh, even I will say like, yeah, I, I, I want 183 00:08:10,430 --> 00:08:12,590 them to have some user base, right? 184 00:08:12,690 --> 00:08:14,460 Like I want them to keep making games. 185 00:08:14,460 --> 00:08:15,230 They make good games. 186 00:08:15,650 --> 00:08:17,880 Um, and so my concern is. 187 00:08:18,650 --> 00:08:21,920 They're late, like in terms of handheld, in terms of like, uh, 188 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,360 being handheld friendly or having handheld hardware, like either one 189 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:26,860 of those two considerations there. 190 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:29,979 It feels like they're zoom levels late, right? 191 00:08:30,009 --> 00:08:32,339 Like it feels like that all over again. 192 00:08:33,424 --> 00:08:37,034 And I don't know how they crawl out of that hole at this point. 193 00:08:37,085 --> 00:08:38,064 I'm a little worried about that. 194 00:08:38,574 --> 00:08:43,074 Well, I think Windows 11 has also proven that they really don't have what it takes 195 00:08:43,125 --> 00:08:45,224 anymore to maintain an operating system. 196 00:08:45,255 --> 00:08:46,964 Like, they're not testing stuff. 197 00:08:46,965 --> 00:08:50,585 They're rolling out updates that are, that completely break people's PCs. 198 00:08:50,915 --> 00:08:55,265 They're, they're, uh, and, and they don't really understand, like, what 199 00:08:55,895 --> 00:08:58,185 gamers need to, in order to play games. 200 00:08:58,365 --> 00:08:59,109 As far as, you know. 201 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:04,580 I've seen anyway, um, just I just feel like microsoft the only thing 202 00:09:04,580 --> 00:09:10,320 they have is like the Institution of windows and that's not enough because 203 00:09:10,329 --> 00:09:12,140 that is crumbling beneath their feet. 204 00:09:12,169 --> 00:09:16,640 I think so Uh, and and they don't even have really xbox anymore. 205 00:09:16,669 --> 00:09:21,280 And I know I got heat for saying for like Hating Microsoft which I don't I 206 00:09:21,329 --> 00:09:23,490 actually really like xbox as a brand. 207 00:09:23,490 --> 00:09:29,640 I really have fond memories about xbox and xbox 360 uh, but like for the last two 208 00:09:29,699 --> 00:09:33,910 console generations Xbox has has been in last place and there's a reason for that 209 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:37,550 and they don't it's because they don't really understand what gamers want and 210 00:09:37,550 --> 00:09:42,719 so I am pretty confident that valve does understand what gamers want and steamos 211 00:09:42,790 --> 00:09:46,719 is going to be able to cater to them especially when it's really easy to You 212 00:09:47,010 --> 00:09:50,980 Get a seamless device because you don't even have to know how to install it and 213 00:09:50,980 --> 00:09:53,340 you can just go to the store Pretty soon. 214 00:09:53,350 --> 00:09:54,630 You'll be able to go to the store and buy one. 215 00:09:54,990 --> 00:09:56,500 So I don't know. 216 00:09:56,529 --> 00:09:57,450 That's where my head's at. 217 00:09:57,859 --> 00:09:58,389 Um, 218 00:09:59,550 --> 00:10:04,720 I Think it's interesting what Microsoft is doing because um it they do recognize that 219 00:10:04,759 --> 00:10:08,910 You know things are going to change and things that need to change and you know 220 00:10:08,910 --> 00:10:12,510 part that's part of why they're coming with that Handheld, uh, I think I think 221 00:10:12,510 --> 00:10:16,050 it's not just Windows going handheld, but it's also them talking about a quote 222 00:10:16,050 --> 00:10:20,785 unquote Handheld I know the Fox has been talking about that for a while now if 223 00:10:20,785 --> 00:10:25,165 you recall he's put post a lot about it About them potentially making one. 224 00:10:25,194 --> 00:10:31,135 I mean And I think the rumors are becoming more and more true, but the big 225 00:10:31,135 --> 00:10:33,704 question now is is it too late for them? 226 00:10:35,555 --> 00:10:36,155 I Think so 227 00:10:38,495 --> 00:10:42,204 Let's just say it all depends it really all depends if 228 00:10:42,204 --> 00:10:43,324 they release it in two years. 229 00:10:43,324 --> 00:10:47,209 Yes That's gonna probably be too late, but they might also try to do a huge 230 00:10:47,239 --> 00:10:50,469 marketing, uh, thing, like, cause I, uh, They're either gonna release it 231 00:10:50,469 --> 00:10:53,599 within the next year, or they're gonna release it maybe if they feel like Steam 232 00:10:53,599 --> 00:10:55,969 Deck is, uh, too much of a competition. 233 00:10:56,430 --> 00:10:58,474 Uh, like, Steam Deck 2. 234 00:10:58,474 --> 00:11:00,325 They'll line it up with Steam Deck 235 00:11:00,325 --> 00:11:00,854 2, maybe. 236 00:11:00,854 --> 00:11:01,118 Mm. 237 00:11:01,118 --> 00:11:01,383 Yeah. 238 00:11:01,383 --> 00:11:06,280 See, I think the most, like, the most rational threat that we face 239 00:11:06,709 --> 00:11:11,209 from Microsoft is them spending 80 billion dollars to buy Valve. 240 00:11:11,209 --> 00:11:11,259 I don't know. 241 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:16,340 That's the biggest like if if microsoft really senses that there's 242 00:11:16,340 --> 00:11:19,480 something there's competition and that's going to challenge Their 243 00:11:19,490 --> 00:11:21,210 dominant position with windows. 244 00:11:21,569 --> 00:11:24,980 They're going to try to buy valve That's the biggest issue that we 245 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:30,139 face and I don't I I mean, I don't know if valve will actually sell 246 00:11:30,139 --> 00:11:31,540 I don't they're not public so 247 00:11:31,540 --> 00:11:33,850 they don't have they don't have the risk of being pressured by 248 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:39,295 Stakeholders if they were public that would be much worse They're private. 249 00:11:39,324 --> 00:11:41,995 They don't have to, they don't have to be pressured by stakeholders. 250 00:11:41,995 --> 00:11:42,275 So, 251 00:11:42,795 --> 00:11:45,214 um, yeah, that happened with the company. 252 00:11:45,214 --> 00:11:50,374 Uh, That we talked about a couple of times in the podcast, you know, Kadokawa. 253 00:11:50,375 --> 00:11:53,935 Yeah, they were pressured by Kakao Media, and also Tencent, 254 00:11:53,935 --> 00:11:55,185 who are both foreign entities. 255 00:11:55,245 --> 00:11:57,505 And, uh, they ended up going with Sony. 256 00:11:58,224 --> 00:12:01,465 I think the other thing to keep in mind with Microsoft, too, is that, like, 257 00:12:01,514 --> 00:12:06,605 uh, They probably wouldn't do that because they can't afford it, right? 258 00:12:06,615 --> 00:12:10,165 Like, obviously they can afford whatever they want, but in terms of where they're 259 00:12:10,165 --> 00:12:15,010 spending money, They, they are pulling back on spending money in gaming, right? 260 00:12:15,010 --> 00:12:19,770 Like they are just that that's, it's sort of the, like, I think the reason, 261 00:12:20,140 --> 00:12:24,259 um, that I consider them to be in this hole that they have to crawl out 262 00:12:24,259 --> 00:12:27,269 of is because they're not willing to put any money into anything, whether 263 00:12:27,270 --> 00:12:29,940 it's hardware, uh, gaming, right? 264 00:12:29,940 --> 00:12:34,100 Like they bought Activision and that was kind of the last nail 265 00:12:34,100 --> 00:12:38,360 in the straw, nail in the coffin in terms of like us spending, 266 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,249 Microsoft spending a lot of money. 267 00:12:40,569 --> 00:12:42,350 Big expenditures on gaming there. 268 00:12:42,350 --> 00:12:46,910 Otherwise now they're kind of on this, like, uh, uh, Austerity, right? 269 00:12:46,939 --> 00:12:49,210 Like they're not, they're trying not to spend the money there. 270 00:12:49,210 --> 00:12:51,400 So it seems like they're just not investing. 271 00:12:52,460 --> 00:12:55,329 They overspent and their roadmaps all over the place. 272 00:12:55,369 --> 00:13:00,340 I, and them getting rid of, like, they they've been planning it for a 273 00:13:00,340 --> 00:13:04,930 while to get, to go away from doing Xbox systems per se, and to the 274 00:13:04,949 --> 00:13:07,410 everything's an Xbox kind of campaign. 275 00:13:07,430 --> 00:13:09,009 So it'll be interesting to see how that goes. 276 00:13:09,350 --> 00:13:09,520 I. 277 00:13:09,975 --> 00:13:12,574 Think that will be the future kind of for Xbox if they don't 278 00:13:12,574 --> 00:13:13,685 want to be like innovative. 279 00:13:14,105 --> 00:13:18,794 They could also Turn towards handheld and more go more that way and like 280 00:13:18,794 --> 00:13:22,355 the switch route that could also be very beneficial there's a lot of 281 00:13:22,355 --> 00:13:28,224 routes they could go and Microsoft as long as they have good leadership and 282 00:13:28,225 --> 00:13:30,824 good vision, they'll do really well. 283 00:13:30,915 --> 00:13:33,364 I just don't think they do I 284 00:13:33,365 --> 00:13:36,985 mean realistically, I mean realistically, Microsoft has no competition because 285 00:13:36,995 --> 00:13:38,435 everything's an Xbox already, you know? 286 00:13:39,135 --> 00:13:43,495 Your Steam Deck's an Xbox, your, uh, Playstation 5 is an Xbox. 287 00:13:43,834 --> 00:13:45,194 Hell, maybe even your Switch too. 288 00:13:47,045 --> 00:13:48,865 Yeah, we'll get to that. 289 00:13:48,904 --> 00:13:51,545 Um, we haven't touched on what you guys have been playing though. 290 00:13:51,545 --> 00:13:52,964 James, what have you been playing? 291 00:13:53,615 --> 00:13:57,265 Uh, I've been playing a little, uh, a game that's not released yet. 292 00:13:57,560 --> 00:13:59,930 I'm not going to go too much into it because I don't want to ruin 293 00:13:59,930 --> 00:14:01,780 it for everyone, but chess mess. 294 00:14:01,850 --> 00:14:03,480 Um, I've been playing it. 295 00:14:03,510 --> 00:14:04,510 I, okay, I'll be honest. 296 00:14:04,510 --> 00:14:07,390 I have only played it for about 30 minutes, uh, so I 297 00:14:07,390 --> 00:14:08,600 played a couple of rounds. 298 00:14:08,810 --> 00:14:09,360 It's fun. 299 00:14:09,419 --> 00:14:10,130 It's really fun. 300 00:14:10,270 --> 00:14:10,890 Um. 301 00:14:12,650 --> 00:14:15,940 For those who don't know, Chessmess is the game that I'm working on. 302 00:14:15,940 --> 00:14:18,370 It's coming out, hopefully in a couple of months here. 303 00:14:18,460 --> 00:14:19,430 I'm pretty excited about it. 304 00:14:19,610 --> 00:14:20,309 That's awesome. 305 00:14:20,309 --> 00:14:21,700 I didn't know you were working on another one. 306 00:14:22,219 --> 00:14:22,950 That's cool. 307 00:14:23,719 --> 00:14:26,179 Well, it sounds like you don't want to spoil it, but I was going 308 00:14:26,179 --> 00:14:27,639 to ask, what kind of game is it? 309 00:14:27,839 --> 00:14:30,386 Oh, James, you can explain it if you 310 00:14:30,386 --> 00:14:31,393 want. 311 00:14:31,393 --> 00:14:36,940 Yeah, so it's a, what is it, like a roguelike chess based game. 312 00:14:36,940 --> 00:14:39,639 So it takes a completely different turn on what chess is. 313 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:46,819 I don't I actually get kind of bored with the, cause I played a lot of chess, I'm 314 00:14:46,819 --> 00:14:49,080 not great at chess, but I played a lot of chess checkers and stuff like that. 315 00:14:49,270 --> 00:14:54,729 So I like it when stuff that I've liked in the past has a big twist to it. 316 00:14:54,729 --> 00:14:59,530 And so that's what's making this fun for me is that it's like chess, 317 00:14:59,530 --> 00:15:03,449 a lot of parts of like chess, but then has a lot of twists to it. 318 00:15:03,460 --> 00:15:03,850 And it's fun. 319 00:15:03,910 --> 00:15:10,760 Uh, so, the way it works is, there's a board, a standard sized chess board that's 320 00:15:10,770 --> 00:15:15,280 filled with random chess pieces, black and white, and you control both the black 321 00:15:15,299 --> 00:15:20,759 and the white pieces, and, um, there's a, there's like a, a par score, essentially, 322 00:15:21,019 --> 00:15:26,805 that every time you capture a piece with another piece, it from that par score. 323 00:15:26,925 --> 00:15:29,995 Once you hit zero, a gray king appears on the board and you 324 00:15:29,995 --> 00:15:31,785 have to capture the gray king. 325 00:15:32,175 --> 00:15:33,685 With the pieces that you have left. 326 00:15:34,005 --> 00:15:39,265 So, uh, it's, it's, it's kind of a strategy, kind of a puzzle, kind of 327 00:15:39,265 --> 00:15:42,394 a roguelike because in between levels you get cards that add different 328 00:15:42,405 --> 00:15:44,335 power ups and mix up the gameplay. 329 00:15:44,825 --> 00:15:46,980 And, uh, It's pretty exciting. 330 00:15:46,980 --> 00:15:48,190 I sent it to Hitech, too. 331 00:15:48,210 --> 00:15:52,150 He DM'd me some stuff, uh, like some issues that were he found with it, but 332 00:15:52,830 --> 00:15:56,580 All right, so Alongside Chess Mess, I've also been trying to 333 00:15:56,580 --> 00:15:59,190 play I've been trying to 100 334 00:15:59,190 --> 00:15:59,949 percent Bellatro. 335 00:15:59,950 --> 00:16:04,679 Like Like Completionist that includes beating the game with every deck 336 00:16:05,250 --> 00:16:08,439 on Goldstake, and also every Joker. 337 00:16:08,715 --> 00:16:11,765 On Goldstake 2, which is kind of, like, which is going to be insane 338 00:16:11,775 --> 00:16:13,635 to do because, you know, RNG, right? 339 00:16:14,125 --> 00:16:17,884 You also can't use seeded runs to finish that either, so you, you kind of just have 340 00:16:17,884 --> 00:16:19,325 to encounter some of the jokers anyways. 341 00:16:19,755 --> 00:16:23,914 And yeah, with Chess Mess, I, uh, I sent Gardner a couple of clips of me, uh, 342 00:16:23,955 --> 00:16:26,354 two turning, uh, two turning a board. 343 00:16:27,414 --> 00:16:29,605 Dude, yeah, I've never seen anything like that in the game. 344 00:16:31,595 --> 00:16:35,955 He he scored what was it like 16 000 points in one move I was like, 345 00:16:35,965 --> 00:16:37,885 how the hell did you do that? 346 00:16:38,375 --> 00:16:39,685 I've never seen that 347 00:16:41,715 --> 00:16:43,045 Uh, yeah 348 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:44,510 Epic Gamer. 349 00:16:44,510 --> 00:16:47,949 You ever consider sending a key to like, Magnus Carlsen? 350 00:16:47,949 --> 00:16:48,960 Like, the top, uh, chess player? 351 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:49,580 Dude, I've 352 00:16:49,620 --> 00:16:50,600 thought about that. 353 00:16:50,890 --> 00:16:54,140 I've thought about Gotham Chess, and I'm a huge chess fan. 354 00:16:54,140 --> 00:16:55,270 I love chess. 355 00:16:55,529 --> 00:17:01,129 And, I was playing it one day, after I had been playing, um, Bejeweled. 356 00:17:01,210 --> 00:17:02,840 I was playing Bejeweled on my Steam Deck. 357 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:07,820 And, I was like, I was like, what if, instead of Jewels, I played, uh It was 358 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:12,990 like chess pieces and you could only move them like chess pieces And then I was and 359 00:17:12,990 --> 00:17:16,400 then I tried that I implemented it and it wasn't actually that fun And so I was 360 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:20,319 like, oh, but i've already got all this stuff figured out So i'm gonna change 361 00:17:20,319 --> 00:17:22,590 the rules and I ended up with chess mess. 362 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:26,910 So Uh, yeah, I the idea of getting this out there and then having you 363 00:17:26,910 --> 00:17:31,315 know, some of my favorite like chess players in the world Trying it out. 364 00:17:31,675 --> 00:17:33,835 That would be that would be dope. 365 00:17:33,875 --> 00:17:38,645 That would be so cool um Yeah, what have I been playing this week? 366 00:17:38,715 --> 00:17:43,265 I've been playing I just got synth riders for uh, it's a vr game 367 00:17:43,265 --> 00:17:44,635 It's a little bit like beat saber. 368 00:17:45,025 --> 00:17:50,120 Um I want to find some custom songs for it because most of the stuff 369 00:17:50,120 --> 00:17:53,090 that's built in is like really synth pop and that's not my style. 370 00:17:53,420 --> 00:17:58,129 But it's, it's, it's similar to Beat Saber and you know, you have a ball for 371 00:17:58,129 --> 00:18:01,890 each hand and you have to hit the same color ball with, with whatever hand. 372 00:18:02,110 --> 00:18:05,100 But then there's also some cool stuff where if it's yellow, 373 00:18:05,149 --> 00:18:07,950 then you have to put your hands together and hit, hit it like that. 374 00:18:07,990 --> 00:18:10,580 And you like ride rails and stuff with your hands. 375 00:18:10,750 --> 00:18:11,600 It's kind of cool. 376 00:18:11,900 --> 00:18:15,300 Um, I feel like it would be more fun if it was, like, if it had music I liked. 377 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:20,700 Uh, but then I also played Walkabout mini mini golf, which is, like, a VR mini golf 378 00:18:20,700 --> 00:18:22,359 game, and it's actually quite cool, too. 379 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,499 I I I spent probably an hour this morning playing that. 380 00:18:26,670 --> 00:18:29,159 Damn, I can't wait for Valve to release a deck so I can try out 381 00:18:29,340 --> 00:18:32,270 more VR games, because my brother has a, uh, Quest 2, actually. 382 00:18:32,270 --> 00:18:37,870 I tried it out, like, and it's pretty cool, but There's pro there 383 00:18:37,950 --> 00:18:42,144 aren't a lot of games I, like, really like on there besides Superhot VR. 384 00:18:43,495 --> 00:18:47,155 The the biggest problem with VR is the games like there aren't that 385 00:18:47,155 --> 00:18:52,904 many games and that's like That's the thing that really bugs me with VR 386 00:18:52,905 --> 00:18:55,204 Yeah, you gotta hook that thing up to a computer high 387 00:18:55,204 --> 00:18:56,584 tech and play Half Life Alex. 388 00:18:56,645 --> 00:18:57,015 Yeah, 389 00:18:57,085 --> 00:18:57,784 you gotta do it I 390 00:18:57,784 --> 00:19:03,855 mean I would but it's also not mine But you borrow it or you 391 00:19:03,855 --> 00:19:07,255 know, maybe steal it overnight Yeah 392 00:19:09,025 --> 00:19:11,885 Yeah, Deckard, the nice thing about Deckard too, right? 393 00:19:11,915 --> 00:19:17,205 Like is, it seems like Valve is aiming for it to be more than just VR, right? 394 00:19:17,205 --> 00:19:20,684 Like you're just play whatever you want and you're like big family, your big 395 00:19:20,684 --> 00:19:22,405 living room, your virtual living room. 396 00:19:22,405 --> 00:19:22,645 Right. 397 00:19:22,665 --> 00:19:27,525 And so a lot of that like goes towards the, that chicken and egg 398 00:19:27,525 --> 00:19:32,375 problem that they are, that VR is facing and that Linux face before VR. 399 00:19:32,385 --> 00:19:36,035 So like, yeah, it's, it's a good way to sort of short circuit that, 400 00:19:36,085 --> 00:19:37,235 that chicken and egg problem. 401 00:19:38,180 --> 00:19:41,589 Yep, I'm, I'm, I'm super stoked, uh, for. 402 00:19:42,070 --> 00:19:43,080 For Deckard for sure. 403 00:19:43,730 --> 00:19:47,150 Um, alright, before we move on to the actual topics, we've spent, I don't 404 00:19:47,150 --> 00:19:51,470 know how long, talking about whatever, but, uh, I want to ask everybody, if 405 00:19:51,470 --> 00:19:54,059 you're watching this show and you're enjoying these conversations, make 406 00:19:54,059 --> 00:19:57,600 sure you subscribe to YouTube, uh, subscribe to us on YouTube, I should say. 407 00:19:57,949 --> 00:20:03,880 Uh, we're also available, uh, as an RSS feed for the audio podcast, uh, podcast. 408 00:20:04,420 --> 00:20:04,550 subscribe2. 409 00:20:04,590 --> 00:20:04,890 me. 410 00:20:05,060 --> 00:20:07,930 And then there's also, uh, you can actually engage with. 411 00:20:08,260 --> 00:20:12,100 The show on the Fediverse, uh, at off the console show. 412 00:20:12,430 --> 00:20:14,120 At podcast dot subscribe to dot me. 413 00:20:14,120 --> 00:20:16,310 So you can send comments over there. 414 00:20:16,310 --> 00:20:19,650 You can like, and share our, our audio feed over there. 415 00:20:20,090 --> 00:20:21,639 Uh, it's pretty neat. 416 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:25,599 Uh, I'm a big Fediverse enthusiast, so I was insistent on using the 417 00:20:25,620 --> 00:20:26,820 software we're using for this. 418 00:20:27,030 --> 00:20:29,790 So first topic, let's talk about CES. 419 00:20:29,820 --> 00:20:34,920 Cause it ended yesterday as of recording and high tech, we have a bunch of like 420 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:39,960 notes for, uh, CES this, this year, tell it, walk us through some of this 421 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,159 stuff here that you want to talk about. 422 00:20:41,355 --> 00:20:41,615 Yeah. 423 00:20:41,615 --> 00:20:44,375 So we have so many announcements here that, uh, I had to make 424 00:20:44,375 --> 00:20:45,695 a separate document for them. 425 00:20:46,205 --> 00:20:48,825 I don't, I don't think which, uh, I don't think you sent most of 426 00:20:48,835 --> 00:20:51,515 these documents, the document, but, uh, I can tell you what they are. 427 00:20:51,515 --> 00:20:54,794 So we have AMD's, uh, CES keynote. 428 00:20:54,795 --> 00:20:58,705 So, uh, we have the AMD, uh, CES notes. 429 00:20:59,145 --> 00:21:05,475 You've got their Ryzen 9950 X3D, their Ryzen 9900 X3D. 430 00:21:05,855 --> 00:21:09,785 They've got the Z2 series, which includes the Z2 Extreme. 431 00:21:10,210 --> 00:21:16,810 The Z two regular and the Z two go, which is Lenovo exclusive for now. 432 00:21:17,620 --> 00:21:23,530 And their mobile processor, um, pro processing units, their 9,000 HX series. 433 00:21:23,530 --> 00:21:28,540 And also sometimes they're like, I don't know man, I don't like AMDs naming scheme. 434 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:33,460 The, like, rise in AI 9 3 90 hx. 435 00:21:33,490 --> 00:21:35,890 Like I, I can barely decipher it. 436 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,690 How's the, nor how's the average person supposed to do it? 437 00:21:40,135 --> 00:21:40,495 They don't. 438 00:21:40,535 --> 00:21:40,675 They 439 00:21:40,675 --> 00:21:43,155 watch our channels and figure it out that way. 440 00:21:44,295 --> 00:21:47,625 Alright, well I guess I'm gonna have to memorize them by heart until they like, 441 00:21:47,875 --> 00:21:50,815 change the naming scheme like five years down the line or some bullshit like that. 442 00:21:51,154 --> 00:21:51,564 Yeah. 443 00:21:52,135 --> 00:21:57,945 Let's see, Intel also has Panther Lake featuring Xe3 celestial graphics. 444 00:21:58,635 --> 00:21:59,545 I don't know very much about that. 445 00:21:59,545 --> 00:22:00,255 It doesn't mean anything. 446 00:22:00,265 --> 00:22:01,305 It doesn't mean anything. 447 00:22:02,205 --> 00:22:02,935 Celestial? 448 00:22:03,535 --> 00:22:03,845 What a joke. 449 00:22:03,845 --> 00:22:04,048 It's a 450 00:22:04,048 --> 00:22:04,149 joke. 451 00:22:04,499 --> 00:22:08,129 But in terms of, uh, graphics, I think the most important and 452 00:22:08,129 --> 00:22:11,860 significant announcement here are the AMD announcements. 453 00:22:11,919 --> 00:22:18,050 I mean the N NVIDIA announcements, because they just unveiled the RTX 5000 series. 454 00:22:18,769 --> 00:22:24,869 So the RTX 5090 is 1, 999. 455 00:22:24,870 --> 00:22:28,519 And it's got a bunch of specs that don't really matter until we get them 456 00:22:28,519 --> 00:22:32,479 in our hands, but it's going to be the most expensive, and it's probably 457 00:22:32,479 --> 00:22:34,090 going to be a lot faster than the 4090. 458 00:22:34,775 --> 00:22:36,985 And we also have a 5080 as well. 459 00:22:37,005 --> 00:22:38,735 Um, the 5080 is 9. 460 00:22:38,735 --> 00:22:42,124 99 and the 5070 Ti is 7. 461 00:22:42,125 --> 00:22:47,685 49 and the RTX 5070 is 549. 462 00:22:48,034 --> 00:22:53,045 There aren't any outlandish claims with these except for the 5070, which 463 00:22:53,185 --> 00:22:59,015 Nvidia claims will have 4090 level performance with AI and all that shit. 464 00:22:59,025 --> 00:23:00,275 So what are you guys thoughts on that? 465 00:23:02,955 --> 00:23:04,215 Do we believe it? 466 00:23:05,705 --> 00:23:07,655 I cannot believe it. 467 00:23:08,165 --> 00:23:10,304 I believe it with DLSS 4. 468 00:23:10,435 --> 00:23:14,184 I believe it, but you're not going to have the same experience. 469 00:23:14,385 --> 00:23:18,864 So, I don't remember what they said during the whole press conference thing, 470 00:23:18,874 --> 00:23:22,805 but if they ever claim that it's like the same experience, that's a lie. 471 00:23:23,225 --> 00:23:26,645 What's not a lie is that you'll have some, like you could probably 472 00:23:26,645 --> 00:23:28,729 have similar frame rate to it. 473 00:23:29,409 --> 00:23:31,209 But it's not the same. 474 00:23:31,239 --> 00:23:37,149 It's a, it's AI assisted or like, um, you know, uh, frame generated assistant. 475 00:23:37,309 --> 00:23:39,739 Like, we need to start having, like, better terms in the 476 00:23:39,739 --> 00:23:41,120 industry for this type of stuff. 477 00:23:41,329 --> 00:23:43,969 Cause it's, I think important cause a lot of people like it, 478 00:23:44,699 --> 00:23:45,969 and a lot of people don't like it. 479 00:23:46,489 --> 00:23:48,909 And to distinguish this, cause it's gonna become more and 480 00:23:48,909 --> 00:23:52,209 more of a thing with FSR and 481 00:23:52,209 --> 00:23:52,459 DLSS. 482 00:23:52,459 --> 00:23:56,699 Should it be, should the term be, uh, gameplay, gameplay slop? 483 00:23:58,279 --> 00:24:00,620 No, because it can improve over time. 484 00:24:00,620 --> 00:24:04,219 And like, for me, I don't mind playing with the LSS on the problem 485 00:24:04,219 --> 00:24:08,179 is what levels of quality do I enable? 486 00:24:08,219 --> 00:24:09,409 What other things do I enable? 487 00:24:09,409 --> 00:24:13,249 Like for me, all this tells me like the pricing scheme and everything. 488 00:24:13,749 --> 00:24:17,939 Why would I get a 50, 90, if I, if they're claiming to have such high frame 489 00:24:17,939 --> 00:24:21,709 rates for these games that maxed out, why, why wouldn't I go for the 50, 80? 490 00:24:21,709 --> 00:24:23,179 There's no games that really spent it. 491 00:24:23,309 --> 00:24:25,850 It's the 50, 70, they claimed had 40, 90 performance. 492 00:24:26,830 --> 00:24:31,199 I know, but like the 5090 though, like if you go look at the benchmarks 493 00:24:31,199 --> 00:24:32,969 though, like they're really high. 494 00:24:33,409 --> 00:24:37,189 And so with that frame rate, I don't care about that high of frame rate. 495 00:24:37,189 --> 00:24:40,199 I want the sweet spots, like around a hundred for me. 496 00:24:40,689 --> 00:24:45,019 Anything more is I don't do competitive stuff enough to where it matters. 497 00:24:45,029 --> 00:24:47,229 So why wouldn't I just buy a, like a 50, 70 TI? 498 00:24:48,069 --> 00:24:51,319 So that's my takeaway is like, I'm going to be spending less because of this. 499 00:24:51,819 --> 00:24:52,119 Yeah. 500 00:24:52,779 --> 00:24:57,269 I think with the, like DLSS, like the comparisons between intergenerational 501 00:24:57,289 --> 00:25:01,120 or cross generational cards and like using DLSS, I mean, like, obviously 502 00:25:01,419 --> 00:25:05,539 it works to their benefit in terms of marketing, but like, I, I don't get it. 503 00:25:05,539 --> 00:25:05,709 Right. 504 00:25:05,729 --> 00:25:06,779 Like, what does that mean? 505 00:25:06,789 --> 00:25:13,374 Does that mean, uh, 5070 with DLSS on compares to 4090 with DLSS off? 506 00:25:13,374 --> 00:25:16,084 Or is it like balanced versus quality? 507 00:25:16,084 --> 00:25:19,294 Or like, what is the, what does that, what do they actually mean? 508 00:25:19,294 --> 00:25:23,114 And I'm sure that's not what they, I'm sure how we quoted them, so to 509 00:25:23,114 --> 00:25:24,804 speak, is not what they actually said. 510 00:25:25,114 --> 00:25:28,234 Um, but I know that they made the comparison, which is just like, 511 00:25:28,254 --> 00:25:29,104 I don't know what that means. 512 00:25:29,435 --> 00:25:36,175 So their new technology with a DLSS 4 is multi frame a generation. 513 00:25:36,664 --> 00:25:37,344 So. 514 00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:42,040 It generates three frames per traditionally rendered frame. 515 00:25:42,659 --> 00:25:43,949 So here are some examples they gave us. 516 00:25:43,959 --> 00:25:48,449 So with DLSS off, they gave us 27 frames per second. 517 00:25:48,850 --> 00:25:54,449 With DLSS 2, it jumps up to 71, which I believe DLSS 2 is just upscaling, correct? 518 00:25:57,139 --> 00:25:58,889 And then DLSS 3. 519 00:25:58,889 --> 00:26:03,879 5 is where we had the first iteration of frame generation, which I believe 520 00:26:03,879 --> 00:26:06,899 is one frame per generate, one generate frame per regular frame. 521 00:26:07,489 --> 00:26:09,649 It's 142 FPS, supposedly. 522 00:26:09,959 --> 00:26:14,929 And now with multi frame generation, it's 243 frames per second. 523 00:26:15,909 --> 00:26:20,609 And part of me questions, like, the validity of this, because, like, 524 00:26:21,379 --> 00:26:25,119 I've seen, like, frame generation, and I'm gonna tell you right 525 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:26,249 now, it doesn't look very good. 526 00:26:26,479 --> 00:26:26,759 Like. 527 00:26:27,734 --> 00:26:29,284 Have you guys seen interpolated content? 528 00:26:29,294 --> 00:26:32,934 Like content that wasn't made for like a specific resolution, but people like 529 00:26:32,934 --> 00:26:35,984 to upscale it to 60 FPS or whatever. 530 00:26:35,994 --> 00:26:38,524 Like I've seen that and it looks really weird. 531 00:26:39,014 --> 00:26:42,624 And I've seen a lot of clips, both real life and like animation. 532 00:26:42,904 --> 00:26:43,974 It looks kind of terrible. 533 00:26:43,975 --> 00:26:48,224 And it's going to be a more sophisticated version of that. 534 00:26:48,224 --> 00:26:52,414 But part of me wonders if maybe this isn't the way to go. 535 00:26:52,414 --> 00:26:54,034 I mean, you're not even really generating frames. 536 00:26:54,064 --> 00:26:55,474 You're not even generating real frames. 537 00:26:55,484 --> 00:26:56,114 You're generating like. 538 00:26:57,384 --> 00:26:58,854 What if in between frames, 539 00:26:58,854 --> 00:26:59,224 right? 540 00:26:59,964 --> 00:27:02,804 So it's really easy to get cynical with this type of stuff. 541 00:27:02,864 --> 00:27:04,774 I want to know what direction do you think they should go? 542 00:27:04,794 --> 00:27:08,114 Cause our die shrinkage has already gotten almost to the point of we can't 543 00:27:08,114 --> 00:27:10,314 really go much more performance gains. 544 00:27:10,314 --> 00:27:14,064 I want to know what we could do to get performance gains from here on out without 545 00:27:14,064 --> 00:27:16,494 just increasing core count and memory. 546 00:27:16,494 --> 00:27:18,454 And maybe that's the answer, or maybe that's what they need to 547 00:27:18,464 --> 00:27:21,154 do, but where do we go from here? 548 00:27:21,154 --> 00:27:23,264 There's going to be some new technologies and they're going 549 00:27:23,264 --> 00:27:24,414 to be rough in the beginning. 550 00:27:24,979 --> 00:27:29,409 And I do, like for me, I like, I don't mind DLSS, I think, and even NVIDIA 551 00:27:29,419 --> 00:27:33,859 claimed that 80 percent of the people that play on their cards have DLSS enabled. 552 00:27:34,189 --> 00:27:37,779 So that claim alone, and this is coming from Linus Tech, I watched 553 00:27:37,779 --> 00:27:41,249 their podcast before this or at least part of it, that that claim alone 554 00:27:41,289 --> 00:27:44,439 indicates that like for the average person, they don't care so much. 555 00:27:44,719 --> 00:27:46,749 For me, I'm a mixed bag on this. 556 00:27:46,769 --> 00:27:47,999 It really depends on the game. 557 00:27:47,999 --> 00:27:50,049 But It just depends. 558 00:27:51,099 --> 00:27:55,419 I think the thing that's going to make the biggest difference is, like, How 559 00:27:55,419 --> 00:27:57,179 it feels when you're playing, right? 560 00:27:57,229 --> 00:28:00,239 Like, I don't think I've ever played a game with frame generation. 561 00:28:00,239 --> 00:28:01,279 Is it even available yet? 562 00:28:01,279 --> 00:28:01,749 I don't know. 563 00:28:02,679 --> 00:28:03,029 Black 564 00:28:03,029 --> 00:28:03,839 Myth Wukong has it. 565 00:28:04,049 --> 00:28:05,739 Okay, I haven't played that, so I don't know. 566 00:28:05,749 --> 00:28:10,759 But, if it doesn't feel good, If it doesn't feel like you're playing 567 00:28:10,759 --> 00:28:14,409 a game with a frame rate That. 568 00:28:15,509 --> 00:28:17,129 You know, with a higher frame rate, right? 569 00:28:17,129 --> 00:28:20,889 If it, if it feels like this weird interpolated kind of morphy bullshit, 570 00:28:20,909 --> 00:28:23,049 then it's not going to be worth it. 571 00:28:23,069 --> 00:28:23,809 You know what I'm saying? 572 00:28:24,269 --> 00:28:25,969 Um, so it has to feel right. 573 00:28:26,349 --> 00:28:31,749 And what I have found is that a lot of people just don't have an eye for the, the 574 00:28:31,749 --> 00:28:36,849 minor details in an image, and they don't have a, they, people have a better feel 575 00:28:36,859 --> 00:28:40,239 for how a game feels than how it looks. 576 00:28:40,619 --> 00:28:43,639 And so that's going to be what is really important here. 577 00:28:44,049 --> 00:28:47,489 Um, Personally, I'll try it, right? 578 00:28:47,539 --> 00:28:48,749 I am skeptical of it. 579 00:28:48,769 --> 00:28:55,189 I just don't see how, like, deep learning can generate frames unless 580 00:28:55,189 --> 00:28:58,209 it's also pulling the controller at a higher frame rate or something. 581 00:28:58,579 --> 00:29:03,439 I just don't see how it is going to be able to Make it feel better to play. 582 00:29:03,469 --> 00:29:04,399 I just, I don't know. 583 00:29:04,509 --> 00:29:08,869 So, partly, from my understanding of how the technology works is that when 584 00:29:08,869 --> 00:29:12,269 you're playing, let's say a first person shooter, Um, and you're gonna 585 00:29:12,269 --> 00:29:16,289 turn, well a lot of the pixels on there are already gonna be the same. 586 00:29:16,299 --> 00:29:19,769 Like, when you turn just a little bit, especially with how fast it's rendering, 587 00:29:20,239 --> 00:29:21,459 It's not gonna change a whole lot. 588 00:29:21,609 --> 00:29:27,309 So they can already, um, like, Just like they can already detect what, what 589 00:29:27,389 --> 00:29:30,709 99 percent of the pixels are probably gonna look like each time it renders. 590 00:29:31,119 --> 00:29:32,849 That's how it works. 591 00:29:32,869 --> 00:29:38,549 And I think it will get better, but at the same time, I don't like, once you 592 00:29:38,549 --> 00:29:44,979 get past a certain amount, your eyes can't tell it's only really, I, it's 593 00:29:44,999 --> 00:29:49,929 just kind of like saying 243 is just kind of a marketing kind of thing. 594 00:29:49,939 --> 00:29:50,499 It's, it's a brand. 595 00:29:50,499 --> 00:29:50,659 Yeah. 596 00:29:50,659 --> 00:29:50,809 Right. 597 00:29:50,809 --> 00:29:50,949 Thanks. 598 00:29:52,195 --> 00:29:56,345 Gardner, to your point, uh, it doesn't address input latency whatsoever. 599 00:29:56,345 --> 00:29:56,635 Right. 600 00:29:56,635 --> 00:29:58,655 So, so that, that does still exist. 601 00:29:58,655 --> 00:30:01,295 So, you know, a 27. 602 00:30:01,660 --> 00:30:04,919 FPS game that somehow gets to 243 FPS. 603 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,740 Like it'll still feel like a 30 FPS game ish. 604 00:30:08,130 --> 00:30:12,720 Um, but, but yeah, it may be to James's point, right? 605 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:18,040 Like a one, 142 FPS game that goes up to 243, right? 606 00:30:18,050 --> 00:30:22,790 Like you, you know, You don't need it to be more responsive than 142 FPS. 607 00:30:22,810 --> 00:30:26,600 Although like we said earlier in competitive games, that may help, but 608 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,220 generally speaking, it's not important. 609 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,129 Um, so maybe that's something where, yeah, maybe that helps. 610 00:30:31,129 --> 00:30:31,560 I don't know. 611 00:30:31,940 --> 00:30:36,995 Um, Yeah, I think for me, um, I mean, like I, I still have like a four year old 612 00:30:37,005 --> 00:30:39,165 graphics card in my, in my desktop, right? 613 00:30:39,185 --> 00:30:43,455 I am thinking about upgrading right now, but it, it's just, uh, it's 614 00:30:43,455 --> 00:30:44,504 not that big of a deal for me. 615 00:30:44,505 --> 00:30:46,655 I mostly game on the steam deck or GLX. 616 00:30:46,665 --> 00:30:49,485 So yeah, I'm, I'm fine with lower graphics. 617 00:30:49,915 --> 00:30:54,205 Yeah, so one more thing I should mention is that I don't 618 00:30:54,205 --> 00:30:55,515 have an issue with upscaling. 619 00:30:55,545 --> 00:30:56,845 That's not my concern. 620 00:30:56,845 --> 00:30:58,575 I think upscaling is fine. 621 00:30:58,635 --> 00:31:02,814 I wish games didn't require it, but I mean, it is what it is nowadays. 622 00:31:03,335 --> 00:31:07,715 It's just the, yeah, like, traditionally speaking, the big issue with frame 623 00:31:07,715 --> 00:31:11,965 generation is that In order to make the, like, in order for it to be super useful, 624 00:31:11,965 --> 00:31:15,785 you kind of already need to generate frame, like a good frame rate already. 625 00:31:15,795 --> 00:31:19,145 Like it's recommended that you have 60 frames per second before 626 00:31:19,145 --> 00:31:20,915 you use like frame generation. 627 00:31:20,915 --> 00:31:26,254 So I'm curious as how NVIDIA addressed this, because I've seen frame generation 628 00:31:26,264 --> 00:31:31,975 like below, like at 30 FPS and it's, it doesn't look pretty, it looks a lot 629 00:31:31,985 --> 00:31:36,535 better when you have like 60 FPS as the minimum, but like a lot of modern 630 00:31:36,555 --> 00:31:38,439 triple A games don't run at 60 FPS. 631 00:31:39,590 --> 00:31:42,600 Unless you have really good hardware, or you're running at low resolutions. 632 00:31:43,260 --> 00:31:46,280 Like, I think Dragon's Dogma 2, like, last year, was pretty infamous 633 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:47,540 for this, if you guys recall. 634 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,479 The, like, framework with chugging towns. 635 00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:53,090 Yeah. 636 00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:58,040 I mean, James, earlier you said something about, like, dies are shrinking, right? 637 00:31:58,070 --> 00:32:01,810 And we're coming up on the end of Moore's Law. 638 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,219 What is the game industry going to do? 639 00:32:04,710 --> 00:32:06,730 The fact is, there's a lot that they can do. 640 00:32:06,740 --> 00:32:08,910 There's a lot of performance that's still on the table. 641 00:32:09,340 --> 00:32:11,740 They're not optimizing their games for hardware. 642 00:32:12,110 --> 00:32:15,160 They're, you know, they're making sure that it works, and then 643 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,960 they're updating the drivers to optimize it that way, right? 644 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:24,140 They're, they're offloading a lot of performance stuff on hardware vendors. 645 00:32:24,650 --> 00:32:29,579 And at this point, I think what game developers can do is optimize 646 00:32:29,790 --> 00:32:32,389 for lowest common denominator hardware, which is going to be 647 00:32:32,389 --> 00:32:34,259 the Steam Deck, right, for PCs. 648 00:32:35,019 --> 00:32:39,560 And then from there, you'll have much better performance on higher end systems. 649 00:32:39,770 --> 00:32:44,480 So, I just, I'm really skeptical about all this stuff because I don't think it's 650 00:32:44,490 --> 00:32:48,970 that necessary, like, especially if, you know, it's recommended you have 60 FPS 651 00:32:48,999 --> 00:32:51,130 before you even turn on frame generation. 652 00:32:51,619 --> 00:32:57,309 I just don't see how adding extra stuff that's not actually reacting to your 653 00:32:57,310 --> 00:33:01,849 gameplay, like your inputs, between frames, is gonna make a difference at all. 654 00:33:02,010 --> 00:33:03,030 I, I don't know. 655 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:04,100 I, I wanna try it. 656 00:33:04,140 --> 00:33:06,620 I'm, I'm not, like, completely poo pooing this technology. 657 00:33:06,620 --> 00:33:09,359 I just, it, I did, I just don't see how it makes sense. 658 00:33:11,300 --> 00:33:16,830 Yeah, I don't that it's 243, right? 659 00:33:16,860 --> 00:33:22,200 Like, yeah, but what this all, all this tells me is that if they're going to claim 660 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:28,630 40, 90 experience and I can put a game in there that is a very intensive game. 661 00:33:28,850 --> 00:33:32,490 And if I don't get similar to the, uh, like the, with the 50, 70 similar 662 00:33:32,490 --> 00:33:38,040 to the 40, 90, then false advertising and I'm going to be pissed off. 663 00:33:38,300 --> 00:33:38,570 That's all. 664 00:33:38,570 --> 00:33:39,440 Make that video. 665 00:33:40,235 --> 00:33:41,565 Yeah, like I'd make a video. 666 00:33:41,605 --> 00:33:48,295 Well, I'd have to get it and they can't they can't watch this but But the 57 667 00:33:48,305 --> 00:33:52,425 like all this really tells me Like ipl, I kind of wanna build a new computer 668 00:33:52,425 --> 00:33:54,165 this year and I have a 30 90 right now. 669 00:33:54,725 --> 00:33:57,185 I might just go with the 50 70 TI or something like that. 670 00:33:57,185 --> 00:34:01,225 I don't need to buy the $2,000, uh, series one. 671 00:34:01,225 --> 00:34:07,275 I'm fine with DLSS, uh, being turned on for my stuff and I might stop playing 672 00:34:07,275 --> 00:34:10,545 at the highest settings 'cause even the highest settings don't really matter these 673 00:34:10,545 --> 00:34:12,705 days as much like Ultra and all that. 674 00:34:12,705 --> 00:34:15,706 I might just start playing it high and uh, just. 675 00:34:16,225 --> 00:34:18,635 Going with that, the biggest thing that I don't like is that 676 00:34:18,735 --> 00:34:20,255 it has 16 gigabytes of RAM. 677 00:34:20,255 --> 00:34:25,005 So I'd be dropping my RAM, my VRAM that is, from what my 3090 is. 678 00:34:25,405 --> 00:34:31,285 Um, I'm not a fan of that, but beyond that, I, it's just kind 679 00:34:31,285 --> 00:34:32,885 of not selling me on the 5090. 680 00:34:33,575 --> 00:34:34,424 That's a, that's a good point. 681 00:34:34,455 --> 00:34:37,085 The, even the 5080 has 16 gigs, right? 682 00:34:37,085 --> 00:34:42,055 So like, yeah, that might've been a place for at least the 5080 to go to 32. 683 00:34:43,150 --> 00:34:46,920 So frame generation, like this type of stuff, I saw a bunch of stuff on this. 684 00:34:47,220 --> 00:34:52,429 The frame generation in these DLSS technology helps with the RAM usage. 685 00:34:52,429 --> 00:34:52,789 Yes. 686 00:34:52,810 --> 00:34:53,510 So it does help. 687 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:53,960 It does. 688 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,860 They must be doing a bunch of like, it must be doing more 689 00:34:56,860 --> 00:34:57,840 than what they're claiming. 690 00:34:58,270 --> 00:35:03,040 Um, with, uh, with optimizing textures and stuff like that. 691 00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:09,240 So, well, well, Apple said they're eight gigabytes of RAM is equivalent to like 692 00:35:09,260 --> 00:35:12,380 16 gigabytes on a normal Windows PC. 693 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:13,430 Remember that claim? 694 00:35:14,900 --> 00:35:17,190 They know how to optimize their RAM usage really well. 695 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:18,780 Yeah, I know. 696 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,700 I also don't like what they do with their RAM either, but like, 697 00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:22,920 they do optimize much better. 698 00:35:23,570 --> 00:35:24,090 I'll say that. 699 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:26,010 But they run on Unix. 700 00:35:26,780 --> 00:35:28,060 They have better garbage collection. 701 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,680 They have a whole different reason why they can get away 702 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,020 with lower amounts of RAM. 703 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,420 They also have a very fixed amount of hardware that they have to 704 00:35:37,420 --> 00:35:41,050 support with their OS, versus Windows, which does everything. 705 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:41,630 Yep. 706 00:35:41,830 --> 00:35:42,680 Very optimized. 707 00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:46,100 They can optimize very easily, and that goes to the Gardener's point of 708 00:35:46,100 --> 00:35:49,720 like, you need to start optimizing more for the lowest, like, for the lowest 709 00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:52,669 one, and that's what Apple does, and then everything else works great up. 710 00:35:53,240 --> 00:35:55,150 Steam Deck needs to become the new standard. 711 00:35:55,180 --> 00:35:57,370 I think game developers really need to understand that. 712 00:35:57,955 --> 00:35:59,505 Uh, especially Unreal. 713 00:35:59,655 --> 00:36:02,525 Epic doesn't want to deal with Valve's stuff, but they're going to have to 714 00:36:02,525 --> 00:36:07,564 understand that Steam Deck is probably going to be the new standard low spec. 715 00:36:07,564 --> 00:36:12,014 It's a good spec to hit, and I think most games would do great if they 716 00:36:12,014 --> 00:36:12,445 hit that. 717 00:36:13,634 --> 00:36:18,485 Man, yeah, so speaking of which, let's see, so Dell, we'll see what 718 00:36:18,485 --> 00:36:20,055 else they had, we had to see, yes. 719 00:36:20,115 --> 00:36:23,755 Dell, they killed off their entire line of products except for Alienware. 720 00:36:24,145 --> 00:36:29,025 They instead now have Del, DelPro, and DelProMax, each with their 721 00:36:29,025 --> 00:36:30,835 own base, plus, and premium. 722 00:36:31,275 --> 00:36:33,884 That's not going to be confusing. 723 00:36:33,885 --> 00:36:35,464 And then they 724 00:36:35,465 --> 00:36:36,485 simplified it. 725 00:36:36,664 --> 00:36:38,554 We can move, like, let's talk a little bit. 726 00:36:38,555 --> 00:36:42,494 Just we, they simplified it and yet made it complicated. 727 00:36:42,494 --> 00:36:44,625 So they killed off like names and stuff like that. 728 00:36:44,634 --> 00:36:47,315 And then they went DelBasePlusPro, uh, premium. 729 00:36:48,115 --> 00:36:51,865 And then they did DelProProMax, the kind of like what Apple does. 730 00:36:51,865 --> 00:36:53,180 Del, . They're just, 731 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:54,680 I don't know, getting mad. 732 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:55,280 Is it really? 733 00:36:55,280 --> 00:37:00,290 Is it, is it Dell Depro and then Depro Max, and then each of those 734 00:37:00,290 --> 00:37:02,405 have, and then each of those have like a base, and then they have 735 00:37:02,515 --> 00:37:04,340 plus, so it's de and then Premium 736 00:37:04,580 --> 00:37:06,200 Depro Max Premium. 737 00:37:06,410 --> 00:37:06,920 That's such, 738 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:07,580 I guess, 739 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:08,090 oh my God. 740 00:37:09,090 --> 00:37:11,860 Is it Alienware Pro Max Premium 2 or what? 741 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:12,200 Uh, I 742 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,890 think they're just keeping the Alienware stuff the way it is right now. 743 00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:20,649 Speaking of which, I'm surprised Dell hasn't jumped in with their 744 00:37:20,649 --> 00:37:22,180 stupid Alienware UFO thing. 745 00:37:22,180 --> 00:37:24,530 I remember hearing about that many, many years ago at a CES. 746 00:37:25,369 --> 00:37:27,070 Woah, is not stupid. 747 00:37:27,090 --> 00:37:27,720 Alright, okay. 748 00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:29,850 I'm not saying it's stupid. 749 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:31,530 I'm saying Dell is stupid. 750 00:37:31,540 --> 00:37:33,270 Sorry, I should've rephrased that. 751 00:37:35,140 --> 00:37:37,490 No, that thing is awesome and they should've released it. 752 00:37:37,775 --> 00:37:38,735 They should have released it. 753 00:37:38,915 --> 00:37:42,635 We still better yet, I mean, yeah, they can like, I think it's, I 754 00:37:42,635 --> 00:37:44,405 mean the design looks fairly fine. 755 00:37:44,405 --> 00:37:47,285 Like from what I can remember, I, I mean, I've never touched it before 756 00:37:47,825 --> 00:37:52,865 and I'll, but like I remember the device looked like a decent handheld. 757 00:37:52,955 --> 00:37:54,425 This is, it looks like a r it 758 00:37:54,425 --> 00:37:55,145 was a Legion go. 759 00:37:55,535 --> 00:37:56,615 It looks like a legion go. 760 00:37:57,780 --> 00:37:58,070 Yeah. 761 00:37:58,330 --> 00:37:59,435 It has detachable. 762 00:37:59,845 --> 00:38:04,685 Controllers that has a back it and I think the screen is a little bigger. 763 00:38:04,685 --> 00:38:05,915 I think it's like an 8 inch screen. 764 00:38:05,915 --> 00:38:07,495 Maybe 10 Yeah, it was 765 00:38:07,565 --> 00:38:10,195 using like really old like Intel hardware back in the day. 766 00:38:10,424 --> 00:38:16,155 So obviously so they The uh, the hardware side, I think 767 00:38:16,374 --> 00:38:21,234 I'm looking at a Image of it and it's got like that weird trapezoidal 768 00:38:21,235 --> 00:38:24,425 bezel and it's like what is that? 769 00:38:26,804 --> 00:38:31,580 It's kind of weird But they wouldn't have to change it that much to then ship it. 770 00:38:31,580 --> 00:38:32,133 Just 771 00:38:32,133 --> 00:38:35,370 add a, just add a thumb pad and you're good to go. 772 00:38:36,070 --> 00:38:36,910 And yeah. 773 00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:45,900 So speaking of which we also had the Acer nitro blaze devices and like they exist, 774 00:38:46,150 --> 00:38:49,960 I guess, I don't really think there's anything really noteworthy about these. 775 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:54,630 I mean, the blaze 11 has detachable controllers, but that's about it. 776 00:38:55,780 --> 00:38:57,800 Oh, and also stuff that wasn't on the list. 777 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,980 I should probably should have added this, but they also had another Zotac zone. 778 00:39:01,980 --> 00:39:04,870 Like, didn't they just release one again a few months ago and now 779 00:39:04,870 --> 00:39:06,089 they have a better version of one. 780 00:39:06,149 --> 00:39:06,880 Isn't that like, 781 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:12,930 so I'm a little bit, I don't know if it's out of the loop because I 782 00:39:12,930 --> 00:39:16,810 know they, they, you know, the Acer nitro blaze and the Zotac zone both 783 00:39:16,810 --> 00:39:18,460 came out, but here's the thing. 784 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:20,090 Where do you buy them? 785 00:39:20,300 --> 00:39:23,000 Like, I think you can buy them in EU, right? 786 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,220 But like, Zotac Zone, can you buy that in the US? 787 00:39:26,100 --> 00:39:27,200 Uh, I don't know, maybe. 788 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:31,980 ETA Prime got one, so either they sent it to him, or like, I 789 00:39:31,980 --> 00:39:34,654 mean, they definitely sent it to him, but like, Yeah, yeah, yeah. 790 00:39:34,945 --> 00:39:36,425 I'm sure you can buy one in the U. 791 00:39:36,425 --> 00:39:36,575 S. 792 00:39:36,585 --> 00:39:37,175 somewhere. 793 00:39:37,175 --> 00:39:38,394 I just wouldn't. 794 00:39:38,395 --> 00:39:38,845 Oh, maybe. 795 00:39:39,095 --> 00:39:40,735 Yeah, probably on Amazon or something. 796 00:39:40,735 --> 00:39:40,935 I 797 00:39:40,945 --> 00:39:42,745 don't see a link on their website. 798 00:39:42,845 --> 00:39:43,084 I'm 799 00:39:43,084 --> 00:39:43,594 saying! 800 00:39:45,525 --> 00:39:48,035 It's pretty hard to buy one, I'm pretty sure. 801 00:39:48,055 --> 00:39:48,205 Like, 802 00:39:48,544 --> 00:39:48,954 yeah. 803 00:39:48,975 --> 00:39:49,345 Huh. 804 00:39:49,685 --> 00:39:49,945 Maybe 805 00:39:49,945 --> 00:39:53,195 they just didn't sell it. 806 00:39:54,155 --> 00:39:57,455 I don't remember the Zotac Zone having trackpads on it. 807 00:39:57,715 --> 00:39:58,275 Interesting. 808 00:39:58,955 --> 00:40:01,605 Yeah, it has dual trackpads, but none of the reviewers 809 00:40:01,605 --> 00:40:03,314 ever talk about the trackpads. 810 00:40:03,405 --> 00:40:07,665 Like Apparently they don't work with Steam Input, but I wouldn't know since 811 00:40:07,695 --> 00:40:09,285 none of the reviewers mentioned it. 812 00:40:11,305 --> 00:40:11,995 Honestly, it 813 00:40:11,995 --> 00:40:13,855 looks good for the most part. 814 00:40:13,884 --> 00:40:16,115 It just should be a SteamOS device. 815 00:40:17,714 --> 00:40:20,984 Yeah, I, I don't see anywhere to buy it on their website. 816 00:40:20,984 --> 00:40:22,724 I'm on their store and it's not there. 817 00:40:23,255 --> 00:40:23,605 So, 818 00:40:23,825 --> 00:40:27,565 well, there, they did unveil a new version of ZPS, so that might be why. 819 00:40:28,645 --> 00:40:32,725 And, um, You know, high tech, you mentioned reviewers, but like, 820 00:40:32,725 --> 00:40:34,465 how many reviewers are there? 821 00:40:34,465 --> 00:40:37,465 Like actual, like not early reviews, not previews, but like 822 00:40:37,465 --> 00:40:39,615 reviewers, I think it's pretty much. 823 00:40:40,145 --> 00:40:40,544 Is it 824 00:40:40,705 --> 00:40:43,835 like, I think ETA prime labeled his as a review. 825 00:40:43,915 --> 00:40:44,165 Yes. 826 00:40:44,165 --> 00:40:49,195 I think there's a bunch of different publications as well, but that's about it. 827 00:40:49,195 --> 00:40:49,385 Yeah. 828 00:40:49,385 --> 00:40:50,785 There aren't too many reviewers. 829 00:40:51,025 --> 00:40:51,365 Yeah. 830 00:40:51,955 --> 00:40:52,355 Yeah. 831 00:40:52,375 --> 00:40:56,535 But the big stuff at CES was Lenovo. 832 00:40:56,945 --> 00:40:59,025 And I think Gardner wants to talk about Lenovo. 833 00:41:00,115 --> 00:41:02,225 Oh, I'm, I'm all about this. 834 00:41:02,345 --> 00:41:03,535 This is pretty cool. 835 00:41:03,585 --> 00:41:08,214 Uh, the, it comes in a bunch of different flavors, but the one I'm 836 00:41:08,214 --> 00:41:13,335 most interested in is the Lenovo Legion Go S hyphen powered by SteamOS. 837 00:41:13,384 --> 00:41:14,595 This thing. 838 00:41:15,180 --> 00:41:15,940 Is pretty neat. 839 00:41:16,050 --> 00:41:18,850 Now, I've seen a couple comments, because I did a video about this a few 840 00:41:18,850 --> 00:41:22,890 days ago, and uh, a couple comments are saying, Oh, it's, it's a Z1 841 00:41:22,900 --> 00:41:24,550 powered device and blah, blah, blah. 842 00:41:24,910 --> 00:41:26,250 It's, it's antiquated. 843 00:41:26,299 --> 00:41:28,220 Which, it just boggles my mind. 844 00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:33,139 But the fact is, you can, I believe you can get it in a Z2, uh, thing. 845 00:41:33,250 --> 00:41:34,170 Am I wrong about that? 846 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:35,469 You can get the The 847 00:41:35,470 --> 00:41:36,200 Z2 Go? 848 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:36,970 Yeah. 849 00:41:37,150 --> 00:41:37,930 I believe the Z2 850 00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:40,430 Go is actually weaker than the Z1 Extreme. 851 00:41:40,730 --> 00:41:41,530 Oh, is it really? 852 00:41:41,620 --> 00:41:42,970 See, I'm not a hardware guy. 853 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:44,340 I mean Technically. 854 00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:50,700 But, I wanna, I'm wondering if the Z2 Go is better, um, battery, 855 00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:51,780 like better on the battery. 856 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:57,810 It uses the older RDNA 2, which I think is what, um, Steam Deck uses. 857 00:41:57,820 --> 00:42:02,069 So, it, I wouldn't be shocked if that's the one that's default for Steam OS. 858 00:42:02,069 --> 00:42:06,739 Because it resembles the Steam, it, it's like I said, better on the battery. 859 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:11,600 It, it, uh, valve is gonna be targeting EMD first, and so whatever's gonna 860 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,240 get closest to what they already have working is probably gonna be what's 861 00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:15,890 going to, to be released first. 862 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:16,460 Yeah. 863 00:42:16,460 --> 00:42:19,640 So, to be honest, I was questioning at first why they would even make a 864 00:42:19,700 --> 00:42:24,980 Z two go that's weaker than like the Z one extreme, but then I, it hit me. 865 00:42:25,610 --> 00:42:30,200 What if this was just the steam deck, like SOC, like straight up and they 866 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:31,940 just rebranded it to the Z two Go. 867 00:42:32,570 --> 00:42:32,600 Mm. 868 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,640 12 RDNA, so it has 12, uh, compute units, right? 869 00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:39,480 And so that's, that's a lot. 870 00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:41,370 It's the same as the Xeon Extreme. 871 00:42:41,940 --> 00:42:44,889 It's, I don't, it's going to be quite a bit more powerful than the Steam 872 00:42:44,889 --> 00:42:47,159 Deck, but I don't know about how much more powerful, because I don't 873 00:42:47,340 --> 00:42:47,540 think 874 00:42:48,670 --> 00:42:51,189 this Steam Deck has that much compute units, so. 875 00:42:52,019 --> 00:42:52,299 The 876 00:42:52,310 --> 00:42:54,060 Steam Deck has 8 compute units, I think. 877 00:42:54,060 --> 00:42:54,400 Yeah. 878 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:55,080 Yeah. 879 00:42:56,430 --> 00:42:58,250 So, Oh, go ahead. 880 00:42:58,730 --> 00:43:02,000 Yeah, so there were some preliminary benchmarks from Dave2D. 881 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,770 Uh, and he did some, he did some testing. 882 00:43:04,830 --> 00:43:07,689 There are improved frame rates, for sure. 883 00:43:08,250 --> 00:43:10,890 But, I mean, these aren't like, official benchmarks. 884 00:43:10,940 --> 00:43:13,069 This is just him messing around and recording some numbers. 885 00:43:13,129 --> 00:43:13,369 It's 886 00:43:13,369 --> 00:43:15,960 like pre release, pre release hardware that he has too, right? 887 00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:16,640 Yes. 888 00:43:16,700 --> 00:43:17,110 Yeah. 889 00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:24,370 Um, yeah, I mean, the thing is, like, this has, uh, 32 gigabytes of RAM. 890 00:43:24,370 --> 00:43:24,439 Um, yeah. 891 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,569 And up to yeah, up to 32. 892 00:43:27,570 --> 00:43:27,880 Yeah. 893 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:32,060 So they'll probably have like one or like two different models like you 894 00:43:32,060 --> 00:43:34,359 can get the 16 gig or the 32 gig. 895 00:43:34,860 --> 00:43:40,460 And, uh, but I believe that the, the SteamOS model starts at 16 gigs 896 00:43:40,579 --> 00:43:43,979 and then 512 gigabytes of storage. 897 00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:49,130 And then, uh, and the, uh, Windows version is going to have a 898 00:43:49,130 --> 00:43:50,960 release this month at some point. 899 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,170 And then it's going to have like a. 900 00:43:53,575 --> 00:43:58,175 Lower end release alongside the SteamOS version in May. 901 00:43:58,845 --> 00:43:59,085 Um. 902 00:43:59,105 --> 00:43:59,675 Yes. 903 00:44:00,105 --> 00:44:00,475 Right. 904 00:44:00,725 --> 00:44:06,035 And so, I'm really excited about it because having more SteamOS 905 00:44:06,065 --> 00:44:08,715 powered hardware on the market is going to make a huge difference. 906 00:44:08,895 --> 00:44:11,904 And with the price point starting at like, what is it, 499? 907 00:44:11,915 --> 00:44:12,785 So 500? 908 00:44:13,005 --> 00:44:13,215 Yeah. 909 00:44:13,265 --> 00:44:15,665 I mean, that's going to be a big deal. 910 00:44:15,665 --> 00:44:19,395 It's going to be like price competitive with the Steam Deck. 911 00:44:19,495 --> 00:44:19,865 Um. 912 00:44:20,535 --> 00:44:25,005 And, and it'll also have like upgraded hardware, and you'll be 913 00:44:25,005 --> 00:44:30,854 able to get a 32 gigabyte model with uh, 1 terabyte of storage. 914 00:44:30,895 --> 00:44:35,884 And that's, I'm imagining 1 terabyte of storage, um, for a little bit more. 915 00:44:35,895 --> 00:44:37,925 And I think that that's gonna be a big deal. 916 00:44:37,935 --> 00:44:41,775 Like, people will be able to like, actually play their games in a way 917 00:44:41,775 --> 00:44:47,605 that is, Ergonomic, you know, in terms of, uh, How you, like, your experience 918 00:44:47,875 --> 00:44:52,665 with the software, um, And, and people, like, like I was saying earlier, I 919 00:44:52,674 --> 00:44:57,545 think people are, like, bullish on the Steam Deck, Or on, on SteamOS now, Where 920 00:44:57,545 --> 00:45:02,225 before it was kind of like this meme of, like, oh, Linux for gaming, you know? 921 00:45:02,295 --> 00:45:05,545 So, I don't know, I'd love, what are your guys thoughts on this? 922 00:45:07,725 --> 00:45:09,415 Um, Go ahead, 923 00:45:09,425 --> 00:45:09,685 James. 924 00:45:09,685 --> 00:45:09,889 Go to sleep. 925 00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:13,810 Rich, Rich. 926 00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:14,880 Go first. 927 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:15,220 go. 928 00:45:16,010 --> 00:45:22,170 Um, so I am excited for more, just like you Gardner, more steamOS devices. 929 00:45:22,500 --> 00:45:24,399 I'm not that excited for this device. 930 00:45:24,399 --> 00:45:26,759 Like, I think it's cool that it exists. 931 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:28,950 Um, I don't know. 932 00:45:29,010 --> 00:45:30,700 I mean, like, until I get it in my hands, right? 933 00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:34,140 Like, I don't yet know, like, who I would necessarily recommend it to. 934 00:45:34,140 --> 00:45:37,080 Is it like, You know, slightly more powerful, slightly more, 935 00:45:37,130 --> 00:45:40,090 you know, cost slightly more than the entry level steam deck. 936 00:45:40,090 --> 00:45:43,790 So maybe if, if you are, if you want a steam deck, but you just want a little 937 00:45:43,790 --> 00:45:51,555 more power, um, So, like, for me, uh, the RGLI X, uh, the RGLI didn't really 938 00:45:51,555 --> 00:45:55,195 fit anything that I was looking for at the time, right, but the RGLI X did, 939 00:45:55,235 --> 00:46:01,044 which is, it felt like, uh, with Bazight, like I got an upgrade on the Steam Deck, 940 00:46:01,044 --> 00:46:04,634 because I got the more power, but I kept the good battery life, right, because 941 00:46:04,635 --> 00:46:10,520 it just has a large battery, so I was able to still play, Five hours of low 942 00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:14,800 end games, but then now I can play high end games and play, you know, two hours. 943 00:46:15,230 --> 00:46:19,340 Um, whereas the go S sit somewhere in the middle there, right. 944 00:46:19,340 --> 00:46:20,819 And closer to the steam deck. 945 00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,050 Uh, and so, uh, you know, it, it just, there's a little bit of like, 946 00:46:26,285 --> 00:46:28,115 It doesn't feel like the right time. 947 00:46:28,605 --> 00:46:32,755 Um, but I may change my mind once I actually get my hands on it. 948 00:46:32,755 --> 00:46:34,585 It does look really comfortable, for example. 949 00:46:34,855 --> 00:46:39,055 And so maybe that's something that like, once I play around with it, it'll, I, the 950 00:46:39,965 --> 00:46:42,115 reason for being will come to my mind. 951 00:46:42,115 --> 00:46:42,649 You know what I mean? 952 00:46:42,650 --> 00:46:43,070 Mm-hmm 953 00:46:43,940 --> 00:46:44,030 . Yeah. 954 00:46:44,035 --> 00:46:48,415 I'm just really excited about the, uh, the LEDs around the, or on the thumb sticks. 955 00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:50,990 . It's gonna make it run faster. 956 00:46:52,780 --> 00:46:53,380 Rv, you know how it is, it's like, 957 00:46:53,740 --> 00:46:56,440 it's like those Nike, uh, like light up shoes that kids 958 00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:57,490 used to wear in the nineties. 959 00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:57,760 Yeah. 960 00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:57,940 You know? 961 00:46:57,940 --> 00:46:58,120 Oh my 962 00:46:58,120 --> 00:46:58,575 God. 963 00:46:58,960 --> 00:46:59,650 Oh, hold up. 964 00:46:59,650 --> 00:47:01,090 I lot, I like the lights kind of 965 00:47:01,870 --> 00:47:02,381 I just wanna make sure. 966 00:47:02,386 --> 00:47:02,500 Sure. 967 00:47:02,500 --> 00:47:03,130 I do like that. 968 00:47:03,130 --> 00:47:04,690 I want, I wanna be able to turn 'em off though, too. 969 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:05,620 . Yes. 970 00:47:05,650 --> 00:47:08,470 That'll be interesting to see how they configure that in Steam os. 971 00:47:08,475 --> 00:47:08,955 Mm-hmm . Um. 972 00:47:09,695 --> 00:47:13,764 So for me, I see this device as Steam Deck 1. 973 00:47:13,765 --> 00:47:14,565 5. 974 00:47:15,215 --> 00:47:17,245 It's not a Steam Deck 2 kind of device. 975 00:47:17,275 --> 00:47:20,495 It has almost everything I want the Steam Deck 2 to have. 976 00:47:21,834 --> 00:47:24,104 The performance is what's going to be the seller for me. 977 00:47:24,435 --> 00:47:28,164 If it feels like it's at least 30 percent faster than the Steam 978 00:47:28,164 --> 00:47:30,674 Deck, I will most likely buy this. 979 00:47:30,675 --> 00:47:35,355 Cause it has, um, I know a few games I've played that the RAM has been the 980 00:47:35,355 --> 00:47:40,145 limited, the limiter 32 gigabytes of RAM has eight inches, which is what I want. 981 00:47:42,029 --> 00:47:43,900 It's my favorite size, uh, of screen. 982 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:44,850 It's honestly pretty. 983 00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:45,890 Okay, okay. 984 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:48,000 I love eight inches. 985 00:47:48,029 --> 00:47:48,620 Um, no. 986 00:47:49,050 --> 00:47:55,970 So, uh, then, then, uh, the battery, yeah, battery could be a little higher, 987 00:47:56,019 --> 00:48:00,289 uh, I think, but then it's got the two USB fours, which then I can play around 988 00:48:00,289 --> 00:48:03,189 with, um, eGPUs with SteamOS and stuff. 989 00:48:03,189 --> 00:48:06,229 That'd be really fun to try out, uh, just to play, just to play around with, 990 00:48:06,259 --> 00:48:07,719 just to see what we can get going. 991 00:48:08,039 --> 00:48:12,779 Uh, it allows for me to play with SteamOS more, which I've already kind of exhausted 992 00:48:12,779 --> 00:48:13,619 a lot of stuff on Steam back then. 993 00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:16,399 So that's fair. 994 00:48:16,399 --> 00:48:18,949 That's for, for me, that's kind of where that plays. 995 00:48:19,369 --> 00:48:21,409 I, it'll be interesting to see what the configuration I 996 00:48:21,409 --> 00:48:23,124 want will be priced, but yeah. 997 00:48:23,124 --> 00:48:23,444 Mm-hmm 998 00:48:24,159 --> 00:48:27,099 . Yeah, I, I, I'm, I'm keen on getting more details. 999 00:48:27,099 --> 00:48:31,989 I'm keen on seeing more like actual reviews and comparisons with the 1000 00:48:31,989 --> 00:48:37,299 Dex hardware, but I, I do think that this is good overall, especially 1001 00:48:37,299 --> 00:48:42,289 because this is the first non-valve. 1002 00:48:42,724 --> 00:48:48,494 SteamOS device and that and and that means that we're getting SteamOS for sure as 1003 00:48:48,494 --> 00:48:52,544 a beta from Valve pretty soon They said 1004 00:48:53,464 --> 00:48:55,714 before the Legion go s releases. 1005 00:48:55,934 --> 00:49:02,903 Yeah, so probably sometime between now April and April or whatever I 1006 00:49:02,903 --> 00:49:05,904 think the strong speculations April. 1007 00:49:06,524 --> 00:49:10,584 So I do want to say they did also show off a Legion go to prototype 1008 00:49:11,179 --> 00:49:12,919 And that looks super promising. 1009 00:49:12,929 --> 00:49:17,119 Like, my, like, my thoughts are that I wish we had a 1010 00:49:17,119 --> 00:49:19,199 SteamOS version of that device. 1011 00:49:20,149 --> 00:49:21,175 What's it gonna take? 1012 00:49:21,519 --> 00:49:22,519 If they release the beta. 1013 00:49:22,899 --> 00:49:23,359 Exactly. 1014 00:49:23,749 --> 00:49:27,679 That's the thing, if I think I can get the beta onto the Go 2, 1015 00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:28,599 I probably would just do that. 1016 00:49:29,070 --> 00:49:30,579 Yeah, that's probably what I'm 1017 00:49:30,580 --> 00:49:30,689 gonna do. 1018 00:49:30,689 --> 00:49:31,519 That's where I'm at. 1019 00:49:31,529 --> 00:49:32,649 That's exactly where I'm at. 1020 00:49:32,789 --> 00:49:33,029 Yeah. 1021 00:49:34,074 --> 00:49:37,304 My viewers also echoed my sentiments as well. 1022 00:49:37,314 --> 00:49:40,924 They were like, Forget the Legion Go S, when are they going 1023 00:49:40,924 --> 00:49:42,464 to release the Legion Go 2? 1024 00:49:42,484 --> 00:49:47,174 Like, I mean, and unfortunately we don't have a date besides this year. 1025 00:49:47,424 --> 00:49:52,254 It could be like, November, kind of like when the original steam 1026 00:49:52,334 --> 00:49:56,354 Alright, so to clarify, the Legion Go S I mean, the Legion Go 2 is 1027 00:49:56,354 --> 00:49:57,954 supposed to come with a Z2 Extreme. 1028 00:49:58,924 --> 00:50:02,244 And it's also supposed to have an OLED VRR display. 1029 00:50:03,394 --> 00:50:06,364 And it maintains all the unique features of the Legion Go, like, you know, 1030 00:50:06,704 --> 00:50:12,164 detachable controllers, and also the kickstand, and also the mouse mode, too. 1031 00:50:12,644 --> 00:50:13,034 And it looks 1032 00:50:13,084 --> 00:50:13,424 better. 1033 00:50:14,334 --> 00:50:17,534 Now, the only crappy thing about it is, if you stick with the 1034 00:50:17,534 --> 00:50:21,724 Windows, is the software still there, or is it as good as Armory? 1035 00:50:21,734 --> 00:50:25,904 Because, uh, that was one of my biggest kickers from my review for the Legion 1036 00:50:25,914 --> 00:50:28,114 Go, was that software was not great. 1037 00:50:28,509 --> 00:50:32,849 They did revamp the software a few times and they also, they also showed off a 1038 00:50:32,849 --> 00:50:35,329 new version of that software at CES. 1039 00:50:35,959 --> 00:50:37,899 That's something we'll probably have to ask Russ about though. 1040 00:50:39,294 --> 00:50:40,614 Yeah, it certainly improved. 1041 00:50:40,614 --> 00:50:44,764 I don't know where it stands now in comparison to Armory Crate. 1042 00:50:44,844 --> 00:50:47,774 I don't, I don't know if they caught up all the way. 1043 00:50:47,994 --> 00:50:51,824 Um, but, but it is much better now than it was at launch. 1044 00:50:51,824 --> 00:50:53,254 At launch it was horrendous. 1045 00:50:53,504 --> 00:50:54,594 But you know, so was SteamOS. 1046 00:50:55,555 --> 00:50:56,474 Yeah, SteamOS 1047 00:50:56,474 --> 00:50:56,934 was, 1048 00:50:56,934 --> 00:50:58,744 yeah, that's something that people forget. 1049 00:50:59,489 --> 00:51:04,439 SteamOS was, I would not put that into comparison because it did have a lot 1050 00:51:04,439 --> 00:51:09,339 of hiccups, but I hit button, like I'd hit the menu button to try to bring 1051 00:51:09,339 --> 00:51:11,069 it up and Legion would not show up. 1052 00:51:11,379 --> 00:51:13,729 I'd have to press it multiple times, then kind of get it going. 1053 00:51:13,739 --> 00:51:18,529 It was, honestly, the lag and from a developer standpoint, I 1054 00:51:18,549 --> 00:51:19,599 don't know how they shipped that. 1055 00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:21,409 I don't know how they have that type of lag. 1056 00:51:21,919 --> 00:51:27,529 The lag on that is very interesting and tells me that they're, that they're 1057 00:51:27,539 --> 00:51:28,819 like, what they're writing that. 1058 00:51:29,269 --> 00:51:33,169 App in is very archaic or something very weird 1059 00:51:34,159 --> 00:51:38,919 It's okay, though You'll have the steam os beta out by then probably yeah, that's it. 1060 00:51:39,469 --> 00:51:39,769 Yep. 1061 00:51:40,149 --> 00:51:40,959 That's the solution 1062 00:51:41,709 --> 00:51:49,329 my thing about steam os on the the the new legion go is just like Linux 1063 00:51:49,619 --> 00:51:54,339 new hardware is gonna be a little flaky, you know, especially if, 1064 00:51:54,619 --> 00:51:58,489 like, the controller buttons aren't, like, mapped correctly, you know. 1065 00:51:58,889 --> 00:52:02,889 Um, it'll probably work, and it'll probably get fixed really 1066 00:52:02,889 --> 00:52:08,139 quickly after launch, especially if we have the, uh, SteamOS ISO. 1067 00:52:08,419 --> 00:52:11,399 Um, but, you know, I don't know. 1068 00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:13,399 Oh, sorry, go ahead. 1069 00:52:13,409 --> 00:52:13,799 No, go ahead. 1070 00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:14,349 I 1071 00:52:14,349 --> 00:52:16,429 was gonna ask, you mean for GoToGardener? 1072 00:52:16,430 --> 00:52:16,449 GoToGardener. 1073 00:52:17,669 --> 00:52:19,939 The button thing you're concerned about. 1074 00:52:19,939 --> 00:52:20,709 Go to mapping. 1075 00:52:20,939 --> 00:52:21,189 Yeah. 1076 00:52:21,189 --> 00:52:21,529 Yeah. 1077 00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:21,929 Yeah. 1078 00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:22,529 Yeah. 1079 00:52:22,689 --> 00:52:26,289 I think if they're already, you know, cause what they 1080 00:52:26,289 --> 00:52:28,239 do with controllers, right? 1081 00:52:28,539 --> 00:52:31,479 Aside from handhelds, what they do with controllers is they do two things. 1082 00:52:31,479 --> 00:52:35,259 Number one, they add the controller to kind of just 1083 00:52:35,259 --> 00:52:37,119 steam as an application, right? 1084 00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:41,779 So they add support for that, which includes, uh, the actual, like 1085 00:52:41,919 --> 00:52:43,429 sometimes even the image, right? 1086 00:52:43,429 --> 00:52:44,299 Like as much as the image. 1087 00:52:44,839 --> 00:52:48,469 Um, so you can map that, but then on the SteamOS side all the time, they're 1088 00:52:48,469 --> 00:52:50,309 adding new drivers for new controllers. 1089 00:52:50,779 --> 00:52:54,579 Uh, so, and, and if they're already partnering with Lenovo, I fully expect 1090 00:52:54,589 --> 00:52:58,919 them to, to go ahead and do the same thing with the Go 2 and I don't know 1091 00:52:58,919 --> 00:53:02,059 if you were about to say this Hitech, but you mentioned in another chat, uh, 1092 00:53:02,079 --> 00:53:06,689 that it looks like it's the same, like probably the same driver for the Go 2. 1093 00:53:07,609 --> 00:53:07,929 Yeah. 1094 00:53:07,929 --> 00:53:10,849 So it looks, it looks functionally identical. 1095 00:53:10,879 --> 00:53:12,279 I mean, the shapes changed. 1096 00:53:12,834 --> 00:53:15,574 Maybe, maybe some of the internals have changed, but it, I mean, 1097 00:53:15,924 --> 00:53:17,004 it looks functionally the same. 1098 00:53:17,224 --> 00:53:20,284 They also, also, one more pet peeve I had about the original Legion Go 1099 00:53:20,314 --> 00:53:23,604 was that the start and select buttons were like at the bottom left corner. 1100 00:53:23,684 --> 00:53:24,184 Remember that? 1101 00:53:24,884 --> 00:53:28,264 They changed it, and now it's in a more convenient position, like at 1102 00:53:28,264 --> 00:53:31,554 the top right corner of like one of the controls on the top left. 1103 00:53:31,614 --> 00:53:33,094 Like, it's in a natural position. 1104 00:53:33,584 --> 00:53:36,384 They also added some buttons where those old start and select buttons were. 1105 00:53:36,384 --> 00:53:38,114 I don't, I think those are Windows functions, I don't 1106 00:53:38,114 --> 00:53:39,054 know what those do, but. 1107 00:53:39,749 --> 00:53:40,899 They're irrelevant for now. 1108 00:53:41,379 --> 00:53:48,079 Um, also one more thing too is that, uh, they mentioned that, uh, No, 1109 00:53:48,079 --> 00:53:49,119 no, this is a different company. 1110 00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:57,949 GPD released the, uh, Win 4, uh, 2025 edition, and they mentioned that they will 1111 00:53:57,949 --> 00:54:00,759 be shipping a version with SteamOS in it. 1112 00:54:01,149 --> 00:54:04,039 Or some, supported by Valve or some bullcrap like that. 1113 00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:08,769 But then The Verge came out and said that, No, we're not working with GPD. 1114 00:54:09,874 --> 00:54:16,144 So like, I mean, beta release of SteamOS, so like there's that too, but like it's 1115 00:54:16,144 --> 00:54:19,394 kind of a weird thing to say that Valve is officially supporting your device. 1116 00:54:20,484 --> 00:54:25,895 Yeah, they said that they said that the Win 5 or Win 4 was going to support. 1117 00:54:27,264 --> 00:54:29,874 SteamOS, parenthetical, with the help of Valve. 1118 00:54:30,444 --> 00:54:32,754 And their website still says that. 1119 00:54:33,064 --> 00:54:37,544 Even though Lawrence Yang came out and said, We ain't doing that, uh, Like, 1120 00:54:37,554 --> 00:54:41,084 we're not working with GPD, Like, we don't have any connection with them. 1121 00:54:41,084 --> 00:54:41,624 Well, you know, with 1122 00:54:41,624 --> 00:54:46,254 the help of Valve, Because Valve has done so much, Open source wise, Ed. 1123 00:54:46,854 --> 00:54:50,167 Yeah, yeah, Valve provided an operating system For you to 1124 00:54:50,167 --> 00:54:51,974 install on your GPD Win, man. 1125 00:54:51,984 --> 00:54:52,854 They totally helped out. 1126 00:54:53,084 --> 00:54:53,184 Yeah. 1127 00:54:54,774 --> 00:55:00,084 Uh, but I mean, dude, I was like, I heard that news like before, uh, Liam reached 1128 00:55:00,084 --> 00:55:01,444 out to them and asked like, what the heck? 1129 00:55:01,444 --> 00:55:05,069 And before, uh, Lawrence was like, We're not doing that. 1130 00:55:05,259 --> 00:55:08,279 I heard it and I was like, oh man, this is, this is like really cool. 1131 00:55:08,289 --> 00:55:11,989 We're gonna have two SteamOS powered devices on the market like really 1132 00:55:11,989 --> 00:55:16,529 soon, but no, I was I'm glad I didn't jump on it immediately and make a 1133 00:55:16,529 --> 00:55:22,779 video cuz That was just It was wild like and the response they gave to 1134 00:55:22,779 --> 00:55:24,949 Liam was did you guys read that? 1135 00:55:25,289 --> 00:55:29,429 Like what like Liam reached out to gaming, uh to uh, gpd and he was 1136 00:55:29,429 --> 00:55:30,639 like what like, what do you what? 1137 00:55:30,639 --> 00:55:32,429 What are you like saying here like this? 1138 00:55:32,479 --> 00:55:36,689 That's obviously not true And they were like, well, let me tell you one thing 1139 00:55:36,739 --> 00:55:40,339 and they just didn't respond to any of his questions And they were like 1140 00:55:40,339 --> 00:55:44,319 this is this is going to happen and you know valve reached out to us via 1141 00:55:44,359 --> 00:55:49,434 email like several years ago So they're definitely gonna do it Like and I it 1142 00:55:49,434 --> 00:55:53,624 just didn't make any sense like so there's a whole bunch of sounds like they 1143 00:55:53,624 --> 00:55:55,234 lost their credit card to a phishing attack 1144 00:55:57,924 --> 00:56:02,254 Hey, we put our credit card down for the first beta of that ice. 1145 00:56:03,304 --> 00:56:03,714 Yeah. 1146 00:56:04,064 --> 00:56:04,354 Yeah 1147 00:56:06,534 --> 00:56:07,694 Yeah, but bad form 1148 00:56:07,695 --> 00:56:11,164 but I mean like like we said SteamOS beta coming out soon So they'll 1149 00:56:11,514 --> 00:56:12,784 have their own way of getting it 1150 00:56:13,574 --> 00:56:16,984 With the, with the Legion Go, the original one, from my understanding, 1151 00:56:17,004 --> 00:56:20,864 someone has gotten like, I can't remember if it was Bazite or like, uh, cause 1152 00:56:20,864 --> 00:56:24,344 there's been a couple of like Halo, um, Halo or Halo or something like that. 1153 00:56:24,724 --> 00:56:31,454 Uh, versions of SteamOS or SteamOS like operating systems that they 1154 00:56:31,464 --> 00:56:33,924 put on Legion Go and that the controllers worked fine with it. 1155 00:56:33,934 --> 00:56:34,684 So, yep. 1156 00:56:35,854 --> 00:56:38,364 I don't, officially those drivers already exist, right? 1157 00:56:38,374 --> 00:56:40,504 In Linux, in the Linux kernel, for sure. 1158 00:56:40,634 --> 00:56:40,824 Yep. 1159 00:56:41,759 --> 00:56:44,659 And apparently Lenovo has been quite helpful to the Bazight 1160 00:56:44,659 --> 00:56:45,849 team, uh, last I recall. 1161 00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,149 Yeah, I've heard good things about Lenovo from them. 1162 00:56:50,819 --> 00:56:53,049 And Bazight just shipped their, uh, NVIDIA. 1163 00:56:54,489 --> 00:56:57,279 Um, their new NVIDIA ISO. 1164 00:56:57,739 --> 00:56:58,400 That's right. 1165 00:56:59,764 --> 00:57:01,524 That's, that's very exciting. 1166 00:57:01,754 --> 00:57:06,364 Uh, they've been working on this for a few months behind the scenes, and they 1167 00:57:06,364 --> 00:57:10,674 released it the day I did my Linus Tech Tips video, where I said, there is no 1168 00:57:10,674 --> 00:57:13,464 support for NVIDIA cards in GameScope. 1169 00:57:13,994 --> 00:57:16,294 And, and, so And you were wrong. 1170 00:57:16,474 --> 00:57:18,274 I was wrong, yeah. 1171 00:57:18,494 --> 00:57:20,444 Kyle Gospinish trolled the hell out of me. 1172 00:57:20,444 --> 00:57:22,499 Dude, I have done that, I hate it so much. 1173 00:57:22,500 --> 00:57:25,939 Yeah, but no, this is really cool. 1174 00:57:25,939 --> 00:57:30,869 This is really exciting because, uh, I have a machine out here in my living room 1175 00:57:31,059 --> 00:57:34,779 with a 3060, I think in it and, or a 3070. 1176 00:57:34,799 --> 00:57:39,099 And it's got, uh, uh, like I have Baz light on there and it, you can't 1177 00:57:39,109 --> 00:57:40,429 launch into game scope with it. 1178 00:57:40,429 --> 00:57:41,599 You can't go into game mode. 1179 00:57:41,769 --> 00:57:46,069 It's you have, you have Katie E and you launch the game, uh, launch steam through. 1180 00:57:47,064 --> 00:57:51,844 Big picture mode or whatever, uh, which might not sound like a big deal, but you, 1181 00:57:51,914 --> 00:57:57,594 if you remove that desktop, like layer, you're getting like two or three extra FPS 1182 00:57:57,634 --> 00:57:59,714 and things are just a little bit smoother. 1183 00:57:59,984 --> 00:58:02,534 And, uh, the overlay, right? 1184 00:58:02,534 --> 00:58:07,754 Like the steam overlay, um, injects itself into the game's executable. 1185 00:58:07,994 --> 00:58:12,134 From desktop mode, but if you're in GameScope, it doesn't have to do that, 1186 00:58:12,294 --> 00:58:15,934 and you actually gain performance when you bring up the overlay, because it's 1187 00:58:15,934 --> 00:58:21,854 actually the, uh, GameScope windowing compositor that adds the, the, the quick 1188 00:58:21,854 --> 00:58:25,754 access menu and the, the other menus and stuff over the game, which is really neat. 1189 00:58:26,104 --> 00:58:29,334 Um, there's a ton of like just little things that are, are 1190 00:58:29,334 --> 00:58:30,874 quality of life improvements. 1191 00:58:30,875 --> 00:58:35,174 Um, if you have a game that's like, uh, exclusive full screen, right? 1192 00:58:35,754 --> 00:58:39,024 GameScope captures that and prevents the game from actually 1193 00:58:39,044 --> 00:58:40,264 taking over full screen. 1194 00:58:40,614 --> 00:58:43,424 It prevents your monitor from mode switching, right? 1195 00:58:43,674 --> 00:58:49,014 Which can introduce like, like, a second or two of like, a black 1196 00:58:49,014 --> 00:58:51,284 screen that you, where you can't actually like play the game. 1197 00:58:51,624 --> 00:58:52,984 It's, it's so neat. 1198 00:58:53,319 --> 00:58:56,539 I, I, I don't know if you can tell, but like, I, I'm geeking out about this stuff, 1199 00:58:56,749 --> 00:58:59,249 and it's available now through Bazight. 1200 00:58:59,689 --> 00:59:06,009 Uh, there are some gotchas, there's some caveats, uh, the, the, it's, because of 1201 00:59:06,269 --> 00:59:12,679 the NVIDIA drivers, the open source ones, uh, most, there are some known issues 1202 00:59:12,679 --> 00:59:16,449 here, and most of those known issues can't be addressed by the Bazight team. 1203 00:59:16,759 --> 00:59:19,579 Like, they have to just wait for NVIDIA to upgrade the drivers. 1204 00:59:20,069 --> 00:59:24,999 Um, Which kind of sucks, but it's understandable And they have a big old 1205 00:59:24,999 --> 00:59:28,229 disclaimer if you switch to this you want to download this iso It's going 1206 00:59:28,239 --> 00:59:32,299 to say that same thing, um, but it is really cool nonetheless, and uh, it's 1207 00:59:32,329 --> 00:59:38,559 good to see that And I think that it might also be An indication that valve 1208 00:59:38,559 --> 00:59:45,579 has been working on supporting nvidia on game scope because You know, that would 1209 00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:46,999 have that would kind of be a necessity 1210 00:59:47,709 --> 00:59:51,400 Oh, yeah Yeah, and we kind of know that to be true, right? 1211 00:59:51,430 --> 00:59:53,420 Like we've seen some of some of the commits. 1212 00:59:53,420 --> 00:59:56,110 We've seen some of the, um, Oh, shoot. 1213 00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:58,070 What, what is it? 1214 00:59:58,250 --> 00:59:59,410 The, the change logs. 1215 00:59:59,470 --> 00:59:59,750 Yeah. 1216 00:59:59,750 --> 01:00:00,330 The change logs. 1217 01:00:00,330 --> 01:00:03,930 I was, I was trying to think of the specific feature where, uh, they 1218 01:00:03,930 --> 01:00:06,800 implemented for Nvidia game scope. 1219 01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,900 That was like, I don't know, like six months ago, there was a specific feature. 1220 01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:10,780 Like the LSS. 1221 01:00:12,305 --> 01:00:13,935 No, it wasn't like an NVIDIA feature. 1222 01:00:13,935 --> 01:00:18,165 It was like a feature of GameScope that was not supported in NVIDIA that they 1223 01:00:18,165 --> 01:00:19,934 implemented about five, six months ago. 1224 01:00:19,934 --> 01:00:20,645 Oh yes. 1225 01:00:20,735 --> 01:00:21,155 Oh yeah. 1226 01:00:21,155 --> 01:00:22,074 I'm blanking on it too. 1227 01:00:22,175 --> 01:00:22,535 Yeah. 1228 01:00:23,014 --> 01:00:24,035 Um, but that's fine. 1229 01:00:24,035 --> 01:00:25,335 But yeah, they, they've been working on it. 1230 01:00:25,375 --> 01:00:28,984 Um, but I would, I'm curious to see, so have you tried it yet 1231 01:00:29,014 --> 01:00:30,855 on your 30, 70 machine garden? 1232 01:00:30,865 --> 01:00:31,345 Not yet. 1233 01:00:31,565 --> 01:00:34,645 I I'm going to, uh, probably today, actually. 1234 01:00:34,835 --> 01:00:35,265 Sweet. 1235 01:00:35,385 --> 01:00:35,845 Yeah. 1236 01:00:35,855 --> 01:00:37,315 I'm looking forward to that here and more. 1237 01:00:38,070 --> 01:00:38,880 Yeah, make a video. 1238 01:00:39,230 --> 01:00:39,870 I'm going to. 1239 01:00:42,340 --> 01:00:43,020 Please do. 1240 01:00:43,380 --> 01:00:43,760 Yeah. 1241 01:00:45,270 --> 01:00:47,770 Yeah, so, that's super interesting, man. 1242 01:00:47,770 --> 01:00:49,140 I, I love Bazite. 1243 01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:54,000 I am curious as to what's gonna happen to Bazite once SteamOS actually releases. 1244 01:00:54,369 --> 01:00:54,719 Hmm. 1245 01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:59,750 But, uh, I think, uh, I wonder if, how much of Bazite's work has actually 1246 01:00:59,750 --> 01:01:01,720 gotten back into the SteamOS itself. 1247 01:01:03,585 --> 01:01:04,825 I would guess non zero. 1248 01:01:04,835 --> 01:01:08,765 Like, it's gotta be, there's gotta be some things that are heading back 1249 01:01:08,835 --> 01:01:10,965 that way, um, from, from Bazight. 1250 01:01:11,325 --> 01:01:16,784 Even if it's like, small, um, controller drivers or XTG configurations or 1251 01:01:16,784 --> 01:01:19,565 something, it's, I would imagine some of that's going back upstream. 1252 01:01:20,555 --> 01:01:22,345 Upstream is not really the right word, but you know. 1253 01:01:22,475 --> 01:01:22,895 Might have to 1254 01:01:22,895 --> 01:01:23,605 ask Kyle. 1255 01:01:24,075 --> 01:01:24,495 Yeah. 1256 01:01:25,895 --> 01:01:29,604 So, how SteamOS is going to go, and it's what it sounds 1257 01:01:29,605 --> 01:01:31,154 like more and more, is that. 1258 01:01:31,605 --> 01:01:36,545 They're going to roll out to like AMD, you know, and very, and they 1259 01:01:36,545 --> 01:01:38,435 even had to correct like AMD handheld. 1260 01:01:38,445 --> 01:01:42,445 So they're going to be going very like careful on what 1261 01:01:42,795 --> 01:01:44,234 architectures that they support. 1262 01:01:44,234 --> 01:01:46,064 So that's going to be AMD probably. 1263 01:01:46,064 --> 01:01:47,775 And then eventually they'll support. 1264 01:01:47,805 --> 01:01:52,285 And the thing is, even when the beta comes out, it might work on, let's say on 1265 01:01:52,285 --> 01:01:57,934 an NVIDIA machine with an AMD CPU, let's just say, um, it might work fine if you 1266 01:01:57,935 --> 01:02:00,885 download the drivers in desktop mode, but. 1267 01:02:01,785 --> 01:02:06,305 Um, in the future, they'll probably slowly roll out support for NVIDIA 1268 01:02:06,305 --> 01:02:10,024 and it looks like they already kind of are trying to work on that, but 1269 01:02:10,135 --> 01:02:11,205 who knows how long that will take. 1270 01:02:11,205 --> 01:02:17,205 So Bazight will be a good option for a while if you have, if you want to be more 1271 01:02:17,205 --> 01:02:22,095 of a Linux gamer and switch over and you have an NVIDIA card, because yeah, you'll 1272 01:02:22,095 --> 01:02:23,385 just have a better experience with that. 1273 01:02:23,385 --> 01:02:25,765 If, if that's the type of experience, especially if it's handheld, but. 1274 01:02:26,750 --> 01:02:28,370 Does a handheld even have Nvidia stuff, 1275 01:02:28,410 --> 01:02:29,320 except for laptops? 1276 01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:32,410 Yeah, I feel like for like general desktop usage, I'd probably 1277 01:02:32,410 --> 01:02:34,070 use Bazight on my desktop. 1278 01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:36,359 Like, once I switch over to Linux, of course. 1279 01:02:36,750 --> 01:02:39,300 Like, I would use Bazight for my regular desktop usage. 1280 01:02:39,340 --> 01:02:42,429 Without GameScope, though, since I probably wouldn't be running 1281 01:02:42,429 --> 01:02:44,640 things in GameScope on my desktop. 1282 01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:48,400 I mean, surely there's a benefit to that, though, but like, I also 1283 01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:51,100 like the ability to like alt tab out of my stuff to do other things 1284 01:02:51,100 --> 01:02:52,140 with multiple monitors, you know? 1285 01:02:52,570 --> 01:02:53,580 Mm hmm. 1286 01:02:53,580 --> 01:02:53,799 Stuff like that. 1287 01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:59,195 But, of course For, like, the living room, it's probably going to be either 1288 01:02:59,195 --> 01:03:01,155 Bazight or SteamOS at this point. 1289 01:03:01,505 --> 01:03:01,995 Yeah. 1290 01:03:02,585 --> 01:03:04,694 I think, I think, uh, uh, 1291 01:03:07,545 --> 01:03:08,705 I just drew a blank. 1292 01:03:08,705 --> 01:03:09,735 I don't even know where I was going. 1293 01:03:09,805 --> 01:03:10,394 Never mind. 1294 01:03:11,615 --> 01:03:12,235 I just totally 1295 01:03:12,325 --> 01:03:12,665 blanked. 1296 01:03:12,714 --> 01:03:13,724 I think you're at high tech. 1297 01:03:13,724 --> 01:03:16,555 I think desktop wise, I think Bazight's a great option. 1298 01:03:17,075 --> 01:03:21,645 And then for handheld and, like, TV, because I want to do, like, uh, I want to, 1299 01:03:21,765 --> 01:03:26,895 or Fremont or whatever, you know, when we get, uh, the specific like a console like 1300 01:03:26,905 --> 01:03:31,055 experience, like free, um, Fremont could be good, but steamOS also like would be 1301 01:03:31,055 --> 01:03:35,935 a good place, but steamOS on a desktop right now doesn't necessarily make sense. 1302 01:03:36,545 --> 01:03:37,025 Right. 1303 01:03:37,025 --> 01:03:39,324 Yeah. 1304 01:03:39,325 --> 01:03:44,224 It's certainly like you said, set top box handheld, it makes the most sense. 1305 01:03:44,284 --> 01:03:48,075 Um, and if you, if you also want to install on desktop, sure. 1306 01:03:48,155 --> 01:03:51,625 But like, yeah, that's not, That's not at least what I'm excited about. 1307 01:03:51,635 --> 01:03:55,235 It's definitely, I do want to see a set top box and I want to see it with 1308 01:03:55,285 --> 01:03:59,025 in it, like a high end NVIDIA because I want to see, I want to be able 1309 01:03:59,025 --> 01:04:02,994 to replace my console with a steam box, whatever we want to call it. 1310 01:04:03,494 --> 01:04:04,504 I just want to be able to do that. 1311 01:04:04,935 --> 01:04:05,325 Um, 1312 01:04:05,485 --> 01:04:07,314 well, it will be an Xbox. 1313 01:04:07,315 --> 01:04:09,464 I 1314 01:04:09,465 --> 01:04:12,365 mean, there's no question it will definitely be an Xbox. 1315 01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:20,230 I, uh, I've seen, I'm with you guys, I think, like, it makes the most sense for 1316 01:04:20,340 --> 01:04:28,685 a, for a TV situation, but, I've seen a significant amount of people who say I'm 1317 01:04:28,685 --> 01:04:32,865 really excited about the SteamOS beta because I want to replace Windows on my 1318 01:04:32,865 --> 01:04:38,854 desktop, which that's, you know, I, I would say I've seen probably six or seven 1319 01:04:38,854 --> 01:04:42,894 comments on just on my last video where I was talking about the Legion OS, right? 1320 01:04:43,264 --> 01:04:46,925 And, and so, and I've seen it a bunch across a bunch of other ones where I was 1321 01:04:46,945 --> 01:04:48,555 talking about SteamOS public release. 1322 01:04:48,915 --> 01:04:52,135 So there is a, there are a bunch of people out there who 1323 01:04:52,135 --> 01:04:54,135 really want to do this because. 1324 01:04:54,350 --> 01:04:56,440 It's going to have valve support behind it. 1325 01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:58,570 Like put it on there, put it on their desktop. 1326 01:04:59,690 --> 01:05:03,820 And I'm curious what you guys think, what changes would valve need to make 1327 01:05:03,820 --> 01:05:08,610 to steamOS to support people using it in that way, or, or would convince 1328 01:05:08,619 --> 01:05:12,380 you to use it in that way as a, as a desktop operating system replacement. 1329 01:05:12,860 --> 01:05:16,860 So it wouldn't take much, but they would definitely, and it wouldn't even 1330 01:05:16,860 --> 01:05:20,619 take much to make it so that it would support desktops, desktops better. 1331 01:05:20,619 --> 01:05:22,500 They just need to make sure that it doesn't go into game scope. 1332 01:05:22,785 --> 01:05:25,845 Automatically it needs to go to desktop first. 1333 01:05:25,845 --> 01:05:28,615 And that's honestly just a simple flag, like flag somewhere. 1334 01:05:28,615 --> 01:05:31,765 I believe I've even messed with that enough to do it on my own. 1335 01:05:32,305 --> 01:05:34,495 Cause I've like, I have an app I developed. 1336 01:05:35,175 --> 01:05:38,225 In SteamOS on the deck and desktop mode. 1337 01:05:38,225 --> 01:05:41,555 So I've done a lot of desktop modes, the kind of thing and things. 1338 01:05:41,555 --> 01:05:45,465 And let's just say there's a lot of, uh, the Steam Deck 1339 01:05:45,745 --> 01:05:47,975 horrible desktop replacement. 1340 01:05:48,125 --> 01:05:53,395 I'm just going to say it at least for a power user, but, um, SteamOS itself. 1341 01:05:53,805 --> 01:05:54,945 Great at Linux experience. 1342 01:05:54,955 --> 01:05:56,165 And I think people aren't going to. 1343 01:05:56,825 --> 01:05:57,755 Be too sad about it. 1344 01:05:57,795 --> 01:05:59,305 I don't think they're gonna have to do too much. 1345 01:05:59,305 --> 01:06:04,514 Like, everything's there, like, being able to search for applications, being able 1346 01:06:04,515 --> 01:06:07,165 to use a store to download applications. 1347 01:06:07,565 --> 01:06:12,454 Um, if they're used to that in Microsoft or, uh, or Mac, like, they'll be fine. 1348 01:06:13,684 --> 01:06:14,945 I also agree, too. 1349 01:06:15,035 --> 01:06:19,645 I think Valve would need to have an option to You know, just have 1350 01:06:19,685 --> 01:06:21,735 us go directly into desktop mode. 1351 01:06:21,745 --> 01:06:25,365 Because, as it stands right now, with uh, no matter what operating system 1352 01:06:25,365 --> 01:06:29,335 you're on, with like SteamOS, it'll go straight into the game mode, and then 1353 01:06:29,335 --> 01:06:33,615 you have to press the power menu to go to desktop, and to have to do that 1354 01:06:33,684 --> 01:06:37,645 every single time is going to be nerve wracking, is going to be annoying. 1355 01:06:37,655 --> 01:06:39,895 Because you can't really get work done in game mode, right? 1356 01:06:39,925 --> 01:06:42,655 Because people aren't just talking about like, playing video games too, 1357 01:06:42,655 --> 01:06:46,215 they're talking about doing like, stuff on their gaming PC as well, right? 1358 01:06:47,300 --> 01:06:48,490 I don't have a lot of reason to go. 1359 01:06:48,510 --> 01:06:52,310 Like if I do install SteamOS on my desktop, like you were saying earlier, 1360 01:06:52,310 --> 01:06:56,700 do I really need to go to game mode or am I just in desktop mode the entire time? 1361 01:06:56,970 --> 01:06:58,200 I mean, don't get me wrong. 1362 01:06:58,200 --> 01:06:58,810 I agree with James. 1363 01:06:58,810 --> 01:07:02,099 It needs to be a better desktop experience than it is today. 1364 01:07:02,099 --> 01:07:06,430 You know, if I look at like Ubuntu or other like there, there are better. 1365 01:07:06,860 --> 01:07:09,460 Desktop solutions out there today, even just Linux. 1366 01:07:09,790 --> 01:07:12,920 Um, so somehow they'll have to combine all of that for, for a 1367 01:07:12,950 --> 01:07:14,490 really nice desktop experience. 1368 01:07:15,890 --> 01:07:17,260 I don't think that's their focus. 1369 01:07:17,290 --> 01:07:19,740 I don't know if they'll ever come out with a version like that. 1370 01:07:19,740 --> 01:07:23,360 I think it will be either a fork or a Bazite kind of thing. 1371 01:07:23,390 --> 01:07:24,240 I just don't know. 1372 01:07:24,250 --> 01:07:28,640 I don't see them wanting to do a desktop version until they start thinking 1373 01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:30,460 they want that in their personal life. 1374 01:07:30,490 --> 01:07:31,950 And that maybe we'll get that. 1375 01:07:32,390 --> 01:07:33,750 Cause that's sometimes how it goes. 1376 01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:35,610 They kind of want something especially 1377 01:07:35,620 --> 01:07:36,040 for them. 1378 01:07:37,110 --> 01:07:38,140 They're big on the dog 1379 01:07:38,380 --> 01:07:38,840 thing, right? 1380 01:07:39,010 --> 01:07:42,465 Valve Big proponent of that, which is fine, which is fine. 1381 01:07:42,525 --> 01:07:44,695 Like, um, we'll have other options. 1382 01:07:44,715 --> 01:07:49,055 And, uh, the biggest thing is that they're supporting what they do support 1383 01:07:49,055 --> 01:07:52,985 proton and a couple other items like their, and their steam client work 1384 01:07:53,054 --> 01:07:54,644 great on other operating systems too. 1385 01:07:54,644 --> 01:07:59,615 So, um, to a point that is, so we're still going to be getting a lot of the benefit. 1386 01:07:59,825 --> 01:08:00,165 Right. 1387 01:08:00,165 --> 01:08:01,705 So as long as they're focusing on. 1388 01:08:02,945 --> 01:08:07,115 I'd rather them focus on NVIDIA and getting like a full experience for 1389 01:08:07,115 --> 01:08:09,285 everyone than the desktop itself. 1390 01:08:09,405 --> 01:08:13,775 But, once again, all they have to do is flip that switch of allowing the person 1391 01:08:13,995 --> 01:08:18,075 installing it to choose if they want to boot into desktop or into a game. 1392 01:08:18,075 --> 01:08:18,805 So, that's it. 1393 01:08:18,884 --> 01:08:19,175 That's it. 1394 01:08:19,214 --> 01:08:20,694 That's all they'd really have to do starting out. 1395 01:08:21,165 --> 01:08:25,755 And in SteamOS 1 and 2, they had that option at one point. 1396 01:08:25,785 --> 01:08:27,735 Like, you could choose which one you booted into. 1397 01:08:28,675 --> 01:08:32,015 And so I think right now they're focusing on game mode, but it really 1398 01:08:32,015 --> 01:08:33,505 would be trivial for them to add that. 1399 01:08:33,505 --> 01:08:34,165 I think so. 1400 01:08:34,165 --> 01:08:38,325 Um, I mean, and if you think about like the way, uh, compositors work and the 1401 01:08:38,335 --> 01:08:40,875 way stuff works, it is really easy. 1402 01:08:40,905 --> 01:08:46,765 They like every major, uh, like greeting, like login when, uh, system, 1403 01:08:46,805 --> 01:08:49,985 it doesn't matter if it's Katie or, you know, or whatever, they all let 1404 01:08:49,985 --> 01:08:51,535 you change that before you log in. 1405 01:08:51,555 --> 01:08:54,015 So it's really, it's really simple. 1406 01:08:54,615 --> 01:08:57,870 Um, But with that, let's move on to the next story. 1407 01:08:57,910 --> 01:09:00,120 Uh, this is interesting. 1408 01:09:00,210 --> 01:09:05,859 Uh, Tencent, uh, is designated as a Chinese military company 1409 01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:07,750 by the Department of Defense. 1410 01:09:08,679 --> 01:09:10,660 What, what is this about, Hitech? 1411 01:09:12,449 --> 01:09:15,340 It's exactly as he said, they've been designated as a Chinese 1412 01:09:15,340 --> 01:09:17,350 military company by the U. 1413 01:09:17,350 --> 01:09:17,450 S. 1414 01:09:17,450 --> 01:09:17,880 government. 1415 01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:22,860 And this doesn't have any consequences as of yet. 1416 01:09:23,575 --> 01:09:28,595 So, we haven't, they haven't seen any sanctions, but, you know, because Tencent 1417 01:09:28,595 --> 01:09:32,755 is more than a gaming company, they have their hands in a lot of different pies. 1418 01:09:33,185 --> 01:09:35,354 But, of course, the one most relevant to us is gaming. 1419 01:09:35,794 --> 01:09:40,284 And, uh, for those who don't know, they fully own Riot Games, who 1420 01:09:40,345 --> 01:09:44,855 owns League of Legends, Valorant, Arcane, um, uh, whatever else they 1421 01:09:44,855 --> 01:09:46,455 may come up with in the future. 1422 01:09:46,965 --> 01:09:51,065 And they also fully own Grinding Gear Games, and guess what games they make? 1423 01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:54,060 Path of Exile 1 and 2. 1424 01:09:56,180 --> 01:10:01,420 And then they also own majority ownership of companies like Visual 1425 01:10:01,440 --> 01:10:06,069 Arts, who makes, uh, like Clannad and the other visual novels by Key. 1426 01:10:06,510 --> 01:10:13,310 They also own majority in Turtle Rock Studios, who, you know, develop Left 1427 01:10:13,750 --> 01:10:16,620 4 Dead, Evolve, and Back 4 Blood. 1428 01:10:17,220 --> 01:10:20,280 And Clay Entertainment, who develops Don't Starve. 1429 01:10:21,125 --> 01:10:24,495 And Supercell, who develops Clash of Clans and whatever else 1430 01:10:24,515 --> 01:10:26,295 they, uh, is in that universe. 1431 01:10:26,295 --> 01:10:27,245 I know they have a couple. 1432 01:10:27,915 --> 01:10:30,995 And they also own a decent amount of shares in companies like ShiftUp that 1433 01:10:30,995 --> 01:10:33,135 make, uh, Stellar Blade and Nikkei? 1434 01:10:34,695 --> 01:10:36,085 How am I supposed to pronounce that? 1435 01:10:36,134 --> 01:10:36,534 I don't know. 1436 01:10:36,934 --> 01:10:41,295 And, of course, Epic Games, best known for Fortnite and the Unreal Engine. 1437 01:10:42,085 --> 01:10:44,445 Let's see, Bloober Team, who did Silent Hill 2 Remake. 1438 01:10:44,895 --> 01:10:47,755 They also directly own some shares in FromSoftware. 1439 01:10:48,755 --> 01:10:50,035 And, uh, Remedy? 1440 01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:53,820 Krafton, who did PUBG and the Callisto Protocol. 1441 01:10:54,350 --> 01:10:54,720 Yeah. 1442 01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:58,800 And Kadokawa, and How many times have we talked about Kadokawa on this show? 1443 01:10:58,830 --> 01:11:00,470 Like, too many times at this point, right? 1444 01:11:02,159 --> 01:11:02,880 Yeah, too many times. 1445 01:11:05,260 --> 01:11:11,360 And they also have some shares in Discord, Roblox Corporation, Platinum Games, 1446 01:11:11,470 --> 01:11:14,170 Playtonic Games, and Bohemia Interactive. 1447 01:11:14,330 --> 01:11:17,210 And there's a bunch of other companies I didn't recognize 1448 01:11:17,210 --> 01:11:21,204 in the Wikipedia list, but Hmm, 1449 01:11:21,205 --> 01:11:24,435 so it's fair to say if you have Epic Games Launcher installed on your 1450 01:11:24,455 --> 01:11:29,135 machine, then you have, uh, foreign military software on your computer? 1451 01:11:30,104 --> 01:11:30,184 Uh 1452 01:11:30,215 --> 01:11:30,635 oh. 1453 01:11:31,675 --> 01:11:35,604 Um I like giving Epic as much shit as possible. 1454 01:11:36,744 --> 01:11:37,834 It couldn't be worse than North 1455 01:11:37,834 --> 01:11:38,685 Korean Linux. 1456 01:11:39,475 --> 01:11:44,740 So They don't own a majority share of Epic, I believe, so No, it's 1457 01:11:44,740 --> 01:11:45,750 40%, I think. 1458 01:11:45,750 --> 01:11:50,080 So Epic is still controlled by, um, the founder. 1459 01:11:50,830 --> 01:11:51,470 Yeah, Tim 1460 01:11:51,470 --> 01:11:51,850 Sweeney. 1461 01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:55,800 So, yeah, that gives him a lot of sway. 1462 01:11:55,829 --> 01:11:57,220 Like, he wants it to be like that. 1463 01:11:57,240 --> 01:12:01,179 It gives him a lot of sway to not have to do certain things. 1464 01:12:01,729 --> 01:12:02,259 Um 1465 01:12:02,615 --> 01:12:07,305 Which is the saving grace, unlike legal legends, which is now classified as 1466 01:12:07,785 --> 01:12:10,755 spyware on our app on windows now, right? 1467 01:12:10,985 --> 01:12:12,335 With this new thing, I don't know. 1468 01:12:12,924 --> 01:12:15,965 All I know is that I'm old. 1469 01:12:17,754 --> 01:12:22,354 If the company, if the company that buys you out, owns military ads, or 1470 01:12:22,364 --> 01:12:25,835 does like does military contracts and stuff like that for foreign governments 1471 01:12:25,835 --> 01:12:29,575 and stuff like, ah, I don't know. 1472 01:12:29,575 --> 01:12:31,915 I have a hard time being empathetic. 1473 01:12:32,530 --> 01:12:36,360 But at the same time, I'm just like, I mean, you got bought up by China and 1474 01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:37,610 they tend to do this type of thing. 1475 01:12:37,610 --> 01:12:42,540 Like Chinese company that is, um, I, what will this mean for them though? 1476 01:12:42,550 --> 01:12:43,729 Like, does this mean anything 1477 01:12:43,810 --> 01:12:45,290 really serious for them? 1478 01:12:46,700 --> 01:12:47,169 I don't know. 1479 01:12:47,170 --> 01:12:52,010 I mean, I mean, I do, my company does, uh, does work with a company 1480 01:12:52,010 --> 01:12:54,290 that has a military contracts. 1481 01:12:54,420 --> 01:12:58,280 I think not military government and maybe potentially military as well. 1482 01:12:58,300 --> 01:13:00,920 But, uh, we also just do printers and stuff too. 1483 01:13:01,010 --> 01:13:01,789 I think we've talked about this. 1484 01:13:04,290 --> 01:13:08,430 But yeah, it's an interesting time, uh, because what's gonna 1485 01:13:08,430 --> 01:13:10,640 happen if, you know, the U. 1486 01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:10,800 S. 1487 01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:11,524 sanctions take effect? 1488 01:13:11,525 --> 01:13:12,274 0. 1489 01:13:12,275 --> 01:13:14,925 10 is like League of Legends is going to be 1490 01:13:15,515 --> 01:13:18,815 but but where does even the the sanctions thing come from, right? 1491 01:13:18,825 --> 01:13:22,735 Like have they done that with other Chinese military companies for the US? 1492 01:13:22,755 --> 01:13:24,175 I know that there are other things, right? 1493 01:13:24,175 --> 01:13:27,744 Like there's the TikTok thing and then there was the TP link. 1494 01:13:27,930 --> 01:13:32,430 Thing right where, uh, and even the TP think TP link 1495 01:13:32,430 --> 01:13:34,030 thing seems to be in progress. 1496 01:13:34,030 --> 01:13:37,319 Like they don't, I don't think we've gotten word on whether or not they're 1497 01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:38,810 going to do anything about TP link. 1498 01:13:38,810 --> 01:13:43,380 So TP link is the router modem company that sells a ton of 1499 01:13:43,390 --> 01:13:45,580 modems and meshes in the U. 1500 01:13:45,580 --> 01:13:45,690 S. 1501 01:13:46,115 --> 01:13:51,385 Um, but the Department of Justice has threatened, I think, to ban the sale 1502 01:13:51,405 --> 01:13:55,735 of TP Link, but I don't think anything actually came of that, but, but this just, 1503 01:13:55,755 --> 01:13:57,154 this doesn't even sound like that, right? 1504 01:13:57,165 --> 01:14:00,675 This just is just, like, have they done, has the U. 1505 01:14:00,675 --> 01:14:00,795 S. 1506 01:14:00,795 --> 01:14:05,184 government done sanctions on any other companies that have been designated 1507 01:14:05,184 --> 01:14:06,564 as Chinese military companies? 1508 01:14:06,565 --> 01:14:10,045 By the Department of Defense, too, like, this isn't like the 1509 01:14:10,095 --> 01:14:11,375 trade commissions or anything. 1510 01:14:11,385 --> 01:14:16,000 Yeah, that's This is this is just the military kind of I would imagine what 1511 01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:20,950 this means is like the department of defense Internally is just not 1512 01:14:20,950 --> 01:14:22,720 going to allow this kind of software. 1513 01:14:22,810 --> 01:14:24,220 Uh, but I don't know for sure 1514 01:14:24,329 --> 01:14:28,069 Yeah, don't don't install league of legends on your on your 1515 01:14:28,110 --> 01:14:29,649 government contracting laptop. 1516 01:14:29,649 --> 01:14:33,220 Don't do that So or any tencent mobile games like you can't have 1517 01:14:33,220 --> 01:14:34,460 them on your phone like that or 1518 01:14:34,460 --> 01:14:35,640 fortnight 1519 01:14:36,610 --> 01:14:37,050 Yeah, no. 1520 01:14:37,170 --> 01:14:38,120 Yeah, no fortnight 1521 01:14:39,005 --> 01:14:41,725 Does this mean you can't install any games that use Unreal 1522 01:14:41,725 --> 01:14:42,955 on your, on your I mean, you 1523 01:14:42,955 --> 01:14:47,025 shouldn't be, if you are working for the government, you shouldn't be installing 1524 01:14:47,025 --> 01:14:49,625 any, any games on, on those machines. 1525 01:14:49,625 --> 01:14:50,486 Yeah, like that's, 1526 01:14:50,486 --> 01:14:52,124 like, that's a little ridiculous. 1527 01:14:52,534 --> 01:14:53,954 Like, get your own computer. 1528 01:14:54,274 --> 01:14:58,745 Yeah, even with the decent amount of shares thing, that's a, a gray area. 1529 01:14:59,085 --> 01:15:01,885 What this ultimately, I think, is gonna be is either two things. 1530 01:15:01,885 --> 01:15:07,095 Like, either it's gonna be a big deal for whatever the agenda's 1531 01:15:07,115 --> 01:15:08,564 gonna be for the next little while. 1532 01:15:09,545 --> 01:15:12,035 Not getting into politics too much because you never know. 1533 01:15:12,035 --> 01:15:15,345 Like Tik Tok, Tik Tok's on the verge of being banned completely. 1534 01:15:15,715 --> 01:15:18,054 Um, in fact, I think they are going 1535 01:15:18,054 --> 01:15:20,774 to be banned on the 19th, unless I don't know, they sell to 1536 01:15:20,775 --> 01:15:22,085 Microsoft or something like that. 1537 01:15:22,125 --> 01:15:22,435 I don't know. 1538 01:15:22,495 --> 01:15:22,855 Yeah. 1539 01:15:24,094 --> 01:15:24,374 Yep. 1540 01:15:24,815 --> 01:15:27,424 And so this means that. 1541 01:15:28,035 --> 01:15:31,605 With that happening and let's say they could do it the who knows who 1542 01:15:31,605 --> 01:15:35,495 knows they could attack it It could be something I I would be a little worried. 1543 01:15:35,495 --> 01:15:38,285 Let's say if I was right games personally I know and I know that 1544 01:15:38,285 --> 01:15:44,005 they're not happy about this But I also think that the right games location 1545 01:15:44,005 --> 01:15:46,515 is based in United States, right? 1546 01:15:46,515 --> 01:15:54,064 So Yeah Yeah, it's already kind of like so like it's different than 1547 01:15:54,064 --> 01:15:57,750 the tick tock thing It's already been, uh, segmented a little bit. 1548 01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:05,069 So, I know, other, it will be, it will be interesting. 1549 01:16:05,070 --> 01:16:09,130 Let's just, let's just say, like, it's a, it's a weird thing to say that League 1550 01:16:09,130 --> 01:16:13,280 of Legends is a Chinese military company. 1551 01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:16,820 You know, it's not, but it's, you know, it's just interesting. 1552 01:16:16,820 --> 01:16:18,880 It's an interesting topic that will probably not go anywhere, 1553 01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:20,260 but you never know these days. 1554 01:16:20,620 --> 01:16:26,080 Yeah, I wouldn't say that, like, League of Legends is a, like, I wouldn't just 1555 01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:29,870 blanket say that it's part of the Chinese military, but I would say like based 1556 01:16:29,870 --> 01:16:34,520 on this, it seems like our military considers it potentially hostile, right? 1557 01:16:34,579 --> 01:16:38,680 Like that's what this news story says to me. 1558 01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:42,289 Like it's a potential avenue of attack, right? 1559 01:16:42,289 --> 01:16:47,890 Like if even though it's owned by an American company, like if that 1560 01:16:47,890 --> 01:16:52,054 American company is primarily owned or wholly owned by Tencent, right? 1561 01:16:52,415 --> 01:16:55,745 Then it, it could be a vulnerability at some point. 1562 01:16:56,315 --> 01:16:56,495 Yeah. 1563 01:16:56,495 --> 01:16:57,965 Entirely owned by Tencent too. 1564 01:16:57,965 --> 01:16:59,525 Yeah, they own a hundred percent of it. 1565 01:16:59,705 --> 01:16:59,945 Yeah. 1566 01:17:00,365 --> 01:17:04,295 And they also run a, uh, they also run an anti sheet that they recently 1567 01:17:04,295 --> 01:17:07,175 implemented into League of Legends, but it's been a part of Valant for 1568 01:17:07,175 --> 01:17:08,465 like, the entirety of the game. 1569 01:17:09,335 --> 01:17:11,765 Oh, I believe it's, uh, I, yes. 1570 01:17:11,825 --> 01:17:13,745 Uh, so I think, was it called Vanguard? 1571 01:17:13,775 --> 01:17:14,795 I think Vanguard, yeah. 1572 01:17:15,340 --> 01:17:15,420 Vanguard. 1573 01:17:15,420 --> 01:17:17,585 Which, I mean, a kernel level anti sheet 1574 01:17:17,735 --> 01:17:19,745 Vanguard is brutal. 1575 01:17:19,745 --> 01:17:20,285 And it, yeah. 1576 01:17:20,590 --> 01:17:21,990 Fucking sucks. 1577 01:17:23,780 --> 01:17:25,870 And we don't take it lightly when James swears. 1578 01:17:26,260 --> 01:17:32,300 No, I have, like, You cannot launch video editing software with that thing. 1579 01:17:32,380 --> 01:17:34,810 It will fucking scream at you. 1580 01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:37,129 So, if I can't, like, Come on. 1581 01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:37,749 I'm sorry. 1582 01:17:37,790 --> 01:17:41,110 This is one where I'm like, I wanted to try Valorant, and it was such a mess. 1583 01:17:41,815 --> 01:17:44,535 And I've never really had that in a long while that I'm just like 1584 01:17:44,555 --> 01:17:47,845 okay You guys can just really screw off like I really pisses me off 1585 01:17:48,225 --> 01:17:53,345 Yeah, the the thing about anti cheat like that that is essentially a rootkit 1586 01:17:54,455 --> 01:18:00,095 You know, like it is literally like digging into the kernel of your operating 1587 01:18:00,095 --> 01:18:05,284 system and it has access to the memory of every program on your machine, right? 1588 01:18:05,284 --> 01:18:09,614 Like it can get in there and get whatever it wants and you have no control over it. 1589 01:18:09,614 --> 01:18:12,905 And like you said, you can't even launch like legitimate other software. 1590 01:18:13,175 --> 01:18:13,875 So it's like. 1591 01:18:14,450 --> 01:18:20,050 Uh, that's fully owned by a, by a potentially hostile foreign 1592 01:18:20,050 --> 01:18:22,660 military, and that is terrifying. 1593 01:18:23,079 --> 01:18:23,760 That is very bad. 1594 01:18:23,770 --> 01:18:24,670 Yeah. 1595 01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:31,059 So, on a semi related note, uh, Genshin Impact recently suffered a, like, 1596 01:18:31,630 --> 01:18:36,240 hack via vulnerability through their anti, like, kernel level anti cheat. 1597 01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:37,750 And, 1598 01:18:37,750 --> 01:18:40,440 uh, that is a concern. 1599 01:18:40,440 --> 01:18:42,880 People like to, people like to claim that it's not an issue 1600 01:18:42,910 --> 01:18:44,260 because it's never happened before. 1601 01:18:44,590 --> 01:18:45,650 But it has happened. 1602 01:18:46,100 --> 01:18:46,420 Yeah. 1603 01:18:47,109 --> 01:18:47,479 Yeah. 1604 01:18:47,590 --> 01:18:50,590 Are they gonna, is that their guise for when China wants 1605 01:18:50,590 --> 01:18:51,930 to sneak in some information? 1606 01:18:51,939 --> 01:18:53,710 Like, that's, that's a little about my worry. 1607 01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:57,510 Like, when is this stuff gonna be compromised? 1608 01:18:57,860 --> 01:19:01,110 I'm not really the biggest like privacy person, but at the same 1609 01:19:01,110 --> 01:19:06,150 time, like I'd play League of Legends now on like a, a box. 1610 01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:08,810 I wouldn't do it in the same, like, especially with that type 1611 01:19:08,810 --> 01:19:11,700 of anti cheat, I would not do it in the same, on the same computer. 1612 01:19:11,700 --> 01:19:15,599 I'd have, uh, passwords and a bunch of other stuff on, and I'm not even 1613 01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:19,010 that big of a privacy person, but 1614 01:19:19,170 --> 01:19:20,610 yeah, definitely with that type of stuff. 1615 01:19:20,610 --> 01:19:20,930 I am. 1616 01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:24,620 What this means is you can't play League of Legends on Linux anymore. 1617 01:19:24,620 --> 01:19:27,420 And for the longest time you were able to surprisingly. 1618 01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:32,840 Well, I mean, thankfully, we can't install those kind of root kits on 1619 01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:33,990 Linux, you know what I'm saying? 1620 01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:38,020 Like, at least from my perspective, I think that it's, you know, I 1621 01:19:38,020 --> 01:19:39,320 don't even want to have that option. 1622 01:19:39,740 --> 01:19:41,290 Like, it's just terrifying to me. 1623 01:19:41,310 --> 01:19:41,989 They can 1624 01:19:41,989 --> 01:19:44,649 make their own operating system, uh, Linux operating system, right? 1625 01:19:44,649 --> 01:19:45,679 Like, their own flavor. 1626 01:19:46,049 --> 01:19:47,040 Yeah, I mean, North Korea 1627 01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:47,090 did it. 1628 01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:48,800 North Korea did it. 1629 01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:52,370 And you can probably install, you can install that on your Steam Deck, probably. 1630 01:19:52,730 --> 01:19:53,010 Yeah. 1631 01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:54,250 Oh, that would be interesting. 1632 01:19:54,250 --> 01:19:57,650 Uh, I don't know. 1633 01:19:58,080 --> 01:19:59,340 We're all fans of hardware. 1634 01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:04,480 You know, SteamOS and hardware, you know, handheld games. 1635 01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:11,110 And Switch 2 fans are actually going a little nuts about the possibility of an 1636 01:20:11,149 --> 01:20:14,020 optical sensor on the Switch 2 Joy Con. 1637 01:20:14,500 --> 01:20:16,850 Uh, Rich, I know you have to go in a few minutes. 1638 01:20:16,940 --> 01:20:18,200 Give me your thoughts on this. 1639 01:20:19,030 --> 01:20:20,070 I am excited too. 1640 01:20:20,090 --> 01:20:23,780 I like the, it was one of my favorite features of the Lenovo 1641 01:20:23,780 --> 01:20:28,329 Legion Go was that, you know, mouse, um, detachable mouse basically. 1642 01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:32,090 Um, and I love playing shooters on my handheld. 1643 01:20:32,460 --> 01:20:35,730 Um, but I'm not, you know, I don't like the traditional 1644 01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:37,660 console controls for shooters. 1645 01:20:37,660 --> 01:20:39,800 I like flick stick and I like mouse and keyboard. 1646 01:20:40,190 --> 01:20:43,390 So this gave me a chance to do, to do, to have the mouse control. 1647 01:20:43,559 --> 01:20:44,420 So I'm excited for this. 1648 01:20:44,460 --> 01:20:49,400 I also am excited for this, obviously from what I think is their perspective, right? 1649 01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:50,899 Like DS emulation. 1650 01:20:50,900 --> 01:20:51,770 So like DS. 1651 01:20:52,565 --> 01:20:56,315 Uh, 3ds, how does that, you know, translate over here? 1652 01:20:56,635 --> 01:21:03,145 Um, what I thought we were going to see with the switch to, um, which I 1653 01:21:03,155 --> 01:21:06,485 don't think anymore, but just based on the leaks that we've seen is I thought 1654 01:21:06,485 --> 01:21:10,454 what they were going to sort of like officially do, there's a, there's 1655 01:21:10,454 --> 01:21:12,215 an accessory for the switch one. 1656 01:21:12,485 --> 01:21:15,565 I think it's called flip up or something like that, where you 1657 01:21:15,845 --> 01:21:18,005 rotate the switch to be vertical. 1658 01:21:18,395 --> 01:21:20,265 So, and then, and then you like in Tate 1659 01:21:20,265 --> 01:21:20,505 mode. 1660 01:21:20,725 --> 01:21:21,385 Yeah, exactly. 1661 01:21:21,395 --> 01:21:22,185 Like in Tate mode. 1662 01:21:22,195 --> 01:21:24,655 And then you, you can attach the Joy Cons like that. 1663 01:21:24,965 --> 01:21:30,705 So I thought that was going to be a way to also do like DS 3DS emulation 1664 01:21:30,765 --> 01:21:32,314 so that you can have like dual screens. 1665 01:21:32,835 --> 01:21:37,775 Um, so I guess they're not doing that, but, but this otherwise just looks, I like 1666 01:21:37,775 --> 01:21:39,555 the idea of being able to use a mouse. 1667 01:21:40,235 --> 01:21:41,855 So real quick before you go. 1668 01:21:42,035 --> 01:21:42,315 Yeah, 1669 01:21:42,515 --> 01:21:44,935 do you think it's going to be called the switch to you though? 1670 01:21:45,025 --> 01:21:45,505 Because I 1671 01:21:45,505 --> 01:21:47,655 personally yes, they have to do it. 1672 01:21:47,685 --> 01:21:53,475 I know like I know we joke a lot about the super switch And that's the best. 1673 01:21:53,484 --> 01:21:58,635 That's the second best possible name But they have to they have 1674 01:21:58,635 --> 01:22:00,925 to go with like continuity. 1675 01:22:00,925 --> 01:22:05,865 It's all about continuity I think for for the success of the switch 1676 01:22:06,135 --> 01:22:12,060 you can't have anything that feels like In a slight upgrade or like, 1677 01:22:12,390 --> 01:22:17,540 uh, uh, like slight tangent, it has to be, this is the next switch. 1678 01:22:17,610 --> 01:22:19,600 You were a success with the switch. 1679 01:22:19,799 --> 01:22:22,020 You have to do it again now with switch two. 1680 01:22:22,030 --> 01:22:22,360 Right. 1681 01:22:22,580 --> 01:22:25,660 And that goes, and there was the question of whether or not that 1682 01:22:25,660 --> 01:22:28,130 question is no longer existing, but like whether or not it would be 1683 01:22:28,130 --> 01:22:29,860 backwards compatible, that too, right? 1684 01:22:29,860 --> 01:22:31,910 Like they have to be backwards compatible. 1685 01:22:32,220 --> 01:22:34,150 Otherwise, what, what is even the point. 1686 01:22:34,670 --> 01:22:35,260 Right. 1687 01:22:35,770 --> 01:22:39,340 I mean, that would be a good point to say why they would use superswitches 1688 01:22:39,340 --> 01:22:43,770 to indicate, oh, well, it is backwards compatible, it's just the better switch. 1689 01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:45,480 But I think you're right, too. 1690 01:22:45,480 --> 01:22:50,900 I don't know if that would sell as many, uh, units as just, uh, What feels 1691 01:22:50,900 --> 01:22:56,400 like a complete new iteration on the hardware, which I've seen the leaks and 1692 01:22:56,410 --> 01:22:57,720 everything I'm sure you guys have too. 1693 01:22:58,060 --> 01:23:01,030 It does not look like it a real iteration on the hardware 1694 01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:05,060 I am very underwhelmed on it. 1695 01:23:05,139 --> 01:23:09,170 I'll be honest So part of the reason why I don't believe it's gonna be called 1696 01:23:09,170 --> 01:23:10,900 the switch to it's a two factor thing. 1697 01:23:10,910 --> 01:23:14,931 So first and foremost Nintendo's just never called anything v2 like we've 1698 01:23:14,931 --> 01:23:16,763 never seen an NES to SNES to Nintendo's just never called anything v2 like 1699 01:23:16,763 --> 01:23:22,500 we've never seen an NES to SNES to N64 2, Gamecube 2, probably the closest 1700 01:23:22,500 --> 01:23:26,280 thing is the 2DS, but that's not even like, you get what I'm saying, right? 1701 01:23:26,539 --> 01:23:26,849 Yep. 1702 01:23:27,510 --> 01:23:32,289 Yeah, so another, another thing is that like, I remember Microsoft talking about 1703 01:23:32,289 --> 01:23:36,189 this, like, like Microsoft was talking about why they didn't want to call 1704 01:23:36,189 --> 01:23:41,179 their, yeah, they didn't want to call their Xbox, the next Xbox, the Xbox 2. 1705 01:23:41,180 --> 01:23:41,420 Yeah. 1706 01:23:41,430 --> 01:23:44,740 Because the PlayStation 3 was already there, and like, most consumers 1707 01:23:44,740 --> 01:23:46,860 will see the PS3 versus the Xbox. 1708 01:23:47,119 --> 01:23:48,490 Oh, It's a three. 1709 01:23:48,490 --> 01:23:49,250 That means it's better. 1710 01:23:49,260 --> 01:23:52,880 Like, it's the dumbest thing, but it's also something consumers actually do. 1711 01:23:53,330 --> 01:23:56,200 Well, that's why they're gonna call it the Switch U. 1712 01:23:56,810 --> 01:24:02,499 Oh my god, if they do that, then they deserve everything that's coming to them. 1713 01:24:02,500 --> 01:24:08,545 So, um, Xbox would have definitely named it Xbox 2 if the original Xbox 1714 01:24:08,565 --> 01:24:12,985 sold a hundred plus million units like there's There's no doubt in my mind. 1715 01:24:13,125 --> 01:24:16,635 Well, then again, it's Microsoft and Microsoft you you guys Gardner and 1716 01:24:16,635 --> 01:24:17,925 James You guys are both developers. 1717 01:24:17,935 --> 01:24:21,085 So you guys know Microsoft is the worst at naming anything. 1718 01:24:21,085 --> 01:24:23,864 They are so bad. 1719 01:24:23,865 --> 01:24:26,974 The Linux subsystem for Windows versus the Windows subsystem for Linux. 1720 01:24:26,995 --> 01:24:28,355 Oh my god, yeah. 1721 01:24:28,615 --> 01:24:31,544 Um, so, okay, so there is a doubt in my mind that they 1722 01:24:31,544 --> 01:24:32,674 would have named it logically. 1723 01:24:32,674 --> 01:24:35,594 But, you know, and then to your point about Nintendo. 1724 01:24:35,594 --> 01:24:39,824 I think you make a good point, except I think, um, about Nintendo. 1725 01:24:40,030 --> 01:24:44,830 Uh, never naming anything to, I am all about like leadership, like who is the 1726 01:24:44,830 --> 01:24:49,060 leader at an organization or what is, what is the culture at an organization? 1727 01:24:49,590 --> 01:24:53,810 And so like Microsoft's culture has changed ever since Satya 1728 01:24:53,810 --> 01:24:55,470 Nadella took over, right? 1729 01:24:56,310 --> 01:25:00,110 Nintendo's culture has been evolving for a long time. 1730 01:25:00,530 --> 01:25:07,030 And right now their culture, I think is more keen on sort of like. 1731 01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:07,910 The. 1732 01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:10,930 Being up to date, let's say, right. 1733 01:25:10,950 --> 01:25:13,900 Like with the current standards, I, that's why I think they're going to be 1734 01:25:13,900 --> 01:25:18,479 backwards compatible to like, they've been, you know, consistently like, Oh, 1735 01:25:18,480 --> 01:25:20,180 we're just going to do our own thing. 1736 01:25:20,190 --> 01:25:24,280 And as far as like, you know, low end hardware, they're 1737 01:25:24,280 --> 01:25:25,299 going to continue doing that. 1738 01:25:25,669 --> 01:25:31,330 Um, but I think they know that they have to go with familiarity and 1739 01:25:31,340 --> 01:25:33,180 backwards, compelling compatibility. 1740 01:25:33,620 --> 01:25:33,880 Mm. 1741 01:25:34,650 --> 01:25:36,230 I just don't think they're going to do a number. 1742 01:25:36,230 --> 01:25:37,800 I think they'll do some weird thing. 1743 01:25:37,810 --> 01:25:38,420 Like they always do. 1744 01:25:38,420 --> 01:25:39,360 Super switch. 1745 01:25:41,380 --> 01:25:42,390 That's the best 1746 01:25:42,450 --> 01:25:43,870 non number answer. 1747 01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:45,939 Well, and they've had backwards compatibility before. 1748 01:25:46,009 --> 01:25:48,180 Wii, Wii U, kind of stuff like that. 1749 01:25:48,419 --> 01:25:48,969 So. 1750 01:25:48,999 --> 01:25:49,730 GameCube, or Game Boy, 1751 01:25:50,169 --> 01:25:50,619 also? 1752 01:25:50,620 --> 01:25:52,040 Yeah, Game Boy, Game Boy. 1753 01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:53,360 They have backwards. 1754 01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:53,880 Super switch advance. 1755 01:25:54,450 --> 01:25:55,110 Yeah, so. 1756 01:25:55,150 --> 01:25:56,430 Yeah, dude. 1757 01:25:56,430 --> 01:25:57,579 Dude. 1758 01:25:57,580 --> 01:25:59,780 I'm here for super duper switch. 1759 01:25:59,860 --> 01:26:00,570 I'm here for that one. 1760 01:26:00,580 --> 01:26:01,340 I like it. 1761 01:26:01,340 --> 01:26:02,239 Super duper switch. 1762 01:26:02,239 --> 01:26:02,539 Super. 1763 01:26:05,060 --> 01:26:05,750 Ultra Switch. 1764 01:26:06,470 --> 01:26:06,680 Yeah. 1765 01:26:06,685 --> 01:26:07,820 At least, at least we didn't. 1766 01:26:07,820 --> 01:26:07,940 Oh dude. 1767 01:26:07,940 --> 01:26:11,185 Ultra Switch would be great because that would be a callback to the Oh my God. 1768 01:26:11,185 --> 01:26:11,465 Yeah. 1769 01:26:11,545 --> 01:26:11,905 I love that. 1770 01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:12,320 What's, 1771 01:26:13,310 --> 01:26:15,770 what's the, uh, what's the bits for this? 1772 01:26:16,370 --> 01:26:18,290 Um, it's a 64 1773 01:26:18,290 --> 01:26:18,530 bit. 1774 01:26:19,130 --> 01:26:19,610 No, I know, 1775 01:26:19,610 --> 01:26:21,440 but, uh, the, uh, ah, 1776 01:26:21,710 --> 01:26:27,110 don't worry about it, . So I, at least we can all agree that I'm not gonna call it. 1777 01:26:27,485 --> 01:26:31,385 The switch You or the new Nintendo switch? 1778 01:26:31,475 --> 01:26:32,465 Oh, that's the other. 1779 01:26:32,465 --> 01:26:33,096 That's the other one. 1780 01:26:33,096 --> 01:26:34,025 Oh, that's what they're gonna call. 1781 01:26:34,025 --> 01:26:35,555 It's the new Nintendo Switch. 1782 01:26:35,555 --> 01:26:35,825 Yeah. 1783 01:26:35,915 --> 01:26:37,205 Oh my God. 1784 01:26:38,705 --> 01:26:40,235 I was thinking memory bus, by the way. 1785 01:26:41,015 --> 01:26:41,586 What's the memory bus. 1786 01:26:41,591 --> 01:26:42,455 Oh, memory bus. 1787 01:26:42,515 --> 01:26:42,635 Yeah. 1788 01:26:42,635 --> 01:26:46,055 Like is it They nap 50? 1789 01:26:47,105 --> 01:26:48,455 It could be 1 92 switch. 1790 01:26:48,455 --> 01:26:48,995 1 92. 1791 01:26:49,085 --> 01:26:49,685 I'm here for it. 1792 01:26:52,115 --> 01:26:54,695 Hey, that that would be better than the new Nintendo switch. 1793 01:26:54,695 --> 01:26:56,585 I would go with Switch 1 92. 1794 01:26:57,090 --> 01:26:58,180 The new Nintendo 1795 01:26:58,180 --> 01:26:59,460 Switch U. 1796 01:27:00,290 --> 01:27:00,800 Super Mario 1797 01:27:00,810 --> 01:27:01,640 192. 1798 01:27:02,030 --> 01:27:04,030 Right, yeah, Super Mario 192. 1799 01:27:06,030 --> 01:27:07,490 Dude, what happened between Super Mario Bros. 1800 01:27:07,490 --> 01:27:09,279 3 and Super M What happened to Super Mario Bros. 1801 01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:12,240 4 through Super Mario Bros. 1802 01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:13,026 191? 1803 01:27:13,026 --> 01:27:14,599 Yoshi's Island. 1804 01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:16,880 Yeah, dude, Yoshi's Island, what's up? 1805 01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:18,300 Oh, man. 1806 01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:19,790 Hmm. 1807 01:27:19,890 --> 01:27:20,450 That's awesome. 1808 01:27:20,980 --> 01:27:21,540 You know, I think 1809 01:27:21,540 --> 01:27:22,234 Alright, guys. 1810 01:27:22,735 --> 01:27:24,125 I was gonna say, I think I gotta head out. 1811 01:27:24,865 --> 01:27:25,815 Alright, take care, man. 1812 01:27:25,815 --> 01:27:26,085 Rich, 1813 01:27:26,085 --> 01:27:27,315 thank you for joining us, my friend. 1814 01:27:27,555 --> 01:27:28,825 It was a pleasure to see you. 1815 01:27:28,915 --> 01:27:30,974 Yeah, I appreciate you joining us. 1816 01:27:31,055 --> 01:27:32,745 Yeah, thanks for having me on, really appreciate it. 1817 01:27:32,765 --> 01:27:33,175 Thank you. 1818 01:27:34,655 --> 01:27:35,125 Talk soon. 1819 01:27:35,415 --> 01:27:36,055 Alright, see ya. 1820 01:27:38,885 --> 01:27:41,464 So, here's something I was thinking. 1821 01:27:41,725 --> 01:27:46,015 And, you know, everybody knows that I give Nintendo a really hard time because 1822 01:27:46,015 --> 01:27:49,065 of some of their, like, IP issues, right? 1823 01:27:49,275 --> 01:27:49,505 Right. 1824 01:27:49,515 --> 01:27:54,415 But, I also really applaud Nintendo when they deserve it. 1825 01:27:54,705 --> 01:28:00,174 Uh, the fact that they are innovating, I mean, this is something 1826 01:28:00,235 --> 01:28:02,465 that, um, Lenovo did, right? 1827 01:28:02,735 --> 01:28:06,955 But, also, like, It's still, like, an innovation for a console to 1828 01:28:06,955 --> 01:28:12,204 have an optical mouse, essentially, available to, for gameplay. 1829 01:28:12,205 --> 01:28:13,545 That's huge! 1830 01:28:13,615 --> 01:28:20,005 For, for, like, there are very few other, uh, game companies out there 1831 01:28:20,005 --> 01:28:21,924 that innovate as much as Nintendo does. 1832 01:28:22,124 --> 01:28:22,384 Right? 1833 01:28:22,405 --> 01:28:23,565 They're willing to take risks. 1834 01:28:24,605 --> 01:28:25,965 I do like that a lot. 1835 01:28:25,985 --> 01:28:30,635 That, I mean, I'll be honest though, beyond that, there's not much risk taking 1836 01:28:30,635 --> 01:28:34,955 with the switch and even that is not really much of a risk in the sense of 1837 01:28:34,985 --> 01:28:39,215 like, it could, it might not be used, but I don't think it's going to like, it's not 1838 01:28:39,215 --> 01:28:44,824 like going from Wii to Wii U kind of thing and you know, it's, but I do, I do agree. 1839 01:28:44,825 --> 01:28:49,245 Like they do at least iterate our, uh, innovate that is. 1840 01:28:49,245 --> 01:28:53,845 And so does, uh, Sony like with the PlayStation, they try to Innovate 1841 01:28:53,975 --> 01:28:56,905 to in their own ways, like with their controllers and stuff, but 1842 01:28:56,995 --> 01:29:00,705 yeah, well, and the other thing that I was thinking it like, James, you brought 1843 01:29:00,705 --> 01:29:03,974 it up earlier where you're like, what's going to happen when we hit Moore's law? 1844 01:29:03,975 --> 01:29:07,964 And there's not going to be a much more performance to extract from hardware. 1845 01:29:08,944 --> 01:29:10,255 Innovation, right? 1846 01:29:10,295 --> 01:29:13,905 Like, having like, we've settled, we've kind of stagnated on the 1847 01:29:13,905 --> 01:29:15,935 traditional controller layout. 1848 01:29:15,945 --> 01:29:19,745 Like, every 3rd party controller I have looks exactly like this. 1849 01:29:20,875 --> 01:29:22,375 in terms of inputs, right? 1850 01:29:22,675 --> 01:29:27,555 And it's like having, like, that's one of the reasons I'm really excited 1851 01:29:27,555 --> 01:29:32,935 about the Steam Controller 2, is because it has, like, all of the same 1852 01:29:32,944 --> 01:29:37,235 stuff that the Steam Deck has, but it's going to be available to anybody 1853 01:29:37,285 --> 01:29:38,725 who isn't playing on a Steam Deck. 1854 01:29:39,045 --> 01:29:43,555 And so being able to innovate is going to be huge in terms of 1855 01:29:43,745 --> 01:29:45,485 input, in terms of experience. 1856 01:29:45,825 --> 01:29:51,415 I, I just am, I'm, You know, last week I said that I have zero interest in 1857 01:29:51,895 --> 01:29:56,545 In the switch 2 but like after seeing this i'm kind of like okay I can see 1858 01:29:56,545 --> 01:29:59,915 this being pretty neat, especially if they implement it in a game like 1859 01:29:59,915 --> 01:30:01,995 mario Like how would you implement that 1860 01:30:02,465 --> 01:30:05,904 or play call of duty cross play with you know a playstation player? 1861 01:30:05,915 --> 01:30:08,425 You're able to own them more because you have better precision. 1862 01:30:08,634 --> 01:30:10,025 Yeah or halo 1863 01:30:11,190 --> 01:30:11,550 Or Halo. 1864 01:30:11,700 --> 01:30:11,890 Or 1865 01:30:11,890 --> 01:30:12,980 Halo, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1866 01:30:12,980 --> 01:30:13,780 Yeah, that was 1867 01:30:13,940 --> 01:30:16,000 Yeah, well that's on our list, right? 1868 01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:19,219 Like, Halo and, uh, and possibly other games are gonna 1869 01:30:19,219 --> 01:30:20,929 be coming to the Switch too. 1870 01:30:21,349 --> 01:30:22,889 Uh, and the PlayStation 5. 1871 01:30:22,989 --> 01:30:28,689 So, yeah, I mean This is from, uh, Windows Central, right? 1872 01:30:28,740 --> 01:30:30,119 Like, this, this news? 1873 01:30:30,809 --> 01:30:32,769 Yeah, Jez Corden, so Jez 1874 01:30:32,809 --> 01:30:33,330 Corden, 1875 01:30:33,745 --> 01:30:33,942 yeah. 1876 01:30:33,942 --> 01:30:38,779 Yeah, so, you know, Halo, the, the game that basically made Microsoft the, you 1877 01:30:38,780 --> 01:30:41,869 know, Xbox the juggler it is today. 1878 01:30:42,449 --> 01:30:45,509 Imagine that coming to, like, PlayStation 5 and, like, Switch and stuff, like, 1879 01:30:45,519 --> 01:30:46,650 you would have never seen that coming. 1880 01:30:46,699 --> 01:30:50,169 Like, I know, like, back in the day, they were, like, trying to, they were 1881 01:30:50,169 --> 01:30:53,839 trying to get Halo on the Nintendo DS, like, the first one, like, a 1882 01:30:53,839 --> 01:30:55,549 long, long time ago, I remember that. 1883 01:30:56,299 --> 01:30:59,599 Nothing ever came from it, I don't think, but, I mean, it was an ambitious 1884 01:30:59,599 --> 01:31:03,940 idea at the time, and now it's being realized in the form of, like, what was 1885 01:31:03,940 --> 01:31:06,230 it, like, five or six full Halos now. 1886 01:31:07,529 --> 01:31:14,049 Yeah, I mean, imagine, like, imagine, Bill Gates is standing on stage, he unveils the 1887 01:31:14,049 --> 01:31:18,629 Xbox 360, er, the original Xbox, and then The Rock comes out and says, And you can 1888 01:31:18,629 --> 01:31:25,919 buy our best games on the PlayStation 2 as well, or, you know, like, It's ridiculous. 1889 01:31:26,530 --> 01:31:30,589 Like, it's good for gamers, but it doesn't make any sense for Microsoft. 1890 01:31:30,590 --> 01:31:32,839 I don't know. 1891 01:31:32,839 --> 01:31:33,280 Yeah, 1892 01:31:33,540 --> 01:31:36,099 it really depends on if you're trying to sell units, or you're 1893 01:31:36,099 --> 01:31:38,094 trying to sell, exclusivity. 1894 01:31:38,105 --> 01:31:40,674 If you're there's a lot of reasons to open it up. 1895 01:31:40,754 --> 01:31:43,035 And I like that Microsoft's doing that with Xbox. 1896 01:31:43,035 --> 01:31:46,825 I think they're, I think they're doing a good job at least to PC. 1897 01:31:47,254 --> 01:31:52,364 But yeah, opening up to PlayStation and switch is a little weird. 1898 01:31:52,714 --> 01:31:57,734 Because Microsoft owns the PC space for the most part for gaming, right? 1899 01:31:58,444 --> 01:32:00,594 So that makes sense to bleed into that area. 1900 01:32:02,325 --> 01:32:08,544 It's, it's kind of like, I'm reminded of Microsoft's, uh, strategy in the early 1901 01:32:08,544 --> 01:32:11,825 nineties, embrace, extend, extinguish. 1902 01:32:13,025 --> 01:32:15,235 And that's really what this feels like to me. 1903 01:32:15,275 --> 01:32:19,934 Like if they can get their flagship games, which they don't really have 1904 01:32:19,934 --> 01:32:25,535 a whole lot of anymore, even though they keep buying up IPs, like if they 1905 01:32:25,535 --> 01:32:27,764 can do that, what else can they do? 1906 01:32:27,824 --> 01:32:29,945 Like, you know, especially if. 1907 01:32:30,544 --> 01:32:33,924 They're selling these games on other platforms and giving them away for free on 1908 01:32:33,924 --> 01:32:39,264 Xbox with their game pass It's like I just don't understand the strategy here and and 1909 01:32:39,264 --> 01:32:41,584 my paranoia about Microsoft is kicking in 1910 01:32:41,974 --> 01:32:49,035 so Okay, guys get get surprised in like What it how long has it been 1911 01:32:49,035 --> 01:32:52,164 since they've acquired their companies like two years now since they've been 1912 01:32:52,164 --> 01:32:59,119 really acquiring things So, let's say give it four to six years for A 1913 01:32:59,119 --> 01:33:05,179 lot of the projects they probably, uh, started or like made, uh, some of 1914 01:33:05,179 --> 01:33:10,399 these game companies like blizzard, uh, um, Bethesda and stuff like that. 1915 01:33:10,399 --> 01:33:16,009 Like there's probably going to be a huge plethora of like, um, very 1916 01:33:16,009 --> 01:33:21,529 specific flagship type games coming in like four years from now, um, is a 1917 01:33:21,529 --> 01:33:26,519 good chance because, uh, they probably want to, they bought up those IPs. 1918 01:33:26,529 --> 01:33:27,439 They're going to want to use them. 1919 01:33:27,809 --> 01:33:29,099 It'll be interesting. 1920 01:33:29,110 --> 01:33:33,409 So I'm, I'm not going to say that Microsoft's out of the game yet, 1921 01:33:33,440 --> 01:33:39,549 or even out of the game of like out of the games of games, but they're 1922 01:33:39,559 --> 01:33:42,619 changing their strategy and it'll be interesting to see how it plays. 1923 01:33:42,629 --> 01:33:46,879 Cause even if they get all those games onto every device, I think 1924 01:33:46,889 --> 01:33:50,049 they'll make a killing and they'll make a lot more money technically 1925 01:33:50,860 --> 01:33:53,230 than if it was just exclusive on Xbox. 1926 01:33:53,230 --> 01:33:53,940 And so. 1927 01:33:54,504 --> 01:33:55,204 We'll see though. 1928 01:33:55,565 --> 01:33:55,954 We'll see. 1929 01:33:56,804 --> 01:34:00,544 I mean Sony, I mean the same could, I mean the same could apply to Sony too. 1930 01:34:00,554 --> 01:34:04,494 With them releasing all of their games day one on everything too, but yeah. 1931 01:34:05,464 --> 01:34:06,474 They're not. 1932 01:34:07,414 --> 01:34:08,144 Well yeah. 1933 01:34:08,524 --> 01:34:09,364 They're only releasing 1934 01:34:09,364 --> 01:34:14,304 for, and they're not even doing day ones for Steam but, Uh, Sony 1935 01:34:14,304 --> 01:34:15,974 and Nintendo are very different. 1936 01:34:16,814 --> 01:34:19,714 And I don't know if, you know what I'm saying? 1937 01:34:19,724 --> 01:34:22,534 Like, I don't know if that's the right way or the wrong way. 1938 01:34:22,534 --> 01:34:25,784 Like they're different and they want to innovate and they want to do their own 1939 01:34:25,784 --> 01:34:30,444 thing, but that doesn't mean that, well, especially with hardware limitations, like 1940 01:34:30,444 --> 01:34:31,704 what are they going to sell in the future? 1941 01:34:31,704 --> 01:34:41,684 Like what, what are they going to do in six years, 10 years when hardware doesn't, 1942 01:34:42,084 --> 01:34:43,964 um, improve as much as they need it to. 1943 01:34:44,094 --> 01:34:45,864 Like, I'm just curious on that. 1944 01:34:47,059 --> 01:34:47,829 I don't know, man. 1945 01:34:47,839 --> 01:34:51,419 It's, it's, it's a bit of a conundrum and like all the stuff really 1946 01:34:51,419 --> 01:34:55,409 like ticks me off about Microsoft because I know Microsoft can do 1947 01:34:55,429 --> 01:34:56,999 better with their Xbox brand. 1948 01:34:57,019 --> 01:35:00,400 Like, I know a lot of like, yeah, like Gardner said earlier, a lot of our 1949 01:35:00,419 --> 01:35:05,079 comments are like, this seems like Xbox hate, but we don't hate Xbox. 1950 01:35:05,089 --> 01:35:07,909 We're kind of upset because we liked Xbox like in the past. 1951 01:35:08,209 --> 01:35:09,589 So, yeah, like I, 1952 01:35:09,769 --> 01:35:13,929 I still have my 360 hooked up in my living room, just saying. 1953 01:35:14,524 --> 01:35:18,024 Yeah, like if, uh, like if we hated Xbox, we probably wouldn't 1954 01:35:18,034 --> 01:35:19,124 be talking about this at all. 1955 01:35:19,184 --> 01:35:21,584 And yeah, we'd be like irrational fans. 1956 01:35:21,634 --> 01:35:21,894 Oh no, 1957 01:35:22,144 --> 01:35:24,974 you'd, you'd be talking about Xbox a lot more, but yeah, we 1958 01:35:24,974 --> 01:35:28,894 don't talk about Xbox enough, but like it, oh, haters love to talk. 1959 01:35:28,914 --> 01:35:32,364 Like, okay, I will say that I will say this. 1960 01:35:32,714 --> 01:35:35,674 They bought up, like, give them time to cook, give them time to 1961 01:35:35,674 --> 01:35:38,874 just maybe get some IPs rolling. 1962 01:35:38,874 --> 01:35:41,464 Cause it's not going to be an instant thing with games. 1963 01:35:41,594 --> 01:35:41,614 Yeah. 1964 01:35:42,244 --> 01:35:46,314 But I agree from the hardware standpoint, if you're a big Xbox fan, like from the 1965 01:35:46,324 --> 01:35:48,094 hardware standpoint, it's going to be. 1966 01:35:49,664 --> 01:35:50,274 Yeah. 1967 01:35:50,314 --> 01:35:52,914 Like, I mean, they, they put out, they still put out 1968 01:35:52,914 --> 01:35:54,524 games, like really good games. 1969 01:35:54,524 --> 01:35:56,384 Like I hear like Indiana Jones is good. 1970 01:35:56,384 --> 01:35:57,794 Like I know you've played it, right? 1971 01:35:58,024 --> 01:35:58,214 Yeah. 1972 01:35:58,214 --> 01:35:58,364 It's 1973 01:35:58,374 --> 01:35:59,054 really good. 1974 01:35:59,634 --> 01:36:00,374 Yeah. 1975 01:36:00,375 --> 01:36:03,954 So this is their play. 1976 01:36:04,094 --> 01:36:04,634 I don't know. 1977 01:36:04,654 --> 01:36:06,894 I'm not angry with Xbox for doing what they're doing. 1978 01:36:07,474 --> 01:36:11,364 I do think that they should have switched over to a handheld much suit. 1979 01:36:11,364 --> 01:36:15,044 Like Like this year or last year and that should be their flagship 1980 01:36:15,504 --> 01:36:18,554 and uh, have it be like able to plug into the TV or something. 1981 01:36:18,754 --> 01:36:20,434 I think they're going to have to do some type of play like that. 1982 01:36:20,434 --> 01:36:21,594 I'd love to see that. 1983 01:36:22,105 --> 01:36:25,734 Um, that'd give me more faith in Xbox if they went and just did a different 1984 01:36:25,734 --> 01:36:31,194 play cause that's kind of what gamers are wanting more and more is to 1985 01:36:31,194 --> 01:36:32,374 be able to play on the go, right? 1986 01:36:32,384 --> 01:36:35,524 And so, not everyone of course, but it'd be interesting. 1987 01:36:36,274 --> 01:36:41,244 Yeah, I mean, it's an interesting time for Microsoft and Xbox fans. 1988 01:36:41,875 --> 01:36:44,464 We don't know what's gonna happen, but yeah. 1989 01:36:45,884 --> 01:36:46,304 Yeah. 1990 01:36:46,995 --> 01:36:50,705 Uh, maybe they should introduce some AI into what they're doing. 1991 01:36:51,195 --> 01:36:52,414 Oh, no. 1992 01:36:52,414 --> 01:36:53,224 Oh, no. 1993 01:36:53,394 --> 01:36:53,945 Have they? 1994 01:36:54,105 --> 01:36:55,245 Does the Xbox have AI? 1995 01:36:55,775 --> 01:36:56,054 Sorry. 1996 01:36:56,535 --> 01:36:59,594 Like, I haven't used an Xbox in a while. 1997 01:36:59,665 --> 01:37:00,454 I haven't either. 1998 01:37:00,504 --> 01:37:02,684 I think Copilot is on Xbox now. 1999 01:37:02,735 --> 01:37:08,554 Uh, so you can write some really shitty code on Xbox too? 2000 01:37:09,474 --> 01:37:12,814 Well, I think Copilot Wait, yeah, I don't think it's just 2001 01:37:14,855 --> 01:37:17,415 I'm just thinking, so Cortana, like they've, they've expired. 2002 01:37:17,485 --> 01:37:21,165 They, they, they like, um, got rid of their AI, right? 2003 01:37:21,165 --> 01:37:22,674 There one where you can talk to it. 2004 01:37:22,775 --> 01:37:24,464 I was like, Cortana, Cortana. 2005 01:37:24,464 --> 01:37:25,004 Yeah. 2006 01:37:25,294 --> 01:37:27,445 I think that is such a missed opportunity. 2007 01:37:27,554 --> 01:37:28,134 I'm not going to lie. 2008 01:37:28,154 --> 01:37:31,455 It was one of my favorite from branding and on X Box. 2009 01:37:31,455 --> 01:37:34,334 Imagine a little holographic, like Cortana popping up every 2010 01:37:34,334 --> 01:37:35,455 time you asked it for stuff. 2011 01:37:35,464 --> 01:37:36,464 That'd be awesome. 2012 01:37:36,705 --> 01:37:39,415 I would have an X Box right now if that was the case. 2013 01:37:39,815 --> 01:37:40,054 Yeah. 2014 01:37:40,054 --> 01:37:42,384 They even got, uh, Jen Taylor to do like. 2015 01:37:48,325 --> 01:37:52,894 It was brand synergy and Microsoft, let's just say they messed it up. 2016 01:37:54,014 --> 01:37:55,644 Yeah, they could always bring it back. 2017 01:37:55,944 --> 01:37:56,304 They could. 2018 01:37:57,684 --> 01:37:58,565 I bet you that'd be a lot. 2019 01:37:58,584 --> 01:38:01,504 I bet you people would rather have Cortana than Copilot. 2020 01:38:02,775 --> 01:38:03,945 I'd let her have Cortana than 2021 01:38:03,945 --> 01:38:05,275 any of the other AI stuff out there. 2022 01:38:06,559 --> 01:38:07,829 I just think it's a cool thing. 2023 01:38:08,469 --> 01:38:14,159 When you installed, uh, Windows 10, if you had audio drivers, Cortana would, 2024 01:38:14,159 --> 01:38:18,199 like, pop up and be like, A little bit of Wi Fi here, and it was like, just 2025 01:38:18,219 --> 01:38:26,459 weirdly sassy, and it just didn't feel like any Like, it didn't feel appropriate 2026 01:38:26,809 --> 01:38:29,719 for what you were doing, and it was like, what is going on with this? 2027 01:38:29,719 --> 01:38:30,189 Why are we doing 2028 01:38:30,829 --> 01:38:31,169 this? 2029 01:38:31,319 --> 01:38:33,919 Cortana is kinda sassy in the games, in like, the original game. 2030 01:38:33,919 --> 01:38:34,169 Yeah. 2031 01:38:34,785 --> 01:38:41,605 But like, also, you know, how many people have played Halo 2032 01:38:41,605 --> 01:38:43,354 enough to know what Cortana is? 2033 01:38:44,525 --> 01:38:46,315 Versus people who are Hey 2034 01:38:46,315 --> 01:38:49,884 man, Halo used to be on top of the world, like, a long time ago. 2035 01:38:50,134 --> 01:38:51,534 It used to be among our generation. 2036 01:38:53,735 --> 01:38:54,304 I don't know. 2037 01:38:54,514 --> 01:38:55,745 I don't know what you're complaining about. 2038 01:38:55,745 --> 01:39:02,224 All I know is I, I did not, I I enjoy Cortana, uh, as a fun brand. 2039 01:39:02,929 --> 01:39:04,144 I, I, I hear you on that though. 2040 01:39:04,144 --> 01:39:05,974 It is kind of like jarring, especially when you're doing 2041 01:39:05,974 --> 01:39:07,535 all that to have avo a voice. 2042 01:39:07,594 --> 01:39:12,214 I don't necessarily want a voice at that point, but what I want is if I'm gonna 2043 01:39:12,214 --> 01:39:17,044 use AI and I do use like, um, Siri and stuff like that, I, I, I do use it. 2044 01:39:17,339 --> 01:39:17,929 Quite a bit. 2045 01:39:17,969 --> 01:39:20,749 Like when I'm cooking to say, Hey, add this to my shopping list, 2046 01:39:20,750 --> 01:39:22,629 I 2047 01:39:22,629 --> 01:39:24,639 would rather do Cortana, I'll be honest. 2048 01:39:24,669 --> 01:39:30,139 Like, just because that's fair of halo and this nostalgia and everything, 2049 01:39:30,169 --> 01:39:35,219 it just feels like I'm talking to an AI instead of like, just a bunch of 2050 01:39:35,219 --> 01:39:39,499 machine learning and some other stuff, you know, that's, that's my take on it. 2051 01:39:39,499 --> 01:39:39,820 Yeah. 2052 01:39:39,849 --> 01:39:40,139 It'd be fun. 2053 01:39:40,139 --> 01:39:40,589 Yeah. 2054 01:39:40,959 --> 01:39:46,384 Well, I mean, speaking of, you know, AI voice assistance, Being performed 2055 01:39:46,414 --> 01:39:51,985 by like, uh, actual actresses like Jen Taylor, uh, SAG after negotiations, 2056 01:39:52,235 --> 01:39:57,034 uh, surrounding the use of AI for voice actors has been ongoing for years at this 2057 01:39:57,054 --> 01:39:58,985 point, or almost a year at this point. 2058 01:39:59,534 --> 01:40:02,994 And, uh, what are we, what's going on with this high tech? 2059 01:40:03,674 --> 01:40:07,964 So apparently according to Jennifer Hale, best known as a commander 2060 01:40:07,964 --> 01:40:10,815 shepherd in, uh, the Mass Effect games. 2061 01:40:11,355 --> 01:40:13,254 Um, essentially it's holding up. 2062 01:40:14,119 --> 01:40:16,079 It's holding up, uh, game development. 2063 01:40:17,429 --> 01:40:21,849 Not only is it doing that, but it's also, like, you know, people are without jobs. 2064 01:40:21,849 --> 01:40:24,799 I don't know if she's referring to, like, voice actors or, 2065 01:40:24,809 --> 01:40:26,749 like, developers, but, like, 2066 01:40:27,849 --> 01:40:28,499 Yeah. 2067 01:40:28,509 --> 01:40:35,929 So, is it, is this, like, a negotia So, is this, um, What's the word I'm looking for? 2068 01:40:36,639 --> 01:40:38,719 Um, so they're doing, like, a protest kind of thing. 2069 01:40:38,739 --> 01:40:40,739 Is it, uh, Damn it. 2070 01:40:41,349 --> 01:40:41,959 Um, 2071 01:40:42,319 --> 01:40:42,849 A strike? 2072 01:40:42,920 --> 01:40:47,099 Yeah, I believe it was a strike. 2073 01:40:47,099 --> 01:40:54,239 So, essentially, what's going on is that, you know, voice actors are concerned that 2074 01:40:54,929 --> 01:41:00,459 you can just use AI to generate their voices and use them and they don't get 2075 01:41:00,459 --> 01:41:05,024 paid their dues because instead of having them take, like, however many takes it 2076 01:41:05,024 --> 01:41:09,029 takes to get a good line, you just type it in and then it just generates it. 2077 01:41:09,985 --> 01:41:13,245 And then they didn't do any of the work and as such, you don't pay them. 2078 01:41:13,245 --> 01:41:16,594 So at the day, it's about getting like fair compensation. 2079 01:41:17,764 --> 01:41:21,644 This is really messed up and this is happening in the movie industry 2080 01:41:21,664 --> 01:41:24,754 and some others like with actors and stuff that these companies think 2081 01:41:24,754 --> 01:41:28,335 they can own your voice or own like likenesses and stuff like that. 2082 01:41:28,915 --> 01:41:31,065 Um, and here's another thing. 2083 01:41:31,724 --> 01:41:35,694 Uh, like with this specifically too, is that, yeah, is it holding 2084 01:41:35,694 --> 01:41:37,104 up game development and all that? 2085 01:41:37,134 --> 01:41:37,404 Yeah. 2086 01:41:37,404 --> 01:41:39,054 That's the whole point of a strike. 2087 01:41:39,064 --> 01:41:43,194 That's a whole point of this type of stuff is to put pressure on the company 2088 01:41:43,204 --> 01:41:44,694 to say, Hey, you can't do this stuff. 2089 01:41:45,064 --> 01:41:49,214 And I think it's pretty reasonable to say, yeah, you can't AI generate my 2090 01:41:49,294 --> 01:41:53,244 voice unless I get big time residuals. 2091 01:41:53,254 --> 01:41:56,264 Like if they want to start doing this type of stuff, you're going to 2092 01:41:56,264 --> 01:42:01,695 need to get some, uh, Some type of, uh, royalty pay and stuff like that. 2093 01:42:01,704 --> 01:42:02,084 You're good. 2094 01:42:02,565 --> 01:42:07,025 They And at the end of the day, they're going to train their ML. 2095 01:42:07,064 --> 01:42:10,224 Like, and another thing is, they'll probably resolve this in a couple years. 2096 01:42:10,464 --> 01:42:15,934 They're going to train some AI voices that are going to, like, meld with two others. 2097 01:42:16,374 --> 01:42:19,994 Like, and just train it off of their, uh, voices. 2098 01:42:20,174 --> 01:42:21,824 And then they don't have to pay them anything, because 2099 01:42:21,824 --> 01:42:22,159 they don't have royalties. 2100 01:42:22,399 --> 01:42:26,899 You know, once it becomes a different voice, then I believe that they're 2101 01:42:26,899 --> 01:42:30,169 just going to be able to go off and create their own games with it. 2102 01:42:30,169 --> 01:42:31,839 It's, it's, it's a very troubling thing. 2103 01:42:32,149 --> 01:42:33,059 I would say 2104 01:42:33,549 --> 01:42:36,539 there's two things that I think need to happen with this. 2105 01:42:36,549 --> 01:42:38,609 The first thing, like you were saying, James, there needs to 2106 01:42:38,619 --> 01:42:42,109 be residuals or royalties or something, and it needs to cost. 2107 01:42:42,794 --> 01:42:46,914 80 percent of what it costs to pay an actor to actually do it, right? 2108 01:42:46,934 --> 01:42:52,705 Like it has to be prohibitively expensive to the point where they just say, you 2109 01:42:52,705 --> 01:42:55,354 know what, we'll get better results if we hire someone and it's not going 2110 01:42:55,355 --> 01:42:56,834 to be that much more expensive, right? 2111 01:42:57,044 --> 01:43:01,404 That's a, that would be important thing for the, uh, 2112 01:43:01,414 --> 01:43:02,689 the actors guild to, to, to do. 2113 01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:05,960 To get in their contract with game developers. 2114 01:43:06,370 --> 01:43:11,780 Uh, but the other thing I think is that there needs to be some kind of like AI 2115 01:43:11,809 --> 01:43:14,749 training material provenance, right? 2116 01:43:14,749 --> 01:43:19,549 Like there needs to be like proof of where an AI. 2117 01:43:20,335 --> 01:43:24,504 An AI's training data came from, and it needs to be like, 2118 01:43:24,544 --> 01:43:25,985 almost like a blockchain. 2119 01:43:25,995 --> 01:43:30,985 It needs to be an, like a, a scrutable ledger of where data came 2120 01:43:30,985 --> 01:43:36,115 from and how, like where an AI is generating its information from. 2121 01:43:36,464 --> 01:43:39,115 If you want ethical, cause it's not ethical if you don't do it otherwise. 2122 01:43:39,155 --> 01:43:42,134 I think, I think I'm on that board of it's not, it's not ethical. 2123 01:43:42,325 --> 01:43:42,615 Right. 2124 01:43:42,615 --> 01:43:43,105 Exactly. 2125 01:43:43,105 --> 01:43:43,315 Yeah. 2126 01:43:43,934 --> 01:43:45,144 That's the word I was looking for. 2127 01:43:45,644 --> 01:43:49,634 Um, but like having that providence, having that, like, um, ledger, 2128 01:43:49,634 --> 01:43:53,834 if you will, would be huge, uh, for, for this kind of stuff. 2129 01:43:53,834 --> 01:43:58,774 Because then, you know, uh, Microsoft couldn't get away with saying, 2130 01:43:59,304 --> 01:44:02,094 It's okay to steal shit as long as you're training an AI with it. 2131 01:44:02,605 --> 01:44:04,365 You know, like, they literally said that. 2132 01:44:04,414 --> 01:44:09,584 I mean, granted, copyright infringement isn't stealing, but I think if you 2133 01:44:09,594 --> 01:44:13,264 are infringing someone's copyright and you're doing it by scraping stuff 2134 01:44:13,264 --> 01:44:17,914 from their website, I think that, that bandwidth, uh, is, is theft. 2135 01:44:17,914 --> 01:44:20,384 Like, if you're taking it against their will, right? 2136 01:44:20,554 --> 01:44:21,644 You're using someone's bandwidth. 2137 01:44:22,684 --> 01:44:27,445 Yeah, and I mean, like, like, the sort of, like, vocal theft is. 2138 01:44:27,994 --> 01:44:32,224 It's far more damning than say, I don't know, downloading a clip of like 2139 01:44:32,224 --> 01:44:35,214 them talking from YouTube and then editing that around to make it sound 2140 01:44:35,235 --> 01:44:36,474 like they're making another word. 2141 01:44:36,834 --> 01:44:36,914 And 2142 01:44:37,304 --> 01:44:40,414 like, it's totally different because you can make them say whatever you want. 2143 01:44:40,574 --> 01:44:44,784 And in like, and it's not just like, game studios have access 2144 01:44:44,785 --> 01:44:46,035 to this, like it's anyone. 2145 01:44:46,394 --> 01:44:47,914 Like you can make anyone say anything. 2146 01:44:47,924 --> 01:44:52,905 Someone could take your videos, put them in like an algorithm, you know, filter 2147 01:44:52,905 --> 01:44:57,199 out the music and stuff, and then put it into like, A voice AI, then they can 2148 01:44:57,199 --> 01:45:01,309 just make their own bootleg versions of like, Gardener Bryant or Games Revealed. 2149 01:45:01,809 --> 01:45:02,329 Yep. 2150 01:45:02,929 --> 01:45:09,079 That's why I actually wrote a license, uh, For, for AI stuff, so, The, I 2151 01:45:09,079 --> 01:45:13,069 wrote a license called the Authoral Integrity License, And it's basically 2152 01:45:13,069 --> 01:45:17,919 like, the only way you're allowed to use any of my content, For in a machine 2153 01:45:17,919 --> 01:45:21,610 learning situation is if you're using it to provide accessibility to someone. 2154 01:45:21,849 --> 01:45:25,789 So like adding like text transcriptions or something like that, like that's the 2155 01:45:25,789 --> 01:45:28,179 only way I want my voice used with AI. 2156 01:45:28,180 --> 01:45:29,659 I 2157 01:45:29,659 --> 01:45:30,570 think that's a good idea. 2158 01:45:30,639 --> 01:45:31,249 That is a good idea. 2159 01:45:31,279 --> 01:45:33,149 I, yeah, go ahead. 2160 01:45:33,539 --> 01:45:40,400 So yeah, with, I don't, here's from a gamer standpoint, I don't want to be 2161 01:45:40,400 --> 01:45:44,889 playing the next mass effect and have the main character be AI generated. 2162 01:45:44,909 --> 01:45:45,740 I can tell. 2163 01:45:46,315 --> 01:45:50,714 Even to this point, I can tell a lot of people can't cause I, I have AI generated 2164 01:45:50,714 --> 01:45:55,294 my voice for my audience before and they couldn't tell, which I was a little like, 2165 01:45:55,504 --> 01:45:55,844 Hmm, 2166 01:45:56,534 --> 01:46:00,474 interesting because I, I have some tools just for fun to do it. 2167 01:46:01,344 --> 01:46:05,764 But I can tell, and I think, I feel like we've had this discussion before, but I 2168 01:46:05,764 --> 01:46:10,714 don't know what I would like to see is, uh, let's say grand theft auto or these 2169 01:46:10,724 --> 01:46:15,154 big games where I want to go interact and have like a very uniquely like. 2170 01:46:16,374 --> 01:46:21,275 AI generated, uh, script with one NPC or something, I think that'd be really fun. 2171 01:46:21,485 --> 01:46:24,414 Like the crazy person, just going crazy, like being able to 2172 01:46:24,554 --> 01:46:25,714 use my voice and talk with them. 2173 01:46:25,944 --> 01:46:26,754 That would be fun. 2174 01:46:26,954 --> 01:46:28,734 AI generated for that is fine. 2175 01:46:29,304 --> 01:46:31,674 In my opinion, as long as you're not using the likeness of someone. 2176 01:46:31,974 --> 01:46:34,819 Or even using that data that was generated, like you need to pay them. 2177 01:46:36,399 --> 01:46:39,039 But I don't want my main characters to have AI generated. 2178 01:46:39,049 --> 01:46:39,829 I just don't want them. 2179 01:46:40,239 --> 01:46:41,949 That's gonna be a big no for me. 2180 01:46:42,859 --> 01:46:44,689 The only, like, I agree with you James. 2181 01:46:44,689 --> 01:46:49,209 The only way I would want to have like AI generated gameplay stuff 2182 01:46:49,249 --> 01:46:51,399 is if I'm playing like a VR game. 2183 01:46:51,449 --> 01:46:56,459 And I'm going around interacting with NPCs, and I can converse with them in 2184 01:46:56,459 --> 01:47:00,489 real time, and they're contextually aware of like, what's going on, any 2185 01:47:00,489 --> 01:47:04,389 quests that I have, or, or even if I just have to tell them, hey, I'm on a quest. 2186 01:47:04,799 --> 01:47:06,289 That would be kinda neat, right? 2187 01:47:06,299 --> 01:47:10,419 To ha to, if they have the parameters of the game and like, what can 2188 01:47:10,419 --> 01:47:11,509 be done, that would be cool. 2189 01:47:11,829 --> 01:47:12,089 Uh. 2190 01:47:12,099 --> 01:47:16,424 So, I think we have They're already working on, they're already 2191 01:47:16,424 --> 01:47:17,565 working on this type of stuff. 2192 01:47:17,615 --> 01:47:20,624 And so like you can get a mod for Grand Theft Auto V that 2193 01:47:20,634 --> 01:47:22,034 you can go and chat with them. 2194 01:47:22,054 --> 01:47:24,814 It will run it through I believe a chat GPT, and this was like years ago. 2195 01:47:25,014 --> 01:47:26,565 Yeah, I'm sure it's even improved better. 2196 01:47:27,804 --> 01:47:28,124 Better. 2197 01:47:29,294 --> 01:47:32,994 So I think we've actually talked about a game like this on the Steam Next Fest. 2198 01:47:33,044 --> 01:47:35,214 It's not a, it's not like an RPG. 2199 01:47:35,315 --> 01:47:37,459 But like yeah, yeah, it's a uh, Yar 2200 01:47:39,169 --> 01:47:40,549 . It's like a girlfriend simulator, right? 2201 01:47:40,549 --> 01:47:40,819 It's like, 2202 01:47:40,879 --> 01:47:41,839 yeah, yeah. 2203 01:47:41,839 --> 01:47:44,719 Where you have to not, where you have to spend time with her, but also not 2204 01:47:44,719 --> 01:47:46,759 piss her off enough to like murder. 2205 01:47:46,759 --> 01:47:48,199 You have her murder you. 2206 01:47:48,469 --> 01:47:49,309 Oh my God. 2207 01:47:49,309 --> 01:47:50,779 It's the fun, it's the funniest thing ever. 2208 01:47:51,019 --> 01:47:51,319 Uh, 2209 01:47:51,979 --> 01:47:52,664 what's the thing in the 2210 01:47:52,729 --> 01:47:53,629 game again? 2211 01:47:53,869 --> 01:47:54,979 AI to you? 2212 01:47:54,979 --> 01:47:56,389 I believe, I think it's about to come out this month. 2213 01:47:56,929 --> 01:47:57,769 Oh, that's right. 2214 01:47:57,829 --> 01:47:58,039 Yeah. 2215 01:47:58,039 --> 01:48:00,229 We talked about that and I was like, why 2216 01:48:02,179 --> 01:48:06,799 ? I mean, it, it's an innovative use of AI and apparent, and from what I understand. 2217 01:48:07,179 --> 01:48:11,070 The art itself wasn't AI generated and I understand that uh, maybe 2218 01:48:11,070 --> 01:48:14,529 the like voice actors have Residuals or something like that. 2219 01:48:14,529 --> 01:48:15,779 I don't know the full details on it. 2220 01:48:15,789 --> 01:48:16,119 But 2221 01:48:16,120 --> 01:48:19,869 as long as it's fair That's what I care about because that type of like 2222 01:48:19,889 --> 01:48:23,079 that's innovative and I like that That's where I want to see the AIs kind 2223 01:48:23,079 --> 01:48:29,129 of stuff go But I want to make sure people are compensated to like I agree. 2224 01:48:29,549 --> 01:48:33,969 Yeah for sure I think that's the I think that's the only like real issue with 2225 01:48:33,969 --> 01:48:39,354 AI because like You AI is quite capable of doing things, like, but the problem 2226 01:48:39,354 --> 01:48:42,884 is that, like, you know, you can use AI to steal people's voices, you can use 2227 01:48:42,934 --> 01:48:48,754 AI to steal entire people's art styles, too, and that's messed up, especially 2228 01:48:48,754 --> 01:48:50,074 if you're using it for commercial use. 2229 01:48:50,114 --> 01:48:53,884 Like, it's one thing if some random guy, you know, does something 2230 01:48:53,884 --> 01:48:57,644 for free and doesn't, like, he doesn't make money from it, 2231 01:48:58,884 --> 01:49:03,444 but it's It's unethical and it's immoral, and it's probably illegal, 2232 01:49:03,794 --> 01:49:04,864 but they're doing it anyway. 2233 01:49:06,184 --> 01:49:06,784 Illegal? 2234 01:49:06,794 --> 01:49:07,954 Well, I don't know. 2235 01:49:08,525 --> 01:49:10,355 Copyright infringement is a criminal offense. 2236 01:49:10,504 --> 01:49:14,884 Yeah, but I don't know if, um, training a system based off of, 2237 01:49:14,894 --> 01:49:18,384 like, copyright material, they're not publishing it, they're not doing it, 2238 01:49:18,554 --> 01:49:22,174 they're training a system that is a derivative work, which is appropriate. 2239 01:49:22,184 --> 01:49:23,554 Which is copyright infringement. 2240 01:49:23,674 --> 01:49:28,074 No, a derivative, a derivative, So, uh, 2241 01:49:29,224 --> 01:49:32,554 Unless something is licensed to allow derivative works, I don't know. 2242 01:49:33,355 --> 01:49:37,105 Any derivative work of a copyrighted work is copyright infringement. 2243 01:49:37,325 --> 01:49:42,735 Unless it's, unless it's like, um, uh, what's the word? 2244 01:49:42,744 --> 01:49:43,365 God damn it. 2245 01:49:43,525 --> 01:49:44,244 Social media. 2246 01:49:44,254 --> 01:49:44,304 Unless 2247 01:49:44,305 --> 01:49:46,405 it's transformative enough. 2248 01:49:46,654 --> 01:49:53,655 But, I would argue, I would argue that an AI algorithm is not creative 2249 01:49:53,704 --> 01:50:00,860 enough to generate something that is, Uh, transformative. 2250 01:50:00,900 --> 01:50:05,769 I think the creative process is what is transformative and therefore AI cannot 2251 01:50:06,249 --> 01:50:08,089 be anything other than derivative work. 2252 01:50:08,090 --> 01:50:10,645 Sorry, go ahead. 2253 01:50:10,645 --> 01:50:12,349 I'm sorry. 2254 01:50:12,349 --> 01:50:12,609 No. 2255 01:50:12,609 --> 01:50:13,689 This is, this is a hotbar. 2256 01:50:14,389 --> 01:50:14,950 This is a debate. 2257 01:50:14,979 --> 01:50:15,448 This is a debate. 2258 01:50:15,448 --> 01:50:20,160 That's what I'm talking about is derivative of like, um, everything, all 2259 01:50:20,169 --> 01:50:24,019 the stuff we've paintings, everything, everything we've done in like, as, 2260 01:50:24,629 --> 01:50:26,700 uh, the human race is derivative work. 2261 01:50:27,019 --> 01:50:27,980 To a point, right? 2262 01:50:28,009 --> 01:50:31,440 And so, but it has, like, I think you're correct on this though. 2263 01:50:31,449 --> 01:50:33,820 Like it has to be different enough. 2264 01:50:33,829 --> 01:50:35,869 And that's what I was going for. 2265 01:50:36,129 --> 01:50:41,440 And I do think like, if you want the art style of maybe one person, but done 2266 01:50:41,449 --> 01:50:46,240 in a completely different, uh, like type of painting, maybe let's say that 2267 01:50:46,280 --> 01:50:52,150 could maybe be argued as derivative enough, but we need to, my, my whole 2268 01:50:52,150 --> 01:50:53,269 point with all this is that we need. 2269 01:50:53,754 --> 01:50:56,254 addendums and stuff to maybe copyright law and some other 2270 01:50:56,254 --> 01:50:58,084 laws, uh, I definitely think 2271 01:50:58,084 --> 01:50:58,244 so. 2272 01:50:58,244 --> 01:51:02,734 Yeah, because copyright law currently may not be enough, may 2273 01:51:02,734 --> 01:51:06,234 not be enough to exactly cover, you know, every AI scenario. 2274 01:51:06,654 --> 01:51:10,064 I think it will, I think it will be eventually, but not right now. 2275 01:51:11,234 --> 01:51:15,154 I do want to mention that, uh, someone, I remember like in the early days of AI, 2276 01:51:15,524 --> 01:51:20,164 someone fed chat GPT, the entirety of like all All of the existing George R. 2277 01:51:20,164 --> 01:51:20,445 R. 2278 01:51:20,454 --> 01:51:24,834 Martin books on the Game of Thrones and they used that to A. 2279 01:51:24,834 --> 01:51:24,964 I. 2280 01:51:24,964 --> 01:51:28,015 generate the next two books and then George R. 2281 01:51:28,015 --> 01:51:28,184 R. 2282 01:51:28,184 --> 01:51:31,944 Martin got pissed off and sued Chad GBT and I think they had to remove it. 2283 01:51:32,724 --> 01:51:33,584 Interesting. 2284 01:51:33,944 --> 01:51:34,254 Hmm. 2285 01:51:34,944 --> 01:51:35,775 He's big enough too. 2286 01:51:35,924 --> 01:51:38,924 I, I think right now because the big companies are, are benefiting 2287 01:51:38,924 --> 01:51:43,525 from this enough that they aren't going to be pushing for anything. 2288 01:51:43,525 --> 01:51:44,615 Like, so you can. 2289 01:51:45,684 --> 01:51:48,664 Big companies really like this because they don't have to pay people as much. 2290 01:51:49,074 --> 01:51:55,605 But if it switches and, uh, up and comers and D whatever, then use these 2291 01:51:55,614 --> 01:52:00,674 things to then make something that let's say, uh, derivative of Disney, Mickey 2292 01:52:00,674 --> 01:52:04,964 mouse, something like, even though that is that copyrights up now, but 2293 01:52:05,074 --> 01:52:06,904 they do something that maybe isn't up. 2294 01:52:06,904 --> 01:52:08,944 Like they do maybe something newer. 2295 01:52:09,769 --> 01:52:13,019 Then you're gonna start seeing big companies probably push for, uh, laws. 2296 01:52:13,029 --> 01:52:15,139 So, we could see it, we might not. 2297 01:52:15,519 --> 01:52:17,849 It really depends on big companies, unfortunately, I 2298 01:52:17,849 --> 01:52:18,149 think. 2299 01:52:18,439 --> 01:52:18,649 I 2300 01:52:18,649 --> 01:52:20,549 think we, I think we have to see the laws sooner. 2301 01:52:20,629 --> 01:52:21,379 Like, sooner than later. 2302 01:52:21,379 --> 01:52:23,579 Because I remember, you guys know Jeff Geerling? 2303 01:52:23,609 --> 01:52:25,559 He does a lot of, like, Raspberry Pi videos. 2304 01:52:25,949 --> 01:52:30,854 His voice is like, for like, like promoting a product, a product. 2305 01:52:32,104 --> 01:52:35,624 And I mean, like, you know, people like MKBHD's voice has been stolen 2306 01:52:35,624 --> 01:52:37,054 to a number of different times. 2307 01:52:37,054 --> 01:52:40,992 Cause you know, 15 million subscribers and it's kind of just what happens to you. 2308 01:52:40,992 --> 01:52:45,664 I think, and I, I'm sure like at some point, like we'll have our 2309 01:52:45,664 --> 01:52:49,244 own version of SAG AFTRA, but like, instead of voice actors, we're like 2310 01:52:49,244 --> 01:52:50,464 content creators on the internet. 2311 01:52:50,784 --> 01:52:52,004 I don't know if that will ever happen. 2312 01:52:52,974 --> 01:52:54,944 They tried to do it a couple years ago in Germany. 2313 01:52:55,004 --> 01:52:57,594 Like, I think, probably 2016 now that I think about it. 2314 01:52:58,004 --> 01:53:01,614 Like, quite a while ago at this point, but they, I don't know where 2315 01:53:01,614 --> 01:53:05,524 it went, but I haven't heard anything about it since they announced there. 2316 01:53:05,664 --> 01:53:06,724 Might be time. 2317 01:53:07,044 --> 01:53:07,474 Yeah. 2318 01:53:08,614 --> 01:53:15,144 Uh, my question is, if we ever see, like, AI generated NPCs in games, what 2319 01:53:15,144 --> 01:53:16,564 is that gonna mean for speedrunning? 2320 01:53:19,594 --> 01:53:22,474 Well, you know, they'll just go back to speedrunning Super Metroid. 2321 01:53:23,064 --> 01:53:24,194 Yeah, that's true. 2322 01:53:24,684 --> 01:53:27,484 Uh, was Super Metroid done at AGDQ this year? 2323 01:53:28,524 --> 01:53:29,474 Uh, probably. 2324 01:53:29,964 --> 01:53:31,274 I'm not gonna lie, I haven't seen it. 2325 01:53:31,524 --> 01:53:31,944 Yeah. 2326 01:53:32,024 --> 01:53:34,984 I kind of just added this as a topic to mention that it happened. 2327 01:53:35,534 --> 01:53:38,074 It was a, it was a, that was a good transition though. 2328 01:53:38,144 --> 01:53:39,234 I feel pretty good about that. 2329 01:53:39,644 --> 01:53:42,544 You know, imagine AI generated Super Metroid. 2330 01:53:42,544 --> 01:53:43,394 That'd be so funny. 2331 01:53:43,834 --> 01:53:44,394 Oh man. 2332 01:53:44,600 --> 01:53:49,519 You've seen AI generated in Minecraft, right? 2333 01:53:49,519 --> 01:53:54,019 Like, it looks like Minecraft, and then you turn, like, you turn like nine degrees 2334 01:53:54,339 --> 01:53:58,269 left, and then you turn nine degrees back, and it's completely different terrain. 2335 01:53:58,704 --> 01:54:03,184 Yeah, I was thinking, uh, AI generated Minecraft is what like the trailers 2336 01:54:03,184 --> 01:54:04,834 for the Minecraft movie looks like. 2337 01:54:05,234 --> 01:54:09,474 Like those, those characters look horrific, dude. 2338 01:54:09,484 --> 01:54:09,854 They look 2339 01:54:09,854 --> 01:54:13,504 horrific and I'm here for it, but I'm here for it as a horror 2340 01:54:13,504 --> 01:54:14,614 movie, not as a Minecraft movie. 2341 01:54:14,615 --> 01:54:18,094 Dude, so we should like recut the Minecraft trailer, 2342 01:54:18,094 --> 01:54:18,994 dude, that'd be awesome. 2343 01:54:19,234 --> 01:54:19,714 As a horror. 2344 01:54:19,715 --> 01:54:20,554 That, that would be. 2345 01:54:20,554 --> 01:54:21,244 Man, Jack Black. 2346 01:54:21,244 --> 01:54:21,344 That, 2347 01:54:21,354 --> 01:54:26,994 the wolf, dude, that wolf is disgusting looking, like why, dude? 2348 01:54:26,995 --> 01:54:27,649 Dude. 2349 01:54:28,410 --> 01:54:29,019 Why did Jack 2350 01:54:29,030 --> 01:54:30,580 Black sign onto the movie, man? 2351 01:54:30,910 --> 01:54:31,650 We'll never know. 2352 01:54:32,259 --> 01:54:33,679 Probably, he has kids, man. 2353 01:54:34,210 --> 01:54:34,450 He probably 2354 01:54:34,450 --> 01:54:35,360 played Minecraft, too. 2355 01:54:35,660 --> 01:54:36,049 Yeah. 2356 01:54:36,120 --> 01:54:37,110 That is true, that is true. 2357 01:54:37,119 --> 01:54:41,750 Kind of reminds me of how, um, Raul Julia did the Street Fighter movie. 2358 01:54:42,480 --> 01:54:47,549 It was objectively a bad movie, but man, he, like, made it, like, watchable. 2359 01:54:48,660 --> 01:54:49,120 Really? 2360 01:54:49,269 --> 01:54:50,129 I haven't seen it. 2361 01:54:50,919 --> 01:54:53,679 Yeah, it's so like, you know how, you know what Street Fighter is, right? 2362 01:54:53,690 --> 01:54:55,889 It's like, it's a series of one on one fights, but they 2363 01:54:55,889 --> 01:54:57,150 turn into like a war epic. 2364 01:54:57,259 --> 01:54:59,319 It's the stupidest thing ever. 2365 01:54:59,320 --> 01:55:01,559 And you know, and you guys know Guile, right? 2366 01:55:02,509 --> 01:55:03,959 He's saving private Guile. 2367 01:55:04,429 --> 01:55:07,889 Alright, so Guile, yeah, so Guile, he's supposed to be this like, 2368 01:55:07,969 --> 01:55:09,549 epitome of American culture. 2369 01:55:09,719 --> 01:55:10,179 Yeah. 2370 01:55:10,230 --> 01:55:15,269 But he's played by Jean Claude Van Damme, who's like, he's like, the most 2371 01:55:15,309 --> 01:55:17,139 like, Belgian American I've ever seen. 2372 01:55:17,999 --> 01:55:18,719 That's funny. 2373 01:55:18,719 --> 01:55:18,769 Yeah. 2374 01:55:19,624 --> 01:55:21,164 And no one throws any fireballs either. 2375 01:55:21,184 --> 01:55:22,424 No one has any powers. 2376 01:55:22,504 --> 01:55:23,484 No Hadoukens? 2377 01:55:23,504 --> 01:55:24,274 No Hadoukens. 2378 01:55:24,324 --> 01:55:25,164 Oh my god. 2379 01:55:25,174 --> 01:55:29,394 And Bison has to use, like, rocket boots to, like, fly around and shit. 2380 01:55:30,274 --> 01:55:30,404 What? 2381 01:55:30,524 --> 01:55:33,984 The only special move you ever see is, like, Guile doing the somersault. 2382 01:55:34,054 --> 01:55:36,144 Which, I mean, is Jean Claude Van Damme. 2383 01:55:36,144 --> 01:55:37,864 He could probably do that in real life, but still. 2384 01:55:38,144 --> 01:55:38,684 Yeah. 2385 01:55:39,134 --> 01:55:40,704 That's hilarious. 2386 01:55:40,724 --> 01:55:41,414 Oh my god. 2387 01:55:42,434 --> 01:55:48,169 So, with this speedrunning stuff, Never thought about it, but from an 2388 01:55:48,179 --> 01:55:51,249 AI standpoint, like, do you think you're going to start getting, 2389 01:55:51,259 --> 01:55:52,370 like, we probably already have it. 2390 01:55:52,370 --> 01:55:54,820 I haven't really looked in speed running in a while. 2391 01:55:55,199 --> 01:55:58,049 I watched like half life speed runs is what I would do because there's a lot 2392 01:55:58,049 --> 01:56:03,149 of, if you watch those, holy crap, they find loopholes to get through those maps. 2393 01:56:03,149 --> 01:56:04,019 So fast. 2394 01:56:04,099 --> 01:56:05,530 I am shocked. 2395 01:56:05,530 --> 01:56:06,800 Um, portal also portal 2396 01:56:06,800 --> 01:56:08,387 has some cool speed, right? 2397 01:56:08,387 --> 01:56:09,974 I haven't seen the speed. 2398 01:56:09,974 --> 01:56:10,927 No, that's good. 2399 01:56:10,927 --> 01:56:11,244 I'll 2400 01:56:11,244 --> 01:56:13,149 have to see those, but AI. 2401 01:56:13,150 --> 01:56:13,230 Okay. 2402 01:56:13,295 --> 01:56:17,344 Like, would be able to speedrun things faster than anything, like, do 2403 01:56:17,384 --> 01:56:19,204 you think they've trained anything? 2404 01:56:19,244 --> 01:56:22,039 Have you seen anything where they've trained AI to 2405 01:56:22,039 --> 01:56:22,364 speedrun? 2406 01:56:22,364 --> 01:56:28,144 Uh, I saw Sethbling do like some real, like, long time ago, like 5 or 6 years 2407 01:56:28,144 --> 01:56:33,234 ago, I saw him do, uh, some AI training for just playing Super Mario Bros. 2408 01:56:33,274 --> 01:56:34,605 Or maybe Super Mario World. 2409 01:56:34,984 --> 01:56:37,514 But I don't think I saw him do AI stuff. 2410 01:56:37,974 --> 01:56:40,769 Um, But that would be interesting. 2411 01:56:40,779 --> 01:56:44,549 Like being able to like have, uh, uh, what is that? 2412 01:56:44,559 --> 01:56:49,219 The task bot, you know, the task bot, uh, having that do some kind of AI 2413 01:56:49,379 --> 01:56:50,809 stuff would be really interesting. 2414 01:56:51,059 --> 01:56:54,599 Being able to like find exploits through like AI based 2415 01:56:54,599 --> 01:56:55,829 fuzzing would be interesting. 2416 01:56:55,839 --> 01:56:56,289 I don't know. 2417 01:56:56,309 --> 01:56:58,059 That's a good, it's a good idea. 2418 01:56:58,339 --> 01:56:58,659 Yeah. 2419 01:56:58,659 --> 01:57:00,069 It's, I mean, I don't know, man. 2420 01:57:00,069 --> 01:57:03,759 It's speed running is kind of like, I don't know. 2421 01:57:03,759 --> 01:57:06,239 It's kind of like weird for me because I know that like. 2422 01:57:07,075 --> 01:57:10,664 You can play a game fast, but like, there's a lot of stuff that makes 2423 01:57:10,664 --> 01:57:12,105 you wonder how they even find it. 2424 01:57:12,634 --> 01:57:16,554 Like, there's a lot of like, exploits that just warp you to the credits, and that's 2425 01:57:16,654 --> 01:57:18,164 quote unquote counts as beating the game. 2426 01:57:18,194 --> 01:57:21,514 I mean, like, it kind of seems a little ridiculous, to be honest. 2427 01:57:21,514 --> 01:57:23,485 I saw an Earthbound speedrun that was kind of like that. 2428 01:57:26,129 --> 01:57:30,269 I've seen some Earthbound speedruns, uh, the entire map, 2429 01:57:30,299 --> 01:57:33,900 like, all levels and everything in Earthbound is just part of one map. 2430 01:57:34,249 --> 01:57:37,990 And so, like, if you go up to, like, uh, like, the top right corner of, like, 2431 01:57:38,009 --> 01:57:42,439 Onett, and you, like, just wiggle your way through one of the cliff sides, you 2432 01:57:42,440 --> 01:57:46,820 can go up and, like, walk through the entire map and find your way to, like, 2433 01:57:47,309 --> 01:57:49,910 Giygas or something, and just, it's wild. 2434 01:57:49,980 --> 01:57:50,919 How would they even fight 2435 01:57:50,919 --> 01:57:51,751 Giygas at that point, though? 2436 01:57:51,751 --> 01:57:53,749 They're, like, level, like, one, right? 2437 01:57:54,224 --> 01:57:55,485 Well, really 2438 01:57:55,485 --> 01:57:56,025 low level. 2439 01:57:56,325 --> 01:57:56,785 Yeah. 2440 01:57:56,785 --> 01:57:58,374 I don't know if they actually fight guy. 2441 01:57:58,384 --> 01:58:01,105 I guess I think that they can like do some other exploits to 2442 01:58:01,105 --> 01:58:02,905 actually get to the end credits. 2443 01:58:04,184 --> 01:58:06,874 I think it's fun that they find ways to do this. 2444 01:58:06,944 --> 01:58:09,214 It's just, it extends the life of the game. 2445 01:58:09,214 --> 01:58:12,764 Cause you're just like, Oh yeah, I did not realize you could do all this weird stuff. 2446 01:58:12,775 --> 01:58:16,495 I mean, I would never play it that way because it takes a lot of work, but 2447 01:58:16,495 --> 01:58:20,704 like the bunny hopping in half life, like I'll go back to that all the time. 2448 01:58:20,704 --> 01:58:23,105 Like they can jump over the whole fricking map. 2449 01:58:23,120 --> 01:58:28,369 It's Was it like backwards, like jumping backwards doesn't have, like has 2450 01:58:28,399 --> 01:58:30,019 infinite acceleration, is that correct? 2451 01:58:30,020 --> 01:58:31,929 Yeah. 2452 01:58:31,929 --> 01:58:33,839 Yeah. 2453 01:58:33,839 --> 01:58:36,949 And there's like air control stuff too, right, where you can, if you, when you're 2454 01:58:36,949 --> 01:58:41,259 not, when there's no friction of the player moving against the ground, and 2455 01:58:41,259 --> 01:58:45,349 you're strafing left and right, and moving the camera in a certain way, you can just 2456 01:58:45,489 --> 01:58:48,179 gain incredible speed going forwards too. 2457 01:58:49,369 --> 01:58:51,839 Isn't that the whole like basis of surfing maps in CS? 2458 01:58:52,769 --> 01:58:53,229 Yeah, 2459 01:58:53,589 --> 01:58:56,119 yep It's it's wild. 2460 01:58:56,139 --> 01:58:57,729 I just watched a video recently. 2461 01:58:57,819 --> 01:59:06,469 This is totally tangential but uh about like the the um, the legacy of Uh id tech 2462 01:59:06,499 --> 01:59:12,339 2 right like the quake engine and how and like where that that ended up becoming 2463 01:59:12,749 --> 01:59:18,154 um Source, but it also ended up becoming like all kinds of other like there's 2464 01:59:18,174 --> 01:59:24,034 still code from id tech 2 being used in or maybe in tech 3 but one of them still 2465 01:59:24,044 --> 01:59:29,864 being used today in games like call of duty and and in uh, like the the light 2466 01:59:30,204 --> 01:59:37,154 uh flashing pattern in um half life alex is the same as in the original half life 2467 01:59:39,169 --> 01:59:43,679 because it's all based on it's so wild dude it's so I'll drop a link 2468 01:59:43,699 --> 01:59:45,900 to that in the in the show notes 2469 01:59:46,605 --> 01:59:48,344 That's cool. 2470 01:59:48,694 --> 01:59:49,044 Yeah. 2471 01:59:49,724 --> 01:59:53,434 There's a lot of legacy stuff that we don't realize, like Windows is all 2472 01:59:53,494 --> 01:59:57,474 like that too, where there's a lot of legacy stuff that we don't think about. 2473 01:59:59,834 --> 02:00:00,134 Yeah. 2474 02:00:00,924 --> 02:00:01,454 Yeah. 2475 02:00:01,454 --> 02:00:04,085 And I mean, I think you'll have to tell us more about, uh, 2476 02:00:04,984 --> 02:00:06,654 what, what this next topic is. 2477 02:00:07,124 --> 02:00:11,564 Oh, this is one that I, I don't know if you guys saw anything on this, but the 2478 02:00:11,564 --> 02:00:14,724 last of us, they have like an experience room or something like that at CES. 2479 02:00:15,114 --> 02:00:19,249 Um, And I, I think it was, yeah, it was at C C S. 2480 02:00:19,249 --> 02:00:21,319 And I don't know how they're going to go about doing this. 2481 02:00:21,319 --> 02:00:24,649 Cause when I first heard about it, I thought this was going to 2482 02:00:24,649 --> 02:00:27,779 be like a, you get some, you could buy a home, but I think that's 2483 02:00:27,789 --> 02:00:29,379 just going to be, I don't know. 2484 02:00:29,699 --> 02:00:34,709 So essentially what I'm talking about is that they have a room where 2485 02:00:34,709 --> 02:00:39,749 you can go and experience in like a three dimensional, 3d dimensional 2486 02:00:39,749 --> 02:00:43,284 kind of like way, Um, the last of us. 2487 02:00:43,284 --> 02:00:47,874 So you, they have a very specific situation, um, where you have like 2488 02:00:47,874 --> 02:00:51,024 a gun, they get a hold and I think like a light and they have props and 2489 02:00:51,024 --> 02:00:55,684 stuff that you can pick stuff up, um, in this room and in this environment. 2490 02:00:56,174 --> 02:01:01,744 And then on top of it, they add in, um, like haptic feedback into like, I 2491 02:01:01,744 --> 02:01:05,824 think the suit, it's, it's been a little bit since like a couple of days, sound 2492 02:01:05,824 --> 02:01:07,834 effects, and then they even have sense. 2493 02:01:08,239 --> 02:01:12,579 To enhance the immersion, which I'm just like, I don't know if I want a clicker. 2494 02:01:13,979 --> 02:01:15,379 To, uh, I don't want to hear a click. 2495 02:01:15,409 --> 02:01:16,319 I already smell a clicker. 2496 02:01:16,319 --> 02:01:19,609 I don't want to smell these, but I'm not going to lie. 2497 02:01:19,619 --> 02:01:22,749 That would be very intense, especially in VR. 2498 02:01:23,569 --> 02:01:24,749 I don't even think this is VR. 2499 02:01:24,769 --> 02:01:28,619 I think this is like the rooms lit up and, uh, the whole, like they have 2500 02:01:28,619 --> 02:01:31,239 screens, I think on the, on the room. 2501 02:01:31,239 --> 02:01:35,279 I, I, I, I'd have to look at this, but the main reason I'm pointing 2502 02:01:35,279 --> 02:01:36,924 this out Yeah, this is right here. 2503 02:01:36,924 --> 02:01:39,214 The environment was created using large screens and led panels. 2504 02:01:39,984 --> 02:01:44,364 The re the biggest reason I'm pointing this out is that, um, that 2505 02:01:44,364 --> 02:01:46,214 scent thing just really got to me. 2506 02:01:47,034 --> 02:01:49,044 The PlayStation five scent thing. 2507 02:01:50,764 --> 02:01:51,444 Smell a vision. 2508 02:01:51,864 --> 02:01:53,534 Smell of, I don't, it's not PlayStation five. 2509 02:01:53,534 --> 02:01:57,514 Is that, that's, that's all you can get it for the PC, but there is a smell of 2510 02:01:57,514 --> 02:02:01,564 vision kind of thing that you can get, but it doesn't, I make, how would you make 2511 02:02:02,774 --> 02:02:04,814 Uh, how'd you make some of these smells? 2512 02:02:04,834 --> 02:02:08,534 It's, it's an interesting kind of step forward that I think is gonna be fun. 2513 02:02:09,184 --> 02:02:10,194 But, I don't know. 2514 02:02:10,644 --> 02:02:13,374 I think it'd be more fun as, like, an experienced room. 2515 02:02:13,604 --> 02:02:17,424 As opposed to, like, in my office, or Prepared to never see 2516 02:02:17,424 --> 02:02:19,684 any sewer levels in video games ever again. 2517 02:02:24,624 --> 02:02:25,684 Oh my god. 2518 02:02:26,924 --> 02:02:31,544 It'd be cool Imagine how like having one of these like rooms in your house 2519 02:02:31,724 --> 02:02:34,024 and having to reload the fart juice 2520 02:02:39,294 --> 02:02:45,224 Sorry The thing so you know how like escape rooms are a thing yeah, 2521 02:02:45,414 --> 02:02:49,404 yeah I'm I'm hoping that this is honestly this kind of makes me think 2522 02:02:49,404 --> 02:02:55,289 of like The earliest stages of, um, the holodeck in Star Trek, right? 2523 02:02:55,409 --> 02:02:55,689 Yeah. 2524 02:02:55,689 --> 02:03:00,189 Where, it, honestly, it would be fun to go to a place and kind of experience 2525 02:03:00,199 --> 02:03:01,939 something from a game that I love. 2526 02:03:02,569 --> 02:03:04,179 And so I'm here for this type of thing. 2527 02:03:04,419 --> 02:03:07,949 Uh, escape rooms are fun, but I think I'd have a lot more fun in this. 2528 02:03:08,649 --> 02:03:09,329 Yeah. 2529 02:03:09,779 --> 02:03:13,569 I mean, this seems, this, this seems super neat. 2530 02:03:13,579 --> 02:03:17,159 Like you were saying, it gave me, uh, the thoughts of, uh, 2531 02:03:17,199 --> 02:03:18,309 like a holodeck, you know? 2532 02:03:18,849 --> 02:03:19,219 Um. 2533 02:03:19,229 --> 02:03:19,309 Yeah. 2534 02:03:20,634 --> 02:03:21,504 I'm curious. 2535 02:03:21,814 --> 02:03:26,434 I would be interested in trying it out, even though The Last of Us, that 2536 02:03:26,444 --> 02:03:30,884 body horror stuff, I just can't, I can't deal with it, like, Um, but I 2537 02:03:30,884 --> 02:03:32,894 would still want to try it, you know? 2538 02:03:33,954 --> 02:03:36,904 Dude, imagine doing like, imagine having like, Smell O Vision and 2539 02:03:36,954 --> 02:03:38,894 Alex, dude, I would love that. 2540 02:03:39,784 --> 02:03:40,384 Would you though? 2541 02:03:40,424 --> 02:03:41,174 Deal with Jeff. 2542 02:03:41,414 --> 02:03:44,494 I would, I, if dude, if there was, if there, if you could get like a little, 2543 02:03:44,884 --> 02:03:50,359 uh, like, Scent projector for your VR headset, and you could play Half Life Alyx 2544 02:03:50,669 --> 02:03:53,879 with like, sense, like, smell immersion. 2545 02:03:54,359 --> 02:03:57,249 Because I, I, you, we always forget. 2546 02:03:57,279 --> 02:04:03,120 We always, like, forget about how important smells are for forming memories. 2547 02:04:03,639 --> 02:04:12,749 Uh, and, and if, dude, if you walked into, like, um, the, the, the implant, um, um, 2548 02:04:13,664 --> 02:04:16,604 Uh, the implanted, uh, what's his name? 2549 02:04:17,004 --> 02:04:17,874 You know what I'm talking about. 2550 02:04:18,194 --> 02:04:19,334 Yeah, uh. 2551 02:04:19,344 --> 02:04:19,614 If you 2552 02:04:19,614 --> 02:04:21,274 walked into his den, right? 2553 02:04:21,344 --> 02:04:21,714 Yeah. 2554 02:04:21,894 --> 02:04:27,084 And, and it's, it had like this, kind of, like, earthy smell, like, on the outside, 2555 02:04:27,084 --> 02:04:31,044 or kind of like stagnant water, and, and it just gave you this, like, sense of 2556 02:04:31,044 --> 02:04:32,651 like, Oh, shit, something smells weird. 2557 02:04:32,651 --> 02:04:35,844 But then you meet him, and then he had a distinct smell. 2558 02:04:36,114 --> 02:04:38,824 Like, dude, I would be totally down for that. 2559 02:04:39,484 --> 02:04:39,764 Yeah. 2560 02:04:40,624 --> 02:04:42,234 I, I, I would be too. 2561 02:04:42,324 --> 02:04:45,544 Like, if, if I can experience Half Life even more, I'm down for it. 2562 02:04:45,624 --> 02:04:46,974 Even if it's disgusting. 2563 02:04:47,434 --> 02:04:47,694 Yeah. 2564 02:04:47,744 --> 02:04:48,494 I'm down for it. 2565 02:04:48,824 --> 02:04:50,240 Like, there's sewer levels and 2566 02:04:50,240 --> 02:04:50,544 that. 2567 02:04:50,544 --> 02:04:51,014 Yeah, I know. 2568 02:04:51,024 --> 02:04:53,774 Walking through the sewers where there's all those body bags and shit. 2569 02:04:53,774 --> 02:04:54,604 Like, oh my god. 2570 02:04:55,904 --> 02:04:56,614 I'd be there for it. 2571 02:04:56,624 --> 02:04:58,204 I'd, I would totally play that. 2572 02:04:58,314 --> 02:05:01,074 I just don't, I see, I'd want to go to a place to do that. 2573 02:05:01,344 --> 02:05:06,514 Or have it be like a, like a Neuralink or like some type of VR headset 2574 02:05:06,514 --> 02:05:11,424 that, like, can Interface with you to a way that it can simulate scent. 2575 02:05:12,574 --> 02:05:12,764 I 2576 02:05:13,584 --> 02:05:14,754 definitely wouldn't want that in my house. 2577 02:05:14,754 --> 02:05:16,094 I don't think, yeah, 2578 02:05:16,184 --> 02:05:16,724 I don't know. 2579 02:05:16,744 --> 02:05:19,724 I don't know about the scent like thing to be honest, but like, imagine if you had 2580 02:05:19,724 --> 02:05:21,544 like a, like they mentioned a suit, right? 2581 02:05:21,544 --> 02:05:23,424 Where you could like feel things. 2582 02:05:23,424 --> 02:05:23,684 Right. 2583 02:05:24,354 --> 02:05:24,734 Imagine 2584 02:05:24,734 --> 02:05:27,824 if you had that, but then like, imagine if you had to play like a medieval 2585 02:05:27,824 --> 02:05:30,634 game where you're like a knight and then like your arm gets cut off, 2586 02:05:32,404 --> 02:05:33,964 that would be, that would be intense. 2587 02:05:34,544 --> 02:05:34,964 Hmm. 2588 02:05:36,354 --> 02:05:36,694 Yeah. 2589 02:05:36,694 --> 02:05:40,424 And they've had haptic feedback, like suits for a little bit, but 2590 02:05:40,434 --> 02:05:41,904 they're not greatly supported. 2591 02:05:41,905 --> 02:05:45,704 So this is, this is another thing. 2592 02:05:45,704 --> 02:05:46,924 Like this is a Sony thing. 2593 02:05:46,954 --> 02:05:48,624 So they're kind of innovating. 2594 02:05:48,654 --> 02:05:49,504 I think it'd be cool. 2595 02:05:49,504 --> 02:05:54,474 I don't know where they're going to go with this, but it's cool. 2596 02:05:54,474 --> 02:05:55,414 It's a proof of concept demo. 2597 02:05:55,414 --> 02:05:57,109 Of course, you never, you know, things never go wrong. 2598 02:05:57,499 --> 02:05:59,509 A lot of things don't come from proof of concepts. 2599 02:06:00,349 --> 02:06:02,089 Uh, but it'd be really cool to see. 2600 02:06:02,299 --> 02:06:03,499 Yeah, the whole haptic 2601 02:06:03,499 --> 02:06:06,049 suit thing kind of reminds me of, uh, a van Gelian. 2602 02:06:06,169 --> 02:06:07,459 You guys, you guys ever see a gelian? 2603 02:06:09,229 --> 02:06:12,709 So, uh, one of the main like things with the meccas there is that you have 2604 02:06:12,709 --> 02:06:15,649 to synchronize what the mecca, which means you essentially feel what the 2605 02:06:15,649 --> 02:06:21,109 MEC feels because, um, the MEC itself is like a bio mecca to be honest. 2606 02:06:21,559 --> 02:06:21,649 Hmm. 2607 02:06:21,889 --> 02:06:25,099 So essentially you, like, if you're a hundred percent synchronized, 2608 02:06:25,099 --> 02:06:26,389 do you feel what the MEC feels. 2609 02:06:26,919 --> 02:06:30,609 So, like, if the mech's arm gets ripped off, you feel, like, that 2610 02:06:30,609 --> 02:06:32,359 being, you feel that sensation. 2611 02:06:33,469 --> 02:06:36,969 And, like, some, some of the pilots in that show die because of that. 2612 02:06:36,979 --> 02:06:38,619 Cause, like, you know, shock. 2613 02:06:39,579 --> 02:06:42,089 And I think it's, yeah, it's intense. 2614 02:06:42,089 --> 02:06:46,019 And, like, I think one of the movies, uh, one of the girls, Asuka, gets, 2615 02:06:46,299 --> 02:06:50,649 is like 300 percent synchronized with the Ava, with, like, her Ava. 2616 02:06:50,650 --> 02:06:50,824 Uh. 2617 02:06:51,154 --> 02:06:54,674 And then, like, a spear, like, goes through her hand, and it 2618 02:06:54,694 --> 02:06:55,934 splits, like, the hand in half. 2619 02:06:56,154 --> 02:06:58,984 It's really gory, but, like, it splits her hand in half, 2620 02:06:58,984 --> 02:07:00,454 too, with her arm in half, too. 2621 02:07:00,584 --> 02:07:01,574 It's insane. 2622 02:07:02,954 --> 02:07:04,584 You're not selling me on this experience. 2623 02:07:04,584 --> 02:07:08,729 I don't know if I want to have to play that game. 2624 02:07:08,729 --> 02:07:09,494 True. 2625 02:07:09,494 --> 02:07:10,260 No. 2626 02:07:10,260 --> 02:07:15,784 It's, it'll be interesting to see where we innovate away from, like, I think 2627 02:07:15,794 --> 02:07:19,539 graphics cards, like we talked about earlier, where, like, They're gonna, 2628 02:07:19,549 --> 02:07:22,189 they're finding, they're trying to find ways, obviously you can tell, like, 2629 02:07:22,189 --> 02:07:26,779 they're limiting certain things to be able to release new hardware every few years. 2630 02:07:26,780 --> 02:07:31,939 And, DLSS is, I think, is just one way of answering, like, we don't 2631 02:07:31,949 --> 02:07:33,099 have an answer for you quite yet. 2632 02:07:33,099 --> 02:07:36,859 We, it's super expensive to increase the core counts and all that. 2633 02:07:36,860 --> 02:07:43,639 But, I, I think, yeah, it, it, this is just another way is, oh, I can 2634 02:07:43,639 --> 02:07:45,099 play this in a very different way. 2635 02:07:46,084 --> 02:07:50,814 way, a game in a very different way and being innovative is I'm here for it. 2636 02:07:50,814 --> 02:07:52,694 It has not done very well in the past. 2637 02:07:53,024 --> 02:07:58,764 And VR is still one that like a lot of people don't care for, but I'm hoping 2638 02:07:58,764 --> 02:08:02,184 that this continues to be the case that we keep on seeing a new innovations 2639 02:08:02,204 --> 02:08:06,094 because I just don't want it to be stagnant for the rest of our lives. 2640 02:08:06,094 --> 02:08:07,044 That'd be, that'd suck. 2641 02:08:08,044 --> 02:08:08,414 Yeah. 2642 02:08:08,524 --> 02:08:11,554 I think there's one thing that X Box could T could do. 2643 02:08:12,414 --> 02:08:17,194 And that's implement gyro on the controllers because like a lot of games 2644 02:08:17,934 --> 02:08:22,634 don't have gyro because like xbox the xbox controller at this point is like the 2645 02:08:22,634 --> 02:08:27,394 lowest common denominator and there's and it just doesn't have gyro functionality 2646 02:08:27,394 --> 02:08:32,254 and like a lot of fps's would benefit from that but they don't because like 2647 02:08:32,255 --> 02:08:33,469 you 2648 02:08:33,469 --> 02:08:37,444 know like imagine if they made a new xbox controller with gyro and they 2649 02:08:37,454 --> 02:08:41,999 implemented that as part of like x input And then all of a sudden 2650 02:08:41,999 --> 02:08:46,119 games got official gyro support on pc now like wouldn't that be awesome 2651 02:08:47,499 --> 02:08:48,549 Yeah, yeah. 2652 02:08:49,029 --> 02:08:49,969 No, it'd be great 2653 02:08:52,219 --> 02:09:00,909 Um, there's a there's a video about that actually, uh about like how the uh Uh, oh 2654 02:09:00,910 --> 02:09:06,389 my god the xbox controller is like holding back controllers in general, uh, it's 2655 02:09:06,389 --> 02:09:08,219 by narrow have you guys heard of narrow 2656 02:09:09,979 --> 02:09:11,299 I can't say I have, no. 2657 02:09:11,349 --> 02:09:14,059 Aw man, you're in for some good stuff, man. 2658 02:09:14,129 --> 02:09:18,749 Uh, Nero has, uh, he's got a couple million followers. 2659 02:09:19,039 --> 02:09:24,269 Or a couple This one video is about the Steam Controller and how Gyro Controls 2660 02:09:24,329 --> 02:09:26,169 on the Steam Controller is amazing. 2661 02:09:26,759 --> 02:09:32,119 And how, uh, Xbox is holding it all back because And how Nintendo did 2662 02:09:32,119 --> 02:09:36,779 a disservice to Gyro Controls with the Wii U and their waggle bullshit. 2663 02:09:37,259 --> 02:09:39,849 Um, but yeah, it's a really, really great video. 2664 02:09:40,369 --> 02:09:44,469 Um, and he talks about emulation and stuff too, but I'll put that in the show notes. 2665 02:09:45,029 --> 02:09:50,009 And that'll be on the, uh On the, on the podcast, as well. 2666 02:09:50,149 --> 02:09:51,289 Oh yeah, for sure. 2667 02:09:52,189 --> 02:09:53,459 I'll have to watch this on my own time. 2668 02:09:53,799 --> 02:09:54,409 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 2669 02:09:55,749 --> 02:10:00,499 Cool, well, Uh, I think that's probably everything that we 2670 02:10:00,499 --> 02:10:02,179 wanted to talk about today, right? 2671 02:10:02,809 --> 02:10:05,499 Yeah, I can't, yeah, I can't think of much else there is. 2672 02:10:06,139 --> 02:10:06,519 Yeah. 2673 02:10:07,069 --> 02:10:11,009 Um, thank you guys for listening, and thank you guys for being here. 2674 02:10:11,629 --> 02:10:14,839 Uh, we, uh, we always enjoy doing this. 2675 02:10:15,264 --> 02:10:18,144 I never get to talk about this stuff with people in real life because everybody 2676 02:10:18,144 --> 02:10:20,624 I know is like old or not interested. 2677 02:10:21,444 --> 02:10:22,724 True that, true that. 2678 02:10:23,064 --> 02:10:25,614 Yeah, so it's good to connect. 2679 02:10:25,615 --> 02:10:30,334 It's great to connect and chat about this stuff, especially with people 2680 02:10:30,334 --> 02:10:31,584 that are very passionate about it. 2681 02:10:31,654 --> 02:10:35,454 Because I get to talk to people about it, but not people that are 2682 02:10:35,454 --> 02:10:36,084 passionate. 2683 02:10:36,284 --> 02:10:38,394 Speak of the devil, it looks like someone put out an article. 2684 02:10:38,824 --> 02:10:43,354 With SteamOS expanded beyond the Steam Deck, is it game over for Bazite? 2685 02:10:43,394 --> 02:10:45,454 Let's see, let's see what this article says. 2686 02:10:46,214 --> 02:10:48,034 Let's see, the feature, 2687 02:10:48,774 --> 02:10:51,254 Bazite, I think we can say what the article is going to say. 2688 02:10:51,624 --> 02:10:52,894 I don't think it's game over. 2689 02:10:53,094 --> 02:10:54,314 No, definitely not. 2690 02:10:55,145 --> 02:10:55,455 Yep. 2691 02:10:55,464 --> 02:10:56,984 Like we talked about Desktop. 2692 02:10:59,114 --> 02:11:01,934 I think, like Desktop is still like a big thing that they're 2693 02:11:01,934 --> 02:11:03,274 not going to support very well. 2694 02:11:04,904 --> 02:11:08,089 Yeah, like, I mean, to be honest, If you want the, if you want the 2695 02:11:08,089 --> 02:11:11,479 Linux desktop experience, you should just, you can install one of the 2696 02:11:11,479 --> 02:11:17,009 big ones like Ubuntu or, uh, some people look shy away from Manjaro. 2697 02:11:17,009 --> 02:11:19,109 I'm not entirely sure why, to be honest. 2698 02:11:19,469 --> 02:11:20,779 Maybe, maybe that's I like, 2699 02:11:21,339 --> 02:11:22,839 I like Manjaro a lot. 2700 02:11:22,899 --> 02:11:27,299 I think that if you want to go with an Arch based system with a traditional 2701 02:11:27,299 --> 02:11:32,019 package manager, then Arch is, uh, then Manjaro is probably the best one to go 2702 02:11:32,019 --> 02:11:33,829 with if you don't want to set up Arch. 2703 02:11:34,419 --> 02:11:39,509 Um, I personally, I'm using Fedora now on my, uh, on my setup here. 2704 02:11:39,959 --> 02:11:44,319 Um, it's a little jank right now because I, I have the open source and 2705 02:11:44,319 --> 02:11:49,129 video drivers and I have a 3080, but, uh, I mean, it's still pretty nice. 2706 02:11:49,149 --> 02:11:50,189 It's still pretty nice. 2707 02:11:50,229 --> 02:11:54,609 I like, uh, I'm, I'm even editing all of my videos on, on Fedora, 2708 02:11:54,679 --> 02:11:55,809 which I'm pretty happy about. 2709 02:11:56,199 --> 02:11:59,339 Um, that's something I'm going to make a video about my Linux 2710 02:11:59,359 --> 02:12:00,679 production workflow pretty soon. 2711 02:12:00,689 --> 02:12:01,019 So 2712 02:12:02,339 --> 02:12:03,789 yeah, very nice. 2713 02:12:04,529 --> 02:12:04,999 Um, 2714 02:12:05,709 --> 02:12:06,189 Yeah. 2715 02:12:06,649 --> 02:12:13,219 So I see whatever the majority is going to use or like is no, like knows about 2716 02:12:13,249 --> 02:12:14,289 is what they're going to end up using. 2717 02:12:14,299 --> 02:12:19,159 So bad as I could still be like, some people might start using a little 2718 02:12:19,159 --> 02:12:20,499 bit because they know it's steam. 2719 02:12:20,539 --> 02:12:28,529 Oh, as adjacent, but steam was probably eventually will become a big desktop. 2720 02:12:29,019 --> 02:12:34,474 Um, version potentially if valve chooses to go that route, because If you want 2721 02:12:34,474 --> 02:12:38,694 to get people to game on Linux more, you gotta make it easier for them to 2722 02:12:38,694 --> 02:12:40,974 do that, and that's, that's, that's it. 2723 02:12:40,974 --> 02:12:43,244 Yeah, well, this is, this is what's gonna happen, right? 2724 02:12:43,304 --> 02:12:45,954 Like, if you go on the Steam hardware survey right now, 2725 02:12:46,764 --> 02:12:48,234 Bazlite doesn't even show up. 2726 02:12:48,529 --> 02:12:48,949 Right? 2727 02:12:49,049 --> 02:12:50,519 Like, Bazlite's not there. 2728 02:12:50,519 --> 02:12:52,859 I mean, it's in the other category, right? 2729 02:12:52,879 --> 02:12:55,539 Alongside Chimera and like a bunch of other things. 2730 02:12:55,569 --> 02:12:59,959 So, Bazlite is very niche in the Linux world, which is also very niche itself. 2731 02:13:00,289 --> 02:13:04,939 And the biggest thing that's caught, that's driving Linux adoption in desktop 2732 02:13:04,940 --> 02:13:07,079 computing right now is the Steam Deck. 2733 02:13:07,319 --> 02:13:12,429 And when SteamOS hits, SteamOS is going to be the dominant, uh, SteamOS 2734 02:13:13,324 --> 02:13:18,684 Desktop operating system point blank like not even Ubuntu or Manjaro or 2735 02:13:18,684 --> 02:13:23,769 anything can keep up with The growth, the explosive, amazing growth of Steam oes. 2736 02:13:24,069 --> 02:13:29,919 So the, the question is, are these, is Steams becoming dominant, going to make 2737 02:13:29,919 --> 02:13:32,199 all these other distros irrelevant? 2738 02:13:32,499 --> 02:13:35,619 Of course not, because you know, they're still going to have their passionate 2739 02:13:36,009 --> 02:13:41,169 fans and people like me and like some of us, I don't know, high tech. 2740 02:13:41,169 --> 02:13:43,989 Are you, uh, running Linux right now on your desktop? 2741 02:13:44,499 --> 02:13:47,049 No, and that's entirely due to laziness. 2742 02:13:47,369 --> 02:13:51,109 Right, but that's the thing, it's like, people like me are going 2743 02:13:51,109 --> 02:13:57,309 to still be having fun distro hopping and enjoying running Linux. 2744 02:13:57,629 --> 02:14:01,739 And because of that, I'm just not going to be, uh, probably I'm not going 2745 02:14:01,739 --> 02:14:03,759 to have SteamOS on my primary rig. 2746 02:14:04,179 --> 02:14:04,499 Um. 2747 02:14:05,364 --> 02:14:06,854 Yeah, I probably won't either. 2748 02:14:06,974 --> 02:14:09,184 But you will have it on your living room machine, right? 2749 02:14:09,684 --> 02:14:10,884 Oh, yeah, yeah, of course. 2750 02:14:10,894 --> 02:14:16,104 I mean, I'm gonna probably switch between, uh, there's tons of, um, there's tons of 2751 02:14:16,104 --> 02:14:21,074 reasons to, to switch between SteamOS and Chimera and Bazlite and just, and, and 2752 02:14:21,074 --> 02:14:25,654 Nobara and a bunch of other Linux gaming distros, so, uh, I'll be doing that. 2753 02:14:26,224 --> 02:14:29,424 Mostly for my own enjoyment and maybe for some videos. 2754 02:14:30,064 --> 02:14:30,374 Yeah. 2755 02:14:30,375 --> 02:14:30,734 Yeah. 2756 02:14:30,734 --> 02:14:31,384 Yeah. 2757 02:14:33,334 --> 02:14:35,864 Yeah, I don't think there's much else to talk. 2758 02:14:35,904 --> 02:14:41,394 I don't think there's much else, uh, in terms of, uh, any important 2759 02:14:41,404 --> 02:14:42,684 news that just came up just now. 2760 02:14:42,694 --> 02:14:44,214 I don't, like, I don't see anything. 2761 02:14:44,215 --> 02:14:45,792 I see we 2762 02:14:45,792 --> 02:14:48,804 have Yeah, I think anything that pops up from here on out 2763 02:14:48,805 --> 02:14:50,564 we can discuss next episode. 2764 02:14:50,824 --> 02:14:53,424 That's why you gotta subscribe so that you don't miss out. 2765 02:14:53,774 --> 02:14:57,504 Absolutely and follow us over on uh on our podcast too. 2766 02:14:57,514 --> 02:15:02,074 You can use any app you want we have uh, we're on iTunes apple 2767 02:15:02,074 --> 02:15:04,044 music Or no, wait, what is it? 2768 02:15:04,074 --> 02:15:05,414 What's the other one spotify? 2769 02:15:05,634 --> 02:15:08,634 We're on we're on all of them so you can get us wherever you get your 2770 02:15:08,634 --> 02:15:13,774 podcasts from Uh, or you can subscribe here on youtube if you're watching 2771 02:15:13,774 --> 02:15:17,924 anyway, but yeah, that's gonna do it for now Thank you all for joining us 2772 02:15:17,984 --> 02:15:22,104 and thank you rich for being here and we'll see you guys in the next episode 2773 02:15:23,269 --> 02:15:24,419 Alright, see you guys later