Is it really ethical for teenagers to be
dating a eyes because you know, I get it
That's very different from say teenage
dating adult like they shouldn't be doing
But at the same time though if an AI is
just an average of a lot of adults
Quero contributing content then an AI is
basing a different like an adult. That's
grooming you right? That is an
interesting perspective
Yeah is grooming our youth. That's a
really good title actually. Yeah, and as
someone that is data
I mean, sorry you talk
to plenty of AI stuff
We did it on Street
like on we you know, I I
Rizzed up some you know more person. He's
okay. Well, we don't have to say his
name, but yeah, okay
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Damn so this week we're covering the
biggest news including
I don't know if this is the biggest news
because we get this
what three times a year
But the steam next fest has a bunch of
new demos a lot of good new
indie games are coming out
We also have a new record with steams
Concurrent users and so we're gonna go
over that they're just gonna continue
breaking that every year
I have some news and we also have some
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It is it's an interesting device
very
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Low
Yeah, what's up?
What have you been playing high-tech
because I'm gonna ask you especially
specifically because
The next fest this week and it sounds
like you've been playing a lot
Yeah, because I have been playing quite a
few obviously the demos I've linked here
are not all of the demos. I've tried
Some of the demos I've tried were not
super interesting, but these are the most
interesting ones. I've tried out
So I had to drop all of
my games do the next fest
But yes the next fest
Lots of demos and there are some things I
really want to rant about
when we get to the actual
Topic at hand. What was that?
That's my dog
He's stretching don't mind him it sounded
like someone's like oh, yeah
He does a little like low
growl when he's stretching
But yeah, basically there's a lot of
there's a lot of good in the next fest
and also some things I've started notice
Be right back. Oh,
yeah, that's a dog for sure
Well while James is gone though
What have you been playing gardener? What
have I dude? I have been
working like non-stop. It's been
It's been crazy. I have a new client that
I'm doing a seat super secret project for
And I'm excited about it, but I don't
think it's gonna be interesting to
anybody on the podcast,
but it's it's cool. It's a
The local Chamber of
Commerce. I'll just say that
So and this is the problem is like I
Started my YouTube channel because I was
like man. I'm working so much
I don't get to play games
as much as I should you know
I started my channel to do that and then
you know now I'm back to
You know I'm working so much
I don't get to play games and a lot of it
is because of my channel like I have to
get so much work done
Yeah, I feel you on that
one I started my channel
Technically like the games revealed was
originally a podcast and
I'd play games with someone
to other people and we talked about it
and we had to play
games every week and so it
kind of went away from that to
a fan girling about the
steam deck and bunch other stuff
Dude, I don't know why I started my
channel. I did it cuz I was bored
And hated yourself
And it alleviates my boredom sometimes
So there's that too I?
Don't know kind of a shallow reason to
start a YouTube channel no
great reason
What about you James Gardner whenever
what he has not been playing this week?
So I kind of
Doing a little bit of the same I have a
topic and I'll talk
about some of the stuff
I've been playing in that
top in the Xbox LAX stuff
but beyond that I
Man what have I been playing I?
Have a couple of games. I'm I want to
play for the Halloween season
I just haven't gotten into them yet
because I had to play everything else.
I've played before on
The LAX like Witcher 3
A bunch of other games on there that I'll
talk about once we get there how many of
those games are dead space games
I'm wearing this hat because I'm mourning
What the Xbox LA could have been it was
black not because it's dead space
But yes, I did try a dead space on there,
and it did not run as
well as I was hoping it would
But yes, and I think it's a dead space
partially a devil
partially a dead space issue
But we can you can talk
about that when we get that topic
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No, I don't know. I'm doing
a how to segue into this but
So someone needs to talk about the steam
next fest and that is high tech you
are the go-to person that
comes to steam next fest I
Really do like a lot of the stuff that
that comes out and I do like indie
Titles, but I'm so overwhelmed all the
time by the next the steam next fest
and I've complained about a little bit
before or even like the
recommended
Games don't seem quite right and I have
to sift through some of the other games
to get stuff that I like
And I and I did do that and I just didn't
play them in time for this fair enough
Let's go through what the next fest
really is so as you know, it's a
celebration of upcoming
games Valzone where it's not mine
featuring demos from all sorts of
different developers and
If you scroll down, let's look at what
they recommend you James. I'm curious
Okay
Just
Making sure okay for you did
my yeah, okay. I'm logged in
So there's this Casey
Is she like a leopard or she a witch
she's a witch I know I know
She must been wearing this makeup all day
because it is coming off or something
But yeah, maybe it was intentionally
crappy. Yeah, it was probably
intentionally crappy.
It definitely caught me
So scroll down
This is this is one we've talked about
before it's actually one
that looks really interested
I think we know I've talked about it on
one of my streams. Sorry the
It's like Creasal or something like that
theater of idols. It does
look like a really fun horror
game that's based on blood
And I think as you kill enemies you
harvest their blood and get stronger
I don't think you're a vampire in this
but it is definitely one that I
Download the demo. I do want to play it
This is probably the game I'm most
excited for as it has that horror aspect
that I love so it's giving me like
Almost blood was sharks. Yes
getting bio shock vibes from it
Like that that monster coming at you.
Yeah, that's definitely bio shock
But all the whole blood aesthetic
There's definitely a
blood board thing. Yeah
it's kind of like a mixture of a little
bit and how they hold the the weapons how
they look at it how they look at
some of the
Potential of powers kind of makes me
think of bio shock
though. Also. Yeah, so misery
Don't know what this is. I have zero
interest in it. I don't I that's my
Here's the problem
too with like these game
I
recommendations recommendations, but also
like the artwork that they
showcase like the show the
the images
They just never catch me to like cuz I
just I don't and they're not that bad for
an indie stuff for like indie
game images showcase whatever
They're called. I just
Nothing catches me too much. I mean
there's slice quite a bit
actually I tried out that demo
I
think
Yeah, so this was what's it about I have
so bait I'm not sure what the story is
actually about to be honest
But you're just you're just exploring the
world. You're killing robots. There's
also a lot of parkour aspects, too
It looks like the Prince of Persia almost
but like to me. It looks like shadow the
Colossus meets control
Yeah
So that Tonkin truck that you like crawl
under that's the bossy
fight the demo and yeah
You do a lot of shadow
of Colossus style like
Platforming and like climbing up to like
kill the boss, so it's pretty cool. You
should definitely try it
out. Yeah, that looks neat
Yeah, that was actually
one of the games. I have
That linked earlier, but let's go over
the charts and see what
the top charts looking
top charts
At the top you see like a charts, so
See trending upcoming popular upcoming.
Let's do popular upcoming
Or top demos, I don't know which ones
actually better see half
Similar I downloaded this I haven't tried
it yet. It was whatever it was scroll
down till we see something interesting
I do like that you can hover over and get
like the trailer starting. Yeah, when did
they add that feature in?
I think that was like
A while ago to be honest,
huh? I do not remember it
Here's a might magic
Olden era there's
definitely not an indie one, but yeah
Yeah, sometimes they have triple-a
developers that participate.
It's not just like something
No, I more than happy if triple-a wants
to as long as it doesn't overshadow indie
Heroes of my magic definitely always
feels a little India's to me
They've been around for decades what they
should do is make a sequel to the dark
messiah of might and magic
Or am I thinking of something else? I?
Don't know it very well. I just know that
they've made a million different versions
of Heroes of my magic
Final sentence demo
The price of a mistake dude, okay, I have
to go into this one the final sentence is
about it's a battle royale game
Where you have to type?
Your monkey on a
typewriter that's hilarious
Well, you're not literally a monkey
but yeah
See but
You know what I'm down for this type of
battle royale, yeah, so what
what's your words per minute?
Mine. Yeah, I'm not that good
What about you gardener?
I'm sorry. What when's the last time you
tested out your typing speed? Oh
Years ago. It was like 80 or something
Why I
Just want to load over my hundred plus
word for minute speed
Yeah, are you like a home row typer like
do you stick with the home row?
No, I never before
only learned how to type
Yeah, I didn't either
Typing class but I can type fast and a
lot of mistakes before I can type
correctly and I do not
Yeah, I haven't taken a typing like
testing a long time because
I yeah. Yeah, I don't care
How fast can I type without making a
mistake and that's pretty slow especially
with programming. It's all good, man
Well, you still have to you
know, stop the read the code
She never vibe coded anything and not
preview it. Oh, so
this looks like Minecraft
Everwind demo. Yes it I want me to look
into this or into these
let's scroll down some more
We animal actually was another one that I
downloaded that looked interesting
because you know has that horror aspect
to it, especially for this
season is it
Kind of a little little it kind of looks
like little nightmares. It
looks like little nightmares
But in as a third person
Almost or at least it's not so little
nightmares is almost always
side-scrolling
This one looks like it's full 3d world
interesting
Minute walkers is also when I downloaded
I haven't tried it out yet though, but
it's an extraction shooter
Extraction shooters are always
interesting, but they're so committal and
so I have a hard time committing to it
Speaking of extraction
shooters. I also tried out the
the Arc Raiders
Public beta that they have going on the
slam beta or whatever. It's pretty sick
I've heard really good things about Arc
Raiders, but it's not part of the next
fest, but it's going on at the same time
It's going on for this weekend only. So
yeah, I figured why not
Yep. All right. So
Let's go on and see if there's any more
that just like keeps scrolling past
everything till we find something. I
Mean all the stuff I highlighted was
interesting. Yeah, they're all it's all
just run the boss. Doc
is hey, there's a game
Sheep raccoon is that like ultimate
chicken horse by the same devs? Oh
Click on and see
Do you know what the dev name is cuz I'm
not super with that ultimate
chicken horse is really fun
It's like it's just a kind of a griefing
your friends game. I love griefing people
It
Looks it looks very similar. So it's the
same. It's the same developer. I just
nice. I'm gonna get that done
Oh, it doesn't hold up my it's not
sharing. Hold up. Oh
It's not sharing the screen properly I
chose tab not window
I'm not trying to make it difficult. No,
I actually made it really
easy to merge a bunch of these
Screen chairs ultimate chicken horse.
Yes, it is made by the
same people. Yeah, I see
Hey, there's a there's two demos in that
last page. I played actually you go back
to the other tab
So the first one there is road to Vostok
it's
Kind of like an extraction shooter, but
like PvE almost I want to say it's a
survival. It's like a
really hardcore like
Survival like sim so to speak is it as an
extraction shooter though, or
is it an extraction shooter?
I think it is just survival
Mm-hmm. I just said extraction shooter
because you lose everything I think I
feel I feel like I've
played an early version of this
Yeah, they they've had demos before but
this is the final demo
before early access launches and
The other game I tried on here was a
union rhythm psychosis
union suits
It's
Dude it's a it's a rhythm game. It's
race. It's really hilarious. Oh
Rhythm games are pretty fun. Yeah, it's
got a lot of the like otaku
jam from like the mid-2000s
I've definitely heard I've been deep in
this rabbit hole for quite
some time. It's hilarious
So if you scroll down
Painkillers are like are they
Redoing it like are they read
Nice doing the whole series fast-paced
co-op action. Yeah, have
you ever played painkiller?
Like there's like
multiple like the first one
Yeah
Pinkular one and there's a couple other
ones because they they kept on remaking
them in different
ways. It was kind of weird
Yeah, a little
interesting that they're just
Re-re-doing the whole brand just called
as a pink killer instead of just like
pinky little three or something
But oh, it's a fun blast it's doom esque
where it's very bloody
it's very action-packed you
It's a arena style typically where it
locks down in the area and you have to
defeat all the enemies
It's it's really does it still have that
steak gun where like you shoot like a
giant rod like a steak at enemies and it
Sticks them to walls. I'm hoping so like
it wouldn't be a painkiller without it
I honestly this has got me kind of
interested it what I was gonna play it,
but I'm like it's gonna come out
I'll just wait and see
Cuz I know what painkiller I beat you
look at it that looks like painkiller.
It's just modernized
Yeah, any more games
I feel like we're gonna hit any of the
games. I tried until oh, it's lots of
daggers is one I tried actually
So
How much so the idea is like the
blotchification of classic gambling games
Hmm no
Well, this is that
Slots but instead of like trying to hit
an arbitrary point threshold
You instead are fighting against enemies
and you're like little slot symbols
represents the your
three actions you can take
In a turn it looks cool. Honestly, it
looks really
interesting. It's not quite my style
My only gambling I like to do is on the
stock market. Oh, well
I have a game for that called insider
trading that I made you see it
No, I have not seen it yet, but maybe I
should do that play that one hell. Hell
mark. Oh my oh my oh my
See I play a game like
this I love be level like
Horror movies, but I also
like be level horror games
They feel like be level horror games.
Have you tried welcome to doll town?
No, but I've seen it. It's I can't tell
if it's like a actual like sincere horror
game or if it's a massive shitpost. Oh
Look, it's anime.
Have you played this one?
Roodle dude, I played a
bunch of anime games, too
I have played this one and I spent most
of my time trying to
optimize my build. It's stupid. Oh
How does it look awesome yeah, it looks
like a vampire survivor
Okay, so typically I have a like a severe
aversion to vampire survivors likes cuz
most of them kind of suck to be honest
I mean, there's a couple really good
ones. But yeah, I'm very much also don't
care about them
unless it has a good theme
This one's based on the divine comedy if
you guys have ever
read that by Dante Algieri
Algieri which which manga
is that one? I'm just kidding
Featuring Dante from I'm sorry. This is
really funny to hear
Dante's a photo kind of
stuff mixed with anime. But yeah
It's more common you think oh
It's common. It definitely is very
common. It's just funny didn't yeah, then
EA also make it
Dante's in front of a game
Yes, that's also I think they literally
called it like done. I
don't know. Yeah, but
Whatever. So one thing I really dislike
about there being so many vampire
survivors like Cindy's next fests
Aside from how made not give an exception
of that is that most of them a suck and
be most of them occupy like three
Genres that I actually enjoy playing
Bullet hell shoot them ups and beat them
ups despite them not
really being I any of those
besides me bullet hell
Cuz like you know what a shmupp is right?
No, so like like looking
like right in nor like oh
Schmuck yeah a shmupp a shmupp. I don't
know what a shmupp is like a shmupp. Oh
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and you guys don't want
to beat them up is right like final fight
Dragon it in these vampires are I was
like start like none of those things
And it really pisses me off because if
you look up beat them up in the next fest
This shows 40 results last I checked
But only but only like to act there's
only like one actual beat them up in
there and that's Marvel cosmic invasion
Which obviously I didn't really like the
devil for to be honest hot take
You might be evolving out of the genre
You might not be out of the genre. They
just might need to
accept it if there's 40 need
No, there's not
Survivors likes that have invaded my
genre you're getting
left behind. I'm sorry
It's okay same things happening to me
No
Hey, we did not put it in here, but
dead space is most like the original
creator or at least the
code there's two creators, but
the creator that did
At least a protocol which I actually
liked the game but a lot of people didn't
He is trying is looking for funding to
buy from EA the dead space IP and
especially since it's being acquired
There's a good chance you could do it if
you get enough funding so we could and
he's talking about doing a dead space for
Game so for dead space fans. That's a
really good really good. They got a
retcon dead space 3 I
What they'll probably what people want is
to do their dead space to remake and then
from dead space 3 to or to to re kind of
Do the flow of the story to help kind of
reboot the franchise
It's kind of what dead space 1 was the
start of because they kind of put
themselves in a corner on top of it like
dead space 3 was
heavily directed by sea level exec so
Yeah, we don't want that
type of stuff, but yeah
I just want good news for anyone that
likes dead space or good horror games
Action horror like it's and
Hopefully you can pull that IP away from
EA so I don't have to feel as guilty if
they did come out the dead space in
the future of
supporting me
Saudi Arabian Dead Space for
Oh my gosh
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Sorry
but I don't
honestly, there are
quite a few demos that I
Didn't like that. I tried out and
something just didn't run on
Steam Deck very well or at all
Oh, did you play these all
on Steam Deck? Yes, but yes
So that's insider trading. That's the
game I mentioned earlier
It's like Bellotto, but if it were
instead of being a casino
game, it's stock trading
um
Why do this when I have the real thing
Why can't you just do
both at the same time?
because I
Just need a little fix and then I can
play my other games. No, I agree like
this looks interesting
This looks more
interesting to me than Bellotto, but
Is it gonna educate me so I'm a better
gambler? I mean, sorry investor
No
It's not what?
Because it's basically the principle is
just buy low the seed by
low sell high. It's like
basically
The only yeah matters to be honest, it's
not educational they
need to make an educational
gambling investment game
Stock trade
Well, they're gonna make a book about
stock market trading for like
five-year-olds like a picture book
You should do that
No, I'm not did I am NOT that good at I
just know like I studied the companies
I want to invest in and I invest in those
and it's worked out
really well. But yes, uh
Any more demos you want to look at?
Maybe not right now. I have a video up
have two videos about the next fest. So I
have some recommendations
Promoting your video
You can select your videos yeah, no good
go watch this video on all the all the
other good
recommended games like honestly
it's a
It's probably it's worth it that people
like you distill it down high tech
Now I create a second.
Yeah, to be honest though
I used to make like hour-long videos on
like the next fest or
three videos. Well, yeah
I feel like I haven't done
my due diligence this week
Too busy with a lot of other things you
got to pick a cut like 10
20 that's good. That's plenty
Yeah, I don't know how many yeah
but
Yeah, we got to know what's good. What's
not because it takes a
lot of work to install
Play them and everything
You know, it's good though steam
Steam steam is like good steam likes
breaking records. Mmm
Or at least developers on steam like to
break records what record
was broken this time high-tech
concurrent user records
So as you know, I think
sometime last year valve
Hit a record 35 million concurrent users
35 million users on steam all at once now
41. Oh, this is all at once. This is not
like specific to a game
Yes, so of course there are some
There are some thoughts on
What could be breaking this
record first and foremost?
Battlefield 6 came out sometime this week
And it's been doing really well
Another game that's been doing pretty
well that they didn't really
mention that much is Arc Raiders
which came out which the
slam
Public slam test came out like yesterday
and I think this was this
was also written yesterday
This PC gamer article
look at mark Raiders
It's arc with a C. Yeah
It's being made by the guys that made the
finals which I think the finals is really
good and they're all full
of like ex-dice employees. Oh
That's right, that's right like the yeah,
this is a stacked company
our dev dev studio that is
it looks interesting a fall
of them for a few years, but
I'm just waiting for the the chance to
jump into it and I
just haven't done it yet
Well, well our creators or the finals
Our creators
Well, now's your best chance because it's
free to play for the weekend
free to try
Does look interesting
Have so much other stuff. Oh, I love that
The giant like spider tank.
Yeah, I love big environmental
objects when you're I
Can't remember. Is this a book? What kind
of game is this again extraction shooter?
So extraction sure.
That's right. That's right
Yeah, and I'm hearing really good things
that this will probably be the best
extraction shooter on Steam
It doesn't like it's
not like it has a huge
List of contenders though right now
I mean marathon was gonna be one but then
it turns up marathon stole art and then
they started color was
Was it gonna actually be one though?
well
Until people realized they didn't really
like the gameplay and then they found the
plagiarism if you remember they started
on the game art Raiders
Be so people are actually playing this
and actually saying that it is like
there's like you could like
until you can play the game
On Steam you can't say
it's gonna be like the biggest
whatever yeah will but
Yeah marathon
Bungie will they recover from that?
That's the real question
It seems like their cash cow right now
destiny twos and dire straits, but that's
not a time every cash
cow will eventually die
You milk that thing dry, especially if
you don't feed it well
Yeah, just the world of businessman
Yep
So yeah steam big records
So my question is this is this is the
biggest record. This is
steam's biggest record
Are there other platforms that have more?
like like
online concurrent like
PlayStation or Xbox or
anything or even Nintendo
Adopt Nintendo. Yeah, I don't think
Nintendo probably one dummy not Xbox
either. So yeah, really
probably only PlayStation
Yeah, cuz like we don't
know like the absolute
monthly active user base of
steam, but like I have a a
I've like compiled the steam hardware
survey results which are like relative
numbers and I've like kind of
Extrapolated or at least tried to
extrapolate my oh my god. Sorry
It's the weekly
train. Yeah every Saturday
I've tried to extrapolate what I think is
the active user base of steam and
I
suspect there's something like
100 million
monthly active users on steam and
That would mean that like if I can't do
math in my head, but like
what would that be if it's?
300 million active users and 41 million
are concurrently online.
What percentage would that be?
It's like a six or something like that or
a little lower and so I think that's a
reasonable amount. Don't you think?
That's a lot. Oh really?
Like 41 million concurrent is a lot like
doing once like at one point
1.6 of your average is a lot
because that is
People play games like especially when
you're including all
300 million. Let's say
They're in different time zones. They're
throughout the world. There's like it
overlaps throughout a
24-hour period. So having
1 6 that one time is crazy
Yeah, so does do you think my my
projection is accurate or inaccurate?
No, I did it sounds like
it's within the realm it
So if that number is accurate, right then
that would mean based on the percentages
we see on steam that there are
10 million
900 steam deck users
Now I'm a little curious as to where you
got that what that figure
from yeah, so my 300 million is
extrapolated with like
a monthly growth rate of
Just 0.1 percent of steam and the last
verified numbers that we got from steam
user base was in 2022
October 2022 and that is one point
190 million monthly active users on steam
And so I've extrapolated like a
like a 1% growth rate
Which might be too much. I don't I don't
know but that's like my guess
It seems a bit much like the steam deck
numbers not saying that
the sea Nick is nice success
Yeah, well, I do know
that like I've heard from
Anonymous sources that like a year ago or
two years ago. They had
sold about 5 million units
Yeah, yeah
Now is very tight-lipped about this
stuff. I really wish that would be less
but according to these numbers
it's like over 4
million this year, but like
Sold period. Oh, really 2 million units
are not being steamed deck. Once again,
these are probably
very conservative numbers
I would be shocked if it wasn't more more
into the 6 or 7 million
million for steam deck
I just wish valve would
be more upfront on that
But valve definitely owns the market.
Yeah, I wonder where they're getting
crazy because that seems
Dude, my source is fairly reliable
so
Yeah, I would think 5 million at a
minimum. Yeah, I think 10
million might be too many
Oh wait, I typed in some numbers wrong
here. That's my
fault. Just two extra zeros
Hold on
No under like he typed to two extra
Wait what I
Don't know never so
Absolute steam like last month my
absolute number of steam deck units was
4.3 million and now it's 10 million
so I typed in a number
wrong somewhere here, but
Suffice it to say I think
it's around 5 million still
According to mine that
sounds about right to be fair
Yeah, maybe my I
don't know I dude I had I
Suffered some what I think is brain
damage and I can't like do
any numbers in my head anymore
Like not even a little bit. Oh shit. Was
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That's an inside joke,
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You you you posted in your blog didn't
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Right on the after show
not on the proper show though
You know what I
wouldn't buy but I did buy oh
The Xbox Ally
Where's your
RG Xbox Ally X
Right here I cannot show you all the
games I have on it because they're all
adult oriented, but I'm just kidding
All that anime right they're all anime
So I see you're not
using the Xbox interface
Good rather the steam interface so
You've played what around with the Xbox
interface, right? I have yeah, I have I
did reinstall Windows on my
Actually, I'm a normal
Ally X so I can try it out
It is kind of cumbersome though without
an Xbox button though socks
So here's like the ray. I don't even have
the home screen. I don't even know how to
get to the home screen
I clicked home
to get to my home screen and
like there's
I'm sorry, but as a as a developer, I
really really hate Xbox's UI
It's better than going into Windows mode,
but not much better.
It does save you like
resources, but
It is not designed
Forehand like if you want to see good UX
for like handhelds. I think the steam OS
the game mode
Is the best and then the
second best is big picture mode?
Even though they're about the same. I
think they tweak it a little bit more for
the steam deck. I feel like but
the steam game mode on
steam OS has like an actual like
Compositor that's sitting over top of
steam and so it's able to like intercept
like Windows draw calls and stuff
Which means that the games
don't have control over their?
video output settings
Steam is dictating those things
So that's what that's one of the main
reasons why it's so effective is because
like it won't ever steal
focus and all the other
Things do all the other ways that Windows
gets in the way of
playing a game with a handheld
So James, it sounds like you're not too
big on you're not too
keen on this ROG ally X
But you can I mean I spent a thousand
dollars and I got the you know, the
plastic or the the paper
cardboard stand
value added
Just value added and it comes in a cubby
to where like it feels like
They were I don't know I here's my
biggest take on this and
I bought it partially because I wanted
the experience of buying it and just I
Knew kind of what I was getting into
because the screen size of
seven inches. It hasn't changed
Every other new device
besides the Allies have been
Slightly larger or larger than seven
inches and I think it's because it's just
a you kind of need to go
that route in my opinion
I think the seven inches the 16 by 9
ratio is just too small
compared to like the steam deck
Well, even when I go to a steam deck,
which is like seven point three on the
OLED that I have the 16 by 10 ratio
definitely bumps up the
more that's like
there's more on the screen and
They handle the UI better so I can read
the text. I don't need glasses
I've been checked everything about I can
read stuff and and pay attention to stuff
more on steam deck on these bigger
screens this screen
for a thousand dollar device
For a ten year or a two year old screen
because they've been adding
these in since the original
Allies is a spit in the face to all the
people that bought this in my opinion
Certainly sounds like it. Do you think
would have been as much of a spit in the
face had you bought the $600 version?
No, I would have been
honestly the $600 version like
Is not worth it in my opinion
even though I think Linus kind of said it
was a little bit over the steam deck
maybe but once again, um
With the steam deck you're gonna get a
little less performance, but you're gonna
get an OLED for that price. So yes, I
I just it's kind of crazy that we're at
this point and we can't have
better
devices for just a little bit more than
the steam deck a thousand dollars really
especially from Xbox is I
Was really hoping and I knew what I was
getting into exactly
I've seen the specs before I bought it,
but I told myself I could always read
review it a little bit return it and
Which will most likely I'm gonna return
it or sell it. I mean I did upgrade the
internal so I probably sell it
For someone that wants an upgraded Xbox
Just give them that chance. I won't I
won't know price I get much just
enough to pay for this shipping but
Can I ask a question about yes, go for so
so, you know, if you're has the battery
life, I guess is my question
Funny enough. It's still windows
underneath. So it sucks
They do not do
power management well at all
Hmm. So my question is like do you think
it would be like that would be like
deciding factor if
someone was trying to decide
between the OLED steam deck versus the
The $600 version. Um
No, I don't think so but it could be like
that like power wise you're if you manage
it well, you're gonna get better power
You're gonna get a longer battery in this
than the steam deck OLED,
but you have to manage it and
Yet the baby it and it's very much like
an like the previous
allies. You just got to do that
where this shines the Z
to extreme shines is at
17 TDP which is just too higher than the
than the steam deck and it beats the
steam deck hands down
It is a really good
mid
gaming handheld but
it also
You know if you pump that thing up all
the way to I think it's like
35 37 or something like that
TDP it drains that battery so fast that
like there's no almost no
point having an 80 watt battery
that being said
The ergonomics on our amazing
This thing is the best
handheld I've ever held by far
It is definitely
better than the steam decks
but it's not
Enough to warrant the price like I'm not
gonna spend an extra four or five hundred
dollars to just get a little bit better
Handle like I've been fine with the steam
deck up to this point
The controls some of the other stuff does
feel a little better little boat. I do
like the ally though
I like the allies
controllers like the controller that is
this the joysticks and
everything else I like it, but
I
Just it's not worth like there's nothing
that's a part of this device that says
this is worth a thousand dollars or
Even a hundred
dollars more than the Ally X
Here's so here's my question though
Have you considered
installing bathite on it?
No, because the Fox just did
And there's a little
Twitter place from him on that
Yeah, there's another youtuber called
cyber dopamine who actually did that on
there on his ROG Xbox Ally X
they get about a 5 to 10 percent increase
in performance over Windows on it when
you do bad site or a
legacy boss equivalent and
which is nice and all and I
I
But that wasn't what I like I bought a
thousand dollar device it
plays most the games fine
I don't like the screen size and I knew
that I was going to be disappointed going
into this a little bit because the screen
Size but I had hoping my
guess. I don't know why I
Just for how big the chassis is and
everything about this device. They can
fit an 8-inch screen in here
like this is a shout out at Xbox that
They really don't give a fuck about
gamers anymore. Yeah, and this is the
device that broke me on this is because
Everything about the
devices it feels great
But that screen man it looks fine it just
it's not big enough for what you're
getting what you're paying
That's my biggest gripe
Well, I'm just gonna say like James this
is coming from a place
You and I are both Xbox fans, right?
Yeah, like we I love the
original Xbox. I love the 360
But like the 360 but this is like it
seems like just like as you said it's
been the face to gamers like
It's clear that Microsoft does not care
at all about gamers anymore
They're I don't know what they're
thinking it up there
in Redmond, Washington
But they are definitely
need to do some more user based
You know like surveys
and stuff like that because
They have these okay just to paint you a
picture switch to have a zest screens
it's
Almost eight inches. It's seven point
nine inches. I think the switch to
If like the original
one was six point five
Like size matters to me
guys. I'm sorry. I'm a size
But no
if I'm gonna sit here and stare and I
play my steam deck a lot and
But here's the flip side
the RG ally or not the RJ the
Legion go to the 8.8 inch screen
Honestly is a little too big for me. I
know this sounds weird
But like the eight and I feel like eight
inches is like the perfect
size for
Especially if you can go more bezel us,
but that's my biggest kicker with this
they add that and then
secondary is the software Windows
Yeah
Windows is just a garbage fire and they
just painted over it with their
experience that being said
I'd prefer them to do
this than to wait like I
I'm fine with it being half baked as long
as I don't have to get
into Windows 11 itself
So what you're saying is
we shouldn't expect to see a
impromptu Legion go to
review from you anytime soon
Maybe because what I'm gonna be doing is
I'm going to either return or sell this
device. I'm gonna do a
little bit more on it
but and
Then partially because I just like I'm
sitting here. I'm
like, oh man. I spent like
$1,200 on this thing total on technically
1,300 of tax and everything's like I I
put a 4 terabyte drive in it
Love the size. It's fast and everything.
I love how easy it was to put it in
but
at the
End of the day is this I thought I could
really stomach the seven inch screen and
I just couldn't that that's a little on
me
just having hope him but
Yeah, I would not recommend
Anyone get this device unless they don't
unless they are completely fine with
paying a thousand
dollars for a seven inch
two or three year old screen I
Don't know. I'm going really
hard into this. It's just I
It's just everything so small and I'm so
used to the steam
deck. That's why I think
The steam deck OLED is seven point four
inches, but that point four inch inches
makes all the difference
It does and the UI for
navigating is better tailored for
handheld like the up the upscale are like
The font sizes are are upped a little bit
more and stuff like that where with this
handheld. It's just not
It it feels very
It just feels very
Not complete and it could have been and
The the steam big picture mode is on
valve themselves. They could do a little
bit more to detect what device it's on
it's not hard to do some of
that and to say hey, let's just
upscale that the
the UI a little bit or maybe introduce a
little bit better handheld UI but
Heck I mean that's the least your worries
steam UI for that is still better than
the Xbox one the Xbox one
For Windows 11 is already like it's
Okay, it's not bad, but you then you
throw it into here, and there's a lot of
white space to where
Then white space is okay in UI design
when you have bigger screens when you get
the smaller screens
that space really matters
and it's better to
Make things feel like they're a little
bigger and you can read them better than
anything else for
accessibility and all that like if you
Have glasses or if you have eyesight
problems. I highly
recommend not getting this device
Mmm personally I don't know
Have you guys I mean you guys like the
original steam deck
was a seven inch screen
But it was a 16 by 9 so our 10 so it
showcased a little bit more
Yeah
The Christmas so this is a 1080 screen
the crispness is nice
With that 1080 and I this is
my opinion like I think 8 inch
With a 1200p screen which so like 16 by
10 is like the sweet spot
That's what I'd love to see every device
hit because I think it's perfect
Anything bigger then it gets really
clunky, and you just you
have a tablet at that point
But they could have easily for the size
of this device fit an eight inch screen.
This is my rantings kind of over
Yeah
It is interesting to see like did you
guys know that this got the like we might
have talked about this like last week
But that this got the
innovation of the year award from
time anic magazine, I think
What time magazine? I
think it was let's see
I mean that's like one
That's like how you know the Kinect
earned the fastest selling
consumer tech product ever
Award like Microsoft just bought that
shit like it. It's not real
best invention
Best invention oh my god,
dude. I'm sure there are much more
impactful
Conventions and a fucking
hand to come from Microsoft
literally, this is Microsoft doing the
zoom again like the zoom was a
pre-existing handheld that Microsoft just
kind of it was a pre-existing mp3 player
from I don't remember who but
Some other company, and then they just
kind of changed a
little bit of how it looked
On the outside and added their own UI and
then pooped it out. This is the same
thing man like I literally this is not
The only way that time magazine awarded
them this prize or whatever is by
Microsoft paying for it
interesting yeah, it's
It's so great
So I guess it's like multiple inventions,
but still having this in there
It was the only thing that's really
different about this device is that the
controller is is the most comfortable
It's the most comfortable you'll get
but
your eyesight
Suffers like it's nice that your your
hands feel good, but
your eyes don't it does
From my understanding they tilted it so
when you hold the controller
It the device itself is tilted a little
so it helps with viewing angles
But which I think that's a little
innovative beyond that it is an ally X
Not an Xbox ally X
That much better than the ally X though
no I have an ally X so that's why it's
the same I have an owl
I have I don't have an ally X of I have
an ally and one of the things I wanted to
get this for us because
Us before so I can do a bunch of other
content, but I just can't stomach
spending a thousand
dollars on this device
I'd rather just go and get
Another device for $600 and
then spend that extra $400
on like a case and
some other stuff and like
EGPU enclosure so I can put my 39 and do
some more testing like it's just I
couldn't stomach it once I once I got
It once I started playing with it, and I
realized how much it was I just can't
stomach that cost damn
For something that is really not that new
and it's a little shameful that
Xbox and Asus couldn't just call it and
and
Just call it an Xbox handheld or
something something
different than Xbox alley X
It's very much a shame
of what this is so damn
I'm a little harsh, but
really in reality like
If you're fine with that seven inch
screen, this is gonna be one of the best
devices you can get
because it will play everything
But
the price of course
Yeah, well some people don't care about
price. It's
definitely like a well's dream
I would say if you don't
mind you know if you have
if you're nearsighted,
I guess I don't know but
it is
It's just I just
besides the besides the comfortable hand
like you know grip on it and
But it doesn't have that huge of a leap
over the regular Ally X
Why like what would the
point of buying this be?
So like I said mid-level
gaming so if you're like mid
TDP level level like so 15 17 17 TDP like
that's what you said the preset to
Is why I think a lot of people would like
it if you don't if you want
that battery to last longer
you can get like six seven hours of
gaming with that thing at the 17 TDP and
to be fair Witcher 3 plays really good on
the 17 like on the on the on the
Mixed mode it runs really well and
There's actually a lot of
games that run much better on that
17 TDP than the Ally and Ally X the
originals with the Z1 extreme, so
if a
Having a lot of battery on the go and
playing a lot of your games that are like
five to ten years old is
Appealing to you this might still be
really worth it for some people
I'm just so used to the
steam deck experience and
That the little things really caught up
to me over the yesterday
as I was testing it out
but like
The only game that had some struggles
playing was Silent Hill 2 and I probably
could have tweaked it to make it so it
It ran fine
Stellar blade also did not run well on
it. I was kind of
shocked even at the highest TDP
I feel like you really you can balance it
out to look just the
same on this team deck. So
with the lossless and FSR for
Mods that you can get for the steam deck
You can almost get it to look similar and
run similar to this device. This device
will still edge out in
What you can do with it though and the
frame rate you just you're not gonna have
that input lag and everything so
Yeah
Like I was shocked at some games at how
well they ran on this
but that was at 37 TDP, so I
Cyberpunk still
doesn't run that well on it
Cyberpunk needs to optimize their games
and more the CD Projekt RED that is so
Yeah, I'm so mixed on it
guys like it is a good device it
Is not a device for me and I don't think
it's the right device that Xbox should
have made like I will definitely say
They royally fucked up by
not having it be cheaper
If they were gonna spec it this way now
if they wanted to throw
in an eight inch screen
It's OLED for a thousand
dollars then I would be keeping it
but I
Just can't I can't you know
It's just like any other device out there
and all the devices are starting to go
down in price a lot for used and all
That like just get yourself a used one is
what I recommend people
And honestly, I think there's gonna be
there's oh there's a lot of
people on eBay selling this
I think there's a lot of
people that are a lot of
Scalpers and I don't think people are
buying it. So it's kind of funny
because they're
They're up caught they the up the up
charge is crazy. It's like fifteen two
thousand dollars which
$2,000 you may as well just
buy that one GPD device. I
Know well, this is
How what's the screen size on that thing?
That's a good question. Let's let me find
out. I think those
wind are like seven inches
I'm sorry. I just seven inches. In fact,
they might be the same
screen as the alex itself
Demonstrating I think
there's a better device
It might not be as performant, but it's a
better device. It's
just gonna feel better
Then you can put bad side on it like it's
not like it's the end of the world
You can just put bad side on this thing
and honestly, there's a lot of pluses to
doing that unless
you're wanting to do online
gaming a lot of pluses
I do want to go over
these reviews a little bit
They're kind of funny like IGN gave it a
nine out of ten the Xbox full-screen
experience alone would
probably be enough for me
to recommend an Asus ROG ally Xbox ally X
to
Anyone looking for a
new handheld gaming PC
But the fact that it's so comfortable to
use and perform so well
is just icing on the cake
All it really needs now is a couple of
software updates to really refine the
full screen experience
And it will be a
device for the history books
I don't think it's gonna be a
device for the history books
I do agree like steam even was like the
steam deck people forget
when steam deck was released
There was a lot of stuff that they needed
to refine and took them a year or two to
refine it really well
But they were also it was a revolutionary
device in my opinion compared to this
when it came out it was
it really pushed a lot of
I think innovation levels like if you
want to talk about an
innovative device steam deck is
even though there was other devices
before it steam deck was managed to be
able to make it affordable and
To make it feel truly like a console
Like experience for a PC
gamer on the go where this
Everything just doesn't feel quite right
except for the controller
But it's IGN man, I still read their
stuff but and it's always funny when they
review stuff but a 9
out of 10 definitely not
Yeah
It's interesting too where it's like, you
know, the the big outlets
Give it good scores and then like the
radio times is not so generous and it's
like you wonder why the big outlets are
Giving them good reviews
It's it's hard because I
Like the big outlets are typically legs
oftentimes paid for and
stuff like that, right or
Emily's incentivized
to go a certain route. I
Just have such a hard time because I
Just don't know who
this device truly is for
They don't even give you like the best
Subscription level for so when you buy
this you get you get three
months free of the game pass
But it's the mid-level tier
not the higher tier. And so
You can't even play like
the new Call of Duty stuff
I was trying to excite I
Counseled my last one and I and I just
started the trial for this one because
they gave me the trial
I figured I'd try it out and
The amount of stuff I wasn't able to
download was yeah, they really did nerf
it for anyone that doesn't have a premium
subscription
so I
Don't know. I don't know
where Xbox is going with all this
They still have a chance to pivot. I
think and like if they made it a new
Xbox handheld I definitely
think it could be better like I
just I
Don't know I
Think a lot of this power and a lot of
this device is heavily
hindered by that screen
It's just the screen itself the quality
is not that bad like I'm
not like an OLED like die-hard
What has its own issues? I'm just
Um
You can like you can look at the internal
if you open this thing up it is
Empty there's so much empty space in it
It's crazy
They must have like tossed a bunch of
stuff out because it is not much heavier
than my ally when I hold them
Honestly, it feels a little
lighter for some weird reason
Even though I know it's heavier than my
ally and my ally has a is the original
ally extra with the Z1 extreme and
It
They could have definitely fit in a
bigger screen this was
cost-cutting at its best but
They didn't give you they didn't pass
down they just wanted to make money
I don't know what it is. It's so bizarre
what Xbox and Microsoft is doing
With their brand because they have the
money they have the the connections they
have everything to make this
Not as expensive and
they're not doing that
Well, this is this to them is just
licensing the brand they don't care
Yeah, like it's very clear that Microsoft
does not care about Xbox as a brand
Yeah
It's unfortunate that
It's unfortunate. They have some game
studios, which is great and all but the
brand Xbox doesn't mean anything to me
The studios are what I care about and as
long as they're
releasing those studios for PC
What's the point of getting an act
anything Xbox at this point?
And I like yeah, there's Xbox dead at
this point. You guys think though
It's a zombie at the very least. I
Definitely think it is on its way out
but I
Wondering if they're going to be doing
like a Phoenix thing. Maybe they have
like a concept in like two years to
Resurrect the whole thing. We'll see
It really does depend
On what they do and I just don't know
they still have a die-hard
Follower base, but I think that's slowly
dying. I don't think
they're doing anything for them
The thing is if Microsoft wanted to like
rise from the ashes, right?
They would have to have a first-party
Handheld Xbox that like and that's their
console in the next
generation and that's what they
You know and and then they have a they
also have to have a bunch of first-party
AAA games that kick ass and
That is like first of all if that is
their strategy if
that's what they want to do
They've blown their wad and on this like,
you know, the the Ally X stop Xbox
Alex right the people aren't gonna take
them seriously now and then be confused.
It's gonna be confused. Yeah, exactly
And there's also like everything's an
Xbox which also is muddying the waters
And then Microsoft just has proven that
they don't have the the patience to
To like invest time and resources into
studios that produce good quality games.
So I just don't see how
You know
Microsoft's going to achieve what I think
would be their only real
play for the next gen. I
Don't either. I mean I do like that.
They're playing with other people nicely
I just they need to be more
directional and be a little bit more of a
leader with the Xbox brand like
It is nice that I was able to easily like
this actually came
pre-installed with steam
That was nice, I mean, yeah, but a lot of
these brands they get really like
anything that's not their brand
They try to make it difficult so you
can't access there those other ones those
other launchers and stuff
It comes pre-installed steam with epic
games it that is a nicety. I will say
That being said
It's a little confusing for switching
between all of them and
for like a console gamer
This is gonna be very confusing for an
Xbox person. Like if you're coming from
an Xbox device to this
you're gonna be super confused
but
it is
I
Mean here's here's a here's a great take.
I'm glad it's not an Xbox
In the traditional sense. I don't want to
play Xbox only games on this device. I
want to play PC games on it
So there's my take I know a lot of people
like well this should this should be able
to play anything that's Xbox I
Don't want everything that's on Xbox is
on PC and cheaper. So yeah
It's not gonna be balanced as well for
performance, but they're they are
Microsoft is coming out with some new
branding and some new stuff that's
similar to what valve does with its
Verified program and so they'll have a
verified program on on X on this handheld
and with their windows
It's probably all up with their Xbox
software. Honestly, so
yeah, but can Microsoft
create like I just don't have the
confidence in Microsoft
that they'd be able to create a
Verified program that's less confusing
than what valve already did like the
verify program kind of sucks anyway on
the steam deck and it's like
Microsoft is like going to workshop it or
not workshop it but like
What's the term when you put it in front
of a bunch of people
focus group it to death?
Yeah, and it's gonna be just the like the
most watered-down muddled
Like just I just don't have confidence
that Microsoft can
execute anything anymore
Yeah, I think it just comes down to they
just need to stick by their guns
They need to make things simple Xboxes
and PlayStation are brands of
simplicity for console gamers
If you kind of go away from that, what do
you have? I don't know. So I
Don't know if there's anything else that
you guys want to know
about it. It is it is a very
Sad that it is a good device that is
greatly hindered and just really is not
as like you have better choices out there
unless this is your main
gaming device, I guess then I
guess hook it up to a TV or
do some extra stuff to it, but
The weaknesses for a
thousand dollars are just too
Prevalent so
Anything else you guys want to talk about
this or should we move
on to the next topic?
I think it's time to
move on to the next topic
more news about
Microsoft stuff
What is this?
High tech insider says halo studios has
Genitive AI woven into every aspect of
its future game development from core
workflows to world building and enemy AI
It's exactly what it says on the 10th
AI is everywhere in halo studios
Formally not a three for three
industries. Yeah, what a
time to brag about that tear
So this is of course from an insider so
we haven't verified
their claims just yet but
If the rumors are to be believed
Allegedly Microsoft has 343 using AI in
literally every aspect of the game
Now there's no telling if they're gonna
use AI for the art too because I think
that's where it kind
of steps over the line
Like I'm sure most people so I'm sure
most people don't care too much about AI
generated code as long as
it's cleaned up afterwards
Honestly, it's honestly if
it's if you're doing micro
Increments like if you're giving little
prompts for a little small stuff
It's gonna do a pretty
good job of code development
It's when you say I want to I want you to
build this thing and be very vague and
it's gonna be vague in its code
So it's all about the
process and how you use it
Also, let me just say one thing I I
actually do have an issue with Microsoft
with with code generated by
especially open AI because
it is while while many of
Probably most of its
training data comes from open source
Code that the license of open source code
And and the license of open source code
usually doesn't prohibit that it is very
scummy that Microsoft
Is so in bed with open
AI and the fact that?
They also own
GitHub and so it just seems really scummy
that they use this without
permission from the developers
But that's just me it's it's so difficult
for me because as a worker a day laborer
I have to when I work for software
companies and stuff like they really are
pushing for engineers
to use AI more and more
So like on that side, I
have to do it at times
Or else, you know could risk certain
things that don't end well like layoffs
I'm really curious what how the internals
on this look to how much they're being
forced to use it incorporated
Sometimes it's just nice to have some of
like the boilerplate stuff taken care of
But yeah from like a high level
Microsoft they're just like these
companies are worth so much and
It just feels like there's a bleeding
more and more of the industries dry when
they could easily fund their own
generative AI and and it's
Training and everything and they I think
they actually have been funding like
Training a lot of their
games on it, but beyond that
I don't know how ethical it is if they're
training a bunch of other open
Open source stuff or the
game development side of things
It's hard to know without knowing for
certain if they even do this because this
is just an insider saying it no
They're Microsoft we I think we've
covered a while ago article on them
Using generative AI with game
development, especially
they are using this for sure
Now the differences like with this
insiders like they give more details
Who knows like this is on a specific game
But we do know that they're training all
their games that they own and maybe
that's another reason
why they bought up all the
Studios is so that they could train all
the different games
that every like Blizzard
Bethesda have to create better to better
generative AI and build more games and so
Yes, so why no we do like trash-talking
Microsoft like we did
for like the past hours
So
Sony is also leaning to these to the
article also mentions so
these new dark outlaw games
They listed a job requiring hands-on
experience with AI art tools like
mid-journey stable
diffusion chat GBT itself
You know how it is. It's it's so hard
because like as an indie
developer like I don't mind
Especially if you're doing like an early
concept thing if you can't afford
to
Buy like to pay someone to build your
assets and stuff like that to use some
help, but it's not like they're I
don't know ethical tools, but
You definitely I'm a hugely against this
for the big companies
the big question though is
Will there ever be a time
where AI can be ethical?
Mmm, it's gonna be it's gonna be one of
those things in like 10 20 years where
it's just it's gonna be so
integrated and everything that
Just like how you know
People don't want to hear this but
country like our country a lot of
countries are built on
the bones of others like
That's just how it is
The only thing you can do is reparations
and do some other
stuff and work through that
What's this gonna look like? I don't
know, but it's kind of built on the bones
of previous creatives
and so not sure how
Yeah ethics are gonna roll with that
L. O. M's and other
Generative AI has to like use pirated
content stolen content
It has to violate copyright
Because you need so much data that you
cannot ethically
source or pay for that data
and
Even even stuff like meta which is just
training. Well, actually now I was gonna
say it's just training
on stuff from Facebook
But that's not true because like they get
is the worst of them all
that is. Yeah, you're the worst
They are they they get caught like
pirating tens of millions of
Ebooks so that they can train their shit.
So I don't think that AI
will ever be ethically trained
But like James was
saying it's just going to
Be like and they know this
right they know that that
People will just forget about it because
most people don't worry
about the ethics of things
They don't understand and most people
don't understand how llms are trained.
They don't understand any of this stuff
And so they think you know open AI thinks
they can get away with
it and others by using
LLM's which I do use
in my black hat hacker
You're a
No, it's it's it's hard to say like
exactly where things are gonna go and how
like because personally
The right thing to do would be to
completely just
may force
Open AI to open source everything
Like hey, you stole all the stuff and for
reparations you just you have to open
source the whole thing
Um and give it back to everyone so that
everyone has it like has it
and but here's my question
Why is it called open AI? It makes it
sound like it's supposed to be yeah
It makes it sound like it was supposed to
be an open source
project at some point it was
Well, this so they can do it was it was
open source and went closed source like a
like couple years ago
It's the same. It's the same reason that
They they designed their LLMs to be a
chatbot and not just a
chatbot but to feel like you're
Chatting with another person right like
the whole point is deception.
They named it open AI because
Heath what's the Sam Altman thought that
would be the best way to like get his
foot in the door and be disruptive
Like he's just a truly bad person
There is a hypocrites like they get the
money they get everything going it's just
You know Sam, I'm sorry more
like data than the Zuck does
Don't know about that man Zuckerberg
looks like he's like a
Freakin robotic lizard man. I don't know.
I always call him Zucker Borg because I
think he looks more like a Borg a
borga
Use that term now just
Like a clinker cheese, so
We should honestly we should move our
topic our next top our topic to be the
one in high five high schoolers
Admit to dating AI and the rise of Ficto
sexual sexuality. Yeah, it's
Because it's a good time
It is a good day. Well, well, if you're a
high schooler might not be
There's no way this is gonna end
Well, so for those who don't know
One in five high schoolers
have admitted to dating AI
Now you might be asking yourself. What
does that mean? Well, it's exactly what
it's on 10. They are in
a romantic relationship
with AI and
I'll stick a film she designed to
Give you good vibes and nothing else that
gives you that shot of dopamine that you
would get from a normal human being
You'd probably be dating
if you weren't dating an AI
I
This is so sad to me
Yeah, and and let me just say this isn't
sad because there are
teenagers who are dating a eyes. I
Think that this is sad because this is
the product functioning exactly as it's
intended to function
this is the like the
these kids are
victims of this product and this is
psychological violence being enacted
against our teenagers and
others anyone who these kids are
vulnerable and there are
volts adults who are just as
vulnerable to this kind of psychological
attack and I like I truly believe that
like this use of AI is
Let me scroll back let me
go back just a little bit
Facebook was the colonization like the
corporate colonization of
social
of like human social proclivity and
This right here is the next step in the
corporate colonization of
Human interaction and these kids are
victims anyone who's
dating an AI is a victim
So empathy from me
Here's my thing though
Is it really ethical for teenagers to be
dating a eyes because you know, I get it
That's very different from say teenage
dating an adult like
they shouldn't be doing
But at the same time though if an AI is
just an average of like every like a lot
of adults like coming together
Contributing quote-unquote contributing
content then an AI is basing a different
like an adult. That's
grooming you, right?
That that is an interesting perspective
Yeah, is grooming our youth that's a
really good title actually. Yeah. Well,
um, here's the other
the flip side of that is
The AI is a product, right?
And therefore these kids are not dating
an AI they're dating a corporation
and
If corporations are people and some of
them are hundreds of years old and some
of them are very very
young like, you know
Three or four years
old that seems weird, too
So what you're saying?
Properations aren't people but like they
shouldn't be legally
they're considered people
I would see them more as like the pimp in
this in this scenario
That can that would mean that the AI are
independent agents, which
I don't think that they are
AI is
This is really bizarre and how the like
most models build out and everything
especially of specific chats and all that
They can definitely take different paths
They're they're not
Lin linear they can
definitely branch out differently
so yeah each person can build out their
AI just a little differently to
Adhere to making them more of a sociopath
or like a frickin at least like it's
gonna cause some major mental issues
I think in the in the near future the 20s
and 30 year olds. They're gonna be coming
out in 10 years are gonna be
Heavily mentally unstable because these
bots will only say yes, and they'll only
placate to what they want
There's my question is I don't I don't
see much if any distinguishable
like tangible difference between
like a chatbot
versus the
The autofill for your you know the
predictive text on
your keyboard, right like
That's they're literally the same
technology, and it's just tweaked
slightly and one has more
GPU horsepower behind it
And so if someone was dating the
predictive text on their keyboard
They would basically be dating Google and
that might be a reductive argument
But I think that it kind of illustrates
my point of view well
the difference is that
Predictive text hasn't told
anyone to kill themselves yet
Hasn't yeah
No, I don't not really
And AI chats are very different and as
someone that is data. I mean sorry
Talk to plenty of AI stuff
We did it on Street like on you know I
Rizzed up some you know
Okay, well we don't have to say his name,
but yeah, okay, I don't
have to add them like that but
It is definitely you there
if it was predictive text
It would be very difficult for these
teenagers to get hooked on it, but it's
because it's so responsive and so dynamic
to an extent that they
They feel have some
fulfillment in a social aspect
And that's what's so dangerous about it
is that once they get into real life or
to it into like a real relationship
They're gonna realize no both sides have
needs not just one side
I guess my my
Some my comparison there is that like
it's the same technology,
but it's used differently
But the but the fact is it's trees these
companies are exploiting
Like our need for validation especially
when we're young and vulnerable as
teenagers, and they're exploiting that
and whether it's like
Consciously intentional on the part of
the executives to like get
kids addicted through romantic
Relationships or conversations. I mean
that I think grooming is the right word
And you know I I don't
know it just seems so
Absolutely disgusting to me, and I feel
bad for these kids and anyone who dates
an AI because it's like it
You're not dating a person. It's a
product. This is they're not they're not
real, dude. They're there
It needs to be age-gated for sure
We and unfortunately
not to get into politics
We're not in the bonus episode this might
have been a good bonus episode topic
but I think the administration is just
not focused on stuff like
this where this needs to be
Better regulated and
age-gated. I know that
Open AI is potentially
gonna age gate this a little bit
But I don't know if it's because if
they're gonna actually a age gate
Or add a new feature because they
announced that they're
going to allow a lot more
Spicy adult stuff to be done on open AI
I think generating images and also the
chat oriented stuff like kind of like
probably grok oriented because they want
to compete with grok
And so you're gonna have to input your ID
or something along
those lines into open AI
To unlock further access to the stuff for
I think adults, but yeah
That's a whole other topic.
We didn't have in here, but
Yeah
Here's another thing too
Is that with romance comes?
uncomfortable topics and
Chat GPT sometimes part some people
really do use these
like chat bots to like
ERP so to speak
Is that not a terrible thing to think of
a terrifying thing to think about
ERP
Aeronical playing. Oh, yes. Yeah, I
Don't think I would have got that. I
don't know why I said it like that. I
didn't know what your pee was
Okay, but I mean yeah, and that's and
that's I think that's
another good point of
or like going into I
Want to know exactly what they're asking
like are you in a relationship or is this
just like a fling or something?
Is this something they're just kind of
just having fun with or is it something
they're like exclusively just?
Really like they treat this like a true
relationship and true
going out on dates and stuff. I
Bet you it's blurred more than we realize
I'd hope so
I really got some hope
I really can't imagine
Anyone unironically going for it, but you
know I could be wrong and I
even I might even be wrong
But who knows?
Yeah, this is a very depressing topic
You know this reminds me of back when?
That one Japanese guy
married Hatsune Miku
not legally though because
The company that owns
Hatsune Miku didn't approve it
It's I don't know I feel like that almost
makes it worse in some way
So weird what dating Hatsune Miku? No
the company not approving
That we don't approve
of this it's like okay
Well you know Mickey you know you know
Disney would never approve anyone
marrying Mickey Mouse
unless it's Minnie Mouse I mean I
Why even have a say it just
ignore it that's why I'm cuts
Well they didn't
Say anything they didn't say anything so
it's not like an authorized marriage
I thought they came I was like we do not
approve this Union shit
She's mine
Yeah, so basically I mean it's what it is
you're not dating a real person
I don't know if there's a teenager's
watching this I really got it
But if you're dating an AI
Just remember it's not a real person
If you don't appreciate some giggles
I don't really care, but if you actually
need this for like emotional support
Then it's not it's not the way. I'm not a
psychologist. I'm not therapist hights.
They're not gonna not
Yeah
They're not gonna let you
Integrate this into a
robot in the future so
Eventually you will like
it will run out of memory
There's documents or that like YouTube
videos you can watch on this like some
person like ran out of memory for their
AI that they were dating and he lost
everything had to start over again like
and he was devastated it's oh
Honestly dating a new person
It's like yeah, I guess like oh, I'm
married to my wife for like three years
in her memory ran out
Oh, it's different person this time. It's
51st dates, but with an AI meets her
But
I do not like that
Dude I should write that as a movie and
make it or like it even just a sketch
That'd be funny
Do it I I just I
Just I'm very grateful
that I grew up in the 90s
When internet when like there was like
cool shit on the internet
and now it's just all garbage
You have to filter through
there's still a lot of cool shit
It's just the the algorithms are going
after you so you know
you have to dodge those
Yeah, I mean that's why
the feta verse is so cool
Like that's probably why the feta verse
will I hate to say this button might not
ever fully pick up because it doesn't use
The dark patterns and people are simple
especially right now especially right now
you can definitely tell people are
Not doing their deal diligence on
education. Well, it's an
it is an education problem
And yeah right now it's failing because
it's not ingrained in
our culture to be educated
And especially here in
the States, but maybe
Yeah, I'm sorry you cannot do self you
can't just go out and
do your own research
Unless you go in and actually became
become like you know
Educated to become a researcher. Yeah,
don't unless you
unschool yourself like I did
No, I I don't I don't recommend the way I
was no I don't like I
Don't agree or disagree. I
think anyone could be educated
but I know I think people are educating
themselves on algorithms of
shock and value like Fox
News slob kind of stuff where I
Did my research I watched something that
has zero basis to it.
That's the type of stuff
I'm talking about you 100% do everything
that you I think you should do. Um
What taught us so Pokemon's
embarrassing like okay guys
so some cutscenes in Pokemon Z a
Are animated and their pace in such a way
that it's out and they animate the
characters mouths to
In such a way that it seems like they
were made for like dialogue, right?
Right, I have some examples linked to oh,
do you have some like yeah some Twitter.
Ah, here we go. Yeah, so
You can't you can't hear from here, but
If you watch the cutscene, you can see
like for example this
con this rock concert
He's on all the lyrics so bad and there's
music playing but there's no
like voice. There's no vocals
Wow, it's extremely egregious. I just
yeah, it's just music. It's
like a rock concert. It's it's
He's saying something we
just can't hear and saying
And then there's also the same situation
with random cutscenes there is that she's
talking her mouth is moving
It sounds like they're
trying to say something
But she just doesn't and you have to read
the subtitles. It's not even
like a JRPG like dialogue box
We're gonna miss it at your own pace
So I mean I'm okay with this type of
stuff if especially if you're indie, but
this is Pokemon come on
Okay, you will try voice actor
Is this is this like an example of they
just didn't record English dialogue and
there's Japanese dialogue
No, no, no dialogue at
all in any of the versions
Okay, I was wondering if they might have
like had Japanese dialogue and then just
removed it and didn't
record English dialogue
I think even so even so they're a big
company. They should be paying for actors
Yeah, if they wanted to keep the dialogue
Japanese they could have done that
I mean, I think a lot of people would
have been more accepting of it. I
Mean maybe like but like certainly not it
wouldn't have in they wouldn't have drawn
as much ire as this though
This is a kids game and as we just
learned kids don't know how
to read even in their teens
So I don't know what they're doing here
If kids don't know how to read how come
if teens have not a read happen. They're
interacting. How can
they date their AI bots?
Because they have a they have a voice
mode go try open AI's
voice mode. It is crazy good
I I have conversations with it just like
spitballing cuz I want
to spitball with someone
She knows fucking wait my dating in a
Hey nothing sexual this time
Dude
Maybe what they should have done with
Pokemon is got the
open AI to read out the
Frickin voice. Yeah, why are you opening?
I just use tiktok's like text-to-speech
like you know the voice. Oh, yeah
My my Pokemon won't obey me
I hate it so much
That's why I mentioned that one
specifically hate it yeah, I
honestly I'd rather just read it
But give me the choice I guess like if
they want to go that route
Go that route like I think if they didn't
want to do voice acting
They should have just made it like a
japan like a jrpg like dial-on box like
look the shot down below
the like dial-on there's
Text boxes that you can dismiss by
pressing a they should have just done
that if they didn't want
to fucking be voice acting
I think they planned for voice actors,
and I I have a feeling something went up
to where they were like
nope. We're not doing this
That's quite possible. I mean there's no
I mean I'm looking at the lips they seem
synced enough to the words that they
They probably should have been what I
find what I find strange
Especially is that these are like but
unless they're reusing these
Animations somewhere else like these seem
like bespoke and also they kind of feel
What's the word they're not hand animated
they're they're mo capped right like it
seems mo capped to me oh
There's another cussing that's playing
down there, too. It's just a pokemon
shooting out a giant laser
when it
Hold on clafair late
laser they hyper beam
Yeah, I'd be I'd run the hell away if
someone shot a hyper beam at me almost
I'm getting like serious backyard again
vibes from these animations
You're seeing that I'm not oh my god
It's like you know a very low D weird
this detective Pikachu game
That's being shown right now on the right
screen has voice acting. I
mean I can't hear it from there
But they're saying that it does
Can you hear Danny
voice acting James yeah
Yeah
So they can't afford voice actors
They just don't for some reason
And don't let them interfere
So he said dude he's controlling an army
of Beatles. That's
kind of scary am I alive?
Yeah
Dude look at that. He just shot directly
at a trainer you you can't do that shit
That's illegal he knew did dude or
Or muting neode that bullets ah
dude
Imagine me you know me too can do this. I
forgot he has a
reflect as one of his attacks
You can just like grab on to your beat
drill and like get away
For the audio listeners, it's just it's
like very much floaty
mocap feeling kind of animation
Yes
You know
If you want the full experience you might
have to watch this part on
YouTube at least yeah, yeah
Unfortunately, but it is I don't really
have any big issues with I'm not
Pokemon's not my thing
but I
Don't like these companies just cheaping
out though. They make millions and
millions off his just higher voice actor
Yeah
Animation seem fine enough. Yeah, I mean
the animation is fine
It's it could almost be pretty decent all
things considered how many
Honestly, it feels like the animations
are really good and
that should have voices
I think that's the biggest thing with it
is that the animations do
feel actually decent and
Even the lip limp it lip-syncing looks
like it should be
voiced. I think that's just
The only thing that really gets me if if
they had just gone with like
text boxes
That would probably been okay with it and
this probably would never
even been a topic to be honest
But yeah
I mean
it would be one thing if
there was like a simple like
animation of like a text box on the
screen that you have to click a to
dismiss and like the animation is like
Just the character kind of
flapping their mouth, you know
on repeat but like this
feels like it should have
voiceover
To Pokemon people
Get a better game to analyze half-life.
They'll always have
lip-syncing in that you just
Voices you just ostracized
like half of our audience
But if you like Pokemon, I know there's a
kind of like Pokemon
that has voice acting
Digimon
Do it no, I just I just don't feel like
poke it like the the
what's the Pokemon company?
the Pokemon company
You're talking game
freak game freak. I just
Don't think they actually care. I feel
like they just really is a cash cow
seriously now that I
think about it, though
I do remember reading there was a leak
there was a massive Pokemon leak that
happened again and one of them
Happened to be the budget that Pokemon
games gave which is like 3 million
per game apparently
Interesting. Yeah, so it seems like maybe
they ran out of budget
for voice actors. Hmm
That's what you
Step up and have a fan voice it I guess.
Oh, well, I mean they do
that with some dubbed enemies
Hmm
Like what Dragon Ball Z abridged
Dude, Dragon Ball Z abridged is not the
same but it is hilarious
That if you want a good time Gardner go
watch that. That's so good. Yeah
It's a little racy compared to in today's
world, but it's good. Have you seen the
original Dragon Ball Z though?
gardener
Yeah, yeah
Not like the only anime I've
ever like fully watched. Oh
That makes more sense
Yeah
But yeah
Do better game freak it seems like game
freak is doing better when they're not
making Pokemon games because when you
look at game freaks other
projects it looks
Let's just say a lot more interesting
like there was that one like super high
quality triple-a game
We kind of looked it was like frame rate
lagging during the trailer
But it looks like fucking good good
Aside from that like I think it was a
beast of reincarnation or
something like that. Yeah it
definitely different
style and the thing is
Hopefully they're not just like pulling
all their funding to make other games
like kind of screw over their fan base
But that's what it feels like
Did the game freak is embezzling put
their Pokemon funds to make it there like
actual passion project?
That'd be crazy if that were true
I mean, I'm okay with that type of
embezzling as opposed to what
a bunch of other businesses do
but
Yeah, it reminds me of how I'm uh, I
think it was gearbox embezzled the aliens
Like funding for aliens colonial Marines
to like putting the border lines to
Okay, you know what? I'm also for that
embezzling too because border lands 2 was
freaking awesome, so
That also they should have done that I
think it's still the best border lands
game really I mean it is
the best border lands game
It's got it all like it more than three
was better gameplay wise, but
it also had really bad writing
It was basically embodiment of like that
one 4chan green text
Where they describe how
gearbox games are written?
Have you seen the have
you guys seen that no no?
No, I got a little boy 4chan. Yeah, I got
a link at you guys. It's hilarious
Link it to us. All right, not the act.
I'm gonna find a picture of it
That way you don't have
to like go through 4chan
Here it's actually a really close on
fortune. It's actually a reddit post. Uh,
I'm gonna send it to you guys via
There we go
I can't stand the writing it feels like
it gets worse with every gearbox game
They can't go online and
without stuffing it full of ironic
Observation as their form of jokes like
they have an insecure 12 year old filter
for everything. I mean,
that's a writing style
That's what they like normal line if you
can get some fuel canisters then I can
Reactivate the main generator and get our
shields back up. I marked
the objective on your map
I'll be honest that horrible line though
to gearbox line. Hey buddy
Great job killing all those mutants and
all you're really good
at that shooting things
That is one problem. Oh though as it
turns out a bunch of monsters on the
planet are going to tear
Tear our eyes out if we don't get the
shield back up and
this is just my opinion
But that's gonna suck not having eyes
sounds terrible like this is just
claptrap. Yeah how I'm supposed to I mean
Do want me to finish reading this no
But you should have read it with like a
country twang because that's what Orleans
dialogue sounds like half the time
well half the
People in it are like
country bumpkins. So like yeah
Also, I love how high-tech you're like
I'll send you the link a screenshot
So you don't have to go through fortune
and you just set him a
fortune post of a screenshot
No, it's not this right. This is read it.
This is this is read it. Oh
Wow
Okay, I've never actually been on either
I haven't been on fortune
in ages so yeah, that's the
fortune
subreddit
Okay, great
It's a little better
Yeah, but I remember when I was like
first using fortune and then I discovered
read it and I was like wow
Right. It is like fortune before adults
Yeah, hey don't bad mouth read it I use
read it. Oh, I hate read it
I love read it, but I also have mine. I
have it very carefully. I've joined
Half-life and every any other hopium
communities and we
just sat there and hope
our slash steam day
I'm on creative
Conversations go to die. Yeah, the
moderators can go screw
themselves because you know
Everyone else can promote their stuff
But I tried to promote a project or
anything else and out of like hey
I'm trying to do any higher my team got
like overthrown basically
Yeah, well the OG one I guess then I
stopped using reddit
Like several years ago when like every
subreddit was like here are our rules and
in order for you to post
anything on our subreddit you have to
Make a post and then tag it with your
with specific flair and
then you have to go into
And then your post is gonna get like you
banned from the subreddit
So what you have to do is go in and
respond to the moderate the auto mod bots
Comment and say I'm a real person and
then your post will get un-banned
And then you also have to do this other
thing in order to get it posted. I'm
like, this is all fucking stupid, man
I can't stand read it
Welcome to the internet though, cuz if
you don't do that type of stuff the
amount of spam is also really high
It's just yeah, it's just no I don't I
mean I do all that stuff and I still I
Rarely can get any I don't post honestly,
but even when I do I feel like it's very
Yeah, I don't know I'm
not gonna get into this
God, I hate reddit and redditors
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Dictate being dictator
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Just interesting exercise thoughts
experiment for the
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I
Softened bind a little bit. Yeah
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